October 14, 2025 • 29 mins
For the first time since it’s disastrous production, Leigh Hart opens up about the ground breaking, yet controversial TV show Mysterious Planet. He discusses getting a lifetime ban from the Bigfoot conference, getting kicked off an Egyptian archaeological dig and substance abuse by the crew that included everything from alcohol to snake ant-venom.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast. Welcome along to
another episode of Page to Talk, all thanks to Uber one.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In two thousand and nine, a mysterious TV show called
Mysterious Planet aired on New Zealand and Russian TV. It
was controversial, it was out there, and it was groundbreaking
at the time. Now, much of the show was overshadowed
by behind the scenes debarcles and shenanigans during the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Production of the show.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
But today on Page to Talk, we look into some
of those debarcles and some of the mysteries that the
team tried to uncover. We'll start by having a lock
at the original promo for the program.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Explorer we Hote is on a quest to seek the
truth behind the world's greatest mysteries week Unsolved.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I believe nobody can a.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Journey that will take his team to the most challenging,
remote and dangerous environments on the planet.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's not in exact science.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll give you a three days though, and not a
whole Lots happened to him.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Using state of the art technology, Heart demands, answers, and
confronts the so.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Called exploras years and I don't have an answer.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
It might be easy if I just come over there
are thank g Adrian might be a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
He will dig deeper for answers than anyone has dared
dig before.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And that whole time you were having sex with ideas.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah, I've actually have intercourse with those females several times.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
We just want to find out what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, but mysterious creatures? Are they real?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Human? Does not have peces this arge?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Or do they exist only in the realms of myth
and legend?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Don't tell me that wasn't a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I can still see their bodies. He must decipher codes
before venturing deep into lost worlds, risking their lives and
encountering lost tribes unseen on television for many hundreds of years.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I could probably made the most a relevant pizza TV
in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Ajay has just been circumcised.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Pretty powerful stuff there.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Now joining us today on the show is the creator
and the director of that show, Lee Hart.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, thanks, Matt, I'm great to be here, and thanks
the opportunity to come on and talk more about that show,
but also perhaps put to rest some of the rumors
you know about what went on during the making of
the show. Et cetera, et cetera. You know, it's nice
to clear some of that up, but yeah, thanks for
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, there's well, there's a lot of rumors about what
happened during the making of that show. A lot of
those rumors were sort of off here, which we can
dell them to find the scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I supposed to say, yeah, we can.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Delve into that soon.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
But in that promo you mentioned that sort of if
you can't solve the mystery, then then no one can.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah. I think it was I think a member saying,
you know, look, if we can't solve it, I believe
nobody can. Powerful statement of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So in saying that, how many mysteries do you think
you did actually in fact sol on that series?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah? None, But I don't think that's really the point
of the series. In a way, we certainly set a
high bar and a high challenge. I suppose early on
in the series. You got to remember people have been
studying Bigfoot, the Rossvell incident, Locknest for a lot longer
than we have, and I believe we probably made more
progress in them, some of it unorthodox, I'll give you that,
(03:32):
But I mean, you have a good crack yep.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So looking at some of the mysteries that you did,
delbynto whether or not you solve them, where did your
passion you your mystery?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I guess for these mysteries begin.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, that's the mystery in itself, isn't it. Like Look,
I always had a fascination with mysteries from a young age,
growing up as a kid watching those TV shows R. C.
Clark Mysterious World. I think that being a sex pest
in the end, I'm not quite sure, but you know,
but there was a lot of documentaries when I was
grown up, a bit older than you that was constantly
about Bigfoot, your lockedest monster, this kind of stuff. And
(04:07):
I love that stuff, and you know, did I believe
it existed? I think quite a large part of me
actually believed that that stuff really was out there. And
one day I'd be turning the news on and breaking news,
you know, Bigfoot has been captured, and then you'd have
them in a cage kind of thing. And I remember
(04:29):
for Christmas one year, my grandfather gave me a book
called Mysterious Bennett and had all these mysteries in it.
And then when I was old enough to make a
TV show. I pretty much just went and got the
book and sort of twinked my name onto the front
of it and made it Lee Heart's Mysterious Bannet right,
and made a show out of it, and kind of
went chronologically through the mysteries in order and tried to
solve them. I'd seen plenty of documentaries in the past.
(04:50):
How could I do anything different? The script was in
my head already pretty much from watching so many of
these shows.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, because a lot of people sort of assumed it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
There's some sort of text right off, and just getting
a budget to make a show and just go traveling
really well, there was an aspect to that.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I mean a lot of the places I visit to
were places I wanted to go. I mean, there's there's
nothing wrong in TV of killing two birds with the
one stone. I suppose in many ways. To take Bigfoot
for example, I think if we go in order, that
was the first episode. If you're going to do a
documentary like this, you need to go to where it's
all happening. So we went to a Bigfoot conference. This
(05:27):
was an Ohio Salt Fork Lodge and Bigfoot conference.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm assuming that people who turn up to a bigfoot
conference of believers, that is a thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
There's the old person there that's perhaps there for the
or the one person we talked to, the entertainment aspect
of it. But in some level I think they are
and chraveling for miles around the country, the like minded people.
I don't want to stereotype them, but not like a
computer tech conference you might see in Silicon Valley or
you know, a sort of not not like the Emmys.
(05:56):
You know, there's a certain vibe of certain sort of
style of person there. But what better way to talk
to as many bigfoot believers as were people who claimed
to have encounters researchers. A lot of people carrying around
bags of feces.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
This is not so fresh, but it's it's a very
large species.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The rectum is quite large on these creatures.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
More similar to guerrilla SPECIs of what I've seen on
the internet.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Just incident he on site on the on the internet
deals with feces.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
What I did, I just punched in specs don't cops.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And there was a many sites.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
A lot of these people have had encounters with the beasts,
so I was.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Trying to bring some of my sexual encounters or yeah,
In fact.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I spoke at the conference, and that was controversial, and
the three big things about the conference that was stuck
with me was, I'm firstly going out on a bigfoot
excursion into the woods with some believers with sticks, hitting
trees and making noises, trying to attact.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
The big foot, a creature response to music and also
the sounds of children.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
We had a couple of bottles bourbon with these other researchers,
if you want to call them that, and headed into
the into the forest to try and capture this kind
of stuff and came which we didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
When you say attract bigfoot, that's that's in a platonic way,
not in a sexual way.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Or some have that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, it depends what kind of season that is. I
mean when I spoke, I talked about it an encounter,
and this went down pretty badly out that the Bedfoot conference.
