March 14, 2025 • 15 mins
Jacson Bevens of Cigar Thoughts joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Seattle Seahawks adding Cooper Kupp today, the quarterback swap of Geno Smith to Sam Darnold, the excitement for the 2025 season, and evaluating John Schneider.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, joining us right now on the radio program. Your friend,
my friend, everybody's friend. You gotta be a real salt
the SOB to not like this guy that's our friend.
Jackson Bevans with us on the radio show, swinging by
to say hello, representing the Gino Defenders Club.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How are you, Pal?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm doing great, fellows, thanks for having me on on
our day with big wide receiver news resigning Cody White.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, huge, huge signing by the Hawks. Well, i'll tell
you what. We're gonna have you on the air. The
plan was to have you on the air and kind of,
you know, speak your mind on GINO and you know,
you know him take it off and Darnald coming in
and we'll get to all that in a second. But man,
Cooper Cup is in the Marcus Lawrence is in, Marcus Valdez,
Scandling is in. Sam Darnold is in. What do you
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make of all the moves the Hawks have made in
just the last few days.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Pal.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Uh mostly into it again like it just won't matter
if they can't block until you know, the jury's out.
Everyone knows this isn't some incredible insight on my part.
But it's been it's been ten years with me giving
John Schneider benefit of the doubt, in ten years of
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the offensive line stinking. So I think because the Cup
makes us a better team. I love what they're doing
on defense right now, like really love what they're doing
on defense right now. And I'm taking a wait and
see approach on Sam Donald because I am just not
convinced that they're better off the quarterback or even as good.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What about what the money factored in saving your twelve
to fifteen million dollars between Gino and Sam and getting
some compensation for Gino.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah? Yeah, the compensation, the money savings and the age
helped to bridge the gap. I think the Gino Smith
is better at everything than Sam Donald is. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, so I'm gonna tweet that out. I'm gonna Jackson.
I'm gonna unleash the Twitter hounds on ye. I gotta
send that quote out on social media. Go ahead and
finish your take on that.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Go ahead, it's all here. There's nothing I haven't said before. Yeah,
you know, I want to be wrong on that. I
was wrong about Geno. You know, I remember when Russ
was traded and the big debate was going to be
Geno Smith or d Locke, and I went on my
own show and said, you know, it doesn't matter because
these guys will be here after a year. So I'm
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always willing to change my opinion when there's compelling evidence
to the contrary. And you know, Smith gave us three
years a very compelling evidence, So I hope that happens
with Sam Darnold. I do think that he is a
good fit for the Kubiak style system. Again, you know,
it doesn't matter if God himself is the quarterback of
the Seahawks. If they can't block, yep, you know it
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won't matter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I want to make sure you get the quote right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think Geno Smith is better at everything than Sam
Donald is. Is that Fairgnant got it done Boom Post.
I do agree it's gonna line obviously. I mean, look
all these other moves they've made. I wouldn't call Sam
Donald a toy. You know, Cooper Cup mvs. DeMarcus Lawrence
maybe fall into that category. But you know, the Donald
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thing is obviously much bigger than that because he's the
most important position in sports. But I do agree with
you that they do need to get that line done
or none of this is really going to matter. So
they've got some money left to spend, They've got a
lot of draft capital. How much confidence do you have
in John Schneider Jackson for the first time, let's face it,
really since early in his career as a GM being
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able to turn this offensive line around.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Not very much, because it's been a decade. And you know,
the my my concern with bringing Donald in is that
he is a highly pressure sensitive quarterback. You know, the
the delta in performance for just about every metric between
Geno Smith when he had a queen pocket and when
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he was pressured is a lot, lot lot smaller than
the delta between Sam Donald's performance in a queen pocket
and when he's pressured. I want to believe that Sam
Donald is a major reason that the Vikings won fourteen games.
I'm old enough to remember that case Keenum won fifteen
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games with the Bikings and didn't do anything after that.
So we have a really really large sample size of
Sam Donald not being able to handle pressure. Hopefully there
is room for growth there. We have an even bigger
sample size of the interior Seattle's offensive line creating really
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quick pressure, and so I think that the baseline of
necessary ability up front has been raised by dringing. Sam
Donald because you don't have a quarterback would show the
ability to mitigate that as well as you know Smith did,
so Yeah. I do think, however, being able to use
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a lot more pre snapp motion to employ a you
know more twelve personnel, so so two tight ends, one
running back, two wide receivers instead of the eleven personnel
that'saw seat, I'll have three receivers on the field all
the time last year will help bootleg play action is
something Sam Donald does do well in that Kubiak Lee's
a lot of off of that wide zone scheme. So
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I think there's some stylistic fits where this could really work.
