November 6, 2025 • 28 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain sits down with Mike Holmgren for the hour at 520 Bar and Grill to discuss Sam Darnold’s incredible season for the Seahawks, the win last week in Washington, Seattle trading for Saints’ receiver Rashid Shaheed, and other NFL news.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Softy today is winging his way to Mike Holmgren's old
stomping grounds the state of Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh boy, he's gonna have He's gonna have a great
time at I will say this, aside from the game.
We used to play a preseason game there every year
at Camp Randle at Camp Randall. Yeah, and to see
that campus and at the stadium and how they did
things there. They're passionate about football and not only Wisconsin
but Packers and so he'd fill it and it was great.
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It was a great atmosphere. Barry Alvarez, who was the
head coach there, a very successful head coach later at
AD we became good friends and they're gonna have a
good time. Now it might be a little chilly.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh yeah, it's supposed to be thirty five and flouries.
I mean that's some Wisconsin November.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, no, you get in there and it starts to
I've told you before, I was the coldest guy on
the field when I coached there, the coldest. Oh gee,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We played that Paul Pierce cut and you listen to that.
What do you think Kathy would say about Paul Pierce's
marital advice that the best way to find out if
a woman loves you is to cheat on her.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, I don't even want to think about it
because she really works very hard to keep her language
under control. She does, and it would ruin her image.
That would be she just got you know.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh man, Well, hey, you know, it's a good time
to be a Seattle sports fan right now. And it
is a good time. Dogs are rolling, the Seahawks are
roling you. Jackson Sounders are in the playoffs. Everything's going
pretty good right now. And you know, one of the
main reasons. The catalyst you know, yes, the defense is great,
but the offensive catalyst behind what's going on the Seahawks
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is is Sam Darnold. And he is getting a lot
of national love, a lot of national love. And I
guess my question to you on Sam is you know
where where has he elevated himself in the in the
in the pantheon of quarterbacks in this league. I mean,
are we are we now starting to see him as
one of the elite guys in the NFL? Or do
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you you still need to see more before he gets
to that point?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I think you know, when I think people make uh
in all fairness, I think instead of looking at what
he did his first four years as a player, you
know what he did last year and now what he's
doing right now, That's who he is. That's who he is.
And unless he falls completely the part of the team
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falls apart, he is going to He's going to take
this team, Dick. I think he's going to take this
team very, very far this year. And he's playing as
good as anybody in the league. And you watch him
play just from a quarterback the detail standpoint, his footwork,
his eyes and how he's moving people around, is delivery
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of the ball on time, his accuracy, and I think
as I watch him talk to the players and different things,
his leadership, he's the real deal. And it's taken a while,
but okay, that's behind him now. And he's not that old, right,
twenty years old.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And there's two obviously components that go into his improvement.
One is the age, like you mentioned, he's not twenty
one anymore like he was with the Jets. And then
the second thing is just to go into a situation
like he had last year in Minnesota and this year.
So how much of each one of those buckets do
you give credit for his ascension to being one of
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the top whatever you want to say, five six to
seven eight quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I think you got to give a lot of credit
to the Seahawks coaching staff, you know, and combining. I
always thought it was you have a player who's talented,
and then he goes with the right coach or the
right system or surrounded by some players, it has more
of a chance to work. You get really talented guys
physically talented that go into a tough situation, they get
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banged around, some bad stuff happens all of a sudden,
there's negativity that comes in that changes a young guy.
It changes and I think he went through that early
in his career. But now I think he's in the
right spot. I think the world of Mike McDonald. He's
doing a great job. He's a defensive guy, and I
think he stays kind of lets Clint Kubiak and the
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offensive guys do their thing. Of course, he's the head coach,
so he's going to make final decisions, but he's kind
of letting them do it, and they're doing a good
job of it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You know, Safti and I, as you know very well,
have really silly topics that we talk about sometimes, and
we went silly. He's in on this topic surrounding Sam Donald,
and I think Jackson knows exactly where I'm going here.
I don't know how we got on this conversation, but
we started talking about how many draft first round draft
picks would it take for you to be willing to
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trade Sam Donald away?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And we got up to we we got up to
the conversation of would you if you were offered? Now,
you can't do this in the NFL because two's max,
but if you could, would you trade. Would you trade
Sam Donald away for four first round draft picks? And
he's asking people, and I want to ask you that
question if you were the if you were the general manager,
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you're John Schneider right now, and somebody called you up
and it was legal to do. They said, listen, coach,
I'm gonna trade your first in twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight, and twenty nine for Sam Donald right now?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Would you do it?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think I probably would. You know, as much as
I like Sam Donald, you take the draft picks? I
mean yeah, because what are you doing. You're you're setting
your team up for now. You have to make the
right picks. You have to do it because not every
first round pick you know, goes lights out, but that
would be unheard of it. I mean, you know, no
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one's going to do you know you and so I
should have been there to stop that conversation.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You should have been well and that's n see. I'm
on your side. Softie's you know Softie? Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He always hits me with those things when he's here.
You know, of course, what if this happened?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, I we love it? Well, how much on
let's go to Monday night?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
How much of what you saw from the Seahawks passing
game was Sam and how much of it was just
that dreadful Commander's d that's looking really old all of
a sudden after being really good last year.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I think that's a that's a good question and a
good point because this season, as I've watched, I want
to give credit to Sam and what's happening on offense, right,
but I have seen some very very poor defensive play
against them, you know, secondary people just not even close,
you know, just people wide open or no pass rush
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or whatever it is they've played against the Washington Washington
looked really bad to me in that game. So but
having said that, you still got to get back there,
throw the ball, run your routes. Another puzzling thing to
me is why teams don't try and stop Jigma more.
