May 1, 2025 • 20 mins
Lance Zierlein of the NFL Network joins Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen to discuss each of the Seahawks draft picks, Grey Zabel and his rise in the draft, the “curious” pick of Jalen Milroe and his future in the NFL, the “steal” of Tory Horton, plus Elijah Arroyo.
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How are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Doing well?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
How do we do it today? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Appreciate you doing this man, Love having you on every
single week let's just start at the top, man and
get your thoughts on the Seahawks draft Grey Zabel. Hawks
have not drafted an offensive lineman interior lineman that high
since Steve Hutchinson twenty four years ago, and he became
a Hall of Famer. What kind of career do we
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think grey's Abel's gonna have.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I think a solid good I think he's a solid
football player. I think he's an early starter.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
He can play two positions, which is always nice to
have center guard ability, especially inside the game. I'm sure
he'll start off as a guard over there, and you
know he's got good strength. There's a big step up
in competition going from SCS to the NFL, but you know,
he definitely showed well at the Senior Bowl, so he
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stepped up against better competition and played really, really well.
So I think gray's Abel is one of the guys
who probably rose up the ranks in terms of expected
draft positioning faster than anyone. I don't know if there's
anyone I remember who you know had a more meteoric
rise from the perceived draft spot to where he ended up.
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So yeah, I think he's a good football player, and
I think he's going to be a good fit for
what Seattle wants to do.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Well, let's stay right there to what factors do you
account that he had that kind of meteoric rise? What
what what happened to cause that?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Well? Yeah, I think it's basically, you know, anytime you
have an FCS player, and especially an SCS offensive lineman,
you know, you have to see what you're working with
from a strength standpoint when they're tested by much bigger players.
I look at SCS linemen all the time. I watch
North Dakota State all the time. I mean, they have
somebody coming out all the time, and you know, the
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players that go up against though, are much much smaller,
they're much less explosive, not even close to being on
the NFL level for the most part. And so I think,
you know, I attributed to he got to there was
talk about maybe a third round type of player, maybe
second round, and he got to the Senior Bowl and
like every rep was a good rep and his one
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on ones every single rep, and he was going up
against some big guys, some.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Big, powerful players.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So the strength checked out there, the hand placement and
technique checked out, and he just he just he didn't
look like the moment wasn't too.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Big for him.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
He looked extremely confident against these players from Power five conferences.
So I think that's when that's when everything started shooting
up for him, is where everyone said, Okay, forget the
sts tag, let's just look at him as a standard
prospect now and let's you know, let's let's let's see
what he does along the way at Combine and see
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what the measurements look like. And honestly, there was three.
There was three interior players, Donovan Jackson, Tyler Booker, and
Greys Abel who were kind of the big three, and
they all went in the first round. So I think
that really spoke volumes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Would you have taken Zabel over Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I've got Jackson a little bit higher, But once you
get to once you get to these guards, the matter
of it's a.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Matter of your taste.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Like you know, Zabel, I think is maybe a little
bit a little bit nastier from a demeanor standpoint.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think Booker's the nasty and nastiest of all.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But he may be, and he was drafted twelve by
the Cowboys, but he also might be a little more
limited frankly than Zabel and Jackson. I think Jackson has
the cleanest profile of all pedigree, athleticism, size, length, all that.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
But you know he was the third one to go.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So I think it's just a matter of what teams
were looking for, and I think in terms of zone scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Stuff, Zabel and Jackson both fit the bill.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
To be honest with you, Lance Zerlin with us and
Lance says, we look at the whole list of Seattle
Sea ok draft picks. I'd like to if you could
imagine yourself as a Sea Oork fan, and I'd like
you to say how excited you would be for these
guys relative to the position that they were picked in
the draft, Like, please don't tell me that you're more
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excited about Zabel than Ricky White, right because one was
the eighteenth pick. Another guy was, you know, on the
tour in thirty eighth pick. But just factoring where they
got drafted, who would you be Name one or two
of these guys that you say you're most excited about
when considering where they were taking.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, give me a favorite. Run him down for me,
because I don't have it right here in front of me.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Okay, so I'll tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So, so with the fiftieth.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He got nicky right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, very excited where they where they got him
first round caliber tellent, I'll give you just quick comments
on all of them.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I thought that I think he's you know.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
They're gonna see some some people are gonna want to
see Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He's not a killer like Cam Chancellor in terms of
in the middle of the field blowing people up. But
what he is has tremendous size and explosiveness and range.