I just think the margin for air got a lot smaller.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It seems like if you voted in my poll that
I just put out that a lot of people have
voted on, you would not agree with the vast majority.
And the poll was how jacked for this season? Are
you compared to how you've been the last few years? Again, Yeah,
the pole I put more less and I also Dave
had a weasel option, which is about about the same
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seventy two percent more two percent less. I mean, it
is a landslide. There is something about getting rid of
Geno Smith and DK Metcalf that people really like around here.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Would you have gotten rid of Dk Metcalf? You already
said no about Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Would I have no? But I don't think it was
like a terrible decision, especially if you.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Know, if it had gotten to the point where, you know,
Metcalf had kind of made up his mind to go
somewhere else, then you know, I think letting someone else
say him that money and getting a mid second in
return is fine on a personal level.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know, I'm bummed. I think that your pull highlights
one of my frustrations with a lot of feedback that
I get from Seatt fans, which is to really not
only counted but very cool players suffering a lot of
unnecessary slings and arrows from fans hyper focused on a
(07:00):
few negatives and being willing to overlook a tremendous amount
of positives in order to focus on those things. So
I'm less excited about this season right also willing to
you know, reserve judgment and really hoping that I'm wrong.
I mean, you're not going to catch me, you know,
pouting if the Seahawks end up winning twelve games in
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the division because what I said in March isn't true.
That's that's not how I'm wired. I'm no interest in that.
But if I had to guess whether this team was
going to do better in twenty twenty five than he
did in twenty twenty four, I would take the under Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
All right, Jackson Bevans is with us just negative Nelly
with us on the air.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I know I'm kidding him.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
By the way, there's a lot of responses to the quote,
the money quote about Geno being better at everything than
Darnold is. Let's see Dean Miller with the laughing emoji.
Kyle Oakes give it a rest, it's over with Matt
Munt says you should stick to real estate.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Does anybody agree with Ben sand savor? Jackson has some
weird ass obsession over Gino? Give it a rest man, Yeah,
are there are? But doesn't no fun to read. There's
a lot of people that agree with you out there.
So what is what for you? And maybe it is
just Jackson again, Jackson Bevans with us on the here.
Maybe it is just about the wins and losses, which really,
in the end is all people should care about. But
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what does Sam Darnold need to do. What does he
need to show you in year number one to make
you feel like this was worth it?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, he said it in his own press conference. I
need to get the ball out on time. Like that's
something that he's never that he's never done. He was
able to not get the ball out on time in Minnesota.
It's the first time in his career that he's been
in a situation where he didn't have to throw the
ball quickly. And not coincidentally, it is the first time
in his career that he had successive quarterback So can
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he change that after the seven years in the league.
I hope.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
So.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, we thought tremendous growth from Gino Smith's late
in his career. So and and you know, look, I
know it's it's easy. This is people are going to
respond on Twitter and to what's being said on the radio.
You know, it tends to be super binary. And I
get it. That's that's fine. We want to put things
into a box and do away with nuance. And you know,
(09:20):
I get it. I have defended Geno Smith and so
a lot of folks who have grown up in this
era of you know, forced argument. Sports coverage are going
to say, Oh, you know you're glazy, Gina. You think
he's the lead, and you think he's always thinks Now,
I don't belive he's Joe Burrow. I'll be Josh. I
don't think he's Patrick Mahomes. I think he's roughly the
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twelfth best quarterback in the NFL, and I think the
average fan severely underestimates how hard it is to improve
on the twelfth best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think the frustration lies in just the constant either
missing the playoffs or barely making the playoffs, and now
Geno's price tag goes up so much more. Deep case
price tag goes up so much more. I mean that
for I think most people. I think most people liked Gene.
I think most people really like DK Metcalf. But if
you can't get there with them making a modicum of money,
(10:12):
you're not gonna get there with them making a heck
of a lot more money, are you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well. I'm going to push back on the idea that
Geno's money or DK's money has in the past or
would have in the future, precluded John Snyder from spending
money on the offensive line, but he has never done it.
