515 - 10 Year Anniversary Special! - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hell, hello and welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm my favorite murder year ten. This is the ten
year breaking anniversary.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
We have done this podcast. We have said these words
to you listener. Yeah, for ten years. That's crazy for
a podcast. Yeah, it's unnatural, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
It goes against God's will, God's.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Will of podcasting. Yeah, that's Georgia Hartstar.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's Karen kil Garriff. Did you ever think that this
would become what it's become.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
No, it's wild. Yeah, it's a decade of podcasting totally.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I mean, we just kept saying yes to things and
they kept happening. Yeah, and that's like what has brought
us here today, from my apartment to the pod loft.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
To Carnegie Hall. Wait, we've never played cardon No Ryman Hall. Yeah,
Sydney Opera House, that's right, that fancy place in London.
Oh yeah, very fancy, very historical. Yeah, we've done a
lot of amazing things by basically chatting about our hobby.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, it's been incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's just it's silly because I can't even put under
words the way my life has changed since we started.
In ten years. I feel so monumental and so huge
and so important. And that's why I can't even begin
to like fathom.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
So the actual date was the thirteenth of January or
the sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Sixteenth of January sixteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
It was the sixteenth, Yeah, I think it was the thirteenth. Okay,
so the actual date was the thirteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do you know my mom died on the ninth.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Holy shit, and started podcasting days after your mom died.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, with Alzheimer's, it starts a long time before. But
I only mentioned that not to be you know, no, like, yeah,
we're But my sister brought that up this morning because
she's like, that's not a coincidence. I'm like, it's not
a coincidence. Really, I don't think so. I mean to
be woo woo, just to kick it off from the
woo woot way. If anyone's watching over me and helping

(02:24):
me make my dreams come true, it's my mom my.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
God, you know pat up there giving you the.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Just being bossy and pushing her way to the front
and just being like, sorry, I realize other people have
been here a while, but we need to get some
stuff taken care of because her house is going into foreclosure.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I made it.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, all the things, all the things we've done and
wanted to do, And then I mean, yeah, I feel
very very lucky and grateful to Pat.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, to Pat, to Janet, to everybody who got it.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Here, I'm a present for you for me.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I have one for you too.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
See.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I got you one because I thought you would, because you.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Always do it, don't shit, Oh my god, I didn't
have to do it.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I wait a second. I got you this beautiful ceramic
coffee thing.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean, it's silly, it's not like a special thing.
It's just like funny and it made me laugh and
that cregered. I might as well give it to you now. Great,
because i'll forget by your birthday. Okay, so happy ten
year anniversary.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Oh my god, I just pull it right out. Yeah,
let's find out about magnet. It's a vintage.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Book that just says magnets, yes, with two little vintage
kids playing with magnets.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's like a science.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Book, clearly an old library. But that they ripped that
old check it out pocket out of all, doesn't that incredible?
A long time ago in ancient Greece. Wait, I'm gonna
tell you what year or two Georgia. This is the most. Oh,
there's all the stickers. This is from Los Angeles White
City School Library.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Let me guess what year sixty six?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Ooh sixty seven. Shit, it's so close.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I can't believe that I got that close.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I can. You've like doused yourself and shit like this.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
For so long, talking champagne, glass of diet coke is
going over. At some point you could have down the
whole thing. Okay, thank you so much. I know you
love coffee table books.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I really did. I just thought that one was the funniest.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
I really love it. That's so good. Thank you so much.
The anniversary, Happy anniversary. Here's the pen that you've always wanted.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
And I put this here by Elvis absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
With the tinfoil hat on, because so ten years. A
decade anniversary gift is tens tin or illuminum aluminum, which
what the fuck does that even?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I mean, good luck couples who have to deal with that.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
According to brides dot com, the decade long anniversary gift
is traditionally ten or aluminum, which symbolizes the strength and
resilience of your marriage. Hey, I mean the proof is
in the pudding, right, I mean right, it's Teflon, that's us.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
There's been a lot of and I've said this and
people have said it to me too, where it's like,
and you've said it to me. You and I are
the only ones who know what this has been like. Yeah,
in this way, this first hand way, it's really weird
because it is this very singular experience. It's very very strange,

(05:33):
like winning the lottery style experience, but way better. Yeah,
But then there's just this other person in the world
that's also like, yep, I was there.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Too, so like you know, Vince has been there with
us the whole time, and he can experience it. He has,
he can you know, talk about it. But like it
being about you, it's so much pressure. It's there's so
much writing on you not being a stupid, fucking asshole.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know, Like it's just a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, and a lot of like big experiences and experience
are the only ones who know what that's exactly like.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And there's no training for what we have experienced, because
there might be now, yeah, exactly, I think.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
There is now.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
But when twenty sixteen, when we started doing this, there
was not anything like this out there, which is fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I think it's pretty cool. Well, hats off to last
podcast on the Left. They were the first, they were
the original true crime.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
We definitely podcast We definitely use them as a jumping
off point of like what it could be.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
But I think that idea of like I think before
that podcasts were very niche, very like, you know, dependent
on what you were into. But like comedy nerds like
comedy podcasts or true crime obsessives were listening to true crime.
But this idea that like it's all going to get elevated,
people are going to pay more attention, more people are

(06:55):
going to come, and that means you have to be
media literate. You have to be aware of what you're
saying and you know, say the facts, don't spread misinformation.
There's like a real responsibility that just was not there
when we started, and we weren't aware of.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Right and we kind of I think the fact that
we were able to, like we adapted, thank you, we
did that alone, adapted on the fly. And I think
that's really a big part of this. But obviously the
biggest part is our listeners and you guys like sticking
with us and like going on this crazy Yes, I'll
say it journey.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
It has been a true spiritual journey.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And none of it would have happened if you guys
weren't listening, So thank you so fucking much.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, that part of it, to me has been the
most unbelievable mind blowing because the amount of people and
the love and passion with which they talk to us.
I mean, I'm just talking about the ones who have
talked to us and the ones who have played along
with us this whole time.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Like it.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
It's just an incredible gift.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Obviously, it's a very special. It feels like a once
in a lifetime thing. And oh I want to.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Do it again, though differently, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Can we please not?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Could we never again?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Should we get into it?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, we still have to do business. Look, we're very
responsible podcasters obviously, so we know there's some reading to
be done right now.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
We've had to become responsible podcasters.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
They gave us a network.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
It only took us a decade.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's right, So we've really built it up. You know,
there's all kinds of podcasts on our network.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Hey, here's a couple podcasts that are on exactly right media.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
For example, Bananas the Weird News podcast and This Week
Over On Bananas Curtain Scottie review their strangest headlines of
twenty twenty five from a radio station that went viral
for playing a harmonic on a loop for hours, to
Bahrain the dog who wanted Downhill ski Race. It's the
kind of unhinged best that only bananas can deliver.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And over on Ghosted by Roz Hernandez. Roz is over
the moon about the return of Patton Oswalt uhuh. They
get into Australia's spookiest haunted doll, Baba Vonga's twenty twenty
six prophecy about extraterrestrial contact and Patten's favorite conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Very fun, very tin hat. Then on Brief Recess, Michael
and Melissa are discussing the ice raids in Minneapolis. Then
they talked to Yoohamasaki from RuPaul's Drag Race. This show
has everything, truly and on trust me. Lola and Megan
are joined by journalist and filmmaker David Ferrier. He talks
about his reporting on a Rise Church, the largest megachurch

(09:41):
in New Zealand, and their disturbing pattern of exploitation. David
Ferrier made that documentary Tickled. Did you ever see that
god is He's amazing.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
And when he came to record with Trust Me, he
was waiting outside while I went out to get in
my car, and I was like, that's David Farrier and
so I was trying to figure out how to say
something to him or it's like Hi, I'm Karen and whatever.
And I was like kind of like trying to figure
it out, and the producer of the show just stepped
outside and was like, oh, David Wright in here, and
then he just went inside. I never said hello to

(10:13):
remember anything.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
It was your company. You've welcome to my office.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Hi, do you need to get in? I have a
pass code? Like I really could have bald out, and
instead I just stood there kind of trying to figure
something out. Classic move Okay. Now, due to popular demand,
we were just on tour, very fun, very exciting. We
had amazing tour merch that everyone loved and everyone talked about.

