Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 102: Decompressions - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the show where we unpack our old episodes
from our twenty eighteen Suitcase plus case updates.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Today we're rewinding the episode one oh two, which we
named Decompressions.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
This episode originally came out on January fourth, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
All right, let's get into it. The intro of episode
one oh two.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hi, Hi, and welcome to Do you know what our
favorite murder is? I just ran up the new name
of a podcast? Do you know what? I was saying? No?
Do you need a rhyme? We can start? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Sorry, I was going to say how it feels like
it's been a while?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's been? Oh no, sorry, that's quite a vacation. My
favorite murder Jesus Christ. Like, I haven't done that one
in a while either. I felt like I've been I
only have one podcast now, so if I had gotten
it wrong, I would have been a that would have
been really hurtful. Yeah. How is it just having your
own podcast? I feel so free? What's your next podcast

(01:26):
going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I'm just going to do something with more homework, even
I'm just going to do something where all all I
do is homework.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's a good idea. Just quiet pencil, pencil on paper, sound,
just constant work working like more of an a SMR. Yeah.
I don't ever think I'm saying that right, but but.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I have to actually do the work, so I have
even less time to do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Good idea, you should you just go into some like math,
like long division, Like where would you leave off in math?
Would you like to get back to in math?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean I don't even know the basics.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Addition, I can do that you could do some basic Yeah. Yeah.
I saw a really cool video about how and from
what I remember, it said, people, I think in Japan
do multiplication of long numbers. Yeah, and it was like
it looked like they were making a tic tac toe box?
Did you see that video? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
And what drives me crazy about it is that it's
that thing of like people learn in different ways. We
don't all have this one way of learning. I'm sorry,
I'm mad at the public school.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
System because they haven't adapted to anything modern.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Because I didn't get it, and so then I was
stupid Instead of like that, maybe I just needed to
learn in a different way.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right, like how to either a a better teacher, be
a better approach, right or better? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think nowadays they have a lot more what's the
word Montessori?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Shit? No, and I went to Montosori. I did too.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
My god, it didn't work for you? I mean work
in what way?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I learned how to?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I learned how to wash my feet at the washing
feet station? Well, it's a washing feed station.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Were you of the old West?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I just remember it, like there's like the chalk's chalk
station and this station met and then there was like
a bucket and you could go outside and lost your feet.
That is so weird now that I'm talking about it.
I didn't need to talk to my sister about this.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Were you this is an irvine? Yeah? Did you have goats? Now?
Were there any Was there any reason I have a
bucket besides children's dirty feet? No? Was your teacher germophobe? Probably?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I think she must have had an issue with dirty
children's feet?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Why were your shoes off?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know school Again, I'm figuring out right now
that this is weird, and I want to text my
sister to make sure I have this memory correct.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm calling Janet.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Call Janet and ask her right now, I told you
how I was supposed to go to therapy with my mom? Yeah,
did I tell you that I gave her the wrong
day and she showed up like two days early.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Was she pissed? No, it was fine. We ended up
making up anyways. Well that's good. Yeah, I mean that's
what counts. Do you think that subconsciously you may have
done that so you didn't have to do it? Definitely? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Don't you think that's usually why I do stuff like that?
And now it's so over to me that I might

(04:20):
as well just be like, I'm not going to be there. Probably, Hey,
let's me. I've done it to you a thousand times.
But that's not normally, that's not I don't want to
be there. I don't talk my way out of this.
But normally that's just I can't get that fucking calendar
on my phone to do the right thing. I can't
never do it. Yeah, it's a tricky little fucker. It

(04:44):
goes backwards in time. Have I talked about this? It
makes me crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You had a recommendation, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh you know, we got Stephen. Stephen pulled this the
email for h uh in Louis In reference to Visa
V episode one hundred. Hey y'all includes everyone in their
goddamn animals. First off, love the show. I've been listening
since after episode three. Went to the live show on

(05:13):
Austin used to play poker with David Temple for two years.
This is after he allegedly murdered his wife. Yep. Wow.
I'm also obsessed with the yogurt shot murders anyway, So
that's not even about what this is about. Okay, Karen
said an asteroid came three miles from Oh no, you
just say no more. I just don't even say anything else.

(05:36):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
As you say that, I'm like, that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, three mile. Here's the thing, and some people get
very pizzed off about this. We just fucking say what
say shit, We just say whatever and then clean up
the mess after. Some people are very bothered by that.
But man, that's funny. How far up is like the ozone?
I don't know, it's probably more than three miles.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
And as you said it on the podcast, then I
was like, okay, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
And then the minute that came out of your mouth,
I was.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Like, no, just now, but not I don't question you
until someone else questions you that that's.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
My whole act is. It's just very believable bullshit taking.
And who am I to question? I mean, who are
you of all people to question me? The queen of Spain? Okay,
I don't even know math three miles you and your
dirty bucket feet? Never question me? Okay, okay, no, go ahead,
shoot this day. I can't go barefoot. No, I have

(06:35):
a barefoot issue. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
What did fucking village Montessori do to me?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
What did they do to your feet? Who was on
the bottom of that bucket? Who hurt my feet? Rub
in your feet? Ew? Sorry? Back to the asteroid okay, anyway,
Karen said, an asteroid came three miles from hitting the earth,
but sorry, asterix pushes up nerd glasses. But it was
a three mile wide asteroid that came six point four

(07:02):
million miles close. I think that sounds more right. I'm
gonna go with her whatever she said. Does that sound better?
I'm on her side. Quite Oh, you're being sexist by
assuming it's a female scientist and being pro sexist. That's right. Finally,
proactive sexism quite a bit of a difference, but I
get it. Live your sexy life like an asteroid is

(07:24):
about to straight up murder assault. This would be great
for corrections corner. You're so racket about that. All the
best and lots of love. Brian, that's rad Brian, Brian
the girl now he has He also has a second
name in the middle. That's also a boy's name. Okay,

(07:44):
so I can confirm Brian as a boy.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well I don't. I am not sexist. So I thought
it was a woman.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I thought it was my daughter. That is so goddamn funny.
That is great, It felt right. Yeah, is he man's
planning asteroids to us though? Well, it clearly we need it.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
He's explaining, I'm sorry, he's meant to say explaining.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
He's plain explaining it, to explain it postph e'splaining, straight
up explaining. That's my new podcast where people explain shit
to me. Oh that's good, straight up. You just introduce it, Yeah,
get the idea going, and then just let other people
talk about the facts. Hey, explain this to me. I
have never realized how consistently wrong I can be up

(08:29):
until this point. It's a real humbling experience through the podcast. Yeah, yeah,
but I wonder do you in your daily life. Now,
do you question yourself? Oh every moment as you're hypothesizing boldly,
But I don't. I mean, like, usually, if somebody stands
around goes no, actually that's not true, I'll go, oh, okay,

(08:51):
because at this point I can't really argue it. Yeah,
It's happened so many times, and I'll be like, oh,
all right, you know you don't go are you sure? Oh?
Sometimes I'll do that, But and sometimes I can see
it in my mind's eye of like I can see
the headline in my head it says three miles away.
But that's also my add from being on Twitter too

(09:14):
much and reading articles. I just read four words in
the headline of an article, Karen, I can't do Twitter
anymore because it's just killing it is it driving you crazy?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's awful now, it's really I just can't do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's making me really depressed. It's very depressing. My problem
is it's where all my friends are. Many many of
my friends that I talk to the most are there,
as tragic as that is to.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Say out loud, So maybe you just can have conversations,
but I just like read shit.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, yeah, it's I don't I try not to read
that much, Okay, and when I do, I do it inaccurately. Okay. Yeah, well,
I mean listen if it's working for you. Look, I
like it can listen if it's working for you. No,
but I will say this for resolutions. I don't know
if you're comfortable doing some resolutions right now. I did it.
But as we say this, because part of why I

(10:06):
think that was just so funny to me is because
I haven't really talked to another person in like three
days except for textees. I've just been sitting on my
couch watching British people solve crime for like seventy two
straight hours, and I have to stop doing go bless you.
I have to. I have toriving you crazy. Yeah, I'm

(10:28):
I have to leave my house. I have to give
the world a try, like I have to do things.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You've already done that, yes or no? True, it's been bad.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Failed you. You've been sick, yes or no? Yes, very sick.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
See you just went like two weeks with family members
constantly and friends.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's right, you're having a decompression. Okay, thank you, thank
you for walking me out of that darkness. Yeah. But
you know what, My decompressions go on too long. Yeah,
and then yeah, and then I'm just in the weirdest
and just too weird of a place. But I would
also say that I've been on a six year decompression
but needs to wrap itself up relatively quickly. Can we

(11:14):
start on Friday?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Can we say Friday? Write that down in your how
about Friday eleven? And then we have that phone call
etleven thirty right? Perfect?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
And then you have to I actually had to hire
or like have my old life coach come back, yeah,
because I was fucking up hard like that. Yeah. And
one of the things we talked about was just put
some makeup on on leave the fucking house.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
There was one time I called you when you were
in a cafe, and in my mind, I was like, Wow,
she's got it all. It's like a dream come true.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Changes everything when you have to I never thought of it, dude,
you it changes my fucking entire daycause then you, oh
my god, like today. I've left the house once in
the past, since Your's Eve, since NAAR's Day, and it
was to eat oysters last night. And I don't think
I've been around anyone but Vince. Yeah, he's basically the

(12:09):
same person as me at this point.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You guys are very similar, so we're like the same
per you know, your real team.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's like being alone a little bit. Yeah, I can
see that. So we just talk about cats, our cats,
and pointing out things our cats are doing. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
But you're also very funny. I mean I've been the
you know me. He we together. Thank you. You're real
witty to get. I really enjoy how you guys talk
to each other so much. It's really delightful and fun.
Thank you. You're fun to travel with. Thank you, so
are you? Yeah? Thanks? Yeah, that's nice. Goodbye, one more email.

(12:46):
This is just fun times. I can't believe twenty seventeen
is over. I know, I mean it's done. I know
it's a brand new year. Friend, I know, let's do it.
Let's absolutely do it. I mean, we have no choice.
I don't know. I really believe in myself to a
really fucked up degree. Well, no, your you, you have

(13:08):
a lot of choices, especially with this new podcast coming out,
because the direction first of all, just doubling up on podcasts.
It's gonna be great for you. Yeah, and then just
the directions you're gonna take it in. Yeah, it's just explaining.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm gonna learn and forget so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Information is gonna be coming at me.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I can't wait for you to not absorb any of it.
This is an email from Kaylee. It says, Hi, gals,
my name is Kaylee Carter, and I play Sadie Rose
in Godless. Oh fuck y'all. It was to my shock
and delight that I turned on the podcast to hear
our show as a source of delight to you. Oh
my god, and when your podcast is one of my

(13:49):
deep obsessions, Oh my god, along with true crime and
well anything murder related. It's so badass and inspiring to
hear ladies getting together to create. And what you've created
is so unfiltered. No, what are you fucking talking about?
Are you talking about? Oh? Sorry, sleep that, Kaylee? Sorry? Uh,
what you've created is so unfiltered, badass and empathetic. Just

(14:12):
wanted to let you know that the ladies of LaBelle
lost it on our communal text chain about you guys. Good.
I'm Kaylee Carter. Okay, sorry that was very self serving,
but oh my god, Stephen, that's a good email to
pull Yes, because I've been talking about this year NonStop.
Everyone's talking about I really loved it so much, really
really thought it was a beautiful piece of writing and work.

