Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 47: Live at the Bell House - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's Wednesday, which can only mean one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're recapping our old shows with all new commentary, updates
and insights.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And today we're recapping episode forty seven, which we named
at the time, Live at the Bellhouse.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Can you guess where we were and what was happening
at this moment? I bet you can't guess.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
This episode came out on December fifteenth, twenty sixteen, of course,
the fifth anniversary of Impractical Jokers premiere.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know that we were forever changed, all right, So
let's listen to the intro of episode forty seven, where
we are live at the Bellhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi. Hi, everybody, this is our conference about global warming.
But it's not the problem you think it is. No,

(01:23):
we're here to tell you don't worry about the ice
sheet disappearing. No, it's gonna be better. You're gonna die
so much sooner than that. Okay, the fastest dying guys. Yeah,
the Bell House. We're finally like we've been. We've been planning.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
This, we've been thinking about it, we've been talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
We've been talking to each other and to Andrew here
at the Bellhouse about it, and here we are. We
we we booked this gig ourselves. Thank you. We didn't
know and so we did it. Yeah, we were like,
it doesn't matter, we should do probably a small intimate vin. Yeah,

(02:13):
we're really excited about this. We have a guest, a
murdering now Storier. I think next time we should ask
for like wireless Janet Jackson Mike so we can just
really roam the stage as we clearly want. Yeah, do
some black cat before we actually sit down. I get
some murder in my mind. Anything. I just want to

(02:34):
show everybody. I don't know if you know, but we
were at Sephora earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Hence all the makeup on my face. I have an
I'm Karen fan, so.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Much lipstick on right now. This is the closest I
could get to the Crown Elizabeth lipcolor. Thank you very much,
thank you. Oh my god, I'm not gonna tell you.
Uh wow, fucking hate that. It's mine. The fucking audacity

(03:07):
I'm getting. You're sweet. I love it. Are you beat
anchors or what that's my friend Millie's saying? Be anchors?
I Milly, we actually were in Sophora, a very crowded
Brooklyn Sophora and I was squatted down putting every color
of lip and I thing, I thought, all my face,

(03:28):
I thought, and Georgia had immediately broken off from me
and begun to get a makeover ab it and I
I At one point I crossed an aisle and there
was just a woman doing this and george is just standing
there getting getting her face brushed.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I actually kind of hated it because I was like,
what color matches me?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
And I want you to hand it to me.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I don't want you to use your fucking brushes that
you've on every fucking person in the world for the
past twenty four hours, like maybe puts an alcohol on it,
and I'm like, I just was like, I'm breaking out.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, as we speak, you pulled it off. Well, I
thought you were really enjoying yourself. Justn't hurt her feelings.
But I wanted to be like, don't touch.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Me with that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, yeah, it's before there's gonna be there's gonna be
a germ issue for sure. But also, you know what
I don't like is like they ask if they can
help you, and I do want a very specific kind
of help, but I don't want they always try to
get you to let them do your face. It's like, no,
I just want to know the exact number of the

(04:29):
tope lip lines.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
That I wanted too. She was like, well, first take
your makeup off and then come over here, and no,
what fuck get out of here? No I know.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I was like, just put it on top, dude, Like
that's what I'm gonna do anyway, So you broke off
to have that happen to you. I was off by myself,
squatting like a fucking weirdo. And then I hear, you know,
like when you're in a public place. I don't know
if you're like me in a public place. If I
hear someone go like blah blah blah blah, I never

(04:59):
think gets tweety.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And she turning and gave me the She did one
of these of like, don't fucking you know, like she
didn't know was I was talking about her.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No, I just don't. I don't like shouting.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And the girl goes, oh, she just gave us a
dirty look.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
The girl who had been like, I'm a huge fan,
and I was like, fuck you, I'm looking at eyeshadow
right now. But I just thought it was a teen
shouting in a public place, and I wanted to show
them that that's not allowed. And then we don't have
said it was a girl who worked at even Better,
a girl who worked at Sephora who liked our podcast,

(05:34):
And how do you know that we are in person
because of our lip colors. She knows our shit. It's crop.
It was super fun. After I stopped being super bitchy
to her.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I was just sat down the street and these two
sweet girls at a table, like they weren't even obnoxious.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
They were like, hey, we're gonna go see a show
in a minute. I was like, you now, they're fucking obnoxious.
Everyone's here, everyone's to watch it.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's because I sugared them them up because I bought
them chocolate cake.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I was like,
send them some cake? Do you know them? That's so
Hollywood of you, big timing.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I'll send you k I can afford eight dollars cake.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, don't you eat that cake. Cake, Eat the cake.
Eat it's not a beer. Eat her cake. Eat the cake.
She sends to you guys. Anyhow, anyhow, we gotta go.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Live show corner. Oh, Karen, it's fine, it's fine, you're
a lifesaver.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I have the this is just a mint in case
I get worried later on. It's where gotta have that
ship with you. We should have asked for some kind
of a break break point up there, like what I
would have sent private, a private shelf sneeze area they
couldn't see through, so we can have all our secrets.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Uh what if we have a fucking frame photo of
Stephen and the cats up there?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is that? Where would you imagine how great this Christmas
would be? Sorry, he actually is a babysitting in the cats.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I feel like every time we do a live showing
these babies in the cats, it's like how it should be.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's right, him away and us here we had drinking
and all the glory and him doing the work like Cinderella. Yes, yes, yeah, yes, damn.
I'm gonna start calling him Steve from now on Steve
because he's so He's such a like if there's anywhere
in the world he belongs, it's like Brooklyn. He's got
the like he's got the like uneven hair and a

(07:41):
tiny borderline Hitler mustache where I'm like, that could be
problematic if you lived anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's such a Steven, so calling him Steve would be
such a fucking insult.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's like, Steve Jean jacket much, Steve, pick me up
in your dad's truck, Steve. Anyway, Uh, it started snowing
in New York. That's thanks to you, guys. I had
better hair earlier, but then the snow came.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I have really cute coats that don't do anything.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Georgia. When I met Georgia today, uh, first time we met.
We met and we really get along. I met her
on the street corner and she is wearing the thinnest
I think it's a coat that Jane Fonda war in
clute Like, it's just it's just a very thin body

(08:36):
shaping a tope colored It's like.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Wearing the world is Karmen san Diego coat?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Right? Yes? Whatever? It was a smaller lapel, and I
was like, are you dying in that coat? What are
you doing? No, she doesn't give a fuck you guys.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh I do give a fuck. I just act like
I don't. Oh, that's a secret, so I'm not giving
a fuck.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh, okay, you do you just feel it deep down side? Yeah?
What if we were already getting the light.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
End it now you guys all right, cut you guys
end on a high note. Hello.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Bye. We just kind of updated you on our day. Bye,
and then we're gonna leave. Oh oh.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I went to a bar on Friday night called the Vince.
Where's Vince? What's it called?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
He's not even? He left? Your own show? Your husband
get divorce? That's a b what maderos? Thank thank you.
I don't know you think it's not her husband? So
I said this, I said this bar.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I think it was like it was like in like
cobble Hill, and uh we ented. It was like a
kind of a divy bar called Madera's, and like we
ends up sitting like talking to locals, which is like
only a thing you do in Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And it was like the coolest people and like.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
The fucking old timer, like alcoholic dude who was so cool,
was into fucking serial killers. And then this like couple
comes in and they can tell that they've been there
a lot, but they're like cool and young. And he
was a fucking criminal defense attorney. What you little baby
with like dimples and his fucking girlfriend who's like so cute,
Like this cute little hipster was a fucking she was

