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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time time luck and load till Michael Arry
Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if
you had potted the audio down or not. I want
to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying
to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to simplify
for an audience and make this all make sense because
they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet.
He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what
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Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want
to give you an opportunity to clear up what I
may have misstated at the end of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So between March and twenty twenty two and when our
story came out May of twenty twenty three, they had
been continuing these hormone related interventions because in March twenty
twenty two, they had said they stopped. Unequivalently, they had
said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth.
May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it
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illegal to perform.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
These interventions, and then you know, I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Ten fifteen days after that.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Was when the seal of the hospital.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Said that they would shut down their program. So, you know,
because after that I had graduated from the program. You know,
according to them, they had shut down the program after that.
So I would take them for their word. And just
because I don't have any.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I couldn't say that they had continued.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
They had said they stopped. So you know, if they
said that, then you know, I don't have any information
that would counter that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours,
you're a young surgeon. It's a tough. You know, the
early part of a doctor's career is brutal, I mean legendary.
When you would see these children, I mean, did you
ever see a child that was being wheeled in to
have this gender reassignment, to have a sex change, or
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a child coming out of that. I got to think
that if you see something like that, it's like a
it's like being a war report. You never you never
get over that.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No, you know, I had never seen it, because if
I did, you know, it's it's something that you know,
I wouldn't just stand by and watch that happen.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But you know, I knew people.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Who did, and you know, they told me about it
after and you had expressed shock as to the nature
of what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, do you have any idea how many doctors were
performing this procedure?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think it was a small number.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Small number.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer,
but I'm going to ask it. How does a doctor
end up being in a position of butchering a child?
Is like, what's going through that person's mind? I mean,
we most people recognize that you don't let children start smoking,
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You don't let children vote, You don't let children get tattoos.
You don't let children consent to sex because they're not
capable of They've not reached the age of maturity. They
are miners, their brains are developing, and here is as
permanent a thing as you can possibly impose upon them.
How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you
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heard people answer this question?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know it's I believe it has to do with
this underlying ideology. Right, People they want to have meaning
in their life, but they don't want to make the
effort to do anything meaningful. Like they want to be righteous,
but they don't want to exert the effort to be virtuous,
you know, and what happens with this is that it's
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you know, a shortcut to meaning, so they can do
something and do something that that's not true and give
themselves that false sense of righteousness. But it's happening at
the cost of these children. And that's where you know,
there's this connection between this and all these other issues
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we're seeing in our society because you have these people
who are you praying at these ideological alters for whatever
phony caused, but they're doing so because they have no
meaning in their life and they're looking for it, but.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They're looking in all the wrong places.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And instead of you know, standing up to something powerful,
they're just you know, playing their role in this kabuki
theater that is, you know, this modern phenomenon of the
woke left.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm going to read from a line from one of
the articles about you. It says, I am continued to
hear stories from other residents, that's other young doctors like yourself,
and then came across a public quote Grand rounds end
quote presentation by top doctors at the hospital encouraging the
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use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. The lecture coached
primary care doctors how to funnel patients into the transgender
clinic where they could receive treatment. Tell me a little
bit about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, it's the important thing is the green round Nisher
is one of the most prestigious leisure theories given in
the hospital. And when you have the directors of the
program who are talking about integrating this algorithm into other
parts of the hospital and teaching doctors how to ask
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these questions behind the parents' backs, it's something.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's truly shocking, and because that's what they.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Were talking about, and you almost can't believe it's real.
But when you see what's your own eyes and you
understands happening at the hospital you work, yet you you couldn't.
I couldn't live with myself if you know I didn't
didn't do something about it?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I didn't And.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
What does that include? I mean in your mind, you're
certain you've done nothing wrong. You've said that in every
in every article I've seen written there, their claim is
that you have you have violated I guess, hippo, you
violated the What is their claim?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You know? Uh? I, I honestly wish I can answer
that question.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Because at this point. I have no idea, really no idea,
because that hasn't been something that's been communicated.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
If I were to guess, right, because I want to
answer your question, I would think it is something.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Along those lines. That's what I would think, because I
know that the reason they had pursue. My belief is
that the reason they pursued the aggressive investigations so quick
after the story came out is because we were so
successful in exposing what happens and it being voted to
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become illegal. Because when you have doctors and nurses who
are willing to speak out and tell the truth, then
all of these things, that these false, absurd practices that
they are pursuing will be questioned and it's all going
to crumble down. And in order for them to silence
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those doctors and nurses, they have to come after people
like me. But in this case, they just chose the
wrong target. But yeah, in my opinion, that's probably what
I would think. But even to that, what could they
possibly do. It's crazy. It's hard to believe that you
would have serious people who consider themselves part of the
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justice system do something like this because what we exposed
was voted to become illegal. Right, and they're going after
the list of blows who made who told the truth
when the hospital was lying to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Aton, hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's
the whistle blower doctor in the Texas Children's Hospital sex
change story. Now the feds are trying to destroy his life.
