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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael
Verie show is on the air, so our next guest.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think you might find this very interesting. I've never
met him. I didn't know him. I did not know
his name. But I received a number of emails from listeners,
which is how we get our best show prep typically,
who said, you need to talk to this guy. He's
(00:40):
a whistleblower with regard to what's going on at Texas
Children's Hospital, with some of the procedures they are doing
on children, and it's very disturbing, and his identity has
now been made public and it is quite the dramatic story.
It's it's getting a lot of national attention. So I
(01:04):
started putting the word out and it turned out that
we knew people in common. I had no idea, but
it turned out we did, and they were able to
track him down for us and get him on the air.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And the only we didn't I have not spoken to
him yet.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I did ask Ramon when we got him on the line,
how to pronounce his name, which is spelled e I
T h A n Ethan with an extra gratuitous I
ethan and his last name H A I M is
as I expected.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Heim.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It could have been Haim or Heim, but it's Ethanheim
is his name, and he's our guest and welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Nice to meet you, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. And
I would just say the first name is a little
bit different.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But Aton, oh, Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?
Am I guessing?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yes, sir? It is? Yeah, And you know the introduction,
I I feel honored. That was a It's great.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And what does aton mean?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You know, it's the Hebrew derivation strong.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're proving that to be true.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't Yes, she
had told me that last week.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Are you the the I am I assume is Ashkenes
not Saphardi.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, it's a typical Hebrew name, but my family's actually spartic.
My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can
trace our history back to you know, Baghdad and Bonser
for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well as you probably know, UH there it was a
thriving Jewish community in Baghdad that surprises people today, but
it was a thriving center of Jewish culture and UH
commerce for quite some time. Obviously that's UH that's sadly
no longer the case. Aton, Let's talk about why you
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have become a national story over the last week. What
what well, why don't you take your time. We're going
to devote as much time as we need to this
interview because I think this is important.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Why don't you take your time and explain?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And I will only interrupt you as our clock requires,
because we do have to stop and start at commercial breaks.
So why don't you get us started with how you
ended up at Texas Children to be the whistleblower.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any
point where you have any questions during this story, just
let me know, because sometimes the medical style of it,
like the in terms of training and all that can
be a little confusing. But you know, my name is
Aton Him. You know, I grew up in Florida, you know,
had a great family, very close with all of them,
and went to medical school in Florida. I ended up
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in Houston because after you finish medical school, you go
into residency. So after medical school you become a doctor,
but you your residency is where you trained in specialty.
So for some people it's medicine, some people it's neurosurgery.
For me, it's general surgery and that's a five year
period of time. And I was accepted into the Baylor
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College of Medicine General Surgery program, which is one of
the best in the country and the training is phenomenal,
and the program is faciliated with a number of different
hospitals including Saint Luke's which is a big tertiary care center,
Gray Hospital, the mike Lea, the baky Va, the County
Hospital Bentom, you know, top trauma hospital in the country,
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and then ty Children's Hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Let me interrochjack Ton for our listeners outside of Houston,
because Houstonians know this to be true. We're not just
talking about the elite hospitals in the greater Houston area.
These hospitals are on par internationally. There are people when
I go to the mediciner in Houston. You see sheikhs there,
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you see billionaires from Saudi Arabia. See you see King's
and Queen's. I mean, we're talking about the finest institutions,
the most respected, prestigious institutions in the world. So you
had to have a pretty impressive, uh a pretty impressive
resume and application to end up there, all right, so
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you've landed this great opportunity as a as a young
doctor to be go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you know, so I started my training in
twenty eighteen, and it was amazing because you know, I
came from I didn't go to prestigious schools before that,
you know, I went to state schools. And it was
so it was amazing to be at such an amazing
program with these titans of surgery, because that's who these
people are. These people write the guidelines, they teach people
from across the world how to perform these really complex surgeries. So,
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you know, things had started to change really in twenty
twenty with COVID, where you see this complete reversal of
the principles of medicine and surgery, where you have these
guiding principles like do no harm and formed consent where
you really focus on making sure the family is there
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with the patient. During that time, I had seen so
many things that had absolutely shocked me that it was
kind of a one of those life changing moments and
just takes a long time to really understand what's happening.
And I saw so many bad things happen because doctors
had refused to speak up because they had refused to
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challenge the narratives that were coming from our government and
the medical institutions. And there's a certain guilt you feel
with that because you're a doctor, you have a responsibility
to the patients. You took an oath and I take
that seriously. So after going through COVID, everything had changed.
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I knew that if you have the opportunity to do something,
you have the opportunity to speak out, and if you
see something going wrong, it's your responsibility, and that if
you don't do that, then you'll never be able to
live with yourself because you know, seeing what happened during
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, you know, I knew that
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I couldn't do that again and stay silent. But we
spent a lot of time working at Texas Children's Hospital
and towards the end of COVID that the whole idea
of these transgender interventions on children had really entered the
public conscience where you had stories coming from these major
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institutions talking about, you know, gender affirming methstectomies and hysterectomies.
But this was on fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids,
and it takes a while to really comprehend that that's
actually happening. But then once you see a video of
these bubbly young doctors talking about taking off these young
girls breads and their uteruses, it's, you know, it becomes
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very real and you definitely, you know, you imagine it's
happening in California, New York, maybe you know Washington, Oregon,
but you never think it's happening in Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course, not not at Texas children, not in Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
A's on holdst the moment, and folks with this into perspective.
If if you google his name, this guy, this story
is getting a lot of national attention. The headline in
the Daily Wire was a doctor that's our guest. A
doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic. Now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life more with.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Him, Ramon said, have you tried that? He asked. We
both laughed so hard it's kind of embarrassing. Actually, he's
an idiot whore. Ayton him is our guest.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Daily Wire had I think the best headline on the matter,
But everybody's covering he has been Fox News, you everybody.
