November 4, 2025 • 11 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Seahawks trading for New Orleans Saints receiver Rashid Shaheed, what the move means for the rest of the positional depth currently, his skills and size, what to expect, and the compensation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, boys and girls, we're back on a very
busy Tuesday afternoon right here on ninety three three KJR FM.
Seahawks making a big trade today, sending a fourth and
fifth round draft pick to the New Orleans Saints for
wide receiver Rashid Shahed. And there's only one man who's
been watching film of every single play of this guy's
(00:23):
season so far. Heck, he may have seen every play
of his career for good.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I believe it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Nobody grinds more than our friend Hugh Millen joining us
right now on the radio station. Heree, how are you man? Yeah,
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah. That doesn't mean that is not necessarily good. That
just just means I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It means you have no life, is what it means.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's okay, you know, I didn't want to say it.
How many how many reps you over?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Under two hundred Rashid Shaheed reps have you watched since
he was traded?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Uh? Well, I saw the sixty six of with him
as a receiver. As I have said, you don't just
evaluate a receiver on balls or thrown to him, because
if the coverage is rolled away from him and he's
got single coverage and he can't win and the quarterback
barely even looks at him. Then you know that's that
(01:14):
speaks a lot. So I don't think that's the only
way to do it. But you know, I looked at
I went back and looked at some of his Russia
attempts from last year. I don't know, you watch one
play at least five times, so in that calculus, I
would sneak on the over very well. But the you know,
(01:34):
I think a point to make is that he in
his second year was not just Pro Bowl but first
team All Pro part returner. One of the things that
I haven't mentioned. I didn't mention it earlier. I haven't
heard it mentioned. It's possible. Don't sleep on this as
one of the reasons you may we might be thinking,
(01:57):
oh man, this is like a slam on Tory Horton.
It actually may be the reverse that you say, Tory
Horton's too valuable to have as the punt returner, right
and put this guy back. You know, look, I'm not
forecasting not I'm not projecting that. I'm just saying, as
I kind of look at everything and evaluate everything, that's
(02:17):
a possibility that emerges in my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, let me ask you this because I heard you
with MJ earlier today and to just kind of recap
the emotions, I thought that you felt like, Hey, I
like the player, but fourth and fifth may be a
little bit too rich for my blood. Now that you've
watched more film, you've watched more tape, you've thought about
it for the last five six hours, do you still
(02:40):
feel that way or does this feel like a deal
that you can sign off on and feel good about.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think that if for me personally, if I said Okay, yeah,
it's good, then it's barely good. If it's not good,
then it's barely not good. In terms of the value,
we just don't know. I feel like every time I
I the more I watch him, I just say, the
word par just keeps coming up to mind. Like you're
getting a you know, a number two receiver that's kind
(03:09):
of middle of the road, not like not like a
number two that's scratching at being a number one. You know.
Could you argue he's more of a fringe number two
than than than than the former. Perhaps, I think when
I go through his skill set and his traits, everything
just kind of screams par at me. So there's nothing
(03:32):
that he does that is really elite. But I don't
think he has any glaring weaknesses, perhaps other than his
size at five ten and five eighths at the combine
he's one eighty five. I'm certain he weighs about ten
pounds heavier than that. So he looks good, you know,
to that point. They had a rep where they lined
(03:53):
him up at tail The Saints lined him up at
tailback this year and they on second three against Cowboys,
they just to toss him the ball like he was canine.
And you know, he had a pretty good run, got
the first down four yards on second and three. So
so you don't do that unless you feel like there's
a durability factor and then then there's a running on factory.
Now he's had eight runs in two years, six from
(04:15):
a year ago, uh for four and a quarter you know,
yards per rush. Nothing, you know, when I watch, I say,
is there a burst there that's that's elite?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't see an elite burst. But do I am
I disappointed in his speed?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I think he's fast. Look, if you're five ten and
five eights and you know one ninety five, you better
be fast. So when I when I when when I
When you see a bubble a rocket sweep or a
jet sweep, whatever call what you want or bubble screen
as they've they've done, you would expect him to show
some twitch, and he does. He shows again par par
for what you'd expect at that size. And and given
(04:52):
you know his stats he's got in his entire career,
he's got two yard two games over one hundred yards receiving,
you know, So I just I don't know that we
can expect anything, you know, to carry on the analogy.
