January 7, 2026 • 11 mins
Murphy's nose bleed is back but he went to the ENT to get to the bottom of it - or at least the back of it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Sam and Jody After the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And if you can see this on YouTube, which you
can watch our After the Show podcast on YouTube, you'll
see that Murphy has tape on his nose.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
He did not get in a fight, yet it looks
like it. So you just had to.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Run to the E n T again because you had
another nose bleed. Let's give everybody the update and me
because I only got the short update.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
On the food. You know, I just got back.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I just got back in well, so you know over
the holidays when everybody gets sick, is exactly what happened
to me. But it started with a sneeze and a
nose bleed, which was very weird. And what was so
different about this is it would not stop bleeding. I
mean like, yeah, well the first day especially, it would
bleed for almost twenty minutes. Then I would finally get
it under control, and as Jody can tell you, an
(00:45):
hour later or whatever, it would start up again.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I just kind of stopped cleaning the bathroom, knowing I'm
going to clean it at the end of the day
because I clean and it would be you would bleed again.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It was so worrisome.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, it was.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was worrisome to me, but you know, you you
don't want to bleed all over the place, so you
you really feel kind of helpless. At one moment, it's like, well,
I got to keep one hand on my face at
all times, and you know it. But eventually, so I
went to the ant and you know, we changed a
few things up and it had finally stopped. And then
(01:16):
two days ago.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well he said, you had a really bad sinus infection
that you know, you had aggravated with sneezing or and
it was everything was really really dry, so he thought
something had just burst and nosebleed.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That wouldn't really see nasal passages as I've learned, or
they're really sensitive. I mean, he says that anybody. You know,
the reason you're not supposed to stick your finger in
your nose is well other fa it grosses people out,
you know, is that skin is so well no, no,
it's it's very thin skin. It doesn't take much of
anything to actually make it, you know, bleed, so when
an irritant or something gets in there, it can it
(01:47):
can aggravate it. But I knew I had to go
back to him because it started up again. It wasn't
lasting as long.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
When the last night, once this last night, and then
once this morning, right okay.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Early this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Before he got here, Sam, he was like, I can't
work over my laptop because blood is coming out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So anyway, I went to the you know E and
T and doctor Jeffrey Peters, who's awesome. He did the
sin of surgery only ten years ago, and this was
one of those He's like, you don't see this very often.
I mean, he was really having the troubleshoots. They he
did the scope and I won't you know, I don't
want to make anybody squeamish. It's not gross. Some people
(02:26):
just can't handle the scope. What the scope is? You
get numb with light a cane and it's a little
tiny little camera that they are. They just go up
your nose and start looking at three feet.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm one of those that if I had gone with you,
which I didn't this time, went the first time, I
would have not been able to watch that. I would
have had a turn my head, Yeah, because that's a
delicate area that they're going up into.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but he makes it. It's it's it's comfortable. You
can feel little bit of you know, pressure or what
have you. But I mean, thank goodness for that kind
of technology, because that gives him the absolute look. And
when you look at like the chart on the wall
that you know, you know how every doctor's office has
the little anatomy chart and this one's got this nasal
cavities and all that, and you don't realize how many
(03:08):
little layers and open cavities there are. You know, you've
got basically I think three things. I think I think
those are called the turbinates. I don't know, I'm going
to mess the words up. I'm not even going to
try to say it, but there, you know you've got
there are a lot of different canals, if you would
say that, it's not just like two things that go
straight up into your nose and into your own.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Line, it seems.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So he goes way back up in there, just what
an hour ago? What did he find?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, what he found wasn't actually up front. It was
way far back on the bottom layer, you know, at
the base, and it was just a an irritated area
that had become I don't know what the granulated is, well,
he says, granulated. I don't even really know what that means.
Other than you know, blood vessels get sensitive and there
it's much more prone to a bleed. It's an area
(03:55):
that's about five millimeters long and it's not healing and
as a result, that's why the you know, the nosebleed
I couldn't really control because it's not just a typical
scrape or something like that, and you know whatever, it
continued to make it worse. So he went in and
this sounds worse than it is, but he cauterized it,
which they used silver and nitrate for that, which essentially
(04:17):
burns your skin, but it stops bleeding. That's it's very common. Well, no,
it's not it. That's that's what you're thinking of. Electric cauterization.