We'll talk about what doing to him coming up. The
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doctor Aton Tim is our guest. He is the whistle
blower in the Texas Children's Hospital case where he was
a resident on staff. And he went to Chris Rufo, Uh,
this great journalist, and said, hey, Texas Children's Hospital says
they're not performing sex changes on children, but they are.
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I know it. I'm a surgeon here, I know what
they're doing. And Rufo wrote a piece and the Texas
legislature a few days later passed Senate Bill fourteen, which
officially banned transgender procedures for miners. And we talked earlier
about this, and it has been widely written that Rufo's
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piece is what turned a lot of even Democrats into, Hey,
we can't have this. We've got to pass a state law.
What about the details of what Rufo wrote and what
you disclosed, do you think bothered people most that they said,
we've got to make this illegal.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening.
All we had exposed, We had made public what these
people were advocating for publicly in their lectures and conferences,
and that's it. By making that public that was enough
to garner bipartisan support in order to make this illegal.
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So if these people were doing the same thing today
as they were, then, right, that would be illegal. So
I think it's the shocking nature in terms of that
it was being done to such young children, and people
inherently know what this is doing to these kids, and
they don't want it happening in their state.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and
then what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, So I had graduated and these federal agents had
come to my apartment, and you know, over the next
couple of months, you know, I came to a conclusion
that this is an investigation being pursued for political and
ideological reasons. And if I'm the target of an investigation
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like this, there's no chance for me to survive it
by staying silent, because that's where these people operate most effectively, right,
Because that's that's where they can you know, intimidate you,
where they can scare you into, you know, trying to
concede to something that never happens. And I refuse to
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bend in me and let that happen, because if I
don't stand up, Now, what kind of country will I
deliver to my future children or other generations or other kids. Like,
if you have a child, how proud would you be
if they went to medical school and became a surgeon?
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But like, you don't want them living in a world
where if they do the right thing and expose something
hainus that's happening that federal agents are going to come
to their house on the day they graduate. Right. So,
even though there was a lot on the line for me,
I was just starting my career. When you think about
the calculus in those terms, then you know it's really
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not that big of a deal. Of course I had
to do this. There was there was no option, you know,
whatever the consequences are I have. You know, this has
to be done, and no matter the challenges, it's it's
you know, will fight until then there's no stopping.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And so what is your professional status right now? What
are you?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, I started my I'm you know, I started
my practice in a small town outside of Dallas, and
it's an amazing job. I work with some of the
best people. It's a very small town. And you know,
I won't speak for the hospital, just say that I
work with really, really.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Really good people.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So you know, I just did a case this morning,
you know, operating today, and you know, got a couple
of cases next week doing clinic. So I'm just continuing
on as usual because I mean, I got to take
care of my family.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And of course, well and it's your ministry. I mean,
look at you don't do this isn't just a job.
I tell people, you know, when I was growing up,
my parents wanted me to be a doctor. I had
no interest, but you know that was all they knew
as to how you get rich as you become a doctor.
And I tell my wife's Indians, so we have a
lot of doctors in our family, a lot all her
relatives are doctor. And I say, the per hour earnings
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of a doctor are not very high, particularly when you
factor in how long you have to go to school
and all that. And it's a brutal, brutal life. It's
a calling, it's a ministry. It's something you only do
if you're deeply passionate about it, and obviously you are.
I think one of the things that is worth noting.
I don't to tell you it would have been much
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easier for you to simply turn a blind eye to
what you knew was going on. This wasn't a path
to riches. This did not professionally aid you. It endangered
your career, and now it's put you in legal jeopardy
where you know you're under federal investigation and harassment as
a result of all this. You could have done what
probably a lot of other people just like you, similarly
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situated at Texas children did and look the other way,
but you chose not to, and I think that's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know, I would have to craze you on one
thing because you say it would be easy right to
just you know, turn on a cheek, and you know
I would disagree with that because if I did just
do nothing about it, right, you carry that weight every
single day and at some point, you know, the people
in your life, your kids are going to ask you.
You know you were, you were there when this was happening,
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like what you do about it? And if your answer
is nothing. I mean, that's a hard thing to do.
So for me, this was this was the easy thing, right.
It's things silent that would have been more difficult.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
And you know, and when.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Other doctors and nurses, when they should understand.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That, because when you allow yourself to be degraded, right,
when you give up your dignity, you got to live
with that every single day, and that will be away
you because once you get to the other side, if
you stand up, you do the right thing, you maintain
your dignity. There's this other world where you have millions
and millions of people who are willing to spy your
side and do the right thing. And it might be
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frightening at first, but as someone who's living in it, right,
I'm on the other side, and the grass is way
greener on this side than staying something living in this darkness,
because that's how I felt before. But that's the truth,
and you know, it's already happening. It's already happening now.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I have a deep level of respect and admiration for
you for being willing to do this, because the path
of least resistance, and the path that most would follow,
is simply to look the other way and keep moving.