So he's got he's everything that you want in terms
of in terms of you know, coverage, field coverage, so
he can play down low, he can play over the top.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
He's kind of a he's a dual threat safety.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Like if he just turns it on all the time,
if he's motivated at all times, he's a phenomenal talent.
He's just got to get it cranked up all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah that you know, it's funny that you said that, Lance,
because his position coach Tory and Gray from South Carolina
was on with us a couple hours ago and he
said almost the exact same thing. I think I think
Hugh asked him, what would be something that you tell
him He's got to do to survive, and he said,
never be content, and he kind of felt like he
insinuated that maybe he was a little too content at times.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So interesting, you got the same take.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
But Elijah Royo, Jalen Milroe, Riley Mills from Notre Dame,
Tory Horton from Caloro State, Robbie Yots tight end, halfback
for fullback whatever from Alabama, Bryce Cabaldoo the lineman from Kansas,
Damian Martinez Miami, Mason Richmond who started like forty games
at left tackle at Iowa, was a seventh rounder. And
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then Ricky White the receiver from you and OV.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, that's a really good draft. Like cable Do is A.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He's a He's a player who I think is gonna
make this team and he'll end up being a He'll
be he'll end up being an NFL starter at some point.
Really tough, big, physical, his play tackle, He's a natural guard.
He was a really good pick. Uh there when when
when they Uh? When the Seahawks got him? Milroe's interesting.
I think Milrod is a curious pick because I don't
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see him as a full time starting quarterback in the future.
I just I don't think that I don't think the
accuracy is just ever gonna fix.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
But you don't have to have it fully fixed.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
As long as he's making explosive plays with his legs,
it's like a sliding scale, like you can have him.
He just needs to be functional as a passer and
explosive as a playmaker. The problem is, when you want
to win at the highest level, you got to be
able to win a little bit better from the pocket.
So I think I think this is just Seattle saying,
let's get this incredibly explosive talent and after l and
let's get him in camp and let's see if we
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can turn him into a quarterback. And if we can't,
we've got an athlete. We're gonna figure something else out.
Uh uh, something else with him after after him? You
mentioned let's see before Milroe, who.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Did you have.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There's another one I really liked in Miami.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, I like Arroyo a field stretcher. I wasn't quite
as high. I feel like he's more of a third.
But I'm the low man. I'm the low man in
all the draft on him. Everyone else absolutely loves him,
and I'm talking about teams everybody. Now, he's had some injuries,
so I don't know that he's injury prone. He's just
had injuries that have slowed him down. So that was
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one of the things that I thought early and early
in the process this this year. He wasn't playing as
fast as he did by the end of the year
because he still had to get healthy. So Arroyo Milroe
and then the oner after Milroe. I remember, I liked
who you had there.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Uh you want the list, I'll give you the list. Uh, well,
who was it right after? Right after Milroe?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It was uh Riley Mills defensive tackle Notre Dame. GI
give me one more, Yeah, Robby Alabama.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
All right, So Horton is a fantastic Horton is a steel.
Horton's an absolute steel. This guy is going to be Hey,
Seattle's gonna love him, an absolute.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Steel the same way, you know, the the same way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh, who's the.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Guy you just lost Kansas State?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Lockett? Yeah, Lockett.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I remember when Lockett came in, and I'm like, they
stole Lockett and Lockett was fantastic. Horton's going to be
a steal also, terrific player, really really impressed a football player.
I think he's gonna make a I think he's gonna
make I think he's going to start the factor early
on for Seattle. Riley Mills has an injury or he
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would have gone even higher. He's he's you know, he's
coming back from a torn a cl this year maybe
a red shirt year for him. But I tell you what,
he is a problem on the interior. He can play
as a big, he can play as a three technique
and play otter even front, so he can play, you know,
in either type of defensive scheme, and he just plays
really hard. And you see that number ninety nine. You
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see his body type. You know you kind of want
to you have to guard against the JJ Watt stuff
just a little bit. And he's not JJ Watt, but
when you watch him play, he plays hard like what JJ.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Did coming out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So there are you know, I do see some similarities
when JJ came out. Now the player JJ Watt became
was just a superhero. So that's you know, it's a
little bit different, the pro version versus the college version.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Robbie Oots.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So when I wrote him up, I finished watching him
and I must suspend probably fifteen minutes trying to figure
out what I wanted to say on this really what
he is as a fullback. They listen him as a
tight end because I just he was so fun to watch.
