November 20, 2025 • 17 mins
Leigh and Matt do a deep dive into the art and science of making a podcast, plus while they’re on deep dives - your chance to win Leigh's regifted sex toy!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast. Welcome along to
another episode of Pay to Talk live from the Eco
Lodge with yourself, Lee, myself, Matt Ward's great to be
here once again.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, thanks Matt.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
As you can tell up here at the Ecolodge, it's
a relaxed place to do a podcast because and then
the day what is a podcast for me? For me?
For me, it's a relaxed environment to have a discussion,
but with someone you know, a good mate, and just
free form it, just freeform it. You may not have
scripted anything, you may not have any sort of ideas,
(00:48):
doesn't mean you can't keep the listener engaged for you know,
for above minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Also it's sort of just a twenty to thirty minute
piece of audio that you have tread water so you
can get paid. Two talking's to name.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah exactly right. Hey, speaking of which, I'm a bit
of a milestone. We've hit podcast the thing now that's
more than most You got twenty two to do, so
that's exciting, you know, come out.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I think we've you got twenty eight to do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fuck, so that's.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Any mean, Yeah, I think you signed the contract. It's
in twenty eight twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Why it would be twenty eight's a weird number.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah as well, I mean you signed it, so okay.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Anyway, side the point, speaking of those, it's better of
a milestone. We've done twenty twenty one full disclosure. Two
of those and Medley were audio only no visual, and
one of those was visual only no audio.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And I'm not sure which is worse. Which would you
need audio?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think you do need audio. It did sound like
we're in a disabled toilet cubicle with with Jeremy Corbet,
which is how we're going to start.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't know how to sayble toilet sounds any different
than a normal sort of googleicle tour, But I digress.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Anyways, do you know the only spot that you take
three people?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, I can put it that way.
You have three people and all the sound equipment of course. Yeah,
it wasn't easy getting.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It down there.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Plus brinth as well as the Britta Mark toilets. So
we're talking about the Jurmy Corbett special last week.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Probably one of the more wholesome scenarios in the Britta
Bark cubicle disabled toilets. I'd imagine there's some pretty untold
stuff that goes on in there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So the main issue for me was not just the
the the audio itself sounding very roomy, you know, was
whenever someone opened the door, the attractive vans would go
on and that would add to the audio aspect of it.
So if you haven't listened to it, don't bother. It's
it's a it's a it's a tough listen, but there
you go. That was last week's podcast. Probably time to
(02:41):
adjust the elephant of the room. And when's too soon
too soon?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, I guess as long as your partner's sort of satisfied,
then you're good to go anytime after that. Really, No, no.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm talking about the about Christmas, Dore.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
When's it too soon to bring Christmas decorations into your
home into your podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean we're in November too soon? No, I don't
think so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Actually, it's a bit cliche. During the Christmas fere around Christmas,
no one watches it, they exactly, everyone's on the pass
and not listening to podcasts or watching them if you've
got the audio and the visuals there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So I think we've.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Gone nicely early, kind of like the justin the COVID response,
go hard, go early, yes, and we're good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To go again.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That that that that response can be similar to what
you were talking about the elebum.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
In the room aspect.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know, if you go too soon, too soon, that
could be from going too hard too early.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, that's the least popular situation i'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Speaking of which, in an early podcast episode, we caught
up with Morgan pen set Sologists, one of our highest
rating podcasts for many reason. A.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
There was a guest me.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
She was female, and see she seems to know what
she's talking about. She gave us some gifts to give away.
