December 6, 2024 • 18 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to discuss what the main issues are with the Seattle Seahawks offense right now, the Cardinals game coming up this week, Lions Head Coach Dan Campbell, Sataloa Laumea, and a new college football playoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As part of our never ending coverage for the twelfth
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(00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
I love having Humiling here on the air with us
every Friday, tking on bushes.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I don't want it to be about Dad.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Normally at five o'clock, but today at three o'clock we
got cracking hockey coming up.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Okay, that's pure nonsense.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So we're off here a little bit early. But he
joins us right now on the telephone. Heree, how are
you fell?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm good. You guys are feeling jolly man, Get it
a little bit and time off and yeah, look at it.
Good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
What's that time off? What do you mean? Time off?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Once we're done here at three point thirty, we're gonna
go put together a show from Monday and meet and
talk about our our scheme from Monday, our game plan,
from Monday. We've got a big show meeting that will
last until problems. Yeah, never sleep man, that's right. Yeah,
no time to sleep. Time to leave you, no time
to sleep.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And in the in the in the airport, all right, Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, before we get going with the Seahawks in Arizona
and maybe your thoughts on the weekend that's coming up
in college football. We've had a couple of people on
the air that have kind of tried to give their
take on the Seahawks offensive struggles. Corbin Smith was on
yesterday and really kind of went after Ryan Grubb, and
then Greg Cosell was on to day with I it
really kind of went after the offensive line. So give
(01:35):
us your thoughts on I'm kind of where you land
with the struggles overall from a thirty five thousand foot
view for the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, first of all, I have a high degree of
respect for Greg Cosell's opinion and his knowledge. So when
you know, if Greg Coseel says something, I generally listen.
I'll just say this. I started playing tackle football all
over fifty years ago, played twenty five years, I coached
twenty four years in youth in high school. Been an
(02:06):
analyst here for twenty six years. I'm a nerd. Got
a big white sweeping monitor where I watch a lot
of tape, and I'll just make an analogy. Like in
my playing days. You know, you got a lift, and
you know, sometimes you're doing sets it at and sometimes
you're doing sets it to seventy five. Sometimes you're doing
(02:29):
sets it to twenty five. Then every once in a while,
you put three plates and a dime on each side
of that barbell, and you look at that barbell and
you go, damn, that's gonna take everything I got, all
my strength because that's three hundred and thirty five pounds,
and if I'm gonna get under that bar, I better
get going. And that's how I feel as an analyst
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when I talk about the offensive coordinator and their role
in the problem, because I try and approach it scientifically.
I take an observed phenomenon, which is a lousy offense,
and then I try and find the causes and I
have to watch a heck of a lot of tape
to see, well, is that a poor plan? Is that
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a poor call at the time? Is that a poor execution?
Is that poor execution? Because they don't have the players,
and it's very improbable that they ever could execute that play.
Or is that poor execution from a player that is
capable of usually doing it but he just didn't do
it on that occasion. I have to take every ounce
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of knowledge that I have acquired watching football for over
fifty years and studying this game, every single ounce and
gram of knowledge, before I feel like I can assess
an offensive coordinate. So these guys, they're just throwing out comments, Okay,
knock yourself out. But for me, you know, Wally Website,
(03:59):
I'm not listening to that guy because I'm not like
there's a lot of guys out there. I am not
listening to that guy.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Wow, And I'll bite my.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Tongue on some other stuff, but I would just say
this anybody unless I can, I can say, put on
handam a grease pen and say, get up on the whiteboard,
draw me your three favorite offensive plays and your three
favorite defensive plays as if you were installing it in
front of a team and a staff, and every freaking detail. Okay,
(04:30):
what's the split? Why? What's the lead do on an
overhang defender? What do you do against an overfront? What
do you do against an under what do you do
against the bear? What do you do for a four
week overload? And all? What's the splits, what's the what's
the breaking angle? Like every detail. If I can't hear
a guy that can give me something that impresses me,
I'm not listening to a guy who wants to may,
(04:51):
who has an agenda because he loves the quarterback and
he's made it clear that he loves the quarterback. Now
he's gonna well on the offensive coordinator because it feels
his narrative about how he loves the quarterback. No thanks,
I'll pass on that analysis. That's just he asked me
my opinion. That's my opinion. You're free to have your
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own opinion. But that's how I approach. When I hear
the analysis, the quote unquote commentary about an offensive coording
in the NFL, I think it's damn hard. It's the
hardest thing I do as an analyst.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, you, nobody would question Ryan Grubb's success as a
coordinator over the last two years at Washington, but he
was blessed with a lot of talent and he and