(14:34):
So good. Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Thanks Kaylee, Thanks Kally, Hi to that text chain for us.
Can I okay? So I've been having really bad insomnia lately. Yeah,
as I do and can can I do a podcast corner?
Do podcast recommendation corner? So this chick has been keeping
me company. Wow, I can't sleep for like four hours
last night or three to seven. This was great in

(14:58):
my sleep phones. I highly I recommend them. This is
not an ad. They look like like a sweat band,
but they're like flat headphones in them.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
So uh she's this lovely, soothing voice and the topics
are really macab and weird. It's called The Strange and
Unusual Podcast. No, it's by Alison horrx h O R
O c k S, which sounds like a fucking carux.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It sounds like a spell.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
It sounds like exactly from Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, the horror CROC.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
There's ten episodes and they're like it's all macab and
like weird, you know, witchy old Gothic timy, you know
Catacombi stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's really good and true or is it stories? It's
true stories, true story. Let me throw those two together.
The one thing I didn't realize can be possible, it's
like it's true. It's almost like the strange.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, the mysteries abound, yes, but she like does
all the writing herself and tells you about It's really good.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Sweet Paul Rex. Everybody, if you don't listen to Mysteries
about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I got to so the Strange Unusual podcast. And it's
called that because from Beetlejuice when Lydia says, I am
myself a strange and unusual.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh thank you, Yes, I love it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, And she's just been kind of like keeping me
company the best.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. Well then if I'm to join you in this corner,
I will do my recommendation. The person that's been keeping
me company for my whole vacation, I can't remember. I
think I've seen like either a Ted talk or some
clip of him on British TV. But I in driving
knew that I wanted to get like do a deep

(16:35):
dive into something, yeah and actually maybe learn something. So
I looked up audio books by John Ronson, and he
is a British reporter and a podcaster. He does a
ton of stuff author, He's written a ton of books.
He wrote The Men Who Ster at Goats. He wrote
So You've been publicly shamed, which is all about the
social media thing. He's done all this stuff. So he

(16:57):
has a book, one of the ones I listened to.
It is called Lost at Sea, and it's just a
bunch of different stories and articles that he's written and
they they cover everything from people who disappear on cruise,
shis and basically the rash of that happening, the fuck
up uh huh.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
To remember anything else, just being lost at sea in general,
just being lost at sea.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Like you have to listen to it. And he has Okay,
my very favorite thing. And I laughed so hard when
I was listening to this. I was in my room
at my sister's house. I was laughing so hard. I
was crying and I couldn't breathe, and I was sick,
so I felt I thought I was going to die.
He interviewed the Insane clown Posse after the Magnets, how

(17:40):
did they work? Song? Miracles came? And it is one
of the funniest because he is a very straightforward, very
plain spoken, and very direct interviewer, and he then re
enacts the like the two guys in Insane Clown Posse
reacting to how shit they've gotten, like because they've been

(18:02):
called the worst band in history and still like really
terrible things and stuff. So he kind of went and
talked to them and it's the funniest thing I've ever
heard in my life. Oh my god, I'm listening and
he's just very like, he's so endearing and he's really
I don't know, he's just super brilliant and a really hilarious,
amazing writer. So anyway, John ronson tons of audiobooks, and

(18:24):
he also has a podcast called The Butterfly Effect that's
about like working in the porn industry right right, which
I started listening to it. It's a little bit I'm worried.
I'm worried. I don't I'm worried about having to hear
people that don't are doing well or something, Whereas I like,

(18:45):
if it's a story and someone's in the third person
talking about it, it's a different thing. It's kind of
like my nine one one call ye issue.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I get that well, really quickly one that I'm not
listening to, but I have listened to it and it's
hilarious and I just want to give it a shout
out because it's fucking incredible.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Is the true crime podcast Done Disappeared? Oh? I haven't
heard it. No, it's a parody true called Done Disappeared.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, it's about missing girl named Clara Pockets.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
It's hosted by John David Booter. And it's basically a
parody of Up and Vanished.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Wait, John David Booter is not a real person at all.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's like it's so it's like this beautifully narrative narrative podcast,
like someone knows something, let's say right, and it's done
really well and you hear the crunching of the gravel
and then he talks about these things at releasers. But
it's all bullshit and it's all fake, and it's like
kind of corny and just amazing, so silly.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's so silly, and I it made me really happy.
Oh that's great. Yeah, that's awesome. Done Disappeared. I mean
that's so funny. It's like it is so popular these
days that like you can it's like the American Vandal. Yeah,
actually you know it has been nominated for I think
a Writer's Guild Award. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, it's

(19:59):
just like.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
That where it's like, this is a really well done documentary.
It's just about an absurd thing that's not really it's
the same thing. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I love it.
I love it too, all right, I mean I wonder
who goes first.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I mean, whatever happened was in the past.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's twenty eighteen and it's episode one hundred and two,
which sucks. So it's not one hundred and one because
we put up a live Oh.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Live, that's right, because we're on akishall.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
But I know, but like, but that was one twenty
seventeen to two, right, yeah, yep, So we can do
whatever we want.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
We can do whatever we want. And the last one
technically that we recorded here we did together.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Right, So it's a real clean slate, clean slate blank.
Everything is everything from here to eternity.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
What if we make Steven pick one of us to
go first?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh, no, pressure's on.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
No, wait, what if we what if we make Steven No,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Let's I'm picking mustache hairs and we were mustache hair.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, you can throw the clown dog?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Are whoever slaps it away hard enough? Okay? Steven, who
goes first?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I don't know why that matters? Say number ten?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay? What day is your birthday? Eighth? What's your eleventh?
What does that mean? Mine's closer? So do you want
to go first? You want me to go? It's the
perfect system? Okay? How about.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I was gonna say, since you got it, then you
get a pick who goes first?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Ship, but really bring it on. Me wants this part
of the job. That's why we give it to you.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Okay, Well mine is long and gruesome.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
What's yours? It's I don't think it's that long. Okay,
Well go I can go first. Okay, yeah, okay, good job, Stephen. Stephen,
you've done it again and we are back. Did it
surprise you to learn that we actually came into contact
with someone from Godless? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
And you know what, I recently watched the movie that
she's in called Private Life with our other friend and
the biz other than Paul Giamatti.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh cool, private Life.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, and she's really good.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm that really darling. It's so funny to like listen
back to hear us talking about the podcast we're listening to,
because I feel like it's such a marker of time,
especially limited series, when you go back and listen to
like a certain thing, you're like, oh my god, I
remember being so into that or like living in that
world for whatever three weeks.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Or that's what my like falling asleep routine was. And
The Strange Unusual podcast is still going strong, and they've
got really like some great episodes recently about like ten
things in the Appalachian Woods that shouldn't be there, Like.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
What a great thing to fall asleep to.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
So good, but I have definitely had to turn them
off because they've been too scary to fall asleep too before.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, those ones are serious. Also, John Ronson he made
a podcast series called Things Fall Apart in twenty twenty one,
and it's about the modern culture war. I bet it's
a fascinating listen now in twenty twenty six. Oh my god,
for sure? Is it twenty twenty six already? It is? Yeah,
it's June. That's ridiculous. You're lying. I don't believe you.

(23:18):
I would never lie on a podcast only privately.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
The faux true crime podcast name Done Disappeared still cracks
me the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Done disappeared all.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
These years later, and it's so funny because like it
was so new that like it was okay, like we
were making fun of it.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
It's too big, everyone's got one.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
But it's like, oh, just you wait, it's gonna get
even sneap, just to wait.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Done this little trend twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, our stories are a couple of heavy hitters.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I didn't realize that we did these in the same episode.
It's very intense. Yeah, it's very intense.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I didn't either, because I still think about yours all
the time.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
So we're still going Georgia and I self, I think,
self researching and self produce. So there's no like, no
wiser global look at anything, no structure's eye. Yeah, but
I don't know. I think people like that. I just
think that's why we.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
End it on good things.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
We just don't do that anymore, right Well, And also
I think there's not that many of these insane serial
killers style horrible like these are some of the worst
of the worst. The Beast of Jersey is I think
the most one of the most disturbing serial killer stories there.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Is because a mask wearing a mask, right and like.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And a choker necklace of spikes and wristlets of spikes,
so no matter where you grab them to get them
away from you, you hurt yourself. It's just insane.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Also lived a totally normal public life. That's what's like.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
That couldn't it's a tiny village on the island, and
they couldn't figure out who it was.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Because it's got to be someone you know, if it's
you know, everyone on this island.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh my god, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, all right, let's hear karen story about the Beast
of Jersey.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Edward paynew mine and I had never heard this story before. Okay,
this is more of a story, more of a case,
more of a personality, because there's I don't think there's
an actual murder that they know of. This is the

(25:25):
Beast of Jersey. Have you ever heard of the Beast
of Jersey? No, Okay, gets fucking ready. I'm fucking ready,
okay and willing great. I excuse me, both of your
feet are in the budget. I'm gonna suck my pant
in a bucket. I get myself ready. Just we kick
off an episode with you having recovered memories, and we

(25:48):
just blaze right through it. We just keep on chatting.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, I'm clearly doing okay with.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You're just doing it. I'm just doing it okay. So
the Beast of Jersey, his name is Edward Paynew or
pay Now, I'm not sure. And this story I stumbled
upon it on a as we know, we love the
website Ranker and Ranker is in there with all those
serial killers and the serial killer fifteen most interesting things

(26:16):
about this and that and whatever, and so at the
at the bottom of one of those lists, they have
additional lists where it's like this this, all these links.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
It's like, thank you for my insomnia. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah. And it's all the fifteen horrible things about the
toy box killer. It's every terrible thing you could ever
look at. Love it. So on there I found the
Beast of Jersey, which I'm like, I assume New Jersey.
And when you look it up on YouTube, there is
a guy who who starts his videos start coming up
as the Beast of Jersey, but he is a weightlifter

(26:50):
in New Jersey. Oh, it's just like swoll and yoked
and all the other things you'd say himself. The Beast
of Jersey well, I mean I think it's like, you know,
that's the language of like he's in beast mode working out.
I didn't google it, He's google it. This one's from
the sixties and seventies. So he's like, I'm the right. Okay,

(27:13):
that's that's long enough ago. He didn't give a shit. Yeah,
he looks great in a tank top. He's doing good work.
Good for him. I respect it. Good for him. Twenty eighteen,
this is this year. That's right. I can feel it.
So guys, please go to Beast of Jersey YouTube channel
and just support him. Give him my thumbs up because
he can lift so much weight. Okay. I got the
timeline of these crimes, the details, all of it from