And I said, you know, and I and in my
draft profile and you can google it and read it
if you want. I said, he's built like a doc worker.
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Who here's I'll just tell you what he He's like
a dockworker with three kids, who's got a squat rack
in his in his in his garage, and he's just
out there and he just squats for fun. Like he's
a hard nosed, blue collar player. They played him at
tight end. He can get out in space. He didn't
test wealth combine, but I'm telling you he's way quicker
than you think he's going to be. He will hit
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you and hit you with some ferocity. He was the
only fullback that was going to be drafted. Well I
wasn't sure he's going to be drafted, but I'm glad
he was because he's going to be a starting fullback
out of this class.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And see that's what.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I I think the Hawks for his many picks, I
think eleven, right, I think they had eleven picks they're
gonna I mean, I can see nine of them making
them and that's that's unheard of. I mean, it's absolutely
unheard of. But everyone John Schneider was grabbing. I'm like, yeah,
he's a make a guy. Yeah, he's a make a guy.
He's a make a guy. So I thought, up and
down they they grab guys to me that weren't really
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reaches Like I didn't. I didn't see any reaches on
the board, to be honest with you. Now, Finley Mills,
they could probably could have got him even later, and
he may have fought, but he deserved the tape, deserve
he deserved to be drafted inside the first you know,
four or five rounds. So you know, you certainly understand
that because John's drafting the tape, he's not drafting the
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fact that you know you're only gonna get three out
of four years on him. So I thought the draft
class was terrific because it was filled full of guys
who are gonna make this roster.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So Lance zerline with us.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Let's circle back to your comments about Jalen Milroe, because
I think what you said is you don't expect that
he will ever have the accuracy to be a serviceable
starting quarterback, equality starting quarterback, and and if that's the case.
Is it worth it for a third round if he's
just kind of a gussied up Taysom Hill like like
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just kind of amplify your evaluation of Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, you know, I think what we have to do
is you got to step outside the box a little
bit with Jalen Milroe because I would argue to Taysom
Hill has been a really valuable member of the New
Orleans Saints. I mean he can do a lot of things,
especially as you get close to scoring, when you're trying
to convert third downs, when you're getting close to the
end zone. He's been very, very valuable. I think he
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can become a serviceable quarterback. But I mean, first of all,
we have to define serviceable and number two, you're playing
to win championships. So I don't think he's a quarterback
that you start like. I don't think he's ever going
to be Lamar Jackson. Lamar has gotten a lot better
as a passer. He was better coming out of college
as a passer than Jalen Nolrahe I've watched two seasons
of Jalen on tape. He really struggled this year with
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accuracy decision making. I'm not sure that's going to change drastically.
He has an arm that can push it down the field,
and he can be explosive with his arm. He can
be really explosive with his legs. I just think right
now we're dealing with the player who the NFL really
hasn't seen a player like this at quarterback. You're talking
about linebacker, will linebacker size, wide receiver, speed and explosiveness,
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and then you know the ability as a runner, like
like a breakaway running back in the open field, and
it's in at the quarterback position. The NFL's has never
seen this. So I think what Seattle's doing is saying, hey,
let's draft this freak daddy and let's see what we got.
You know, there was talk about him going in the first,
and I always thought that was preposterous.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I thought he's going a second. Frankly, in the third.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's pretty got me because you've got a
guy who does things that no one else can do
at that position. You just got to figure out the
best way to use him, and maybe he ends up
being a gadget guy. I'll tell you this. Third round
quarterbacks are typically backups. That's who they are and what
they are. You tell me, you give me a backup
that runs a four three forty, I mean, and that
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you can put in situations on third and short and
fourth and short and you're probably not gonna stop him
from getting.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The first down.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I mean, it's tremendous value in today's NFL for that.