Yeah he again, he's opened all the time.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Third and seventeen and they got it to Hijiga.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah. No, he's opened all the time.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Is that him?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, is he just that good or well there's
got to be a way to bracket.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Him or no? No, no, you know, I you know,
I've had the privilege of being around great receivers and
if teams really want to stop that guy or at
least calm him down. They they do it, They try
real hard to do it. Now defensive coaches say, well, yeah,
but then we get we're giving up this, so we
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, then that guy kills you. Yeah, you know, I've
seen it, and that's what's happening now. I think part
of it is they're they're going against, don't I don't
like that some of the defenses they're going against. That's
the first thing. And then he is really a good player,
and so he has stepped up to the role of
being thene one guy. And shoot, he's over one hundred
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yards every game, nine eight nine catches every game, you know,
and he's not a big strong he's not DK Metcalf
one of those guys. But then you got to give
credit also clinking Kubiak in the scheme. They figured out
some stuff to get him the ball. All they certainly did.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then you know, obviously the from a commander's point
coming out of that game was the decision by Dan
Quinn to leave Jayden Daniels into the game in the
fourth quarter. And I can just know from from where
I was watching the game. I was, you know, doing
some I was doing some stuff and the game was
out of reach, right, so I was still paying attention
to but I wasn't like watching it, watching it like
I was the first half of the game, and I
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walked into the room and literally as Jaden was taking
the snap.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I was there at my folks house, and I go,
why is he still in?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And five seconds, five seconds later, his elbow points the
wrong way.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So how much criticism should a old friend Dan take
for that?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I think you know he's he's regretting it right now.
Obviously I made that decision a couple of times with quarterbacks.
So we did with Joe Montana in a game, took
him out of the game because Denver was teeing off
on him and trying to really rack him around, and
so take him out. Now that was a preseason game.
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But then I did it with Asslebeck when we're playing
the Steelers one year back there.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Oh yeah, career getting skunked.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We're getting skunked, and we couldn't we couldn't protect, we couldn't,
didn't do anything. It was a high scoring game, but
I took him out and he didn't like it. You know,
he came over. You know what I said, No, just
I'm doing this for you. We'll save you for another day. Okay,
they don't like it when you do that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But Sames Harrison, that could kill you.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah and so and you'd like to kill you. Yeah,
but no, I thought it's a tough decision. But if
he had to do it all over again, he'd do it.
Think him out.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, No, I think I think you're exactly right. Well,
the Seahawks made a made a trade. I mean, I
don't know if it was too much of a surprise
that they did something. I mean, I know there's a
lot of talk about potentially the corner spot with three Quel,
and they decided to keep him. They made a trade
at the wide receiver position. How much do you think
the trade was due to maybe uncertain me with Cooper
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Cup or how much was it just the fact that, hey,
they liked this guy. There was compensation out there that
they felt willing to give up.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I think there's compensation out there, and I think they
they're they see something in making that receiver group a
little deeper, you know, because they have had some injuries,
and when you have a chance to do that and
feel the numbers right, you do it?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So what do you think I'm in rashichha heat.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, I don't know how much you've you know,
you've gone and talked to and watched Rashid Shaheid play.
But this is a guy that's I mean, he's a
four three forty guy. He's a guy that'll stretch the field.
And and how do you think, how would you use
a guy like that? Knowing what you have in Cooper
Cup inside, Jackson Smith and Jigbaw outside, how would you
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use a guy like Rashid Shaheed coming in? That is
just you know, he's one of the fastest receivers in football.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, and he's That's that's why they got him because
he can. They got four receivers. And listen, Horton is
playing very well. I liked what he's doing and so
they have to like it too. So but they bring
in the fourth receiver if they're going four wides, you know,
now he gives a good fourth, There's no question about it. Also,
if someone gets nicked up or he's a player or something,
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you got another receiver to stick in the game. If
you're going with a three receiver set. So no, I
think it was a good It was a good pick.
What this trade deadline for a lot of teams, though,
it's it seems to me like the Jets as an example. Yeah,
they're not playing for this year's right.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I loved what they did. To be honest with you, Yeah,
I loved what they did. They're not going anywhere this year.
Why don't you get rid of your high priced guys.
You're not a Super Bowl contender a minimum for two years,
so why even have these guys?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But people, you can be critical of that. People taking
a dive tanking the season. You get the high draft picks.
That's that's a story, and it will come up, believe me,
before the season is over on some of these games.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, we're gonna talk about some of those, and we're
gonna talk about what your old friend Jerry Jones did
and down the stretch of this hour as well. But
let's get back to the receiver situation. When Cup comes,
Let's say Cup's healthy. Now, I don't know if he's
going to play this week. He's you know, he's definitely
not hundred percent. But when he is one hundred percent,
if he gets to one hundred percent this year, what
should be his role going forward? Now that you have
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three other guys that you know can play versus just
two other guys that you know can play.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, the thing is, I think teams now, I would
assume that you're gonna see more directed towards Jigma. You're
gonna see that, so that will open up some areas
for the other receivers. You take a guy like Cup
who's very smart, knows how to play the game, and
is dependable as a quarterback. You can trust him. You
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know he's gonna be there. He makes the plays and
he also blocks well, you know, so I see the
other guys and the tight ends, throw them in there.
The other guys are are part of this thing now,
and I like what they're doing and spreading the ball around.
That's when you see that offense really function properly.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And what's impressive to me is the way the offense
is a functioning right off the bat. I mean it
seems like Seahawks fans really for much of the Pete
Carroll era wasn't fortunately it wasn't this way under you,
but under Pete Carroll and then last year it just
seems like this offense is just stuck in the mud
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until the third and the fourth quartern' all, how many
times we've gone into the locker.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Room and it's ten to seven and seven to six.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now, all of a sudden, they're scoring touchdowns on the
first drive of the game this year, many many times.