The headline was a doctor blew the whistle on his
hospital's transgender clinic. Now the FEDS are trying to ruin
his life. The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at the
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country's largest children's hospital comes forward, and then I'll I'll
read you the opening of the article. June twenty third,
twenty twenty three, was supposed to be one of the
best days of Ayton Heim's life. His family was visiting
for his graduation from his medical residency and the official
start of his career as a general surgeon. It was
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the quote single greatest accomplishment end quote of his life,
he says, and graduation quote was a big deal for him.
But then there was a loud not on him's apartment door.
It wasn't flowers or balloons, but rather agents from the
Department of Health and Human Services alerting him that he
was the target of a criminal investigation.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He says. They show me.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Their badges and they say they were investigating a case
regarding medical records.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was one of those moments.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Where time stands still. So Aton, we're going to go
back to some of the stuff you talked about earlier,
but take me to that day and why you're in
the news what happened.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And so that day being the day of my graduation, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, the day the day of the knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You know, So my wife and I are getting ready
for the ceremonial layer that night. You know, my family's
in town. It's you know, and they come from Forest,
so they haven't been able to come to Texas very often.
So it's like a you know, a really really big
day and you know, we're just getting ready and then
all of a sudden, you just hear this knock, and
you know, I shuffle over. I'm like, man, like, who
is this because just didn't expect trying to be knocking
(10:30):
on my door? And I open it and you see
these two guys out there and you're like, you know,
who are they? And they'd say, there are these agents
with Health and Human Services showing their badges and they're
investating the case. And you know, you you freak out
in the moment, right and because you don't know what's
to do, and you know exactly what it's about, but
your brain just kind of shuts down and you start
making dumb decisions and you know the awkwardness of the doorway.
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You know, I felt like, I had to get out
of that situation, so I didn't fight them in. So
we sit down, you know, exchange some small talk and
and you know, my wife was getting ready at the time.
She finishes and comes out and she sits down, and
then you know, we both look at each other and
then we go back to our bedroom, and you know,
we both knew that it wasn't a good idea to
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speak with them, So we go back out. We just
tell them that we wouldn't speak with them withou an
attorney president. They say, okay, but they hand me a
target letter and this is a piece of paper that
stated that I was a potential target of a criminal
investigation and it was signed by an assistant US attorney
in the Southern Districts of Texas. And then a minute later,
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the door closes. My wife and I look at each
other and we knew at that moment that you know
the rest of our lives wouldn't be different, that it
would never be the same. So we get on the
phone with the Christian Rufo. And if there's one thing
that your listeners should know, it's that this guy Christi
Rufo is the real deal. I mean, he's you know,
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an amazing journalist, but as a person just you know,
on believable.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
A great, great American patriot. Let me interrupt you for
a second.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
For folks, some of you may be wondering, why do
you know the name Christopher Rufo.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Chris Rufo is.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The one who led the charge against the plagiarizing president
of Harvard University. He is the one who exposed that.
He is the one who's been coming to Texas and
working on school choice. He has been at the forefront
of a number of He's an independent journalist. I support
him on substack, and I encourage you to as well.
(12:30):
I just wanted to put that into perspective. Aton go ahead,
no man, yep.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. So we are on the phone and we tell
him what happened. Then he said, all right, I'm going
to clear my day. I'm going to get back to you.
So we hang up the phone. Ten to fifteen minutes later,
he send us a number and it's from a to
an attorney. Her name is Marcella Burke and she's based
in Houston. And this is I mean, an amazing person.
She is with a partner at this big law firm,
making you a bunch of money, but partner level money
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at a big law firm, but she had left because
she didn't want to put pronouns in her bio, and
then she led this exodus of other conservative lawyers to
start her own firm only a few months before. So
Ruffo had known her because she was she's in the
circle of influential conservatives, right, and she's a fighter, she's
a bulldog, and she puts us in contact with her.
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We give her a call and you know, we tell
her the situation. She's like, all right, well, we'll make
it happen. And it was amazing because we knew that
she understood this was more as much political as it
was legal. I mean, really, it's all political, zero illegal,
because nothing we had done had violated any law, and
in actuality, the conduct that we had exposed was voted
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to become illegal within twenty four hours. But that's beside
the point. So we get off the get we have
the fun with myself and then you know, my wife
and I are looking at each other and you don't
be thinkful of what we're going to do now, right,
And we thought he accounts one of those forks in
the road where it's either you know, you been the
knee you submit to these people where you decide to fight,
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and it was so unbelievably shocking. You know, you hear
about political tyranny in other countries, you know, I read
about it growing up, and it's different when you see
it come to your door and it becomes real because
they knew what that was graduating a few hours, They
knew my family wasn't town, They knew how much that
they meant to me. But they did it for that
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specific reason.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I didn't even think.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
About that they the whistle blower. The whistle blower complaint
against you was filed I read I think a month earlier,
so choosing the day of your graduation was intended to
There's no doubt that's not a coincidence. It was intended
to intimidate.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But also the speed at which they mobilized the federal
and legal resources in order to go from the complaint
to showing up at my door is phenomenally quick. Given
the fact that AHHS isn't notoriously sclerotic, slow moving organization,
goes to show that this was a primary priority of
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that agency in order to silence me as a whistleblower,
to get the agents to do you know, whatever investigation
to assign an a USA to figure out whatever legal
strategy they had, you know, as non existent as they
may be, and then figure out what I'm graduating, find
out what time to show up, and then show up.