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And you took this burden upon yourself and obviously have
made your life a lot harder because of it. Because
it's the right thing to do, and the right thing
to do matters. And you saw something and you did something,
and you know, doing the right thing is often not
going to get a parade in your honor. Many times
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people hate the person who does the right thing. Who
would have known a surgeon on a surgeon who was
a resident at Texas Children's Hospital would be put into
a situation where you could make a dramatic I mean
a state law was changed largely because of what you
were willing to expose. That didn't make you popular with
the Texas Children's Hospital team, and they're a very influential
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hospital system. So the fact that you were willing to
do this, I think is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Hold with
me just one more moment. A ton aton Heim, Michael
Berry and the system lack of too modern.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people who
perform transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Haym said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a pure blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which were
being unaddressed.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records, to reporter Chris Ruffo.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
To prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Atonheim is our yes doctor atn time. He is the
whistleblower who was a resident at Texas Children's Hospital who
blew the whistle that was the subject of the article
that changed state laws so that Texas Children's Hospital, so
that it would be legal in the state of Texas
to change the sex of a child. They're just not
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ready for that. And now the FEDS are coming down
and attacking him and trying to ruin his life for
being the whistleblower. That's why you have whistleblower protections, by
the way, folks, because the person who exposes the bad.
We wonder why Nazis got away with it because people
that saw what was going on didn't want to speak out.
That was also true in Russia, as that was also
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true at Enrun. That was also you can go on
in world Come, you can go on and on and
on crimes that occur, bad Epstein, bad things that happened,
because no one wants to be the one who says, hey, guys,
I saw what's happening over there, and it's really bad,
because you're the one that's going to be attacked because
bad people are going to cover for themselves. So is
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this an ongoing investigation? I mean, what what is the status?
What is your status? And with with regard to this,
obviously they're trying to intimidate you and harass you.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
M hm.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So yeah, it's it's ongoing, so we don't know where
it's going to go. But uh, you know, I think
that the easiest way to approach these kind of situations
is just to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And that's that's what I'm doing. This is what's happening.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And uh uh, let the cards, you know, let's the
lets the piece as fall as they may. You know,
We're gonna just take a head on and that's it,
you know, because we know that there's so many people
out there who are finally coming to understand what's happening
with this country and understanding that the risks involved if.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We do nothing, because if we if we don't do.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Anything now, I mean, it's that's not a question, right
we have to.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Your wife, you know, I was a public figure as
an elected official and now as a guy who talks
on the radio for well over for almost twenty five years.
And my wife's no shrinking Violet. She was Secretary of
State of the State of Texas can she can during
during the time of our election law, our election integrity law,
and she went around the state explaining the law to
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people who thought it was it was intended to suppress
votes and explain to them that it was, and then
winning over a lot of people. But I've always said
it's harder on her than me because the spouse suffers
more than the person in public life, because they have
to suffer quietly. How has your wife done with all
of this?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean she's the strongest person I know. Yeah,
you know, we're closer now than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Was there ever a moment where she said, honey, I
love you, I admire you. But but couldn't you have
just looked the other way? Or did she know that
that's just not in your makeup?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The ladder.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And your colleagues, you know, you have all these folks
you went to med school with, the folks who went
to college with, folks who went to high school with.
I mean, your story is getting a lot of attention
across the country. It's it's it's a it's a lightning
rod of a case. What are people saying to you?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean just outpouring of support.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You know, I know for a fact that there are
tons of.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
People who strongly disagree. Probably I think I should be
in prison for the rest of my life. You know,
of course, who are not reaching out to me? So
I know that there are a lot of those and
that the people who are reaching out to me it's
kind of a sampling bias.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So but yeah, I mean it's just.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know, a huge amount support. I've only got one
hate email, so for I think that's pretty good. You know,
one one smear article which I thought was brilliant because
they included my favorite quote in the article, which was
about it was in the interview with the Chris Rufo.
I said that, you know, I wouldn't mind Anti Fauci
take care of my goldfish, which, for the record, I
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would still not let him take care of my goldfish.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, I am reminded, speaking of great quotes, I am
reminded by one of my absolute favorite quotes, and it's
by Winston Churchill, and he said, you have enemies. Good.
That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life.
And you have stood up for something sometime in your life,
did you have any did you Was this an issue
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that simply presented itself at the medical institution where you
were a resident, or was this something that you had
written about, talked about, thought about, spoken about, learned about previously.
Was this your hot button issue or was just something
you you witnessed and you had to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
No, it was just something that was emerging in the
post twenty twenty era. It was things were getting crazier.
You know, the medical profession was adopting these ideas and
practices that were not consistent with the principles that had
been guiding our profession for generations.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And the more you see it, the more you.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Can't believe it's happening. But then the more you see it,
the more you acknowledge that's real.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And that there's no way it's going to change unless
you do.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Something about it. So, yeah, it's not one of those
things that's like one day it's like all right, yeah,
like I gotta do this. This was something that kind
of had been percolating over the course of months years,
because every day you have these small experiences and it's
just one thing after the other, and it leads you
to that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Ultimate question, well am I just going to live with this?