(10:07):
a forensic Uh what is auditor? What a forensic auditor?
She's fucking she audits shit and then she does taxes
for dead people.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, you don't have that.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And then she's like, you're going to jail, you fucking batman.
Like so a company is like this guy's doing something
wrong and she comes in there and like does the books,
and I'm like badass, Like chicks are good at math.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Fuck you we're not, but like fuck you yeah, yeah yeah.
And we were saying to me, no, I mean you know,
fuck you. What are Roman numerals? I don't know, No
one knows. So we just like it was just like
the best and they were. They were so cool. What
is forensic about auditing? Now?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, forensic just means it's it's law. So it's it's
when like.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I know, I wanted there to be like a bone
in a file or something. It's like, what is this
part of his spine?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
One heart play swell long at six equals eight things?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You're going to jail mother?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Uh No, It's just like I mean I felt bad
for her.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
She just has to sit in a room and you.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Know, like like twit her like calculator.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
That seems fun. Feel bad for her. They were, but
it was just like it was such a fucking it
was so great. You just got to have a real
human experience.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
It was people who are obsessed with fucking deathy things.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
God bless I know. I mean, that's us, right, everybody
I knew and you I'm we have murders here, and
then we have a third person to present a murder,
so we should bring her out. Now, bring her out.
She is our very good friend. You may have seen
her on Girl Code. Uh. You may have seen her

(11:47):
stand up all over the nation. You may have h
ony pre ordered her book.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh that's right, called Wet Delicious, An Unfilled Guide to
Beat Upright.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I've done that. You guy's been a bride. It's fuck
terrifying at AFL what I was just thinking about when
I was and I failed miserably soon after. Yeah, yeah, hey, guys,
where's why's that sound? Here's Jamie Jamie Lee.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Everybody, I love you, I love you too, love you
like so phonny, let's sit down.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
This is getting weird.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Oh my god, Hi, hi, got am I not supposed
to be in the middle?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Is this aggressive? This microphone? Okay, angle that on down.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's a little bit in our faces. Oh go aheadn't okay?

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I bopped mine and it didn't move, because that's not
how Mike's work.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Does this feel kind of like we're at south By
Southwest on a panel giving a panel about how CDs
don't exist anymore?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Guys, I brought you a gift. Yeah, this is for
both of you. What is you'll see?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
A kitten? It was a kitten that's actually not far off.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
So because Elvis as he can't travel, he's at home
because captain travel, I got you an Elvis understudy to
bring with you on the road.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Let's see it. It's Patsy the podcast I'll pack up.
Isn't she plusy? Isn't she now?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Pasca Patsy? You know why do you know why she's
named Patsy?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Why?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Because Patsy John Benny Ramsey book?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, or mom Benet Ramsey that ram So you hack
her with you and she'll bring you lots of luck
and also get fur al over your clothes.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Ask her in our suitcase. Yeah, over we go.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh my god, ah, I just like at her fer
it's just like dashing.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, yes, it's like the snouts and I'd just like
to tell a quick anecdote about when So Jamie Lee
and I sometimes take our dogs to the same dog
park in Los Angeles and we ran into each other
there and uh, she was asking me about this date
and this was a couple months ago. Yes, and said

(14:30):
because she was going to be in New York at
the same time. And she was like, what when is it?
Because I don't want to go to that show? And
I go, why don't you be the guest? And she goes,
oh my god, it's like that. I like, I wish
I could explain. Sorry, that was really hard, but I
wish I could explain her fucking one direction reaction when
I asked her to be the guest. It was the

(14:51):
sweetest thing of all times, so excited and you were like,
he is a coolet Jamie's the guest.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I know.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I already told her, she asked, and I was like,
of course, no, No, You're like, hey, how about Jamie Lee
is the guest? I'm like, yes, like good because I
already told her. I already already yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
It was Thank fucking god. What if I was like no,
and here you.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Are right, I don't I think super high Oh this
one's good down, Like, are we go ahead? Should we?
Let's get underneath it?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's very tom totally.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, I don't know what. I don't know how we
and what do we even? Everyone listens?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Oh yeah, I like it up there, Like the recording
room is like, what is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're missing nothing. There's a lot of mic work going on.
So who goes? Who goes first? In the situation, let's
make the guest go thho, not fucking me? You got first?
I don't know what I'm doing go first? Really, I
told you they're.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
So nice, Like right, are you okay?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Guys? Are you going to be mad am? I going
to be? Are? I'm like no? And then afterwards I'm like, Karen,
can I talk to you for a minute in that
really small bathroom back there? Should we do one of
us and then Jamie? And then I would love that?

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, Yeah, clearly I would love that, just to get
in the zone, you know, gotta warm up.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Do you know this rock paper scissor? Yeah, I don't
know who's first? What are you fucking super I'll go first? No, no, no,
I was just trying to think of who went first?
Last time? Does anyone who I was like, thank you,
thank you, my god.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, God, we get the notes, last week's notes place.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Who's the secretary of this club? Could you read the
minutes back please? Because that's what I meant paying attention.
This is something that we could have figured out while
we were at the four. Why what do we do?

Speaker 4 (17:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, any other time that.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
We've been here for the past twenty and I'm charming,
was that when we just like Danna no because like
we don't even think about it.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
The torto killer, anyone move the alpaca. I don't give
a fuck what you can see. Shut your mouth. No, really,
do you not know how to be in public? You
don't get to talk? No talking? And now when I
meet you afterwards, I'm gonna get in your fucking face.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
There's no oh no, Patsy fell over, Patsy died.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
When Karen is angry and it's Patsy, Patsy falls over, wait, asks.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
You to stop fucking talking.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Ask Patsy if she wants a cookie.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's gonna be so disappointing, and I'm gonna get say no, no,
she'll say something. Just ask her, you, Patsy, you want
a cookie?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yes, Now I'm a lot more eloquent than your cat.
I'm sorry, it's my cheetah.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I'm not doing carbs right now, but I'll make an
exception for you girls. Thanks. Pat Patsy's really high class.
She's a little emo, but we're working through it and
we're back. Hi. I love Patsy the alpaca. That's just
I mean, it's always great to bring some props.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, and it's classy to bring a gift to the hosts.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Always Jamie Lee, classy lady. We also, I think it's
really funny. I'm still talking about the lipstick from the Crown.
I it won't go away.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I didn't realize how much of a theme there was
until we started doing these.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Or do I have some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder?
I mean, what in the hell? And then I just
pull out my makeup for and there's one thousand lipsticks
inside her. It's like you do that.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
We're like, I love this color, and you get home
and you have three of them already.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I can't stop. Oh my god, Especially now that we're
on video, it's like, well, where is the lipstick that's
going to bring it all home for me?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Totally like, this is the one that's going to be like,
and like, should I try orange lipstick? Like I know
it's old fashioned, but like the old Grandma's had orange,
like straight up orange lipstick. I've been kind of like, oh.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, get into that, should I? They're rocking out coral? Yes,
I feel moralry Florida in the sixties. All right, I'll
try it just for anybody that gets upset or worried.
That heckler that I yelled at was totally fine. We
laughed about it after we took pictures. It was all good.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I think that's like the beginning of the Karen. I
hope Karen yells at me from the audience period. Like
I think that made people want I know they do.
They want you to yell at them. That's like their
dream in the eyes.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, here's the thing. When you are at a live
show and somebody else decides this is I'm in this too.
The rest of the audience hates it, but they can't
do anything about it. So at least it'd stand up
long enough to know that if you just kind of
take it in hand and are mean, then everyone else
is like, great, we'll all do that then, right, and
we will all not do that right. But over the

(20:00):
years we learn it's like you have to do it
in a nicer way. Yeah, it was just like my
thing was. Podcast audiences were so weird compared to what
I was used to in stand up.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Because we didn't know we were doing it, like as
an audience member is totally new, kind of totally new
unless you were really knew. You know, you went to
fucking IRA glasses like beautiful, you know, an NPR thing
that was fancy, and so there probably were no Hecklers.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I would love it if there were Heckler's in an
NPR IRA glass. He's interviewing someone about something really sensitive.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Wait, wait, don't tell me, and someone just kept yelling
the answers.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, oh what, Paula pounds down? I saw you do
stand up.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Oh sorry, I'm used to my favorite murder live shows.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I didn't know what this was. I thought this was
like a stream of consciousness shouting match that we all
agreed to pay for. But no, I guess I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, I was the main character, but it turns out.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
No another thing to remember. Not just criticizing the audience
for being new, but this was the show where I
was the tour agent, so book I booked. I called
the Bellhouse, was like said, okay, we have a podcast,
can we come and do it there? They're like sure,
they're expecting eighty to one hundred people to come. Then

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when we announce it, they start getting calls and they
sell out in three minutes. And it was the beginning
of us starting to understand what was actually happening in
reality as opposed to what was happening in George's apartment.
And the people at the Bell House were like, what
did you do? What is this? Like? We are overrun
and we were just like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Yeah.