he really didn't have that great a defense on the
other side. I mean, they had to put up points
to win, There's no question about it. I kind of
feel like we're in the opposite situation here. He's not
blessed with any talent on the offensive line to speak of,
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and this defense is really coming together, and you said
it would. I mean I was on when Softie was
gone like four weeks ago. You were like, I see
a lot of championship caliber pieces on this offense or
on this defense. They're going to start coming together, And
you're exactly right. My question is this, should he be
as aggressive as he was at Washington when the whole
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scenario was different than it is here, or should he
pare it down, use punts as his friend and try
to win games seventeen to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, that's a fair question. I mean that's the model
that certainly I was indoctrinated in Husky football. You know,
Don James believed in if you have a great defense,
you got a good kicker, like a Jeff Jagger. And
the Seahawks have a white hot kicker right now, they
got a really good punter. They can flip the field
then be a little bit more conservative. Yeah, if the
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Seahawks can continue on the trend, that they've been at
for the last four weeks, Dick, where they have given
up We're talking about the defense now, not special teams
and pick sixes. In the four quarters of the last
four games, they've given up fifty points twelve and a
half per That's second in the NFL, by the way,
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parenthetically Arizona Cardinals are number one. But but yeah, if
if your defense can play to that level, you can
certainly play the conservative field position, no turnover game. I
think that grub what he's tried to do. And I've
seen him, you know, there was a time where he's gone, hey,
I'm gonna do empty backfield and I'm gonna go five
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out protection, I'm gonna get the ball out of my hands.
And then and then, you know, all the while not
being able to run the football. Then you look at
me and say, Okay, maybe the best way to score
points is just hope we can get a chunk play
in this drive, you know, and max protect and get
a chunk play and and move and get a big play,
and that'll be resulting in the few points that we need.
(07:46):
So so I think he's probing and and I'll say this,
I do think and I've commented, I've said, like, I'm
not going to evaluate Grubb in season one. I'm gonna
need to see him through season two because I think
it's harder to construct an offense. And the same way
you would give a rookie quarterback or other rookie players,
(08:07):
you'd say, well, okay, that's pretty good for a rookie
can I can see having that evaluation and that lens
through which I evaluate Grub. I think he's gonna be
a lot better next year. I think he's a really
bright guy who works his ass off, who has a
layered understanding of offensive and defensive football. And I think
he's going to be a good offensive coordinator because I
(08:29):
think he has the horsepower to do it, and I
think he has the potential to be a top five
or ten coordinator. I don't necessarily expect it to happen
in the halfway through for year one. Yeah, with a
really really subparwer offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Hey, Hugh milling with us, and I want to throw
a curveball at you if I can. All right, I mean, look,
we pay a lot of money for the show and
for this segment, and we expect.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Complete performances out of you.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Did you hurst off for everything.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, did you happen to watch the Packers Lions game
last night?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, I was in the desert with some friends
the California desert and having a great time catching up.
It's very rare that I would have missed it, But no,
I Well.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Then, okay, then, just in general terms, I think you
know about how aggressive Dan Campbell is. Right, all of
us know how aggressive he is. Last night, Detroit leading
twenty four to twenty one, and they go forward on
fourth and one from their own thirty one yard line
and they get stopped and green Bay four plays later
scores a touchdown to make it twenty eight to twenty four. Now,
(09:31):
the Lions eventually won the game, obviously, but that's a
guy that a lot of people would say. Man, if
you're a Lion fan and you're in the NFC Championship
again or the Super Bowl. I saw my buddy HOWK
Blogger even meant to mention this that Dan Campbell could
be the reason why the Lions win the Super Bowl
and he could be the reason why they lose it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and then tell him about the end of the
game where he win it for it on fourth and
inches in the right high ball game.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I mean, what do you make of just how aggressive
he is period?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Well, I think that he's probably navigating the injuries that
he has on defense right now, and he's feeling like
I have an elite offense right and as a general rule,
he's going to say, let my offense win this thing
and not put my defense on the field for them
to lose it. Given that they're they have upwards of
seven guys on off starters off their defense, that would
(10:24):
be just a thought. I look, I think that there's
been times where it's too uh too aggressive. I mean again,
I mentioned Don James. I have a certain imprint on
my my formative years in football, and so yeah, some
of these I don't I didn't like it when Mike
McDonald was going for it. Uh you know, I know
his punter was banged up, but dude, put anybody back
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there but Lake and Tomlinson that let it, let him
try and pun it. I don't care, like, don't go
for it. And so I I understand that the analytics
have pervaded the game and they tell us that we
should be more aggressive than we thought we needed to
be a generation to go. But i'd share you concern.
