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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verishow is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I understand that it makes me very unpopular in certain
circles of our audience to question any actions by the President.
It does not come from any sense of malice. In
a sophisticated republic of self governing Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We question. It's what we do.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Dare I say a few of us did it. A
few weeks ago, when the President was clearly going to
endorse John Cornyn, his own inner circle said he was
going to endorse John Cornyn for the US Senate. John
Thune had leaked to the President is about to endorse
John corn to push Ken Paxton out of the race.
That was a horrible decision, and a few people, because
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they didn't want to have to criticize Trump said, well,
he'll just put Kim Paston in as attorney general and
then it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what about the voters of the state of Texas.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
At some point you've got to decide who and what
you are, and at some point you've got to decide.
I will support the president in everything he does that
is good. When it six and one a half does
the other, I'll trust the president because he has proven
his record to be true, and then he is fighting
for me and my country.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
But if you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Simply say I will blindly support one hundred percent of decisions,
We're just going to have to disagree because I can't
do that. There are other bad decisions. Michael Cohen went
to prison, for instance. There are endorsements that were mistakes.
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Jeff Sessions was horrible Attorney general. He's human, he makes mistakes.
And by the way, these parents who think they're loving
their kids and being great parents by never telling them no,
are not doing their kids a favor. It is your
job to push back. It is healthy. Iron sharp sharpens iron. Steve,
you're up, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Just want to take it off. Speakers upon there, Thank you.
Michael uh Iran is admitted to having enough enriched uranium
to make eleven nuclear weapons. Do we leave them with
the nuclear weapons or do we do something to stop them?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Is that is that our It's those that's a binary choice. Yeah, okay,
So the United States is the only one that can
stop them.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
We're the only one with a president that's willing to
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I mean, so we're the only one to stop them
because We're the only one that to stop them.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
The Europeans aren't doing a thing to stop them.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And why is that?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Because they're lazy cowards?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seems simple.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
They have lit the United States for seventy five years
since World War Two. Bail them out, and we've paid
for their freedom and they've spin in our face for
seventy five years.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Okay, So why do we continue to pay for their freedom? Well,
I think we should pull out NATO. I think we
should pull off our troops out of Europe. But this
is a nuclear weapon and they can hit right now,
they can hit London. It's not long before they can
hit New York.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay. But the English don't seem to be worried about it.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, there are people that are going to go to Hell,
and people are going to go to heaven. Do we
have to be concerned about the people going to hell
that have chosen to go to hell?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
My question is if the Great Fear is for London,
why not let the English, the British handle their own defense.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
As I said, for seventy five years, they've been cowards
and incapable of making a decision to do anything. This
is protecting the United States and protecting Israel if we
don't want to. If you want if you want to
leave them with it, then fine, then that's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
How did you say we can agree?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm simply talking this through. You said protecting United States
and protecting Israel that that was a new twist.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh, is Israel a threat? Under threat?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Now? Are you familiar with the fact that they've been
sending missiles to Israel on a regular basis?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sure? So why not? Why wouldn't Israel fight this?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And what happens when they put a nuclear weapon on
top of one of those?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Why wouldn't Israel fight this war?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Then they have been We're helping them.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Uh, we're just helping.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
We're adding our strength to theirs they are.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How are they demonstrating their strength.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Before we did the attack six months ago? They came
in there and took out a lot of the radar
installations and all and paved the way for our B
two bombers to be able to go in there and
drop the bunker busters.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Are they putting boots on the ground, Not yet.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
But they may have to be the ones.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well that you think they're going to put boots on
the ground before we.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Do Okay, then what you're saying is until I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm just asking you questions. I'm just trying to clarify
your positions.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think we should do whatever it takes to prevent
them from using what they currently have. Now, ten years
from now, another president, another administration is going to allow
them to completely redo everything. We can't stop what they do.
(06:24):
How do I know that? Because I know something about
history and history repeats. They've already done it once. What's
to stop them from doing it again? Who's going to
stop them?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who history repeat? Was there a Donald Trump before.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
You ever heard of a wrong Reagan?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, it's an interesting question. What did Reagan do about Iran?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He didn't, Well, then history didn't repeat.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He did do things about Grenada in various other countries.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Thank god we secured Grenada. I was wondering whether you
were going to pull out that Trump card. We kept
Grenada from becoming the world power saber rattler threatening the
order of the universe.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We managed to.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Airstrip they have on Grenada.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Excuse me, are.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
You familiar with the airstrip they have on Grenada?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yes, yes, I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, I consider it one of America's greatest accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We managed to secure and the do.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Garcia where the Russians could land their bombers after they
land on the United States.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So let me go back to the core issue. And
we're just having a friendly conversation. So your position is
that we should do what in Iran? But what what
should we do?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Ultimately we should take out the uranium. I wouldn't blow
up their power plants. I destroy all the power lines
leading to them, because those could be rebuilt in six weeks.
You blow up those power plants, it's a year.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, hold on.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Orders with the little W twenty five package and you
get it all fiberglass hood with air grabbing scoops.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Mit the Michael Berry fucking.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Hoood pins ssmobile Escaped from the ordinary.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Books.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do not despair.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is very healthy to ask questions, very healthy, indeed,
good to have these conversations. And I'm that weirdo that
loves to talk about things. I'll take any side of
an issue. I don't care. I think it's fun to
have conversations and understand the arguments on both sides. We're
talking about going to war here. This isn't a minor issue. Donald,
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you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Go ahead, Oh Michael, how you do it? Good?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Just listen.