(21:35):
That was while.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I think after this, we finally let our tour agent
book shows from then on.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because it was a touring agent came to us and
was like, heard about the Bellhouse. Please, yeah, yeah, please,
I've actually got a plan. I was like, no, I'll
be the touring agent.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Karen's got it.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
She knows someone at the Bellhouse.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, Karen's going to.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Go back to all the places where she bombed doing
and up comedy and see if they remember her name,
and then that will be our tour.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
So that's great, and I didn't know any better, Like,
you know, what, have I booked a fucking show before?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Who knows? I mean, it was a fun idea where
were like, hey, we should do this live since since
it's going well, that was the energy behind it. All.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right, let's get into this story because this is a
big one and this is just crazy awful and there
are multiple updates which I want to hear about. So
let's listen to Karen's story about the Torso Killer.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Can I please talk about the Torso Killers? He's your
fucking killer and I want to tell you about him.
So there's a name a man named Richard Francis Cottingham,
and he did a little work in the eighties here
in the New York City metropolitan area that I don't
know if anybody knows about. I actually had never heard

(22:58):
of him, and someone else, like in passing a friend
of mine, was like, have you ever heard of the
Torso Killer? And I got all up in their face
like that's Cleveland. That's not going to help me, and
then they're like, no, no, no, New York City had
their own Torso Killer. I was like, well, God, bless America.
And this took place primarily in nineteen eighty, and so

(23:21):
I looked up on a website what was happening in
nineteen eighty that was different than twenty sixteen. And so
I'll just I'll just list a couple things, just to
paint the picture, just to set it up. The Georgia
was born in nineteen eighty. Oh girl, you look good.
Oh I'm not so so, thank you. That was a

(23:45):
straight compliment, thank you.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Let's see he is using Patsy as a music stand.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Patsy.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Patsy was used for years and years by John ram Oh.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yes, I don't know, that's right. I don't know. Anything
can happen at the Bellhouse. Could you imagine if John
John Ramsey walked on stage right, that's our surprise. Guest
is fucking John Ramsey. John Ramsey's here, just tell his
side of the story. Fucking flip the table, fucked dude,

(24:20):
the Torso Killer. In nineteen eighty in New York, but
also everywhere else, did you know there was no answering machines?
Like they had invented them and corporate corporations would use them,
and like rich people had them, but they weren't actually
mass marketed until nineteen eighty four. Isn't that precious? So cute?

(24:43):
So if you want to call somebody and they weren't home,
the phone would just ring and ring and ring. All right. Also,
there are payphones everywhere, and they weren't as dirty as
they are now here in New York. This subway was
in insanely scary. Oh yeah, they used tokens and everybody

(25:06):
had a knife. I believe Studio fifty four was peaking.
It was about to close, but it was like peeking,
just to the point where it was like all the
people who still thought cocaine was good for you were
having a great time. And then like New Year's Eve
and it was like January first eighty one, and they
were just like, everybody's gonna die. Yeah. You could smoke anywhere,

(25:31):
You could smoke inside of an operating room. It was
the best. There were a shit ton of mimes.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
All right, we're good. That mine was just so pissed off.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
That he fucking that mine threw down his drink and
fucking stormed out, but silently, he didn't yell. He was
just like drink.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
How dare you talk about the quantity of mimes?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Now there's just me. And of course there was graffiti everywhere,
and there's litter everywhere, and also there was a ton
of murder just to shit tes. Yes, congratulations. So there
was a man named Richard Francis Cottingham and he was
thirty one years old at this time. He was a
computer operator and a valued employee of the Blue Cross

(26:25):
Blue Shield in New York. Unplug, we're getting paid a
shit ton of money by Blue Cross and not talk
about that blue Shield. He was married with three children,
and he also raped, sodomized, killed, and mutilated six sex
workers in New York and New Jersey. Congratulations, what a

(26:47):
fun guy. Yeah, that was great, a facty good time.
So I read this article by a guy named Peter
Vronsky and it seemed like he was a writer. But
in when he tells it, I mean like I he is.
It's a great article. So obviously he's a talented writer.
But he was talking about at the time, he used
to run film from Montreal, get it developed in New

(27:10):
York City and then take it back. And you can't
just like send you they don't never ship like movie
film like that. You have to have a guy do
it so that nothing happens to the film. So he
would come down with the film and he would get
a stipend to get a hotel room for the night
and then go back. But of course he was like
a young punk, so he didn't want to spend his
money on a hotel room. So he would save the

(27:32):
money and like he would go to art openings and
neat cheese and drink wine and then get a hotel
room in a really really seedy hotel. And so this
one time he did it, the film took longer than
they expected, so he ended up getting kind of stuck
in Hell's Kitchen. And it was back then, yeah, right,

(27:54):
no thanks. There was a it was a hotel on
Tenth Avenue and uh in Hell's Kitchen, and he was
standing at the elevator one day and the it was
taking forever and he was getting kind of irritated. When
it finally opened, there was just like the super Bland
guy who came out of the elevator holding a bag,

(28:16):
and the what why then, because something's gonna happen, Okay,
I can tell something's gonna have got it?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
He comes out of the elevator and his bag touches
Peter Vronsky on the leg and then but then the
guy moves on. He said he looked a little bit sweaty,
like he'd just been doing something. But then but he
other than that, he was kind of vague, and then
he left. So Peter Vronsky goes up to the floor
where his hotel room is going to be to check
out just how horrible his stay is going to be,

(28:45):
because he knows it's going to be bad. And when
he gets up there, there are little pieces of like
burned material in the air, and he can smell smoke.
It smells like someone burnt hair or something. So right up,
so as he's walking down the hallway to get to
his room, the he now starts to see smoke in

(29:09):
the hallway and the smell is starting to get really bad,
and you start to realize it's the smell of death.
This is this is not just a normal fire. There's
a dead body somewhere. And then right then the fire
alarms go off. And what happened? I just looked.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
I just feel like I just got shells. I'm just
very invested.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He goes. He goes back downstairs, and a room was
on fire, and when the fireman went in, they found
two bodies, one on each of the single beds, and
when one of the firemen picked the body up and
pulled it out into the hallway to do CPR on it.

(29:50):
No head, no hand. What did you think was gonna happen?
Oh my god, Oh my god. Oh no wait? Sorry
did you say no head, no hands? Is that what
you said?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yes, no head, no hands, no dental records, no fucking fingerprints.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's right. So he A couple of years later, when
Richard Cottingham gets caught and his picture is on the news,
Peter Vronsky sees his picture and goes, that's the guy
that passed me when he came out of the elevator
and the bag with the bag with heads in it
and hands anyway, Mary Chris, Uh was it a nice bag?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Was it to me?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
What's the large brown bag? What's the large brown bag
from Bloomingdale?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, big brown bag. So the sports sack, it was
a good will guys, I'm about to talk about the
dead bodies. Okay, sorry, the those missing parts were never found,
but their clothes. There was two sex workers whose clothes

(31:04):
were found neatly folded and put into the bathtub, along
with their fancy boots and uh huh, And there was
very little blood on the beds, so they don't end
there was very little blood in the room, so they
don't understand. They don't understand the method at that point
of what happened where it happened, because it didn't seem

(31:26):
possible that he could have gotten all of that taken
care of in the room. Also, how did he kill
one person and then the other and the other person
doesn't make enough noise that somebody knows what's going on. Again,
they're in Hell's kitchen. So through through X rays they
identify Dida Gadzari, who is a twenty three year old

(31:47):
sex worker from New Jersey who was the mother of
a four month old baby. And the other victim was
in her late teens and she has never been identified
to this day. Oh my god, so so fuck with
that look. So six months later, six months later, at
the Seville Hotel on twenty ninth Street near Madison, he

(32:13):
kills a twenty five year old named Jean Rayner. And
it was the same exact thing where they go in,
they find the dead body, and this time it's gonna
be bad. He cut off her breasts and put them
on the headboard before he lit the room on fire.