There's an old encounter many years ago. I'm not sure
if you're familiar with it, the White Taki Eddy. A
number of years back, there were sightings of a large
upright walgan homitad in the White tackris and a bushwalker
(07:55):
was up there and he was raped by this beast.
And I ended up doing a speech on this, and
it kind of blew their minds slightly. It might be best
if we just run that. I don't know if behind
a large upright.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Walking Homered threw him to the ground, ripped his jeans off,
and raped him. Okay, he later found his jeans torn
up to shreds in the manner that no human could do.
A couple of miles from the from the where the
rape scene. A number of years later, he was up
there once again, and again he was raped by the
same beast. We believe he was raped not once, not twice,
(08:32):
but thrice over a four year period.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Pretty powerful stuff. There's you can see the the audience,
the the were captive and they had never heard anything
like that before. I mean, basically, as you say, someone's
gone up there, he's been raped not once, not twice,
but thrice. I mean being raped once will be bad enough.
Twice pretty bad, but thrice?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, what kind of big se question? Why I keep
going back? I guess back in the woods? Yeah, yeah,
it certainly does. I mean, why would you keep going back?
He starting to wonder whether he's part of the problem.
You know me that, But it's also key to you know,
bring some science to this. I mean that, of course,
there's a lot of serious bigfoot researchers in the States,
in the himalay as well, throwing signs at this, which
(09:18):
was which is a good thing. We were measuring footprints,
but we wanted to go a step further measure how
deeply footprints are trying to get, you know, using top
computer technology, how big the beast actually.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I might be through the weight and mass of the
of the footprint, if you like.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And what was the sort of the result of that research.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Surprisingly, he's only about three and a half foot tall.
He had massive feet, but it was only this big.
So just because you got big feet doesn't mean you're
you're a big person, even in the bigfoot realm, if
you know what I mean. So that kind of stuff,
again is throwing shade a lot of their research, and
I was beginning to become slightly unpopular with some of
(10:00):
the other researchers there. So I would always try to
speak towards the end of the conference so as not
to have fact my credibility up to that point.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Your results weren't in line with the research of not.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
All of it, not all of it, I think just
bringing a little bit more common sense to the whole thing.
But it fascinating. Nevertheless, I mean, do you believe in
big foot yourself? Do you believe it's such a creature
could exist? After all, the year is not discovered.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
What depends if there's more than one bigfoot? I guess
that need to be some procreation going on. So there's
big feet plural potentially. I have seen the grainy footage
of what could potentially be a big foot.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
A common sense. The Okham's razor is the term we
can use. But that's basically says the most the most
obvious answer is that normally the true one soon If
there hasn't been a decent photo, there probably isn't one.
They've never found a dead body, you know, and they've
found dead bears, dead out dead moose in the woods,
but never a never a big foot, never.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
A bigfoot skeleton, no, which begs the question.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That's right, Look, we'll take a break. What's not my show?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You just take a break, told it there for a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Later we're back to talk about a few more mysteries,
like much you Peach you and in con Goolden Peru,
much a peach, Welcome back to Pay to Talk, we
are talking mystery Its Mysterious Planet with the host of
the show, Lee Hart, and well we were just talking
about Bigfoot. How did that show? How did that episode
(11:28):
all wrap up?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, well we got kicked out of the conference. We
went to a big Foot conference and got ejected from
that in the end, right to move on to South America.
The reason being, of course, I didn't have too much
to do with what we were discussing in the big
Foot conference. It was more of a case. I wrote
an article on the fact that I was at the
big Foot conference, and the first line said, if you
can't get laid at a Bigfoot conference, you can't get
(11:50):
laid anywhere. And that went round like wildfire, and I
became sort of like the pariah I suppose of the
Bigfoot community here, and they put a fat way roam me,
you know, basically tried to take me out right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I can imagine that the rate of virgins at a
Bigfoot conference are quite potentially Why don't.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Have any data on that, but what I'm trying to say.
And we moved on from there South America, and I
had a five and a half year ban from all
future Bigfoot conferences, so I should be able to go again.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That band has laps, it has labs now, Okay, it
has labs now.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
So we moved to South America. Was the next thing
to look at mash Appeacial who built it? Why? And
then tried to track down some lost ink of gold
in the jungle. And this is really on the series
where the wheels are starting to fall off slightly on
the show, we're only you know, two mysteries, well one
mystery in Really.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's impressive that the wheels river were on to be
fair well.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Look, I mean this is a stressful stuff. I mean,
you're married, now, let's submit it. Most people's wives think
they're a bit of a loser anyway, that's before they
become a big footer. Let alone being a researcher doing
a documentary about people search for big foot. You know
what I mean, I can put a strain on relationships.
So you know, we were we were there doing our best,
(13:04):
got off to a pretty bad start. Actually, there's this one.
Because of budgety reasons, we're doing the show on mysteries,
but I'm having to give the viewer much much more
other than just a mystery show. I decided to make
it a nature documentary as well in many ways, you know,
showing the viewer the wildlife, flora, fauna. It wasn't really
you know, I should have stayed in my lane when
(13:26):
I think about it now, So if I recall rightly,
we're you know, close to mes Pishu in the jungle,
and I pick up a dangerous snake which I knew
nothing about. How you to stay back with you and
I'm showing it to the camera. I'm trying to do
my best Atinburgh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Steve when yeah, expert, but that looks.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Like a yellow plago, the most dangerous snake that having
through And I'm showing it to the to the cameraman,
of course, And I remember, rightly, the snake may have
got caught up in the cameraon's headphones.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I don't think snakes like that, you know that
they do.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Me.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Just remember he's more scared about some I've pad me,
got your headphones in there, Brett, get the headphones out
of there.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And while he didn't because he got bitten by the
snake and all hell broke loose.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
To speak at tag Us, Lee stuns it with a
pan flute, then returns it to the river.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Whence it came. We lost a couple of days filming.
He had to go to hospital, of course, wear a
shorter cameramon for a couple of days, and I had
to film all sorts of stuff myself, sunsets and sunrises
and you know, some set up tripods, all the sort
of stuff which I'm not used to doing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You're still in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh yeah, No, he came back onto the thing, but
it'd certainly affected morale. You know. We had a busy schedules.