Or am I going to do the right thing?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
And then you know, I had decided I need to
do something about it, because you know, I was not
made to be on radio shows, right like that was
there was made to work in a hospital. You know,
I even have social media, right, but it's like, I mean,
I kind of have to now, but it was ever
my intention. I mean, yeah, I'm a We're like private people.
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We live in a very small down you know. We
you know, our next our neighbors. You know, we drink
beers in their driveway and do country karaoke in their garage.
I mean, you know, this is not something that we
would ever think we would ever do.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
What kind of nice Jewish boy from Florida does country karaoke?
You're meant to be intell. I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, I love country, big fan.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character.
Aton time is our guest. I have just a few
wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with
me for one more segment, we will have more with
him if you have. If you've not yet read the
stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now
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the FEDS are trying to destroy his life, it is
both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that
this man was willing, especially young in his career, to
be willing to do this. Go read the story. It's
quite interesting one of Disney Productions. A love budds Dean Jones,
as has been race driver Michael Barry funny hacker. That's
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ramon the King of Dean suggested for general audiences. Eight
time Time is our guest. He was a young resident
at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said,
in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas
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children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the
sex changes on children. And a year later he realized
they are doing it. So he was the whistleblower and
Chris Rufo wrote the story, and the story a couple
of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill,
and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes.
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Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be
able to to change back. You're messing these kids up.
And now the Feds are trying to destroy his life
because he dared share the facts, which you know they
claimed this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had
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the lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had
to You've had to prepare for what could be something
really nasty against you by and the weight of the
federal government against you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand,
because we have to fight this because if this is
allowed to stand, if whisplowers like me can be silent,
then how hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever
they want, and any doctor or nurse who speaks out
and says something will be targeted by the federal advisan.
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But we have to make sure that does not happen.
So we have to fight it, and we're going to
do it too to nail.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I don't expect you to be an expert on
sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion,
and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital
where you were resident. In your mind, what should happen
if a child does legitimately feel that they are a
girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa. What
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should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know,
by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes
their decision what they do. And they're very different at
eighteen than they are at nine or ten, So but
I'm sure you have some thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I would say that in both children and adults.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor,
the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology.
So we are created, whether you believe it is God
or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms,
you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally
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occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick
with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not
feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's
like what I would classify disease pathology. So that's where
you have a doctor, you know, prescribe intervention to get
you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this is
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doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health,
natural occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state
of disease. And you might have the perception of short
term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable
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to live something that is not true. And that's why
in both children and adults it should.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Not be done. Because if someone comes to my client and.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Say, you know, I feel like, you know, I was
not born to have eyes, so you know I need
affirmation that I will be happy without eyes. We would
never in a million years do that because you're you're
you would be destroying the naturally occurring physiology, which is
the natural goal of the physician. And these were these
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are not my ideas, I mean, these are just this
was something that was written about by Arizotle. And and
you know he had written a lot about a lot,
but I mean some of his best work was about
the about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know,
our modern conception of medicine is based on that because
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everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I can only read from the article. We can't litigate
the case here. But one of the things that was
a point that was made in your defense is that
the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that
they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that
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would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't
reveal this having happened, based on it having happened, then
they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit
crimes and nobody will be able to stop them because
to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to
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subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws.
So what they're trying to say is a hospital can
get away with whatever they want because if if a
physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him.
And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And that's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right,
you know, they have these laws they and it's also where.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
The process is the punishment right.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Where you know, yet they don't have anything right, It's
like there's there's nothing they can do right where it's
uh that we actually be included in this. But the
reason they do it is because.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The process is the punishment.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
That's how you disincentimiles of people telling the truth in
these situations.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a
line I often use, whether it's the IRS, Department, Home
Lends Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal agency goes
in and investigates someone, or any agency goes in and
puts someone under an investigation that in and of itself
is a living hell, and it's tough. It is, It
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is tough on that person. So whether they end up
convicting uh you know, at the end or not doesn't matter,
because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence, you
lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your time
and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things, You're
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going to hearings, You're you're, you're preparing documents. I mean,
and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right,
You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as
you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they
never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a
day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal.
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I must say a toon him. Thank you very much
for your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank
you on behalf of a lot of children who will
benefit from what you've done. Thank you for being willing
to speak out and be a whistle blower and put
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yourself through this living hell. We need more aton time,
so your your mother should be very proud of you.
That's how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll
conclude it. I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Sir, thank you, And do you mind if I add
one more thing? You know we we are we have
a gift thing go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore, whistle
Blower and you know any support would you know? It
means more than work to describe.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So how do we do that? You go to Gibson go.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And then you know Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which
is like the lower line. You know, I have to
shift and then something and then whistle blower. But that's
or if you're typing my name tree to find it.
Yeah on Twitter, h I am. If someone wants to
help you, they're going to be able to find you.
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I'm in trouble with my computer right now.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But yes, and I will announce that again next week.
Thank you doctor him, Thank you, sir
Speaker 4 (34:22):
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It's that time time luck and load till Michael Arry
Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if
you had potted the audio down or not. I want
to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying
to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to simplify
for an audience and make this all make sense because
they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet.