Is so when they want to target their political opponents
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or someone who tells truth, you know, the federal government
can start responding very quickly. But you know, we were
at that forkin road and we knew we would never kneel.
I would never kneel to this evil ideology, to these
people who want to destroy my life, who went to
silence people who spoke the truth, and we know it
was because I spoke the truth that these people had
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showed up to my door.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And hold on, I want to talk to just to
make sure everybody understands when you say spoke the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I've got about a minute left in this segment.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What you mean is you revealed that Texas Children's Hospital
was running a clinic that they said they weren't, where
they were changing boys into girls and girls into boys, right.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Exactly, So they were not only running the clinic that
they were lying about it. Because in March of twenty
pliney two, they that they shut down a program because
of the legal rig and that was completely untrue. The
reason I know that is because I worked there. I
knew the people who did the procedures.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Michael Arry in the system to mon.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people who
performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Of having a family in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Ham said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a pure blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were a transgender who had all these psychiatric issues which
were being unaddressed.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Aytonheim is our guest, and you, at the end of
the last segment said, the reason you became a whistleblower
of what was going on at Texas Children's Hospital, which
is why the FEDS have now one of the Feds
are now trying to destroy you, by all accounts, is
that what.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
They were doing in this clinic.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
We do know that Texas Children's Hospital was denying that
they had this clinic. They claimed that they'd closed it
down in twenty twenty two because there was too much liability,
too much risk, too much pushback these gender reassignments that
they're doing on children. It is Texas Children's Hospital after all,
and full disclosure, My children have been patients there and
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it's some of the best doctors in the world. I mean,
you would have been honored to be a doctor there.
But when you said that these people know that what
they're doing is wrong, explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And you know I before that toy great. I mean
because Texas Children's really is one of the most amazing
hospitals world. People who work there are phenomenal. You have
some of the best surgeons, the best nurses in the world,
and you have this fringe element who have been captured
by something very bad. But what I mean specifically when
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I say that is that they knew what they were
doing is wrong. It goes to an underlying principle of medicine.
Whatever you do as a doctor, you should never be
worried about having the public know what you're doing. You
should never not want to explain yourself to the public.
If you do have a doctor, like a doctor a surgeon,
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who's unwilling to make what they're doing known to the public,
it's likely that what they're doing is very, very wrong.
And that's exactly what was happening in this situation. So
they were concealing the existence of this program to the public,
while behind closed doors they were elevating it to the
highest levels.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But once I hold on, when you said they were
concealing it and they knew it was wrong, do you
believe that what they were doing was illegal?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, I do, in my opinion, absolutely, because there's there's
no there's no evidence to support there's no logical reasoning
to support it, because what they're doing is there. You know,
they diagnose it as a psychological problem, but using physiological solutions, medications, mormones,
preview blockers, surgery to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Let's talk about those.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I mean, some people are going to be very bothered
by this, but I think it's important to understand where
the rubber beats eroad. So when you talked about medicines
or chemicals, we're talking about, for instance, chemical.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Castration, right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And using clinical terms chemical castration. If you take a
little boy and this little boy at this age thinks
that he wants to be Superman, or he wants to
play cops and robbers, or this day he decides he
doesn't want to have the male anatomy, how exactly does
the chemical castration work?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, you know, I think the most important thing is
is really explain these things in the most simple terms possible.
You know, whenever I take care of my patients, I
always think it's important for people to understand and layman's terms,
what this really means and what the pubery blockers do
over a prolonged period of time and when children take
them is it prevents the development of the secondary sexual
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characteristics that occur during through the progression of purity. So
because of that, they they're the very very high risk
that these children become sterile, that they're unable to have children.
So to put that in very simple terms, if you
have a child who does not go through puberty because
they were on the blockers, they will have a micro penis.
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It's it will be they won't undergo the hormonal development
that is necessary in order to have it developed into
the size that is typical for an adult. And because
of that and other processes that don't develop, these children
can comes sterile. Very highrich for that. So let's also
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when the hormones too.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Aytime we're talking about the male. We'll get to the
female in a moment. You hear these horror stories about
teenage girls and they take a lump out of their
leg to fashion some sort of a club and call
that a penis. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff because
these are kids. This is irreparable. But when you talk
about these puberty blockers, let's talk about the boys for
a moment, and how young are we talking about cases
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that you saw where boys were on the puberty.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Blocker children as young as eleven, twelve thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Wow, so we're talking about not even in middle school yet.
We're talking fourth and fifth grade exactly. And the parents
presumably are aware because they've brought them in. And a
lot of times we find that these parents are themselves
nuts because you'll have one parent that has multiple kids
like this, so you end up the parents are off
an activist and complete nut jobs. But so the parents
are aware of what's going on during.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
This, yes, yeah, And so in.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Addition to the reproductive organ and how that's changing and
will never be the same, and they will be sterile,
so they'll never be able to reproduce, which could be
psychologically damaging to someone. In addition to that, the hormones
also change your body development, so girls grow hair and
boys don't. And talk a little bit about what that does,
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you know, we just assume that boys or boys and
girls and girls, and we ended up this way. But
if you'd been put on a pubity blocker, how would
that change who you are?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Say you're eleven, twelve, thirteen years old and you're put
on these blogers as you age. You know, you've become fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen years old, and all your peers go through purity
and develop in a different physical way. What will happen
to the children is they will not undergo that development,
so they will physically look different than everyone else, further
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isolating them from the people around them, putting them on
a road that they will never be able to come
back from. And that's one of the saddest things about
this whole situation, is because you have these kids committed
to a path that they can never come back from
at a time when they at least understand the consequences
of their actions.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Right, and then they're going to be looking around as
and we've seen so many of these cases where a
child who wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider
Man on Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
When they get older, they're very angry.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Now you talk about some severe psychiatric problems over the
fact that they've been altered as to We've had guests
on our show who've gone through this, and it breaks
my heart for them.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And people commit suicide over this. They commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Over having been altered into someone or something that they're.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Not, and you know, and instead of telling these kids,
you know their purpose just the way they are that
going purity is hardened and but those challenges will make
them stronger, will make them better, and that the lessons
they learned from those challenges is what they will take
into their adulthood. Like that's what we all had when
we were children, and it was those things that that
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gave us the strength to make it through tough times
in the future. And what they're doing is taking that
away from these kids. And it's so wrong because.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,
the whistleblower in this massive.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Case that's just just hit the news. Coming up with.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Aton Heim is our guest, and I'll just read you
the Daily Wire headline, A doctor blew the whistle on
his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the Feds are trying to
ruin his life. The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at
the country's largest children's hospital comes forward. That children's hospital
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is Texas Children's Hospital, the prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas.