And you know, Schneider's strength have been at the skill
positions on offense. He's done a phenomenal job bringing quarterback talent,
running back talent, and receiving talent. Like that's great. But
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the reason that the Seahawks haven't won more than nine
or ten games and barely miswinning the division. We're acting
like this is this awful thing isn't because a quarterback
player wide receiver play. I think that is willful ignorance
if that is the perspective people are taking. Getting worse
at quarterback and receiver only is going to help this
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team get better if those funds and the draft picks
and everything else that you get back are put to
work in a real productive way offensive line. And we
have seen nothing in a decade to suggest that John
Schnyder is capable of doing that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, I'll just tell you what I told Dick earlier,
that Schnyder's kind of putting his balls out there.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know, if this doesn't work and they and they
go backwards, he's he's next. I mean, you fire a
head coach, you get rid of two quarterbacks, and Russell
Wilson now and Geno Smith and trade maybe your best
offensive player in DK Metcalf and a lot of people's eyes.
You're putting the cleag lights squarely on you, so we
know that he is. He is not concerned about that
because he made moves that would be a terrible reflection
of him if they don't work. Hey, Jackson, listen, man,
(11:44):
great stuff. Appreciate this and we'll talk soon. Buddy and
joining the weekend pal.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
All right, love you guys, Thanks for the champion.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I got it man, now, no doubt Jackson Bevans with us.
And I mean, just going back to your poll about
like the excitement level for the Seahawks. I mean, I
can just speak for myself. I am more excited today
than I was two weeks ago. I'm thrilled about the
Cooper Cup signing. We did a show about a month
ago where all three of us asked each other, are
we ready to just move on from Gino Smith?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And we all said yes.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Now, I will tell you this, when we all said
yes on the air, I thought for sure that meant
good things for Gino Smith and Seattle. And we're going
to look like idiots. They're going to resign the guy.
He's going to be the MVP of the NFL. We're
gonna look stupid, right, So never did I really imagine
that they would do this and get rid of him
and move him. I thought they would restructure the deal,
drop the salary cap, hit down a little bit, and
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the guy'd be a Seahawks. So I was ready to
move on. You both were ready to move on. The
Cooper Cup thing now comes down. They get the number
one available quarterback and free agency, they save somebody. I
feel like the Hawks have turned a corner. Now the
offensive line will be the rocket ship that will decide
how fast they go. I feel like they're on the
way back, and I feel like the energy is coming
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back to the vMac man.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's just the way I feel right now. Good time.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
That's why what Jackson said about his excitement level for
the twenty five season. I mean it's like it's like
one Jackson is on the dark side and then there's
me on the good side, and.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You're usually negative, negative, right.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Like, honestly, like my excitement level for this season, like
it's miles higher than it was for the last couple
of seasons, because.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like it's new, it's new, it's something exactly. It's new.
It might be a disaster, but it's new.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I can't even understand how your excitement level could be
less than last season.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
There was a lot of what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
There was a lot of when something just feels tired
and old, I mean, give me something else, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it just felt it just it just felt stale.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You knew if they brought back Geno and DK, you
would have known the outcome of the season before the
season even started.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
But what if, what if they would have gone out
and they would have signed Dolman and they would have
traded for Joe Tooney and Jonah Jackson and then kept
Geno Smith. Well, they restructure contracts and blah blah blah.
I'm just saying, not those three guys specifically, But if
they would have proved the offensive line that much, traded
up for the best guard in the draft or taking
that guy at number eighteen, loading up on offensive lineman,
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I think people would have felt good then too. Yes,
if they would have hung onto Gino, they would have
hung on the DK, but really just said, you know what,
we're gonna throw everything we got on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But having said that there are still a lot of people,
including me, that just.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
See a ceiling on Gino Smith agree.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
No matter how good the offensive line is, there's a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Jackson said it himself.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's probably the twelfth best quarterback in the in the NFL.
At times he's been the twelfth best. At times he's
been the sixteenth best. Its time has been the twentieth best.
So I'd could probably call him more around fifteenth. But
they got now than twelve. They got to ten wins
with a horrible offensive line.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If they had a really good offensive line, could they
have been a twelve thirteen win team. I don't know,
maybe eleven win division whatever we're gonna break. We'll get
some more texts on this. We'll look at the text line,
do some fun with audio at five forty five. Look
you make the call at six and then Dan Bilsma,
as long as they keep winning, he's gonna keep coming
on the show right before the game with Utah tonight
at six fifteen or so on ninety three three KJRFM
Well, joining us right now on the radio program. Your friend,
my friend, everybody's friend. You gotta be a real salt
the SOB to not like this guy that's our friend.