Speaker 10 (09:00):
You're talking about what Chop said about taking out Iran.
He wasn't talking about the actual people Iran. He was
talking about the tyrannical government. Is actually right now, that's
the way he's talking about taking them out, not everybody,
just the government, the tyres government.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think that's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
There will be some collateral damage and that will be
preyed upon by the Irani associates around the world, uh
and Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Domestically. But I think you're probably right.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I don't think that he wishes to eliminate the civilization
per se. The problem is after the first couple of
rounds are very surgical, very clinical strikes.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that they're taking immense.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Measures to ensure that their leadership is remains separated and
remains underground and more secured, and I think that the
likelihood that we take them out at this point, I'm
still astounded. I don't understand nobody.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I've talked to a lot of people off air.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Nobody can explain to me how they have managed to
bring in their second and third string into leadership roles
with no one has even suggested that there has been
an attempt at a coup when you look at when
this has happened in the past, where a leader goes
down in Pakistan. In most countries, you have a coup
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where the military that was providing the security realizes, hey,
we don't need the political guy, and then you have
within the military, you have a battle, and whoever emerges
from that becomes the leader. And now he's not democratically elected.
The Irani leadership is not in any sense democratically elected.
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Fascinating thing about Iran when you dig deep into what's
going on there, is that this regime is extraordinarily unpopular,
extraordinarily by the more secular Iranis, by young Iranis, by
those who've ever left the country and seen anything outside
of Iran and recognize how backward their country has become
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and was not always. In the mid to late seventies,
pre revolution, Iran was a hotspot for international tourism. Iran
was a leader in science and industry, commerce, transportation, art, cuisine.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It was a.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Culture and the backward Shia Islamic Revolution was plunged them
into the depths of despair. It's tragic to see the
only other modern country I can think of it, it's
not nearly as bad on that level would be Egypt.
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And then you could say the same for Cuba for
slightly different reasons, but they're both.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
They're all religious.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
What if you want to use an expansive view of
the word religious Andrew Europe Sir, go ahead, Hey.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Michael, how's it going. I'm horrified with what's going on.
Trump didn't run on this so on one hand, or
an intimate threat, but yes, they've been a problem for
four or seven years. You know, I had some of
the viewers North Korea has nukes and delivery systems, China
has nukes, Russia has nukes, so I'm sure I ran
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looked at what happened to Kadafi and Ukraine if they
didn't have nukes, so I wouldn't blame them for wanting
to have them as a bargaining chip. Iran was a
threat to Israel, not to US. And you know, one
of the callers had said, why aren't the Europeans getting involved?
Apparently they didn't think Iran was a threat. And I'm horrified,
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and I hope they come to a deal. Because I
think this could go terribly, terribly wrong. I believe it
already has.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Would you say it already has? What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (13:18):
I mean, as far as i'm I've read different things
where the death counts higher, the wounded is higher. Planes
going down refueling that's bs they've been shot down. The
planes that went down over Kuwait that wasn't friendly fire.
So we're not being told what's going on. You know,
I've heard from different people that know people still in
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the military morales low. Nobody wants to go. You know,
when we went to Iraq the first time, people thought
they were fighting for nine to eleven, Like, these guys
are going into the fight saying to themselves, why are
we here? You know, this was Israel's problem. And you
know when people say, oh, Iran's been attacking us, they
haven't been coming over here and attacking us. We're in
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their backyard, you know, in a sense. And I deployed twice.
I love this country, I love my military. I did
love Trump. I feel like he's turned his back on us.
You know, he said the border economy, no wars, Okay,
he did good on the border. Eggs went down as
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the only thing that went down, duel went down, back up.
He's done nothing. And then you know he has the
audacity to say, when we're done here, we're going to
Cuba boom. That's why we voted for you. So I'm
I'm I'm furious, I really am. And these guys that
think this is some call of duty game or we'll
go in and get them. You have no idea and
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say this stops tomorrow. Let's say it does. You know
how much terrorism now we have to deal with. I mean,
we killed a girls' school and from my understanding was
the colonels and general's daughters. You know, I heard about it.
Terrorist attack that happened in the US. The guy got
his whole family killed. I don't know about you, but
if you killed my whole family, you might call me
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a terrorist. I'd go nuts. So some of these people
might act terroristic. I mean, we've been blowing up their
country for Israel because of the Greater Israel project, you know.
I mean, they're attacking Lebanon, talking about we need to
attack Turkey. So what I thought this was because I
ran had nukes and Trump said he decimated the nuclear site.
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So which one is it? Did you take out the
nukes or do they have nukes? And you know North
Korea has nukes? Are we gonna nuke them? I just
think this is a bs. It makes me think they
got something on Trump. I don't know even how he's
talking about this a minor detour from the economy. I'm
disgusted and everyone should be horrified. You know, I called
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you up in twenty twenty and I mentioned about what
was going on in the military, and it was to
have draft at some point with all the trans and
letting everybody in, and I said, you know, this is
probably going to lead to a draft, you know, but
I'm just I'm horrified. Michael and.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Michael, back to the calls we go. You know, an
interesting thing is happening on this Iran issue. The Democrats
aren't needing to participate. There is a civil war among
Republicans over this issue. And if your only answer to
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that is that everybody who disagrees with the president.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Is a bad person, a bad actor.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Has bad intentions, if that is your only argument, and
by the way, if those people were fellow travelers with
you over the last last ten years on every other issue,
and if your support for this is because Donald Trump
is for it, and then you shoehorn, you shoehorn some
arguments behind it. I think you have to start asking
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yourself some questions, because that sounds more like a cult
than a republic. The president can be wrong, and whether
you realize it or not, the president can change the
actions he takes based on the voter's response. The most
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telling thing I take out of the last couple of
months with regard to President Trump is that Susie Wiles,
who was behind Pambondy and a lot of other problems
we've had, and Tom Thune, we're pushing Trump to support
Cornyn in the runoff, and Trump gave the indication he
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was going to, and he said something about Paxton that
shocked people because it was very clear he was going
to endorse Corning. And then there was a grassroots wave
against it, and he heard about it. And once he
heard about it and he saw the polls, he told
the people around him, and he told the Texans who
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had talked to him, why didn't y'all tell me this before?