(10:37):
And so because the people have spoken, we want to
give them what they want. Our twenty twenty five tour
merch is now available in the exactly Right store. It's
your chance to grab posters, totes, and apparel from our
live show.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I have something. I have a poster.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I have a tote.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look at this beautiful poster. Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
This artwork for like the posters and the like Touri
merch is by Daphne Savaine, and she did such an
incredible job. There was a different logo for every city. Yeah,
and it would all have something to do with like
the city's flower or the state flower. The animal that
would like went along with it, and there were always
like beautiful deep meanings behind them.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yes, it was so thoughtful, it was amazing. And then
this was just the overall tour, so we got the
cool panthers just if you just wanted the general tour.
But then like George's poster there that's the Denver specific poster.
So all of these items are available. Plus not just that.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I want that tote's good.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I want this sweatshirt, which is just a classic. Yeah,
so cute.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's so simple through the way. You like a simple
and a murderino on the side.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Do you dare me to wear this to Marshalls? Because
I will, I will?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I love it? What else do you got? Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, very exciting. We also have ten year anniversary merch.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, so in celebration we have brand new merch. It's
the MFM collegiate neck, and we have.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
A monitor to show you pictures.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
On monitor, there's a red flag crew neck. It looks
like you went to college at my favorite murder university. Yeah, well,
all us dropouts can now have our own right college
like gear.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's a new approach to the idea of sister schools.
Now it's like the sisters who could not get their
homework done.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Come on, that's designed by a graphic designer, Vanessa Lilac.
It's so fucking cool. Yes, it's so fucking cool. So
the presale for this goes from January fifteenth through the
twenty first. You have to order it in that time
period to own it. So go to exactly rightstore dot
com to see everything that's available, including the new merch
and the twenty twenty five tour March.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I'll show Vanessa. Aside from that main design, Vanessa designed
a lot of our tour merch as well. So this
is this is Vanessa's design, the little deer that says
go fuck yourself. Yeah, I think so that's her. Love
it some great stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's our anniversary. We gotta sell. We always got to sell.
That's who we are.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
We got to keep the lights on this office of ours.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, god damn it. So we had this idea of
a good way to celebrate our tenth anniversary would be
kind of to review, to ask the listeners, what, in
your opinion were the top ten moments of the last
ten years?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So many, we can't remember most of them. Yeah, and
we thought, well, who could read this to us? We
can't just read it to each other.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That would be weird, that's narcissistic.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
So basically we have a special guest here.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Who was also the number ten on the list.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's right, non other than Stephen Ray Morris, that's right,
and he is here with us today to celebrate our
tenth anniversary.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Oh my god, it feels weird. I'm like, not on
the floor, you know, come with anything. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Where's your spiral notebook that you're supposed to be taking
your notes? It's so nice to see you.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
See you. Oh my gosh. Last time I saw you
was like a whirlwind day, like one in the morning,
and you still had to like say hi to so
many people.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, our LA show, that's right. The applause that Stephen
got at our LA show was so beautiful and so
like watching you receive that, we're just kind of like,
holy shit. It was so sweet.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
No, it was really fun. This are some really fun
shows I kept And again it was one of those
things where it was like there's like a whole camera
people moving around, but like, I don't know, it just
felt like we were back in the apartment.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It was crazy, a lot of fans coming up to Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
It was I like I got mobbed a little bit,
but it was I was like, I think they did
this on purpose.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
They love you, They're so happy to see you, and
they always I mean I think every minisode, every email
you get shouted out, I mean like you are a
part of the show.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
I still left like my signature at the bottom. You know,
they're still like writing into the email.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Stephen will be out.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
If you guys don't know, Stephen made his debut as
our engineer on episode twenty three, and he was our editor,
our fact checker and my cat yes.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
And all things to all people. You did it all
for us, Steven, Yeah, you really did.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's I mean, it's just so surreal. It's just what
you guys have done. Here is a me like I'm
just again. I was like peeking around every corner like
I have to see everything. Yeah, I know. Now there's
not somebody like playing call of duty downstairs from your place,
like you know.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Oh yeah, we used to get a little bleed through
call of duty sometimes.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Like fireworks, helicopters, literal fires, I mean, yeah, train Oh yeah,
that's right. When the Loft days. Yeah yeah, yeah, we
saw coyote like walking back to your car one time.
It's like full nature, like surreal, like we're in a
movie right now.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
We have Well, if there's anyone in the world that
understands what we have been through besides you and I,
it is Stephen Raymore.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, are you ready to walk us through?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Top nine now the top nine.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, you're number ten.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, we narrowed it down to nine and then yeah,
I feel like the first one. Number nine is like
just talking about like combining true crime and comedy. I mean,
obviously getting your perspective on this, but anyone I've talked to,
it's like getting to hear your friends tell your story,
your cool aunts, like that kind of thing at a party,
which is kind of I mean, that was how the
show started basically yeah, so surreal.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, it was never like a let's report on it.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
It was almost like a let's just let's gossip, not gossip,
because that's obviously it was like a darker than that thing.
Or it was like, let's let's get this out of
our brains where it's not doing any good to anyone.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Also, I think we had talked about ingesting for years,
ingesting that same kind of media, and then it's like,
but no one ever talked about ingesting it and receiving it.
It was always like you were so suposed to act
like a reporter if you were going to talk about this,
and we were basically like, we're not going to do that.
We're almost going to do the opposite and see what happens,

(17:08):
because it's the conversation around what we have, you know,
that's you know, the conversation around the staircase and do
you you know, how in the world could you believe
in the owl theory?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, and almost like the Halloween conversation when we first met.
We just took that onto what are these called microphones?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yes, for what's it called a decade?

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, yeah, it was like was this on mic or not?
You know, like I felt like that, like what was
your favorite forensics Like, what was your favorite Forensic File episode?
You know, what was your favorite unsolved mystery? Like totally
that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
It actually just reminded me of you saying it being
on Mike that I think one of the biggest reasons
that we got Stephen and needed Stephen was because I
used to do a weird thing with the microphones we
were using. Do you remember that where I was creating
this insane sound problem because I would shake the mic
sometimes when I was talking, and You'd be like, and

(18:01):
I think they were your mics, like and they look
like this the mic you use at a school talent.
So it was just like I would be like making
a you know, a point or something, and I go
like that, and then it would shake the bottom and
the bottom was loose and it was all and it
was like, finally was like, we need an engineer, We
need someone else besides us to help us do this.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
I mean, yeah, just just like if people knew how
cheap this first one step above karaoke, you know, but
I mean, you know again, it was one of those
things like every you know, Wednesday or Tuesday night or whatever,
just getting together to I felt like to unwind from
our day jobs at the time, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah for real, definitely.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. And I remember once there was something that was
going some drama, some big thing that you had to
help us with, and I remember just being like, thinks,
thank you so much to even you go hell, yeah,
I'm right, or die And then I was like, oh
my god, that's the best. Yeah, I really were.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, I mean it was my favorite thing to do.
Every week. We actually got to just taught you guys
like talk to the microphones about this thing that was fascinating.
And the fact that like again even by the time
I was helping you out, like the show was like
getting to number one on the podcast chart.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
It was twenty is episode twenty three.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So I think we had just shitty equipment because we
never expected it to go beyond like five episodes and
like for anyone to listen to it.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, So then it was like, oh, no, we have
to actually be like.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
You know, we have to do this better.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously that takes us like to
number eight MFM and pop culture. I think the im
means that the entertainment weekly that to me was like,
but I mean for you, for both of you, Like
when did you feel like you're like, oh, this is
like the biggest thing, or like people you know talking
about it like you see in Yellow Jackets. I feel

(19:49):
like it was another insane.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah yeah, oh my god, I've got about that one.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's right. We would get these emails that were like,
can we have permission to use your logo? And we're
like the logo Georgia made, right, it's just like sure permission.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
There was Christina Ricci, she had like a mug right Jackets.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's what there it is.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
That is the og Wow, that is my mock up
of what it could look at before we even started recording.
And I remember making that in like a cafe because
I didn't have Wi Fi at home. It was like
that time of my life and I couldn't afford to
like pay Wi Fi. So I was in a cafe
and I was supposed to be writing like a submission

(20:28):
for like a writing job like one of like my
for you know, like at a food magazine, and I
was like, oh, I really need this job, Like what
am I going to do?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And like I don't want to do that right now.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I want to make instead like the thing that's not
making me any money, I just want to yes, and
like it turned out that that was the thing that
I should have been working on.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I mean, that's the theme song is Take two. I
believe like it's just like my former theme song, Take
two dot M four A, Like holy shit.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I always thought, well, I remembered it this way, but
that makes more sense because I probably screwed it up
the first time. But I always remember it being just
me sitting down and being like, here's an example of
what it could sound like, and then just sending it
to Georgia and then it being like yeah, and then
that's what it is and that's what it remains. I
think there's those things like that where it's like that's

(21:20):
a good piece of advice for people. It's just like,
don't mess with things too much. It doesn't need to
be perfect. Just like put it out there and see.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Well it felt like yeah, the things that you were
ingesting the stories at the time, it was just like
all right, we get to talk about it and then
it's like fresh on Thursdays. Yes, And I feel like
that was something that I feel like not everyone was doing.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
It was like that, because you know, it's like if
you make a movie or a TV show or something,
it takes like months or years, just you know, again
working on shows where you're like in a writer's room
for six months and then they start coming out. But
it was like, oh no, we're responding to like things
in real time.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
We don't have time to like make it precious and
make it perfect or even think about should we be
saying this at all?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
And also, you know, again thanks to Steven, because it
got to be timely like that, because you would leave
those records and then stay up all night editing those shows.
It's hilarious. I mean the dedication.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
We were supposed to be recording on like Tuesdays, and
I think at least half the time we were like, shit,
we can't record until Wednesday night, not knowing how long
it took to edit.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
No nothing, know when we were neighbors so I could
just walk over.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, exactly, thank god.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So crazy.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I also really loved when you guys were in the Simpsons.
To me, that's also like another you know, like thing
that you're you enjoy as a fan and then you
get to like see it.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think that was a maybe like teary eyed moment
for me when we were Yeah, it was like a
podcasting episode or a true crime podcasting episode, and they
had drawn our caricatures as like podcasts, true crime podcasting,
you know, names and our names and face like Simpsons
faces were on there, and Simpsons to me when growing