I don't think we can expect a lot of birdies
and eagles from this guy. But I think he can
just be, you know, give you a par performance on
a Sunday inn and Sunday out basis. And and and
(05:13):
a final thought, I'm sure this has occurred to you
and everybody. How many times have you thought in the
last few days and weeks, how screw of the Seattle
Seahawks if JSN gets hurt like that could just grind
the whole thing down, like literally just like pull the
emergency brake on the entire offense, so that there could
(05:36):
be a component of this, like hey, we got to
just cover our ass, you know. So there's a there's
a lot of elements that that I think that this
in boxes that this checks.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You talked about Visa v. Horton in the punt return game.
How about in the wide receiver game. Is there a
redundancy in his skill set that there is with Horton?
Or are they different guys?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think they're a lot different, Dick. Now, Now, I
would have projected him just looking at it, you know,
to me, I look at his athletic traits, and then
I look at his specific wide receiver traits. And I
know you'll you'll ask me about that, but but his
athletic traits would to me correlate to a slot receiver
at his size and his quickness. Right, And and yet
(06:15):
for this year he's got forty two percent of his
his UH snaps are in the slot. A year ago
in twenty twenty four, when Clint Kubiak was his offensive coordinator,
it was just twenty five percent in the slot. So
that ought to tell you something. And then and then
his receptions forty one percent from the slot this year,
forty percent from the slot last year. He only had
(06:35):
twenty catches last year, but uh so so I think
Tory Horton is a long striding six foot two, gliding
you know, outside threat. Uh you know, with really good
ball skills and and and that size, you know, the
ability to go up and over and and what have you.
(06:55):
When I watch, when I watch, uh shh here, you
know obviously he's a lot shorter, and you know he
can kind of get eaten up sometimes on those press
fades when you press him in a lot of routes.
Keep this in mind when you're the outside receiver and
you get pressed a lot of routes, the hitch route,
(07:17):
a quick out route, a twelve yard six step speed out,
a skinny post. There's a lot of routes in the
playbook that convert to a fade. So if you want
to reduce the routes free from a guy who lines
up outside, and we just gave you the numbers the
degree to which he's outside, then now all of a
sudden you say, okay, well that converts to a faid. Well,
(07:38):
if you don't have at that size, if you don't
have the elite acceleration in that you know, the first
couple to eight yards so that you can get because
your size on like just go watch the forty nine
er tape and the you know, I mean there's a
number of times where where if he doesn't get the separation.
(08:00):
Now as a quarterback, you're trying to drop it down
the shoot on a guy under five eleven and and
and those corners they just you know, they're used to
having to battle taller guys out there and they can
kind of swallow you up. So I think there's a
there's an element of him where I'd say, is there
anything that's subpart let me go back to the analogy. Yeah,
(08:21):
I think there's a bogie in there when you when
you talk about if he doesn't win at the line
of scrimmage down the field against a bigger corners, that's
not a matchup you like.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, here, we talked a week ago about the percentage
of passes that are going to Jackson Smith and Jigmath
and were compared it to everybody else in the NFL. Right,
Jamar Chase thirty five, Olave was at twenty nine, Christian
McCaffrey twenty four point seven, Kamara twenty three, Lad McConkie,
Pukainaku at twenty three, twenty six. Well after Sunday night,
(08:53):
Jackson Smith and Jigba is now at thirty seven percent.
Thirty seven percent of all passes go to him. So
the point you made about, hey, if this guy goes
down their hoes, they need some depth there. But I'm curious,
do you think this deal is made if Cooper Cup
is healthy, playing every game and producing.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, No, I do not. And they've had Oh man,
I hadn't meant to get an update, but they've been.