I think Dan Campbell could have one of those Dan
(11:11):
Landing moments that you know, the team of Dans can
be really volatile, and I would imagine their fans are
a little bit edgy because of it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, Hugh, I'm gonna keep up with traditions. Seems like
every week I'm asking you about a new rookie that's
getting their first legitimate playing time. I asked you about
Tyree Knight, I asked you about Ola, but Timmy now
sata Oa lameya. Give me your breakdown of what you
saw in his first game.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, I think that there are some good things there.
I think he was stronger than he was athletic. I
don't really love his feet, but I think he's strong
enough that if he's a little bit off balance, or
he kind of misses a guy center cut, he kind
of misses his target with his hands, I think he's
got the strength to recover. I am a little bit
(12:04):
concerned that, you know, months six weeks from now, that
his lack of foot quickness and agility will prove to
be a problem. But look, I'm evaluating the guy on
his first his first start, and really his first appearance,
and so I think it was, you know, barely passing
and you know, got a little better as the game
(12:25):
went on. But you know, that's just one of the
issues that is raised about John Schnyder, who's buying large
a highly regarded GM, but for whatever reason, he has
felt like offensive guards are just can be put plug
and played that you don't need to expend a lot
of resource for it. So now we're dealing with the sixth,
sixth round converted right tackle rookie that's popped in and
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playing right guard, and that's what we're trying to make
a playoffs with.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well here, I mean, here's my issue, man, and I
I obviously I'm with you on the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I think all of us agree on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But you know what, John Schneider's been here now for
fifteen years along with Pete Carroll, and they've never really
proven they can build an offensive line consistently. I mean, look,
we're gonna go to the offseason probably looking for a
new left guard. Tomlinson's gonna be thirty three in February's
on a one year deal. I don't know if Ulu
has shown anything that you would just automatically say no
to any other option at center, and Lemea has shown
(13:19):
nothing to obviously say no to any other option at guard,
and Christian Haynes can't even find the field.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I mean, we're gonna be doing the same song and.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Dance Hugh over the offseason talking about the draft, talking
about free agency, looking for interior offensive lineman. Why should
I be confident as a Seahawk fan that they can
fix this?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, you shouldn't, because history is shown that they haven't
fixed it. It's been a long time, and we've been
talking about this going well back to Russell Wilson's prime
of his career, and you know, I almost wish, you know,
in the same manner. I don't know why my mind
thinks of it this way, but you know, Jerry Depoto,
for all of the criticism that he absorbs and and
(14:02):
rightfully so, the guy's been pretty remarkable at assembline and
finding and targeting and acquiring starting young starting pitchers, right
and and you know, maybe he fails at all the
other aspects. I almost feel like, can we find the
dude who's buy and largest C minus GM but for
some reason has just been able, you know, whether it's
(14:25):
well Detroitch guy's an eight plus guy. But you know
what I mean, Dick, right that that just find a
guy that's That's the one thing that he was able
to do is build an offensive line, and he sucked
at everything else. Let's get that guy, right, make him
the czar of offensive line acquisition, Hugh.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Changing the subject to college football, I thought Rick Newheisl
presented an interesting scenario that he would like to see
this weekend of college football become. He says, you know,
why do we need why do we need Penn State
against Oregon when both teams are going to be playing
in the college football playoffs? Why don't we do lay
in games like they do in Dayton for the NCAA tournament.
He wants to see Alabama against Miami winner in loser out.
(15:06):
He wants to see Boise against Old Miss winneror in
loser out. What do you think about that that scenario?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Well, does in fact, just the facto raise the number
of teams who are technically in the tournament? I mean,
a playing game is is all you're doing? Is is
you know, It's like the college tournament is now sixty
eight right right? So No, I've always felt like there's
Dave you gonna hate because I've been doing this for
twenty five years. Goldilocks in the port, not too hot,
(15:34):
not too you want to avoid.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Just find a new nursery rhyme.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
For God's sake, please, Jackson, can you please give me
a new nursery on Please?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I need old father and the old father. Hubbard went
to the cupboard. Don't don't give me the.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Version.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I think that I think you want to avoid two extremes.