Ayton him was a doctor there and he blew the
whistle on the fact that they were making boys and
the girls and girls in the boys and we're talking
about children, he says, is who did this?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
When we talk about you.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
As in they talk about you being an anonymous whistle blower,
how did you do that? How did you go about saying, hey, guys,
this is what's going on over here, y'all need to know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
This is a bad thing. You see something, say something.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
You know, it's an interesting story because there was. There
was at one point when I saw that the Grand
Rounds Leasures, you know, this very prestigious leisure series in
the hospital, and it was given by the directors of
the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to
the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I
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knew I had to do something about it, because it's
my responsibility as a surgeon and a more responsibility as
an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to
the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in
the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists
during that time, and for five months it was just failure. Right.
(27:31):
I would just reach out to people, might you know,
might express some interest, but you know, people would look
at me like, you know, like you know, Who's who's
this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know
all these times, and so it was. It was it
was just a bunch of uh uh you know, dead ends.
That's the best way I would put it. But then
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I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in mid May,
and the timing couldn't have been more perfect because I
didn't know this at the time, but the Texas Senate
was voting on a bill as B fourteen. This was
going to be the law that would ban these hormone
related interventions for children who believed they have who are
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who believe their transgender. So he knew that it was
important to get the story out, so he verified who
I am. You know. We get the story out on
May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text Children's
is lying to the public about the existence of their program,
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and that first day goes all over the news, big story,
But it did exactly what we thought it would. The
very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right doing
these interventions on children was voted to become illegal in
the state of Texas in a bill that was passed
with bipartisan support. And we were told that partly it's
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because our story came out the day before that. There
were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it, because,
you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing was
happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now they
knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on the news,
but it was something that was that was true, that
was actually happening right down their street. So then more
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whistleblowers come out, you know, the a couple of days later,
another whistleblower comes out to tell their story about working
with these doctrips and how he was horrifying to see
these kids being put on these medications in these blockers
so quick after such short clinic visits. And then the
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Texa Attorney General announces an investigation into the hospital. And then,
you know, for the second time in fourteen months, the
CEO of the hospital says that he's shutting down the
program because of the passage of the law. So at
the end of that, you know, I'm still nonmous, but
I'm thinking, yeah, we succeed it, and it couldn't have
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it couldn't have worked out better.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken
Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change
procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital
where he was a surgical restaurant resident, this is talking
about you. Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion
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in March of twenty twenty two that it was halting
its so called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures.
And in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused
hormone related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step
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was taken to safe guard our healthcare professionals and impacted
families from potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in
March of twenty twenty two. But you were a surgeon
on staff, as a resident there or as a resident there,
(31:20):
and you knew they were lying, and that's what you
gave the information for the story to be written about.
As a result, they go to the FEDS to try
to take you down, right, and.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You're just something to note that a few three days
after that statement, they put pevy blockers into a pre
pe resident girl. Right, So there was nothing more unequivocal
than that statement. But it goes to show how blatant.
This was that they gave that statement. Three days later,
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they're still doing it. It only ramped up from there.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.
I read another article. I don't remember the source. I
don't think it's important that you're here so we can
But I read a statement that you had made to
somebody that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,
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but it is financial. That there is a lot of
money involved with this.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'll actually say more so the former than the latter.
It is much Yeah, I think I think it's I
think there is a financial component, of course, and I
think that's how you get some squishy people who don't
necessarily agree with it, but they're willing to go along
with it because they know it's going to make them
(32:58):
a lot of money. But I think that something like
this cannot be done on such a large scale unless
you have people who are committed to it ideologically. And
I truly believe that's the only way you could do
this to a child is if you know within your bones,
you believe that somehow you're doing the right thing, despite
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the fact that you're destroying these kid live and so
I think yes, I would say it's more ideological than financial.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
When obviously you're a younger and as a doctor, you're
very young, but you are very clear that doing sex
changes on little kids is a terrible thing and it's
going to harm its child. Amuse as as impacts on this,
I don't if you use that term. We're up against
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the break hold type just a moment. We're talking to
Aton time the whistle blow or against Texas Children's Hospital
who says they're still doing uh sex changes on kids
even after the law said they can't, and they said
they're not. But the Feds are trying to destroy his
life because he saw something and said something coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know, I would tell you that I'm not sure
if they continue after they said they had stopped. Figure
that right, fair enough,
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael
Verie show is on the air, so our next guest.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think you might find this very interesting. I've never
met him. I didn't know him. I did not know
his name. But I received a number of emails from listeners,
which is how we get our best show prep typically,
who said, you need to talk to this guy. He's
(00:40):
a whistleblower with regard to what's going on at Texas
Children's Hospital, with some of the procedures they are doing
on children, and it's very disturbing, and his identity has
now been made public and it is quite the dramatic story.