We were up half now before we went to bed
sometimes you know, without filming, and he's back on deck there,
you know, questioning every decision I'm making, of course, you know,
because he's been bitten by a snake. But anyway, we
got through it in the end. Tough shoot, though, tough
shoot that one. You got to remember up in the
(14:56):
altitude quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Is this before you even got up to Matriphu.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All were up and down, rope and down the whole time.
That's the problem. Sometimes the schedule would be filming something
up at thirty thousand feet, come back down to close
to sea level to do some interviews in a museum
or something. Then we go back up to thirty thousand
feet against up and down. I'm up in the altitude.
Everyone's affected by it. I started to get quite clumsy
with the altitude sickness. I fell off a cliff about
(15:22):
sort of sixty seventy foot cliff into the Colker River
while while I was interviewing a.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Guide the whole world.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And that was an ideal. I'm up there trying to
take photos and big canyons and sort of stuff and
haven't putten them the lens probably on my camera, that
kind of stuff, and that's dropped off into the canyon.
I fell out of moving vehicles two or three times
at altitude.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Then drama as LEAs boiling out of the documentary vehicle
will need to stop so he can get back in it.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That'sn't the sort of thing you do and on a
suburban kid run to the supermarket or picking up the
kids from school. You know that that's stuff we were
experiencing because it's high intensity, trying to stick to that budget,
trying to get everything done at altitude.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So it's just the altitude that was sort of causing
all this climbs in us, or it was sort of
the concoction of anything look.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I mean, of course, you know you will work hard,
your play hard. You know, you know you finish it,
you know. But of filming, of course you get have
a few meals at nine, a few bourbons, that sort
of stuff. You know, we were younger. Then you've got
to remember where you're doing. The coca leaves, you chew
them to help with the altitude sickness, right, And I
didn't realize that's a gateway drug to cocaine. So you
(16:57):
throw that in the mix. You're starting to get a
picture of that. But we had a mission. We had
to solve this mystery, and by this stag forgot what
the mystery was. I still can't remember what we're actually
trying to solve. Obviously, Matthew Pich gave me into it
always does, but I can't remember what we're supposed to
be doing. I do recall it a jungle. We're having
so many we're having drugs, as I say, for the
(17:17):
altitude sickness up and down. We're having drugs for malaria.
For the jungle stuff. You combine that with a bit
of alcohol cocaine, you're going to get a lot of
weird sort of side effect results.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I can imagine, and then that obviously hinders your ability
to solve the mystery.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It certainly does, and I think I think a jur
producer probably described the best in one of the piece
of games, which I was quite keen to cut out
of the documentary, but somehow we didn't have We still got.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
That you can get headaches, interingestion erections at inappropriate moments,
which ajspan at firsthand.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I mean, unwanted erections are a real pain in the ass,
and it happens in an appropriate moments, moments when we're
trying to be quite a professional crew and I turn
up and including archaeologist tribes, some of the tribes on
are topless. That makes me look like I'm getting aroused.
I mean I would, I mean I should. I don't,
but I could. It just kind of makes me look
(18:11):
like a bit of a six tourist and not a professional.
That's that's the only way with all these pills were taking.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
You really wish I'd cut that out. Now. Somehow it's
made into this the worst part of it. It's got
in near twice anyway, so as you can imagine where
they're mixing with with with locals, tribes, people, you know,
pretty amazing stuff and drugs. Well, yeah, but that say,
you seem to be stuck on that matter. It was
it was more than that. You know, we were actually
(18:41):
trying to make award winning stuff here in many ways
I think we did.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Did you want any awards.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
On that trip?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, or any of them?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
We didn't really put it into any awards in that
in that series, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We we so, so what conclusions? What did you solve
from this this Peru episode.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
In this series? Yeah, one of the main things we
learned was about Musha piechue, how it was built or
how to say it even. I mean that's how you said,
Musha pieche Does it not much?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Huo picture much Musha picture mushall.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Pie Sure, you've got to put a bit more emotion
and into it, I think, you know, in a documentary
sense anyway. Yeah, up up up there we learned, I
mean who built it? Were the anchors? Did the local
people built it? Obviously? How do they do it? It's amazing
how many people who live up there and the locals
don't actually believe that stone masons from another solar system
(19:39):
came and built the pyramids, which that was the narrative
I was running with because that's what I've seen in
other documentaries. Because you got to ask the question, Matt,
I mean, why would you have stone masons from another
you know, solar system, you know, six seven, eight light
years away coming here purely to cut stones on Earth
and put them on top of each other. Yeah, and
(20:00):
then put a mud that's roof on top of it.
I know if they'll be doing that, And that's I
started to question what I've seen before in documentaries.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, it does make you wonder if the jew the
juice is with the squeeze sort of coming best far
with that sort of technology to get here just to
fetch some rooms.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And then do plasters from another solar sism come after
the fact and do the plastering work. Yeah, these are
things we don't know. And what I learned, if nothing else,
was that they probably didn't so that in some way, yes,
we did go a small way to solve that mystery.
But I'm probably not the first person to put forward
the theory that stonemasons from another solarism didn't come here
(20:37):
in the manner that they did. But look all this research,
the hard work. We mentioned some of them and then
our chiteacts, etcetera. It did take its toll on the
crew a couple of times. I might have been quite
short with aj the producer. We may have some footage
of that. We roll that footage.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
How story must begin here, but I want to get
a Spanish on their bloodthirsty lust for gold never actually made.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It look zip it where? Just zip it? Play it,
fruity panphy tuns up here. We've been over this once before.
It's corecked there now and again that. I don't know
how that got into the documentary itself, but when you
make a documentary on a budget like this, most of
(21:23):
it does get in somehow.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So so in a nutshell, this mystery also was not solved.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Well, I'm not too well. As I said, I can't
remember what we were trying to solve.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, all right, I might just hold you there, ready
for good?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I take another quick break and we'll be back
to delve into a few more mysteries. Welcome back to
Paid to Talk all thanks to Uber one, and we've
got very special guest, Lee Hart, host of the TV
show Mysterious Planet. Now we've delved into Musha Pishoe, We've
delved into Bigfoot, and I now believe we're going to
delve into Lockness.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, one of the biggest, isn't it. You know, of
course we're in Scotland now trying to solve the mystery
of Locknest, the Locknest monster. You know, if you want
to put the big three in there, you've got Roswell, Bidfoot, Lockness, Mine,
submersibul dinosaur. Do they exist in the modern eraror? I
mean what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, Lockness again, it's sort of up there with Bigfoot,
isn't it. Are they procreating? Have there been some granny
images of Lockness?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Plenty of granny grainy images? Yeah, because there have been
sightings for hundreds of not thousands of years of the
Lockness monster. So that in many ways is compelling and interesting.