What do you think the reasoning for that isn't what
do you see him from from koobiak that's impressing you?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And the reason he can score right away in these games?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, I think coming into this season, you know, Clinton
was new, uh, Donald was new. They had some we thought, okay,
it's it's gonna this is gonna work. We like it,
but we don't. We haven't seen it yet. Now as
the season has gone along, I just see them opening
it up more, you know. For for the verbiage that
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you're all the time, we're gonna run the ball, we're
gonna slimb it down, we're gonna do all this stuff. Okay,
And you know we've talked, we've joked about it on
the show before. Everyone wants to do that. But every
once in a while, it's okay on first time to
do playoffs and pass and throw it. It's okay, you know,
and you and they've they're just already if you watch him,
they're starting to do that more now. And I think
it helps the offense, and not only helps the offense,
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it helps the running game. Yep, you know so.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you've got a situation in McDonald now where he
has tied George Seaford, the old guy that you worked with,
and Sean McVay as the only two coaches ever to
win eleven of their first twelve road games eleven and one.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, so in his NFL career.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, you got any thoughts behind why that's working,
because we're not seeing it in this stadium at least yet,
but we have certainly seen it on the ras.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It just happenstance or is it? Is it something there?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I don't know, it's uh, it's really something. It's difficult.
I always thought it was more difficult to win on
the road than it is at home, you know. I like,
I didn't like to travel if we can stay home
and play. I liked our crowd, you know, at home,
and but their record on the road, it's something I
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don't I don't have a real good answer for you
than the fact that obviously they have they have a
feeling that there. Now, when you put together a string
like this, they start feeling really good about how they prepare,
how they do things, the meals they eat, when they
go to bed, all these things. It's and we don't
change it. Let's just keep going. And I think that's
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with the new coach. I think that Mike has that
kind of discipline anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The confidence they get when they walk on that road,
feel like we always win on the road.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Sure, it doesn't matter who we're playing, bring it on,
win on the road.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
The one Achilles heel thus far for this football team
has still been the running game and just getting a
consistent running game going. In one stat that jumped out
to me that I was surprised to see. You know,
ken Walker had forty six catches last year in twelve games.
He only has ten in eight games this year. So
I mean that's obviously. I mean, can't you help the
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running game by maybe getting ken Walker involved in other ways,
because that's that's one thing that we have seen in
the past with ken we haven't seen this season.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, but then you yes to answer your question, But
I would say, then what are you taking away from
what they're doing good to do that Oh, I see,
you know what I mean. So it seems to me
you might know the stats on this more than I would.
But the backs are kind of splitting time right now.
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Walker's not in there all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh, and it's much closer than it has been the past,
because it's been more seventy five twenty five years, but
this year's like sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, So that's one thing. The second thing is and
I think they've got a pretty good group there, but
your offensive line is one area. That's one area where
I thought they might trade and get somebody in there.
You know. I think certain positions on the offensive line
are pretty steady and independable, and then there are others
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that are really they're still working.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Do you see three steady or do you see four steady?
Now on that offensive line?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you see three steady positions on the liner? Do
you see four steady positions? Because there's a debate about
right tackle, yeah, and there's certainly a debate about right guard.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and really I think center to a certain extent too.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So yeah, you know, I think so maybe you only
see two?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, I see, I see three, you know, And I
don't worry too much about the right tackle, but there
is you know, that's that's an area that sometimes those
guys aren't the flash and dash guys, the stats guys
catching them as many passes and scoring touchdowns and everything,
but you gotta have those guys to be really to
match out what you want to do on offense.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
A lot going on in the trade deadline. We'll go
away from the Seahawks and talk about what else is
going on in the NFL, including coach Holmgren's old friend
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
What the heck is this guy doing? We'll talk about
it next.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:06):
FL ah second number two Mike Congran is here from
the five twenty deep Bar and Grill and coach. Lots
and lots and lots going on here as we're in
the heat of the NFL season and the Marquee match
up this last Sunday Bills and Chiefs, and I'm wondering
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does it mean anything at all that the Bills were
able to beat Andy Reid and the Chiefs because it
hasn't in the past, because the Bills seemingly always beat
the Chiefs in the middle of the season and then
they meet again in the AFC Championship game or a
divisional rown, and you know who wins those games.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, I saw that they they're own four h Allen
versus Mahomes in the playoffs. Yeah, and then they're five
and zero or something during the regular season. But I
think some of that has to do with where you
play the playoff game.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And Dick, you know, maybe more than any other year,
I thought about this and looked at it. Injuries. Injuries
play such an important role in how your team eventually
plays and who gets hurt. You know. We've talked about
the forty nine ers earlier. What they've done is really
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pretty good because they've been merely banged up and they're
still winning close games things like that. Washington, Now if
they lose their quarterback, it's pretty much done, you know,
And you could point to a lot of people like.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That, and on the flip side, like a team like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, Baltimore was one in five and they
were still the Vegas favorites to win their division at
one in five.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, because Vegas.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Knew, well, Lamar's coming back, all their defensive players are
coming back. Yeah, they're going to rattle off some wins.
And they've rattled off too in a row. And I
think they'd probably get their third this week against Minnesota.
I mean, that's a team to reckon with, even though
they're three and five.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Absolutely, and you look at the division they're in. You
know Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, you know Cleveland. Okay, then you look
in our division you get the Rams Arizona. We'll see
what happens this week. They won a big game last week,
but we'll see what happens. They didn't look very good
to me in the first game, but it's a pretty
good division. But then it's close to in the NFC
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North Minnesota. You thought Green Bay was just gonna smoke everybody.