I had the what would you call it, the heat
seeking ars torpedo that she gave that to me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'll be giving that away.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
At the end of this podcast to a lucky lucky listen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't think anyone wants your used sort of heat
seeking that was used.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's not what I did.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What was the technical term for the It was a
technical term, not the heat seeking ours torpedo.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're right, it was the heat seeking ass torpedo.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just basically, it's not your fault that the male g
spot was positioned, and so not just you. For every
male positioned inside the rictum, there so that's when there's
only one way to.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Reach it with right. Hey, just why I've got you there,
matt Am.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
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Speaker 3 (04:42):
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Speaker 1 (04:57):
I feel like half of those businesses went defunked after
you did.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
The ed No No, that was all going But these
are businesses that have supported me over the last thirty years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Got the opportunity while we're doing a podcast to give
them a bit of a shout out.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I'm not dealing with a lot of them now, obviously
still with Hellas of course and Snacker Janggy, but then
they've supported me over the years, and who knows they
make him back on board well Bonus bonsor shutdown.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Nothing to do with the no.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, It was going strong when I did it. That
was back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You've got a decent money for an ads back then
and nowadays everything sends to me on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But do you have any of those sponsors on board
for this podcast? Well? How is technically? Are you know?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
How is there you go? Have you tried their new
salami range. We'll probably run a bit of an ad
on that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Could we know? Okay, and also.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Make a jaggy chips if you tried the new prown cocktail.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have actually delicious thoughts. Yeah, good, you can take those,
Thank you. This can be the page talk and commercial special.
I guess we can just reddle through. I mean a
lot of people say, what is a podcast? It's a
radio show with no budget?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Uh, And technically they'll be right, But for me, it's
not a shunting need to have a chat about things
I wouldn't really talk about or want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Is there anything you'd like to delve into? And as
an example.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The mental health people, it's the other top rating ones.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
If you can do a mental health especially where you
talk about marriage break ups, alcoholism, drug.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Addiction, coming back from that depress and that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Kind of stuff, and this is you in the last year.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well yeah, and I take my hat off to the
people that do that, Yeah, that's gonna be a top
rated I mean, if I hark back to my childhood,
I technically was growing up as a full blown retard.
If you listen to my father, you know, you know
what I mean. We say, you know, in the tool
shed when I was helping him out grabbing stuff and
that you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Grab that your retard.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You couldn't say that nowadays, if you know what I'm saying,
But that's times for different, then you couldn't say that
now you know, Yeah he still does.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But now in a podcast environment you can't say things.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So you can't say retarded in a podcast or is
that We don't know in context.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know. That's context with everything.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Even in the podcasts, even if people aren't listening to it,
like this one, you still have to watch what you
say because I know what's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's real, Murvi, it's law.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No one has listened to your podcast, and all of
a sudden you say something really stupid and controversial, and
all of a sudden, it's all over the news as
if you're in the top podcast in the whole world
and you're some sort of weirdo and some sort of you're.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Going down the rabbit holes. I mean, you know what
I mean, when really you're just you're filling in time,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, would you say on some level you still are
a full blown retail I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I wouldn't, and that's not for me to say that though.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't think a retail is the best person of
the day, whether they are a retailed or not.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Just the same as I think we'll just take a
quick break there and we'll be back right after this.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A good point, Matt, because a huge part of podcasts
a podcast breaks. Welcome back to pay to talk. We're
paid to talk, you're not paid to listen. We certainly
hope you doing, Matt. We've been talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The podcasts podcast What makes good podcasts? What it is
a podcast?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Well, there's a lot of podcasts are very earnest. Yes,
I like to delve deep into the real issues. Mental health. Yeah,
perfect example, people, you know, the barriers get brought down.
People feel comfortable to sort of open up about their
mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Marriage breakups, for example.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Remember the top rating podcast I've been on, regardless of
who the podcast has been talking about my marriage breakup,
you know, and the first couple, and it hadn't actually
broken up yet, but I said, what the hell, I'll
talk about a marriage breakup.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
To bring the ratings up.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And my wife heard it, and ironically that was almost
a fuel that got the whole thing moving ahead. Really right,
I hadn't actually broken up. I was just joking about it,
and she heard the podcast. It almost meant where we
might as well now and yeah, he had the last
laugh there.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Ah, okay, so I get that. So you kind of
need that sort of story to get onto a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I mean that's why we struggle with guests on the
on this thing because often we'll have we'll have a
top guest lined up, and I think it's normally you.