(32:35):
So now we're going to cut to the has Broke
Heights quality in you guys have been there, the irony
of quality in anytime.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
The word quality is in the title. It's stark opposite good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, it's called bedbugs. Yeah. So the maid is vacuuming
as they are wont to do, and when she goes
to vacuum under the bed, it hits something, and when
she lifts up the mattress, it is the disfigured corpse
of nineteen year old Valerie Street. It was also a

(33:13):
sex worker. Yeah. So essentially the our boy, Richard Coddington. Uh,
what what he would do is pick up sex workers, Uh,
and he would oftentimes he would give him a date
rape drug and they would wake up in the hotel

(33:36):
with the tape on their mouth and he and handcuffed
with their hands behind their back, and then basically he
would torture them for hours at a time, and they
were at these horrible hotels where people would be screaming
and no one was doing anything. That's the that's the
craziest thing is that is well, I mean he until
he put the tape over their mouths but he must

(33:57):
have like the planning, the planning of it must have
been and that they drugged them long enough and then
covered it. But the mind's your business in those fucking hotels, right,
that's exactly right. You don't have a point fingers three
year pointing back at you.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Do You remember the movie Big when Tom Hanks becomes
Big and he goes and stays in the hotel for
the first time, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
This said he gets like super scared and said it
was like times square. Oh yes, I think it's totally
times square. You're twelve and crying and you're twelve, but
you're also a man. You're a man boy. Okay. So
uh so his next victim was a not a sex worker,
sorry to keep saying pro student this article. It was

(34:35):
a twenty six year old radiologist named Maryanne Carr, and
they think that he knew her in real life, in
his in his weird other life in New Jersey, and
she had basically died the same way and she was
found like up against a chain link fence, so it
was it was all kind of the same thing. But

(34:56):
it turns out she was she was just a nurse
and a regular a person and he didn't know.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
How would he have found her and known her if
he didn't already know her right right, yes, and shut up, he.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Wouldn't have is what I'm saying. So then basically the
way he gets caught sorry, I uh, I should have
left the four earlier and organized this part better. I
find the thing. Oh it's on this. The way he uh,
the way he gets caught is.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Wait for it, he takes it.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
He takes a girl back to the same quality in
in Habsburg Heights where the body was found under the bed,
and but this time he there were reports of a
woman screaming. Finally someone was paying attention together and uh
they when the cops come in, there's a man trying

(35:56):
to calmly walk out as if he doesn't. Yeah, look,
I'm just here at the quality and chilling, just on Vaca,
the quality in I just like to come over here
and just think, just get my thoughts together. At the QI,
they have free WiFi. Wifi's not a thing yet, what
are you talking about? It's not a thing. So basically

(36:17):
the cops get him, and then when they go into
the room, they find a girl handcuffed, hysterical and she's
been tortured for a long time, but they there's finally
a survivor that can tell everybody, this fucking motherfucker that
you think is some normal guy that works at Blue
Shield Blue Cross is actually this insane serial killer. So,

(36:38):
uh so when they search Cottingham's home, they find a
trophy room containing personal effects from several of the murdered
sex workers, and they there actually he had actually been
arrested twice in the early seventies that nobody knew about
that that was that would never come up. And so, yeah,
he had personal things that connect him. There was no

(37:00):
way it couldn't have been him, go back to the chase.
In May of nineteen eighty one, he was convicted on
fifteen felony counts related to the murder of Valerie Street
and he drew a sentence of one hundred and seventy
three to one hundred and ninety seven years in prison.
And then a year later he was convicted on a
second degree murder charges for Mariann Carr and that added

(37:22):
another twenty years to his life.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And uh, that is house sentencing is fucking none.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, sorry, I just reading the west a paragraph. Yep,
it sure is totally Oh, there was just this list
of This is what he was indicted on. This is
what the person read in court. Kidnapping, attempted murder, aggravated assault,

(37:50):
aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated sexual assault while armed,
aggravated sexual assault while armed. Oh, the first one was raped,
the second was masodomy, aggri did a sexual assault well armed.
That was fallatio, possession of a weapon, possession of controlled
dangerous substances seco barbital and ammo barbital or tuin all
and possession of controlled dangerous substance diazepam or valium. In

(38:14):
other words, he was the total package. Wow, that's Richard
Cottington Cottingham but Torso killer.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Okay, we're back, Karen, you're back. I'm gonna give us
some updates.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Such a horrible I mean, obviously, it's just redundant. This
is a true crime podcast. When you describe one story
as being horrible and violent, then you just have another
story that's horrible unless you're taking a left turn. I mean, our.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Podcast, how many times have we said this is one
of the worst, Like, how many of the worst?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Can there be a lot? Every time it's always like
these stories have extreme violence. It's like, yeah, it's a
true crime podcast, but this serial killer in particular, it
is so cold and calculated and repetitive and insanely violent.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
It's just like yeah, and the victims are so young
and just vulnerable, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
So Richard Cottingham, the Torso Killer, remains in prison and
he continues to confess to his crimes. So in twenty
twenty two, he confessed to an additional five murders. Those
victims were Diane Cusick twenty three, Mary Beth Hines twenty one,
Laverne Moy twenty three, Shila Hyman thirty three, Emerita Risotto

(39:37):
Nievez who was eighteen. And those are just more horrible murders.
So he's been found guilty of seventeen murders, but he
claims to have killed at least one hundred women. It's
just he's an animal. It's insanity.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's one of those ones where like some of them,
those killers were brag and like inflate their numbers. But
if he's continuing to confess and has like five that
he can be confirmed too, it kind of seems believable.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, you know, I mean, there's no reason not to
believe totally. It's not the Audust tool situation where I'm
doing it to get out of jail. Totally okay. Now
we're going to get into Georgia's story about imet Saint Gian. Jamie,
do you want to go? I would feel weird going last?

(40:25):
Do you want to go last? Sure? Okay? Is that okay?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Because I don't want to like, I don't want to
wrap it up like because and then Georgia goes, so
let's have Jamie go last.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Okay? Is that cool? Do it? Yeah? Totally okay? All right?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
And so okay, I really, I really this murders really
fucked up. But I got really scared that someone in
here knows the victim. So I apologize it. I just
apologize constantly. It's basically what I do.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay. So in net Saint Gian, anyone, anyone, anyone?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
No, okay, good, They're gonna say, I mean yeah, oh yeah,
that's my n okay. And Mette was born in Boston
and in two thousand and three she enrolled in the
John Jay Criminal College of Criminal Justice, which is a
sunny sunny college in Manhattan. They couldn't come up with
anything more than John Jay Criminal Justice College. But I