So I think it's I'm really interested to see how
Seattle use them. Do they bring them along slowly and
try to give them standard quarterback? I wouldn't I get
him on the field and put the ball in his
hands as quick day one, right, and figure it out
while I'm helping to groom in his quarterback. I want
him on the field, help him because he's got special
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athletic traits.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, he's not gonna be your number two or number
three quarterback and name only right, I mean having him
sitting on the bench holding a clipboard seems like a
waste of a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, but like you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Said, I mean, the last time the Hawks drafted a
quarterback in the third round, lance his name was was
Russell Wilson and he wins seventy fifth overall. So look,
I'm not saying he's going to be Russell Wilson. I'm
with you on the arm. You and I are in
lockstep on that. But I do wonder Lance explain to
people when we do see Jalen Milroe play. Do we
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see the Seahawks institute the tush push. Do we see
him run off guard. Do we see him on fourth
and inches with the shotgun and the wildcat and just
grab the ball and get his ass right up the
A gap behind center? Do we see Mike McDonald now
on fourth and six inches from his own thirty five
yard line be aggressive and bring this guy in the
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game and get that first down and not punt the
ball away. What does reality look like on game day
for Jalen Milroe starting in week one?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, you may stick Robb Boots in there with him,
right you know, you drafted his fullback, so you may
stick him in there. And my guess is it's going
to be direct snap power. Got him around the left side,
the right side. You don't want to you don't want
to run him in the A gap. All that off
And I mean this is he's got good size. He's
not Jalen Milroe a six hundred pounds squad quarterback. I mean,
I'm sorry, Jalen hurts. Yeah, you know it's you want
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to take advantage of his explosiveness. But remember he can
pass like you cannot just sell out to the power.
He can give you a little fake look and throw it.
So I think, you know, a really creative like a
Ben Johnson. I can only imagine what now the Chicago
head coach would do with a player like Jalen Milroe.
And I think what Seattle has to do is really
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come up with package place because you can now use
him to counter. You can create counters off of his
power runs. You can show the run and then create
because he's a real quarterback, Like, he can throw it.
He's not the most accurate quarterback, but he's a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
This isn't a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You know, this isn't a player who played quarterback in
high school. And so he can throw it a little
bit for trick plays. No, you have to if it's
fourth and one, you have to factor in that if
he takes off running, he could also throw it. You know,
he could also throw to a wide receiver. That's fakes,
blocking and releases. Like, There's a lot you can do
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with a player like that, And that's why I'm really
interested to see. I'm excited to see what Seattle's going
to do with him.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Final minutes here with Lance Zuerlein. Lance, I also want
to go back to what you said about Eliza Arroyo
and see where we may differ. Because when I watch
the tape, I see a guy that moves, got a
lot of wide receiver. I don't know traits about his movement,
and I couldn't believe he was six' five and an
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eighth and two, Fifty and then of course there's just the,
knee and then it got re injured at The Senior
bowl and he couldn't do it the. Combine SO i
think that that's what dropped him to. Fifty you you
weren't as high on. Him is that because of the
tape or are you just, Saying, HEY i love the,
tape BUT i hate the injury kind of where are
you on a?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Royal? Now?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Listen he was SOMEBODY i wrote In, december my tape
is running or, NO i wrote him In, november my
tape is running. Behind SO i watched him the first
six games AND i wrote him off first six. Games
i'll just tell you right, now he'said. Guy BECAUSE i
have to get. STARTED i got four hundred and fifty
players a, RIGHT i got to get, started and SO
i got, started and BEFORE i got my last tape,
update which is a big, One i've seen him in you,
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know five LIKE i, said five or six. Games the problem,
IS i think by the end of the year he
was moving much better and much. Faster so the VERSION
i saw at The Senior bowl was a lot different.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Than the version THAT i watched on.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Tape so that's there's the difference that accounts for the
difference is the version is The Senior. Bowl the longer
the play went, on the harder he gets because he's
got build up. Speed if you give him a two
and three level route kind of cross country routes that
cross the, hashes you're gonna have a really hard time
gardener because he gets faster and faster and. Faster and
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just like you, Said, hugh he's got real wide receiver
movements like he can really you, know there's a lot
of a lot of smoothness out of his breaks that
cause you, know linebackers to completely lose.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Coverage and the words Of Scott, farrell one of the
founding fathers of sports talk radio in this, country UH
i cannot be the man because you're the.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Man all, Right, lance great.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Stuff, Man appreciate this and let's try and hook up
maybe over the.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Offseason, appreciated.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Buddy, yeah you got LANZERLINE nfl dot. COM i want
to come back and get you to kind of react
to what you heard From lance there The Jalen milroe, Stuff,
HUGH i think is, again what does reality look like
On sunday when When Jalen milroe finally hits the.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Field what does that look like to? You? Right we'll
talk about that next on ninety three to THREE. Kjrfm
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How are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Doing well?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
How do we do it today? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Appreciate you doing this man, Love having you on every
single week let's just start at the top, man and
get your thoughts on the Seahawks draft Grey Zabel. Hawks
have not drafted an offensive lineman interior lineman that high
since Steve Hutchinson twenty four years ago, and he became
a Hall of Famer. What kind of career do we
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think grey's Abel's gonna have.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I think a solid good I think he's a solid
football player. I think he's an early starter.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
He can play two positions, which is always nice to
have center guard ability, especially inside the game. I'm sure
he'll start off as a guard over there, and you
know he's got good strength. There's a big step up
in competition going from SCS to the NFL, but you know,
he definitely showed well at the Senior Bowl, so he
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stepped up against better competition and played really, really well.