Our job, of course, with our team, highly trained, with
our equipment, is to get there and once and for
all nothing else. Let's say what it isn't you know
with our audio equipment.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Visual stuff. Sona was that sonar?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
No? No, nobody didn't have that, right. Well, we had
like remote controlled jet boat I suppose you'd call it
model and we had cameras on that and they could
go along the water and stuff, and then we'd hang
microphones in the water as well.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We could listen waterproof ons.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yep, eventually they were. But the main issue there was
you really got to get out on the water if
you want to study something that is a water based creature.
We were unable to do that for about two or
three weeks because the Nassy Hunter, which was the research
vessel that we had hired to use, had been double
(23:19):
booked by a sort of a primary school school camp
type trip going out in the water, you know, doing
that sort of.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Just terrible timing.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, a book, I don't know how I mean, No
matter how much research you can do, you can sometimes
over research and forget to book the boat on the
right day.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What you do for three weeks, Well, we.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Were sort of stuck in a pub basically for two
or three weeks, of different pubs actually, but when we're
talking to different people. Gave us an opportunity to talk
to some of these people on get first own account
eyewitness accounts here from them.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Have you ever seen the Lockhouse Master?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
No, I've never seen a lockless monstruct but my husband
says it's martive to it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
What did I see?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tell me well, I was two years and I don't
have an answer, and finally.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I'm going to check something at you. It's a bit
of a theory I've been using. There's two different types
of evidence with a big Bigfoot, likely as monster anything,
any of these mysteries. You can have weak evidence that's
a grainy photo, you know, an eyewitness account. You can
have strong evidence that would be forensic evidence, something you
(24:23):
can touch, something you can see. Right, A whole lot
of weak evidence stacked up together doesn't suddenly become strong
evidence just because there's lots of it, whereas just a
small pieces of stronger evidence becomes stronger and stronger more
you add to it. And we did a demonstration of
that using beer, I think, and in one of the
(24:44):
pubs again using AJ the producer. You can see here
I'm drinking low al goal beer here to show weak evidence.
AJ on the other hand, he's drinking high strength beer
to show strong evidence. And just see what happens here.
It's quite amazing.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Quarter the way through the experiment, here I am on
low alcohol representing weak evidence, and I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
How are you a James? I feel great. Let's give
it again. But as you can see in real time
there he's collapsing through the door into the bar from
whence he came, and then later on, of course making
a complete ass of himself with those girls over there
(25:34):
in the corner of the bar. So I don't think
you can demonstrate it any clearer than that, different types
of evidence. So one thing that seems to be coming
through this podcast, if you don't mind me saying, Matt,
is that the pressure, the toll that making a show
up mysterious planet can take on the people that are
making it those around it. So if any episode could
(25:54):
be really called a mental health special, it's probably be
the lot Ness episode.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Right, So why would that be the mental health episode?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Well, because we had a guy that had a mental
breakdown during the show. Graham. He's a Scottish researcher and
a cryptosologist. He's expert and sub aquid dinosaurs. He was
the more time a guy that hangs out in the
office researching from the computer reading. A very intelligent man.
But he came and joined us on the trip where
(26:21):
more sort of get your hands sturdy field type of
guys you have been kiywis and stuff. He was married,
of course, and he was going through, I suppose a
messy breakup at the time, and this just put pressure
on him. It was supposed to be a two day
trip ended up being about three and a half weeks
before he got home. By that stage his wife had
left him for it might have been a tyler from
(26:44):
in Vanessa or a furniture imposterer in Dundee. I'm not sure,
but well, either way, he lost his marriage and again
he took that out on us.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So it was nothing to do with his research that
he was doing with you around Lockneest. It was more
effect that his wife was shaking a tyler from Dundee.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm not really sure about that. I don't know how
impressed he was with some of the stuff we were doing.
We were pretty desperate with time, and once we got
back on the now see hunter, the vessel we were
able to use. We didn't have a lot of time
to use our equipment, so we got this, but we
were just basically dredging the lake over a hook again
anchor really hoping just to snag something in the end,
(27:20):
because we were running away. You know, we're paying for
this boat by the hour and hoping to catch something real. Hey, mery,
and we did.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
In the end, what did you catch?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
It was a power cable actually to the to the
local village. A sorry, guys, to some cable which we
hauled onto the boat kind of got snared into the
outboard and all the sort of stuff. So we end
up having to cut that off.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But then drama, he has cut the power to the
southern end western sides of the lock.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Then a raptize. We weren't popular because people knew that
we're out there doing that stuff. You know, you go
back to the BnB we've been staying. They loved us
before that, and you.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Know, especially notable rating because the power went out.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Well now we got to the table writing, that's for sure.