That's not what they did for this.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This could I know, Sam's gonna laugh, but how could
I know that?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm just asking did.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You Unfortunately I've had my experience with silver nitrate over
the years.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Anyway, did you feel any weirdness when that was happening?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Did you feel it?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It was just pressure?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
He's I mean, he's awesome, you know he he he
went back there with cotton balls soaked in lighter cane
and all the everything. So you don't really you don't
feel anything, That's what I'm telling you. I can't imagine.
I guess this technology didn't exist one hundred years ago,
but can you imagine that, you know, if if that
had to be done, you know, without.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Saying pain really for whatever, like some leeches.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
On your face and you know, okay, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But you know it's it is going to So I
have packing, which is why you see this thing. He
now knows and yeah, and and I'm gonna have it
for a couple of days because he wanted to make
sure that the you know, that the area healed. It's
basically like putting a band aid in, but it's a
place you can't physically get to. And you know, can
you feel that one the light of Kane wears off?
(05:30):
I mean the light of King's already worn off. So yeah,
it's I mean I do feel it. It would be
I don't. It's it's not crazy painful or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You have to pull it out in a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
No, that's his job. Yeah I'm not. I'm not the
medical expert.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So if you have to sneeze, is he just gonna
sit there and go, well go around me?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, I need to go back and ask him that question. No,
I I don't. I mean, I'm just gonna be hope.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
The left side that you're packed, you're not packed in
the right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
If I was packed in the right and he said,
some people have to have that done, that's tough because
you're you're a mouth breather at that point. And but
uh yeah, so it it'll heal up just a couple
of days and it'll be.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Fig granulated spot.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, and that's that's really the only reason we want
to do this in the podcast, because when you know,
some when you notice something that's different and out of
the ordinary. I've had everybody's had a nosebleed, right, everybody
experiences it at some point. You've never had one.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I have never had a nose bleed, never that I've
wanted one.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But no, pretty sure Faith has never had one.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Okay, Yeah, you're right, though I know a lot of
people who got to have them used to happen regularly.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, exactly, Well, this is not you know, this is
not normal for me, especially if we're to last as
long as it has, and so it you know, Jody
and I went over the holidays because these things, as
we mentioned I think once before. They're always going to
happen either overnight on a Saturday. Are they going to
happen on Christmas Day or New Year's when you know
you don't have a choice but to go to you
know er or what have you. And I was trying to,
(07:03):
I was trying to, you know, avoid that because I
really didn't know. And then you start googling yourself into
dark places.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. Right, So I was googling at night in the
bed and the room is dark, and I look over
and he's googling too, and we're googling the same thing.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What'd you find?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This is all still related to that sinus infection, not necessarily.
He doesn't really know. I mean it could he doesn't
know what the original irritation, you know, could be. I
have to think it's you know, related to either when
I was just getting the cold and I felt the scratchiness,
or seapaps can aggravate, you know. Seapaps. While they do
(07:43):
wonderful things, you know, to help you sleep comfortably and
keep your breathing from stopping right, they they can dry
your nasal passages out, even with the water tank that's
on them, they still dry your nasal passage.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, I was see, I was in the office with
you when he explained that it makes so much sense.
Your nasal tissue, all of that is designed to handle
air flow in and out. But any extra airflow you
put in there, i e. A seapap, it it just
is going to because it's extra. It's your your body
(08:15):
system is designed to handle the normal amount of airflow
of you breathing, not an extra set of here it
comes Darth Vader's Yeah, so that made total sense about that,
even if you're moisturizing your seapap the way you should,
nasal cavities, right whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, so you I'm sorry. I just need to know.