I had no idea. He was not aware how unpopular
Cornin was in Texas. He was relying on people to
be bold enough to give him the counsel of hearing
what he didn't want to hear. You do not serve
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a person in leadership by failing to tell them the truth.
That is a disservice. That is how organizations and nations fall.
There is not as broad as support for war in
Iran as some people believe. Is it the right thing
to do if you think so, sure, but I'm telling
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you that the support for it, forget the Democrats, the
support for it amongst Republicans is not there.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It is simply not there.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I don't believe it is there across the board of
service members. We have been in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan,
three conflicts where veterans came home those who survived with
very different views of war than we had in past years.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'll say that for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And by the way, the ghost of Ronald Reagan is
doing backflips over the idea that the great accomplishment of
Reagan was that we took Grenada, that poor fellow. But
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without that we wouldn't have the great Clint Eastwood film
Heartbreak Ridge Gunny Highway, which is Eastwood meets his new
Marine recomplatoon.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
My name is Gunnery Sergeant Highway and I've jumped more
beer and more blood, bang, more busted more. All you
numbnuts put together. The major powers has put me in
charge of this recomplatone.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We take care of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You couldn't take care of dream.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
God loves you. I know that you men.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Do not.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Pre conplatoon kicks.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But oh you ladies think you can slept and slide
just because your last saship was a short term. We're
just marking the days were queer bait. I start acting
like marines right now.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Because I want to take long showers with you, and
I don't want to get my head shot off in
some far.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Away land because you don't blab blah. Come friend here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You yes, I'm here to tell you all that life
as you know I as you might as well all
go to town tonight. You might as well laugh and
make fools of yourself. Rub your pathetic little up against
your honey. Here are sticking that not holding the fence.
But whatever it is, get rid of it because it
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goes six hundred tomorrow. Your ass is mine.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To the phone lines we go. Let's go to Michael
D in Grapevine.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You're up, Michael.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
You know, I'll be listening to all this and following
it all from a former intelligence analyst perspective, and this
has been a long time coming. I don't know that
it's being done right. Another aspect to it is, uh,
geopolitical and economic. Ever since the end of or War One,
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when that part of the world was divided up into
various countries, when it was once Prussia, the city of
London and its financial institutions basically earned it all. I
think this is a reset.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, I think it's a reordering of the world as
we know it one way or another under the Trump regime, NATO.
You know, when you consider the fact that England is
basically a bank, that's that's the last vestige of a
dying empire. The United Kingdom is not much more than
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a bank today, and a bank they are a bank
for the rest of the world, but their prowess in
you know this, There was coal to Newcastle, there was
industrial might, there was a real thriving empire. The sun
never set on the English Empire. And now you're left
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in this way and they've retracted into a refugee camp
for Middle East Muslims and a bank for all intents
and purposes, and I think there is a reset. I
think that's a very very good way to say this.
And to be clear, I am absolutely in favor of
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weakening Iran.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
In the region.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I think that's good for the region and it's probably
good for the world the extent to which we weaken them.
You know, you can learn most eighty percent of a language,
supposedly street level language, in two weeks, and it takes
another four years to complete the other twenty percent. I
do think there becomes a diminishing return at some point,
and we're simply arguing over where that diminishing return is.
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Matt you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Go ahead, Hey, good mornings. I really enjoyed the spirited debate.
Thank you this morning. I just want to offer a
perspective real quick about the specific targeting of the power plants.
So in effect, if that does happen, and I believe
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Donald Trump has painted himself in quite a bit of
a corner because if he doesn't act on it, it's
kind of an empty threat. But that's not hearing it there.
But what we're doing by destroying the power grid is
we're going to harm we will debilitate the IRGC to
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some extent, but we will harm the general population, those
that we're trying to protect or nurture or develop. So
I think the greatest consequence of something like that is
really an effect the civilians in Iran, and I think
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it's the wrong move honestly.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, the problem is, I mean, I think that most
people would argue that the Israeli incursion into Gaza and
the pr campaign.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That came after that was a disaster for Israel.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Regardless of what they did and why they did, it
was a disaster for their feel There's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
For other of the phone lines we go last segment
on this, we have a guest.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We moved from nine to ten.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But it's another conversation I want to have, and that
is plaintiffs attorneys. Are they the most horrible human beings
in the history of mankind? Well, yes, until you need one.
We all lived through the era of ambulance chasers driving
good doctors out of the state product liability, meaning nobody
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wanted to create new products, every transaction fraught with fear
of a lawsuit and seemingly planning's lawyers getting rich overnight.
Slipping falls being manufactured did we go too far on
tour reform This conversation we'll have in the next segment.