I don't. I think you want to avoid having too
few teams. Certainly go back to the BCS when there's
only two teams. That was too few. I think you
want to have let's let's pick an extreme that we
can all probably agree on, thirty two or sixty four.
I think that that this, this part, this fact is indisputable.
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The more teams you bring in, you do water down
the importance of the regular season, right and and some
of the impact of those games. So to me, I
liked the idea of eight. I thought that idea a
would be perfect. I'm very warm to twelve. I can't
wait to see twelve. But what Rick is describing is, now,
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what do we you know? I don't even know how
many playing? Like yeah, I mean, are we talking sixteen twenty. Yeah,
I don't know. I think that we're all going to
learn a lot this weekend. What we do not want
to have is any team any diminishing of the incentive
(17:02):
of this weekend. For example, Uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Here, we got one minute. By the way, David, just
so you know, we got one minute.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, I don't want a team that loses a conference
championship to get ousted. I don't want teams to say,
you know, that five spot, that five hole is a
better path to a championship than winning the championship game.
So we've got to eliminate any of those type of incentives.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
All right, man, good work, Uh, enjoy the weekend, and
we'll talk next Friday.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Pal, Thanks buddy, it's a big one.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Sunday. I got a whole page here of like what
if the Seahawks lose and like I start looking out
of these numbers, Dave, you guys need to talk about
this this time.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We gotta go, no doubt lose, all right, we gotta go, Yeah,
we gotta go. Sorry, we gotta get to a break.
I'm sorry, I apologize. I feel terrible cutting him off,
but we gotta go. Anybody wants to get more, Hugh,
shoot me a Twitter message and I'll give you his
phone number.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
You can give a call, all right. That's it for us,
As part of our never ending coverage for the twelfth
Man in the NFL. This is Football Fridays with Hugh
Millin sponsored by Tito's handmade Vodka Tito's on game Day
for me and coach fine cocktail recipes for the everyday
fan at Tito's Vodka dot com forty percent alcohol by volume,
namely eighty proof, crafted to be sacred responsibly. Now with you,
(00:23):
here's SOUTHI and dig.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I love having Humiling here on the air with us
every Friday, tking on bushes.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I don't want it to be about Dad.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Normally at five o'clock, but today at three o'clock we
got cracking hockey coming up.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Okay, that's pure nonsense.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So we're off here a little bit early. But he
joins us right now on the telephone. Heree, how are
you fell?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm good. You guys are feeling jolly man, Get it
a little bit and time off and yeah, look at it.
Good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
What's that time off? What do you mean? Time off?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Once we're done here at three point thirty, we're gonna
go put together a show from Monday and meet and
talk about our our scheme from Monday, our game plan,
from Monday. We've got a big show meeting that will
last until problems. Yeah, never sleep man, that's right. Yeah,
no time to sleep. Time to leave you, no time
to sleep.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And in the in the in the airport, all right, Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, before we get going with the Seahawks in Arizona
and maybe your thoughts on the weekend that's coming up
in college football. We've had a couple of people on
the air that have kind of tried to give their
take on the Seahawks offensive struggles. Corbin Smith was on
yesterday and really kind of went after Ryan Grubb, and
then Greg Cosell was on to day with I it
really kind of went after the offensive line. So give
(01:35):
us your thoughts on I'm kind of where you land
with the struggles overall from a thirty five thousand foot
view for the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, first of all, I have a high degree of
respect for Greg Cosell's opinion and his knowledge. So when
you know, if Greg Coseel says something, I generally listen.
I'll just say this. I started playing tackle football all
over fifty years ago, played twenty five years, I coached
twenty four years in youth in high school. Been an
(02:06):
analyst here for twenty six years. I'm a nerd. Got
a big white sweeping monitor where I watch a lot
of tape, and I'll just make an analogy. Like in
my playing days. You know, you got a lift, and
you know, sometimes you're doing sets it at and sometimes
you're doing sets it to seventy five. Sometimes you're doing
(02:29):
sets it to twenty five. Then every once in a while,
you put three plates and a dime on each side
of that barbell, and you look at that barbell and
you go, damn, that's gonna take everything I got, all
my strength because that's three hundred and thirty five pounds,
and if I'm gonna get under that bar, I better
get going. And that's how I feel as an analyst
(02:52):
when I talk about the offensive coordinator and their role
in the problem, because I try and approach it scientifically.