They're having some issues, you know, so, but that's what
makes it fun. That's what makes the NFL fun for
the season.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't remember as much parody when you were coaching
as there is now. There were the halves, there were
the have nots, there was you know, there was some middle,
middle grounds.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
But I counted fourteen.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I just went through the standings and I said, all right,
how many of these teams in the league. Wouldn't I
be shocked if they ended up in the super Bowl.
Obviously there's favorites and not favorites. But I counted fourteen
teams right now, right that. I that if any one
of those fourteen made the Super Bowl, I'd be like,
I could see that, sure, you know, even teams like
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the Patriots, teams like that. I mean, I could see
that happening. Why do you think there's so much parody
now when I don't think we've seen that very much.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No, I think the league is different now. It really is.
And in New England you brought up to the Patriots. Yea,
their young quarterback is doing he's three ordeal and then not.
You can't say that about every young quarterback that comes
in into the league, right you know. But no, I
was looking at the Seahawks schedule and I never did
this when I was coaching. I can do it now, yeah,
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you know, and I lost lost, Yeah I did. I
think you taught me that, see all the time. That
so I'm looking at I'm saying they got ten wins
in their pocket. They got ten wins in their pocket. Yes,
Now you got the forty nine ers two games against
the Rams Indianapolis. That's four other games. So if they
split it, they're twelve, you know, I mean, you know
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they should be. If knock on wood, they stay healthy,
excuse me, knock on wood, they stay healthy, then they
should they should be right in there.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Well, the trade deadline was fascinating.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We talked about, you know, we talked a little bit
of the Jets and what they did, and a little
about what the Seahawks did. But you know, there were
twenty two deadline trades in season or deadline trades, not
on deadline day, but twenty two trades leading up to
the trade deadline. That is an all time NFL record. Sure,
you know we didn't used to see tides like that.
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Why do you think everybody's making deals now? And they
weren't calling you? Your phone wasn't ringing off the hook
twenty years ago when you were GM.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, the Seahawks, and I wasn't phoning them doing a
lot of phone from my end either. No, I don't
know it's I don't know if it's because of salaries
and they're trying to get out from underneath some money
things they're looking at. You know, we talked about it earlier.
You'd get a team that all of a sudden they're
sending trading away good players for draft choices. Okay, so
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you know what they're doing there this season, they're kind
of writing it off, yes, and now they're gonna go
and build. Now, the guys make the mistakes in the draft.
You're not guaranteed anything. If you get pick up two
number one picks, you know, I mean, it should help you,
but you're not guaranteed anything. And so I just think,
I don't know. I it is different. And when I
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think of how much fun I had doing it and
how blessed I was to be around Rond Wolf and
Ted Thompson and those guys that really knew what they
were doing personnel wise, you know, it's a different It's
a little different now, that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But usually we know if you're a buyer a seller,
like you look at the Jets, they're definitely a seller.
You look at the Colts, they're definitely a buyer. What
are the Cowboys because Jerry Jones just traded away Micah
Parsons for two first round draft picks, and then he
gave one of the draft picks and a second round
pick away for Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Like, what's he trying to do?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, you know what, Jerry is an interesting guy and
I consider him a friend. We were very we did
things together. But he also he runs the Cowboys. Okay,
he runs the Cowboys, and he Michaeh Parsons. No one
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thought that was a particularly good thing. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I didn't mind it. I really didn't mind it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, he yeah, for two first round picks, but then
like you said, then he takes that. Okay, So it's
like this one something he felt, he felt. I think
that he had to do something after that. He couldn't
wait for the next year's draft, or you couldn't wait.
We got to do something now. And if he believes
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his team and a year and talk, he believes that
team is a good football team. Now they're not. They're
three and five, they're not looking like they're particularly on defense.
They're not looking like a good football team. So if
this young man, I don't know much about him, but
they say, he's pretty good. He comes in and helps him,
but they still have some areas that have to they
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have to fix. So it's some rises me. But he
does that. I remember Bill Bartell's telling me on the
field when when we played them when he was a
coach at Dallas and they and they had that Riot
wide receiver. You know, I didn't like that much. But
he went to the Hall of Fame. Michael No, not
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Michael Irving. Uh you know, well, what was he? Here's one.
He's the one that signed the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Bryant.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
No, he signed the ball in the end. Thank you, Jackson,
Thank you very much. I'm older forgive me. So it
was it was Terrell Lewins. And Bill goes, because he
asked me about it at the combine, we got a
chance to get Terrell Owens. I said, oh boy, maybe
you can handle him. You know, good luck with that.
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If anyone couldn't, you can. And so he goes, I
don't want to do it. We come out for the
preseason game, there's Terrell Owens. Barcells comes up to me
and goes, there's Terrell waants. He told me not to
do it, and I should have listened to you. He goes,
but he goes. You know, Jerry Jones wants to dance
with the prettiest girl in the room.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, he also admitted on on you know he does
a radio show every week as the owner of the Colbys,
the owner in GM. He does a radio show every
week in Dallas, and he admitted, he said, I don't
have I don't know how much time I got left.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I got to make sure these guys are good.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I'm like, is that the way you should be
running an organization based upon your mortality?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I mean, or should you should?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You'd be running an organization based upon what's best for
the organization.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. But as long as they are raking in the dough,
and they are, they do. I think that was granted.
I think they I read where that's the number one franchise.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Sports Frans master his value. Uh, then he's some of
that hurt that he's not making the playoffs gets kind
of pushed aside a little bit because he's making zillions
of dollars. You know, that's right, because he always That's
the other thing. I'd be watching him in meetings. He
wouldn't be writing stuff down that we were talking about
football you'd be dollar signs and numbers. You know, that's
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what he did.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Coach, it's a pleasure. We're gonna let you go and
brave the weather. Sure you're okay, we can handle it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I know you can't, got it, Jackson, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Good stuff. We'll talk to you next week, all right,
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Softy today is winging his way to Mike Holmgren's old
stomping grounds the state of Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh boy, he's gonna have He's gonna have a great
time at I will say this, aside from the game.