If I haven't pissed off everybody today, then hang around
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your next Chuck, you're up.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (26:17):
Yeah, I just kind of wanted to chime in some
different things people were talking about. And I guess maybe
I'm reflecting upon the Middle East as a pastor. I
refer to Job chapter twelve and verse twenty three, where
God is basically saying that he builds nasons and he
tears them down. God uses evil nations to carry out
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his purpose and plan, and he uses good nations the
same way. And I think we all need to come
to grips if we know anything about the Word of God,
that there's never going to be peace in the Middle
East until Jesus is sitting on King David's throne. And
that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Amen, I like it. Sid you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Hey, Michael, I want to start out by a compliment.
I think you're the best radio talk show host on the.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Air right now.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
But the reason I'm calling this because I am a
Trump supporter, but I support him about seven out of
ten times and now vote for him for those seven
reasons and not against him.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
For the three.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I do believe, like he does, that if we did
not in Iran's nuclear program, they would develop a new
and they would use it. I believe Trump when he
says it, and I believe that a lot of senators
and congressmen who have heard the briefings accept that. But again,
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you know, that's just an opinion. The other thing that
I wanted to say about Trump that I strongly disagree
with him, I strongly disagree, is he should stop telling
the Iranians what he's going to do next.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Look, I just heard.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
On I think it was your radio show, that the
Iranians are asking people to lock arms around there the
electrical power plants, and that is the cause President Trump
told them what he wanted to do. And I just
and that is really upsetting to me.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But well, let me say this said from Lobock, I
think you have to understand Trump, and he's a much
more complicated leader than we've ever seen. First of all,
when he when he announces what he's going to do,
it is not lost on him that they can take
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they can they can take measures to prevent that. He
doesn't want to do that. What he's doing is the
the art of the deal. He would rather what he
wants is a deal. What he wants now is an exit.
He wants an exit. He'll declare victory and move. Ask
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this by November. That's what he wants. He wants to
get out with dignity and grace. He wants to be
able to claim some success, and there has been. He
wants to minimize the debts, and there have been. And
he wants this to be an effort his legacy to
have been success in Iran when the leaders before him did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Not have any. That's the goal.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But he needs Iran's help to do that, and so
he can't ask him nicely, Hey help me out. So
he threatens them, I'm going to bust you across the jaw.
If you don't do what I'm saying, I'm going to
I'm going to destroy your power grid.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And the goal.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
There is that they say he's got the power to
do it, He's willing to do it, and now he's
given a deadline. Now the deadline hens everyone in and
Iran is doing everything they can to psychologically study him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trump can pivot against what he said on a dime.
We can wake up tomorrow, we haven't bombed the power plants.
If Iran doesn't capitulate, we can wake up tomorrow and
he can say, well, that's just what I did. And
everyone who loves Trump will say, yeah, he was just
negotiating with him. No one will say no one who
likes Trump will say he promised to bomb the power
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grid and he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No one will no one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Who supports him already is going to say that what
he's trying to do is get a deal done and
get out of there. I don't think that's what Netanyahu wants.
I think that's what Trump wants. And I think Trump
is in a position now where he is looking for
a graceful exit from this uh and to declare mission
accomplished and move back to areas where he has greater
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support among his his base, move back to you know,
we had, we had the TSA scandal, the the debacle
that was a current, and because Trump was so distracted
with Iran, he couldn't do what his gut would have
told him to do. Trump is a domestic affairs president.
That's where he shines. He is not a war guy,
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and he wasn't elected to be a war guy. That's
the Bushes. They love war. That's Lindsey Graham. He's having
a wargasm over in the corner because he can't believe
we're getting to drop bombs and kill people. I give
an example, a woman named Carrie Anne writes me Zar,
I have been very disheartened by this whole thing because
I can't figure out the why. Trump's never been a
war guy? So why why now? What information or was
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it their plan to assassinate him that escalated?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Did the war guys in his circle get to him
all of the above. I feel like there's a piece
of the puzzle missing. I think a lot of people do.
I think a lot of people recognize this is out
of character for Trump. This is inconsistent with Trump one
point zero and Trump two point oh prior to this,
Grabbing the Venezuelan leader and bringing him here was a
very different effort. I think a lot of people have
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come to understand how powerful Iran was. Iran was providing
the security to Basher Asad to maintain control in Syria.
They had enough spare parts to put the IRG down there,
to be able to have a satellite state in Syria.
Iran and the Houtis are the Houtis are their hit men.
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Iran is a very powerful force in the region. And
they're not Venezuela. It's a very they're not Cuba. And
we're learning that, or the American public is learning that.
And this would not be an overnight success. I will
remind you we rolled into Iraq in two thousand and
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three and this thing was supposed to be over and
Trump flew in with the mission accomplished leather jacket and
regretted it for the entirety of his presidency, and we
ended up with Barack Hussein Obama, who I'm sorry, Bush,
George W.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Bush.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Spirited discussion. I don't ask you to come to a conclusion.
I don't have a conclusion. I'm asking questions. I don't
know the right answer. You know, we can simply do
nothing with Iran, and they are a problem. I don't
doubt that they are a problem. Do we leave them be?
I don't know. Do we attempt to do we attempt
to get to the underground bunkers which cannot simply be
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bombed because they've been buried too deep. That's going to
be at great cost and men on the ground. That's
also true. There is not an easy answer here right
this is a complicated brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Do we do it or not? I don't suggest there
is an easy answer. I suggest we talked about it.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verishow is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I understand that it makes me very unpopular in certain
circles of our audience to question any actions by the President.