(27:37):
uh a blog that's called True Crime Enthusiast. I've used
her once before for one of my I can't remember
which one, but it was a case when we were
on the at a live show and she that True
Crime Enthusiast is also a podcast. But I found this
on her blog and it was the most information of

(27:57):
any I couldn't find any other websites besides our dear
old Wikipedia. Everything on YouTube is like one of those
three minute videos. That's someone that seems like someone in
high school made that. Like I then started watching one
and then it went off into some other thing where
this woman who was narrating was like Canadian and yelling

(28:19):
about how the government isn't gonna admit to anything, and
then it went crazy quite the afternoon. Listen, let's get back,
let's focus. Jersey is one of the Channel islands off
the northwest coast of France. Got it. I thought it
was in England. Well it's not new so it's not

(28:39):
a new Jersey. No, that's what I was hoping for.
It's original Jersey. Okay. So it's right by Normandy off
the coast out there. It's also by Guernsey Islands. They
have the best cows between Jersey and Guernsey. Amazing gorgeous cows. Okay, right, Stephen.
Stephen's crying, he loves this so much. Am I right?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Though I don't know anything about cows?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yes you do. I think the Guernseys are red and
the Jerseys are black and white. Are you think serious
right now? Yes?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Because you grew up in a town with a lot
of cows. Yes, that's why you know that. I didn't
know if they were just making up facts.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
About a town. No, No, Jersey and Guernsey cows are
like really high end.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Listen, explain something okay to me? Okay, what's it about cows?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh? Oh, just if you want a high quality cow,
you're going to need a small island off the coast
of France. I'll take it. That's where they're all from. Okay, okay. Uh.
On Google Maps, Jersey has a four point nine star
review out of forty three.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Why are you revealing fucking islands?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
This is me trying to scrape together information about Jersey
in a way that can inform me. I was like,
is it rich people? It seems like it's like it's
a very yeah, well to do people. They have a
lot of great agriculture, obviously award winning cows, really small
and although it is not a part of the United Kingdom,

(30:04):
English is the language that's the main language spoken there.
They use the Pound, They drive on the left, they
love soccer. The national anthem is God Save the Queen.
But they are an independent parliamentary democracy, so don't fucking
say that they're British because they're not. Okay, And in
twenty fourteen there were one hundred thousand people living there.

(30:25):
So that's it's not a big place, okay. But in
November of nineteen fifty seven, a reign of terror began
on this island. That is so fucking crazy, and it
went on for ten years. And so it starts like this,
A twenty nine year old nurse is waiting for a bus. Now,
when all this gets explained, it's all they break it

(30:48):
up by like counties and parishes and stuff. But since
it's all meaningless, I just figured we'll just do it.
It's all happening on an island that's I think forty
nine miles wide. It's a setting, yes, just picture. Uh
do you ever watch Father Brown? It's a wonderful British
no priest based crime procedural r No, but I have

(31:09):
an island in my mind. It's like I'm there.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's not tropical, no no, no, no no no, it's like
a yeah, that's so like a damp, dewey pastural yesco island,
that's it, Rocky cliffs, yes.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
All this, yes, okay, fog, fog and tons of bus stops, right,
so rural bus stops, rural bus stops. Okay, Okay, So
this woman's waiting, she's a twenty nine year old nurse
waiting for the bus. She's approached by a man who's
affecting an Irish accent, and he's wearing something on his face.
She can't see his face, and before she knows what's happening,

(31:43):
he hits her on the head. He puts a rope
around her neck, and he drags her into a nearby
field and rapes her. No, and even though she has
a bunch of stitches and she's severely injured, she survives.
A year later, in March, the exact same attack happens
a year later, this time the woman's twenty. She's walking
home from the bus stop, and again a man approaches her,

(32:06):
a rope is put around her neck, She's dragged into
a nearby field and raped. Four months later in July,
exact same crime. This time it's a thirty one year
old woman. She's walking home from the bus stop. Again,
rope around her neck, dragged into a field. Exact same thing.
And then again in August of nineteen fifty nine, but

(32:26):
this time it's a young girl. And then again in
November to a twenty eight year old woman. So it's
the exact same crime happening like relatively four months apart,
so all of the victims tell the police the same thing.
He put on this Irish accent. He was wearing a
mask of some kind or his face was covered in

(32:47):
some way. He's about five foot six and he smells musty.
So after this series of attacks he comes to be
referred to as the Beast of Jersey. But then in
nineteen sixty his moo changes and he starts attacking people
inside indoors in their homes, so it's valent Tyne's Day.

(33:08):
In nineteen sixty, a twelve year old boy wakes up
to see a man standing at the end of his bed.
He's climbed through the boy's window. He's wearing an old
rubber mask and a woman's wig. Oh god, and he's
holding a flashlight in the boy's face. He places a
rope around the boy's neck leads him outside into a
field where he's raped. So a month later, a woman

(33:31):
walking up to the bus stop meets a man who
drives by. Claims that he's a doctor, that he's on
his way to pick up his wife, and he offers
her a lift, and then she gets in the car
and she's like, oh, it's just this old guy and
doesn't think anything about it until she turns to see
that he is wearing an overcoat and a hat and gloves.

(33:56):
And as she's starting to put that together of how
weird that is, she also can't see his face. It's
like she can't make out his face because it's dark.
He's by the time she realizes what's going on, he's
driven to a secluded spot. He ties her hand behind
her head, beats her inside the car, then he drags
her out of the car into a field, rapes her.

(34:16):
Then he puts her back into the car and he
starts to drive again. She jumps out of the moving
car oh and starts screaming for help. So he bails
and he's not found. Damn. Okay, So this same month,
this one's super creepy. So it's a mother and daughter
in a remote cottage. Uh huh. The daughter's fourteen, so

(34:40):
it's twelve thirty at night. The mother is awoken by
the phone ringing downstairs, so she gets up and she
goes down to answer it. When she goes, she picks
up the phone. There's no one there. She hears a
click and then the phone she hears the dial town,
so she goes back upstairs and she goes to bed.
An hour later, she hears a noise downstairs, so she

(35:02):
goes and she goes out into the landing. Over the
top of the stairs, she flicks on the lights, having
picture in my head at some point she turned the
lights on. She walks downstairs and when she gets downstairs,
the lights cut out. Then she realizes someone is in
the living room, so she grabs the phone to call

(35:23):
the police. The phone line's been cut. Yeah, So suddenly
a man grabs her, demands money and threatens to kill her.
And as she's struggling with this man, her fourteen year
old daughter comes out onto the landing and the man
immediately releases the mother and runs to where the daughter is,

(35:45):
and so the woman runs out of the house to
go get help at the neighbors gets The neighbors runs
back and they find the daughter is alive, but she's
been raped. And this with the samem as all the
other victims. April of the same year, a fourteen year
old wakes up to find a man in a mask
watching her sleep. What the fuck? She starts screaming, and

(36:06):
then he takes the mask off. No. In July, an
eight year old boy is abducted from his home. He's
raped in a field and then he's led back but
the rope around his neck to his front doorstep. Then
they attack stop for the rest of the year. So
of course this is a tiny island of people, and

(36:27):
people are fucking shitting a brick.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because it's also definitely someone who lives there, so it
could be anyone.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Exactly right, They are interviewing every They immediately interview every
single man who has ever permitted a crime at all.
Like the police are just doing They have no idea
what to do, so they're doing anything they can. So
everything stops. So that's July. Everything stops for the rest

(36:53):
of the year. Then in February of nineteen sixty one
it starts again, and this time themo change again. Now
it's all young children. So by April of nineteen sixty one,
three children have been attacked and raped. So finally the
police call in Scotland Yard. Yeah, so Scotland Yard puts
together this profile of like the mo O and of

(37:16):
the attacks. Oh my god, lover, and they basically tell
the island, you guys have to start like self policing
and keeping your eyes open because you have to help
us catch him. Like as much as we can't be
everywhere and we have to we all have to do
something about this, So keep your eyes peeled. So he's
forty to forty five years old. He's five six or
somewhere around that height. He has a medium build, he

(37:38):
has a mustache. His face is usually covered by a
mask or a scarf during the attacks. He enters through
a bedroom window on a moonlit night sometime between ten
pm and three am, carries a flashlight. He knows the
island well, especially the eastern part, and he wears a
thigh lank jacket that smells musty, a hat and gloves.

(38:01):
So but he's still not found and there's no attacks
for two years, So there's that's another part of it,
is there. It's like a swell of these horrible crimes
and then it just stops. And I think there's probably
part of that human reaction is it's done, We're done,
We're done, and like, don't look around and don't keep
looking into this like it's over. Then, in April of

(38:25):
nineteen sixty three, a nine year old boy is attacked
with the exact samem o, and then in November of
the year, and eleven year old boy is attacked same
and then in July of nineteen sixty four a ten
year old girl, and then in August a sixteen year
old boy. Then nothing for two years, so even that
that overall pattern starts down a pack. And then in

(38:49):
nineteen sixty six the Jersey Police received this letter. My
dear sir, I think that it that it is just
the time to tell you that you are wasting your time,
as every time I have done what I always intended
to do. And remember it will not stop at this,
but I will be fair to you and give you
a chance. I have never had much out of this life,

(39:11):
but I intend to get everything I can now. I've
always wanted to do the perfect crime. I have done this,
but this time let the moonshine very bright in September,
because this time it must be perfect, not one, but two.
I am not a maniac by a long shot, but
I like to play with you people. You will hear
from me before September, and I will give you all

(39:34):
the clues just to see if you can catch me. Yours,
very sincerely, wait and see. Oh my god. So in
August nineteen sixty six, there's a savage attack on a
fifteen year old girl, but this time there's a new detail.
There are long parallel scratches down the torso of the victim.

(39:55):
And then that's the final attack for four years. Wow.
Then in August of ninenineteen seventy, a thirteen year old
boy wakes up to a flashlight shining in his eyes.
He's taken out of the house with the roper on
the neck. He's led to the field. He's raped, attacked,
led back to the house. This time the beast tells
the boy stay quiet because if you don't quote, something

(40:16):
will happen to your mother and father. So the parents
find the boy disheveled en and he tries to say
nothing's wrong, and finally he breaks and tells the parents everything.
And when he's taken to the hospital or inspected by police,
I'm not sure which one, but they basically on the boy,
they find the same long parallel scratches that they found

(40:38):
on the girl from nineteen sixty six, and the boy
tells police that the man had black, spiky hair and
a terrifying mask. On a year later, this is July tenth,
nineteen seventy one, two policemen are sitting in a traffic
light at a red light. It's eleven forty five at night,
and a car speeds past the runs the red light

(41:02):
and is driving radically, and so of course they throw
on their lights or however they do it in Jersey,
and they get into a high speed chase with this car,
and it's total Jason Bourne style, where on this blog
she was saying, the guy drove up on the sidewalk.