We used to play a preseason game there every year
at Camp Randle at Camp Randall. Yeah, and to see
that campus and at the stadium and how they did
things there. They're passionate about football and not only Wisconsin
but Packers and so he'd fill it and it was great.
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It was a great atmosphere. Barry Alvarez, who was the
head coach there, a very successful head coach later at
AD we became good friends and they're gonna have a
good time. Now it might be a little chilly.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh yeah, it's supposed to be thirty five and flouries.
I mean that's some Wisconsin November.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, no, you get in there and it starts to
I've told you before, I was the coldest guy on
the field when I coached there, the coldest. Oh gee,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We played that Paul Pierce cut and you listen to that.
What do you think Kathy would say about Paul Pierce's
marital advice that the best way to find out if
a woman loves you is to cheat on her.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, I don't even want to think about it
because she really works very hard to keep her language
under control. She does, and it would ruin her image.
That would be she just got you know.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh man, Well, hey, you know, it's a good time
to be a Seattle sports fan right now. And it
is a good time. Dogs are rolling, the Seahawks are
roling you. Jackson Sounders are in the playoffs. Everything's going
pretty good right now. And you know, one of the
main reasons. The catalyst you know, yes, the defense is great,
but the offensive catalyst behind what's going on the Seahawks
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is is Sam Darnold. And he is getting a lot
of national love, a lot of national love. And I
guess my question to you on Sam is you know
where where has he elevated himself in the in the
in the pantheon of quarterbacks in this league. I mean,
are we are we now starting to see him as
one of the elite guys in the NFL? Or do
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you you still need to see more before he gets
to that point?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I think you know, when I think people make uh
in all fairness, I think instead of looking at what
he did his first four years as a player, you
know what he did last year and now what he's
doing right now, That's who he is. That's who he is.
And unless he falls completely the part of the team
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falls apart, he is going to He's going to take
this team, Dick. I think he's going to take this
team very, very far this year. And he's playing as
good as anybody in the league. And you watch him
play just from a quarterback the detail standpoint, his footwork,
his eyes and how he's moving people around, is delivery
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of the ball on time, his accuracy, and I think
as I watch him talk to the players and different things,
his leadership, he's the real deal. And it's taken a while,
but okay, that's behind him now. And he's not that old, right,
twenty years old.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And there's two obviously components that go into his improvement.
One is the age, like you mentioned, he's not twenty
one anymore like he was with the Jets. And then
the second thing is just to go into a situation
like he had last year in Minnesota and this year.
So how much of each one of those buckets do
you give credit for his ascension to being one of
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the top whatever you want to say, five six to
seven eight quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I think you got to give a lot of credit
to the Seahawks coaching staff, you know, and combining. I
always thought it was you have a player who's talented,
and then he goes with the right coach or the
right system or surrounded by some players, it has more
of a chance to work. You get really talented guys
physically talented that go into a tough situation, they get
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banged around, some bad stuff happens all of a sudden,
there's negativity that comes in that changes a young guy.
It changes and I think he went through that early
in his career. But now I think he's in the
right spot. I think the world of Mike McDonald. He's
doing a great job. He's a defensive guy, and I
think he stays kind of lets Clint Kubiak and the
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offensive guys do their thing. Of course, he's the head coach,
so he's going to make final decisions, but he's kind
of letting them do it, and they're doing a good
job of it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You know, Safti and I, as you know very well,
have really silly topics that we talk about sometimes, and
we went silly. He's in on this topic surrounding Sam Donald,
and I think Jackson knows exactly where I'm going here.
I don't know how we got on this conversation, but
we started talking about how many draft first round draft
picks would it take for you to be willing to
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trade Sam Donald away?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And we got up to we we got up to
the conversation of would you if you were offered? Now,
you can't do this in the NFL because two's max,
but if you could, would you trade. Would you trade
Sam Donald away for four first round draft picks? And
he's asking people, and I want to ask you that
question if you were the if you were the general manager,
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you're John Schneider right now, and somebody called you up
and it was legal to do. They said, listen, coach,
I'm gonna trade your first in twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight, and twenty nine for Sam Donald right now?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Would you do it?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think I probably would. You know, as much as
I like Sam Donald, you take the draft picks? I
mean yeah, because what are you doing. You're you're setting
your team up for now. You have to make the
right picks. You have to do it because not every
first round pick you know, goes lights out, but that
would be unheard of it. I mean, you know, no
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one's going to do you know you and so I
should have been there to stop that conversation.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You should have been well and that's n see. I'm
on your side. Softie's you know Softie? Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He always hits me with those things when he's here.
You know, of course, what if this happened?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, I we love it? Well, how much on
let's go to Monday night?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
How much of what you saw from the Seahawks passing
game was Sam and how much of it was just
that dreadful Commander's d that's looking really old all of
a sudden after being really good last year.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I think that's a that's a good question and a
good point because this season, as I've watched, I want
to give credit to Sam and what's happening on offense, right,
but I have seen some very very poor defensive play
against them, you know, secondary people just not even close,
you know, just people wide open or no pass rush
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or whatever it is they've played against the Washington Washington
looked really bad to me in that game. So but
having said that, you still got to get back there,
throw the ball, run your routes. Another puzzling thing to
me is why teams don't try and stop Jigma more.