So I think gray's Abel is one of the guys
who probably rose up the ranks in terms of expected
draft positioning faster than anyone. I don't know if there's
anyone I remember who you know had a more meteoric
rise from the perceived draft spot to where he ended up.
(02:10):
So yeah, I think he's a good football player, and
I think he's going to be a good fit for
what Seattle wants to do.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Well, let's stay right there to what factors do you
account that he had that kind of meteoric rise? What
what what happened to cause that?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Well? Yeah, I think it's basically, you know, anytime you
have an FCS player, and especially an SCS offensive lineman,
you know, you have to see what you're working with
from a strength standpoint when they're tested by much bigger players.
I look at SCS linemen all the time. I watch
North Dakota State all the time. I mean, they have
somebody coming out all the time, and you know, the
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players that go up against though, are much much smaller,
they're much less explosive, not even close to being on
the NFL level for the most part. And so I think,
you know, I attributed to he got to there was
talk about maybe a third round type of player, maybe
second round, and he got to the Senior Bowl and
like every rep was a good rep and his one
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on ones every single rep, and he was going up
against some big guys, some.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Big, powerful players.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So the strength checked out there, the hand placement and
technique checked out, and he just he just he didn't
look like the moment wasn't too.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Big for him.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
He looked extremely confident against these players from Power five conferences.
So I think that's when that's when everything started shooting
up for him, is where everyone said, Okay, forget the
sts tag, let's just look at him as a standard
prospect now and let's you know, let's let's let's see
what he does along the way at Combine and see
(03:48):
what the measurements look like. And honestly, there was three.
There was three interior players, Donovan Jackson, Tyler Booker, and
Greys Abel who were kind of the big three, and
they all went in the first round. So I think
that really spoke volumes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Would you have taken Zabel over Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I've got Jackson a little bit higher, But once you
get to once you get to these guards, the matter
of it's a.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Matter of your taste.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Like you know, Zabel, I think is maybe a little
bit a little bit nastier from a demeanor standpoint.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think Booker's the nasty and nastiest of all.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But he may be, and he was drafted twelve by
the Cowboys, but he also might be a little more
limited frankly than Zabel and Jackson. I think Jackson has
the cleanest profile of all pedigree, athleticism, size, length, all that.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
But you know he was the third one to go.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So I think it's just a matter of what teams
were looking for, and I think in terms of zone scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Stuff, Zabel and Jackson both fit the bill.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
To be honest with you, Lance Zerlin with us and
Lance says, we look at the whole list of Seattle
Sea ok draft picks. I'd like to if you could
imagine yourself as a Sea Oork fan, and I'd like
you to say how excited you would be for these
guys relative to the position that they were picked in
the draft, Like, please don't tell me that you're more
(05:05):
excited about Zabel than Ricky White, right because one was
the eighteenth pick. Another guy was, you know, on the
tour in thirty eighth pick. But just factoring where they
got drafted, who would you be Name one or two
of these guys that you say you're most excited about
when considering where they were taking.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, give me a favorite. Run him down for me,
because I don't have it right here in front of me.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Okay, so I'll tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So, so with the fiftieth.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He got nicky right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, very excited where they where they got him
first round caliber tellent, I'll give you just quick comments
on all of them.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I thought that I think he's you know.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
They're gonna see some some people are gonna want to
see Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He's not a killer like Cam Chancellor in terms of
in the middle of the field blowing people up. But
what he is has tremendous size and explosiveness and range.
So he's got he's everything that you want in terms
of in terms of you know, coverage, field coverage, so
he can play down low, he can play over the top.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
He's kind of a he's a dual threat safety.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Like if he just turns it on all the time,
if he's motivated at all times, he's a phenomenal talent.