It does not come from any sense of malice. In
a sophisticated republic of self governing Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We question. It's what we do.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Dare I say a few of us did it. A
few weeks ago, when the President was clearly going to
endorse John Cornyn, his own inner circle said he was
going to endorse John Cornyn for the US Senate. John
Thune had leaked to the President is about to endorse
John corn to push Ken Paxton out of the race.
That was a horrible decision, and a few people, because
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they didn't want to have to criticize Trump said, well,
he'll just put Kim Paston in as attorney general and
then it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what about the voters of the state of Texas.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
At some point you've got to decide who and what
you are, and at some point you've got to decide.
I will support the president in everything he does that
is good. When it six and one a half does
the other, I'll trust the president because he has proven
his record to be true, and then he is fighting
for me and my country.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
But if you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Simply say I will blindly support one hundred percent of decisions,
We're just going to have to disagree because I can't
do that. There are other bad decisions. Michael Cohen went
to prison, for instance. There are endorsements that were mistakes.
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Jeff Sessions was horrible Attorney general. He's human, he makes mistakes.
And by the way, these parents who think they're loving
their kids and being great parents by never telling them no,
are not doing their kids a favor. It is your
job to push back. It is healthy. Iron sharp sharpens iron. Steve,
you're up, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Just want to take it off. Speakers upon there, Thank you.
Michael uh Iran is admitted to having enough enriched uranium
to make eleven nuclear weapons. Do we leave them with
the nuclear weapons or do we do something to stop them?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Is that is that our It's those that's a binary choice. Yeah, okay,
So the United States is the only one that can
stop them.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
We're the only one with a president that's willing to
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I mean, so we're the only one to stop them
because We're the only one that to stop them.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
The Europeans aren't doing a thing to stop them.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And why is that?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Because they're lazy cowards?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seems simple.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
They have lit the United States for seventy five years
since World War Two. Bail them out, and we've paid
for their freedom and they've spin in our face for
seventy five years.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Okay, So why do we continue to pay for their freedom? Well,
I think we should pull out NATO. I think we
should pull off our troops out of Europe. But this
is a nuclear weapon and they can hit right now,
they can hit London. It's not long before they can
hit New York.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay. But the English don't seem to be worried about it.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, there are people that are going to go to Hell,
and people are going to go to heaven. Do we
have to be concerned about the people going to hell
that have chosen to go to hell?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
My question is if the Great Fear is for London,
why not let the English, the British handle their own defense.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
As I said, for seventy five years, they've been cowards
and incapable of making a decision to do anything. This
is protecting the United States and protecting Israel if we
don't want to. If you want if you want to
leave them with it, then fine, then that's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
How did you say we can agree?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm simply talking this through. You said protecting United States
and protecting Israel that that was a new twist.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh, is Israel a threat? Under threat?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Now? Are you familiar with the fact that they've been
sending missiles to Israel on a regular basis?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sure? So why not? Why wouldn't Israel fight this?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And what happens when they put a nuclear weapon on
top of one of those?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Why wouldn't Israel fight this war?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Then they have been We're helping them.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Uh, we're just helping.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
We're adding our strength to theirs they are.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How are they demonstrating their strength.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Before we did the attack six months ago? They came
in there and took out a lot of the radar
installations and all and paved the way for our B
two bombers to be able to go in there and
drop the bunker busters.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Are they putting boots on the ground, Not yet.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
But they may have to be the ones.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well that you think they're going to put boots on
the ground before we.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Do Okay, then what you're saying is until I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm just asking you questions. I'm just trying to clarify
your positions.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think we should do whatever it takes to prevent
them from using what they currently have. Now, ten years
from now, another president, another administration is going to allow
them to completely redo everything. We can't stop what they do.
(06:24):
How do I know that? Because I know something about
history and history repeats. They've already done it once. What's
to stop them from doing it again? Who's going to
stop them?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who history repeat? Was there a Donald Trump before.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
You ever heard of a wrong Reagan?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, it's an interesting question. What did Reagan do about Iran?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He didn't, Well, then history didn't repeat.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He did do things about Grenada in various other countries.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Thank god we secured Grenada. I was wondering whether you
were going to pull out that Trump card. We kept
Grenada from becoming the world power saber rattler threatening the
order of the universe.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We managed to.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Airstrip they have on Grenada.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Excuse me, are.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
You familiar with the airstrip they have on Grenada?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yes, yes, I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, I consider it one of America's greatest accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We managed to secure and the do.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Garcia where the Russians could land their bombers after they
land on the United States.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So let me go back to the core issue. And
we're just having a friendly conversation. So your position is
that we should do what in Iran? But what what
should we do?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Ultimately we should take out the uranium. I wouldn't blow
up their power plants. I destroy all the power lines
leading to them, because those could be rebuilt in six weeks.
You blow up those power plants, it's a year.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, hold on.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Orders with the little W twenty five package and you
get it all fiberglass hood with air grabbing scoops.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Mit the Michael Berry fucking.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Hoood pins ssmobile Escaped from the ordinary.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Books.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do not despair.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is very healthy to ask questions, very healthy, indeed,
good to have these conversations. And I'm that weirdo that
loves to talk about things. I'll take any side of
an issue. I don't care. I think it's fun to
have conversations and understand the arguments on both sides. We're
talking about going to war here. This isn't a minor issue. Donald,
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you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Go ahead, Oh Michael, how you do it? Good?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Just listen.
Speaker 10 (09:00):
You're talking about what Chop said about taking out Iran.