It's it's getting a lot of national attention. So I
(01:04):
started putting the word out and it turned out that
we knew people in common. I had no idea, but
it turned out we did, and they were able to
track him down for us and get him on the air.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And the only we didn't I have not spoken to
him yet.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I did ask Ramon when we got him on the line,
how to pronounce his name, which is spelled e I
T h A n Ethan with an extra gratuitous I
ethan and his last name H A I M is
as I expected.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Heim.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It could have been Haim or Heim, but it's Ethanheim
is his name, and he's our guest and welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Nice to meet you, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. And
I would just say the first name is a little
bit different.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But Aton, oh, Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?
Am I guessing?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yes, sir? It is? Yeah, And you know the introduction,
I I feel honored. That was a It's great.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And what does aton mean?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You know, it's the Hebrew derivation strong.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're proving that to be true.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't Yes, she
had told me that last week.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Are you the the I am I assume is Ashkenes
not Saphardi.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, it's a typical Hebrew name, but my family's actually spartic.
My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can
trace our history back to you know, Baghdad and Bonser
for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well as you probably know, UH there it was a
thriving Jewish community in Baghdad that surprises people today, but
it was a thriving center of Jewish culture and UH
commerce for quite some time. Obviously that's UH that's sadly
no longer the case. Aton, Let's talk about why you
(02:55):
have become a national story over the last week. What
what well, why don't you take your time. We're going
to devote as much time as we need to this
interview because I think this is important.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Why don't you take your time and explain?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And I will only interrupt you as our clock requires,
because we do have to stop and start at commercial breaks.
So why don't you get us started with how you
ended up at Texas Children to be the whistleblower.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any
point where you have any questions during this story, just
let me know, because sometimes the medical style of it,
like the in terms of training and all that can
be a little confusing. But you know, my name is
Aton Him. You know, I grew up in Florida, you know,
had a great family, very close with all of them,
and went to medical school in Florida. I ended up
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in Houston because after you finish medical school, you go
into residency. So after medical school you become a doctor,
but you your residency is where you trained in specialty.
So for some people it's medicine, some people it's neurosurgery.
For me, it's general surgery and that's a five year
period of time. And I was accepted into the Baylor
(04:03):
College of Medicine General Surgery program, which is one of
the best in the country and the training is phenomenal,
and the program is faciliated with a number of different
hospitals including Saint Luke's which is a big tertiary care center,
Gray Hospital, the mike Lea, the baky Va, the County
Hospital Bentom, you know, top trauma hospital in the country,
(04:25):
and then ty Children's Hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Let me interrochjack Ton for our listeners outside of Houston,
because Houstonians know this to be true. We're not just
talking about the elite hospitals in the greater Houston area.
These hospitals are on par internationally. There are people when
I go to the mediciner in Houston. You see sheikhs there,
(04:47):
you see billionaires from Saudi Arabia. See you see King's
and Queen's. I mean, we're talking about the finest institutions,
the most respected, prestigious institutions in the world. So you
had to have a pretty impressive, uh a pretty impressive
resume and application to end up there, all right, so
(05:08):
you've landed this great opportunity as a as a young
doctor to be go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you know, so I started my training in
twenty eighteen, and it was amazing because you know, I
came from I didn't go to prestigious schools before that,
you know, I went to state schools. And it was
so it was amazing to be at such an amazing
program with these titans of surgery, because that's who these
people are. These people write the guidelines, they teach people
from across the world how to perform these really complex surgeries. So,
(05:41):
you know, things had started to change really in twenty
twenty with COVID, where you see this complete reversal of
the principles of medicine and surgery, where you have these
guiding principles like do no harm and formed consent where
you really focus on making sure the family is there
(06:01):
with the patient. During that time, I had seen so
many things that had absolutely shocked me that it was
kind of a one of those life changing moments and
just takes a long time to really understand what's happening.
And I saw so many bad things happen because doctors
had refused to speak up because they had refused to
(06:22):
challenge the narratives that were coming from our government and
the medical institutions. And there's a certain guilt you feel
with that because you're a doctor, you have a responsibility
to the patients. You took an oath and I take
that seriously. So after going through COVID, everything had changed.
(06:42):
I knew that if you have the opportunity to do something,
you have the opportunity to speak out, and if you
see something going wrong, it's your responsibility, and that if
you don't do that, then you'll never be able to
live with yourself because you know, seeing what happened during
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, you know, I knew that
(07:03):
I couldn't do that again and stay silent. But we
spent a lot of time working at Texas Children's Hospital
and towards the end of COVID that the whole idea
of these transgender interventions on children had really entered the
public conscience where you had stories coming from these major
(07:23):
institutions talking about, you know, gender affirming methstectomies and hysterectomies.
But this was on fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids,
and it takes a while to really comprehend that that's
actually happening. But then once you see a video of
these bubbly young doctors talking about taking off these young
girls breads and their uteruses, it's, you know, it becomes
(07:46):
very real and you definitely, you know, you imagine it's
happening in California, New York, maybe you know Washington, Oregon,
but you never think it's happening in Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course, not not at Texas children, not in Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
A's on holdst the moment, and folks with this into perspective.
If if you google his name, this guy, this story
is getting a lot of national attention. The headline in
the Daily Wire was a doctor that's our guest. A
doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic. Now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life more with.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Him, Ramon said, have you tried that? He asked. We
both laughed so hard it's kind of embarrassing. Actually, he's
an idiot whore. Ayton him is our guest.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Daily Wire had I think the best headline on the matter,
But everybody's covering he has been Fox News, you everybody.