(41:22):
don't know who he is, John.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Jay Criminal Justice College. She names that nobody's name, let's
name the college.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
So she was going to pursue Basically, she's one of us.
She was going to pursue a master's degree in criminal justice.
So like, immediately, we won't have a drink with her
and fucking hang out with her.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
She was one of the top five percent of her class,
and she was supposed to graduate in May two thousand
and six. And so in February thousand and six, she
goes to celebrate her birthday with her friend Claire.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
They go out, they're at a nightclub.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Tell it's always a friend, Claire, Yeah, Claire. I'm not
saying her last.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'm on purpose because I feel fucking bad for this girl.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I really mean, I'm tried.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So three point thirty, which, by the way, this fucking
four am shit, like you can stay out till four
am and you fuck no, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
That is a terrible idea. It is kind of around
the witching hour. It's sad to be careful.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like stay as far away from dawn as possible, you
know what I mean? Part until eleven forty five the
greats grades, But you know, she's a baby.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So they go to a night.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Club to celebrate her birthday and then the Claire's like,
let's get the fuck out of here. I called a
cab and then Emmett's like I'm staying out.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
And they're like I'm gonna burp holed on.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Then em that no, no, those are loyal fans.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
They're like, let it out, Georgia, do you terrible? I
don't want this to be me. It also sounded like
a car, kind of like a car if somebody wrote
out a cartoon berp where it's like.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah, like Tim the Toolman Taylor, that's me.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
So like fucking Claire's like, get in the fucking cab
and that's like nope, bitch, I'm staying out, and like
we've all done it.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
We've all done always listen to Claire.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
And at three point fifty Claire calls her and is
like are you okay? And and uh and that's like
I am going to this bar called the Falls at
It's at four am.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
You do know this? What I heard? That was a
good stage bar. Okay. So the next evening they're.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Like where the fuck is a met Like she's fucking
missing a shit and.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So someone, an anonymous.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Caller, calls the Brooklyn police and is like, I saw
a fucking dead woman's body. Yeah, does anyone know where
Fountain Street and Spring Creek Park is Nope?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
No, that's that was a vague whoop. Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
And it turns out that it's fucking and met Saint
Keon Gian.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Okay, you guys, this sucks. Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
She's nude and wrapped in a comforter. Her fucking fingernails
are broken, showing that she fought as buck which like
get a girl hands and feet tied? Oh, sock in
her fucking mouth? Like hair had been cut off. Yeah, yes,
beaten sexually assaults.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
That was vdelsasan How dare She's like, what kind of
cut the rachel in that whole list? She's upset about
the hair. Can I go on about how she was
you murdered? I know, I know, I know this is
the whole problem.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
And she died of exphyxiation and I don't even want
to tell you about the fact that she had It
was because she had packing tape wrapped her on her
poor sweet face, uh, according to the forensic psychologist. The
forensic psychologist said that the killer tried to humanize her completely.
When you hide someone's face, it means that you don't
want to see them as a human being. You want
to pretend there's just an object. And hair cutting, too,

(45:03):
I think is part of the right where it's like
it's it's something aggressively male to cut a woman's hair,
which sounds so stupid, but like I think, when you're
a fucking murderer, it's true, yes, no, yeah, thoughts, feelings.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Well, it's also a weird thing is It's like he's like,
I want to murder humans, but I don't want to
murder a human.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It's like, what, yeah, shifting weird. I want to murder humans,
but I also like to cut hair. Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
So the last time that Ammette had been seen, she
was with one of the bouncers at this bar called
The Falls, and this this bartender had been asked to
escort her out of this bar before closing, and then
another bar, another bouncer saw her talking to her in
front of the bar. So the dude, the fucking the

(45:52):
bouncer was an ex con had spent more than twelve
years in prison for drug possession and robbery, and he
was on parole, which means he shouldn't have gotten a
fucking jobbing, but they didn't do any background checks on him.
He wasn't a licensed security guard. He staying out past
curfew was a parole violation, like he shouldn't have fucking
been hired. Okay, but the dude who owned the fucking bar,

(46:14):
whose name was Dorian, he he didn't want. He said
that he had never he didn't see her, he didn't
know who she was, and later admitted that he knew
who she was, and he said he didn't want to
get involved because years earlier, his father's bar had suffered
poor publicity and lawsuits after a patron was murdered a

(46:36):
different bar.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Guess what fucking bar is. Guess what fucking murder is?
The guess murders the fucking preppy murder. What the fuck
are the chances? Sorry, guy that owns the falls.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Red hand right, red hand.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Right hand right, which we've come to sealing all kinds
of stuff. If you've listened to this for a little bit, up, bar,
how do you really I have?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
I was I was very sad there, Prebb. You guys
don't hit on me anyways, It's my own struggle.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Let's go back to the girl who dies be glad
about not getting hit on at that fucking bar. Okay,
So the owner is the fucking same dude.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, crazy right, So the.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Dude the fucking uh the bouncer whose name now, okay,
I'm gonna say his name is Daryl little John. His
basement apartment is searched in Queen's and carpet fibers are
found that match her on the adhesive tape. Blood and
skin matching Little John's DNA are found on the plastic ties,

(47:46):
and also from a snowbrush found next to the body.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So, like, I don't know how he bled.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I heard something about like a nose bleed, but I'm like,
why would you get a fucking nose bleed?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Like, I don't understand how that happened. Yeah, you're like
a murderer, but you're also like kind of a geek.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You're like, yeah, cod, she scratched the shit out of
your face.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Oh, coked, actually makes sense, makes sense if you're a bouncer.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I'm so sorry bouncers, but especially like in two thousand
and six, you're a fucking coked careful careful, hey, Okay,
So whoo, a bunch of old ships down on the DNA.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
It fucking matches as fuck. And then.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Additional evidence and they were like ping the fucking towers,
which is like the new DNA.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I feel like, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
And then traces of GHB were found in her system,
which is not a punk band, it's a date ripe drug.
So the fucking bar owner says like, I don't know,
I didn't see her. And then then he later says
he didn't want to get involved, and but a bunch
of people were like, he has ties, his family has

(48:55):
ties to Rudy Giuliani.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
So a lot of people are like, this is actually the.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Case, but he's got it covered up, and he was
being framed, and the other dude was being framed to
protect Rudy Giliani's family, who was like running for shit
at the time. Okay, so don't say what. It makes
me feel like I'm fucking up. Don't say what.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Okay, so we can't hear every word, We're really okay,
all right?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
They had gone poor publicity after the fucking Dorian's red
hand and then okay, so he mm mmmm okay, So
finally Dorian admits what he saw that night.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
And here ready for a fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, He says, there was a young lady sitting at
the bar who didn't want to leave. I told her
it was time to leave, and she said, I'll leave
when I'm finished with my drink, says fucking and that,
which is like yes, girl, And then he says, either
finish your or I'm going to pour it out, and
so she finishes it. Then he says, she was just

(49:55):
getting up to leave, and I told little John, Daryl,
little John to escort her out, which is like, call
a fucking cab. You've never done any fucking background check
on this, dude, Like you don't know who this person is,
and you're sending her out in the fucking world as
a drunk person.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well it's the bouncer though, so then they're just like
send them out with a bouncer. Yeah, I mean I
would trust a bouncer.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I would ask a bouncer.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, that's what sucks about it. They're not they're not drinking.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
They're fucking big at the night shoulders.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Very cool, I trust worthy shoulders. Low key individuals that
sit on stools. Yeah, just like they don't want to
be there. There there like a bunch of do you heads?
They like, yeah, yes, I get it.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
So the other bouncer named Tim, said that Amett was
slurring her words and that she had been slumped over
at the bar. But then he was just like a
bye and like walked in the ind of the direction,
like he just left them. And then then Dorian said
that he saw them, He saw a Mets and Little
John fighting outside. Okay, so he gets arrested, he gets

(51:01):
fucking charged with all the shit, and then his defense
attorney says that Dorian, the fucking bar owner, might have
been the real killer, and that maybe Little John was
fucking bringing women back to the club to like as
a thing.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
But it's like clearly not oh said they like flow
to conspiracy. Okay, yeah, because that doesn't seem unlikely that
the other the things I've heard about Dorian's redhand.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, but he also said he he told police that
he had been banged up after a quarrel with his
girlfriend a couple of days after her body was found.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's like, why are you beat up? Right, that's the
first thing you've looked for.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, Okay, so they never investigated him. Okay, So the
bar closes liquor license, and little John is sentenced to
twenty five years to life in prison. Okay, so okay,
So the judge says, not one of these people spared