He wasn't talking about the actual people Iran. He was
talking about the tyrannical government. Is actually right now, that's
the way he's talking about taking them out, not everybody,
just the government, the tyres government.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think that's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
There will be some collateral damage and that will be
preyed upon by the Irani associates around the world, uh
and Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Domestically. But I think you're probably right.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I don't think that he wishes to eliminate the civilization
per se. The problem is after the first couple of
rounds are very surgical, very clinical strikes.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that they're taking immense.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Measures to ensure that their leadership is remains separated and
remains underground and more secured, and I think that the
likelihood that we take them out at this point, I'm
still astounded. I don't understand nobody.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I've talked to a lot of people off air.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Nobody can explain to me how they have managed to
bring in their second and third string into leadership roles
with no one has even suggested that there has been
an attempt at a coup when you look at when
this has happened in the past, where a leader goes
down in Pakistan. In most countries, you have a coup
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where the military that was providing the security realizes, hey,
we don't need the political guy, and then you have
within the military, you have a battle, and whoever emerges
from that becomes the leader. And now he's not democratically elected.
The Irani leadership is not in any sense democratically elected.
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Fascinating thing about Iran when you dig deep into what's
going on there, is that this regime is extraordinarily unpopular,
extraordinarily by the more secular Iranis, by young Iranis, by
those who've ever left the country and seen anything outside
of Iran and recognize how backward their country has become
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and was not always. In the mid to late seventies,
pre revolution, Iran was a hotspot for international tourism. Iran
was a leader in science and industry, commerce, transportation, art, cuisine.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It was a.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Culture and the backward Shia Islamic Revolution was plunged them
into the depths of despair. It's tragic to see the
only other modern country I can think of it, it's
not nearly as bad on that level would be Egypt.
(12:05):
And then you could say the same for Cuba for
slightly different reasons, but they're both.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
They're all religious.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
What if you want to use an expansive view of
the word religious Andrew Europe Sir, go ahead, Hey.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Michael, how's it going. I'm horrified with what's going on.
Trump didn't run on this so on one hand, or
an intimate threat, but yes, they've been a problem for
four or seven years. You know, I had some of
the viewers North Korea has nukes and delivery systems, China
has nukes, Russia has nukes, so I'm sure I ran
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looked at what happened to Kadafi and Ukraine if they
didn't have nukes, so I wouldn't blame them for wanting
to have them as a bargaining chip. Iran was a
threat to Israel, not to US. And you know, one
of the callers had said, why aren't the Europeans getting involved?
Apparently they didn't think Iran was a threat. And I'm horrified,
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and I hope they come to a deal. Because I
think this could go terribly, terribly wrong. I believe it
already has.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Would you say it already has? What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (13:18):
I mean, as far as i'm I've read different things
where the death counts higher, the wounded is higher. Planes
going down refueling that's bs they've been shot down. The
planes that went down over Kuwait that wasn't friendly fire.
So we're not being told what's going on. You know,
I've heard from different people that know people still in
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the military morales low. Nobody wants to go. You know,
when we went to Iraq the first time, people thought
they were fighting for nine to eleven, Like, these guys
are going into the fight saying to themselves, why are
we here? You know, this was Israel's problem. And you
know when people say, oh, Iran's been attacking us, they
haven't been coming over here and attacking us. We're in
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their backyard, you know, in a sense. And I deployed twice.
I love this country, I love my military. I did
love Trump. I feel like he's turned his back on us.
You know, he said the border economy, no wars, Okay,
he did good on the border. Eggs went down as
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the only thing that went down, duel went down, back up.
He's done nothing. And then you know he has the
audacity to say, when we're done here, we're going to
Cuba boom. That's why we voted for you. So I'm
I'm I'm furious, I really am. And these guys that
think this is some call of duty game or we'll
go in and get them. You have no idea and
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say this stops tomorrow. Let's say it does. You know
how much terrorism now we have to deal with. I mean,
we killed a girls' school and from my understanding was
the colonels and general's daughters. You know, I heard about it.
Terrorist attack that happened in the US. The guy got
his whole family killed. I don't know about you, but
if you killed my whole family, you might call me
(15:08):
a terrorist. I'd go nuts. So some of these people
might act terroristic. I mean, we've been blowing up their
country for Israel because of the Greater Israel project, you know.
I mean, they're attacking Lebanon, talking about we need to
attack Turkey. So what I thought this was because I
ran had nukes and Trump said he decimated the nuclear site.
(15:28):
So which one is it? Did you take out the
nukes or do they have nukes? And you know North
Korea has nukes? Are we gonna nuke them? I just
think this is a bs. It makes me think they
got something on Trump. I don't know even how he's
talking about this a minor detour from the economy. I'm
disgusted and everyone should be horrified. You know, I called
(15:51):
you up in twenty twenty and I mentioned about what
was going on in the military, and it was to
have draft at some point with all the trans and
letting everybody in, and I said, you know, this is
probably going to lead to a draft, you know, but
I'm just I'm horrified. Michael and.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Michael, back to the calls we go. You know, an
interesting thing is happening on this Iran issue. The Democrats
aren't needing to participate. There is a civil war among
Republicans over this issue. And if your only answer to
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that is that everybody who disagrees with the president.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Is a bad person, a bad actor.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Has bad intentions, if that is your only argument, and
by the way, if those people were fellow travelers with
you over the last last ten years on every other issue,
and if your support for this is because Donald Trump
is for it, and then you shoehorn, you shoehorn some
arguments behind it. I think you have to start asking
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yourself some questions, because that sounds more like a cult
than a republic. The president can be wrong, and whether
you realize it or not, the president can change the
actions he takes based on the voter's response. The most
(17:34):
telling thing I take out of the last couple of
months with regard to President Trump is that Susie Wiles,
who was behind Pambondy and a lot of other problems
we've had, and Tom Thune, we're pushing Trump to support
Cornyn in the runoff, and Trump gave the indication he
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was going to, and he said something about Paxton that
shocked people because it was very clear he was going
to endorse Corning. And then there was a grassroots wave
against it, and he heard about it. And once he
heard about it and he saw the polls, he told
the people around him, and he told the Texans who
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had talked to him, why didn't y'all tell me this before?