(41:23):
He was like doing everything he could to get away from.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
These cars this tiny fucking island.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, that's so crazy, driving everywhere. And basically finally he
drives through a hedge and into the middle of a
tomato field and like comes crash into a stop, gets out,
starts running through the tomato field. The cops get out,
chase them on foot, they tackle them, they arrest him,
they bring him to the police station, and finally when
they when they get into the light of the police station,

(41:50):
they see that he First of all, they notice in
the car with him how musty his coat smells. And
it strikes them immediately that it's like a just weird,
gross smell, which is what every single one of his
victims mention. It's crazy that it was that fucking bade
I were like that immediately. So then when they get
into the light of the police station, they see that

(42:13):
there are one inch nails hooking up out of the
shoulders of his coat and out of the the lapels
of his coat and around the cuffs of his coat.
So he is sewn in one inch nails to stick
out like punk rock styles stick out of his coat.
And then they see that he has cloth wristbands that
he has made tied around his wrists that also have

(42:36):
one inch nails sticking out due. So then they see
that his pants are tucked into his socks, he's wearing
slippers and wool gloves, and then they check his pockets.
So in there he's got a flashlight with black tape
over the light part with just a little slit so

(42:58):
only a tiny bit of light will come out of
that flashlight so no one will notice it. Yeah, so
he can basically control and direct the light when he's
breaking into houses. Right then they find two lengths of
what they call sash cord, which I think means like

(43:18):
curtain curtain cord on him. He's got empty cigarette packs,
rolls of duct tape, and a black wig with stiff,
spiky hair, and that's when they find the mask. Are
you ready to see the mask? There's your mask. I'm
gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Look at that. Oh my god,

(43:39):
let me see that. It is so fucked up. Okay,
So what that mask is is it looks like it
looks like Edward's scissor Hands if he were in a fire.
It's like Edgar Edward scissor Hands and Michael Myers had
a baby, and that baby was a fucking rapist, was

(44:01):
a horrifying monster, the scariest Okay. The mask is the
reason I read the article about him because it's the
scariest thing I've ever seen that's actually real. Because I
was like, I want to look this up and this
is going to be fake because that's so horrifying. You
wake up and that's standing at the end of your bed.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
No, it's so no, no, like no no.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
So that's in his coat pocket, that mask, that mask
is in his coat pocket, and the wig isn't so
the wig. He wore the wig and they're separate. So
the wig was in one pocket and that wig is hard,
like it's all stiff and hard. It looks like gross,
like gross dreadlocks. Yeah, and it almost looks he almost
looks like like Medusa. Yeah, like it looks like snakes

(44:49):
snake hair.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
What is that mask made out of because it looks
like it's made out of real human skin.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It is I think it is an old rubber mask.
So he was just it was like pre Halloween, this
mask of all time. Okay, so he sorry, I got
so excited to show you that picture I'd left the page.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Hafley thro Actually, I'm gonna turn this upside down because
it's so well, I don't want to stare at it.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's not cool at all. My god, that's terrifying poor people,
I know. So it turns out that this man the
Beast of Jersey is Edward Paynell. He's a forty six
year old contractor from a wealthy family. He has a
wife named Joan. He has a daughter and two step children.
He is well respected throughout the island and and he's

(45:34):
very kind of prominent. This is a there's a real
tad not type any John Wayne Gacy parallel, because he
and his wife first met when he worked as a
handyman at the foster home that her mother ran called
La Preference, and he would often visit to hand out

(45:56):
candy and during the holidays dressed up like Father Christmas.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
No no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
The children knew him as uncle Ted. Yes, of course
they did. Yeah, they of course. The police investigate. They
find out that Joan and Ted's marriage is not a
happy one, and that in fact they're basically man and
wife in name only. That he has built himself basically
an annex off of the house, so he has an
office and like living quarters and this whole thing that's

(46:23):
separate from the house so he can come and go
as he pleases. And his wife says, you know, he
keeps odd hours because he's a big fisherman and he
likes to go on long walks at night, so he's
you know, he keys up and out of the house
at all hours. And it's always been for years. God yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I wonder if she suspected him ever and just like
didn't ever want to say anything, or didn't couldn't accept it, or.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I mean, you would think with the marriage being so unhappy,
that he moves, you know, he built himself into part
of the house to live in, that something bad was happening.
But there's a video of Joan that I saw, because
there's an actual like old you know what looks like
BBC footage or whatever, and someone's interviewing her and she

(47:12):
just looks like, no, the man I know would never
hurt a child, and she's she seems like she means
what she says, of course, but then who knows, because
there were lots of abuse allegations at this foster home
and at others, So there's another part of this. But
basically all these abuse allegations at different foster homes on

(47:36):
the Isle Island of Jersey against him specifically, no, against
these people. It's super crazy. That's part of the black
hole I fell into, which is watching these videos from
other victims of who lived at these other like they
I think they call them home care, but it's basically

(47:59):
they're fo They're one is of this. One is obviously
a foster home, a big foster like an orphanage essentially,
But another one, the worst one, or from what the
stories I saw, was of course, it was a Catholic
you know, send your babies here if you're having them
out of wetlock, and we'll raise them for you because

(48:21):
you're not allowed to have children. Meanwhile, they beat the
living shit out of them and rape and molest them,
and all this horrible stuff is happening there. And they
have the real people who lived there talking about being
woken up in the middle of the night by the
people that work there and led down into these cellars.
And they actually it was so bad that the police
started investigating and they found shackles. They dug up these

(48:46):
cellars and found shackles along one wall, and they found
all these bones, children's bones there, Like it's crazy terrible.
It ended up leading to an investigation called Operation Rectangle,
and the it recorded a total of five hundred and
fifty three alleged offenses, with one hundred and fifty one

(49:10):
named offenders and one hundred and ninety two victims on
this island where in twenty fourteen one hundred thousand people live. Yeah,
so insanity, like something super fucked up was happening.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, Oh that's so dark and that like that like
top of the Lake. Yes, a thing where it's like,
oh you don't you don't know the secrets that go
on in these.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yes, and apparently that kind of like privacy and all that.
It's a real big deal there of course, and part
of the reason people live there. But then that breeds
this kind of like nobody talking about anything and nobody
knowing Adam, you.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Can kind of hide and play inside as like a
fucking creep.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
And the underrepresented and the marginalized that gets sent to
you know, some horrible home somewhere, you know, then it
suddenly becomes so anyway, basically they go to his house
with a you know, to look into his house, and

(50:11):
they find they oh she the quote that she said
was he's the most loving, caring man who had never
hurt a child. Joan joan joan. Okay. So when the
police questioned him about why he was driving so crazy,
he told them that he was on his way to
an orgy, and that's why he was dressed so oddly
because he didn't want anyone to recognize him on the

(50:31):
way to the orgy, because of course everyone would know
where he was going in his car. Then he explained
away the nails sticking out of his clothing that he
wanted to be prepared in case anyone attacked him with
martial arts. Told the police, I do that too, uh huh.
It's always going to be ready with a series of nails.
Nail jewelry. Yep. So when they searched the house, they

(50:55):
find a locked secret room inside his room. Oh my god,
he's already his own annex. Oh my god. Then he's
got a locked secret roote. Tell me what's well, guess
what it smells like? Must Yes, he loves Mustree that shell.
I mean, it's like one of the fucking clues. I mean,

(51:16):
apparently this whole room smelled like the jacket. And inside
the room they find an old blue track suit, they
find an old raincoat, homemade wigs, which for some reason
I find bone chilling, and false eyebrows, which is also
very creepy. Yeah. So he was clearly playing with his
parents constantly. So even if even if they said, oh,

(51:37):
I was also at that bus stop and I saw that, right,
but they whatever description they would give would never be accurate. Yeah,
which was his plan. And what they start to realize
is he he had these plans set in place for years. Yeah.
He Because they found a camera hanging on a hook,
and then they found photos of houses from around the Eyeland,

(52:00):
and eventually they got out of him that he would
choose his victims, sometimes years in advance. What he would
take a picture of the house. He would memorize the
map of the house. He knew exactly whose room was
whose and what window to go into, so he would
never he never accidentally went into some wrong window and
was in the parents room. He always knew which room

(52:22):
the children's room was, oh my god, and he knew
exactly when to go and when they were by themselves
or when everybody was asleep, like he planned it meticulously,
scary me like no other story we've done. A scared wit.
It's the fucking scariest thing of all. He is the
legit boogeyman, like crazy. And then basically the nails for

(52:44):
real were if somebody caught him, tried to grab his hand,
tried to grab his shoulder, he would get away, oh
my god, like he had all these things planned to
make sure he never got caught, and that's why it
happened for so long. They also found what they what
they called In and the blog I was reading, she

(53:06):
refers to it as black magic and things related to
black magic, but in another article I read they were
like a full on altar to Satan in his barn
behind a red velvet curtain, which none that was not
mentioned in anyway in this blog, which I kind of
I trust her, she's so thoroughly researched. Yeah, that's a

(53:27):
little David Lynch. It's a little where to get a
red curtain? And how come no one noticed a red
curtain in a barn? Ye, It's always possible, and it
would be very striking and effective for black magic uses.
Like I'm in the middle of a kip of a
field filled with gorgeous cows. I turn around, here's this

(53:47):
curtain out of nowhere. Okay, So anyway, all kinds of
satanic shit though in this room, so basically that I mean,
that's it. He goes to trial and on November twenty ninth,
nineteen seventy one, it took thirty eight minutes to declare
him guilty of all charges. He's sentenced to thirty years

(54:08):
in prison. That's it, and he gets out in twenty
what he was a model prisoner. He's paroled in nineteen
ninety one. Yes, he goes to prison in nineteen seventy one.
He gets out in nineteen ninety one, but he tries
to move back to Jersey. Oh hell no, and the
people are like, yeah, no way. So he ends up

(54:28):
moving to the Isle of Wight and he dies there
of a heart attack in nineteen ninety four. So I
think the Isle of Wight is from what I know.
I think one of my favorite bands is from the
Isle of Wight, and I think it's real sparse. Why
do you look that up? Really quick? Stephen think he's
already doing it.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
But oh my, twenty years.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Twenty years because it's all RPE and this was the
seventies when they were like, uh yeah, I wish that
would not like that anymore. I know, well it's getting
better though, certain like a serial rapist would not would
not get out of jail in twenty years. They don't
do that anymore. I mean, I know every case I'm

(55:11):
trying to. I've got to believe you and everything.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, good, okay, great, great, Gret, Great, thanks for telling me, Sharon.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Let's see, Okay, was I right about the Isle of Wight.
It's the Bees. I love that Chicken pay Back best
ever seeing me. He's just you just looked up the musicians. Wait,
but do we know anything about the here? Let me
just actually say.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Notable bands from.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh what whatever, it's the second it's the largest and
second most pop most populist Isle Island in England. So
I was totally wrong with the show there. Fine, Oh
my god, let's go to the Isle of Wight. Okay,
they have a really good music festival there. I believe that. Again,
that could be bullshit. I believe you know, I believe me.