They have been right around the lowest percent of the
use of eleven personnel. That's what all of the league.
It was sixty one percent as league wide last year.
It's fifty eight percent, so a slight dip this year.
(09:36):
But every team other than the Ravens have been that's
their number one personnel group by a mile. Nothing's close
again eleven personnel and which means you got three receivers,
So the Seahawks have not done that. I think that
if Cooper Cup no, you know, productive, as you phrase
the question, Dave, as a relative term, one man's productive
(09:57):
is another man's ho hom par. But I think I
know they understand of the intent of your question. I
think if if Cup were healthy and you were getting
more out of him, No, I don't think that you
part with a fourth and fifth rounder. That was the
thing that got me this morning. I'm sitting here in
the middle of As soon as I hear about the tape,
I jump on the computer and I'm looking at the
coach's tape, and and and on my left screen, I've
(10:18):
got the the All twenty two sideline. On the right,
it's got the end zone. I'm I'm dissecting this. I'm
formulating my opinions. And then I hear as i'm watching,
I hear fourth and fifth rounder, and I just I
kind of had a you know, I was by myself,
but I had a little grown you know, my eyeballs
grown fourth and fifth like ow that hurts him. So
so I'm gonna I'm gonna look. I think he's gonna
(10:40):
make an impact. I think between now and Christmas and
hopefully now in Groundhog's Day and beyond, we say I
was worth it. But I'm worried that on April, you know,
the third week in April, we're going to do the draft.
And I said, damn, I wish we had that fourth
and fifth And he said, well, what kind of production
we get?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So there in lies my concern, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Man, Well you said you've watched every rep five times.
Pick up the pace man, all right, don't slack. I want,
I want seven or eight times by the time we
talk on my drive home tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You guys never even asked me about his wide receiver attributes.
I'm sitting there looking you know what, because uh, well
you know I talked to Verbose. I got it.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you want me to tell you why?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Really, I'm going to tell you what.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
We got more questions here when you come on, when
you come on Friday, we'll hit it again, all right,
hard
All right, boys and girls, we're back on a very
busy Tuesday afternoon right here on ninety three three KJR FM.
Seahawks making a big trade today, sending a fourth and
fifth round draft pick to the New Orleans Saints for
wide receiver Rashid Shahed. And there's only one man who's
been watching film of every single play of this guy's
(00:23):
season so far. Heck, he may have seen every play
of his career for good.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I believe it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Nobody grinds more than our friend Hugh Millen joining us
right now on the radio station. Heree, how are you man? Yeah,
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah. That doesn't mean that is not necessarily good. That
just just means I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It means you have no life, is what it means.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's okay, you know, I didn't want to say it.
How many how many reps you over?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Under two hundred Rashid Shaheed reps have you watched since
he was traded?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Uh? Well, I saw the sixty six of with him
as a receiver. As I have said, you don't just
evaluate a receiver on balls or thrown to him, because
if the coverage is rolled away from him and he's
got single coverage and he can't win and the quarterback
barely even looks at him. Then you know that's that
(01:14):
speaks a lot. So I don't think that's the only
way to do it. But you know, I looked at
I went back and looked at some of his Russia
attempts from last year. I don't know, you watch one
play at least five times, so in that calculus, I
would sneak on the over very well. But the you know,
(01:34):
I think a point to make is that he in
his second year was not just Pro Bowl but first
team All Pro part returner. One of the things that
I haven't mentioned. I didn't mention it earlier. I haven't
heard it mentioned. It's possible. Don't sleep on this as
one of the reasons you may we might be thinking,
(01:57):
oh man, this is like a slam on Tory Horton.