I had no idea. He was not aware how unpopular
Cornin was in Texas. He was relying on people to
be bold enough to give him the counsel of hearing
what he didn't want to hear. You do not serve
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a person in leadership by failing to tell them the truth.
That is a disservice. That is how organizations and nations fall.
There is not as broad as support for war in
Iran as some people believe. Is it the right thing
to do if you think so, sure, but I'm telling
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you that the support for it, forget the Democrats, the
support for it amongst Republicans is not there.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It is simply not there.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I don't believe it is there across the board of
service members. We have been in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan,
three conflicts where veterans came home those who survived with
very different views of war than we had in past years.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'll say that for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And by the way, the ghost of Ronald Reagan is
doing backflips over the idea that the great accomplishment of
Reagan was that we took Grenada, that poor fellow. But
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without that we wouldn't have the great Clint Eastwood film
Heartbreak Ridge Gunny Highway, which is Eastwood meets his new
Marine recomplatoon.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
My name is Gunnery Sergeant Highway and I've jumped more
beer and more blood, bang, more busted more. All you
numbnuts put together. The major powers has put me in
charge of this recomplatone.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We take care of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You couldn't take care of dream.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
God loves you. I know that you men.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Do not.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Pre conplatoon kicks.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But oh you ladies think you can slept and slide
just because your last saship was a short term. We're
just marking the days were queer bait. I start acting
like marines right now.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Because I want to take long showers with you, and
I don't want to get my head shot off in
some far.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Away land because you don't blab blah. Come friend here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You yes, I'm here to tell you all that life
as you know I as you might as well all
go to town tonight. You might as well laugh and
make fools of yourself. Rub your pathetic little up against
your honey. Here are sticking that not holding the fence.
But whatever it is, get rid of it because it
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goes six hundred tomorrow. Your ass is mine.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To the phone lines we go. Let's go to Michael
D in Grapevine.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You're up, Michael.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
You know, I'll be listening to all this and following
it all from a former intelligence analyst perspective, and this
has been a long time coming. I don't know that
it's being done right. Another aspect to it is, uh,
geopolitical and economic. Ever since the end of or War One,
(22:00):
when that part of the world was divided up into
various countries, when it was once Prussia, the city of
London and its financial institutions basically earned it all. I
think this is a reset.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, I think it's a reordering of the world as
we know it one way or another under the Trump regime, NATO.
You know, when you consider the fact that England is
basically a bank, that's that's the last vestige of a
dying empire. The United Kingdom is not much more than
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a bank today, and a bank they are a bank
for the rest of the world, but their prowess in
you know this, There was coal to Newcastle, there was
industrial might, there was a real thriving empire. The sun
never set on the English Empire. And now you're left
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in this way and they've retracted into a refugee camp
for Middle East Muslims and a bank for all intents
and purposes, and I think there is a reset. I
think that's a very very good way to say this.
And to be clear, I am absolutely in favor of
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weakening Iran.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
In the region.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I think that's good for the region and it's probably
good for the world the extent to which we weaken them.
You know, you can learn most eighty percent of a language,
supposedly street level language, in two weeks, and it takes
another four years to complete the other twenty percent. I
do think there becomes a diminishing return at some point,
and we're simply arguing over where that diminishing return is.
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Matt you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Go ahead, Hey, good mornings. I really enjoyed the spirited debate.
Thank you this morning. I just want to offer a
perspective real quick about the specific targeting of the power plants.
So in effect, if that does happen, and I believe
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Donald Trump has painted himself in quite a bit of
a corner because if he doesn't act on it, it's
kind of an empty threat. But that's not hearing it there.
But what we're doing by destroying the power grid is
we're going to harm we will debilitate the IRGC to
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some extent, but we will harm the general population, those
that we're trying to protect or nurture or develop. So
I think the greatest consequence of something like that is
really an effect the civilians in Iran, and I think
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it's the wrong move honestly.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, the problem is, I mean, I think that most
people would argue that the Israeli incursion into Gaza and
the pr campaign.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That came after that was a disaster for Israel.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Regardless of what they did and why they did, it
was a disaster for their feel There's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
For other of the phone lines we go last segment
on this, we have a guest.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We moved from nine to ten.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But it's another conversation I want to have, and that
is plaintiffs attorneys. Are they the most horrible human beings
in the history of mankind? Well, yes, until you need one.
We all lived through the era of ambulance chasers driving
good doctors out of the state product liability, meaning nobody
(25:53):
wanted to create new products, every transaction fraught with fear
of a lawsuit and seemingly planning's lawyers getting rich overnight.
Slipping falls being manufactured did we go too far on
tour reform This conversation we'll have in the next segment.