(55:58):
Uh So anyway, then, oh, this is the final thing
in that operation Rectangle. The police and had to actually
announce that there was no firm evidence linking Paynel to
any of the abuse that took place at that Catholic
nun home. It was called the hot de la Grene

(56:19):
that I did not pronounce that right where really terrible
things happened. So they had to say there's there's no
you know, Beast of Jersey is not connected to this,
although he was a known to be a regular visitor there.
Oh what a coincidence. So basically they're just saying there's
no firm evidence. But he also came here all the time. Yeah,
and horrible things happened, and he liked the children here

(56:41):
to hang out at this place. Yeah, so horrible horrible,
Uh and freakishly like, how how did I never hear
of any of that? Yeah, well I have a similar one.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Oh, horrible, horrible freakish. How did I never hear about
this before it? Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have
any updates?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
There are no updates except for that in twenty seventeen,
there was a psychological thriller film called Beast, starring friend
of the show Jesse Buckley, Thank you and Johnny Flynn.
Oh but that's good. I bet it's really good. Right,
and now we get into let's just roll right into
more brutality. This is George's story about the Cleveland Torso Killer.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Okay, another list of horrible things that have happened. Yes,
this one, I've heard the name that I'd never heard of,
I'd never known what happened. Surprisingly, this is the mad
Butcher of Kingsbury Run, aka the Cleveland Torso Killer.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Gosh, God, damn it? Or you gonna do it for Cleveland?
I yes, but I knew it's such a good one
that has we neither of us have done for so
long that it's just been dangling out there. Yeah, well done.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
You, thank you. I swooped in. I apologized, got to
do it. But here I here I go, here you go.
Let me try to make do it, give a justice
and everything. So nineteen thirties. Cleveland. It's the sixth largest
city in America, but it's the most dangerous because of
they have a high rate of traffic accidents which sucks,
and rampant organized crime along with antiquated police force. One

(58:32):
of the high crime areas was on the south side
of the city, known as Kingsbury Run. It's a riverbed
like ravine located near the suburb of Shaker Heights, and
it's where the train.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Tracks run along.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So a lot of transients riding the rails in the
nineteen thirties would camp out there. And in the depression
era of nineteen thirties, it was this dark, dreary, dangerous
place and there was a lot of there was all
lot of blah blah blah. Let's see, it was like
a hobo camp at that point.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Basically, yes, so, and hobo is okay to say, I know,
right it is. Many people told us it stands for
home boy, which means like I'm on my way home boy, right,
like I'm on the train. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So it's a makeshift They call it a hobo jungle,
and it's just that it's just this crazy transient encampments
with made of boxes and you know, thrown together houses
and this sort of thing. And it's right next to
a place known as the Roaring Third, which is kind
of like this neighborhood that's home to bars and brothels, flophouses,

(59:40):
gambling places. It's like the fucking down and dirty area,
all grimy. And this is the setting where the most
notorious murder cases in Cleveland's history start to happen. Well,
in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys and this
is this is a lot of people still coming along along.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
A lot of body parts in this in this show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
So in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys playing
at the base of Jackass Hill and Kingsbury run.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yes. Yeah, how could you knock go to Jackass Hill
every day if you were like twelve? Yeah, I'm going. Yes,
where else will we play? Please? Okay? All right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So they discover the decapitated emasculated. Oh they call it
body of a white male. Oh shit, can you fucking imagine? Like,
is it worse to come upon a body or fucking
headless body?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Headless body? Yeah, you're right, that's been emasculated. Yeah, that's horrifying. Yeah,
So their lives are ruined. Because here's the thing. Can
I just say, yeah, if you come upon a body,
you don't know what happened, and a number of things
could have happened. Right, you come upon a headless, emasculated body,
you immediately know someone did that to that, someone like

(01:00:57):
headless and emasculated house. Someone did it intentionally. Jesus Christ,
it's the worst car accident of all time, which it isn't, Okay.
The body is naked except for a pair of socks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I know, I know, cleaned and drained of blood, and
the cause of death.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Is the decapitation, yeah, which is horrifying, but sorry, cleaned
and drained of blood like black Delia style. M oh oh. Wait.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
So the area is being searched by the police. They
get there, they're like probably talking those kids down from
freaking the fuck out. Oh my god, And around thirty
feet away, another male corpse is found. This body in
the same position and the head and genitals also had
been removed. The body appeared to be a forty year

(01:01:53):
old male, covered with a chemical preservative and appeared to
have been dead for at least a couple of weeks
before being dumped. After becoming to decayed, almost as if
someone had tried to preserve the body wherever he was
wasn't working.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Got rid of the body. Super creepy that we can
hear a train right fucking riding those rails. This scared me.
I know right, you can't hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Stephen the mad butcher Kingsbury Run is on that train
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
For aly No, wow, there hasn't been a train gone by.
He don't know. He is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Okay close to the bodies though they find both heads
as well as both sets of genitals. They had discarded
them as though they had just been thrown away. No
blood is found on the ground or on the bodies,
and so they had been cleaned somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
The younger man, the first body that was found, had
been dead for about three days, and his fingerprints were
able to lead him to who he was. He was
Edward andrecy. He's a twenty eight year old guy who
minor police record for carrying a concealed weapon. He lived
near Kingsbury Run. He was kind of or off and
humble dude. He had a reputation for being a drunk

(01:03:03):
and frequently getting into fights. And when I did the autopsy,
based on the cuts. The operation was done very skillfully,
and the investigators suspected that the killer might be a butcher,
a surgeon, or at least someone familiar with killing animals, which.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Iems like it's always the case.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Like I think, if you don't know what you're doing,
you don't try to start doing that or like you
get you kind of get like a you get like
a fetish for it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, I do you do it to like animals? Maybe
maybe if you're a certain certain, certain sort of psychopath. Right, Oh, sorry,
that was the the John Ronson book that I started
with audiobook was The Psychopath Test. Oh, it's the whole
reason that all started. And it's such a good book. Sorry,
Oh you're good. I should have said that before. But

(01:03:48):
it basically there's no difference, the relatively no difference between
a psychopath and a sociopath. It's all. He goes into
all of that. But anyway, it's relevant, it's very relevant.
But like that, you couldn't just a normal person if
you were going to kill somebody, even if you planned
it out, if you were, you would have to be
devoid of feeling to do all that stuff. Yeah, because

(01:04:10):
you yeah, you you'd have to be a certain mental type,
to be able to clean a body, drain it of blood,
cut it, cut pieces of it off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, like, the thought of so like, I'm a pretty
normal person and the thought of having to you just
you just nodded your head in the most sarcastic way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Was that involuntary? It was? It was silent? It was
was that involuntary, It was conversational. I appreciate it though,
because I don't want to be normal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I mean in that I'm not a psychopath. So the
thought of having to go from here to killing someone
is such a huge leap that the people who are
okay doing it must be must be fucking closer to
that already, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I don't think it's a I don't think it's
like a line in the sand. I think it is
a total is light on or off, because there's nothing
more like. And you watch him when you're watching a
movie and people like, ugh, what was a fucking oh
that movie, the Ewan McGregor movie he would made him
a star? Oh where they kill their roommates? No, no, no, no,

(01:05:19):
it was the one where they it was the three
roommates they decide to kill the fourth roommate or maybe
they don't kill him, but he's dead and they cut
up his body. And it basically having to watch people
who aren't like that have to do something that horrible.
Is I can'te any movie like that. Yeah, I mean
it's a good movie, but it's so stressful. Okay, because

(01:05:40):
then you just picture you would have to do. Did
you watch second season of Search Party? No? I haven't
watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So good, they're all just dealing with the I'm not
gonna spoil it, but they're dealing with the ramifications of
the first and uh, what's her name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Aliah Chakratt. She is so good. She's such a great actress.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
She's a great actors and this whole season of her
just having stress over what they did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It's amazing. It's really hard to watch. That's very stressful.
Oh it's shallow Grave Sorry, Okay, Okay, it's a good movie,
but so stressful in that way where just like to
they do it for money, but like you when you
entertain that idea, yeah, where you'd be like, what would
it take for you to cut up a human body? Yeah?

(01:06:22):
I just don't There isn't an amount of money. I
don't think so. For meither, I'd rather go to jail
because it would ptsdu into infinity totally, totally the older man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
The second body is impossible to identify, and that's a
fucking theme. Most of these bodies that are found are
never identified. They hope that would be easy to find
the killer because the guy who they could identify, Edward
was you know, had this trail through slazy bars and
gambling places, and he's known to be a procure of
young girls for prostitution and also admitted to have male levers.

(01:06:55):
So it's like, it's going to be one of these
people from this this area of he was a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Gay pimp in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Uh huh, yeah, he's from the Roaring Third. They're like,
it's going to be someone here in king Rn Kingsbury
Run easy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
But they follow lead after lead.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
And they can't find any really good suspects and it
leads the investigation leads nowhere, so the press starts calling him,
calling the killer the mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run, which
is like such a cool fucking name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
So a couple months later, on in January of nineteen
thirty six, a woman discovers two half busheled baskets left
alongside a manufacturing building in the city. Inside the baskets
and neatly wrapped in newspaper, she finds about half the
body of a female whoa. The rest of her body
is found about ten days later in a vacant lot nearby.

(01:07:45):
I mean, people are stumbling upon a nightmare after a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Also, if it was wrapped, it said it was wrapped
in newspaper, so she unwrapped it and be like, what's
in here? She's like, this could be a stack of money.
That's totally what I would be like. Look at this stained,
wet mud. I can't wait to unwrap it and spend it.
Fuck no, so fuck. Also, because it's like you're saying, depressionary,
she's like, this fucking food. Maybe this food I'm starving.