(23:01):
up was one of the most important things in my
entire life. I guess one of the reasons I think
I'm slightly funny is because of watching The Simpsons for
as long as I did. Yeah, and that so that
just felt like that was something I could send to
my brother and he would get it, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I saw that picture. I just couldn't to see yourself
simpsonified is wild to know it's actually in an episode
that was really a humbling experience. It was really the
craziest honor and then full circle of like somebody on
our Facebook page in the you know, in the comments,
made up the name Murderino. They stolen from The Simpsons. Yes,

(23:37):
so it's like perfect. It's like instead of suing us,
they put us on the show. It's so nice of them.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
That was one of those That moment and Jeopardy are
two moments that it felt like, Okay, whatever fucking happens
in life, historically, you can't take that away from me ever,
you know what I mean, Like it will always have
been on Jeopardy and on some sense.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
So if you want to see any of these things
we're talking about, go to our social media. You can
see all those pictures if you haven't already.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, we're posting a lot of cute stuff for the
ten year anniversary this week, so check it out.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
I know, even just being in here, like seeing all
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Is like, no, so surreal collection has.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
That like appreciation of those things is that? Do you
think you appreciate it more now? Because I feel like
at the time just even remembering like the scramble for
the three of us, like going through Twitter, going through Facebook,
like trying to just source any of this stuff because
it was just yea, like every week we were just like, okay,
let's just we need to just focus on the episode
now and then yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, it's like a living scrap book kind of where
you don't And that's the thing is like I feel
like scrap book people are such future geniuses, Like when
you were talking about doing stuff for future Georgia that
it finally makes sense to me because it's like, now,
you know, you look around and you see this stuff
and you're like, I remember when that person handed that
to me at a live show or when they sent

(24:56):
it in, and we're like, this is what I do
for a living, but I also want to do it
for you, Like it's such a beautiful kind of way
to keep time, and like to keep ten years. It's like,
we have a lot of this stuff with people that
wanted to play along with us.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah. Well, and I feel like the feeling, I don't
know how you felt when they recreated the pod loft
in that New York you know, in New York.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, and then also at the Microsoft Theater Halloween show,
they recreated the fucking pod loft. Like that's I think
there's so many moments from this podcast and from ten
years that I keep saying to myself that are so
incredible and overwhelming, and if I stopped and thought about them,
I think i'd like short circuit. So they've been like
I'm gonna emotionally deal with this.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Later when I'm sixty seven, and yes.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I can't do it right now because I you know, like,
if you think about how many people are listening to
your voice right now? You can't fucking speak, So it's
just like, I'm not going to worry about it right now.
In the future, as an old lady, I'm going to
be like that was pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, but I'm doing a bit or that's what I'm
doing to you right now. But it can't do it
not speaking bit unless you're not.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Speaking yeah, unless you're watching, right.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I mean, it is that kind of thing where I
think we were very good about keeping it. It's like, yeah,
you can't think about those numbers and you can't think
about the you know. It's that idea. I think at
some point one of the many problems that we had
to all solve together and it was like, look, we're
not looking for a consensus here. This isn't we're not
trying to it's we didn't do something to be super

(26:33):
popular for millions of people. We did something for each
other and for ourselves. And then it's like and then
it went somewhere, which I think is the advice if
people are looking for it, where it's like please yourself
and make yourself laugh or interest yourself because you can't
think of it that way. Or you will totally melt down.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
No, I always feel like it's like telling people. It's like,
can you have a fun conversation with somebody where I
mean again, back in the early days, it was like
seeing you to make each other laugh for discovering something new.
Was always like so you know, it's like that. That's
when I was like with my in my notebook, like
writing the things that you guys said, you know, like
that's the stuff where it's like if you can do that,
like I feel like you could do anything.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
We took those and made them into the show titles
instead of using the number puns and nine was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, we had a couple good ones. But also that
just makes me think of Georgia would always have either
a pot of coffee or her old coffee from the morning,
and Steve and I would have a big old cup
of like seven thirty coffee and just be like, yeah,
let's do this thing.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
We're super charge plus diet coke, yes.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Whiskey for me.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, we're going all in different directions. I think
that's what made it all need.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Our own special form of just lighting off. Yeah, like
the fireworks that went off one time in the middle
of recording, Oh my god, all the cats like scattered. Yeah. Wait,
So then when like number seven writing the books say
sexy don't get murdered like nice? Was that a moment
where you had to like actually sit down because that
was to be the fun and surprising thing about reading

(28:09):
it was like you had to like or when you
were talking about it and getting into you're like, oh,
we actually have to like write about our whole life.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, that was what was that?

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
That was one of the hardest I don't think we
expect Oh hey, look, oh look, oh there it is.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It's a very bitter look on my face right there.
I'm very angry.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm stoked because that was the fuck one of the
hardest things I've ever had to do in my entire
fucking life. We didn't really know what it was going
to be. It turned out to be like a memoir
in a lot of ways of the stupid, painful things
we've done and gone through that naked so that we're
the people who you can trust to deliver these pieces
of advice too, which means you had to like dig deep.

(28:49):
Every note I would get from Ali, our incredible editor,
was like, what did it feel like, tell me more
about how hard that moment was or how awful it was.
It was just like, yeah, there was a lot of
therapy at the time.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, it was incredible. Well, and also just the opportunity.
It's like everybody knows like if you get a popular thing,
if you get over a certain number of people that
will pay attention to it, you'll get a book deal,
or you'll get a blank or you'll get a blank.
And when that came through, it was like, well, this
could just be another perfunctory thing that gets done because

(29:26):
that's what gets done. But then it's like, but we
could really do something with this. And also we are
not true crime journalists. Again and again we say so,
it's like we don't have to worry about that. It's
like we can just talk about the one thing we know,
Like I felt, I felt so much comfort in that
because it's just like we don't have to pretend, like

(29:47):
suddenly in the middle of all this, we don't have
to pretend to be something. It's like we'll just keep
on doing what we've been doing and hopefully it'll work.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I think that was probably the Writing a book is
something I always wanted to do in my life, like
that was a life goal. I don't know how the
fuck was going to happen because I didn't go to college. Yeah,
you know, same, and so getting that getting that opportunity
was like, this is once in a lifetime thing that
you've always wanted. Don't fuck it up, like make yourself
proud of it. And there are times like these days,

(30:14):
I like, even now years later, sometimes I'm like I
think I feel lazy or I haven't done anything, and
then I'm like, you wrote a book.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You wrote out a book, a book.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
That cannot be taken away. There's a fucking number one
bestseller on fucking New York Times. Yeah, that can't be
taken away.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
And I'll never forget. People will tell you they like it,
but whatever. So now you've achieved this dream. But maybe
it's actually not good or blah blah blah, but the
reviews were good. So I just kept looking for like, okay,
well where's the bad things so that you know, I
can take this all apart in my negative way, and
it would just like couldn't do it, couldn't do it.
And then people to this day like bring it to

(30:52):
us to sign or tell us how much it meant
to us like it's incredible, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm so, I'm really I do still think it's great.
I'm like really proud of us, I really am. I'm
just there's nothing about it that I would change.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Plus you APOLOGI you.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Giamadi in the audiobook What More You Want?

Speaker 5 (31:11):
I forgot how did that even happen.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Because I did the running joke of like, people would
ask us if we were going to do like a
Q and a episode people in Ascus, who would play
you in the movie, And you said the people that
you people have told you you look like. And then
of course I said Paul Giumadi, And then I guess
someone told Paul Giumadi that, and so then he was
trying to get a hold of us to be like
I listened to your podcast and I liked it or something.

(31:35):
And one day I woke up and there was an
email from a random email where it's like the fact
that I didn't delete it is a miracle, because it'd
be like, I don't know who this is from, but
I read it anyway, and it was like you people
are harder to get a hold of. And it was
written in this perfect Paul Giamadi voice, and then it
was like, thank you for saying nice things about me.