I take an observed phenomenon, which is a lousy offense,
and then I try and find the causes and I
have to watch a heck of a lot of tape
to see, well, is that a poor plan? Is that
(03:13):
a poor call at the time? Is that a poor execution?
Is that poor execution? Because they don't have the players,
and it's very improbable that they ever could execute that play.
Or is that poor execution from a player that is
capable of usually doing it but he just didn't do
it on that occasion. I have to take every ounce
(03:35):
of knowledge that I have acquired watching football for over
fifty years and studying this game, every single ounce and
gram of knowledge, before I feel like I can assess
an offensive coordinate. So these guys, they're just throwing out comments, Okay,
knock yourself out. But for me, you know, Wally Website,
(03:59):
I'm not listening to that guy because I'm not like
there's a lot of guys out there. I am not
listening to that guy.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Wow, And I'll bite my.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Tongue on some other stuff, but I would just say
this anybody unless I can, I can say, put on
handam a grease pen and say, get up on the whiteboard,
draw me your three favorite offensive plays and your three
favorite defensive plays as if you were installing it in
front of a team and a staff, and every freaking detail. Okay,
(04:30):
what's the split? Why? What's the lead do on an
overhang defender? What do you do against an overfront? What
do you do against an under what do you do
against the bear? What do you do for a four
week overload? And all? What's the splits, what's the what's
the breaking angle? Like every detail. If I can't hear
a guy that can give me something that impresses me,
I'm not listening to a guy who wants to may,
(04:51):
who has an agenda because he loves the quarterback and
he's made it clear that he loves the quarterback. Now
he's gonna well on the offensive coordinator because it feels
his narrative about how he loves the quarterback. No thanks,
I'll pass on that analysis. That's just he asked me
my opinion. That's my opinion. You're free to have your
(05:14):
own opinion. But that's how I approach. When I hear
the analysis, the quote unquote commentary about an offensive coording
in the NFL, I think it's damn hard. It's the
hardest thing I do as an analyst.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, you, nobody would question Ryan Grubb's success as a
coordinator over the last two years at Washington, but he
was blessed with a lot of talent and he and
he really didn't have that great a defense on the
other side. I mean, they had to put up points
to win, There's no question about it. I kind of
feel like we're in the opposite situation here. He's not
blessed with any talent on the offensive line to speak of,
(05:47):
and this defense is really coming together, and you said
it would. I mean I was on when Softie was
gone like four weeks ago. You were like, I see
a lot of championship caliber pieces on this offense or
on this defense. They're going to start coming together, And
you're exactly right. My question is this, should he be
as aggressive as he was at Washington when the whole
(06:09):
scenario was different than it is here, or should he
pare it down, use punts as his friend and try
to win games seventeen to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, that's a fair question. I mean that's the model
that certainly I was indoctrinated in Husky football. You know,
Don James believed in if you have a great defense,
you got a good kicker, like a Jeff Jagger. And
the Seahawks have a white hot kicker right now, they
got a really good punter. They can flip the field
then be a little bit more conservative. Yeah, if the
(06:42):
Seahawks can continue on the trend, that they've been at
for the last four weeks, Dick, where they have given
up We're talking about the defense now, not special teams
and pick sixes. In the four quarters of the last
four games, they've given up fifty points twelve and a
half per That's second in the NFL, by the way,
(07:03):
parenthetically Arizona Cardinals are number one. But but yeah, if
if your defense can play to that level, you can
certainly play the conservative field position, no turnover game. I
think that grub what he's tried to do. And I've
seen him, you know, there was a time where he's gone, hey,
I'm gonna do empty backfield and I'm gonna go five
(07:24):
out protection, I'm gonna get the ball out of my hands.
And then and then, you know, all the while not
being able to run the football. Then you look at
me and say, Okay, maybe the best way to score
points is just hope we can get a chunk play
in this drive, you know, and max protect and get
a chunk play and and move and get a big play,
and that'll be resulting in the few points that we need.