Yeah he again, he's opened all the time.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Third and seventeen and they got it to Hijiga.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah. No, he's opened all the time.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Is that him?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, is he just that good or well there's
got to be a way to bracket.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Him or no? No, no, you know, I you know,
I've had the privilege of being around great receivers and
if teams really want to stop that guy or at
least calm him down. They they do it, They try
real hard to do it. Now defensive coaches say, well, yeah,
but then we get we're giving up this, so we
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, then that guy kills you. Yeah, you know, I've
seen it, and that's what's happening now. I think part
of it is they're they're going against, don't I don't
like that some of the defenses they're going against. That's
the first thing. And then he is really a good player,
and so he has stepped up to the role of
being thene one guy. And shoot, he's over one hundred
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yards every game, nine eight nine catches every game, you know,
and he's not a big strong he's not DK Metcalf
one of those guys. But then you got to give
credit also clinking Kubiak in the scheme. They figured out
some stuff to get him the ball. All they certainly did.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then you know, obviously the from a commander's point
coming out of that game was the decision by Dan
Quinn to leave Jayden Daniels into the game in the
fourth quarter. And I can just know from from where
I was watching the game. I was, you know, doing
some I was doing some stuff and the game was
out of reach, right, so I was still paying attention
to but I wasn't like watching it, watching it like
I was the first half of the game, and I
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walked into the room and literally as Jaden was taking
the snap.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I was there at my folks house, and I go,
why is he still in?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And five seconds, five seconds later, his elbow points the
wrong way.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So how much criticism should a old friend Dan take
for that?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I think you know he's he's regretting it right now.
Obviously I made that decision a couple of times with quarterbacks.
So we did with Joe Montana in a game, took
him out of the game because Denver was teeing off
on him and trying to really rack him around, and
so take him out. Now that was a preseason game.
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But then I did it with Asslebeck when we're playing
the Steelers one year back there.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Oh yeah, career getting skunked.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We're getting skunked, and we couldn't we couldn't protect, we couldn't,
didn't do anything. It was a high scoring game, but
I took him out and he didn't like it. You know,
he came over. You know what I said, No, just
I'm doing this for you. We'll save you for another day. Okay,
they don't like it when you do that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But Sames Harrison, that could kill you.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah and so and you'd like to kill you. Yeah,
but no, I thought it's a tough decision. But if
he had to do it all over again, he'd do it.
Think him out.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, No, I think I think you're exactly right. Well,
the Seahawks made a made a trade. I mean, I
don't know if it was too much of a surprise
that they did something. I mean, I know there's a
lot of talk about potentially the corner spot with three Quel,
and they decided to keep him. They made a trade
at the wide receiver position. How much do you think
the trade was due to maybe uncertain me with Cooper
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Cup or how much was it just the fact that, hey,
they liked this guy. There was compensation out there that
they felt willing to give up.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I think there's compensation out there, and I think they
they're they see something in making that receiver group a
little deeper, you know, because they have had some injuries,
and when you have a chance to do that and
feel the numbers right, you do it?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So what do you think I'm in rashichha heat.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, I don't know how much you've you know,
you've gone and talked to and watched Rashid Shaheid play.
But this is a guy that's I mean, he's a
four three forty guy. He's a guy that'll stretch the field.
And and how do you think, how would you use
a guy like that? Knowing what you have in Cooper
Cup inside, Jackson Smith and Jigbaw outside, how would you
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use a guy like Rashid Shaheed coming in? That is
just you know, he's one of the fastest receivers in football.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, and he's That's that's why they got him because
he can. They got four receivers. And listen, Horton is
playing very well. I liked what he's doing and so
they have to like it too. So but they bring
in the fourth receiver if they're going four wides, you know,
now he gives a good fourth, There's no question about it. Also,
if someone gets nicked up or he's a player or something,
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you got another receiver to stick in the game. If
you're going with a three receiver set. So no, I
think it was a good It was a good pick.
What this trade deadline for a lot of teams, though,
it's it seems to me like the Jets as an example. Yeah,
they're not playing for this year's right.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I loved what they did. To be honest with you, Yeah,
I loved what they did. They're not going anywhere this year.
Why don't you get rid of your high priced guys.
You're not a Super Bowl contender a minimum for two years,
so why even have these guys?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But people, you can be critical of that. People taking
a dive tanking the season. You get the high draft picks.
That's that's a story, and it will come up, believe me,
before the season is over on some of these games.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, we're gonna talk about some of those, and we're
gonna talk about what your old friend Jerry Jones did
and down the stretch of this hour as well. But
let's get back to the receiver situation. When Cup comes,
Let's say Cup's healthy. Now, I don't know if he's
going to play this week. He's you know, he's definitely
not hundred percent. But when he is one hundred percent,
if he gets to one hundred percent this year, what
should be his role going forward? Now that you have
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three other guys that you know can play versus just
two other guys that you know can play.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, the thing is, I think teams now, I would
assume that you're gonna see more directed towards Jigma. You're
gonna see that, so that will open up some areas
for the other receivers. You take a guy like Cup
who's very smart, knows how to play the game, and
is dependable as a quarterback. You can trust him. You
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know he's gonna be there. He makes the plays and
he also blocks well, you know, so I see the
other guys and the tight ends, throw them in there.
The other guys are are part of this thing now,
and I like what they're doing and spreading the ball around.
That's when you see that offense really function properly.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And what's impressive to me is the way the offense
is a functioning right off the bat. I mean it
seems like Seahawks fans really for much of the Pete
Carroll era wasn't fortunately it wasn't this way under you,
but under Pete Carroll and then last year it just
seems like this offense is just stuck in the mud
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until the third and the fourth quartern' all, how many
times we've gone into the locker.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Room and it's ten to seven and seven to six.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now, all of a sudden, they're scoring touchdowns on the
first drive of the game this year, many many times.