(31:56):
You know, your delight. He basically heard we were talking
about so went and listened to the podcast and was like,
I like your podcast. And I was like, well, then
I'm going to do the gross Hollywood thing and say
would you like to read a chapter? And he was
like sure, And then I was totally sure he was
going to just flake later on, just like tell me us,

(32:17):
and he did it.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
He did it.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
What it mention so surreal. And then I mean, like
again just expanding outward because we were talking a little before,
but just the you know, the number six is touring. Yeah,
when did you decide that? You were like, we have
to do this, and then how did you? I mean again,
like I think in twenty nineteen, you guys toured from

(32:40):
January to May.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, don't talk about it.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, we we just wanted to do a live show.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
A couple there were some podcast festivals and they were
fun and made sense.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
To what we were doing. So we were like, well,
let's do.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Our own live show, like outside of podcasting event.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
It seemed like that's what a lot of comedy podcasters did.
It's like if people go and they put up one
of those folding tables and then you know, you line
ups and MiGs and you sit there and you do
your podcasts and people can see you in real life.
So I was like, well, let's all call the Bell House.
That's where a lot of comics that I know in
New York like do stuff like that, and we'll just,

(33:18):
you know, see what happens. And we so many people
tried to buy tickets that the guy called me like,
what the fuck is going on because we fucked up
their whole day and probably their week with the like
it's sold out immediately, the whole thing. And that was
when we started to get the sense of like, oh,
this isn't we don't understand how big this is, and

(33:39):
we don't understand that it's like, yeah, we sold out
the Bell House.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's a big deal. It was a huge deal to me.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I think this last tour that we were on two
was really cool because so for the our LA shows,
I have since talked to a lot of people who
I'm really close. We hadn't toured in six years, so
there's actually that I'm very close with that I didn't
know then, and so hadn't seen the live shows or
hadn't been to a live show, so they came in
there like, oh, I didn't understand you're always stressed. I

(34:10):
didn't totally understand it until I went to a live
show and heard and saw everyone, Like when you walked out,
I didn't realize what a big fucking.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Deal it was.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
That same thing happened my friend Lark, who now does
my hair. I invited him to come and he just
told me when he was doing my roots.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
The other day.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
He was like that, he goes, you didn't tell me
anything about what that was going to be. Like I
thought I was going to go support you, like I
was going to be nice and be in the audience
for you. He goes, I was so embarrassed when I
got to the Pasadena Civic Auditorium or whatever. He is
that like, I had no idea and you didn't tell me,
And I was like, I'm like not a detailed person.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, what do you say, Like, here's how many listeners
we have, here's our numbers, please come to this show.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
It's yes, you can't. You don't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
So yeah, there was definitely a lot of like, oh, okay,
this this is.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Bigger than what I thought. Yeah, which is kind of.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
D I mean when we did Anaheim, I got to
stand on stage where I saw Michelle Branch in high school.
So that was just like, oh my god, everyone this
you have no idea.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
So it's so incredible.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
That was such a good show. When Georgia did the Disneyland, but.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
That's a Disneyland. I just want to go do that
for so long.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Is there live show memories that stick out to you?
I think of like the person crawling the audience.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
The fun part about especially that first year of touring,
was we were out with a bunch of people who
were like they were friends with us, and so it
really was like you just went and did a live
show with all your friends in the audience where were
they were heckling us and they wanted to be a
part of it and all of it. But at the
same time that dynamic that none of us had gotten before,

(35:49):
which is this is what happens when we do this part.
This is what they're doing while we do this part.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Like pockets, having addressed with pockets gets a huge round
up a part.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
What okay, that's our thing.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeap, No one would understand, but it's like, but everyone
understands because we're all kind of the same in that
way it was I mean those early days. Yeah, the
Portland shows were always amazing. I think my family seeing
coming to the Oakland shows and seeing me and having
that same experience of we didn't understand.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
What this was.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And then of course never forget the Arizona show. I
think it was Tempe or in the Round Phoenix, Oh yeah,
the show in the Round, the show where the stage
was spinning in a circle.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Since I'm trying to remember, but I feel like the
way you described it was just.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Like it was almost unnoticeable until suddenly you looked up
and the person you were had been looking at what
was not there.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
And and for that, I would say it was too
fast because it was like it was almost like for
people in a musical, it was perfect, but for podcasting
it was insane. It was like we could only focus
on each other because we're just like it was. It
was so crazy and so funny, and no one told
us that it was in the round or on a

(37:06):
moving stage, so walking out onto stage, we were discovering
all of it at the same time. It was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Did you do a full rotation.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I never asked, did you do like, oh oh multiple times?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I think it went around twenty or thirty times during
the length of an hour. Oh yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Was pretty good. It was good fodder.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
It was I mean, it was insanity. And then that
show had the best hometown I think of all time.
She did an amazing job.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
I mean some of those hometowns were so people were
like even just the most recent the LA shows, everyone
is just like so excited. I forget, Like, do you
have like a favorite hometown person or just like I
mean there was marriage proposals, like, there was all kinds
of stuff. People came on stage, guests.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, if it's favorite person, then I would pick
our drunk front from Washington, d C. Who could only
say Laura to Bobbit fifteen times. And she tried, and
she was there and she was loving life, and you
know it was just Georgia had to pick from fifty
feet away and this woman was waving her hand like
we told her the rule you can't be too drunk.

(38:12):
Maybe we made up the rule you can't be too drunk.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
It after Yeah, no, you always framed it. You're like
there was a whole thing. Yeah, people had to pay attention,
where like everyone settled down for a moment. Yes, please,
these are the qualifications, now go yeah, be a.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Good storyteller, know what you're doing. Yeah, all those things
with this Gal.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I do love that, like the kind of just
unexpectedness of it all where it's just you're fucking hoping
this person delivers, and when they deliver, it's so it's powerful,
but it's even more so because you just it's not
planned all.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
It's just so so incredible.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
And sometimes it's like a person that's like I am
the city's district attorney, where you're like you're listening to
this podcast, like, oh my god, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
Did the touring this time feel different?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I mean I just felt it just felt like a gift,
you know what I mean, after like not doing it
for so long, having it kind of be like we
don't have to do it, it's not like required, and
then being able to like film it. There was just
a lot to it that was like it felt very
like be in this here, be in the now right now,

(39:18):
and really love it because it was those first I mean,
the back to back years were hard, and it was
the hardest version of touring multi cities in a weekend.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, got crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah he tour manage the hell out of that thing
when he got in there and saved it. For sure.
It was nuts. There was that one show maybe it
was Vancouver that the it was just the best audience,
like the response and the stories, and I think it
was Vancouver. It was they bubble up. But then like

(39:54):
if I sat here long enough enough, I would name
every single one well.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
And also I feel like over the of just like
wanting to pick the stories. I mean, I was embarrassed
to when we were doing Kansas City and then was
like looking at Kansas City Kansas murderers, I was like,
oh King, I'm so sorry. This is Kansas City, Kansas,
not Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
That's on them though, Like come on, you.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Cannot name the city is the same.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And one that doesn't even belong to the same.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
No, irresponsible. It was not our fault, not your fault
at all.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Thank you closure.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yes, No, we're fine.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Is there like a story that you were glad that
you did live versus doing it home?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The live story choosing part is so hard because it
has to be so many things that it can't be,
you know, or it can't be so many things that
it can be when it's just the two of us, because.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
You don't want to bum out a whole fucking audience.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
There's just a different expectation, and we had to learn
it by doing it, which is a tough way to
learn on stage a live show. I mean that actually
is the definition of stand up comedy. It's a their
kind of an awful experience. But then you like the
improvement and the kind of you make these little changes
and you're like, Okay, here's the parameter, here's what we

(41:13):
will talk about here. And also just if we have
a room full of you know, if we're lucky two
thousand people, how are we going to maximize this experience
so that we're all this is like kind of best
case scenario for this city, this audience.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
What do they want?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And then yeah, also like all sort of remember that
when they're booing, they're usually not booing us, they're booing
the story.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Yeah, what point were you like? Okay, this is they're
not booing forever.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I'm still like, what are you mad? Where'd I say?
What did we do?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
That's why I used to get so angry at when
they would heckle, because it was like old, the old
me of like if you're saying anything that means you're
against me, where it's like these are people that just
want to talk. Also, they finally get to talk back
to you and they really want to do it.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
And they had drinks before and a meetup and so.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, there's all kinds of reasons.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
I mean, I also loved seeing both of you meeting
everybody afterwards.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, the meeting a fucking special, so fun.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
And people just were like like this, like like ready
because they just had the thing Like in New Zealand,
somebody had ice cream with them the whole show, like
that kind of stuff, like do you remember any like
specific things like that.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
But the Australian Museum there was amazing experiences. I got
proposed to remember that I got proposed to. A woman
brought her rugby player husbands. She's like, Karen, and I
want you to see what a real one looks like
in real life. Like was that we had some great ones.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It's so funny because after the show you're like just
completely emotionally drained. It just takes a lot out of you.
And then you have to do this like hundred person
meet and greet. But then you're also like they're bringing
me the coolest fucking guests, and like every you know,
every other person has some like either ceramic beautiful thing
that they made for you or a fucking bag full
of gies. Yeah, or like a Siamese cat stuffed animal.

(43:01):
Like it's just it's like then you can't sleep all
night because you have so much like endorphins running through
because it's just such.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
A cool experience.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
And then it's people getting to tell you like how
long they listen in like what you were there with
them for. Yeah, and that's just like you don't get
that when it's just sitting in a you know, studio
recording and I hadn't had it for so long. And yeah,
like we'll run into people on the street who will
like say hi and introduce themselves.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
But just that onslaught that you get when you're touring.
Is it's life giving? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Did they like when the people tell you they go
back to school for that?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
So many like I became a this and I went
back to school for that, or I left this relationship
because I this, I went to there's so many I
went to therapy because you guys talked about it and
that to me, is like the fucking point of it all.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Yeah, it's so cool.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
No, I had a friend who was telling me, like
I growing up, like I didn't think mental health was
like a thing until they listened to the show.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
It was very touching.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
And also I love the fact that that was just
the coincidence of both you and I am not giving
a shit, Like I was raised by a mother who's
a psychiatric nurse. You were raised where therapy was very
much like fine and good and a part of your life,
and so it was just this weird we didn't know better,
and then we were like everybody else was interpreting it.