He's just got to get it cranked up all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah that you know, it's funny that you said that, Lance,
because his position coach Tory and Gray from South Carolina
was on with us a couple hours ago and he
said almost the exact same thing. I think I think
Hugh asked him, what would be something that you tell
him He's got to do to survive, and he said,
never be content, and he kind of felt like he
insinuated that maybe he was a little too content at times.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So interesting, you got the same take.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
But Elijah Royo, Jalen Milroe, Riley Mills from Notre Dame,
Tory Horton from Caloro State, Robbie Yots tight end, halfback
for fullback whatever from Alabama, Bryce Cabaldoo the lineman from Kansas,
Damian Martinez Miami, Mason Richmond who started like forty games
at left tackle at Iowa, was a seventh rounder. And
(07:05):
then Ricky White the receiver from you and OV.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, that's a really good draft. Like cable Do is A.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He's a He's a player who I think is gonna
make this team and he'll end up being a He'll
be he'll end up being an NFL starter at some point.
Really tough, big, physical, his play tackle, He's a natural guard.
He was a really good pick. Uh there when when
when they Uh? When the Seahawks got him? Milroe's interesting.
I think Milrod is a curious pick because I don't
(07:31):
see him as a full time starting quarterback in the future.
I just I don't think that I don't think the
accuracy is just ever gonna fix.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
But you don't have to have it fully fixed.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
As long as he's making explosive plays with his legs,
it's like a sliding scale, like you can have him.
He just needs to be functional as a passer and
explosive as a playmaker. The problem is, when you want
to win at the highest level, you got to be
able to win a little bit better from the pocket.
So I think I think this is just Seattle saying,
let's get this incredibly explosive talent and after l and
let's get him in camp and let's see if we
(08:02):
can turn him into a quarterback. And if we can't,
we've got an athlete. We're gonna figure something else out.
Uh uh, something else with him after after him? You
mentioned let's see before Milroe, who.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Did you have.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There's another one I really liked in Miami.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, I like Arroyo a field stretcher. I wasn't quite
as high. I feel like he's more of a third.
But I'm the low man. I'm the low man in
all the draft on him. Everyone else absolutely loves him,
and I'm talking about teams everybody. Now, he's had some injuries,
so I don't know that he's injury prone. He's just
had injuries that have slowed him down. So that was
(08:38):
one of the things that I thought early and early
in the process this this year. He wasn't playing as
fast as he did by the end of the year
because he still had to get healthy. So Arroyo Milroe
and then the oner after Milroe. I remember, I liked
who you had there.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Uh you want the list, I'll give you the list. Uh, well,
who was it right after? Right after Milroe?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It was uh Riley Mills defensive tackle Notre Dame. GI
give me one more, Yeah, Robby Alabama.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
All right, So Horton is a fantastic Horton is a steel.
Horton's an absolute steel. This guy is going to be Hey,
Seattle's gonna love him, an absolute.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Steel the same way, you know, the the same way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh, who's the.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Guy you just lost Kansas State?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Lockett? Yeah, Lockett.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I remember when Lockett came in, and I'm like, they
stole Lockett and Lockett was fantastic. Horton's going to be
a steal also, terrific player, really really impressed a football player.
I think he's gonna make a I think he's gonna
make I think he's going to start the factor early
on for Seattle. Riley Mills has an injury or he
(09:47):
would have gone even higher. He's he's you know, he's
coming back from a torn a cl this year maybe
a red shirt year for him. But I tell you what,
he is a problem on the interior. He can play
as a big, he can play as a three technique
and play otter even front, so he can play, you know,
in either type of defensive scheme, and he just plays
really hard. And you see that number ninety nine. You
(10:08):
see his body type. You know you kind of want
to you have to guard against the JJ Watt stuff
just a little bit. And he's not JJ Watt, but
when you watch him play, he plays hard like what JJ.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Did coming out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So there are you know, I do see some similarities
when JJ came out. Now the player JJ Watt became
was just a superhero. So that's you know, it's a
little bit different, the pro version versus the college version.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Robbie Oots.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So when I wrote him up, I finished watching him
and I must suspend probably fifteen minutes trying to figure
out what I wanted to say on this really what
he is as a fullback. They listen him as a
tight end because I just he was so fun to watch.
And I said, you know, and I and in my
draft profile and you can google it and read it
if you want. I said, he's built like a doc worker.