If I haven't pissed off everybody today, then hang around
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your next Chuck, you're up.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (26:17):
Yeah, I just kind of wanted to chime in some
different things people were talking about. And I guess maybe
I'm reflecting upon the Middle East as a pastor. I
refer to Job chapter twelve and verse twenty three, where
God is basically saying that he builds nasons and he
tears them down. God uses evil nations to carry out
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his purpose and plan, and he uses good nations the
same way. And I think we all need to come
to grips if we know anything about the Word of God,
that there's never going to be peace in the Middle
East until Jesus is sitting on King David's throne. And
that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Amen, I like it. Sid you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Hey, Michael, I want to start out by a compliment.
I think you're the best radio talk show host on the.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Air right now.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
But the reason I'm calling this because I am a
Trump supporter, but I support him about seven out of
ten times and now vote for him for those seven
reasons and not against him.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
For the three.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I do believe, like he does, that if we did
not in Iran's nuclear program, they would develop a new
and they would use it. I believe Trump when he
says it, and I believe that a lot of senators
and congressmen who have heard the briefings accept that. But again,
(27:44):
you know, that's just an opinion. The other thing that
I wanted to say about Trump that I strongly disagree
with him, I strongly disagree, is he should stop telling
the Iranians what he's going to do next.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Look, I just heard.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
On I think it was your radio show, that the
Iranians are asking people to lock arms around there the
electrical power plants, and that is the cause President Trump
told them what he wanted to do. And I just
and that is really upsetting to me.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But well, let me say this said from Lobock, I
think you have to understand Trump, and he's a much
more complicated leader than we've ever seen. First of all,
when he when he announces what he's going to do,
it is not lost on him that they can take
(28:40):
they can they can take measures to prevent that. He
doesn't want to do that. What he's doing is the
the art of the deal. He would rather what he
wants is a deal. What he wants now is an exit.
He wants an exit. He'll declare victory and move. Ask
(29:00):
this by November. That's what he wants. He wants to
get out with dignity and grace. He wants to be
able to claim some success, and there has been. He
wants to minimize the debts, and there have been. And
he wants this to be an effort his legacy to
have been success in Iran when the leaders before him did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Not have any. That's the goal.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But he needs Iran's help to do that, and so
he can't ask him nicely, Hey help me out. So
he threatens them, I'm going to bust you across the jaw.
If you don't do what I'm saying, I'm going to
I'm going to destroy your power grid.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And the goal.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
There is that they say he's got the power to
do it, He's willing to do it, and now he's
given a deadline. Now the deadline hens everyone in and
Iran is doing everything they can to psychologically study him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trump can pivot against what he said on a dime.
We can wake up tomorrow, we haven't bombed the power plants.
If Iran doesn't capitulate, we can wake up tomorrow and
he can say, well, that's just what I did. And
everyone who loves Trump will say, yeah, he was just
negotiating with him. No one will say no one who
likes Trump will say he promised to bomb the power
(30:24):
grid and he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No one will no one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Who supports him already is going to say that what
he's trying to do is get a deal done and
get out of there. I don't think that's what Netanyahu wants.
I think that's what Trump wants. And I think Trump
is in a position now where he is looking for
a graceful exit from this uh and to declare mission
accomplished and move back to areas where he has greater
(30:50):
support among his his base, move back to you know,
we had, we had the TSA scandal, the the debacle
that was a current, and because Trump was so distracted
with Iran, he couldn't do what his gut would have
told him to do. Trump is a domestic affairs president.
That's where he shines. He is not a war guy,
(31:13):
and he wasn't elected to be a war guy. That's
the Bushes. They love war. That's Lindsey Graham. He's having
a wargasm over in the corner because he can't believe
we're getting to drop bombs and kill people. I give
an example, a woman named Carrie Anne writes me Zar,
I have been very disheartened by this whole thing because
I can't figure out the why. Trump's never been a
war guy? So why why now? What information or was
(31:36):
it their plan to assassinate him that escalated?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Did the war guys in his circle get to him
all of the above. I feel like there's a piece
of the puzzle missing. I think a lot of people do.
I think a lot of people recognize this is out
of character for Trump. This is inconsistent with Trump one
point zero and Trump two point oh prior to this,
Grabbing the Venezuelan leader and bringing him here was a
very different effort. I think a lot of people have
(32:02):
come to understand how powerful Iran was. Iran was providing
the security to Basher Asad to maintain control in Syria.
They had enough spare parts to put the IRG down there,
to be able to have a satellite state in Syria.
Iran and the Houtis are the Houtis are their hit men.
(32:24):
Iran is a very powerful force in the region. And
they're not Venezuela. It's a very they're not Cuba. And
we're learning that, or the American public is learning that.
And this would not be an overnight success. I will
remind you we rolled into Iraq in two thousand and
(32:47):
three and this thing was supposed to be over and
Trump flew in with the mission accomplished leather jacket and
regretted it for the entirety of his presidency, and we
ended up with Barack Hussein Obama, who I'm sorry, Bush,
George W.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Bush.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Spirited discussion. I don't ask you to come to a conclusion.
I don't have a conclusion. I'm asking questions. I don't
know the right answer. You know, we can simply do
nothing with Iran, and they are a problem. I don't
doubt that they are a problem. Do we leave them be?
I don't know. Do we attempt to do we attempt
to get to the underground bunkers which cannot simply be
(33:26):
bombed because they've been buried too deep. That's going to
be at great cost and men on the ground. That's
also true. There is not an easy answer here right
this is a complicated brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Do we do it or not? I don't suggest there
is an easy answer. I suggest we talked about it.
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