I want answers, and.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You even need to apologize for that. I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So my question is this, you're going back Friday and
for what what did he say He's going to take
out the packing and yeah, and just.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
He's going to go back and look and see if
it's actually healed, and then then if it's not healed
the way that he wants, then we actually are going
to have to do something a little more surgical with it.
So you know, which can't I don't think can be
done just in the office there, No, but I'm not.
You know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Surgical with it. Means what remove it?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, oh okay, well, I mean cauterize it more. Whatever
he has to do to to make it heal. Honestly,
if it's not, if this doesn't make it heal, then
he'll he'll just take it to the next level. But
that's what this little string is tied to the side
so he can remove it. That's what that's for. I know,
And I'm wondering. You know, when he pulls on that
string and pulls it out, if I'll hear something like
(09:24):
there's a snake in my boots, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Gonna be like the handkerchiefs from a magician too.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, only if you bring Sam. Are you going to
hear that?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I uh, at least a yeah, But that the way
he doesn't have to it's so far How far back
is it?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
It is so far.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Back, Yeah, that he has to use, you know, a
string for that. It would not plus that keeps it
from it's about a three I know, you can't believe this.
It's about it's a three inch piece of foam that's
up my nose right yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's designed like something else in the world of medical
things women, but we won't go there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Oh oh yeah, okay, signed to do the same.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I didn't even stick one of those up my nose.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
But if you're in a pantscare, do what you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Gotta do, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm glad that we're able to laugh about this because
when you told me again today that you are bleeding again,
and when you left here, you don't even know this, Sam.
He was leaving, I had to stay to do some work.
I said, let me know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I handed him a whole thing of paper towels.
I'm like, take them, just take them for you in
the car, and he was walking out with it on
his nose.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Did you did you bleed anymore on the way?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, it stopped faster. It wasn't the whole situation that
we had two weeks ago. Thank goodness for that. The buckets, Yeah,
the one that the scene at Starbucks, which is what
that was in case you missed that podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, all right, Well, I think you when he pulls
the rubber thing out.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't think you'll have to numb for that. No,
it's just it's just slides, right, out so him.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Really doesn't hurt. I know it sounds weirder than you think.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, I'm so glad you went though.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
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Welcome to the Murphy Sam and Jody After the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And if you can see this on YouTube, which you
can watch our After the Show podcast on YouTube, you'll
see that Murphy has tape on his nose.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
He did not get in a fight, yet it looks
like it. So you just had to.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Run to the E n T again because you had
another nose bleed. Let's give everybody the update and me
because I only got the short update.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
On the food. You know, I just got back.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I just got back in well, so you know over
the holidays when everybody gets sick, is exactly what happened
to me. But it started with a sneeze and a
nose bleed, which was very weird. And what was so
different about this is it would not stop bleeding. I
mean like, yeah, well the first day especially, it would
bleed for almost twenty minutes. Then I would finally get
it under control, and as Jody can tell you, an
(00:45):
hour later or whatever, it would start up again.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I just kind of stopped cleaning the bathroom, knowing I'm
going to clean it at the end of the day
because I clean and it would be you would bleed again.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It was so worrisome.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, it was.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was worrisome to me, but you know, you you
don't want to bleed all over the place, so you
you really feel kind of helpless. At one moment, it's like, well,
I got to keep one hand on my face at
all times, and you know it. But eventually, so I
went to the ant and you know, we changed a
few things up and it had finally stopped. And then
(01:16):
two days ago.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well he said, you had a really bad sinus infection
that you know, you had aggravated with sneezing or and
it was everything was really really dry, so he thought
something had just burst and nosebleed.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That wouldn't really see nasal passages as I've learned, or
they're really sensitive. I mean, he says that anybody. You know,
the reason you're not supposed to stick your finger in
your nose is well other fa it grosses people out,
you know, is that skin is so well no, no,
it's it's very thin skin. It doesn't take much of
anything to actually make it, you know, bleed, so when
an irritant or something gets in there, it can it
(01:47):
can aggravate it. But I knew I had to go
back to him because it started up again. It wasn't
lasting as long.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
When the last night, once this last night, and then
once this morning, right okay.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Early this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Before he got here, Sam, he was like, I can't
work over my laptop because blood is coming out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So anyway, I went to the you know E and
T and doctor Jeffrey Peters, who's awesome. He did the
sin of surgery only ten years ago, and this was
one of those He's like, you don't see this very often.