He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what
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Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want
to give you an opportunity to clear up what I
may have misstated at the end of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So between March and twenty twenty two and when our
story came out May of twenty twenty three, they had
been continuing these hormone related interventions because in March twenty
twenty two, they had said they stopped. Unequivalently, they had
said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth.
May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it
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illegal to perform.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
These interventions, and then you know, I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Ten fifteen days after that.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Was when the seal of the hospital.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Said that they would shut down their program. So, you know,
because after that I had graduated from the program. You know,
according to them, they had shut down the program after that.
So I would take them for their word. And just
because I don't have any.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I couldn't say that they had continued.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
They had said they stopped. So you know, if they
said that, then you know, I don't have any information
that would counter that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours,
you're a young surgeon. It's a tough. You know, the
early part of a doctor's career is brutal, I mean legendary.
When you would see these children, I mean, did you
ever see a child that was being wheeled in to
have this gender reassignment, to have a sex change, or
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a child coming out of that. I got to think
that if you see something like that, it's like a
it's like being a war report. You never you never
get over that.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No, you know, I had never seen it, because if
I did, you know, it's it's something that you know,
I wouldn't just stand by and watch that happen.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But you know, I knew people.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Who did, and you know, they told me about it
after and you had expressed shock as to the nature
of what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, do you have any idea how many doctors were
performing this procedure?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think it was a small number.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Small number.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer,
but I'm going to ask it. How does a doctor
end up being in a position of butchering a child?
Is like, what's going through that person's mind? I mean,
we most people recognize that you don't let children start smoking,
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You don't let children vote, You don't let children get tattoos.
You don't let children consent to sex because they're not
capable of They've not reached the age of maturity. They
are miners, their brains are developing, and here is as
permanent a thing as you can possibly impose upon them.
How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you
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heard people answer this question?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know it's I believe it has to do with
this underlying ideology. Right, People they want to have meaning
in their life, but they don't want to make the
effort to do anything meaningful. Like they want to be righteous,
but they don't want to exert the effort to be virtuous,
you know, and what happens with this is that it's
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you know, a shortcut to meaning, so they can do
something and do something that that's not true and give
themselves that false sense of righteousness. But it's happening at
the cost of these children. And that's where you know,
there's this connection between this and all these other issues
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we're seeing in our society because you have these people
who are you praying at these ideological alters for whatever
phony caused, but they're doing so because they have no
meaning in their life and they're looking for it, but.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They're looking in all the wrong places.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And instead of you know, standing up to something powerful,
they're just you know, playing their role in this kabuki
theater that is, you know, this modern phenomenon of the
woke left.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm going to read from a line from one of
the articles about you. It says, I am continued to
hear stories from other residents, that's other young doctors like yourself,
and then came across a public quote Grand rounds end
quote presentation by top doctors at the hospital encouraging the
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use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. The lecture coached
primary care doctors how to funnel patients into the transgender
clinic where they could receive treatment. Tell me a little
bit about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, it's the important thing is the green round Nisher
is one of the most prestigious leisure theories given in
the hospital. And when you have the directors of the
program who are talking about integrating this algorithm into other
parts of the hospital and teaching doctors how to ask
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these questions behind the parents' backs, it's something.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's truly shocking, and because that's what they.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Were talking about, and you almost can't believe it's real.
But when you see what's your own eyes and you
understands happening at the hospital you work, yet you you couldn't.
I couldn't live with myself if you know I didn't
didn't do something about it?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I didn't And.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
What does that include? I mean in your mind, you're
certain you've done nothing wrong. You've said that in every
in every article I've seen written there, their claim is
that you have you have violated I guess, hippo, you
violated the What is their claim?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You know? Uh? I, I honestly wish I can answer
that question.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Because at this point. I have no idea, really no idea,
because that hasn't been something that's been communicated.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
If I were to guess, right, because I want to
answer your question, I would think it is something.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Along those lines. That's what I would think, because I
know that the reason they had pursue. My belief is
that the reason they pursued the aggressive investigations so quick
after the story came out is because we were so
successful in exposing what happens and it being voted to
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become illegal. Because when you have doctors and nurses who
are willing to speak out and tell the truth, then
all of these things, that these false, absurd practices that
they are pursuing will be questioned and it's all going
to crumble down. And in order for them to silence
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those doctors and nurses, they have to come after people
like me. But in this case, they just chose the
wrong target. But yeah, in my opinion, that's probably what
I would think. But even to that, what could they
possibly do. It's crazy. It's hard to believe that you
would have serious people who consider themselves part of the
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justice system do something like this because what we exposed
was voted to become illegal. Right, and they're going after
the list of blows who made who told the truth
when the hospital was lying to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Aton, hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's
the whistle blower doctor in the Texas Children's Hospital sex
change story. Now the feds are trying to destroy his life.
We'll talk about what doing to him coming up. The
(08:28):
doctor Aton Tim is our guest. He is the whistle
blower in the Texas Children's Hospital case where he was
a resident on staff. And he went to Chris Rufo, Uh,
this great journalist, and said, hey, Texas Children's Hospital says
they're not performing sex changes on children, but they are.