(44:16):
I was like you allowed. Other people were were like no,
we just loved talking about ourselves, Like.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
What did you do today? I went to therapy? Yeah,
I'm just talking about my day like something cool. My
therapist said, No, I'm not, like I didn't and like
the medication change I'm going through right now, it's like
just part of my life. But that the fact that, like,
I think because of that, people didn't, you know, we
made it not a big deal to talk about, and
so it's not a.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Big and we get credit for as if we planned
it and we didn't.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Number five on this list is creating the podcast network
exactly right, Like again, this is so the space is
bigger than I think the original Yeah network studio basically.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
You mean the original studio where you couldn't flush the
bathroom toilet while people were recording because there five feet
away from each other. It's not less.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
We always say, like, you know, they gave us a network,
and it really did start with like a deal that
was being struck, and part of the deal was they
want you to have your own network. So that is
how it started, and we said, awesome, let's do it.
But I don't think they expected us to like to
do it ourselves the way we of course would never

(45:24):
let anyone else fucking do it.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, So I mean, yeah, I think it was that idea.
Probably at the time they're like, well, if this true
crime podcast is popular, then that'll be a network with
a bunch of other true crime podcasts. And then, of course,
very quickly we found that it's like in sales, it
doesn't work that way because we will eat up all
of the advertising. There was all the kind of business

(45:48):
behind the logic of it, and so then we were like, well,
we have plenty of hilarious friends who are not interested
in true crime at all, and they wanted their podcasters,
and we got to the way I used to say,
it's very hackey, but it's like we got to build
our own Marvel universe of all the people around us,
where it's like everybody can't be Superman, you know what

(46:09):
I mean, every If everybody's flying around with their laser vision,
it's a little boring. We need everybody that's like, we
need an Aquaman and we need a storm. There's no
way these people are all in the Marvel universe. And
I know there's people that are furious right now, furious
that I would be cross promoting these characters.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Well they so yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I think that what happened was they thought that that
we were just going to churn out a bunch of
my favorite murders to make them a ship ton of money.
And I think we pissed off a lot of fucking
people because we were like, that's that's not what we
want to do. That doesn't really happen that way, and
like we want to do it our way.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
So I think you're picking things that resonate with you.
I want to listen to that exactly like this podcast
will kill You or yes, right, you know, just any
of the kind of shows like Bridger just getting to
Open Presence and.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
He's super pissed all the time. Yeah, this podcast will
kill You is George's favorite podcast. And then I remember
her choos just like I think this would work because
it's thematically similar, but it's not on point where it's
just like yes, like those kinds of you know, that's
how you pick trust me that same thing where it's
like we do podcasting because we like podcasts and we

(47:19):
listen to podcasts. So it all did make sense. But yeah,
the build of it, it was just like how are
we going to do this? And how are we going
to keep on doing this? And it really did become
its own separate jobs. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah, what is it like now?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I feel like, well, now we have like forty employees.
I mean it's just.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
A yeah, I don't Yeah, it was definitely way way
more work than we thought it would be. I often
wonder like if we hadn't started the network with our
lives would be like right now. It definitely it turned
it into a business rather than a hobby. Yeah, and

(48:02):
I had to step away from the CEO angle of
it or running the business at all, because I just
don't know how, and I don't want to pretend like
I do. I got really just overwhelmed.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
By it all.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
But I love the network, I love the podcast we
get to put on it, and I think it's a
special place. I think, like those podcasts that come to us,
I'm always like, they're going to be happy, and we
want to make sure they're happy, and you know, make
it the place where everyone gets to be themselves and
creative and not being told what to do, because I
don't think like nowadays my favorite murder would be picked
up on a big network, like they make us change

(48:34):
everything about it, you know, or like I wouldn't be
famous enough to like host a podcast, so we don't
want we didn't want.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
To do stuff like that to other people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, Well, and for years knowing creative people, working with
creative people, and being around creative people, it's like, yeah,
you learn, you know what you like, and you know
that your taste is good, and you watch you know,
you know why something seems to be better than something else,
and it is not just it's not just chance, it's
not you know what I mean, and it's not just surface.

(49:04):
It's like, especially in podcasting, you have to be better
I think, and more entertaining and more compelling than the
average person on TV because there's no distraction. It's hyper focused.
I literally, yeah, this back and forth. So there is
a little bit of the magical combination that Georgia and
I knew simply by going okay, we've done this, we

(49:27):
see what's hit, we think we know why. And then
of course I had a background in television where just
like this used to be my job all the time,
where you're trying to put ideas together and make that
magical combination hit, and whether you do or not, it's
a completely different business and it's also a different science.
So it's just like, okay, I had a little bit

(49:49):
of that knowledge. But also all of it was a startup,
and I mean, and that was kind of the spirit
of it, which is just like, well, let's just see
what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Yeah, and then giving i mean Paul holes Applia every
week to be his magical.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Self our pleasure, I mean, thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Or was that like approaching him because I feel like,
I mean, the Golden State Killer getting caught was so
such a part of the I was unfortunately at Margueritaville
when both of you found out. That's right, But like
even just approaching him to start something, and like I
feel like, I mean, he was probably used to that
whole like TV world, where it was very restrictive, and
you were like, here, here's an opportunity to get to

(50:28):
talk about the things that you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah, thank god. He was a very experienced talking head
before we ever talked about him. But that you're right,
that kind of order of how it went, whereas like
Georgia and I the Golden State Killer focus, you know,
he hadn't been renamed. Michelle McNamara came in her work,
her book I'll Be Gone in the Dark, her documentary,

(50:52):
like all these things kind of happening together, her very sudden,
very shocking death, and then within a year of that
or so, that case gets solved. And it's like a
case that had been so old and nobody, I think
nobody ever thought it was going to and then suddenly
it was like these changes, and it was very parallel

(51:15):
to our experience where it was like those kinds of
watching that happening change so quickly where it was like
I never imagine this. Now we're dealing with it, now
we're in it, and yeah him, then we got the
craziest thing of all, which is the surprise of Paul
Holes on the podcast. So yeah, that went great. And
then it was like the second we all left that office,

(51:35):
I was sending an email that was like, you want
to absolutely you are not allowed to do a podcast
anywhere else. It has to be with us, And he
was like, I agree, Yeah, that was very cool.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Yeah, and I feel like maybe there's another surprise we
want to do with the Paul Holes. Well, oh my.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Gosh, like you two have gotten yourselves into a bit
of a pickle. It sounds like we need to have
a conversation. It's going to be fun to see who
flips on who ten years are you kidding? I remember
the first time I heard about you guys and I

(52:19):
had filmed a investigation discovery documentary on this unsolved Golden
State killer case. It's the one where they have me
running in a creek like Forrest Gump. After it was released,
the producer called me up and she says, Paul, You're
not going to believe this. Karen George are you talking
about you? Yeah, on the podcast my favorite murder. I

(52:44):
don't know what you're talking about. As you know, I
don't listen to podcasts, especially when I was still active.
But obviously fate ended up intervening, if you will, and
I blame YouTube always happened. You know, very special memory

(53:08):
is when I flew down to LA to be a
surprise guest on your show and I was hitting in
essence in a closet at the studio where you were
recording at the time, and then ultimately was shoved into
the room in front of a microphone. And you know,

(53:30):
I never had any experience talking into a microphone before,
especially for something called a podcast. And you know, at
the time, Karen, you and I sort of had a
little bit of an online relationship going on kindless those days.
But anyways, that was an amazing experience. And by the way,

(53:55):
Karen Georgia was in on it the entire time. I
don't know if she's ever divulgeat.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
She knew she knew was.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Thank you so much for all the support you've given me.
Thank you for supporting Buried Bones. I think it's been
way too long since we have sat down together, had
a drink again, just caught up and probably need to
include Kate because if we don't, she's going to kick
my as she doesn't. Our producer Alexis will definitely do that.