It actually may be the reverse that you say, Tory
Horton's too valuable to have as the punt returner, right
and put this guy back. You know, look, I'm not
forecasting not I'm not projecting that. I'm just saying, as
I kind of look at everything and evaluate everything, that's
(02:17):
a possibility that emerges in my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, let me ask you this because I heard you
with MJ earlier today and to just kind of recap
the emotions, I thought that you felt like, Hey, I
like the player, but fourth and fifth may be a
little bit too rich for my blood. Now that you've
watched more film, you've watched more tape, you've thought about
it for the last five six hours, do you still
(02:40):
feel that way or does this feel like a deal
that you can sign off on and feel good about.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think that if for me personally, if I said Okay, yeah,
it's good, then it's barely good. If it's not good,
then it's barely not good. In terms of the value,
we just don't know. I feel like every time I
I the more I watch him, I just say, the
word par just keeps coming up to mind. Like you're
getting a you know, a number two receiver that's kind
(03:09):
of middle of the road, not like not like a
number two that's scratching at being a number one. You know.
Could you argue he's more of a fringe number two
than than than than the former. Perhaps, I think when
I go through his skill set and his traits, everything
just kind of screams par at me. So there's nothing
(03:32):
that he does that is really elite. But I don't
think he has any glaring weaknesses, perhaps other than his
size at five ten and five eighths at the combine
he's one eighty five. I'm certain he weighs about ten
pounds heavier than that. So he looks good, you know,
to that point. They had a rep where they lined
(03:53):
him up at tail The Saints lined him up at
tailback this year and they on second three against Cowboys,
they just to toss him the ball like he was canine.
And you know, he had a pretty good run, got
the first down four yards on second and three. So
so you don't do that unless you feel like there's
a durability factor and then then there's a running on factory.
Now he's had eight runs in two years, six from
(04:15):
a year ago, uh for four and a quarter you know,
yards per rush. Nothing, you know, when I watch, I say,
is there a burst there that's that's elite?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't see an elite burst. But do I am
I disappointed in his speed?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I think he's fast. Look, if you're five ten and
five eights and you know one ninety five, you better
be fast. So when I when I when when I
When you see a bubble a rocket sweep or a
jet sweep, whatever call what you want or bubble screen
as they've they've done, you would expect him to show
some twitch, and he does. He shows again par par
for what you'd expect at that size. And and given
(04:52):
you know his stats he's got in his entire career,
he's got two yard two games over one hundred yards receiving,
you know, So I just I don't know that we
can expect anything, you know, to carry on the analogy.
I don't think we can expect a lot of birdies
and eagles from this guy. But I think he can
just be, you know, give you a par performance on
a Sunday inn and Sunday out basis. And and and
(05:13):
a final thought, I'm sure this has occurred to you
and everybody. How many times have you thought in the
last few days and weeks, how screw of the Seattle
Seahawks if JSN gets hurt like that could just grind
the whole thing down, like literally just like pull the
emergency brake on the entire offense, so that there could
(05:36):
be a component of this, like hey, we got to
just cover our ass, you know. So there's a there's
a lot of elements that that I think that this
in boxes that this checks.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You talked about Visa v. Horton in the punt return game.
How about in the wide receiver game. Is there a
redundancy in his skill set that there is with Horton?
Or are they different guys?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think they're a lot different, Dick. Now, Now, I
would have projected him just looking at it, you know,
to me, I look at his athletic traits, and then
I look at his specific wide receiver traits. And I
know you'll you'll ask me about that, but but his
athletic traits would to me correlate to a slot receiver
at his size and his quickness. Right, And and yet
(06:15):
for this year he's got forty two percent of his
his UH snaps are in the slot. A year ago
in twenty twenty four, when Clint Kubiak was his offensive coordinator,
it was just twenty five percent in the slot. So
that ought to tell you something. And then and then
his receptions forty one percent from the slot this year,
forty percent from the slot last year. He only had
(06:35):
twenty catches last year, but uh so so I think
Tory Horton is a long striding six foot two, gliding
you know, outside threat. Uh you know, with really good
ball skills and and and that size, you know, the
ability to go up and over and and what have you.
(06:55):
When I watch, when I watch, uh shh here, you
know obviously he's a lot shorter, and you know he
can kind of get eaten up sometimes on those press
fades when you press him in a lot of routes.