Jackson Bevans with us on the radio show, swinging by
to say hello, representing the Gino Defenders Club.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How are you, Pal?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm doing great, fellows, thanks for having me on on
our day with big wide receiver news resigning Cody White.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, huge, huge signing by the Hawks. Well, i'll tell
you what. We're gonna have you on the air. The
plan was to have you on the air and kind of,
you know, speak your mind on GINO and you know,
you know him take it off and Darnald coming in
and we'll get to all that in a second. But man,
Cooper Cup is in the Marcus Lawrence is in, Marcus Valdez,
Scandling is in. Sam Darnold is in. What do you
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make of all the moves the Hawks have made in
just the last few days.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Pal.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Uh mostly into it again like it just won't matter
if they can't block until you know, the jury's out.
Everyone knows this isn't some incredible insight on my part.
But it's been it's been ten years with me giving
John Schneider benefit of the doubt, in ten years of
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the offensive line stinking. So I think because the Cup
makes us a better team. I love what they're doing
on defense right now, like really love what they're doing
on defense right now. And I'm taking a wait and
see approach on Sam Donald because I am just not
convinced that they're better off the quarterback or even as good.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What about what the money factored in saving your twelve
to fifteen million dollars between Gino and Sam and getting
some compensation for Gino.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah? Yeah, the compensation, the money savings and the age
helped to bridge the gap. I think the Gino Smith
is better at everything than Sam Donald is. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, so I'm gonna tweet that out. I'm gonna Jackson.
I'm gonna unleash the Twitter hounds on ye. I gotta
send that quote out on social media. Go ahead and
finish your take on that.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Go ahead, it's all here. There's nothing I haven't said before. Yeah,
you know, I want to be wrong on that. I
was wrong about Geno. You know, I remember when Russ
was traded and the big debate was going to be
Geno Smith or d Locke, and I went on my
own show and said, you know, it doesn't matter because
these guys will be here after a year. So I'm
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always willing to change my opinion when there's compelling evidence
to the contrary. And you know, Smith gave us three
years a very compelling evidence, So I hope that happens
with Sam Darnold. I do think that he is a
good fit for the Kubiak style system. Again, you know,
it doesn't matter if God himself is the quarterback of
the Seahawks. If they can't block, yep, you know it
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won't matter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I want to make sure you get the quote right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think Geno Smith is better at everything than Sam
Donald is. Is that Fairgnant got it done Boom Post.
I do agree it's gonna line obviously. I mean, look
all these other moves they've made. I wouldn't call Sam
Donald a toy. You know, Cooper Cup mvs. DeMarcus Lawrence
maybe fall into that category. But you know, the Donald
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thing is obviously much bigger than that because he's the
most important position in sports. But I do agree with
you that they do need to get that line done
or none of this is really going to matter. So
they've got some money left to spend, They've got a
lot of draft capital. How much confidence do you have
in John Schneider Jackson for the first time, let's face it,
really since early in his career as a GM being
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able to turn this offensive line around.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Not very much, because it's been a decade. And you know,
the my my concern with bringing Donald in is that
he is a highly pressure sensitive quarterback. You know, the
the delta in performance for just about every metric between
Geno Smith when he had a queen pocket and when
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he was pressured is a lot, lot lot smaller than
the delta between Sam Donald's performance in a queen pocket
and when he's pressured. I want to believe that Sam
Donald is a major reason that the Vikings won fourteen games.
I'm old enough to remember that case Keenum won fifteen
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games with the Bikings and didn't do anything after that.
So we have a really really large sample size of
Sam Donald not being able to handle pressure. Hopefully there
is room for growth there. We have an even bigger
sample size of the interior Seattle's offensive line creating really
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quick pressure, and so I think that the baseline of
necessary ability up front has been raised by dringing. Sam
Donald because you don't have a quarterback would show the
ability to mitigate that as well as you know Smith did,
so Yeah. I do think, however, being able to use
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a lot more pre snapp motion to employ a you
know more twelve personnel, so so two tight ends, one
running back, two wide receivers instead of the eleven personnel
that'saw seat, I'll have three receivers on the field all
the time last year will help bootleg play action is
something Sam Donald does do well in that Kubiak Lee's
a lot of off of that wide zone scheme. So
(05:30):
I think there's some stylistic fits where this could really work.