(54:33):
Ten years. It's been an amazing ten years. I'm looking
forward to the next ten years.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Please again, and yeah take care.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Oh my gosh, Poles here.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
That was really lovely.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
After we recorded that surprise appearance by him, we were
all all going to the Tam o' shanter and after
to have lunch, and somehow he got put in the
car with me, even though I was like, I can't
drive anywhere with a cop and the whole he was
like trying to chit chat with me the whole way,
but I was like so focused on not like breaking

(55:16):
the law, and I guess just kept going through my
head of like all the things I've done that are
illegal in my life, just sitting next to that, and
he's like such like stoic dude, you know, and I
was just like, be cool, be fucking Then we got
some tama. I was like, whiskey please, just like I
can't soph be alone in a car with Paul fucking holes.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Also like he's gorgeous, so that did not help.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
He's a lovely man. This is the kind of lesson,
as you well know, that we learned on the podcast
all the time, which is you say one offhand thing
because it feels like you're in a private conversation with
your friend that of course a bunch of people are
actually listening to. So and that happened with a bunch
of stuff. But with the Paul Holes thing, I was
just like, there's hot guy's talking about you know whatever,

(55:58):
very whatever, And then I said he looked like the
guy from Hunter. And then all of a sudden, my
whole Twitter feed is like everybody adding me and talking
about it and talking about it. And then he came in.
Then he was it, and then people went crazy and
it was like the hot for Holes movement start. It
was and I'm just like sitting there looking at it, like, again,
we did not plan for this, we didn't do it

(56:21):
on purpose. And then there was like the people who
were coming in and going he's married, like, how dare
you where I'm like, he's doing it too, We're like
it was just so surreal.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah, yeah, it was an incredible moment.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Crazy.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Well, speaking of moments. Should we get into our favorite
episodes number four? Yeah, my favorite episodes?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Sure, what's your favorite episode?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
I mean, Mary Vincent. Yeah, Like, I just think that
story has like stuck with me personally over the years,
and I feel like it's one of the things anytime
I've run into murderinos. Besides, before you started touring again,
anytime I'd run into a Murderina's like when are Karen
and Georgia going back on Dora? But like, yeah, Mary
Vincent's stories, just.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
That's the one I see.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, I see that one mentioned like online more than
any other one, or like I listened to that and
became a murdering now, Like that's totally the one.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
So good job.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Oh thank you kindly, I mean, honestly, the Anaheim deaths
at Disneyland was just it was it was unexpected, and
it's so fun as a prize for me because you know,
it's a surprise for Georgia and I don't know the
stories we're about to tell each other ever in ten years. Yeah,
we've never known. And so that one was like because

(57:32):
we were in Anaheim, it was like the people, the locals,
the people who've had to deal with Disneyland or worked
at Disneyland or know all that stuff. And we were
also in this funny little room that felt like a
conference room at like the Hyatt that they had made
into like a theater for us. So at certain points

(57:52):
it was like rocking, literally like the room was rocking
with like the back and forth of it all, and
it was like that experience couldn't have happened in any
other way without that story making it happen.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
And I love that so much because and I said
this about hometowns recently too, so death set amusement parks
have been anxiety obsession of mine since I was a kid,
Like I remember the first time I heard about someone
dying on Space Mountain at Disneyland, as like a six
year old and being like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I need to know everything about.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
This, so like this podcast that's true crime, and also
with hometowns, where it's like I want to know what
happened in your fucking neighborhood that you can't stop thinking
about because it should happen in mine. And I have
not been able to stop thinking about that my whole
life because I have anxiety. But also like how could
you There's people who just go around places and not
think about the worst things that could happen.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Right, the fuck are you so getting to do that story?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So even though it's true crime, death's at Disneyland, you
wouldn't think goes along with that, And like getting to
sit on stage and tell you and an like whole
audience that are excited to hear about my biggest fears
and share it and not be called names or not
be like sent to rehab or whatever. Like it's just
so fucking incredible and special. And then the hometowns too,

(59:11):
where it's like I used to just ask random people
once in a while, you know what happened. Now we
get like fucking inundated, and I get to hear everyone's
story and I just like, and.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
That's my career, that's my life.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, and that's why, like I was able, I can
like help my family with money like is because of this.
So that's just an incredibly special, amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, it's just the it's you think you're alone, or
you think you're different or weird, and then to have
all these people be like, no, I had the exact
same thought you had, or I have the exact same
fear you have, and that or that idea of like
when we're going through those deaths and this is the
misunderstanding that happens all the time. No one likes the
death part, right, that's not what we're doing. We're basically

(59:55):
talking about those things going this happened. It's so awful.
We're together, you're not alone reading this in the dark
in your bed anymore. Like we somehow bridge this gap
of that we didn't realize needed to be bridged so badly.
Of like, we're going to talk about it together, and
it's going to have all the elements not it's not

(01:00:16):
just jokes. It's not comedy the whole time. It's comedy, tragedy, comedy, tragedy,
poignant moment, personal moment, like it hits all those buttons
and not consciously. It's just like that's just kind of
how we figured out how to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Yeah, Well, and for you are your favorite episodes of
your own just the kind of rabbit holes you would
have gone or you feel like half the time, you're like, well,
I've already been reading about this for like a few weeks,
Like Typhoid Mary, or like the Galapa ghost stories, that
was like stuff that you were already inter different plane
crashes or bridge collapses or moth like that, just with
stuff you both were already interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I can't when when there is a day like when
we're going to record, and even when things have been
so fucking stressful in our world and everything that's going on,
and I go, I can't. In my mind, I think
I can't wait to tell Karen about the story. I
can't like or I'm writing, you know, putting the finishing
touches on him, like, oh, I can't. I'm gonna add
this because Karen's gonna like when I'm excited to tell

(01:01:12):
Karen a story, that's when I know it's going to
be a good episode. And whether that's on stage or
just here, I mean, that's when I know it's like,
so even a cold case, I'd be like, Okay, I
have to make this cold case worth it to tell
her or she's going to be pissed. So like, how
do I make this the cold case story that Karen
is like okay hearing? Yeah, And that's when I know

(01:01:33):
it's going to be like a good episode or a
good story that I tell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah, we're each other's perfect audience. Yeah, Because then it's
like you're, you know, come along with me where I
bring you into my British victoryan eighteen hundreds thing that
you don't care about, but I'm gonna make you care.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
But I do now I do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I mean it is like yeah, like you know, to
be totally transparent. There have been times when we have
not been getting along, and then we'll record and I'll go, fuck,
that's so special, like fuck, we're so good together, and
it's just like undeniable and it just softens part of you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Also to me, it's funny because I feel like the
not getting along has always been, oh, are you having
trouble doing your gigantic business with the person you met
four months ago? Like every time I would be upset
or frustrated or whatever, it would be like, who has
ever done a situation like this well and gracefully the

(01:02:30):
whole time? And like with complete unity. It's like, not
getting along is how you get through a thing like that,
And it's basically saying you're of your opinion. I have
my opinion. Can we get together and decide what's best
for this third thing which is not either of us.
It's this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Which we both fucking care about so much, and you
can't fight over a thing you're both so passionate about.
I do think both of us having older sisters very.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Fun to say, Like the sister element was such a
reoccurring theme. Yes, both of you having older sisters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
For sure, but it's also the worst version because no
little sister wants to be older sistered by somebody else.
So we've gone through our whole lives being absolutely oppressed
by our older sisters in some ways. And so then
when you start hearing the older sister tone, which I love,

(01:03:24):
I know exactly how to copy my sister's voice, you know,
in that thing of like, it took me way too
long to realize that's exactly what Orga doesn't want to hear.
So like that's not going to convince her of anything.
That's actually going to push her the other.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Direction, trigger me into like all my bad habits. Yeah,
that happened when I get you know well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
And also when it's like what we're fighting about is
not who's going to drive to the party, it's this
thing that's highly impactful and there's all these people waiting
to see and money and pressure and decisions, and it's like, yeah,
And also we have to get through this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
We have to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Doesn't matter how bad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Every week, you know, i still have to come meet
up on a Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I'm fucking tell each other stories.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
No, there was no Christmas or New Year's off. It
was like back then you had to do a podcast everywhere,
know it, like summer off like nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Because the second you even got slightly popular, that's when
people were like, I think we one time did it
on a different day.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Yeah, well, because the Golden State Killer press conference we
waited to in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
He even knows exactly like that very specifically.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
I remember it because we were like, no, we should
watch this, and then we recorded it like around noon
and then I got it up like by four on
a Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
But you sure did hear about it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
No, there was. I mean back in the day, it
was like if something was late, or it was like,
oh god, what's happening? Are they okay? Can we do
a wellness check?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Like yes, it would be me and you talking at
seven thirty in the morning because I look at Twitter
and people would be like I don't know, no, no, no,
it's my automatic thing. Or and then I'd be like
Stephen did something bad happen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Like first, the first asleep at the computer, I woke up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
At eleven o'clock in the morning. You guys would have
fixed it, So I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Hey, I just woke up. What's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And then the fighting begins?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Yeah, well but.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Again no physical violence, I can confirm nobody, no hair pulling,
no Nothingverever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
We've always been able to come back to our senses.
In some way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I've broken some of her ship secretly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, that's right. I come home. All the mirrors in
my house are broken. This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Well, I mean we're counting down at three, and I
feel like the catchphrase is, you know the mfmism stay
sexy to like, well, what point do you remember like
when people were like saying things back at you. Were
you surprised by like what the stuff was that people
were like, fuck politeness, the things that were catching on
or putting on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I do remember the first time someone ever yelled
stay sexy at me out of a car in San
Francisco on hate like in the you know, maybe Vince
and I had just gotten married or like for some reason,
we were in northern California and some fucking girl yelled
stay sexy driving by, and I just screamed and don't
get murdered, like in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
The middle of a fucking like public place.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
So like it is still a little bit like you
kind of have to whisper it, you know, because it
sounds crazy. Like this girl at a gym recently who
worked there, who was so lovely. She was like helping me, like,
cancel my membership because I don't go back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
What do you mean you're at the gym I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Was canceling that I had paid for for six months,
had never gone to. And she was so lovely and
swedened on the way out, she was like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Damn it, what did you tell me what they're going?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I had a yell, don't get murdered at a gym.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah, so that's all, but that's a great like final line. Yeah,
be like and by you guys, you will not see
me back here. I think I've told the story a
million times, but it really was very affecting because having
already lived in Los Angeles, you know, trying to make
it in Los Angeles for at that point fifteen years
or more, and sitting getting my nails done in Silver