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I know it. I'm a surgeon here, I know what
they're doing. And Rufo wrote a piece and the Texas
legislature a few days later passed Senate Bill fourteen, which
officially banned transgender procedures for miners. And we talked earlier
about this, and it has been widely written that Rufo's
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piece is what turned a lot of even Democrats into, Hey,
we can't have this. We've got to pass a state law.
What about the details of what Rufo wrote and what
you disclosed, do you think bothered people most that they said,
we've got to make this illegal.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening.
All we had exposed, We had made public what these
people were advocating for publicly in their lectures and conferences,
and that's it. By making that public that was enough
to garner bipartisan support in order to make this illegal.
(09:51):
So if these people were doing the same thing today
as they were, then, right, that would be illegal. So
I think it's the shocking nature in terms of that
it was being done to such young children, and people
inherently know what this is doing to these kids, and
they don't want it happening in their state.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and
then what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, So I had graduated and these federal agents had
come to my apartment, and you know, over the next
couple of months, you know, I came to a conclusion
that this is an investigation being pursued for political and
ideological reasons. And if I'm the target of an investigation
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like this, there's no chance for me to survive it
by staying silent, because that's where these people operate most effectively, right,
Because that's that's where they can you know, intimidate you,
where they can scare you into, you know, trying to
concede to something that never happens. And I refuse to
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bend in me and let that happen, because if I
don't stand up, Now, what kind of country will I
deliver to my future children or other generations or other kids. Like,
if you have a child, how proud would you be
if they went to medical school and became a surgeon?
(11:19):
But like, you don't want them living in a world
where if they do the right thing and expose something
hainus that's happening that federal agents are going to come
to their house on the day they graduate. Right. So,
even though there was a lot on the line for me,
I was just starting my career. When you think about
the calculus in those terms, then you know it's really
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not that big of a deal. Of course I had
to do this. There was there was no option, you know,
whatever the consequences are I have. You know, this has
to be done, and no matter the challenges, it's it's
you know, will fight until then there's no stopping.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And so what is your professional status right now? What
are you?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, I started my I'm you know, I started
my practice in a small town outside of Dallas, and
it's an amazing job. I work with some of the
best people. It's a very small town. And you know,
I won't speak for the hospital, just say that I
work with really, really.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Really good people.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So you know, I just did a case this morning,
you know, operating today, and you know, got a couple
of cases next week doing clinic. So I'm just continuing
on as usual because I mean, I got to take
care of my family.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And of course, well and it's your ministry. I mean,
look at you don't do this isn't just a job.
I tell people, you know, when I was growing up,
my parents wanted me to be a doctor. I had
no interest, but you know that was all they knew
as to how you get rich as you become a doctor.
And I tell my wife's Indians, so we have a
lot of doctors in our family, a lot all her
relatives are doctor. And I say, the per hour earnings
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of a doctor are not very high, particularly when you
factor in how long you have to go to school
and all that. And it's a brutal, brutal life. It's
a calling, it's a ministry. It's something you only do
if you're deeply passionate about it, and obviously you are.
I think one of the things that is worth noting.
I don't to tell you it would have been much
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easier for you to simply turn a blind eye to
what you knew was going on. This wasn't a path
to riches. This did not professionally aid you. It endangered
your career, and now it's put you in legal jeopardy
where you know you're under federal investigation and harassment as
a result of all this. You could have done what
probably a lot of other people just like you, similarly
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situated at Texas children did and look the other way,
but you chose not to, and I think that's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know, I would have to craze you on one
thing because you say it would be easy right to
just you know, turn on a cheek, and you know
I would disagree with that because if I did just
do nothing about it, right, you carry that weight every
single day and at some point, you know, the people
in your life, your kids are going to ask you.
You know you were, you were there when this was happening,
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like what you do about it? And if your answer
is nothing. I mean, that's a hard thing to do.
So for me, this was this was the easy thing, right.
It's things silent that would have been more difficult.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
And you know, and when.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Other doctors and nurses, when they should understand.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That, because when you allow yourself to be degraded, right,
when you give up your dignity, you got to live
with that every single day, and that will be away
you because once you get to the other side, if
you stand up, you do the right thing, you maintain
your dignity. There's this other world where you have millions
and millions of people who are willing to spy your
side and do the right thing. And it might be
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frightening at first, but as someone who's living in it, right,
I'm on the other side, and the grass is way
greener on this side than staying something living in this darkness,
because that's how I felt before. But that's the truth,
and you know, it's already happening. It's already happening now.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I have a deep level of respect and admiration for
you for being willing to do this, because the path
of least resistance, and the path that most would follow,
is simply to look the other way and keep moving.