And then of course on the last day, Graham had
a complete meltdown and we tried to kill us basically
just a tooth, except he say, we just had to
do a runner and and leave lot ness. And I
(28:25):
kind of feel we left a lot of unfinished business there.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Technology, get a lot, grime, get a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I told me, so, you again, you didn't solve that mystery.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I left a lot of the data in the hotel room,
a lot of the stuff, the research data and Graham
cosby chasing us with that tripod, smashing the windscreen and
stuff yelling at us. We just thought it was best
to get out of that matt, you know, and then
move on, which we did well.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That that actually seems as good a place as any
to stop this episode. But we've only done about half
I think of the big mysteries that you've covered in
Mysterious Planets. So thinking next week we potentially delve down
to the part two of the Mysterious Plants.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Probably a good point actually, because things behind the scenes
get a lot worse in many ways, not just with
the mysteries, but it really was starting to get quite
in tense. We of course find ourselves in Egypt we're
talking about with the Pyramids, Roswell, of course UFOs that's
a biggie. That's a biggie, and of course on the
Bermuda Triangle. And that was our final one and quite
(29:43):
fitting really, but yeah, look forward.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
To Brilliant All right, all Alvin's that next week with
a very special guest, Lee Hart, who's also co host
of this podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, and I live here Verite Goad
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast. Welcome along to
another episode of Page to Talk, all thanks to Uber one.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In two thousand and nine, a mysterious TV show called
Mysterious Planet aired on New Zealand and Russian TV. It
was controversial, it was out there, and it was groundbreaking
at the time. Now, much of the show was overshadowed
by behind the scenes debarcles and shenanigans during the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Production of the show.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
But today on Page to Talk, we look into some
of those debarcles and some of the mysteries that the
team tried to uncover. We'll start by having a lock
at the original promo for the program.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Explorer we Hote is on a quest to seek the
truth behind the world's greatest mysteries week Unsolved.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I believe nobody can a.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Journey that will take his team to the most challenging,
remote and dangerous environments on the planet.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's not in exact science.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll give you a three days though, and not a
whole Lots happened to him.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Using state of the art technology, Heart demands, answers, and
confronts the so.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Called exploras years and I don't have an answer.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
It might be easy if I just come over there
are thank g Adrian might be a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
He will dig deeper for answers than anyone has dared
dig before.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And that whole time you were having sex with ideas.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah, I've actually have intercourse with those females several times.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
We just want to find out what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, but mysterious creatures? Are they real?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Human? Does not have peces this arge?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Or do they exist only in the realms of myth
and legend?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Don't tell me that wasn't a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I can still see their bodies. He must decipher codes
before venturing deep into lost worlds, risking their lives and
encountering lost tribes unseen on television for many hundreds of years.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I could probably made the most a relevant pizza TV
in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Ajay has just been circumcised.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Pretty powerful stuff there.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Now joining us today on the show is the creator
and the director of that show, Lee Hart.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, thanks, Matt, I'm great to be here, and thanks
the opportunity to come on and talk more about that show,
but also perhaps put to rest some of the rumors
you know about what went on during the making of
the show. Et cetera, et cetera. You know, it's nice
to clear some of that up, but yeah, thanks for
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, there's well, there's a lot of rumors about what
happened during the making of that show. A lot of
those rumors were sort of off here, which we can
dell them to find the scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I supposed to say, yeah, we can.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Delve into that soon.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
But in that promo you mentioned that sort of if
you can't solve the mystery, then then no one can.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah. I think it was I think a member saying,
you know, look, if we can't solve it, I believe
nobody can. Powerful statement of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So in saying that, how many mysteries do you think
you did actually in fact sol on that series?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah? None, But I don't think that's really the point
of the series. In a way, we certainly set a
high bar and a high challenge. I suppose early on
in the series. You got to remember people have been
studying Bigfoot, the Rossvell incident, Locknest for a lot longer
than we have, and I believe we probably made more
progress in them, some of it unorthodox, I'll give you that,
(03:32):
But I mean, you have a good crack yep.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So looking at some of the mysteries that you did,
delbynto whether or not you solve them, where did your
passion you your mystery?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I guess for these mysteries begin.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, that's the mystery in itself, isn't it. Like Look,
I always had a fascination with mysteries from a young age,
growing up as a kid watching those TV shows R. C.
Clark Mysterious World. I think that being a sex pest
in the end, I'm not quite sure, but you know,
but there was a lot of documentaries when I was
grown up, a bit older than you that was constantly
about Bigfoot, your lockedest monster, this kind of stuff. And
(04:07):
I love that stuff, and you know, did I believe
it existed? I think quite a large part of me
actually believed that that stuff really was out there. And
one day I'd be turning the news on and breaking news,
you know, Bigfoot has been captured, and then you'd have
them in a cage kind of thing. And I remember
(04:29):
for Christmas one year, my grandfather gave me a book
called Mysterious Bennett and had all these mysteries in it.
And then when I was old enough to make a
TV show. I pretty much just went and got the
book and sort of twinked my name onto the front
of it and made it Lee Heart's Mysterious Bannet right,
and made a show out of it, and kind of
went chronologically through the mysteries in order and tried to
solve them. I'd seen plenty of documentaries in the past.
(04:50):
How could I do anything different? The script was in
my head already pretty much from watching so many of
these shows.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, because a lot of people sort of assumed it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
There's some sort of text right off, and just getting
a budget to make a show and just go traveling
really well, there was an aspect to that.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I mean a lot of the places I visit to
were places I wanted to go. I mean, there's there's
nothing wrong in TV of killing two birds with the
one stone. I suppose in many ways. To take Bigfoot
for example, I think if we go in order, that
was the first episode. If you're going to do a
documentary like this, you need to go to where it's
all happening. So we went to a Bigfoot conference. This
(05:27):
was an Ohio Salt Fork Lodge and Bigfoot conference.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm assuming that people who turn up to a bigfoot
conference of believers, that is a thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
There's the old person there that's perhaps there for the
or the one person we talked to, the entertainment aspect
of it. But in some level I think they are
and chraveling for miles around the country, the like minded people.
I don't want to stereotype them, but not like a
computer tech conference you might see in Silicon Valley or
you know, a sort of not not like the Emmys.
(05:56):
You know, there's a certain vibe of certain sort of
style of person there. But what better way to talk
to as many bigfoot believers as were people who claimed
to have encounters researchers. A lot of people carrying around
bags of feces.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
This is not so fresh, but it's it's a very
large species.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The rectum is quite large on these creatures.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
More similar to guerrilla SPECIs of what I've seen on
the internet.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Just incident he on site on the on the internet
deals with feces.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
What I did, I just punched in specs don't cops.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And there was a many sites.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
A lot of these people have had encounters with the beasts,
so I was.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Trying to bring some of my sexual encounters or yeah,
In fact.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I spoke at the conference, and that was controversial, and
the three big things about the conference that was stuck
with me was, I'm firstly going out on a bigfoot
excursion into the woods with some believers with sticks, hitting
trees and making noises, trying to attact.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
The big foot, a creature response to music and also
the sounds of children.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
We had a couple of bottles bourbon with these other researchers,
if you want to call them that, and headed into
the into the forest to try and capture this kind
of stuff and came which we didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
When you say attract bigfoot, that's that's in a platonic way,
not in a sexual way.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Or some have that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, it depends what kind of season that is. I
mean when I spoke, I talked about it an encounter,
and this went down pretty badly out that the Bedfoot conference.