What do you think the reasoning for that isn't what
do you see him from from koobiak that's impressing you?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And the reason he can score right away in these games?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, I think coming into this season, you know, Clinton
was new, uh, Donald was new. They had some we thought, okay,
it's it's gonna this is gonna work. We like it,
but we don't. We haven't seen it yet. Now as
the season has gone along, I just see them opening
it up more, you know. For for the verbiage that
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you're all the time, we're gonna run the ball, we're
gonna slimb it down, we're gonna do all this stuff. Okay,
And you know we've talked, we've joked about it on
the show before. Everyone wants to do that. But every
once in a while, it's okay on first time to
do playoffs and pass and throw it. It's okay, you know,
and you and they've they're just already if you watch him,
they're starting to do that more now. And I think
it helps the offense, and not only helps the offense,
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it helps the running game. Yep, you know so.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you've got a situation in McDonald now where he
has tied George Seaford, the old guy that you worked with,
and Sean McVay as the only two coaches ever to
win eleven of their first twelve road games eleven and one.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, so in his NFL career.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, you got any thoughts behind why that's working,
because we're not seeing it in this stadium at least yet,
but we have certainly seen it on the ras.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It just happenstance or is it? Is it something there?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I don't know, it's uh, it's really something. It's difficult.
I always thought it was more difficult to win on
the road than it is at home, you know. I like,
I didn't like to travel if we can stay home
and play. I liked our crowd, you know, at home,
and but their record on the road, it's something I
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don't I don't have a real good answer for you
than the fact that obviously they have they have a
feeling that there. Now, when you put together a string
like this, they start feeling really good about how they prepare,
how they do things, the meals they eat, when they
go to bed, all these things. It's and we don't
change it. Let's just keep going. And I think that's
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with the new coach. I think that Mike has that
kind of discipline anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The confidence they get when they walk on that road,
feel like we always win on the road.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Sure, it doesn't matter who we're playing, bring it on,
win on the road.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
The one Achilles heel thus far for this football team
has still been the running game and just getting a
consistent running game going. In one stat that jumped out
to me that I was surprised to see. You know,
ken Walker had forty six catches last year in twelve games.
He only has ten in eight games this year. So
I mean that's obviously. I mean, can't you help the
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running game by maybe getting ken Walker involved in other ways,
because that's that's one thing that we have seen in
the past with ken we haven't seen this season.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, but then you yes to answer your question, But
I would say, then what are you taking away from
what they're doing good to do that Oh, I see,
you know what I mean. So it seems to me
you might know the stats on this more than I would.
But the backs are kind of splitting time right now.
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Walker's not in there all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh, and it's much closer than it has been the past,
because it's been more seventy five twenty five years, but
this year's like sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, So that's one thing. The second thing is and
I think they've got a pretty good group there, but
your offensive line is one area. That's one area where
I thought they might trade and get somebody in there.
You know. I think certain positions on the offensive line
are pretty steady and independable, and then there are others
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that are really they're still working.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Do you see three steady or do you see four steady?
Now on that offensive line?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you see three steady positions on the liner? Do
you see four steady positions? Because there's a debate about
right tackle, yeah, and there's certainly a debate about right guard.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and really I think center to a certain extent too.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So yeah, you know, I think so maybe you only
see two?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, I see, I see three, you know, And I
don't worry too much about the right tackle, but there
is you know, that's that's an area that sometimes those
guys aren't the flash and dash guys, the stats guys
catching them as many passes and scoring touchdowns and everything,
but you gotta have those guys to be really to
match out what you want to do on offense.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
A lot going on in the trade deadline. We'll go
away from the Seahawks and talk about what else is
going on in the NFL, including coach Holmgren's old friend
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
What the heck is this guy doing? We'll talk about
it next.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:06):
FL ah second number two Mike Congran is here from
the five twenty deep Bar and Grill and coach. Lots
and lots and lots going on here as we're in
the heat of the NFL season and the Marquee match
up this last Sunday Bills and Chiefs, and I'm wondering
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does it mean anything at all that the Bills were
able to beat Andy Reid and the Chiefs because it
hasn't in the past, because the Bills seemingly always beat
the Chiefs in the middle of the season and then
they meet again in the AFC Championship game or a
divisional rown, and you know who wins those games.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, I saw that they they're own four h Allen
versus Mahomes in the playoffs. Yeah, and then they're five
and zero or something during the regular season. But I
think some of that has to do with where you
play the playoff game.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And Dick, you know, maybe more than any other year,
I thought about this and looked at it. Injuries. Injuries
play such an important role in how your team eventually
plays and who gets hurt. You know. We've talked about
the forty nine ers earlier. What they've done is really
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pretty good because they've been merely banged up and they're
still winning close games things like that. Washington, Now if
they lose their quarterback, it's pretty much done, you know,
And you could point to a lot of people like.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That, and on the flip side, like a team like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, Baltimore was one in five and they
were still the Vegas favorites to win their division at
one in five.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, because Vegas.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Knew, well, Lamar's coming back, all their defensive players are
coming back. Yeah, they're going to rattle off some wins.
And they've rattled off too in a row. And I
think they'd probably get their third this week against Minnesota.
I mean, that's a team to reckon with, even though
they're three and five.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Absolutely, and you look at the division they're in. You
know Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, you know Cleveland. Okay, then you look
in our division you get the Rams Arizona. We'll see
what happens this week. They won a big game last week,
but we'll see what happens. They didn't look very good
to me in the first game, but it's a pretty
good division. But then it's close to in the NFC
(21:14):
North Minnesota. You thought Green Bay was just gonna smoke everybody.
They're having some issues, you know, so, but that's what
makes it fun. That's what makes the NFL fun for
the season.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't remember as much parody when you were coaching
as there is now. There were the halves, there were
the have nots, there was you know, there was some middle,
middle grounds.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
But I counted fourteen.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I just went through the standings and I said, all right,
how many of these teams in the league. Wouldn't I
be shocked if they ended up in the super Bowl.