(07:46):
So so I think he's probing and and I'll say this,
I do think and I've commented, I've said, like, I'm
not going to evaluate Grubb in season one. I'm gonna
need to see him through season two because I think
it's harder to construct an offense. And the same way
you would give a rookie quarterback or other rookie players,
(08:07):
you'd say, well, okay, that's pretty good for a rookie
can I can see having that evaluation and that lens
through which I evaluate Grub. I think he's gonna be
a lot better next year. I think he's a really
bright guy who works his ass off, who has a
layered understanding of offensive and defensive football. And I think
he's going to be a good offensive coordinator because I
(08:29):
think he has the horsepower to do it, and I
think he has the potential to be a top five
or ten coordinator. I don't necessarily expect it to happen
in the halfway through for year one. Yeah, with a
really really subparwer offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Hey, Hugh milling with us, and I want to throw
a curveball at you if I can. All right, I mean, look,
we pay a lot of money for the show and
for this segment, and we expect.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Complete performances out of you.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Did you hurst off for everything.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, did you happen to watch the Packers Lions game
last night?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, I was in the desert with some friends
the California desert and having a great time catching up.
It's very rare that I would have missed it, But no,
I Well.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Then, okay, then, just in general terms, I think you
know about how aggressive Dan Campbell is. Right, all of
us know how aggressive he is. Last night, Detroit leading
twenty four to twenty one, and they go forward on
fourth and one from their own thirty one yard line
and they get stopped and green Bay four plays later
scores a touchdown to make it twenty eight to twenty four. Now,
(09:31):
the Lions eventually won the game, obviously, but that's a
guy that a lot of people would say. Man, if
you're a Lion fan and you're in the NFC Championship
again or the Super Bowl. I saw my buddy HOWK
Blogger even meant to mention this that Dan Campbell could
be the reason why the Lions win the Super Bowl
and he could be the reason why they lose it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and then tell him about the end of the
game where he win it for it on fourth and
inches in the right high ball game.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I mean, what do you make of just how aggressive
he is period?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Well, I think that he's probably navigating the injuries that
he has on defense right now, and he's feeling like
I have an elite offense right and as a general rule,
he's going to say, let my offense win this thing
and not put my defense on the field for them
to lose it. Given that they're they have upwards of
seven guys on off starters off their defense, that would
(10:24):
be just a thought. I look, I think that there's
been times where it's too uh too aggressive. I mean again,
I mentioned Don James. I have a certain imprint on
my my formative years in football, and so yeah, some
of these I don't I didn't like it when Mike
McDonald was going for it. Uh you know, I know
his punter was banged up, but dude, put anybody back
(10:49):
there but Lake and Tomlinson that let it, let him
try and pun it. I don't care, like, don't go
for it. And so I I understand that the analytics
have pervaded the game and they tell us that we
should be more aggressive than we thought we needed to
be a generation to go. But i'd share you concern.
I think Dan Campbell could have one of those Dan
(11:11):
Landing moments that you know, the team of Dans can
be really volatile, and I would imagine their fans are
a little bit edgy because of it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, Hugh, I'm gonna keep up with traditions. Seems like
every week I'm asking you about a new rookie that's
getting their first legitimate playing time. I asked you about
Tyree Knight, I asked you about Ola, but Timmy now
sata Oa lameya. Give me your breakdown of what you
saw in his first game.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, I think that there are some good things there.