The headline was a doctor blew the whistle on his
hospital's transgender clinic. Now the FEDS are trying to ruin
his life. The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at the
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country's largest children's hospital comes forward, and then I'll I'll
read you the opening of the article. June twenty third,
twenty twenty three, was supposed to be one of the
best days of Ayton Heim's life. His family was visiting
for his graduation from his medical residency and the official
start of his career as a general surgeon. It was
(09:18):
the quote single greatest accomplishment end quote of his life,
he says, and graduation quote was a big deal for him.
But then there was a loud not on him's apartment door.
It wasn't flowers or balloons, but rather agents from the
Department of Health and Human Services alerting him that he
was the target of a criminal investigation.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He says. They show me.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Their badges and they say they were investigating a case
regarding medical records.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was one of those moments.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Where time stands still. So Aton, we're going to go
back to some of the stuff you talked about earlier,
but take me to that day and why you're in
the news what happened.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And so that day being the day of my graduation, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, the day the day of the knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You know, So my wife and I are getting ready
for the ceremonial layer that night. You know, my family's
in town. It's you know, and they come from Forest,
so they haven't been able to come to Texas very often.
So it's like a you know, a really really big
day and you know, we're just getting ready and then
all of a sudden, you just hear this knock, and
you know, I shuffle over. I'm like, man, like, who
is this because just didn't expect trying to be knocking
(10:30):
on my door? And I open it and you see
these two guys out there and you're like, you know,
who are they? And they'd say, there are these agents
with Health and Human Services showing their badges and they're
investating the case. And you know, you you freak out
in the moment, right and because you don't know what's
to do, and you know exactly what it's about, but
your brain just kind of shuts down and you start
making dumb decisions and you know the awkwardness of the doorway.
(10:54):
You know, I felt like, I had to get out
of that situation, so I didn't fight them in. So
we sit down, you know, exchange some small talk and
and you know, my wife was getting ready at the time.
She finishes and comes out and she sits down, and
then you know, we both look at each other and
then we go back to our bedroom, and you know,
we both knew that it wasn't a good idea to
(11:15):
speak with them, So we go back out. We just
tell them that we wouldn't speak with them withou an
attorney president. They say, okay, but they hand me a
target letter and this is a piece of paper that
stated that I was a potential target of a criminal
investigation and it was signed by an assistant US attorney
in the Southern Districts of Texas. And then a minute later,
(11:36):
the door closes. My wife and I look at each
other and we knew at that moment that you know
the rest of our lives wouldn't be different, that it
would never be the same. So we get on the
phone with the Christian Rufo. And if there's one thing
that your listeners should know, it's that this guy Christi
Rufo is the real deal. I mean, he's you know,
(11:56):
an amazing journalist, but as a person just you know,
on believable.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
A great, great American patriot. Let me interrupt you for
a second.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
For folks, some of you may be wondering, why do
you know the name Christopher Rufo.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Chris Rufo is.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The one who led the charge against the plagiarizing president
of Harvard University. He is the one who exposed that.
He is the one who's been coming to Texas and
working on school choice. He has been at the forefront
of a number of He's an independent journalist. I support
him on substack, and I encourage you to as well.
(12:30):
I just wanted to put that into perspective. Aton go ahead,
no man, yep.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. So we are on the phone and we tell
him what happened. Then he said, all right, I'm going
to clear my day. I'm going to get back to you.
So we hang up the phone. Ten to fifteen minutes later,
he send us a number and it's from a to
an attorney. Her name is Marcella Burke and she's based
in Houston. And this is I mean, an amazing person.
She is with a partner at this big law firm,
making you a bunch of money, but partner level money
(12:57):
at a big law firm, but she had left because
she didn't want to put pronouns in her bio, and
then she led this exodus of other conservative lawyers to
start her own firm only a few months before. So
Ruffo had known her because she was she's in the
circle of influential conservatives, right, and she's a fighter, she's
a bulldog, and she puts us in contact with her.
(13:18):
We give her a call and you know, we tell
her the situation. She's like, all right, well, we'll make
it happen. And it was amazing because we knew that
she understood this was more as much political as it
was legal. I mean, really, it's all political, zero illegal,
because nothing we had done had violated any law, and
in actuality, the conduct that we had exposed was voted
(13:39):
to become illegal within twenty four hours. But that's beside
the point. So we get off the get we have
the fun with myself and then you know, my wife
and I are looking at each other and you don't
be thinkful of what we're going to do now, right,
And we thought he accounts one of those forks in
the road where it's either you know, you been the
knee you submit to these people where you decide to fight,
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and it was so unbelievably shocking. You know, you hear
about political tyranny in other countries, you know, I read
about it growing up, and it's different when you see
it come to your door and it becomes real because
they knew what that was graduating a few hours, They
knew my family wasn't town, They knew how much that
they meant to me. But they did it for that
(14:23):
specific reason.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I didn't even think.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
About that they the whistle blower. The whistle blower complaint
against you was filed I read I think a month earlier,
so choosing the day of your graduation was intended to
There's no doubt that's not a coincidence. It was intended
to intimidate.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But also the speed at which they mobilized the federal
and legal resources in order to go from the complaint
to showing up at my door is phenomenally quick. Given
the fact that AHHS isn't notoriously sclerotic, slow moving organization,
goes to show that this was a primary priority of
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that agency in order to silence me as a whistleblower,
to get the agents to do you know, whatever investigation
to assign an a USA to figure out whatever legal
strategy they had, you know, as non existent as they
may be, and then figure out what I'm graduating, find
out what time to show up, and then show up.