I mean, he was really having the troubleshoots. They he
did the scope and I won't you know, I don't
want to make anybody squeamish. It's not gross. Some people
(02:26):
just can't handle the scope. What the scope is? You
get numb with light a cane and it's a little
tiny little camera that they are. They just go up
your nose and start looking at three feet.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm one of those that if I had gone with you,
which I didn't this time, went the first time, I
would have not been able to watch that. I would
have had a turn my head, Yeah, because that's a
delicate area that they're going up into.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but he makes it. It's it's it's comfortable. You
can feel little bit of you know, pressure or what
have you. But I mean, thank goodness for that kind
of technology, because that gives him the absolute look. And
when you look at like the chart on the wall
that you know, you know how every doctor's office has
the little anatomy chart and this one's got this nasal
cavities and all that, and you don't realize how many
(03:08):
little layers and open cavities there are. You know, you've
got basically I think three things. I think I think
those are called the turbinates. I don't know, I'm going
to mess the words up. I'm not even going to
try to say it, but there, you know you've got
there are a lot of different canals, if you would
say that, it's not just like two things that go
straight up into your nose and into your own.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Line, it seems.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So he goes way back up in there, just what
an hour ago? What did he find?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, what he found wasn't actually up front. It was
way far back on the bottom layer, you know, at
the base, and it was just a an irritated area
that had become I don't know what the granulated is, well,
he says, granulated. I don't even really know what that means.
Other than you know, blood vessels get sensitive and there
it's much more prone to a bleed. It's an area
(03:55):
that's about five millimeters long and it's not healing and
as a result, that's why the you know, the nosebleed
I couldn't really control because it's not just a typical
scrape or something like that, and you know whatever, it
continued to make it worse. So he went in and
this sounds worse than it is, but he cauterized it,
which they used silver and nitrate for that, which essentially
(04:17):
burns your skin, but it stops bleeding. That's it's very common. Well, no,
it's not it. That's that's what you're thinking of. Electric cauterization.
That's not what they did for this.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This could I know, Sam's gonna laugh, but how could
I know that?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm just asking did.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You Unfortunately I've had my experience with silver nitrate over
the years.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Anyway, did you feel any weirdness when that was happening?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Did you feel it?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It was just pressure?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
He's I mean, he's awesome, you know he he he
went back there with cotton balls soaked in lighter cane
and all the everything. So you don't really you don't
feel anything, That's what I'm telling you. I can't imagine.
I guess this technology didn't exist one hundred years ago,
but can you imagine that, you know, if if that
had to be done, you know, without.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Saying pain really for whatever, like some leeches.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
On your face and you know, okay, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But you know it's it is going to So I
have packing, which is why you see this thing. He
now knows and yeah, and and I'm gonna have it
for a couple of days because he wanted to make
sure that the you know, that the area healed. It's
basically like putting a band aid in, but it's a
place you can't physically get to. And you know, can
you feel that one the light of Kane wears off?