There's an old encounter many years ago. I'm not sure
if you're familiar with it, the White Taki Eddy. A
number of years back, there were sightings of a large
upright walgan homitad in the White tackris and a bushwalker
(07:55):
was up there and he was raped by this beast.
And I ended up doing a speech on this, and
it kind of blew their minds slightly. It might be best
if we just run that. I don't know if behind
a large upright.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Walking Homered threw him to the ground, ripped his jeans off,
and raped him. Okay, he later found his jeans torn
up to shreds in the manner that no human could do.
A couple of miles from the from the where the
rape scene. A number of years later, he was up
there once again, and again he was raped by the
same beast. We believe he was raped not once, not twice,
(08:32):
but thrice over a four year period.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Pretty powerful stuff. There's you can see the the audience,
the the were captive and they had never heard anything
like that before. I mean, basically, as you say, someone's
gone up there, he's been raped not once, not twice,
but thrice. I mean being raped once will be bad enough.
Twice pretty bad, but thrice?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, what kind of big se question? Why I keep
going back? I guess back in the woods? Yeah, yeah,
it certainly does. I mean, why would you keep going back?
He starting to wonder whether he's part of the problem.
You know me that, But it's also key to you know,
bring some science to this. I mean that, of course,
there's a lot of serious bigfoot researchers in the States,
in the himalay as well, throwing signs at this, which
(09:18):
was which is a good thing. We were measuring footprints,
but we wanted to go a step further measure how
deeply footprints are trying to get, you know, using top
computer technology, how big the beast actually.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I might be through the weight and mass of the
of the footprint, if you like.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And what was the sort of the result of that research.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Surprisingly, he's only about three and a half foot tall.
He had massive feet, but it was only this big.
So just because you got big feet doesn't mean you're
you're a big person, even in the bigfoot realm, if
you know what I mean. So that kind of stuff,
again is throwing shade a lot of their research, and
I was beginning to become slightly unpopular with some of
(10:00):
the other researchers there. So I would always try to
speak towards the end of the conference so as not
to have fact my credibility up to that point.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Your results weren't in line with the research of not.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
All of it, not all of it, I think just
bringing a little bit more common sense to the whole thing.
But it fascinating. Nevertheless, I mean, do you believe in
big foot yourself? Do you believe it's such a creature
could exist? After all, the year is not discovered.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
What depends if there's more than one bigfoot? I guess
that need to be some procreation going on. So there's
big feet plural potentially. I have seen the grainy footage
of what could potentially be a big foot.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
A common sense. The Okham's razor is the term we
can use. But that's basically says the most the most
obvious answer is that normally the true one soon If
there hasn't been a decent photo, there probably isn't one.
They've never found a dead body, you know, and they've
found dead bears, dead out dead moose in the woods,
but never a never a big foot, never.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
A bigfoot skeleton, no, which begs the question.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That's right, Look, we'll take a break. What's not my show?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You just take a break, told it there for a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Later we're back to talk about a few more mysteries,
like much you Peach you and in con Goolden Peru,
much a peach, Welcome back to Pay to Talk, we
are talking mystery Its Mysterious Planet with the host of
the show, Lee Hart, and well we were just talking
about Bigfoot. How did that show? How did that episode
(11:28):
all wrap up?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, well we got kicked out of the conference. We
went to a big Foot conference and got ejected from
that in the end, right to move on to South America.
The reason being, of course, I didn't have too much
to do with what we were discussing in the big
Foot conference. It was more of a case. I wrote
an article on the fact that I was at the
big Foot conference, and the first line said, if you
can't get laid at a Bigfoot conference, you can't get
(11:50):
laid anywhere. And that went round like wildfire, and I
became sort of like the pariah I suppose of the
Bigfoot community here, and they put a fat way roam me,
you know, basically tried to take me out right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I can imagine that the rate of virgins at a
Bigfoot conference are quite potentially Why don't.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Have any data on that, but what I'm trying to say.
And we moved on from there South America, and I
had a five and a half year ban from all
future Bigfoot conferences, so I should be able to go again.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That band has laps, it has labs now, Okay, it
has labs now.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
So we moved to South America. Was the next thing
to look at mash Appeacial who built it? Why? And
then tried to track down some lost ink of gold
in the jungle. And this is really on the series
where the wheels are starting to fall off slightly on
the show, we're only you know, two mysteries, well one
mystery in Really.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's impressive that the wheels river were on to be
fair well.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Look, I mean this is a stressful stuff. I mean,
you're married, now, let's submit it. Most people's wives think
they're a bit of a loser anyway, that's before they
become a big footer. Let alone being a researcher doing
a documentary about people search for big foot. You know
what I mean, I can put a strain on relationships.
So you know, we were we were there doing our best,
(13:04):
got off to a pretty bad start. Actually, there's this one.
Because of budgety reasons, we're doing the show on mysteries,
but I'm having to give the viewer much much more
other than just a mystery show. I decided to make
it a nature documentary as well in many ways, you know,
showing the viewer the wildlife, flora, fauna. It wasn't really
you know, I should have stayed in my lane when
(13:26):
I think about it now, So if I recall rightly,
we're you know, close to mes Pishu in the jungle,
and I pick up a dangerous snake which I knew
nothing about. How you to stay back with you and
I'm showing it to the camera. I'm trying to do
my best Atinburgh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Steve when yeah, expert, but that looks.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Like a yellow plago, the most dangerous snake that having
through And I'm showing it to the to the cameraman,
of course, And I remember, rightly, the snake may have
got caught up in the cameraon's headphones.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I don't think snakes like that, you know that
they do.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Me.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Just remember he's more scared about some I've pad me,
got your headphones in there, Brett, get the headphones out
of there.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And while he didn't because he got bitten by the
snake and all hell broke loose.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
To speak at tag Us, Lee stuns it with a
pan flute, then returns it to the river.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Whence it came. We lost a couple of days filming.
He had to go to hospital, of course, wear a
shorter cameramon for a couple of days, and I had
to film all sorts of stuff myself, sunsets and sunrises
and you know, some set up tripods, all the sort
of stuff which I'm not used to doing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You're still in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh yeah, No, he came back onto the thing, but
it'd certainly affected morale. You know. We had a busy schedules.