(01:08:11):
Let this be. How about some nice dishes?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
No, how about a nightmare for the rest of your life? God,
some nice dishes from the five and dime. Um Okay.
The cause of death again is decapitation. Fingerprints identified the
body as Florence Palilo or flow. She's this fucking like
flolow pllilo. She's this like salty fucking older woman. There's

(01:08:36):
like a good photo of her online. She's a waitress,
of barmaid and a sex worker. She clearly doesn't give
a fuck, carries a shank in her purse like obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
She's doing it. She's getting hurt, she's stacking that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Paper until she got decapitated. At the time of her death,
she lived right on the edge of the rowing third
and her head is never found.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
WHOA Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
In June and nineteen thirty six in Kingsbury Run, two
young boys are fucking out doing stuff and they find
the head of a white male wrapped in a pair
of trousers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
What hm fuck those poor kids.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Police found the body of the twenty some year old
man the next day, so they found the head. Then
they found the buy the next day, dumped in front
of a police building. WHOA cleaned and drained of blood.
Everything's intact except for the head again caused by decapitation,
which is like, we're going to really talk about it.
I don't want to. That's the fucking one of the
worst ways to die. He died of decapitation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Even fast, isn't it. Yeah, you got a hope? What
if it's like for twenty minutes. If you're alive in
your head, that's why worse.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
But that's why you want someone who's actually good at
who's like is a butcher or a surgeon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, you don't want someone hacking away your neck. No, no, no,
you want a nice guillotine style boom, make it quick.
What was that? I didn't feel anything, Lord Jesus, is
that you? Yeah, or whoever your lord might be. Yeah,
I'll take anyone at that point. Yeah, just give me
any Yeah. A plaster reproduction, This is crazy. A pilaster reproduction.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Of the man's head because I couldn't identify him, along
with diagrams of his tattooed are displayed so the public
can try to identify him. And it's this creepy like
plaster mask.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
It's so gross. So that's the one thing I do
remember about this. All the details are very fuzzy as
until you say them. But though I can see those masks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
There's a lot of them, and you actually can see
them in Cleveland. We should go when we at the
Cleveland Police Museum, they have a bunch of that. Yes
we're going, yes, yeah, two ticks you pull that out?
If I did that he's called the tattooed Man, and
he's never identified. So in July nineteen thirty six, while

(01:10:46):
walking through the woods near the West Side, a teenage
girl comes across the decapitated remains of a white male
in his forties. The victim had been dead about two months.
In his head as well as a pile of bloody
clothing was found nearby.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Who is doing this two months? That thing? Yeah? Did
she not from fifty paces? She had something? Smells terrible?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Probably back then everything smelled bad. Oh true, no, true, true, true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
This was back when you had to put deoduran on.
It was in a pot and you had to put
it on cream deodorant. I've ever seen that, knowing you
didn't probably shower a lot, right, Yeah, and you just
slapped on some cream deodoran. Yeah, no, griss my hand. No.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
So this time there's an enormous qualic quantity of blood.
So they're like, you must have been killed there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
In the forest. Yeah, in the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Then in September nineteen thirty six, so two months later,
a transient trips over the upper half of a man's
torso while trying to hop on a train in Kingsbury.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Run Oh, did he get on that train? No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I hope so he is trying to catch a train
and eat trips, and that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Insult injury.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Police send a diver into a nearby swimming hole like
sewer area and find the lower half of the torso
and parts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Of both of his legs. I hope that diver was
compensated handsomely, handsomely because also it's a swimming hole, so
it'd be all murky.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
It's really probably a gross place.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It's more feeling around than diving with your eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, Okay, this victim, who's the number six victim, is
into the late twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Cause of death decapitation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Corner notes that the head had been cut off with
one bold, clean stroke, which indicated strong competent killer, very
familiar with the human anatomy, and that the victim died instantly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Thank god identifications never made because you know, this is
the time back then where it's all these transients trying
to get jobs. They're they're riding the rails from city
to city, trying to not be in the cold, freezing
cold winter, trying to make a little bit of money
anywhere they can. So it's just this huge transient population.
So these and it seems like the killer, you know,

(01:12:58):
use that to his advantage because if they can't identify
the victims, they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Track who they spoke to, who they were, who they
were friends with. Yeah, clearly it was a decision that
was being made exactly who to pick exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
So plaster casts again are made, and some with actual
hair from the victims.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
No, and the plaster.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Cast not necessary, No, we get it. Brown hair, Yeah,
just a card. So this makes six brutal killings in
one year, and the police had no clues or suspects.
The press reported almost daily on this. Everyone's freaking the
fuck out. The officials are super desperate and embarrassed, and

(01:13:42):
everyone's like, what is crappening? Everyone's like, watch where you walk,
don't walk anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Tripping over bodies has become a big thing. Yeah, it's
the new.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
It's all the rage around this time, around the time
that these started. Elliot Nass, who's the legendary prohibition agent?
You know, we all know, Elliot, it's Kevin Pasner.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I remember watching The Untouchables and I was a kid,
and I shouldn't have a kid movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
No, I will never forget, and I will never forget.
There's a scene where he takes a baseball bat and
bashes someone's head. And I haven't seen the movie since
I was a kid, and yet I still remember that
scene very well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Yeah, yeah, it really fucked me up. He was the
good guy, right, Yeah, I didn't know what I don't
know why that was anyways, Elliot nas so he at
this point is appointed safety director of Cleveland, which means
he's in charge of cops and firefighters and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
He gets more involved in the case, They put a
psychological profile together say that the offender was a psychopath,
although probably not obviously insane, he had some knowledge of anatomy,
and he would have been very skilled at cutting flesh obviously,
because decapitations are very messy. It was believed that he
had access to some private space where the murders were performed.

(01:15:01):
And if this was true, then the fact that the
bodies had been carried long distances to be dumped indicated
that he was probably really strong. So he also may
have been familiar with the Kingsbury Run area. And yeah,
and then two full time detectives are put on the case.
These two dudes go undercover into Kingsbury run like shanty town,

(01:15:22):
which sounds so much fucking fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Doesn't that shit? Why isn't there a movie about this?
I don't know, because that's amazing. I think it's called
The Adventures of Natty Yan, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
She went into put shanty town, I don't know, decapitation murder,
Oh no, no, no, that's part two. She was so brave,
that little girl. That would kind of be amazing female empowerment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
She just seems tripping over tourso marching through hand me
that head cool. She didn't give a fuck. So they
get it. They get a fucking go undercover.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
There's like photos of them too online of like being like,
oh look at me, bring a hobo, and it's like
it's like if you weren't a dress up as a
quote hobo for fucking Halloween, like how you look?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
No? Sorry, can I sidebar this? Yes? Because I did
dress up as a hobo one year. Okay I may
have told you. Yeah, it was my own idea because
right around age eight, I think my mom started telling
me I was on my own Halloween costume style. So
it was just like whatever you could gather around the
house was your costume. One time I was a caddy

(01:16:24):
because I found old, a small, old set of golf
clubs in the garage.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
Then we just carried golf plucks around.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah, that was my costume. Where did we manual labor?
How did we? Why didn't we? Why didn't anyone care?
Whatt your kids?

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
And then you go you dress as a fucking caddy
and then it's like go out by yourself at night
and knock on people's doors and ask for candy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
But it didn't I didn't make it to the night
with a caddy outfit because at school in its like
Halloween parade, I learned my lesson of like I'm carrying
twenty pounds of golf clubs for every reason. And also
in this day and age, can you imagine a parent
being like make your own costume. They would be arrested
and like you would never hear from them again. Yeah.

(01:17:11):
So anyway, that year I became I was a hobo.
So I just had a bunch of old clothes and
you know, it was the classic seventies child costume. Sure,
but what I thought was going to be innovative is
I put vaciline on my face and then I put
coffee grounds on the vassiline so that it looked like
I had there, And it was fun and creative until

(01:17:32):
the part where we all ate delicious snacks started happening,
and everything I ate tasted like coffee because that was
what was on my face. And I ruined Halloween for myself. No,
my mother ruined Halloween for me. I think the seventies
ruined How How did any of us enjoy fucking anything?
That's a great question. It was all abba zaba anyway, Okay,

(01:17:55):
go ahead. They're dressed up like right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Okay, thank you. They interview more than fifteen hundred people.
It becomes the biggest police investigation in Cleveland history. And
then on February nineteen thirty seven, a man finds the
upper half of a female torso washed up on shore,
on the shore east of Broughtanal got that wrong, rattenal

(01:18:20):
braughtan all b rht brought E n Ahl Britannel.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I hear Cleveland screaming.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
About us from the audience right now of our fucking
Cleveland show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
It sounds like, yeah, really right, Scooby Doo talk right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Unlike all the previous victims, the cause of death had
not been decapitation it because that had happened after she
had already been dead, and the lower half of the
torso washed ashore three months later at about East thirtieth Street.
The woman was in her late twenties. She's never identified. Wow,
So it's weird too that again, like with your dude,
they're changing up the mos. Yeah, so it's almost like,

(01:18:56):
you know, nobody's fucking safe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, because if they do it long enough, they're like
developing and fine tuning right their own creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I mean, it becomes for both these cases, it's not
about it's about the act, not about the victim, and
not about a want and a need. It's more like
about this obsession.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
So it doesn't matter if you do it on a
boy or a girl or a grown woman or you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Right, it's all the Yeah, it's the planning and the
and the picking and the right. It's enjoying. It's enjoying.
It's being a psychopath. Yeah, it's being a murderous, lunatic
psychopath totally.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
June nineteen thirty seven, a teenage boy discovers a human skull.
Next to it in a burlac bag is several remains
of what turned out to be a petite black woman.
So this time it's a black woman, which changes the motion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
About forty years old, gentle work shows that she is
Rose Wallace, and police follow every lead they have on her,
but nothing is found.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Then in July nineteen thirty seven, the National Guard had
been called to maintain order at the flats or you know,
everything's going on, and a young guardsman is standing watch
by a bridge and sees the first piece of victim
number nine in the wake of a passing tugboat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Over the next few days, police recovered the entire body
except for the head, from the waters of the Cuyahoga River.
The victim who had been mutilated was in his mid
to late thirties. He's never identified. God, how did it's crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Did it come off the tugboat? Perhaps? Ooh, that's a
good question. I mean, like, did it make anyone go?
Maybe the cause if you were on a boat, if
you were the captain, say you were like a crab
fisherman or something, you're not near the ocean, but some
that is a yeah. That it's a vessel where you
could be by yourself totally. You could clean things ooh,

(01:20:53):
and you could rinse things off in the water, in
the water that's around you. That's a good point, thank you. Um,
let's look into that, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
In nineteen thirty eight, a young laborer is on his
way to work in the flats and saw what he
first thought was a dead fish along the banks of
the Cuyahoga River. Turns out to be the lower half
of a woman's leg. Oh, this is victim number ten.
A month later, police pulled two burlack bags out of
the river, containing both parts of the torso and most
of the rest of the legs. She's never identified.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Wow. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Then in August nineteen thirty eight, three scrap collectors forging
in a dump site, which we're like, don't do that
in Cleveland right now, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Guys, this is the time where you maybe get into writing, right,
maybe go internal. Yeah, don't do any kind of garbage
based activity. No, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
They find the torso a woman wrapped in a man's
double breasted blue blazer, then wrapped again in an old quilt.
The legs and arms are discovered in a recently constructed
makeshift box, wrapped in brown butcher paper and held together
with rubber bands and This is the weirdest one to
me because it's makes me think that they're and obviously
this is one of the ideas, is that it's a

(01:22:07):
lot of different killers because this one's like it's disposed
of so differently, and I'm shocked that they couldn't find
any clue based on that from.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
A suit jacket where back when everything was tailor made.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Yeah, from the suit jacket to the box, to the
rubber bands to the quilt. It's like, it's so crazy
that they couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
And maybe if it just if it were the same killer,
they've done it so many times and now they're taunting
the police of like there's a ton of clues and
you're still not going to find me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Yeah, could be yeah, so okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Yeah, because there's a big difference between a burlap sack
and a blazing Yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
And it's like that it's hidden more than it more
than it was and it was in a dump site,
so it was like it wasn't left out to be found.
So I bet this one is I bet this one
is made is like the husband made to look like,
oh yeah, it's one of the victims.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Oh yeah, the Torso Killer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Smart that you think, And it says that some of
the parts looked like they had been refrigerated. While searching
for more pieces, the police discovered the remains of a
second body only yards away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Never mind, so well, maybe that was her lover. Maybe
here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
These two bodies have been placed in a location that
was in plain view from Elliot Nessa's office window. Whoa,
so yeah, toying with him?