Is so when they want to target their political opponents
(15:29):
or someone who tells truth, you know, the federal government
can start responding very quickly. But you know, we were
at that forkin road and we knew we would never kneel.
I would never kneel to this evil ideology, to these
people who want to destroy my life, who went to
silence people who spoke the truth, and we know it
was because I spoke the truth that these people had
(15:50):
showed up to my door.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And hold on, I want to talk to just to
make sure everybody understands when you say spoke the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I've got about a minute left in this segment.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What you mean is you revealed that Texas Children's Hospital
was running a clinic that they said they weren't, where
they were changing boys into girls and girls into boys, right.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Exactly, So they were not only running the clinic that
they were lying about it. Because in March of twenty
pliney two, they that they shut down a program because
of the legal rig and that was completely untrue. The
reason I know that is because I worked there. I
knew the people who did the procedures.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Michael Arry in the system to mon.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people who
performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Of having a family in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Ham said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a pure blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were a transgender who had all these psychiatric issues which
were being unaddressed.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Aytonheim is our guest, and you, at the end of
the last segment said, the reason you became a whistleblower
of what was going on at Texas Children's Hospital, which
is why the FEDS have now one of the Feds
are now trying to destroy you, by all accounts, is
that what.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
They were doing in this clinic.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
We do know that Texas Children's Hospital was denying that
they had this clinic. They claimed that they'd closed it
down in twenty twenty two because there was too much liability,
too much risk, too much pushback these gender reassignments that
they're doing on children. It is Texas Children's Hospital after all,
and full disclosure, My children have been patients there and
(18:41):
it's some of the best doctors in the world. I mean,
you would have been honored to be a doctor there.
But when you said that these people know that what
they're doing is wrong, explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And you know I before that toy great. I mean
because Texas Children's really is one of the most amazing
hospitals world. People who work there are phenomenal. You have
some of the best surgeons, the best nurses in the world,
and you have this fringe element who have been captured
by something very bad. But what I mean specifically when
(19:13):
I say that is that they knew what they were
doing is wrong. It goes to an underlying principle of medicine.
Whatever you do as a doctor, you should never be
worried about having the public know what you're doing. You
should never not want to explain yourself to the public.
If you do have a doctor, like a doctor a surgeon,
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who's unwilling to make what they're doing known to the public,
it's likely that what they're doing is very, very wrong.
And that's exactly what was happening in this situation. So
they were concealing the existence of this program to the public,
while behind closed doors they were elevating it to the
highest levels.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But once I hold on, when you said they were
concealing it and they knew it was wrong, do you
believe that what they were doing was illegal?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, I do, in my opinion, absolutely, because there's there's
no there's no evidence to support there's no logical reasoning
to support it, because what they're doing is there. You know,
they diagnose it as a psychological problem, but using physiological solutions, medications, mormones,
preview blockers, surgery to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Let's talk about those.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I mean, some people are going to be very bothered
by this, but I think it's important to understand where
the rubber beats eroad. So when you talked about medicines
or chemicals, we're talking about, for instance, chemical.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Castration, right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And using clinical terms chemical castration. If you take a
little boy and this little boy at this age thinks
that he wants to be Superman, or he wants to
play cops and robbers, or this day he decides he
doesn't want to have the male anatomy, how exactly does
the chemical castration work?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, you know, I think the most important thing is
is really explain these things in the most simple terms possible.
You know, whenever I take care of my patients, I
always think it's important for people to understand and layman's terms,
what this really means and what the pubery blockers do
over a prolonged period of time and when children take
them is it prevents the development of the secondary sexual
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characteristics that occur during through the progression of purity. So
because of that, they they're the very very high risk
that these children become sterile, that they're unable to have children.
So to put that in very simple terms, if you
have a child who does not go through puberty because
they were on the blockers, they will have a micro penis.
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It's it will be they won't undergo the hormonal development
that is necessary in order to have it developed into
the size that is typical for an adult. And because
of that and other processes that don't develop, these children
can comes sterile. Very highrich for that. So let's also
(22:03):
when the hormones too.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Aytime we're talking about the male. We'll get to the
female in a moment. You hear these horror stories about
teenage girls and they take a lump out of their
leg to fashion some sort of a club and call
that a penis. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff because
these are kids. This is irreparable. But when you talk
about these puberty blockers, let's talk about the boys for
a moment, and how young are we talking about cases
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that you saw where boys were on the puberty.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Blocker children as young as eleven, twelve thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Wow, so we're talking about not even in middle school yet.
We're talking fourth and fifth grade exactly. And the parents
presumably are aware because they've brought them in. And a
lot of times we find that these parents are themselves
nuts because you'll have one parent that has multiple kids
like this, so you end up the parents are off
an activist and complete nut jobs. But so the parents
are aware of what's going on during.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
This, yes, yeah, And so in.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Addition to the reproductive organ and how that's changing and
will never be the same, and they will be sterile,
so they'll never be able to reproduce, which could be
psychologically damaging to someone. In addition to that, the hormones
also change your body development, so girls grow hair and
boys don't. And talk a little bit about what that does,
(23:20):
you know, we just assume that boys or boys and
girls and girls, and we ended up this way. But
if you'd been put on a pubity blocker, how would
that change who you are?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Say you're eleven, twelve, thirteen years old and you're put
on these blogers as you age. You know, you've become fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen years old, and all your peers go through purity
and develop in a different physical way. What will happen
to the children is they will not undergo that development,
so they will physically look different than everyone else, further
(23:54):
isolating them from the people around them, putting them on
a road that they will never be able to come
back from. And that's one of the saddest things about
this whole situation, is because you have these kids committed
to a path that they can never come back from
at a time when they at least understand the consequences
of their actions.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Right, and then they're going to be looking around as
and we've seen so many of these cases where a
child who wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider
Man on Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
When they get older, they're very angry.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Now you talk about some severe psychiatric problems over the
fact that they've been altered as to We've had guests
on our show who've gone through this, and it breaks
my heart for them.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And people commit suicide over this. They commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Over having been altered into someone or something that they're.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Not, and you know, and instead of telling these kids,
you know their purpose just the way they are that
going purity is hardened and but those challenges will make
them stronger, will make them better, and that the lessons
they learned from those challenges is what they will take
into their adulthood. Like that's what we all had when
we were children, and it was those things that that
(25:15):
gave us the strength to make it through tough times
in the future. And what they're doing is taking that
away from these kids. And it's so wrong because.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,
the whistleblower in this massive.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Case that's just just hit the news. Coming up with.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Aton Heim is our guest, and I'll just read you
the Daily Wire headline, A doctor blew the whistle on
his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the Feds are trying to
ruin his life. The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at
the country's largest children's hospital comes forward. That children's hospital
(26:05):
is Texas Children's Hospital, the prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas.