We were up half now before we went to bed
sometimes you know, without filming, and he's back on deck there,
you know, questioning every decision I'm making, of course, you know,
because he's been bitten by a snake. But anyway, we
got through it in the end. Tough shoot, though, tough
shoot that one. You got to remember up in the
(14:56):
altitude quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Is this before you even got up to Matriphu.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All were up and down, rope and down the whole time.
That's the problem. Sometimes the schedule would be filming something
up at thirty thousand feet, come back down to close
to sea level to do some interviews in a museum
or something. Then we go back up to thirty thousand
feet against up and down. I'm up in the altitude.
Everyone's affected by it. I started to get quite clumsy
with the altitude sickness. I fell off a cliff about
(15:22):
sort of sixty seventy foot cliff into the Colker River
while while I was interviewing a.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Guide the whole world.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And that was an ideal. I'm up there trying to
take photos and big canyons and sort of stuff and
haven't putten them the lens probably on my camera, that
kind of stuff, and that's dropped off into the canyon.
I fell out of moving vehicles two or three times
at altitude.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Then drama as LEAs boiling out of the documentary vehicle
will need to stop so he can get back in it.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That'sn't the sort of thing you do and on a
suburban kid run to the supermarket or picking up the
kids from school. You know that that's stuff we were
experiencing because it's high intensity, trying to stick to that budget,
trying to get everything done at altitude.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So it's just the altitude that was sort of causing
all this climbs in us, or it was sort of
the concoction of anything look.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I mean, of course, you know you will work hard,
your play hard. You know, you know you finish it,
you know. But of filming, of course you get have
a few meals at nine, a few bourbons, that sort
of stuff. You know, we were younger. Then you've got
to remember where you're doing. The coca leaves, you chew
them to help with the altitude sickness, right, And I
didn't realize that's a gateway drug to cocaine. So you
(16:57):
throw that in the mix. You're starting to get a
picture of that. But we had a mission. We had
to solve this mystery, and by this stag forgot what
the mystery was. I still can't remember what we're actually
trying to solve. Obviously, Matthew Pich gave me into it
always does, but I can't remember what we're supposed to
be doing. I do recall it a jungle. We're having
so many we're having drugs, as I say, for the
(17:17):
altitude sickness up and down. We're having drugs for malaria.
For the jungle stuff. You combine that with a bit
of alcohol cocaine, you're going to get a lot of
weird sort of side effect results.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I can imagine, and then that obviously hinders your ability
to solve the mystery.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It certainly does, and I think I think a jur
producer probably described the best in one of the piece
of games, which I was quite keen to cut out
of the documentary, but somehow we didn't have We still got.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
That you can get headaches, interingestion erections at inappropriate moments,
which ajspan at firsthand.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I mean, unwanted erections are a real pain in the ass,
and it happens in an appropriate moments, moments when we're
trying to be quite a professional crew and I turn
up and including archaeologist tribes, some of the tribes on
are topless. That makes me look like I'm getting aroused.
I mean I would, I mean I should. I don't,
but I could. It just kind of makes me look
(18:11):
like a bit of a six tourist and not a professional.
That's that's the only way with all these pills were taking.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
You really wish I'd cut that out. Now. Somehow it's
made into this the worst part of it. It's got
in near twice anyway, so as you can imagine where
they're mixing with with with locals, tribes, people, you know,
pretty amazing stuff and drugs. Well, yeah, but that say,
you seem to be stuck on that matter. It was
it was more than that. You know, we were actually
(18:41):
trying to make award winning stuff here in many ways
I think we did.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Did you want any awards.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
On that trip?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, or any of them?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
We didn't really put it into any awards in that
in that series, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We we so, so what conclusions? What did you solve
from this this Peru episode.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
In this series? Yeah, one of the main things we
learned was about Musha piechue, how it was built or
how to say it even. I mean that's how you said,
Musha pieche Does it not much?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Huo picture much Musha picture mushall.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Pie Sure, you've got to put a bit more emotion
and into it, I think, you know, in a documentary
sense anyway. Yeah, up up up there we learned, I
mean who built it? Were the anchors? Did the local
people built it? Obviously? How do they do it? It's amazing
how many people who live up there and the locals
don't actually believe that stone masons from another solar system
(19:39):
came and built the pyramids, which that was the narrative
I was running with because that's what I've seen in
other documentaries. Because you got to ask the question, Matt,
I mean, why would you have stone masons from another
you know, solar system, you know, six seven, eight light
years away coming here purely to cut stones on Earth
and put them on top of each other. Yeah, and
(20:00):
then put a mud that's roof on top of it.
I know if they'll be doing that, And that's I
started to question what I've seen before in documentaries.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, it does make you wonder if the jew the
juice is with the squeeze sort of coming best far
with that sort of technology to get here just to
fetch some rooms.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And then do plasters from another solar sism come after
the fact and do the plastering work. Yeah, these are
things we don't know. And what I learned, if nothing else,
was that they probably didn't so that in some way, yes,
we did go a small way to solve that mystery.
But I'm probably not the first person to put forward
the theory that stonemasons from another solarism didn't come here
(20:37):
in the manner that they did. But look all this research,
the hard work. We mentioned some of them and then
our chiteacts, etcetera. It did take its toll on the
crew a couple of times. I might have been quite
short with aj the producer. We may have some footage
of that. We roll that footage.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
How story must begin here, but I want to get
a Spanish on their bloodthirsty lust for gold never actually made.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It look zip it where? Just zip it? Play it,
fruity panphy tuns up here. We've been over this once before.
It's corecked there now and again that. I don't know
how that got into the documentary itself, but when you
make a documentary on a budget like this, most of
(21:23):
it does get in somehow.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So so in a nutshell, this mystery also was not solved.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Well, I'm not too well. As I said, I can't
remember what we were trying to solve.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, all right, I might just hold you there, ready
for good?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I take another quick break and we'll be back
to delve into a few more mysteries. Welcome back to
Paid to Talk all thanks to Uber one, and we've
got very special guest, Lee Hart, host of the TV
show Mysterious Planet. Now we've delved into Musha Pishoe, We've
delved into Bigfoot, and I now believe we're going to
delve into Lockness.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, one of the biggest, isn't it. You know, of
course we're in Scotland now trying to solve the mystery
of Locknest, the Locknest monster. You know, if you want
to put the big three in there, you've got Roswell, Bidfoot, Lockness, Mine,
submersibul dinosaur. Do they exist in the modern eraror? I
mean what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, Lockness again, it's sort of up there with Bigfoot,
isn't it. Are they procreating? Have there been some granny
images of Lockness?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Plenty of granny grainy images? Yeah, because there have been
sightings for hundreds of not thousands of years of the
Lockness monster. So that in many ways is compelling and interesting.