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Also, that's his office was close to a dump site. Yeah,
like the dumps Yeah essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yeah, wow, I wonder if theories what?

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
If it so, maybe it was like, let's say it
was the husband who killed the wife and the lover
and wanted them to get found because he wants the
insurance money. But they're gonna just assume that it was
killed by the Torso killer. So it wasn't like he
murdered them, right, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Know that'd be a great plan. Yeah, thank you. And
that means by that I mean terrible, I mean awful really.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
So August eighteenth, nineteen thirty eight, at twelve forty am,
Elliot ness and a group of thirty five police officers
and detectives raid the hobo Jungles of the Kingsbury run.
They arrest sixty three men there, and they search the
shanties that they are that are now deserted, looking for clues.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
But you can't decapitated and emasculate a body in a shanty,
so they just go after the poorest and represented.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Well, they think, because all these bodies seem to be
of transience, that it must be one of their own. Okay,
doing it all right, But yeah, they're not going to
do it in the shanty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
There's very little privacy in a shanty town. That's true
from my experience. That's a country song, I think, any
tone of myself in the shanty town.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
And then they set the shacks on fire and burn
the whole fucking chanty town around. Yeah, that's what the
fucking Cleveland people said too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
No, their non solution, non solution. The press are really
pissed off about it too. They criticized Ness for his actions,
but the murders did stop after this happened.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Oh maybe, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
In July nineteen thirty nine, they bring in their suspect,
fifty two year old Bohemian bricklayer Frank dolez All, does all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Doles all, Oh, like Rachel Dolezoal, a woman who posed
to me black? How did she spell it? Do l
e Zl? I think, yes, that's off that was off right,
Frank Dozel does all. Well, what a rich history that
family has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
I mean, So he's arrested because he had lived with Flow,
our friend Flow, and who had been was the body
that was found in the baskets. He had lived with
her for a while, and it revealed that he had
been acquainted with the two other identified bodies, Edward Andressy
and Rose Wallace. So, after a ton of questioning and

(01:26:12):
getting beat the fuck up by investigators, he confesses that
he had stabbed her killed her in self defense, but
he didn't know any of the case details, and it
didn't He kept getting bruises and injuries from his time
in custody with the Cleveland Police, and within a month

(01:26:32):
in custody he's found dead in his cell. Oh no,
it said he hung himself with his bed sheets from
a hook that was five fot seven inches to off
the ground and he was five foot eight. No, so
that math doesn't have a and when the medical record

(01:26:54):
show he had four broken he had broken ribs and
bruises all over his body that were not there before
he entered prison. Yeah, so not fucking I'm just telling
you the information I read, not saying anything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
It's really good call, but yeah, that's dead all sounds.
The problem with that too, is when you kill the suspect,
even if it's a bad suspect, you still don't know anything, right,
Like you're you're still cutting off that line of information.
Well it's almost like you're not learning anything, and you
get more and more angry about it, and so you

(01:27:29):
hurt him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
More and more to get more information. But if he
doesn't know the information, he can't give it to you, right.
So yeah, yeah, to this day, no one thinks that
he is the killer. Ugh, all the historians and shit.
So but it turns out there's a secret suspect that
Elliot Ness interrogated in nineteen thirty eight, but it didn't

(01:27:52):
come out who it was until the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Was it Herbert Hoover?

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
It was Herbert? Turns out it was a deranged doctor. Yeah,
of course, sorry, I love that. Yeah, doctor Francis E. Sweeney.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
And he sounds like, you know, a fucking classic deranged doctor, okay,
murderer type. Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
He's a veteran of World War One who was part
of the medical unit that conducted amputations.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Why did you just laugh, Stephen?

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
I was trying to cover up a sneeze.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Oh okay, good, We're like, Oh, Steven's finally as fucked
up as a Oh no, he's sneezing. I thought you
laughed so hard that you like had to cover your face. Stephen.
That that's when it's revealed Stephen's intensely evil and has
been this entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
It's the thing, the thing that gets him is World
War one amputees.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yeah, that's his fucking favorite. That's when Stephen's real personality,
Steve comes out. Ste Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Okay, so he's part of a medical unit that conducted
amputations and patching's up in the field during the interrogation
by Elliot Nass, who's like at this point losing a
shit because he's so embarrassed he can't find the killer.
Sweeney said to have quote failed to pass to polygraph tests.
But they were kind of in their early stages at
the time, so that's you know, were not totally no.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Back then it was just a third cop holding your
finger and I go lying, not lying, very early, rudimentary.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
That's exactly right. You can see that. You can see
that in the Cleveland Cop Museum too, just that same
cop sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
We're going to go meet him. It look it's the
original lie detectors, just screaming at people's faces. That guy, Oh, Larry,
he was amazing li best lie detector. He was a
lie detective. That's right. I don't know, it seems that okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
So it seems like elliot ness definitely thought that fucking
creepy Francis E. Sweeney was the killer, but there isn't
a lot of information on it because it turns out
that Sweeney was the first cousin of one of elliot
Nessa's political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney, who had been
hounding Elliotness in the press publicly about his failure to

(01:30:04):
catch the killer. So he was about to run again
so it would look really bad. He was like, well,
guess what, it's your cousin who's the killer, and no
one would believe him, and then if he were wrong,
he would ruin his career. Elians' career, Yes, very high stakes, right,
So he's like fuck, I can't do this, but I
totally think it's this dude. And then he was like
told everyone, don't fucking tell anyone, and no one fucking
told anyone until this dude was writing a book in

(01:30:26):
the nineteen seventies and was like, shit, he was fucking
Frank E.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Sweeney.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
So after he comes under suspicion, doctor Sweeney commits himself
to an insane I'm asylum and there are no more
leads or connections that police could assigned to him as
a possible suspect. From his hospital confinement, he's threatening. Postcards
signed by Sweeney mocked and harrask here sent to elliot ness,
and they mocked and harassed him and his family into

(01:30:51):
the nineteen fifties. Whoa he signed them F E. Sweeney
paranoidal parent paranoidal nemesis, paranoidal parentidal nemesis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Wow, okay, of course, I mean that's like kind of
admitting that you did it. Oh, Like that's crazy. Yeah,
he's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
It's possible, of course, that there were many murderers and copycats,
which I think might be the case. Similar decapitation murders
occurred in neighboring Newcastle, Pennsylvania, as well from nineteen twenty
three to nineteen forty and none of those were ever
solved either either. So there's a lot of similar cases.
And before the first two bodies were ever found, in

(01:31:31):
nineteen thirty four, a woman's torso washed up on this
shores of Lake Erie outside of Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
The victims flesh had also had.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
The chemicals on it that looked like it had been trying
to embalm her, and they called her the Lady of
the Lake. But it wasn't until later that they put
those they made the connection that they were all they
could have been the same killer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Oh wow, but but do do do? Do? Okay? Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
So it's also been theorized that the Cleveland to So
murder cases have some connection to January nineteen forty seven
murder of Elizabeth Short aka the Black Dahlia. In fact,
one of the many suspects from Cleveland was living a
few blocks away from where the body of the Black

(01:32:18):
Dahlia was found seven and a half and drained of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
No fucking way, way, So somebody that got interviewed for
for the way back in the thirties or those murders
in Cleveland ffteen years before huh, moves out to Sunny,
CA couple blocks away to try his hand at acting,
huh or what have you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Foh yeah, like, what are the fucking chances?

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
The very low? I would guess? Or was he was? He?

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Like, maybe he did kill her and he just wasn't
also the killer of the Torso people in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
That would would not even be more of a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, no, no, no, because he'd been following the murders
that whole time in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
He was like, that sounds like fine, and he killed her,
so he was either way copycatting as well. Yeah, either
way he killed the black tahll ya shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
But it's interesting to note that doctor Sweeney, who didn't
dine till nineteen sixty four, spent the rest of his
life committed. He was allowed to leave for days or
weeks at a time because he committed himself, oh until
his permanent institutionalization in nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
So maybe that motherfucker went to California for all? Yeah,
where'd he go when he got to leave? Great question?

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Ooh Nessa's inability to catch the killer drove him fucking crazy,
and it also tarnished his reputation, which we know is
like fucking superhistoric and godly, and official police records on
the case have been lost, destroyed or removed, and so

(01:33:53):
Cleveland Police Museum dot com a lot of good information
there and a lot of photos. There's some gruesome ones too,
so you guys know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
And also a website called Prairie Ghosts dot com got
a lot of good information there as well. Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
So that is the uh the Cleveland Torso killer or
the Mad Butcher of Kingsberry run.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Wow. Yeah. Also the fact that that that ends with
hooking up to another great unsolved mystery is insane, Like
it's so good. I know, I'm crazy. Yeah, Because then
it means potentially it's some say, thirty years from now

(01:34:35):
they find some kind of cat whatever, Like what if
one day it's solved and it's not it's the Black
Dahlia and the Mad Butcher of kings Jerry, the Black
Dahlia will ever be solved. I mean, that's what I
ask for for Christmas. So yes, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Santa can hear me a speck of DNA and then
they put it through codis and it's related.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
It's the relation DNA that they have now that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Oh yeah, where it can be like, uh, you're the
person who's DNA this matches is related to this other
person who's in Codis. Oh so even if they're not
in Codis, which because they'll be so old it wouldn't
be in there, but they could be like, this is
the person's great grandson.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
So they could track them down anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Yeah, if that person is in Codis.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Did you ever listen to that series? And I'm not
gonna be able to remember it off? Oh no, I can.
It's Hollywood and Crime. Oh yeah, did you listen to that?
And it's like basically all those there were a bunch
of similar murders before and after. That podcast is so
fucking good Hollywood and Crime. If you haven't listened to it, man,
that's good. And it is. It weighs right into all

(01:35:42):
this whole the Black Delia territory, Black Delia thing is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
It's it's so much bigger than you thought. Yeah, and
it's it's a great podcast. Yeah, it tells all these stories.
It tells it so well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
It's like it's re enactments. I feel like I recognize
some of the actors that are playing, like the cops
and stuff, really good voice acting in it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Yeah, listen to it from the beginning, because it's not
it's episodic, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah, and you need to know because there's all these
it's all connected. It's like it's amazing. So good. Oh
that was great, Thank you Cleveland. Please let's say so
let's see Okay, all right, good job us, Good job us.

(01:36:25):
That was really fun. Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, let's do
it more haunted trains in the background. Twenty eighteen. I
can't ever move from here else. I'm not gonna have
a haunted train. And now it's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Should we start recording from a fucking train to train.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Train boxcar, boxcar, from the dining car of a train
where we have to wear like Forti's outfits and those
pillbox hats with netting down the front, Martini's snoots, Martinis
with tons of olives. I mean, here's the thing. More,
if we get threatened by nuclear war, even just a
little bit more, I feel like I should start drinking again.