You You will have a question. Now You'll say to them,
can you make Tuesday? It's only take an hour. Have
you had a marriage break up recently? Have you got
any issues going on at the moment that we can
talk about.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
On as your mental health?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Full blown retab that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yes, these things you need to know aboutground on people.
You've got to do your research.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You do, you do?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No, it all makes sense really, and apparently the top
rating podcasts are ones with the guests on them.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, so shame you can't get him many of those.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, it's not through lack of trying.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Ring people. Sometimes they can do a Tuesday. Sometimes they
can do a Wednesday. You can't do a Wednesday because
you're juggling that. I can't do the Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I can do Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh not all the time, you can.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was mostly Tuesdays that I can't really do.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, but Wednesday mornings you can do.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wednesday morning wednes afternoons.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It was kind of better for me. Then we got
to edit it. People don't know about.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That side of it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's got to be a contemporary thing that not too timely,
no point getting you know, Ryan Fox, who's just won
the Canadian Open six weeks down the.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Track, because everyone else has done it by then, I
can kind of see it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I can kind of see it from their perspective now,
because when you put it like that, it's half the
time you can't really be asked going on your own podcast.
One getting someone else to come in and listen to
this show, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I remember that time that we got who's the guest
came in here to the studio and we phoned it
and we zoomed and we actually.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Weren't even here.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, so you can understand why. You know, they've had
a little sort.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Of the car doing the candy run and you're in Fiji.
I think, yeah, let's get speaking of marriage. Actually, yes,
I actually I figured it's sort of you being a
single divorcee living by yourself, perfect person gets I was
married for quite a long time, so yeah, I figured
you could be a good one to get some some
marriage advice. As you know, a few months ago got married. Yes,
(10:55):
and before that the anniversary was obviously the first time
you met them or we started going out. It's actually
your sort of to blame us. We see that the
night I met my now wife.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But it's quite a real sort of Epstein sort of vibe,
it doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, you're on the list. The issue I'm finding is
that there seems to be a whole bunch of new anniversaries.
It's sort of snowboard to a ridiculous point. We got
married a few months ago, we got that anniversary. It's
nine years since I met her at a bar.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So it's nine years since you met That was your anniversary.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That was the anniversary, But now doesn't doesn't the winning
anniversary sort of over Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
What should normally happen with normal in the Western world
the way we do it, I mean, or in the
Commonwealth anyway, you know, we drive on the left normally.
Once you are officially married, that will cancel out previous
anniversaries when you verse met, because when did youraw the line?
You got to stop at.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Some point exactly. That's what I thought, Great, I'm going
to listen to this podcast because she doesn't listen to this.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And then when you break up, that cancels out, or
the anniversary before that as well. Anyway, so you don't
no longer have the universary wedding or when you met
that Trump's all.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It is actually kind of your fault that today's our
nine ye anniversary in the shoes sort of cropped up
because it was actually in a bar. We were out
together that night, and I think you you you because
people obviously knew who you were. The bouncers knew who
you were. You got it and I had to stand
at the back of the queue, and then and then
you came out and got me, and then I proceeded
to go in and meet by my future wife. So
it's basically your phone.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You make it so having quite cool then, and I
think their bounces are actually throwing me out. So it
was a kind of a one and one out scenario,
so they threw them out.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, but it's going well though. You're still together obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, three months into the marriage. We seem to be
still together as far as I'm aware. Two kids, two kids, I.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Mean they are anniversary as well, and I mean that
that probably anniversary the birth of your kids.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean that, well, yeah, well that's that's part of
the snowballing as well. You know, it seems to be
some sort of celebration every month or so, and if
you're throwing extra anniversaries in there as well, it just
seems to be getting a little bit I don't want
to say tedious, but.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, then you get your Mother's Day, I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I started on because Mother's Day, you got to like
they sort of get their own time, but Father's Day
all of a sudden, Oh, you get to spend it
with the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it should be the other way around.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, it's a chance for them to spend time with
the kids and you get time to spend time with
women without kids.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, Yeah, no, it's that seems like a pretty good time.