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And you took this burden upon yourself and obviously have
made your life a lot harder because of it. Because
it's the right thing to do, and the right thing
to do matters. And you saw something and you did something,
and you know, doing the right thing is often not
going to get a parade in your honor. Many times
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people hate the person who does the right thing. Who
would have known a surgeon on a surgeon who was
a resident at Texas Children's Hospital would be put into
a situation where you could make a dramatic I mean
a state law was changed largely because of what you
were willing to expose. That didn't make you popular with
the Texas Children's Hospital team, and they're a very influential
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hospital system. So the fact that you were willing to
do this, I think is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Hold with
me just one more moment. A ton aton Heim, Michael
Berry and the system lack of too modern.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people who
perform transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Haym said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a pure blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which were
being unaddressed.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records, to reporter Chris Ruffo.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
To prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Atonheim is our yes doctor atn time. He is the
whistleblower who was a resident at Texas Children's Hospital who
blew the whistle that was the subject of the article
that changed state laws so that Texas Children's Hospital, so
that it would be legal in the state of Texas
to change the sex of a child. They're just not
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ready for that. And now the FEDS are coming down
and attacking him and trying to ruin his life for
being the whistleblower. That's why you have whistleblower protections, by
the way, folks, because the person who exposes the bad.
We wonder why Nazis got away with it because people
that saw what was going on didn't want to speak out.
That was also true in Russia, as that was also
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true at Enrun. That was also you can go on
in world Come, you can go on and on and
on crimes that occur, bad Epstein, bad things that happened,
because no one wants to be the one who says, hey, guys,
I saw what's happening over there, and it's really bad,
because you're the one that's going to be attacked because
bad people are going to cover for themselves. So is
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this an ongoing investigation? I mean, what what is the status?
What is your status? And with with regard to this,
obviously they're trying to intimidate you and harass you.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
M hm.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So yeah, it's it's ongoing, so we don't know where
it's going to go. But uh, you know, I think
that the easiest way to approach these kind of situations
is just to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And that's that's what I'm doing. This is what's happening.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And uh uh, let the cards, you know, let's the
lets the piece as fall as they may. You know,
We're gonna just take a head on and that's it,
you know, because we know that there's so many people
out there who are finally coming to understand what's happening
with this country and understanding that the risks involved if.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We do nothing, because if we if we don't do.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Anything now, I mean, it's that's not a question, right
we have to.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Your wife, you know, I was a public figure as
an elected official and now as a guy who talks
on the radio for well over for almost twenty five years.
And my wife's no shrinking Violet. She was Secretary of
State of the State of Texas can she can during
during the time of our election law, our election integrity law,
and she went around the state explaining the law to
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people who thought it was it was intended to suppress
votes and explain to them that it was, and then
winning over a lot of people. But I've always said
it's harder on her than me because the spouse suffers
more than the person in public life, because they have
to suffer quietly. How has your wife done with all
of this?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean she's the strongest person I know. Yeah,
you know, we're closer now than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Was there ever a moment where she said, honey, I
love you, I admire you. But but couldn't you have
just looked the other way? Or did she know that
that's just not in your makeup?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The ladder.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And your colleagues, you know, you have all these folks
you went to med school with, the folks who went
to college with, folks who went to high school with.
I mean, your story is getting a lot of attention
across the country. It's it's it's a it's a lightning
rod of a case. What are people saying to you?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean just outpouring of support.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You know, I know for a fact that there are
tons of.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
People who strongly disagree. Probably I think I should be
in prison for the rest of my life. You know,
of course, who are not reaching out to me? So
I know that there are a lot of those and
that the people who are reaching out to me it's
kind of a sampling bias.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So but yeah, I mean it's just.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know, a huge amount support. I've only got one
hate email, so for I think that's pretty good. You know,
one one smear article which I thought was brilliant because
they included my favorite quote in the article, which was
about it was in the interview with the Chris Rufo.
I said that, you know, I wouldn't mind Anti Fauci
take care of my goldfish, which, for the record, I
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would still not let him take care of my goldfish.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, I am reminded, speaking of great quotes, I am
reminded by one of my absolute favorite quotes, and it's
by Winston Churchill, and he said, you have enemies. Good.
That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life.
And you have stood up for something sometime in your life,
did you have any did you Was this an issue
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that simply presented itself at the medical institution where you
were a resident, or was this something that you had
written about, talked about, thought about, spoken about, learned about previously.
Was this your hot button issue or was just something
you you witnessed and you had to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
No, it was just something that was emerging in the
post twenty twenty era. It was things were getting crazier.
You know, the medical profession was adopting these ideas and
practices that were not consistent with the principles that had
been guiding our profession for generations.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And the more you see it, the more you.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Can't believe it's happening. But then the more you see it,
the more you acknowledge that's real.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And that there's no way it's going to change unless
you do.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Something about it. So, yeah, it's not one of those
things that's like one day it's like all right, yeah,
like I gotta do this. This was something that kind
of had been percolating over the course of months years,
because every day you have these small experiences and it's
just one thing after the other, and it leads you
to that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Ultimate question, well am I just going to live with this?
Or am I going to do the right thing?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
And then you know, I had decided I need to
do something about it, because you know, I was not
made to be on radio shows, right like that was
there was made to work in a hospital. You know,
I even have social media, right, but it's like, I mean,
I kind of have to now, but it was ever
my intention. I mean, yeah, I'm a We're like private people.