(51:57):
a thought to the wisdom of sending an intoxic hit
a young woman out into the deserted streets of Manhattan
at four am. If only one of them had the
common decency to call a cab taxi, we might not
have We might not be there here in this courtroom,
which is like, so fucking true, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You're responsible at that point. It is true, it's super true,
very very true.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
True if you're gonna own a bar and not take
responsibility for a fucking a lone woman slumped at a
bar and just send her out.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Well, And the other thing is that it's that thing
of like being overserved or did you drink too much?
Like if you go to a bar, you have to
be careful, and I think, I mean, it's just that
thing of like you can't just trust the bouncer. You
can't just trust that other people will take care of you.
It'd be nice, yeah, but it might not happen. And
whether or not the bouncer.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Just walks her out and lets her leave, like he
might not be a murderer, but he also the bar owner,
the bartender should be aware of that he's being at
least somewhat taken care of. And yeah, she could be
fucking drugged and we don't know that. Like it's so
easy these days. Watch your drinks, you guys, you know
will tell.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Also, the funny thing is like and these days, then
you're super drunk and they watch you get into an uber,
which is a car that a stranger is driving. Like,
who knows who that fucking guy is.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
It's just organized hitchhiking.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh oh that was great. It's true. Where is this
female only uber? We've been promised?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I keep hearing about it and I fucking want it?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Did you make that up? No, it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
There's like a new it's supposed to be like women
driving women only and like or like if you're a woman,
then you're with a dude. It's okay, but you have
to be a woman like and it's women drivers cannight.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Huh Okay, I'm not on I need to get on
that email so.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
You don't need to because it's not I've heard about
it for two years and it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Oh okay, it should be all right, So let that
dream go. Let it gonna you're gonna get, We're gonna get. Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Uh So, then while he's being fucking arrested and tried,
another woman comes forward because she sees his fucking face
on TV and is like, that's the dude who fucking
dressed like a police officer handcuffed me and fucking sexually
assaulted me.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
They linked the DNA. It was him.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
He was a fucking repeat sex assault.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Another fucking woman's like, that dude fucking did that to me.
And then and she said that this other woman said
that he wrapped her face up almost exactly like he
did to this poor fucking baby girl in met Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So the good news have all is that two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Seven New York enacted a lot requiring security cameras at
the entrances and exits of all the two hundred as
if it is nightclubs that held a cabaret license, which
is so charming.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Just like jazz hands, if you're doing jazz hands, you
got to get that cu the stool as a prop.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It almost makes you think like that they have clean bathrooms,
and you fucking know they don't you know, like you
can't call it a cabaret, and it's.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Like graffiti bathrooms with no fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
My parents, my parents owned a rock club, and they
had something in Dallas, Texas where I grew up, and uh,
they had a thing called a dance hole license and
I always thought it was so funny to call it
a dance hall because it's like you a fucking goar,
you know, like literally like spraying like fake semen and
blood on the audience.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And it's like, we've got a dance hall. And then
sorry to say a semen hang.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Out, No, we have to say it once every episode
or they just they it doesn't happen. So they have
to they have to have fucking videos, and the club
owners agreed to voluntary guidelines, so they scan all of
the identifications, like they know who comes in and out,
and they have to screen them for fucking weapons, which

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has never happened to me in my life.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Has an I mean I get padded down all the time, yeah,
I really do.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
And they also have to provide more care in dealing
with intoxicated female patrons who are alone, which is great.
So and then Boston do the same thing and then
also John Jay College of Criminal Justice. They they started
an Emet Saint Guyana Scholarship for second year students at
the at the college. And yeah, and then they've also

(56:33):
created a Spirit of a Met Foundation intended to support
education for underprivileged children. And then that motherfucker, Darrel Little
John is in jail foreverthing prison forever.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Think they can. God, that was nice. That was a
good ending. Thank you, That was a real upending.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Just a shitty little John, not the fun one that says, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Little John, he does, is that right? Yeah, it's not that.
It's not that one. Okay, we're back, Jojia. Are there
updates to this case?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
This case just really hits you because we've all been
in situations like that. I think every woman who was
in the Bellhouse that night has experienced a similar situation
where sure, you know, I'm really glad they changed a
lot to be like you need to look out for
drunk women and like, can't just kick them out of
your bar, right, That's just not how you do it.
So there are no case updates, however, just a little

(57:31):
note that rapper Little John has continued to thrive since
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
That's right, don't worry about little John.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
He's fine, right, And then this is a three story episode.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
How exciting is that? And also how ill planned? What
were we doing? Why would we Yeah, everybody bring a
story and we'll have a three hour show.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
And then Jamie totally divide us by just saying I'm
not doing a New York Murder.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Goodbye. She's like, I'm doing my favorite the end. Yeah, okay,
So now it's time for our guest, Jamie Lee story
about d D. Blanchard.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Okay, guys, all right, man, here we go.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I know, chack here guys.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
I really appreciate the sport. It's a lot of presh.
You know, it's a lot of press. Got these two experts.
I sarcastic.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It was one hundred percent not.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
I.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
You both told me that I should do.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
You're like, oh, we're doing a show in New York,
so maybe do a New York Murder.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And I didn't. I just straight up was like, no,
I do what I want, Jamie Lee.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Because I thought about the title of the podcast is
my favorite murder, And I was like, oh, I'm gonna
be honest, I want to do what is legitimately right now,
my very favorite murder. So, without further ado, this is
the murder of d D.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Blanchard. Yeah yeah, okay, so good. Oh man, it gets
so good. Okay.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
So on June fourteenth, twenty fifteen, in Springfield, Missouri, forty
eight year old D D was found dead in her home,
covered in stab wounds.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Why how?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Who would do such a thing? I will let you
know very shortly. Okay, So here's the deal, DeeDee Blanchard.
She was described as a quote unquote large, affable looking person,
which she reinforced by dressing in bright, cheerful colors.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
She had. This is a real fun detail. She had
to think. Sorry, but you just think about I think
my greatest fear is to find out how people describe me.
I never ever want to know. I don't care, but
God forbid, God for fucking bid large affable, bright cheery colors.
I mean I would never heard of that about myself.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
I'd be like, oh, please just murder me because I
don't want to know that detail.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I want someone wants to tell me in junior.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I like what some who's like they said I had
mousey brown hair and it changed my fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Hair right, hence the fucking bob you can't have mouse air.
I don't understand the scriptor what does that even mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Well, the bitch who told me that, someone said that
clearly was a fucking count.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Is what that means. That's what it means. That's what
it means. Here's another horrifying detail. She had curly brown hair.
She liked to hold back with ribbons. The renfair just
that every day woven throughout her braid, crown eating a

(01:00:39):
turkey leg. Okay, she she could so DEDI could make
friends quickly and inspired deep devotion in people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
She did not have a job, but.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Instead served as a full time caretaker for her daughter,
Gypsy Rose, who was her disabled teenage So she didn't
have a job. She was just a caretaker for Gypsy
roads busy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That's what she said me. I would just like to
say that when I was little, my grandmother, who apparently
was a flapper, used to if we I was kind
of a nudist when I was young, So I'd like
get out of the bathtub and I would just run
around the house. I thought it was really funny, and
it like everyone would yell and chase man. It is
a good way to get attention. And my grandmother. Anytime
I did something, I that my grammar go look at you.

(01:01:25):
It's Gypsy Rose Lee because she was a famous stripper.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Yes, she was a nineteen twenties vaudeville star turned stripper,
and she was also the inspiration for the Broadway show Gypsy. Oh.
Fun fact, Deedie didn't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
She just liked the name Gypsy Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Wow, she's even lying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
She's like, oh, my stripper daughter. No, she didn't even know.
She didn't even know. She just was like those words
go together. Well, so that's like naming your daughter her
like Tawny on the pole.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I mean like that's a that's apernake on the pole,
is a really beautiful on the pole on the pole?