(01:07:09):
Lake near the ninety nine cents store, and it was
that kind of thing where it's like I always feel
so self conscious getting my nails done, where I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Like here, like it whatever, me me look pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
And like in the middle she was done, but I
was in the middle, and she this girl just walked
up and went stay sexy and ran and truly literally
ran out, like I was going to be like shut
the fuck. And then I was like, this is perfect
because no, people don't yell at me. They're always like,
I know, you don't want to talk to me and
run away. And I'm like, whatever I've done to make

(01:07:44):
it be like this, this is my dream come true.
I get all the glory, but it's all real quiet,
not embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And I think that was so cool about the book too,
is that we got because every chapter is a you know,
one of our things that for some reason people held
on to, like fuck polite and stay out of the forest,
and so like getting to write a chapter about what
that means to us was so cool because there are
a lot of them that yeah, we we don't even
know there are a thing, and tell someone else makes

(01:08:14):
art about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, the art that someone made for Live laugh. Learned
to Levitape. That was the first one. It was on
the Facebook page, Rip Steven. You did a lot of
hard work for that Facebook page, but that the person
who made it. It was this beautiful, very modern looking, you know,
very aesthetic Live Leaf learned to Levitape, where when I

(01:08:35):
first looked at it, I was like, what's this and
then it's like, oh my god, that's George's quote And
it made me laugh so hard because they did that,
like it's this goofy quote that makes no sense on
a thing that looks like it's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
You'd buy it home goods or something, yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And then it's like, oh my god, these people get it.
They get it, like down to the bump.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
They have a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
They're so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Yeah, they they're so it's talented. Yeah, like what a combination.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Even like stay Saved to God's Missions, I feel like
that became such a fun people like when whenever we'd
hear people telling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
That, yeah, we see that all like yeah, they'll like
it's like folklore almost, like what was the folklore that's
come out of this podcast? And it's like kind of
just we wouldn't know what it is, just talking about
it unless someone made a fucking shirt out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Yes, that's right. And also just because you can have
Christians involved in this podcast, you wouldn't think you could,
but you just s SDGM in a different way. You
stay saved and you do God's missions.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Do you remember the first time we saw Nick Terry
that was it was either I'm trying to remember it
was either cocaine bear or you know, Swiss cheese purple
in it right, like there's the Greenland shark like there
is I think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
It was a Swiss cheese pro it was cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
It was so funny, it was it was I was speechless.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I mean I still am every time I see one now,
I'm like, like, he makes me feel so funny when
I watch like he makes me like wow, I'm like,
I say, funny shit just because Nick Terry puts, you know,
hilarious animation to whatever dumb stuff we say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
We really lucked out with Nick Terry and his ability
and willingness basically to do this with us, and he
has done it for so long now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
If you haven't seen it, you guys, go look up
MFM animated.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
It is just joyful it's joyful.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Yeah, I feel like he captures though, even though again
they weren't video podcasts at that time, like the one
learning about the snakes in the walls and you care
like that's what you were doing on the couch like somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
So like even Vince's beard colors are so spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I definitely want to get a tattoo of Vince as
Nick Terry's MFM animated how crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Couples tattoos of each other all the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Way down your ribs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
I got Elvis MFM animated Elvis.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Also just the random story but of the girl that
was going into the candy shop who ends up going
like this is like the way he did it. Yeah,
you just have to see it. It's just magical and
so fun because being a stand up comic from the nineties,
I was raised to at least act like I hated
everything I did and judge it and you couldn't ever

(01:11:15):
be braggy. That was the worst thing in the world.
And just being like this, it's like Nick Terry did it.
I didn't do it. So I just like, watch this.
It's so good, but it's it's really not really you,
So it's okay. Yeah, exactly he did it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
I mean you brought up Elvis, but I mean MFM
Pets number two, MFM Pets. I mean it's a real menagerie.
I mean you both have the years, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
It's so crazy that that is a part of the podcast,
you know, like Elvis meeling at the end of the
episodes that was like a couple episodes in even Yeah,
it's just kind of an accidental thing because we needed
a funny button at the end of a depressing thing.
So and I feel like it's kind of a thing
now to have your pet as part of the podcast. Yeah,
but we were just I just have always loved hearing

(01:11:58):
him now, and I was like, let's send on this
thing that makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
But then yeah, then all are pets now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Like I have so much fan art of my animals,
and like it brings me so much fucking joy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
We have had so many beautiful renderings of our animals
or hilarious renderings. I just remembered there was one I
wanted to get a picture of and I didn't, which
is Frankin Blossom. Currently. Oh my god, that the two
bottom ones I have on my shelves in the front room.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I have this on my wall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I mean gorgeous. That's like there's people that would pay
a thousand dollars for that and you just had someone
bring them to us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
It's the look of like like that is what we mean,
that's the face she makes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
It's not just like a cat, a Calico cat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
That literally is me, me all mad and george yeah,
rip yeah, I know. It's so crazy. And also then
to have this gorgeous artwork of a dog that like
that's the thing about pets specially, it's special and it's
short term. And to have something like that in cartoon version,

(01:13:01):
like in all these versions and people being like, here,
this matters to you, and this is the thing I
can do, like.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Oh yeah, these are like dolls almost.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
This is from Mighty Pigeon, who is like an early art.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Sixteen, very early, like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Just ringing it so hard. Yeah, those were I mean,
I would get that tattooed if I were a tattooed person.
There was one I'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I said once that Elvis's had smelled like a library book,
and so I loved the smell of his head, which
now I look back and it's like probably just cat
litter smell. But someone drew a picture of Elvis of
Elvis with it. Oh oh, this one is gorgeous. This
is actually huge and it's all made out of like
paper mache.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Those are all pieces of paper. Wow, like a magazine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
That's incredible. We'll put all of these names on social
media so that everyone gets there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Ye on social media. That is up. Like when you
walk in my front door, that is front and center.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Gorgeous art. That's the other thing. It's like, it is
this gorgeous art work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
I didn't think I'd ever be able to have so
much art on my walls and it's all like it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
When we were like, oh yeah, we should show all
of the artwork that we have at home, I was
thinking in my head it was like, oh those two
like illustrations of them, and there's like two more. There's
like eleven. I have so much of it around my house. Yeah,
it's really good. Wait are there more? Can we look
at more?

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Oh? God?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And what does it say?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Can you read these? I love you now? Fuck off?
That is like what so much?

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Tu?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
It really looks like that's coming up next George and Frank.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
I would watch that so good anymore? Oh, This is
from Scarlett River. She is so toir.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I also have a plate that she like, a Victorian
plate that she wrote politeness on in my bathroom, of
all places. But this picture of Dottie that she painted
is hute. It I just stare.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
At it sometimes. It makes me so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
It's so good. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
And then that's a pillow of Dotty that someone gave me.
And this adorable drawing of somehow Dottie is like super
photogenic for art, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Yeah, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
It's really good. This series. This is the one that's
all my dad's refrigerator and it looks like Frank smoking
a cigar and it's such such beautiful. I think it's
water color.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
It's incredible. I love it, like watercolor is the hardest. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Wow, look at them all together. No, I think they
get along.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Here in the Alive, is there one of blossom and
mo just so we can make sure that the new
ones get get a shout out too?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I know I don't have one of blossoms because I
forgot to take the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Is there one? Though?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
It's a blossom and Frank here? And then George is
in the middle wearing a halo stop and it's like
and they have really funny eyes that are very accurate,
like Blossom's eye looks like she's panicking, and then Frank's
kind of like eye roll.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Do you think it also made people want to share
pet stories because I feel like that was so fun
and I think you know, between the most heartbreaking and
harrowing tales in the hometowns, we'd get pet hero stories, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
And then you got a lot of Penny Lane art, right,
Penny Lane, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
I mean they're all hanging out having Martini.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Something that's right, George just trying to eat Penny Lane
as she's not a friendly dogs, not a nice dog.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
I think we're at number one, Oh my god. I
mean obviously the Murderinos number one. The community, come.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
On, come on, yeah, Like that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
It's we would not be anywhere without the people that listen,
not only listen to this podcast, but cared enough to
send us that stuff. Be on that Facebook page every
single morning posting memes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I mean the live shows I have people have asked
me like, do you get weird experiences with weird fans
or whatever, and I'm like, knock, on wood should maybe
shouldn't be saying it. I have never fucking not felt
awesome after meeting a person who comes up to me
in public. It's never been anything but fucking cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Do you ever experience this where somebody says hi, and
you're like, do I know you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
I know the look? Now do you know the look
a little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
But I have to say this, this was really embarrassing.
Over Christmas break, I went into a store and it
was freezing cold as it's been so in some other store.
I bought like a stocking cap and put it on,
folded it up because I was I was freezing. And
then I went into the next door and I was like, oh,
I think I think they listen to the podcast am