Keep this in mind when you're the outside receiver and
you get pressed a lot of routes, the hitch route,
(07:17):
a quick out route, a twelve yard six step speed out,
a skinny post. There's a lot of routes in the
playbook that convert to a fade. So if you want
to reduce the routes free from a guy who lines
up outside, and we just gave you the numbers the
degree to which he's outside, then now all of a
sudden you say, okay, well that converts to a faid. Well,
(07:38):
if you don't have at that size, if you don't
have the elite acceleration in that you know, the first
couple to eight yards so that you can get because
your size on like just go watch the forty nine
er tape and the you know, I mean there's a
number of times where where if he doesn't get the separation.
(08:00):
Now as a quarterback, you're trying to drop it down
the shoot on a guy under five eleven and and
and those corners they just you know, they're used to
having to battle taller guys out there and they can
kind of swallow you up. So I think there's a
there's an element of him where I'd say, is there
anything that's subpart let me go back to the analogy. Yeah,
(08:21):
I think there's a bogie in there when you when
you talk about if he doesn't win at the line
of scrimmage down the field against a bigger corners, that's
not a matchup you like.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, here, we talked a week ago about the percentage
of passes that are going to Jackson Smith and Jigmath
and were compared it to everybody else in the NFL. Right,
Jamar Chase thirty five, Olave was at twenty nine, Christian
McCaffrey twenty four point seven, Kamara twenty three, Lad McConkie,
Pukainaku at twenty three, twenty six. Well after Sunday night,
(08:53):
Jackson Smith and Jigba is now at thirty seven percent.
Thirty seven percent of all passes go to him. So
the point you made about, hey, if this guy goes
down their hoes, they need some depth there. But I'm curious,
do you think this deal is made if Cooper Cup
is healthy, playing every game and producing.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, No, I do not. And they've had Oh man,
I hadn't meant to get an update, but they've been.
They have been right around the lowest percent of the
use of eleven personnel. That's what all of the league.
It was sixty one percent as league wide last year.
It's fifty eight percent, so a slight dip this year.
(09:36):
But every team other than the Ravens have been that's
their number one personnel group by a mile. Nothing's close
again eleven personnel and which means you got three receivers,
So the Seahawks have not done that. I think that
if Cooper Cup no, you know, productive, as you phrase
the question, Dave, as a relative term, one man's productive
(09:57):
is another man's ho hom par. But I think I
know they understand of the intent of your question. I
think if if Cup were healthy and you were getting
more out of him, No, I don't think that you
part with a fourth and fifth rounder. That was the
thing that got me this morning. I'm sitting here in
the middle of As soon as I hear about the tape,
I jump on the computer and I'm looking at the
coach's tape, and and and on my left screen, I've
(10:18):
got the the All twenty two sideline. On the right,
it's got the end zone. I'm I'm dissecting this. I'm
formulating my opinions. And then I hear as i'm watching,
I hear fourth and fifth rounder, and I just I
kind of had a you know, I was by myself,
but I had a little grown you know, my eyeballs
grown fourth and fifth like ow that hurts him. So
so I'm gonna I'm gonna look. I think he's gonna
(10:40):
make an impact. I think between now and Christmas and
hopefully now in Groundhog's Day and beyond, we say I
was worth it. But I'm worried that on April, you know,
the third week in April, we're going to do the draft.
And I said, damn, I wish we had that fourth
and fifth And he said, well, what kind of production
we get?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So there in lies my concern, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Man, Well you said you've watched every rep five times.
Pick up the pace man, all right, don't slack. I want,
I want seven or eight times by the time we
talk on my drive home tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You guys never even asked me about his wide receiver attributes.
I'm sitting there looking you know what, because uh, well
you know I talked to Verbose. I got it.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you want me to tell you why?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Really, I'm going to tell you what.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
We got more questions here when you come on, when
you come on Friday, we'll hit it again, all right,
hard
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