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Okay, So that's Dede Blanchard, our murder victim, her daughter,
Gypsy Rose. Let me tell you a little bit about her.
She was small, frail, and pale for a nineteen year old.
She wore big glasses, was confined, confined to a wheelchair,
had a feeding tube, no hair, was missing, several teeth,

(01:02:33):
and spoke with a childlike voice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Okay, I know, hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
So if you asked Dedie what was wrong with her daughter,
she would list off lots of ailments. Uh, chromosomal chromosomal
that is a word, chromosomal defects, muscular muscular. I don't
know what that means, but okay, chromosomal defects, muscular dystrophy, epilepsy,

(01:02:59):
I pro. And also Gypsy had leukemia as a toddler.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Sod Dede said that Gypsy had quote unquote the mind
of a seven year old and that's why she was
homeschooled for her whole life, because she would not thrive
in a normal public school setting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I mean that's all of us. Am I wrong? I know,
I'm like, who's well adjusted public school?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
No one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
So they were in Springfield, Missouri, and like everyone else
around them in the neighborhood, Dede and Gypsy's house had
been built by Habitat for Humanity. It had amenities for
Gypsy such as a ramp up to the door, a
jacuzzie tub to help with Gypsy's muscles. And this is
a weird detail. Since Gypsy was too sick to ever

(01:03:47):
go out, d d would project movies on the side
of the house for other people in the neighborhood to
come and see, and then she would charge a small
fee because she was like, it's cheaper than a multiplex
and then knows that the proceeds would go to Gypsy's treatments.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
She charged a small fee for the movie, but the
popcorn was still fourteen dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
She's like, it's still five dollars, Desanni, I hope that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
It's very worth it. It's very delicious. I heard that,
Jacuzzi because that sounds fucking nice.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Yeah, so okay, so DEEDI had told one of the neighbors,
a woman named Amy, I Do'm sorry, guys, I'm like,
I can't speak okay, a woman named Amy Pinnager that
she and Gypsy moved from Louisiana to Springfield, Missouri because
back in Louisiana, Gypsy's grandfather would put cigarettes out on her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
And that Gypsy's dad.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Was no longer in the picture because he was an
alcoholic disaster. So all of the neighbors felt terrible for them,
totally sympathized, empathized, loved them, and thought they were like
the sweetest people they had ever met, and wanted to
do anything they could to help the family, which is
why on June fourteenth, twenty fifteen, it was such a

(01:05:06):
shock when a post went up under d d and
Gypsy's shared Facebook account.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
What we know? What do we do? We're sharing? No Facebook?
Fuck no disgusted, get your own red flags, get you
godd problems. Ye serious ones.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Okay, So a post went up on the Facebook that
was very alarming. It said, the bitch is dead in
all caps. Okay. Okay. So then friends, okay, friends began
to comment. Obviously, they were like, we've never heard you
talk like that, Gypsy. I guess they just assumed as Gypsy.
They're like, we've never heard you talk like that. Oh

(01:05:47):
my god, you must have been hacked. Maybe we should
call the police. As comments flooded the page, another post
went up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Okay it said, and I quote.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I fucking slashed that fat pig and aped her sweet
innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Lol.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Anyways, so the police got a search warrant and they
went in the house and they found Dede Blanchard face
down on her bed, covered in stab wounds, and concluded
that she had been dead for several days.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
And Gypsy was missing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Okay, and all of the neighbors thought Gypsy was likely
dead too, because without the care of her mother. How
could she even function like She's so dependent on her
mother's care, there's no way that she could.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Survive on her own.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Okay, but then remember our friend Amy Penneger, the neighbor, well,
her daughter Aliah had some info. She was like a
big sister to Gypsy, but unfortunately they were rarely alone
together as Gypsy's mother was always by her side and
very overprotective. So when Gypsy wanted to have real talk

(01:06:53):
and confide in Aliyah, it was through a secret Facebook
account under the name Emma Rose told the cops that
Gypsy had met a guy named Nicholas go to John
on a Christian single site.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Quality men, I'm kidding you probably are. There's so many
things I want to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
This case is so loaded, it's it's insanely problematic episode
just every direction, Yeah, problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
So she met Nicholas go to John on a Crystal
Crystal sorry, guys, on, I had it like half a
red Bull vodka and I'm like whoa Okay on a
Christian single site. She had been communicating with him for
two years and was totally in love with him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
So the police put a trace on those Facebook posts
and the IP address linked to Nicholas go to John's
house in Wisconsin. The police went there and it was
a quick surrender. Nicholas came out of the house and
Gypsy walked out after him, not wheeled out, but walked out.
It's America, what fun Christmas miracles.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It's a Christian dating sat miracle. Plenty of fish.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Those fish don't have feet because evolution ain't real real, Okay,
all right? So it turned out, guys, that in fact,
Gypsy hadn't used a wheelchair from the moment she left
her house a few days earlier. She didn't need a
fucking wheelchair. She could walk just fine. There was nothing

(01:08:32):
wrong with her muscles, and she had no medication or
oxygen tank.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
She's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Her head had simply been shaved all of her life
to make her appear ill. It was all a fraud,
she told the police, all of it, every last bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Her mother had made her do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
DeeDee Blanchard had Munchausen by Proxy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Oh yeah, one's favorite, a classic classic disas how Munchausen
I wrote here? I wrote here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Munchausen by Proxy is the cheaper clothing line by designer proxy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Proxy is at Barney's. Munchausen is at Coal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
She's cracking up at her own hilarious shoke.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
He do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
This is why, This is why she was like coming
on Jamie Lea.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I was like, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
She put on this shirt and you're like, I don't know,
I feel kind of sick. This shirt is poisoning you.
I don't want to hurt my baby. Shirt is making
me feel crazy. Does everyone know what Munchausen by proxy?

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Okay, don't anyone who is listening, just a quick sentence.
MVP is a mental health problem in which a caregiver
makes up or causes illness in a person under his
or her care, and it is a form of child
of blue, child God, I'm so sorry, child abuse, or
elder abuse. Okay, So the couple posted to Facebook because

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Gypsy felt guilty and she wanted the police to find
her mother's body sooner. Gypsy was in the closet while
Nicholas was stabbing her, and Gypsy also reportedly tried to
clean up some of the blood with baby wipes after
the killing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
So cleanuping, the cleanuping of the blood is what I
was gonna say. Yes, it's such a weird like you're
gonna kill someone, why would you like?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Cleaning it up? Is such a personal thing, right, but
that means you're you're caretaking, yes, And also with baby
wipes that's just oh yeah, so inefficient. And also it's stupid.
I mean, it's a stupid it's stupid, stupid it is.
I mean, come on, we all know Bronni is the
quicker peer. That was a please. She'll be at the
stress factory in October.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
I don't know what that makes, okay right, So uh okay,
So sentencing, Uh Nick go to John is still awaiting
a try. But Gypsy pled guilty to second degree murder
as Nick is the one who did the stabbing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Did he admit to that? Did we know? He's? Yeah,
he did, No, he did, he admitted to it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Yeah, and she is eligible for parole in seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
And here she rolls out then stands up. Oh my god,
my god, oh my god. She's like Jeane Wilder and
Willie Wonka. She just like does a flip. But she's
like fucking with you, saying I have a chocolate fan.

(01:11:40):
So uh okay.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
So just to clue you guys in, uh, Gypsy had
been texting with Nicholas for years. They had been communicating
through this like secret account. And the crazy thing is
Nick had no history of violence. The only thing he
did have on his record was he was caught masturbating
in McDonald's and tooth and thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
We all do it. Those fries make me warning too,
has ever been caught? It's you know when in the
middle room comes back? Oh wait, go ah, hey, go ahead,
it's a reason to celebrate the micr. Actually, I just
want to say I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Don't know if he was masturbed, but he was definitely
watching porn in McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Sorry, what's very different. It's almost worse.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Yeah, you're just like, this is my chosen entertainment. It's
like finish the job Nick. Anyways, So how did Dee
Dee scam everybody for so long? It's pretty interesting. People
are stupid, Yeah, I mean seriously. Dede did work for
a little bit as a nurse's aid, so she had
a knack for remembering medical terminology and spitting it back.