Obviously there's favorites and not favorites. But I counted fourteen
teams right now, right that. I that if any one
of those fourteen made the Super Bowl, I'd be like,
I could see that, sure, you know, even teams like
(21:56):
the Patriots, teams like that. I mean, I could see
that happening. Why do you think there's so much parody
now when I don't think we've seen that very much.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No, I think the league is different now. It really is.
And in New England you brought up to the Patriots. Yea,
their young quarterback is doing he's three ordeal and then not.
You can't say that about every young quarterback that comes
in into the league, right you know. But no, I
was looking at the Seahawks schedule and I never did
this when I was coaching. I can do it now, yeah,
(22:24):
you know, and I lost lost, Yeah I did. I
think you taught me that, see all the time. That
so I'm looking at I'm saying they got ten wins
in their pocket. They got ten wins in their pocket. Yes,
Now you got the forty nine ers two games against
the Rams Indianapolis. That's four other games. So if they
split it, they're twelve, you know, I mean, you know
(22:45):
they should be. If knock on wood, they stay healthy,
excuse me, knock on wood, they stay healthy, then they
should they should be right in there.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Well, the trade deadline was fascinating.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We talked about, you know, we talked a little bit
of the Jets and what they did, and a little
about what the Seahawks did. But you know, there were
twenty two deadline trades in season or deadline trades, not
on deadline day, but twenty two trades leading up to
the trade deadline. That is an all time NFL record. Sure,
you know we didn't used to see tides like that.
(23:18):
Why do you think everybody's making deals now? And they
weren't calling you? Your phone wasn't ringing off the hook
twenty years ago when you were GM.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, the Seahawks, and I wasn't phoning them doing a
lot of phone from my end either. No, I don't
know it's I don't know if it's because of salaries
and they're trying to get out from underneath some money
things they're looking at. You know, we talked about it earlier.
You'd get a team that all of a sudden they're
sending trading away good players for draft choices. Okay, so
(23:50):
you know what they're doing there this season, they're kind
of writing it off, yes, and now they're gonna go
and build. Now, the guys make the mistakes in the draft.
You're not guaranteed anything. If you get pick up two
number one picks, you know, I mean, it should help you,
but you're not guaranteed anything. And so I just think,
I don't know. I it is different. And when I
(24:14):
think of how much fun I had doing it and
how blessed I was to be around Rond Wolf and
Ted Thompson and those guys that really knew what they
were doing personnel wise, you know, it's a different It's
a little different now, that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But usually we know if you're a buyer a seller,
like you look at the Jets, they're definitely a seller.
You look at the Colts, they're definitely a buyer. What
are the Cowboys because Jerry Jones just traded away Micah
Parsons for two first round draft picks, and then he
gave one of the draft picks and a second round
pick away for Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Like, what's he trying to do?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, you know what, Jerry is an interesting guy and
I consider him a friend. We were very we did
things together. But he also he runs the Cowboys. Okay,
he runs the Cowboys, and he Michaeh Parsons. No one
(25:09):
thought that was a particularly good thing. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I didn't mind it. I really didn't mind it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, he yeah, for two first round picks, but then
like you said, then he takes that. Okay, So it's
like this one something he felt, he felt. I think
that he had to do something after that. He couldn't
wait for the next year's draft, or you couldn't wait.
We got to do something now. And if he believes
(25:37):
his team and a year and talk, he believes that
team is a good football team. Now they're not. They're
three and five, they're not looking like they're particularly on defense.
They're not looking like a good football team. So if
this young man, I don't know much about him, but
they say, he's pretty good. He comes in and helps him,
but they still have some areas that have to they
(25:57):
have to fix. So it's some rises me. But he
does that. I remember Bill Bartell's telling me on the
field when when we played them when he was a
coach at Dallas and they and they had that Riot
wide receiver. You know, I didn't like that much. But
he went to the Hall of Fame. Michael No, not
(26:17):
Michael Irving. Uh you know, well, what was he? Here's one.
He's the one that signed the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Bryant.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
No, he signed the ball in the end. Thank you, Jackson,
Thank you very much. I'm older forgive me. So it
was it was Terrell Lewins. And Bill goes, because he
asked me about it at the combine, we got a
chance to get Terrell Owens. I said, oh boy, maybe
you can handle him. You know, good luck with that.
(26:47):
If anyone couldn't, you can. And so he goes, I
don't want to do it. We come out for the
preseason game, there's Terrell Owens. Barcells comes up to me
and goes, there's Terrell waants. He told me not to
do it, and I should have listened to you. He goes,
but he goes. You know, Jerry Jones wants to dance
with the prettiest girl in the room.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, he also admitted on on you know he does
a radio show every week as the owner of the Colbys,
the owner in GM. He does a radio show every
week in Dallas, and he admitted, he said, I don't
have I don't know how much time I got left.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I got to make sure these guys are good.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I'm like, is that the way you should be
running an organization based upon your mortality?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I mean, or should you should?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You'd be running an organization based upon what's best for
the organization.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. But as long as they are raking in the dough,
and they are, they do. I think that was granted.
I think they I read where that's the number one franchise.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Sports Frans master his value. Uh, then he's some of
that hurt that he's not making the playoffs gets kind
of pushed aside a little bit because he's making zillions
of dollars. You know, that's right, because he always That's
the other thing. I'd be watching him in meetings. He
wouldn't be writing stuff down that we were talking about
football you'd be dollar signs and numbers. You know, that's
(28:05):
what he did.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Coach, it's a pleasure. We're gonna let you go and
brave the weather. Sure you're okay, we can handle it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I know you can't, got it, Jackson, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Good stuff. We'll talk to you next week, all right,
but take care.
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