(05:30):
I mean the light of King's already worn off. So yeah,
it's I mean I do feel it. It would be
I don't. It's it's not crazy painful or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You have to pull it out in a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
No, that's his job. Yeah I'm not. I'm not the
medical expert.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So if you have to sneeze, is he just gonna
sit there and go, well go around me?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, I need to go back and ask him that question. No,
I I don't. I mean, I'm just gonna be hope.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
The left side that you're packed, you're not packed in
the right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
If I was packed in the right and he said,
some people have to have that done, that's tough because
you're you're a mouth breather at that point. And but
uh yeah, so it it'll heal up just a couple
of days and it'll be.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Fig granulated spot.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, and that's that's really the only reason we want
to do this in the podcast, because when you know,
some when you notice something that's different and out of
the ordinary. I've had everybody's had a nosebleed, right, everybody
experiences it at some point. You've never had one.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I have never had a nose bleed, never that I've
wanted one.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But no, pretty sure Faith has never had one.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Okay, Yeah, you're right, though I know a lot of
people who got to have them used to happen regularly.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, exactly, Well, this is not you know, this is
not normal for me, especially if we're to last as
long as it has, and so it you know, Jody
and I went over the holidays because these things, as
we mentioned I think once before. They're always going to
happen either overnight on a Saturday. Are they going to
happen on Christmas Day or New Year's when you know
you don't have a choice but to go to you
know er or what have you. And I was trying to,
(07:03):
I was trying to, you know, avoid that because I
really didn't know. And then you start googling yourself into
dark places.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. Right, So I was googling at night in the
bed and the room is dark, and I look over
and he's googling too, and we're googling the same thing.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What'd you find?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This is all still related to that sinus infection, not necessarily.
He doesn't really know. I mean it could he doesn't
know what the original irritation, you know, could be. I
have to think it's you know, related to either when
I was just getting the cold and I felt the scratchiness,
or seapaps can aggravate, you know. Seapaps. While they do
(07:43):
wonderful things, you know, to help you sleep comfortably and
keep your breathing from stopping right, they they can dry
your nasal passages out, even with the water tank that's
on them, they still dry your nasal passage.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, I was see, I was in the office with
you when he explained that it makes so much sense.
Your nasal tissue, all of that is designed to handle
air flow in and out. But any extra airflow you
put in there, i e. A seapap, it it just
is going to because it's extra. It's your your body
(08:15):
system is designed to handle the normal amount of airflow
of you breathing, not an extra set of here it
comes Darth Vader's Yeah, so that made total sense about that,
even if you're moisturizing your seapap the way you should,
nasal cavities, right whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, so you I'm sorry. I just need to know.
I want answers, and.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You even need to apologize for that. I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So my question is this, you're going back Friday and
for what what did he say He's going to take
out the packing and yeah, and just.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
He's going to go back and look and see if
it's actually healed, and then then if it's not healed
the way that he wants, then we actually are going
to have to do something a little more surgical with it.
So you know, which can't I don't think can be
done just in the office there, No, but I'm not.
You know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Surgical with it. Means what remove it?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, oh okay, well, I mean cauterize it more. Whatever
he has to do to to make it heal. Honestly,
if it's not, if this doesn't make it heal, then
he'll he'll just take it to the next level. But
that's what this little string is tied to the side
so he can remove it. That's what that's for. I know,
And I'm wondering. You know, when he pulls on that
string and pulls it out, if I'll hear something like
(09:24):
there's a snake in my boots, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Gonna be like the handkerchiefs from a magician too.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, only if you bring Sam. Are you going to
hear that?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I uh, at least a yeah, But that the way
he doesn't have to it's so far How far back
is it?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
It is so far.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Back, Yeah, that he has to use, you know, a
string for that. It would not plus that keeps it
from it's about a three I know, you can't believe this.
It's about it's a three inch piece of foam that's
up my nose right yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's designed like something else in the world of medical
things women, but we won't go there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Oh oh yeah, okay, signed to do the same.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I didn't even stick one of those up my nose.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
But if you're in a pantscare, do what you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Gotta do, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm glad that we're able to laugh about this because
when you told me again today that you are bleeding again,
and when you left here, you don't even know this, Sam.
He was leaving, I had to stay to do some work.
I said, let me know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I handed him a whole thing of paper towels.
I'm like, take them, just take them for you in
the car, and he was walking out with it on
his nose.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Did you did you bleed anymore on the way?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, it stopped faster. It wasn't the whole situation that
we had two weeks ago. Thank goodness for that. The buckets, Yeah,
the one that the scene at Starbucks, which is what
that was in case you missed that podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, all right, Well, I think you when he pulls
the rubber thing out.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't think you'll have to numb for that. No,
it's just it's just slides, right, out so him.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Really doesn't hurt. I know it sounds weirder than you think.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, I'm so glad you went though.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
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