Throwing a break before I dig my whole any deeper.
We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And we'll be taking your mail your questions right after
the break.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Don't go away, Welcome back to page to talk with
Lee Hart and Matt would like from the Eco Lodge
and this is the podcast special. When speaking of Lee,
I think we've actually got a little bit of fan mail.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, we love getting your mail, by the way, because
this podcast is nothing without you, and I really mean that.
Otherwise it's just a couple of guys in a room,
some cameras and migphones just talking rubbish. Really, you know,
treating order is intelligent as it may seem.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This one from Trev I believe Gooday, guys, love the podcast.
Really top notch stuff. Last week's one sounded a bit dodgy. Yeah,
I think we've adgested we had some more irrasues. It
was at our fault, was Brent's fault, but love the
rest of them. What's the secret to having such a
cracking podcast?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, so that's a good question. It's a tricky question
to answer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What makes a good podcast? Look, if you want to
get into podcasting. We're happy to do one on one
with you and tell you how you can perhaps bring
the best at your podcast. If you're going to do
a podcast, you've got to make it your own. Let
it be your voice. Don't be like every other podcast.
That mean they might be good, but don't try and
(14:39):
copy them. We haven't done that, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You you know, we've actually made it as hard as
possible for ourselves as we can, sort of tricking up
to the Eco Lodge every week. But that's the kind
of thing that you need to do to cut through,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yes? And I think people appreciate the effort we've we've
gone to coming up here bad Wi Fi.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You're to dial up here at the Ego Lodge.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah yeah, But you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Know a podcast, normally a podcast not going out live
will edit this well well some people say not enough,
but and that'll go out in a couple of days.
But my advice would be get yourself some mics, get
yourself a couple of cameras and just have some fun
with it. Get someone you can chat to and just
talk about stuff that you would just as it make
(15:22):
you could go on about books and stuff you're interested in.
You can talk about health issues. You could be a
Q and a style like we do a little bit,
or it could just be a good old chip chat.
But whatever you do, make it your podcast. Remember, not
all podcasts are going to make it just because you
start one.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, there's one hundreds out there now.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They're not all going to make it, you know, they're
not all going to make twenty apps like us and
still be here going sure.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And remember it's just not about talking.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rambling on and on and on and aimlessly rambling on,
ramming on and saying the word podcast all the time
doesn't make it a good podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And yeah, so just to add on to what you
said about not just rambling on, just to hit of
what twenty five minute mark, which we can't be too
far off? Pretty close? Yeah, we just keep treating water fine.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Often the problem of the podcast, which you won't learn
until you do a podcast, is that you're trying to
get to that magic threshold minimum of twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, and just.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
As you're get in there, that's when you actually start
coming out some half decent stuff. But you don't want
to go over that, you know, with that twenty five minutes,
so you go, you know, oh, you know what we'll do.
We'll save that content for next week's podcast. Right, that's
the idea. You finish the podcast and nice and clean,
get out of there, Get out of there, Get out
of there. Don't don't be tempted to try and cram
(16:48):
that stuff and save it for next week. Problem there,
of course, is if you kind of none wrote it
down and forget what it was that, it doesn't make
it in any way. So that doesn't make it either way.
But the point is sticks at the time. Don't be greedy.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. You don't want to
flog a dead horse and sort of tack some really
sold content onto the bank of the podcast where you
can have it.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You're lucky that good.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Content will be early on in the podcast anyway, but
can't be guaranteed. You don't know when it's like magic
in a bottle, enlightening in a bottle. You don't know
what's gonna happen. You don't know what it's gonna happen. Well,
i'll tell you what. This seems like a pretty good
moment to leave it there.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
We'll tell you what I just thought of. Two three, three,
really good things to talk about. But unfortunately we've hit
the twenty five minutes threshold. So I guess we're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That that's out there next week. And you don't want
to probe them, you don't want to tease them at all,
that I remember them down, Okay, Yeah, it's just if
you tease.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Them, it'd be quite good because then we have it
on record what it was. We might report that you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, directly, stick to what we're doing, and we'll catch
you next week.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yep, see you next time. Podcasters. Thank you
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast. Welcome along to
another episode of Pay to Talk live from the Eco
Lodge with yourself, Lee, myself, Matt Ward's great to be
here once again.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, thanks Matt.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
As you can tell up here at the Ecolodge, it's
a relaxed place to do a podcast because and then
the day what is a podcast for me? For me?