(10:57):
Who here's I'll just tell you what he He's like
a dockworker with three kids, who's got a squat rack
in his in his in his garage, and he's just
out there and he just squats for fun. Like he's
a hard nosed, blue collar player. They played him at
tight end. He can get out in space. He didn't
test wealth combine, but I'm telling you he's way quicker
than you think he's going to be. He will hit
(11:20):
you and hit you with some ferocity. He was the
only fullback that was going to be drafted. Well I
wasn't sure he's going to be drafted, but I'm glad
he was because he's going to be a starting fullback
out of this class.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And see that's what.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I I think the Hawks for his many picks, I
think eleven, right, I think they had eleven picks they're
gonna I mean, I can see nine of them making
them and that's that's unheard of. I mean, it's absolutely
unheard of. But everyone John Schneider was grabbing. I'm like, yeah,
he's a make a guy. Yeah, he's a make a guy.
He's a make a guy. So I thought, up and
down they they grab guys to me that weren't really
(11:54):
reaches Like I didn't. I didn't see any reaches on
the board, to be honest with you. Now, Finley Mills,
they could probably could have got him even later, and
he may have fought, but he deserved the tape, deserve
he deserved to be drafted inside the first you know,
four or five rounds. So you know, you certainly understand
that because John's drafting the tape, he's not drafting the
(12:15):
fact that you know you're only gonna get three out
of four years on him. So I thought the draft
class was terrific because it was filled full of guys
who are gonna make this roster.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So Lance zerline with us.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Let's circle back to your comments about Jalen Milroe, because
I think what you said is you don't expect that
he will ever have the accuracy to be a serviceable
starting quarterback, equality starting quarterback, and and if that's the case.
Is it worth it for a third round if he's
just kind of a gussied up Taysom Hill like like
(12:47):
just kind of amplify your evaluation of Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, you know, I think what we have to do
is you got to step outside the box a little
bit with Jalen Milroe because I would argue to Taysom
Hill has been a really valuable member of the New
Orleans Saints. I mean he can do a lot of things,
especially as you get close to scoring, when you're trying
to convert third downs, when you're getting close to the
end zone. He's been very, very valuable. I think he
(13:14):
can become a serviceable quarterback. But I mean, first of all,
we have to define serviceable and number two, you're playing
to win championships. So I don't think he's a quarterback
that you start like. I don't think he's ever going
to be Lamar Jackson. Lamar has gotten a lot better
as a passer. He was better coming out of college
as a passer than Jalen Nolrahe I've watched two seasons
of Jalen on tape. He really struggled this year with
(13:37):
accuracy decision making. I'm not sure that's going to change drastically.
He has an arm that can push it down the field,
and he can be explosive with his arm. He can
be really explosive with his legs. I just think right
now we're dealing with the player who the NFL really
hasn't seen a player like this at quarterback. You're talking
about linebacker, will linebacker size, wide receiver, speed and explosiveness,
(13:59):
and then you know the ability as a runner, like
like a breakaway running back in the open field, and
it's in at the quarterback position. The NFL's has never
seen this. So I think what Seattle's doing is saying, hey,
let's draft this freak daddy and let's see what we got.
You know, there was talk about him going in the first,
and I always thought that was preposterous.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I thought he's going a second. Frankly, in the third.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's pretty got me because you've got a
guy who does things that no one else can do
at that position. You just got to figure out the
best way to use him, and maybe he ends up
being a gadget guy. I'll tell you this. Third round
quarterbacks are typically backups. That's who they are and what
they are. You tell me, you give me a backup
that runs a four three forty, I mean, and that
(14:42):
you can put in situations on third and short and
fourth and short and you're probably not gonna stop him
from getting.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The first down.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I mean, it's tremendous value in today's NFL for that.