Ayton him was a doctor there and he blew the
whistle on the fact that they were making boys and
the girls and girls in the boys and we're talking
about children, he says, is who did this?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
When we talk about you.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
As in they talk about you being an anonymous whistle blower,
how did you do that? How did you go about saying, hey, guys,
this is what's going on over here, y'all need to know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
This is a bad thing. You see something, say something.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
You know, it's an interesting story because there was. There
was at one point when I saw that the Grand
Rounds Leasures, you know, this very prestigious leisure series in
the hospital, and it was given by the directors of
the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to
the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I
(27:08):
knew I had to do something about it, because it's
my responsibility as a surgeon and a more responsibility as
an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to
the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in
the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists
during that time, and for five months it was just failure. Right.
(27:31):
I would just reach out to people, might you know,
might express some interest, but you know, people would look
at me like, you know, like you know, Who's who's
this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know
all these times, and so it was. It was it
was just a bunch of uh uh you know, dead ends.
That's the best way I would put it. But then
(27:53):
I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in mid May,
and the timing couldn't have been more perfect because I
didn't know this at the time, but the Texas Senate
was voting on a bill as B fourteen. This was
going to be the law that would ban these hormone
related interventions for children who believed they have who are
(28:14):
who believe their transgender. So he knew that it was
important to get the story out, so he verified who
I am. You know. We get the story out on
May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text Children's
is lying to the public about the existence of their program,
(28:35):
and that first day goes all over the news, big story,
But it did exactly what we thought it would. The
very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right doing
these interventions on children was voted to become illegal in
the state of Texas in a bill that was passed
with bipartisan support. And we were told that partly it's
(28:59):
because our story came out the day before that. There
were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it, because,
you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing was
happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now they
knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on the news,
but it was something that was that was true, that
was actually happening right down their street. So then more
(29:20):
whistleblowers come out, you know, the a couple of days later,
another whistleblower comes out to tell their story about working
with these doctrips and how he was horrifying to see
these kids being put on these medications in these blockers
so quick after such short clinic visits. And then the
(29:42):
Texa Attorney General announces an investigation into the hospital. And then,
you know, for the second time in fourteen months, the
CEO of the hospital says that he's shutting down the
program because of the passage of the law. So at
the end of that, you know, I'm still nonmous, but
I'm thinking, yeah, we succeed it, and it couldn't have
(30:05):
it couldn't have worked out better.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken
Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change
procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital
where he was a surgical restaurant resident, this is talking
about you. Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion
(30:35):
in March of twenty twenty two that it was halting
its so called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures.
And in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused
hormone related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step
(30:58):
was taken to safe guard our healthcare professionals and impacted
families from potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in
March of twenty twenty two. But you were a surgeon
on staff, as a resident there or as a resident there,
(31:20):
and you knew they were lying, and that's what you
gave the information for the story to be written about.
As a result, they go to the FEDS to try
to take you down, right, and.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You're just something to note that a few three days
after that statement, they put pevy blockers into a pre
pe resident girl. Right, So there was nothing more unequivocal
than that statement. But it goes to show how blatant.
This was that they gave that statement. Three days later,
(31:58):
they're still doing it. It only ramped up from there.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.
I read another article. I don't remember the source. I
don't think it's important that you're here so we can
But I read a statement that you had made to
somebody that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,
(32:26):
but it is financial. That there is a lot of
money involved with this.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'll actually say more so the former than the latter.
It is much Yeah, I think I think it's I
think there is a financial component, of course, and I
think that's how you get some squishy people who don't
necessarily agree with it, but they're willing to go along
with it because they know it's going to make them
(32:58):
a lot of money. But I think that something like
this cannot be done on such a large scale unless
you have people who are committed to it ideologically. And
I truly believe that's the only way you could do
this to a child is if you know within your bones,
you believe that somehow you're doing the right thing, despite
(33:21):
the fact that you're destroying these kid live and so
I think yes, I would say it's more ideological than financial.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
When obviously you're a younger and as a doctor, you're
very young, but you are very clear that doing sex
changes on little kids is a terrible thing and it's
going to harm its child. Amuse as as impacts on this,
I don't if you use that term. We're up against
(33:54):
the break hold type just a moment. We're talking to
Aton time the whistle blow or against Texas Children's Hospital
who says they're still doing uh sex changes on kids
even after the law said they can't, and they said
they're not. But the Feds are trying to destroy his
life because he saw something and said something coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know, I would tell you that I'm not sure
if they continue after they said they had stopped. Figure
that right, fair enough,
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