(01:37:07):
I feel like nothing bad will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
I think, wait till the first mom is dropped, okay,
and then I support you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
But then you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
But if you have a bummer, if you die of
a seizure before you could die of nuclear holocaust, wait
till you're ready to die of a seizure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Okay, promise me. But here's the thing. The just so
it just says an FYI, the liquor and the seizures
are not directly related. The reason I can't drink is
because my medicine is bad on my liver. Oh so
you can't. You basically like will like speed yourself in
deliver failure if you keep drinking. But it's not good
for it. But it won't immediately make me have a seizure.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Okay, if we sow, tell how long I think I
got a.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Good six months bender in me before I drop. I
don't think that we're gonna be around that much longer. Okay, Okay,
we're back. Are there updates for the story? There are updates.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
In twenty twenty four, DNA Doe Project teamed up with
Cuyahoga Counties Chief Medical Examiner to exhume the bodies of
the John and Jane does associated with this case to
test them for DNA and attempts to identify them using
genetic genealogy. They had planned to test the remains from
John Doe number four, which was the tattooed man, and

(01:38:27):
John Doe number six, but there hasn't been anything else
published regarding that, and we all know that takes such
a long time, especially for cold cases where the culprit
is probably deceased most likely, so they're not in a rush,
but god, it'd be really incredible to get some answers there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I mean, just more and more waiting. It's like, once
they start the testing, shouldn't the rule be that they
have to get it done in a month or something
like geez, it's like getting an RSVP to a wedding.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
It's like, if you don't do it by this time,
you don't get a come to the wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Yes, ye, right, same thing. What we're demanding is that
you wrap it up. But also just like what is
the answer to that? Would those names bring them any
closer to finding? Like would that help center that killer?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Because it's who was that killer?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yeah, it seems random the victims. It doesn't seem like
that suddenly everyone would be like, oh, it's that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
But it could be like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Your fucking murderer where it's like exactly, everyone news, the bartender,
wherever the place they all went to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Yes, that's my obsession. Your obsession is call cases. My
obsession is wolf hiding in plain sight, Wolf in sheeps clothing,
monster hiding in plain site. It's that is such an
ultimate brain, Like the wall in your brain is built
so high, and behind it you are doing the most
heinous things and like, but then you're just in the world,

(01:39:48):
able to blend.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Because we want these people who do such a thing
to be so obviously out there and disconnected from us.
But when they're not there life maybe even better at
socializing in society than definitely me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Oh they're master's Yes, exactly. Spoiler but this is like
that episode from Widow's Bay where it's the clown Killer
and he he hangs out with.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
As soon as I saw him, I was like, he
that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
And then that part where he he's in the crowds
down like hey, buddy needs it's the scariest words you've
ever heard, Right, That's what's so scary. It's like canny.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
That's why I think we like messy people because we're like, oh,
they don't have their shit together enough to be like
a cunning secret murderer.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
No, they're all all their shit's on the table and
they can't seem to get it picked back up. They're
just it's just there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Enjoy I like a messy pickup sticks, so a person.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
I like costumes, nice clarity, and no hiding, especially murderous impulses. Okay,
now we are going to get into good things of
the week for this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
I think this nuclear holocaust is now that is the
end where we say something pop.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Well the upswing a.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
I had such a good time doing jack shit over
the holidays, and I'm like, you know what, when the
nuclear vincent are going to hold up in here, We've
got water, we've got cat food. I will like to
say this do I got an argument with someone about
how I wouldn't eat my.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Cats what the fuck? And they were like, you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
I just remembered I got really mad at this guy,
my friend's cousin at the Magic Castle Good because we
got in this argument about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Like, uh, you'd eat what? You would eat your cats?

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
And I'm like, I'd kill myself before you eat my
cats if I'm like if I have to, and he's like, no,
you wouldn't, Like fuck you I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Got like some mad, and I was like, why am
I talking to this guy? And turned Also, first of all,
have you ever seen this cat? There's not a insively
on his body. That's what I was saying. For what
three extra days? That's just giblets. Yeah, and you got
nothing going on in that cat. That pouch on his
belly is just skin. That's yeah, you could, you could
chew on it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Yeah, still, so I'd have three extra days of living
knowing I'd eaten my cat, but I'll just die.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Sorry, why are we entertaining this? This is a person
that's someone's cousin. You don't even know them, and they're
telling you how you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Would be they do they know that my cats have
Instagram accounts?

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Yeah, they don't know shit about Your kids are money makers.
You're not going to eat them. I love my cats
so much that I have an Instagram account for them.
I'm not going to eat them. That's the only way
to prove love anymore. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Yeah, Like one of that tries to tell me about
how to take care of my cats, I'm like, they
have an Instagram account, clearly, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
That's like all I think of it. And then you
just slam the door.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Yeah, and they have sixty six hundred follower bill me uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Anyhow so peace and loved everybody else. Oh, this is
what I was gonna say. Don't take the nuclear strike
off your worry table, okay, because there are just reams
and loads of people in between. There's no button on
his desk. Okay, that's not how it's happening. Yeah, and
there's people. There's things happening. Do you think that they.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
Put like one of those staples we got the got
that buttons on his desk from like here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
It's and then he's like pressing, Yeah, yeah, there's it's
It's not gonna go down like that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Okay, all right, I'll worry about other things.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
In the meantime. I feel like I feel like there's
so much to worry about, and that one is so
overarching as a child of the as a true child
of the nuclear age, right where that was actually a
true concern of ours, like they would talk to us
about it in school. That's how old I am. Don't
do that to yourself because it's just you know, it's

(01:43:31):
just because in the dark thing to say. But it's
like because you maybe the thing you should be worried
about is getting it by bus? Like you just don't know. Yeah,
we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
I'm thinking globally and I with problems, and I need
to think locally.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
You need to act locally.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Yeah, locally with problems, and I need to make you
a martini clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Oh man, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And I
know I've said this before. I'm really good being drunk.
I'm just like, I don't slur, I don't try to
tell you secrets. I don't fucking do anything. Why would
I want to hang out with you and give you
a drink because I bring all this other stuff to
the table.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Dying in secrets are my favorite. How do you feel
about fist fights?

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Because I think, as a girl, you probably haven't gone
into the realm the way you could have, the way
you can be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
In one fist fight? Do you know that the I do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
I've never actually gotten into a fistfight, but one time,
in a total whiskey blackout on New Year's at the
San Francisco Punchline in the nineties, I a girl leaned
across the bar and started yelling at the bartender. Now
it could have been his girlfriend. She could have been
doing a bit. It was a comedy club. I do

(01:44:38):
not know what was going on. All I know is
the next thing I did is grab her finger and
twist it around her back. And because the bartender was
really nice and it made me like what she was
doing was so fucking irritated to me. And then the
next thing I knew, there was a big circle of
people standing way back from me, and the girl was
crying and going why didn't dude? And then I was like, oh,

(01:45:01):
what did I do? I had no idea what I did.
Oh my gosh. And then my friend like basically had
to usher me out because I was like, wait, what happened?
But I didn't know that I finger assaulted her. You're
not getting a drink. I'm sorry. It gets pretty serious
pretty quick, but it sounds fun. It is fun. Well

(01:45:22):
you know what it is, because you know, sometimes you
go out and nothing happens that would never happen with me.
There's always something is going to go down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Oh man, all right, last day on the planet. Yeah,
meet me here, great with a bottle of Well, let's
go out. Let's meet here and then we're going to
go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Okay, Yeah, we'll start here. And oh and you know
Vince is like the funniest strong that's he's the greatest. Yeah,
and he'd probably be able to keep me in line. Yeah,
I was, Stephen, you're a designated driver. Perfect, No, Stephen,
you were gonna do last day uber uh huh. And
well it'll be a dance. We'd pick people up. Yeah,

(01:46:01):
so that stays over And in meantime, all searching some
research about one of those weird hidden bunkers like that
holds five hundred people. We'll figure out where there is
one that a man's been working on for we'll go
Hamay since the eighties, and we'll just collect up drugs.
We'll get people who have good drugs okay, good liquor,
good personalities, and we'll all go into a mount lots

(01:46:23):
of dogs. Dogs would be fun. But then there's cats.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
He can go on like a backpack or something. Okay,
all right, all right, great, that's my happy thought.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Perfect. I feel like we just did that. Yeah, I
mean I think that's we covered that. There's lots to
be stressed about these days. But also don't forget in
your stress. Then also just start making up a fun plan,
okay to kind of counteract your stress. It's I think
it's a it relieves tension, something to look forward to
for sure. Okay, I like it and we're back. Does

(01:46:57):
it bother you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
It bothers me that I was guessing something was going
to happen in the world in the near future, and
I was off by like a nuclear strike and a virus.
I was definitely of the idea that an antibiotic resistant
virus would happen. But so it's just like a little
bit off. If I had fucking got it right, man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
God, I'd be the president. You'd be dead.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Uh yeah, we'd all be like the NASA scientists. Actually
that would be a horrible fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Thing also to compare. But it's like the stand where
just like the massive insane like you want to think
that you would be able to know when something like
a deadly, fast spreading virus is going to come out
and just wipe out yeah, a big part of the planet. Nope,
tell yourself. You would know the signs and signals. Course,

(01:47:51):
But here we are. I told you that we were
in the smokehouse the other night and there was an
emergency alert that came up on the TV screens and
then everyone's phone started going off. Oh, get out of
don't be in a crowd right now? What was it
was with Scotty Landis? And I looked over and I'm like, yep,
this is where this is exactly where we'd be. Then
the nuclear bombs go off.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
That's like a bad place to be, though, they got
good Martinies.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Lock us in hell, Yeah, get the Valet guys in
here and let's lock these doors. That's right. So this
episode was originally named Decompressions, which I love. It sounds
like a massage therapy store in the mall. But if
we were naming it today, we could call it, for example,
proactive sexism.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
That seems like a double negative, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
I think so? Or just or what if it's super
positive a lot if it turns out to be the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Yeah, that's right, Okay. We could also call it man's
blaming asteroids.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Of course I like that one, h or original Jersey
A high quality cow garbage based activities is good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
I love that one. And then off your worry table.
I love a worry table.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
That's good. And then of course nobody has to worry
because of something big happens. We'll all go into a mountain.
That's my big plan for mountains. We've raven a mountain.
Pick your favorite title. That's what we do. Yep. And
other than that, that's this week's episode of the Rewind.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Let's go back to good old twenty eighteen and let
my sweet baby boy Elvis say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Thanks for listening you guys. Welcome to twenty eighteen. Guys,
we're so happy to be in this year with you.
We're gonna do it. We're gonna we're gonna make this
gear count.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
We are so Stay sexy and don't get murdered by
bye Elvis.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
You want cookie? Whoa, that was a good one. He's
right there, he's so ready.

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