(01:17:45):
talking and talking and then whatever. And then I go
home and I go into the bathroom and my stocking
cap was standing up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Like it was in the cat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yes, it was the tallest hat. So it was like
I walked into the store like, hey, can I get it?
Was the it was raised delie. I was ordering a
sandwich and I was like, Oh, this person knows whay
im And it's like, no, they don't. Just the tallest
stocking hat like a turkey sandwich on it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Whatever I mean, I can tell though, Like, yeah, well
I was gonna say I like the experience and I
feel like the relationship you've built with people when you
were both right like on a flight, like waiting to
leave somewhere and some people took a selfie and like
with you behind and you took a selfie back, Like
just say to people at ease all the time, like

(01:18:33):
we like the same stuff, We're passionate about the same things.
Let's just like gab about back for five minutes. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
When this stops happening, that's the problem. When people are
like I'm so starting to bother you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I'm like, you're not fucking bothering me. Like I have
I'm here because of you. I have what I have
because of you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
It's just yeah, yeah, we're It's not like we were
two young actresses on a hit sitcom or something like that.
It's like we first of all, you know, worked for
years trying to get to a place like this, both
of us, and then got it. And then I think
very much kept each other aware of what we had

(01:19:12):
and how lucky we were to have it, and like
I think that piece, you know, I'm grateful to you
for keeping the gratitude kind of like front and center,
because that piece of it really is like if you
just start believing that this is we somehow figured out
something that's crazy because it came as surprisingly and as

(01:19:34):
kind of like a wave. It's just it wasn't our doing,
or we were doing this thing over here. And they
showed up, assembled themselves, started doing subgroups. Oh we're murderinos
that also have really bad allergies or whatever the fuck,
and people basically organize themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Meet up later after shows. Now are friends for life.
People are best friends because after meeting after shows, right and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
They say, like in the car, and it's like, I
feel like we all accomplished this together. And it totally
does feel like that, like we all we're all a
little like ten years because it's four it's all of ours.
It's not, yeah, we're not actresses. We didn't get casts
to do this. And then people come up to us
and they say, I feel like I know you, and
I'm always like you fucking do because we've told you

(01:20:19):
literally everything about ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Like there's nothing worse than telling a story. I told
Alison and Nicole a story today and as I was
telling it, I was like, but you both know that
because I've told this on the show before. It's like,
I literally have about seventeen stories and I've told them
all on this goddamn podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
You know what gives me away every time having a
really tall husband, people see him and go oh, and
then they're like, like, I get noticed because I have
a really tall husband with a you know, distinctive beard
and everything, Like I saw VI and then I saw you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
When you're you're with it, I'm like, I know, yeah,
but yeah, it's and you can see the face. There's
a face they make this face.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
And then because it's podcasting, so it's not like they
recognize you immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Right, and then you go h You know, there's been
half as many times as someone comes up to me,
I've said to them like, hi, you know, I've initiated
it because I can tell or they have.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
A shirt on my favorite murder shirt on or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
And because you don't wear tall hats, so you know,
you know for a fact that's what the face is. Right,
I'll doubt it for the rest of my life.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Oh my gosh, I'm trying to think there's anything else.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Stephen, what's your favorite memory? Do you have a favorite memory?

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
I don't know. I mean I think just having a
space where I feel like being trusted so much. I
mean the idea that we it was the three of us,
and it was like you let me edit this show
and then put it out without anyone else looking at it.

(01:21:48):
It was like a lot of trust. Like I'm really
grateful for that. I feel like it really. I mean again,
I feel like I've learned so much from the both
of you, and like that stuff that sticks with me
even now, Like that's a confidence was say, by the way, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Going to take Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
It is funny you and what we were saying before
you got here, like you did actually experience all of
this the craziness in the beginning with us. It's like
you us, and you and Vins are the only people
who were like going what the all of us were like,
what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
It's a very like small little special group that will
never you know, no one will ever be able to understnion.
We'll put the uptos edit that out please right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
I love you, guys, ask me back about you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, thank you so much. You really you gave it
your all and then some and will always be so
grateful for the job you did for us.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
And now I go back into my slumber for another
seventeen years. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Jeez. See Ray Morris, what a special moment that was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
That was really like old home week.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
And also him being here made me remember things that
I haven't thought.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Of in so long, and he remembered way more than
I did, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, he had a different point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, yeah, so awesome. Should we do our last segment?
We were going to do something called then and Now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
So basically because it's been ten years and people have
been doing this in the emails that they've been sending
us for hometowns and stuff, where basically we've been talking
about how it's been ten years and like what's changed.
So we asked people to send in basically what their
life has been like these past ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Yeah, where were you then when you started listening? And
where are you now?

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Go first?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Sure, this is from Calpi on Instagram. Then Single, struggling, Static,
now blossoming, living.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
And married to the man I met at fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Ooh, I know that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
That's sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
This one's from Elasta Mom four one seven and it
says I was in cancer treatment when I found you
in twenty sixteen. Now I'm ten years cancer free.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Oh god, oh my god. Yeah, wow, that's fucking incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
That must have been so fucking scary. And it's like
to be able to report that news. I hope that
felt great. Elasta Mom God.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Marissa Rebas says I was twenty one getting out of
a toxic relationship. Now I'm twenty seven, married and a professor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Oh my god, you became a professor in the time
you were like to us. No, I was a professor
the whole time. Oh right, no, just kidding. Just let's say.
This one's from Anne mw MSN and it says I
was a polite forty year old. Then now I'm a
fifty year old who regularly fox politeness.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yes, great, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Zella Kel says d one listener one listenery that says
grad school forensic scientists for military biologist at CDC. Now, whoa,
we have a friend at the CDC inside at the CDCY.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Hell.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yes, this is from Kirsty JC five, and it says
I was starting a new scary, male dominated work industry.
Now I'm thriving in the industry. Yeah, hell yes, Oh
rodeo clown.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Do we have any rodeo clowns that listen?

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Please write in, Please write in if you do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
S rapper Kins something says i was sixteen years old,
just starting community college. Now I'm twenty six year old
professional ASL interpreter.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Whoa we have smart listeners?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah we do. This is from bird dot SOF and
it says in twenty sixteen, I was a sophomore in
high school. Now I teach sophomores. Oh my god, what
a turn. Let's circle always in sophomore year though nightmare
maybe the worst arguably actually well, you know, hopefully be
nice to those sophomore Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
This is from Carolyn Marie s. She says skinny dipping
in my college apartments pool versus drinking wine while hiding
from my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
This one is Christina Kaye, I think, and it says
in a cult versus not in a cult? What a change?

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Were you in a cult at any point? Listening to
this podcast? Right to us at my favorite Murder at
Gmail we need to know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Please tell us everything. We'll do a crossover with trust me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
My last one could have been written by me. It's
by we Amy and it says then normal now perry
menopausele as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Yes, same.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
My last one is Brandon Narski and it says single, broke, unhappy.
Now I'm still broke, not as unhappy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Lol. Oh good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
We're not looking for huge changes, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Just to do jack shit in ten years.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
We just yeah and survive with us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, and you know, just basically listen to our tagline
and try to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
That's true. We have our own ven and now our
ven and now is that? Then we were two gals
in an unconditioned apartment, unair conditioned or with unconditioned hair,
with unconditional love in our hearts and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
No makeup, don't care about what I'm wearing or a
lot of house dresses.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Oh my god, there's the picture there. We are that
is truly what it looked like and felt like to
record literally at Georgia's apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I think that the thing behind me that looks like
a big machinery thing is a portable air conditioner that
I tried to get to work, but I had a
slide and glass door, so it wouldn't work, and it
was too loud to use during the fucking recording anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
So you just put your short shorts on and you said,
let's do this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I used to be able to record in house closed,
and I do I do miss that. Just a lot
of ass and a lot of feet going on, and
a lot of cheekbone from Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
That's right. I wasn't afraid to suck my cheeks in
and take a selfie every once in a while. So
that was us. Then now we're here, and the exciting
thing is we're on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
We're on fucking Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
This podcast as a video podcast is going to be
on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Now, exclusively on Netflix. It happened really fast, so I
didn't really have like a lot of time to absorb it.
And I was like, oh, we're just our videos moving
to Netflix. Nothing is really changing that much. But the
amount of people I got that like I know, that
reached out that were like Netflix congress, like and this
is just like, oh, we're just moving to Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
We've been people. It's like a Netflix. It's the only
thing my dad watches. It's a very big deal. He
might actually pay attention to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
From how on, my stepdad sent me a photo of
the graphic us on Netflix, so she's never done.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I didn't even know he knew how to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
So we're not going to be changing at all. Audience, No,
that was a joke. Being on camera for Netflik, I
just flashed my tis. Well, we're very happy to be here,
and thank you to our listeners for getting us here
and for being with us while we got here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Now, we couldn't have done it without you. We appreciate
you guys so fucking much. So do us a favor
and stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Goodbye, Elvis, Do you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
This has been an exactly right production.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer
is Tessa Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Our editor is Aristotle ass Vedo.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
This episode was mixed by Leona Scuolacci.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Our researchers are Mary mclatchan and Ali Elkin.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot.

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