I just think the margin for air got a lot smaller.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It seems like if you voted in my poll that
I just put out that a lot of people have
voted on, you would not agree with the vast majority.
And the poll was how jacked for this season? Are
you compared to how you've been the last few years? Again, Yeah,
the pole I put more less and I also Dave
had a weasel option, which is about about the same
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seventy two percent more two percent less. I mean, it
is a landslide. There is something about getting rid of
Geno Smith and DK Metcalf that people really like around here.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Would you have gotten rid of Dk Metcalf? You already
said no about Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Would I have no? But I don't think it was
like a terrible decision, especially if you.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Know, if it had gotten to the point where, you know,
Metcalf had kind of made up his mind to go
somewhere else, then you know, I think letting someone else
say him that money and getting a mid second in
return is fine on a personal level.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know, I'm bummed. I think that your pull highlights
one of my frustrations with a lot of feedback that
I get from Seatt fans, which is to really not
only counted but very cool players suffering a lot of
unnecessary slings and arrows from fans hyper focused on a
(07:00):
few negatives and being willing to overlook a tremendous amount
of positives in order to focus on those things. So
I'm less excited about this season right also willing to
you know, reserve judgment and really hoping that I'm wrong.
I mean, you're not going to catch me, you know,
pouting if the Seahawks end up winning twelve games in
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the division because what I said in March isn't true.
That's that's not how I'm wired. I'm no interest in that.
But if I had to guess whether this team was
going to do better in twenty twenty five than he
did in twenty twenty four, I would take the under Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
All right, Jackson Bevans is with us just negative Nelly
with us on the air.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I know I'm kidding him.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
By the way, there's a lot of responses to the quote,
the money quote about Geno being better at everything than
Darnold is. Let's see Dean Miller with the laughing emoji.
Kyle Oakes give it a rest, it's over with Matt
Munt says you should stick to real estate.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Does anybody agree with Ben sand savor? Jackson has some
weird ass obsession over Gino? Give it a rest man, Yeah,
are there are? But doesn't no fun to read. There's
a lot of people that agree with you out there.
So what is what for you? And maybe it is
just Jackson again, Jackson Bevans with us on the here.
Maybe it is just about the wins and losses, which really,
in the end is all people should care about. But
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what does Sam Darnold need to do. What does he
need to show you in year number one to make
you feel like this was worth it?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, he said it in his own press conference. I
need to get the ball out on time. Like that's
something that he's never that he's never done. He was
able to not get the ball out on time in Minnesota.
It's the first time in his career that he's been
in a situation where he didn't have to throw the
ball quickly. And not coincidentally, it is the first time
in his career that he had successive quarterback So can
(08:54):
he change that after the seven years in the league.
I hope.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
So.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, we thought tremendous growth from Gino Smith's late
in his career. So and and you know, look, I
know it's it's easy. This is people are going to
respond on Twitter and to what's being said on the radio.
You know, it tends to be super binary. And I
get it. That's that's fine. We want to put things
into a box and do away with nuance. And you know,
(09:20):
I get it. I have defended Geno Smith and so
a lot of folks who have grown up in this
era of you know, forced argument. Sports coverage are going
to say, Oh, you know you're glazy, Gina. You think
he's the lead, and you think he's always thinks Now,
I don't belive he's Joe Burrow. I'll be Josh. I
don't think he's Patrick Mahomes. I think he's roughly the
(09:42):
twelfth best quarterback in the NFL, and I think the
average fan severely underestimates how hard it is to improve
on the twelfth best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think the frustration lies in just the constant either
missing the playoffs or barely making the playoffs, and now
Geno's price tag goes up so much more. Deep case
price tag goes up so much more. I mean that
for I think most people. I think most people liked Gene.
I think most people really like DK Metcalf. But if
you can't get there with them making a modicum of money,
(10:12):
you're not gonna get there with them making a heck
of a lot more money, are you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well. I'm going to push back on the idea that
Geno's money or DK's money has in the past or
would have in the future, precluded John Snyder from spending
money on the offensive line, but he has never done it.