For me, it's a relaxed environment to have a discussion,
but with someone you know, a good mate, and just
free form it, just freeform it. You may not have
scripted anything, you may not have any sort of ideas,
(00:48):
doesn't mean you can't keep the listener engaged for you know,
for above minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Also it's sort of just a twenty to thirty minute
piece of audio that you have tread water so you
can get paid. Two talking's to name.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah exactly right. Hey, speaking of which, I'm a bit
of a milestone. We've hit podcast the thing now that's
more than most You got twenty two to do, so
that's exciting, you know, come out.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I think we've you got twenty eight to do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fuck, so that's.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Any mean, Yeah, I think you signed the contract. It's
in twenty eight twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Why it would be twenty eight's a weird number.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah as well, I mean you signed it, so okay.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Anyway, side the point, speaking of those, it's better of
a milestone. We've done twenty twenty one full disclosure. Two
of those and Medley were audio only no visual, and
one of those was visual only no audio.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And I'm not sure which is worse. Which would you
need audio?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think you do need audio. It did sound like
we're in a disabled toilet cubicle with with Jeremy Corbet,
which is how we're going to start.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't know how to sayble toilet sounds any different
than a normal sort of googleicle tour, But I digress.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Anyways, do you know the only spot that you take
three people?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, I can put it that way.
You have three people and all the sound equipment of course. Yeah,
it wasn't easy getting.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It down there.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Plus brinth as well as the Britta Mark toilets. So
we're talking about the Jurmy Corbett special last week.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Probably one of the more wholesome scenarios in the Britta
Bark cubicle disabled toilets. I'd imagine there's some pretty untold
stuff that goes on in there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So the main issue for me was not just the
the the audio itself sounding very roomy, you know, was
whenever someone opened the door, the attractive vans would go
on and that would add to the audio aspect of it.
So if you haven't listened to it, don't bother. It's
it's a it's a it's a tough listen, but there
you go. That was last week's podcast. Probably time to
(02:41):
adjust the elephant of the room. And when's too soon
too soon?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, I guess as long as your partner's sort of satisfied,
then you're good to go anytime after that. Really, No, no.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm talking about the about Christmas, Dore.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
When's it too soon to bring Christmas decorations into your
home into your podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean we're in November too soon? No, I don't
think so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Actually, it's a bit cliche. During the Christmas fere around Christmas,
no one watches it, they exactly, everyone's on the pass
and not listening to podcasts or watching them if you've
got the audio and the visuals there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So I think we've.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Gone nicely early, kind of like the justin the COVID response,
go hard, go early, yes, and we're good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To go again.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That that that that response can be similar to what
you were talking about the elebum.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
In the room aspect.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know, if you go too soon, too soon, that
could be from going too hard too early.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, that's the least popular situation i'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Speaking of which, in an early podcast episode, we caught
up with Morgan pen set Sologists, one of our highest
rating podcasts for many reason. A.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
There was a guest me.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
She was female, and see she seems to know what
she's talking about. She gave us some gifts to give away.