Our job, of course, with our team, highly trained, with
our equipment, is to get there and once and for
all nothing else. Let's say what it isn't you know
with our audio equipment.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Visual stuff. Sona was that sonar?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
No? No, nobody didn't have that, right. Well, we had
like remote controlled jet boat I suppose you'd call it
model and we had cameras on that and they could
go along the water and stuff, and then we'd hang
microphones in the water as well.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We could listen waterproof ons.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yep, eventually they were. But the main issue there was
you really got to get out on the water if
you want to study something that is a water based creature.
We were unable to do that for about two or
three weeks because the Nassy Hunter, which was the research
vessel that we had hired to use, had been double
(23:19):
booked by a sort of a primary school school camp
type trip going out in the water, you know, doing
that sort of.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Just terrible timing.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, a book, I don't know how I mean, No
matter how much research you can do, you can sometimes
over research and forget to book the boat on the
right day.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What you do for three weeks, Well, we.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Were sort of stuck in a pub basically for two
or three weeks, of different pubs actually, but when we're
talking to different people. Gave us an opportunity to talk
to some of these people on get first own account
eyewitness accounts here from them.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Have you ever seen the Lockhouse Master?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
No, I've never seen a lockless monstruct but my husband
says it's martive to it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
What did I see?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tell me well, I was two years and I don't
have an answer, and finally.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I'm going to check something at you. It's a bit
of a theory I've been using. There's two different types
of evidence with a big Bigfoot, likely as monster anything,
any of these mysteries. You can have weak evidence that's
a grainy photo, you know, an eyewitness account. You can
have strong evidence that would be forensic evidence, something you
(24:23):
can touch, something you can see. Right, A whole lot
of weak evidence stacked up together doesn't suddenly become strong
evidence just because there's lots of it, whereas just a
small pieces of stronger evidence becomes stronger and stronger more
you add to it. And we did a demonstration of
that using beer, I think, and in one of the
(24:44):
pubs again using AJ the producer. You can see here
I'm drinking low al goal beer here to show weak evidence.
AJ on the other hand, he's drinking high strength beer
to show strong evidence. And just see what happens here.
It's quite amazing.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Quarter the way through the experiment, here I am on
low alcohol representing weak evidence, and I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
How are you a James? I feel great. Let's give
it again. But as you can see in real time
there he's collapsing through the door into the bar from
whence he came, and then later on, of course making
a complete ass of himself with those girls over there
(25:34):
in the corner of the bar. So I don't think
you can demonstrate it any clearer than that, different types
of evidence. So one thing that seems to be coming
through this podcast, if you don't mind me saying, Matt,
is that the pressure, the toll that making a show
up mysterious planet can take on the people that are
making it those around it. So if any episode could
(25:54):
be really called a mental health special, it's probably be
the lot Ness episode.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Right, So why would that be the mental health episode?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Well, because we had a guy that had a mental
breakdown during the show. Graham. He's a Scottish researcher and
a cryptosologist. He's expert and sub aquid dinosaurs. He was
the more time a guy that hangs out in the
office researching from the computer reading. A very intelligent man.
But he came and joined us on the trip where
(26:21):
more sort of get your hands sturdy field type of
guys you have been kiywis and stuff. He was married,
of course, and he was going through, I suppose a
messy breakup at the time, and this just put pressure
on him. It was supposed to be a two day
trip ended up being about three and a half weeks
before he got home. By that stage his wife had
left him for it might have been a tyler from
(26:44):
in Vanessa or a furniture imposterer in Dundee. I'm not sure,
but well, either way, he lost his marriage and again
he took that out on us.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So it was nothing to do with his research that
he was doing with you around Lockneest. It was more
effect that his wife was shaking a tyler from Dundee.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm not really sure about that. I don't know how
impressed he was with some of the stuff we were doing.
We were pretty desperate with time, and once we got
back on the now see hunter, the vessel we were
able to use. We didn't have a lot of time
to use our equipment, so we got this, but we
were just basically dredging the lake over a hook again
anchor really hoping just to snag something in the end,
(27:20):
because we were running away. You know, we're paying for
this boat by the hour and hoping to catch something real. Hey, mery,
and we did.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
In the end, what did you catch?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
It was a power cable actually to the to the
local village. A sorry, guys, to some cable which we
hauled onto the boat kind of got snared into the
outboard and all the sort of stuff. So we end
up having to cut that off.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But then drama, he has cut the power to the
southern end western sides of the lock.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Then a raptize. We weren't popular because people knew that
we're out there doing that stuff. You know, you go
back to the BnB we've been staying. They loved us
before that, and you.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Know, especially notable rating because the power went out.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Well now we got to the table writing, that's for sure.
And then of course on the last day, Graham had
a complete meltdown and we tried to kill us basically
just a tooth, except he say, we just had to
do a runner and and leave lot ness. And I
(28:25):
kind of feel we left a lot of unfinished business there.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Technology, get a lot, grime, get a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I told me, so, you again, you didn't solve that mystery.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I left a lot of the data in the hotel room,
a lot of the stuff, the research data and Graham
cosby chasing us with that tripod, smashing the windscreen and
stuff yelling at us. We just thought it was best
to get out of that matt, you know, and then
move on, which we did well.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That that actually seems as good a place as any
to stop this episode. But we've only done about half
I think of the big mysteries that you've covered in
Mysterious Planets. So thinking next week we potentially delve down
to the part two of the Mysterious Plants.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Probably a good point actually, because things behind the scenes
get a lot worse in many ways, not just with
the mysteries, but it really was starting to get quite
in tense. We of course find ourselves in Egypt we're
talking about with the Pyramids, Roswell, of course UFOs that's
a biggie. That's a biggie, and of course on the
Bermuda Triangle. And that was our final one and quite
(29:43):
fitting really, but yeah, look forward.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
To Brilliant All right, all Alvin's that next week with
a very special guest, Lee Hart, who's also co host
of this podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, and I live here Verite Goad
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