And you know, Schneider's strength have been at the skill
positions on offense. He's done a phenomenal job bringing quarterback talent,
running back talent, and receiving talent. Like that's great. But
(10:41):
the reason that the Seahawks haven't won more than nine
or ten games and barely miswinning the division. We're acting
like this is this awful thing isn't because a quarterback
player wide receiver play. I think that is willful ignorance
if that is the perspective people are taking. Getting worse
at quarterback and receiver only is going to help this
(11:02):
team get better if those funds and the draft picks
and everything else that you get back are put to
work in a real productive way offensive line. And we
have seen nothing in a decade to suggest that John
Schnyder is capable of doing that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, I'll just tell you what I told Dick earlier,
that Schnyder's kind of putting his balls out there.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know, if this doesn't work and they and they
go backwards, he's he's next. I mean, you fire a
head coach, you get rid of two quarterbacks, and Russell
Wilson now and Geno Smith and trade maybe your best
offensive player in DK Metcalf and a lot of people's eyes.
You're putting the cleag lights squarely on you, so we
know that he is. He is not concerned about that
because he made moves that would be a terrible reflection
of him if they don't work. Hey, Jackson, listen, man,
(11:44):
great stuff. Appreciate this and we'll talk soon. Buddy and
joining the weekend pal.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
All right, love you guys, Thanks for the champion.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I got it man, now, no doubt Jackson Bevans with us.
And I mean, just going back to your poll about
like the excitement level for the Seahawks. I mean, I
can just speak for myself. I am more excited today
than I was two weeks ago. I'm thrilled about the
Cooper Cup signing. We did a show about a month
ago where all three of us asked each other, are
we ready to just move on from Gino Smith?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And we all said yes.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Now, I will tell you this, when we all said
yes on the air, I thought for sure that meant
good things for Gino Smith and Seattle. And we're going
to look like idiots. They're going to resign the guy.
He's going to be the MVP of the NFL. We're
gonna look stupid, right, So never did I really imagine
that they would do this and get rid of him
and move him. I thought they would restructure the deal,
drop the salary cap, hit down a little bit, and
(12:33):
the guy'd be a Seahawks. So I was ready to
move on. You both were ready to move on. The
Cooper Cup thing now comes down. They get the number
one available quarterback and free agency, they save somebody. I
feel like the Hawks have turned a corner. Now the
offensive line will be the rocket ship that will decide
how fast they go. I feel like they're on the
way back, and I feel like the energy is coming
(12:54):
back to the vMac man.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's just the way I feel right now. Good time.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
That's why what Jackson said about his excitement level for
the twenty five season. I mean it's like it's like
one Jackson is on the dark side and then there's
me on the good side, and.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You're usually negative, negative, right.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Like, honestly, like my excitement level for this season, like
it's miles higher than it was for the last couple
of seasons, because.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like it's new, it's new, it's something exactly. It's new.
It might be a disaster, but it's new.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I can't even understand how your excitement level could be
less than last season.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
There was a lot of what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
There was a lot of when something just feels tired
and old, I mean, give me something else, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it just felt it just it just felt stale.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You knew if they brought back Geno and DK, you
would have known the outcome of the season before the
season even started.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
But what if, what if they would have gone out
and they would have signed Dolman and they would have
traded for Joe Tooney and Jonah Jackson and then kept
Geno Smith. Well, they restructure contracts and blah blah blah.
I'm just saying, not those three guys specifically, But if
they would have proved the offensive line that much, traded
up for the best guard in the draft or taking
that guy at number eighteen, loading up on offensive lineman,
(14:07):
I think people would have felt good then too. Yes,
if they would have hung onto Gino, they would have
hung on the DK, but really just said, you know what,
we're gonna throw everything we got on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But having said that there are still a lot of people,
including me, that just.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
See a ceiling on Gino Smith agree.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
No matter how good the offensive line is, there's a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Jackson said it himself.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's probably the twelfth best quarterback in the in the NFL.
At times he's been the twelfth best. At times he's
been the sixteenth best. Its time has been the twentieth best.
So I'd could probably call him more around fifteenth. But
they got now than twelve. They got to ten wins
with a horrible offensive line.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If they had a really good offensive line, could they
have been a twelve thirteen win team. I don't know,
maybe eleven win division whatever we're gonna break. We'll get
some more texts on this. We'll look at the text line,
do some fun with audio at five forty five. Look
you make the call at six and then Dan Bilsma,
as long as they keep winning, he's gonna keep coming
on the show right before the game with Utah tonight
at six fifteen or so on ninety three three KJRFM
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