I had the what would you call it, the heat
seeking ars torpedo that she gave that to me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'll be giving that away.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
At the end of this podcast to a lucky lucky listen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't think anyone wants your used sort of heat
seeking that was used.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's not what I did.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What was the technical term for the It was a
technical term, not the heat seeking ours torpedo.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're right, it was the heat seeking ass torpedo.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just basically, it's not your fault that the male g
spot was positioned, and so not just you. For every
male positioned inside the rictum, there so that's when there's
only one way to.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Reach it with right. Hey, just why I've got you there,
matt Am.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
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Speaker 3 (04:42):
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Speaker 1 (04:57):
I feel like half of those businesses went defunked after
you did.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
The ed No No, that was all going But these
are businesses that have supported me over the last thirty years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Got the opportunity while we're doing a podcast to give
them a bit of a shout out.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I'm not dealing with a lot of them now, obviously
still with Hellas of course and Snacker Janggy, but then
they've supported me over the years, and who knows they
make him back on board well Bonus bonsor shutdown.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Nothing to do with the no.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, It was going strong when I did it. That
was back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You've got a decent money for an ads back then
and nowadays everything sends to me on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But do you have any of those sponsors on board
for this podcast? Well? How is technically? Are you know?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
How is there you go? Have you tried their new
salami range. We'll probably run a bit of an ad
on that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Could we know? Okay, and also.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Make a jaggy chips if you tried the new prown cocktail.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have actually delicious thoughts. Yeah, good, you can take those,
Thank you. This can be the page talk and commercial special.
I guess we can just reddle through. I mean a
lot of people say, what is a podcast? It's a
radio show with no budget?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Uh, And technically they'll be right, But for me, it's
not a shunting need to have a chat about things
I wouldn't really talk about or want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Is there anything you'd like to delve into? And as
an example.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The mental health people, it's the other top rating ones.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
If you can do a mental health especially where you
talk about marriage break ups, alcoholism, drug.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Addiction, coming back from that depress and that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Kind of stuff, and this is you in the last year.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well yeah, and I take my hat off to the
people that do that, Yeah, that's gonna be a top
rated I mean, if I hark back to my childhood,
I technically was growing up as a full blown retard.
If you listen to my father, you know, you know
what I mean. We say, you know, in the tool
shed when I was helping him out grabbing stuff and
that you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Grab that your retard.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You couldn't say that nowadays, if you know what I'm saying,
But that's times for different, then you couldn't say that
now you know, Yeah he still does.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But now in a podcast environment you can't say things.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So you can't say retarded in a podcast or is
that We don't know in context.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know. That's context with everything.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Even in the podcasts, even if people aren't listening to it,
like this one, you still have to watch what you
say because I know what's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's real, Murvi, it's law.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No one has listened to your podcast, and all of
a sudden you say something really stupid and controversial, and
all of a sudden, it's all over the news as
if you're in the top podcast in the whole world
and you're some sort of weirdo and some sort of you're.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Going down the rabbit holes. I mean, you know what
I mean, when really you're just you're filling in time,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, would you say on some level you still are
a full blown retail I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I wouldn't, and that's not for me to say that though.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't think a retail is the best person of
the day, whether they are a retailed or not.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Just the same as I think we'll just take a
quick break there and we'll be back right after this.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A good point, Matt, because a huge part of podcasts
a podcast breaks. Welcome back to pay to talk. We're
paid to talk, you're not paid to listen. We certainly
hope you doing, Matt. We've been talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The podcasts podcast What makes good podcasts? What it is
a podcast?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Well, there's a lot of podcasts are very earnest. Yes,
I like to delve deep into the real issues. Mental health. Yeah,
perfect example, people, you know, the barriers get brought down.
People feel comfortable to sort of open up about their
mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Marriage breakups, for example.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Remember the top rating podcast I've been on, regardless of
who the podcast has been talking about my marriage breakup,
you know, and the first couple, and it hadn't actually
broken up yet, but I said, what the hell, I'll
talk about a marriage breakup.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
To bring the ratings up.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And my wife heard it, and ironically that was almost
a fuel that got the whole thing moving ahead. Really right,
I hadn't actually broken up. I was just joking about it,
and she heard the podcast. It almost meant where we
might as well now and yeah, he had the last
laugh there.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Ah, okay, so I get that. So you kind of
need that sort of story to get onto a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I mean that's why we struggle with guests on the
on this thing because often we'll have we'll have a
top guest lined up, and I think it's normally you.
You You will have a question. Now You'll say to them,
can you make Tuesday? It's only take an hour. Have
you had a marriage break up recently? Have you got
any issues going on at the moment that we can
talk about.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
On as your mental health?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Full blown retab that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yes, these things you need to know aboutground on people.