I think he was stronger than he was athletic. I
don't really love his feet, but I think he's strong
enough that if he's a little bit off balance, or
he kind of misses a guy center cut, he kind
of misses his target with his hands, I think he's
got the strength to recover. I am a little bit
(12:04):
concerned that, you know, months six weeks from now, that
his lack of foot quickness and agility will prove to
be a problem. But look, I'm evaluating the guy on
his first his first start, and really his first appearance,
and so I think it was, you know, barely passing
and you know, got a little better as the game
(12:25):
went on. But you know, that's just one of the
issues that is raised about John Schnyder, who's buying large
a highly regarded GM, but for whatever reason, he has
felt like offensive guards are just can be put plug
and played that you don't need to expend a lot
of resource for it. So now we're dealing with the sixth,
sixth round converted right tackle rookie that's popped in and
(12:49):
playing right guard, and that's what we're trying to make
a playoffs with.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well here, I mean, here's my issue, man, and I
I obviously I'm with you on the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I think all of us agree on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But you know what, John Schneider's been here now for
fifteen years along with Pete Carroll, and they've never really
proven they can build an offensive line consistently. I mean, look,
we're gonna go to the offseason probably looking for a
new left guard. Tomlinson's gonna be thirty three in February's
on a one year deal. I don't know if Ulu
has shown anything that you would just automatically say no
to any other option at center, and Lemea has shown
(13:19):
nothing to obviously say no to any other option at guard,
and Christian Haynes can't even find the field.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I mean, we're gonna be doing the same song and.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Dance Hugh over the offseason talking about the draft, talking
about free agency, looking for interior offensive lineman. Why should
I be confident as a Seahawk fan that they can
fix this?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, you shouldn't, because history is shown that they haven't
fixed it. It's been a long time, and we've been
talking about this going well back to Russell Wilson's prime
of his career, and you know, I almost wish, you know,
in the same manner. I don't know why my mind
thinks of it this way, but you know, Jerry Depoto,
for all of the criticism that he absorbs and and
(14:02):
rightfully so, the guy's been pretty remarkable at assembline and
finding and targeting and acquiring starting young starting pitchers, right
and and you know, maybe he fails at all the
other aspects. I almost feel like, can we find the
dude who's buy and largest C minus GM but for
some reason has just been able, you know, whether it's
(14:25):
well Detroitch guy's an eight plus guy. But you know
what I mean, Dick, right that that just find a
guy that's That's the one thing that he was able
to do is build an offensive line, and he sucked
at everything else. Let's get that guy, right, make him
the czar of offensive line acquisition, Hugh.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Changing the subject to college football, I thought Rick Newheisl
presented an interesting scenario that he would like to see
this weekend of college football become. He says, you know,
why do we need why do we need Penn State
against Oregon when both teams are going to be playing
in the college football playoffs? Why don't we do lay
in games like they do in Dayton for the NCAA tournament.
He wants to see Alabama against Miami winner in loser out.
(15:06):
He wants to see Boise against Old Miss winneror in
loser out. What do you think about that that scenario?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Well, does in fact, just the facto raise the number
of teams who are technically in the tournament? I mean,
a playing game is is all you're doing? Is is
you know, It's like the college tournament is now sixty
eight right right? So No, I've always felt like there's
Dave you gonna hate because I've been doing this for
twenty five years. Goldilocks in the port, not too hot,
(15:34):
not too you want to avoid.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Just find a new nursery rhyme.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
For God's sake, please, Jackson, can you please give me
a new nursery on Please?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I need old father and the old father. Hubbard went
to the cupboard. Don't don't give me the.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Version.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I think that I think you want to avoid two extremes.
I don't. I think you want to avoid having too
few teams. Certainly go back to the BCS when there's
only two teams. That was too few. I think you
want to have let's let's pick an extreme that we
can all probably agree on, thirty two or sixty four.
I think that that this, this part, this fact is indisputable.
(16:17):
The more teams you bring in, you do water down
the importance of the regular season, right and and some
of the impact of those games. So to me, I
liked the idea of eight. I thought that idea a
would be perfect. I'm very warm to twelve. I can't
wait to see twelve. But what Rick is describing is, now,
(16:41):
what do we you know? I don't even know how
many playing? Like yeah, I mean, are we talking sixteen twenty. Yeah,
I don't know. I think that we're all going to
learn a lot this weekend. What we do not want
to have is any team any diminishing of the incentive
(17:02):
of this weekend. For example, Uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Here, we got one minute. By the way, David, just
so you know, we got one minute.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, I don't want a team that loses a conference
championship to get ousted. I don't want teams to say,
you know, that five spot, that five hole is a
better path to a championship than winning the championship game.
So we've got to eliminate any of those type of incentives.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
All right, man, good work, Uh, enjoy the weekend, and
we'll talk next Friday.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Pal, Thanks buddy, it's a big one.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Sunday. I got a whole page here of like what
if the Seahawks lose and like I start looking out
of these numbers, Dave, you guys need to talk about
this this time.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We gotta go, no doubt lose, all right, we gotta go, Yeah,
we gotta go. Sorry, we gotta get to a break.
I'm sorry, I apologize. I feel terrible cutting him off,
but we gotta go. Anybody wants to get more, Hugh,
shoot me a Twitter message and I'll give you his
phone number.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
You can give a call, all right. That's it for us,
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