(01:12:46):
Not only does she fool doctors, though, she also fooled charities.
They got free flights from a volunteer. Volunteer, fuck violent,
what are happening to my mouth?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And my brain normally volunteers we.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Go Pilots organization. They also stayed at a lodge for
cancer patients and I don't know what that is, Ronald McDonald,
I don't know. It's like a lodge. And then also
got free trips to Disney World. Here's where it gets
fucking real, dark, guys. The abuse that Gypsy incurred over

(01:13:20):
her life. Here are some of the things her mother
made her do. Her mother had her salivary glands injected
with botox, then removed them because her mother complained that
she drooled too much. She also had her eyes operated
on because of quote unquote weakness. She had a feeding
tube implanted. And the reason that she was missing teeth
is because her mother made her take seizure medication and

(01:13:41):
it made her teeth fall that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
She didn't need.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
She didn't need, she didn't need anything. She's perfectly healthy.
So there were two instances, well there was probably more
than two instances, but there were two that I researched
of doctors being like, what's going on here, But then
nothing came to fruition, which was very sad. In two
thousand and seven, a pediatric neurologist named doctor Flasterstein asked
Gypsy to stand up, and she did with no problem,

(01:14:06):
and then he told de D like, oh, she should
be walking. But then he didn't report it as abuse,
but he was suspicious. And now he's apparently like very
mad at himself or never reporting it because he was
kind of a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
To you Flaster scene. He says every night, Yeah, he
can't look I'm selfing them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
He was flaster scene, flustered flaster Okay, stop talking, Jamie,
but keep talking, sorry, Jamie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Uh. In two thousand and nine, someone made an anonymous
call to the Springfield Police Department to do a quote
unquote wellness check on Gypsy, where the police said, oh,
so the police went to the house and they spoke
to Dede and they're like, why are there so many
different names and addresses for you and Gypsy? Because they
Dede would frequently change her first name her last name.

(01:14:50):
I think it was like I read something where it
was like somebody should be like Claudine, and then she'd
be like d and then she was Ddee. Like she's
always kind of making these small tweaks to her first
and last name.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I feel like that call was coming from inside the house.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Yeah, and DEDI said that the reason she did that
was because she was trying to avoid an abusive ex husband.
More on that. In just a minute, Dede changed her.
Oh I already said that. Okay, cool, So this is
what else is? This is fucking crazy. So when Gypsy
went to prison, she told the police she was only nineteen,

(01:15:23):
but she was actually twenty three. Yeah, okay, so she
didn't know her own age because of her mother's disgusting brainwashing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Also, Gypsy's father, his name's Rod, that was not a psycho,
alcoholic deadbeat. He always sent twelve hundred dollars a month
in child support for Gypsy and visited on occasion. He
had his own family and he still was like in
touch with them and trying to help them. I didn't
write this down, so I just want to say for

(01:15:50):
corrections corner, there might be some corrections.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
But so Rod impregnated d D when he was only
leave seventeen years old and she was like twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
And so he just he was just like I like
don't love you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
I'm sorry, and I'm sorry I got you pregnant, and
like it was just kind of this mistake. And then
they ended up breaking up and then she ended up
having the baby, and like he moved on and had
his own family, but he still was like paying for her,
Like he wasn't not assuming responsibility. I don't fully know
the ins and outs of Rod and the relationship with
the family, but I do know that financially he was
paying what he needed to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Cool, So this is where it gets. This is actually
how it kind of becomes. Uh, there's a sort of
a nice ending to this story. Yeah, I mean, relatively speaking,
don't cram your pants, hold on, so gipsy. I know
I've never said that out loud, and I just did.

(01:16:49):
Now it's first time for everything. So Gypsy in prison
is actually uh she claims that she is feeling freer
than she ever did under her mother care.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
And you're not sucking a yeah, yeah, your mom's not
standing behind you all the time. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
So Michelle Dean is a journalist and she wrote this
really amazing article about this story for BuzzFeed, and she
went to visit Gypsy in prison and said that she
speaks beautifully, she is very eloquent. She is not quote
unquote slow in the least. And this was a quote
from uh, well, I guess Gypsy told this to Michelle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Michelle said she.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Wants people to know that this wasn't a situation where
a girl killed her mom to be with her boyfriend.
This was a situation of a girl trying to escape
abuse in prison. She's hoping to join all sorts of
programs and to help people. She wants to write a
book to help others in her situation. And this orange
is yeah. And then this is the last quote from Gypsy.

(01:17:51):
I think she uh referring to d D her mom.
I think she would have been the perfect mom for
someone that was actually sick. But I'm not sick. There's
that big difference. Yeah. Can I just tell you one
last thing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Please do? So I just started looking.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
I try, I try to find like YouTube clips of
different neighbors and stuff, being like outraged. And one woman
had like one of those like Nancy Grace level like
thick accents. So she's like, oh my god, yeah, she
literally because all the neighbors were so blindsided, they were like, WHOA,
what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
She's not sick. I thought this girl was sick.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
And then one of the girls goes her name is
not Blanchchard, it's bland shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
She added the e she just wants her movie night
money back. I feel yeah, that's right. That's a woman
who paid too much for the Neighborhood movie. That's hilarious.
That was great, Jamie By. She nailed that shit one
more time for Jamie Lee. Everybody. I love you, I

(01:18:57):
love you. You guys, you know we're gonna say, now,
stay sexy, don't get murder, say.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Okay, we're back. And of course you know this story
well at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
We all do. Yeah, So here we'll give updates together.
Gypsy Rose served eight years in prison. She was released
in December of twenty twenty three, and then she went
on a media tour sharing her experience with the world.
There's been backlash for her social media presence. It's a
whole conversation that, of course, everybody on every side of
the true crime audience has an opinion about. Gypsy ended

(01:19:42):
up deleting her social media accounts at the recommendation of
her parole officer, which I think is good for everyone.
If you could please listen to your parole officer and
just get off the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
You're learning to anyone. Don't let it be the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Let it be your unless your influence her. Oh god,
could you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
No, my god, I think we're all rooting for her
to live a nice, happy life, right, that's kind of
the consensus, and she is living a much quieter life.
And on December twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, which is
the anniversary of her prison release, Gypsy welcomed her daughter, Aurora,
her first child with her boyfriend Ken Urker. So congratulations
to her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Nice. Also, the writer who wrote the BuzzFeed article about
Gypsy Rose is a woman named Michelle Dean, and since
that reporting, she became the co creator, producer, and the
writer of the first season of hulu's The Act, which
is the Patricia Arquette as Dede Blanchard Joey King as
Gypsy limited series. So that's very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
So awesome, and we love to hear that that show
is so good. Patricia Arquette, are you fucking kidding me?
Like the greatest legend? Congratulations or great job, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah, great job, you killed it. And then let's see
this episode. Oh so now we can talk about what
we would name it, if we could even think of
about are named than live at the Bellhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I don't know. I mean, it just says everything you
need to know. But if we were naming it today
based on something from the episode, perhaps we'd call it.
I think this is something that you have always loved. Wireless,
Janet Jackson, Mike's obsessed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
It's sure dream my favorite thing. You know a lot
of people have vision boards and they have like houses
and you know, France, not me. I just have Janet
Jackson from the Control Tour that's Someday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
It just all nineties electronics and like there's a fucking
there's a discman, and there's a fucking headphone and what else?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Is there a mood ring for something? Yep, there's a
really short black jean jacket. We're doing this. Oh also,
I say at the end, which is so perfect, it's
like talking about that, the dawning awareness of what we're
doing and now we're doing it is I actually say
at the end of the show, this show is so problematic,
which is really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
You know. I think it's because we were slowly doing
it in front of people and realizing that the reactions
were so different than not having any in your first
Stephen in the apartment, you know, yes, like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
That there is yeah, there's actually like this sounds like
something you know, I talk about with my sister all
the time. It's like the way we grew up, especially
me the youngest in a seventies family where latchy kids
and no one was paying attention. I just never thought
I was being heard. Ever, I never thought I was
being listened to. What I said didn't matter. What I
did didn't matter. You want you can say, and who's

(01:22:30):
who's going to pay attention? And then you get into
who's paying attention they're like right whatever, where you're like, oh,
that's not what we're trying to do. And that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, just started to stand up comedy so fucking you
could be under a spotlight and people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Would listen to you. Finally, finally it worked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
You did it and we did it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yay, thank you, we did it. You did it too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Thank you guys for listening to this episode of rewind.
We appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yes we do. And stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye,
goodbye Elvis. Do you want a cookie

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