You've got to do your research.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You do, you do?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No, it all makes sense really, and apparently the top
rating podcasts are ones with the guests on them.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, so shame you can't get him many of those.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, it's not through lack of trying.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Ring people. Sometimes they can do a Tuesday. Sometimes they
can do a Wednesday. You can't do a Wednesday because
you're juggling that. I can't do the Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I can do Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh not all the time, you can.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was mostly Tuesdays that I can't really do.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, but Wednesday mornings you can do.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wednesday morning wednes afternoons.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It was kind of better for me. Then we got
to edit it. People don't know about.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That side of it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's got to be a contemporary thing that not too timely,
no point getting you know, Ryan Fox, who's just won
the Canadian Open six weeks down the.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Track, because everyone else has done it by then, I
can kind of see it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I can kind of see it from their perspective now,
because when you put it like that, it's half the
time you can't really be asked going on your own podcast.
One getting someone else to come in and listen to
this show, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I remember that time that we got who's the guest
came in here to the studio and we phoned it
and we zoomed and we actually.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Weren't even here.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, so you can understand why. You know, they've had
a little sort.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Of the car doing the candy run and you're in Fiji.
I think, yeah, let's get speaking of marriage. Actually, yes,
I actually I figured it's sort of you being a
single divorcee living by yourself, perfect person gets I was
married for quite a long time, so yeah, I figured
you could be a good one to get some some
marriage advice. As you know, a few months ago got married. Yes,
(10:55):
and before that the anniversary was obviously the first time
you met them or we started going out. It's actually
your sort of to blame us. We see that the
night I met my now wife.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But it's quite a real sort of Epstein sort of vibe,
it doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, you're on the list. The issue I'm finding is
that there seems to be a whole bunch of new anniversaries.
It's sort of snowboard to a ridiculous point. We got
married a few months ago, we got that anniversary. It's
nine years since I met her at a bar.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So it's nine years since you met That was your anniversary.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That was the anniversary, But now doesn't doesn't the winning
anniversary sort of over Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
What should normally happen with normal in the Western world
the way we do it, I mean, or in the
Commonwealth anyway, you know, we drive on the left normally.
Once you are officially married, that will cancel out previous
anniversaries when you verse met, because when did youraw the line?
You got to stop at.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Some point exactly. That's what I thought, Great, I'm going
to listen to this podcast because she doesn't listen to this.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And then when you break up, that cancels out, or
the anniversary before that as well. Anyway, so you don't
no longer have the universary wedding or when you met
that Trump's all.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It is actually kind of your fault that today's our
nine ye anniversary in the shoes sort of cropped up
because it was actually in a bar. We were out
together that night, and I think you you you because
people obviously knew who you were. The bouncers knew who
you were. You got it and I had to stand
at the back of the queue, and then and then
you came out and got me, and then I proceeded
to go in and meet by my future wife. So
it's basically your phone.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You make it so having quite cool then, and I
think their bounces are actually throwing me out. So it
was a kind of a one and one out scenario,
so they threw them out.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, but it's going well though. You're still together obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, three months into the marriage. We seem to be
still together as far as I'm aware. Two kids, two kids, I.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Mean they are anniversary as well, and I mean that
that probably anniversary the birth of your kids.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean that, well, yeah, well that's that's part of
the snowballing as well. You know, it seems to be
some sort of celebration every month or so, and if
you're throwing extra anniversaries in there as well, it just
seems to be getting a little bit I don't want
to say tedious, but.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, then you get your Mother's Day, I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I started on because Mother's Day, you got to like
they sort of get their own time, but Father's Day
all of a sudden, Oh, you get to spend it
with the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it should be the other way around.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, it's a chance for them to spend time with
the kids and you get time to spend time with
women without kids.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, Yeah, no, it's that seems like a pretty good time.
Throwing a break before I dig my whole any deeper.