So I think it's I'm really interested to see how
Seattle use them. Do they bring them along slowly and
try to give them standard quarterback? I wouldn't I get
him on the field and put the ball in his
hands as quick day one, right, and figure it out
while I'm helping to groom in his quarterback. I want
him on the field, help him because he's got special
(15:11):
athletic traits.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, he's not gonna be your number two or number
three quarterback and name only right, I mean having him
sitting on the bench holding a clipboard seems like a
waste of a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, but like you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Said, I mean, the last time the Hawks drafted a
quarterback in the third round, lance his name was was
Russell Wilson and he wins seventy fifth overall. So look,
I'm not saying he's going to be Russell Wilson. I'm
with you on the arm. You and I are in
lockstep on that. But I do wonder Lance explain to
people when we do see Jalen Milroe play. Do we
(15:45):
see the Seahawks institute the tush push. Do we see
him run off guard. Do we see him on fourth
and inches with the shotgun and the wildcat and just
grab the ball and get his ass right up the
A gap behind center? Do we see Mike McDonald now
on fourth and six inches from his own thirty five
yard line be aggressive and bring this guy in the
(16:07):
game and get that first down and not punt the
ball away. What does reality look like on game day
for Jalen Milroe starting in week one?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, you may stick Robb Boots in there with him,
right you know, you drafted his fullback, so you may
stick him in there. And my guess is it's going
to be direct snap power. Got him around the left side,
the right side. You don't want to you don't want
to run him in the A gap. All that off
And I mean this is he's got good size. He's
not Jalen Milroe a six hundred pounds squad quarterback. I mean,
I'm sorry, Jalen hurts. Yeah, you know it's you want
(16:36):
to take advantage of his explosiveness. But remember he can
pass like you cannot just sell out to the power.
He can give you a little fake look and throw it.
So I think, you know, a really creative like a
Ben Johnson. I can only imagine what now the Chicago
head coach would do with a player like Jalen Milroe.
And I think what Seattle has to do is really
(16:57):
come up with package place because you can now use
him to counter. You can create counters off of his
power runs. You can show the run and then create
because he's a real quarterback, Like, he can throw it.
He's not the most accurate quarterback, but he's a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
This isn't a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You know, this isn't a player who played quarterback in
high school. And so he can throw it a little
bit for trick plays. No, you have to if it's
fourth and one, you have to factor in that if
he takes off running, he could also throw it. You know,
he could also throw to a wide receiver. That's fakes,
blocking and releases. Like, There's a lot you can do
(17:32):
with a player like that, And that's why I'm really
interested to see. I'm excited to see what Seattle's going
to do with him.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Final minutes here with Lance Zuerlein. Lance, I also want
to go back to what you said about Eliza Arroyo
and see where we may differ. Because when I watch
the tape, I see a guy that moves, got a
lot of wide receiver. I don't know traits about his movement,
and I couldn't believe he was six' five and an
(17:59):
eighth and two, Fifty and then of course there's just the,
knee and then it got re injured at The Senior
bowl and he couldn't do it the. Combine SO i
think that that's what dropped him to. Fifty you you
weren't as high on. Him is that because of the
tape or are you just, Saying, HEY i love the,
tape BUT i hate the injury kind of where are
you on a?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Royal? Now?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Listen he was SOMEBODY i wrote In, december my tape
is running or, NO i wrote him In, november my
tape is running. Behind SO i watched him the first
six games AND i wrote him off first six. Games
i'll just tell you right, now he'said. Guy BECAUSE i
have to get. STARTED i got four hundred and fifty
players a, RIGHT i got to get, started and SO
i got, started and BEFORE i got my last tape,
update which is a big, One i've seen him in you,
(18:41):
know five LIKE i, said five or six. Games the problem,
IS i think by the end of the year he
was moving much better and much. Faster so the VERSION
i saw at The Senior bowl was a lot different.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Than the version THAT i watched on.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Tape so that's there's the difference that accounts for the
difference is the version is The Senior. Bowl the longer
the play went, on the harder he gets because he's
got build up. Speed if you give him a two
and three level route kind of cross country routes that
cross the, hashes you're gonna have a really hard time
gardener because he gets faster and faster and. Faster and
(19:15):
just like you, Said, hugh he's got real wide receiver
movements like he can really you, know there's a lot
of a lot of smoothness out of his breaks that
cause you, know linebackers to completely lose.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Coverage and the words Of Scott, farrell one of the
founding fathers of sports talk radio in this, country UH
i cannot be the man because you're the.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Man all, Right, lance great.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Stuff, Man appreciate this and let's try and hook up
maybe over the.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Offseason, appreciated.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Buddy, yeah you got LANZERLINE nfl dot. COM i want
to come back and get you to kind of react
to what you heard From lance there The Jalen milroe, Stuff,
HUGH i think is, again what does reality look like
On sunday when When Jalen milroe finally hits the.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Field what does that look like to? You? Right we'll
talk about that next on ninety three to THREE. Kjrfm
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