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We live in a very small down you know. We
you know, our next our neighbors. You know, we drink
beers in their driveway and do country karaoke in their garage.
I mean, you know, this is not something that we
would ever think we would ever do.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
What kind of nice Jewish boy from Florida does country karaoke?
You're meant to be intell. I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, I love country, big fan.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character.
Aton time is our guest. I have just a few
wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with
me for one more segment, we will have more with
him if you have. If you've not yet read the
stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now
(25:07):
the FEDS are trying to destroy his life, it is
both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that
this man was willing, especially young in his career, to
be willing to do this. Go read the story. It's
quite interesting one of Disney Productions. A love budds Dean Jones,
as has been race driver Michael Barry funny hacker. That's
(25:30):
ramon the King of Dean suggested for general audiences. Eight
time Time is our guest. He was a young resident
at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said,
in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas
(25:52):
children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the
sex changes on children. And a year later he realized
they are doing it. So he was the whistleblower and
Chris Rufo wrote the story, and the story a couple
of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill,
and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes.
(26:14):
Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be
able to to change back. You're messing these kids up.
And now the Feds are trying to destroy his life
because he dared share the facts, which you know they
claimed this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had
(26:37):
the lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had
to You've had to prepare for what could be something
really nasty against you by and the weight of the
federal government against you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand,
because we have to fight this because if this is
allowed to stand, if whisplowers like me can be silent,
then how hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever
they want, and any doctor or nurse who speaks out
and says something will be targeted by the federal advisan.
(27:10):
But we have to make sure that does not happen.
So we have to fight it, and we're going to
do it too to nail.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I don't expect you to be an expert on
sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion,
and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital
where you were resident. In your mind, what should happen
if a child does legitimately feel that they are a
girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa. What
(27:43):
should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know,
by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes
their decision what they do. And they're very different at
eighteen than they are at nine or ten, So but
I'm sure you have some thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I would say that in both children and adults.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor,
the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology.
So we are created, whether you believe it is God
or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms,
you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally
(28:25):
occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick
with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not
feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's
like what I would classify disease pathology. So that's where
you have a doctor, you know, prescribe intervention to get
you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this is
(28:46):
doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health,
natural occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state
of disease. And you might have the perception of short
term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable
(29:06):
to live something that is not true. And that's why
in both children and adults it should.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Not be done. Because if someone comes to my client and.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Say, you know, I feel like, you know, I was
not born to have eyes, so you know I need
affirmation that I will be happy without eyes. We would
never in a million years do that because you're you're
you would be destroying the naturally occurring physiology, which is
the natural goal of the physician. And these were these
(29:41):
are not my ideas, I mean, these are just this
was something that was written about by Arizotle. And and
you know he had written a lot about a lot,
but I mean some of his best work was about
the about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know,
our modern conception of medicine is based on that because
(30:05):
everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I can only read from the article. We can't litigate
the case here. But one of the things that was
a point that was made in your defense is that
the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that
they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that
(30:36):
would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't
reveal this having happened, based on it having happened, then
they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit
crimes and nobody will be able to stop them because
to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to
(30:57):
subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws.
So what they're trying to say is a hospital can
get away with whatever they want because if if a
physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him.
And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And that's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right,
you know, they have these laws they and it's also where.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
The process is the punishment right.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Where you know, yet they don't have anything right, It's
like there's there's nothing they can do right where it's
uh that we actually be included in this. But the
reason they do it is because.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The process is the punishment.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
That's how you disincentimiles of people telling the truth in
these situations.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a
line I often use, whether it's the IRS, Department, Home
Lends Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal agency goes
in and investigates someone, or any agency goes in and
puts someone under an investigation that in and of itself
is a living hell, and it's tough. It is, It
(32:16):
is tough on that person. So whether they end up
convicting uh you know, at the end or not doesn't matter,
because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence, you
lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your time
and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things, You're
(32:36):
going to hearings, You're you're, you're preparing documents. I mean,
and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right,
You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as
you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they
never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a
day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal.
(32:58):
I must say a toon him. Thank you very much
for your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank
you on behalf of a lot of children who will
benefit from what you've done. Thank you for being willing
to speak out and be a whistle blower and put
(33:20):
yourself through this living hell. We need more aton time,
so your your mother should be very proud of you.
That's how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll
conclude it. I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Sir, thank you, And do you mind if I add
one more thing? You know we we are we have
a gift thing go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore, whistle
Blower and you know any support would you know? It
means more than work to describe.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So how do we do that? You go to Gibson go.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And then you know Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which
is like the lower line. You know, I have to
shift and then something and then whistle blower. But that's
or if you're typing my name tree to find it.
Yeah on Twitter, h I am. If someone wants to
help you, they're going to be able to find you.
(34:10):
I'm in trouble with my computer right now.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But yes, and I will announce that again next week.
Thank you doctor him, Thank you, sir
Speaker 4 (34:22):
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