We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And we'll be taking your mail your questions right after
the break.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Don't go away, Welcome back to page to talk with
Lee Hart and Matt would like from the Eco Lodge
and this is the podcast special. When speaking of Lee,
I think we've actually got a little bit of fan mail.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, we love getting your mail, by the way, because
this podcast is nothing without you, and I really mean that.
Otherwise it's just a couple of guys in a room,
some cameras and migphones just talking rubbish. Really, you know,
treating order is intelligent as it may seem.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This one from Trev I believe Gooday, guys, love the podcast.
Really top notch stuff. Last week's one sounded a bit dodgy. Yeah,
I think we've adgested we had some more irrasues. It
was at our fault, was Brent's fault, but love the
rest of them. What's the secret to having such a
cracking podcast?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, so that's a good question. It's a tricky question
to answer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What makes a good podcast? Look, if you want to
get into podcasting. We're happy to do one on one
with you and tell you how you can perhaps bring
the best at your podcast. If you're going to do
a podcast, you've got to make it your own. Let
it be your voice. Don't be like every other podcast.
That mean they might be good, but don't try and
(14:39):
copy them. We haven't done that, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You you know, we've actually made it as hard as
possible for ourselves as we can, sort of tricking up
to the Eco Lodge every week. But that's the kind
of thing that you need to do to cut through,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yes? And I think people appreciate the effort we've we've
gone to coming up here bad Wi Fi.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You're to dial up here at the Ego Lodge.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah yeah, But you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Know a podcast, normally a podcast not going out live
will edit this well well some people say not enough,
but and that'll go out in a couple of days.
But my advice would be get yourself some mics, get
yourself a couple of cameras and just have some fun
with it. Get someone you can chat to and just
talk about stuff that you would just as it make
(15:22):
you could go on about books and stuff you're interested in.
You can talk about health issues. You could be a
Q and a style like we do a little bit,
or it could just be a good old chip chat.
But whatever you do, make it your podcast. Remember, not
all podcasts are going to make it just because you
start one.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, there's one hundreds out there now.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They're not all going to make it, you know, they're
not all going to make twenty apps like us and
still be here going sure.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And remember it's just not about talking.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rambling on and on and on and aimlessly rambling on,
ramming on and saying the word podcast all the time
doesn't make it a good podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And yeah, so just to add on to what you
said about not just rambling on, just to hit of
what twenty five minute mark, which we can't be too
far off? Pretty close? Yeah, we just keep treating water fine.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Often the problem of the podcast, which you won't learn
until you do a podcast, is that you're trying to
get to that magic threshold minimum of twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, and just.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
As you're get in there, that's when you actually start
coming out some half decent stuff. But you don't want
to go over that, you know, with that twenty five minutes,
so you go, you know, oh, you know what we'll do.
We'll save that content for next week's podcast. Right, that's
the idea. You finish the podcast and nice and clean,
get out of there, Get out of there, Get out
of there. Don't don't be tempted to try and cram
(16:48):
that stuff and save it for next week. Problem there,
of course, is if you kind of none wrote it
down and forget what it was that, it doesn't make
it in any way. So that doesn't make it either way.
But the point is sticks at the time. Don't be greedy.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. You don't want to
flog a dead horse and sort of tack some really
sold content onto the bank of the podcast where you
can have it.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You're lucky that good.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Content will be early on in the podcast anyway, but
can't be guaranteed. You don't know when it's like magic
in a bottle, enlightening in a bottle. You don't know
what's gonna happen. You don't know what it's gonna happen. Well,
i'll tell you what. This seems like a pretty good
moment to leave it there.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
We'll tell you what I just thought of. Two three, three,
really good things to talk about. But unfortunately we've hit
the twenty five minutes threshold. So I guess we're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That that's out there next week. And you don't want
to probe them, you don't want to tease them at all,
that I remember them down, Okay, Yeah, it's just if
you tease.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Them, it'd be quite good because then we have it
on record what it was. We might report that you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, directly, stick to what we're doing, and we'll catch
you next week.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yep, see you next time. Podcasters. Thank you
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