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June 7, 2024 23 mins

Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Jackson Dunbar.  RACE MATTERS IN PAIN MEDICINE: Resulting in the critical under medication of African Americans, who must "LIVE" with unbearable Chronic Pain; and the severe over medication of White Americans, which became a cause of the Opioid Crisis.

Jackson Dunbar, Esq. -- A successful serial Entrepreneur and Family Man suffers from Chronic Pain caused by a car accident and failed back surgery. During his journey to become healthy, provide for his family and fight Chronic Pain; he discovered stark inequities in Pain Medicine that impact Men, Women and Children.

A strong believer in Self-Help, Jackson Dunbar Esq. applied solutions-focused “Business Logic” to his own health – the results; he was able to Make Money, Lose 90lbs. and Thrive in Chronic Pain. His strategies are contained in this book for every Chronic Pain patient, Caregiver or Medical/Behavioral Health professionals to explore.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're about to make a change in your life
and you feel uncomfortable, that's the best feeling you can
have because for the first time in your life, you'll
make under decision that's going to be best for you
and not what somebody told you to do. And that's
when all bets are off. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
I'm your host, Rashaan McDonald. Our theme is there's no

(00:23):
perfect time to start following your dreams. I recognize that
we all have different definitions of success. For you and
maybe decide to your jam, it's time to stop reading
other people's success stories to start.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Living your own.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Keep winning.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now, let's give it to business. My guess he's on
the call and I had him on the show before
and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress, overcoming
the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed by
earning a comfortable living after having lost it all. Dumbbar's
committed to creating a new normal life for himself, deliberately
focused on his physical health and strength continue to earn

(01:03):
an income while still in chronic pain and without his knowledge,
was teaching himself and possibly the world a masterclass in survival.
In this book, he gives a first hand account on
how he made money, lost Danty Palce, and thrived in
chronic pain in the financial and health care worlds. Please
welco with the money Making Conversation master class again, the

(01:26):
one and only Jackson Dunbar.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
How you doing, sir, great? Thank you so much for
having me.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
When I invite you and I meet people like you.
I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I
didn't know about, and I'm just going to share something
I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and
right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and
so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue
to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it.
So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak.

(01:56):
But I wanted to get into detail and talk about
the pain that you you were dealing with. I would
like to believe you're dealing with it currently.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yes, Yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient
due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone
that's in constant Paine over six months. I've been in
Constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred.
And yeah, I just have to deal with it when you.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Say that now, right now, there's a you know, I've
had pain. I was in the hospital for thirty days.
My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll share this story
with everybody. I remember when I went into hospital, it
was in an emergency and the doctor pulled back the
curtain and he said, we don't do immediate surgery on you.
You will die. I can always remember that statem when

(02:45):
you said that, because my lung had collapsed so much
that I you know, you know, it's interesting how you're long.
You when it collapsed, it becomes the size of a quarter,
that's how That's how big it was when it collapsed.
And he had to so they had to do so
on me by making an incision or right above my
or along my small ribcage to insert a tube. Well,

(03:07):
guess what, they couldn't dead in anything. I had to
feel the incision. I had to feel the two being
inserted in me and deal with the pain. And I remember, Jackson,
it was just it was a moment where you just
had to deal with it, otherwise the results wouldn't have

(03:29):
came out that it would allow me to talk today.
How did you because that was just an incident, but
you're dealing with it twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
How I think the hard part, and this took a
few years for me, was I was focused on what
I lost. Late the summer before the accident, I ran
the peach tree. I ran the peach tree with my wife, right,
you know. I used to bike around Thrown Mountain all
the time with my son. So I think the first
three years of this I focused on that, and then

(04:01):
what happened. I started I met a minister and she
told me, hey, why don't you start focusing on the
things you can do? And then and suggested I get therapy,
on which I did. I got to say, if you're chronic,
paying patient and you don't have a good mental health

(04:21):
team that can help you focus on those things that
can keep your focus and moving forward, yeah, you're missing
a great piece of something that's going to make you
healthy long term. So after after I got the tools
in order to figure out how to focus on what

(04:43):
I could do, what I could do for myself, what
I could do for my family, what I could do
for my community. Then it became like any other problem
I was solving business, I myself. I have always been
told I'm I create a problem solver. Problem became Hey,
how do I make How do I make money even

(05:04):
though I can't leave my house? How do I lose
weight even though I'm on pay meds that make me
gain weight? How do I thrive in crime pain even
though I'm on meds that make me suicidal? How do
I deal with the racism that singdemic and pain medacine treatment?

(05:26):
As a middle aged black man who often yeah, even
though eighty percent of the people that die from opiate
overdoses are white men, and when between the ages of
twenty five and thirty two, I'm stereotyped often when I
go in order to get my medications. He's the reason
I wrote my book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How

(05:48):
I made money, lost ninety pounds and driving from pain.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
He was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients
get stereotype as drug users when they come in and
try to seek drug medication because they know what they're
supposed to get and they know they know why they
should be getting it, and people will call them or
accuse them being drug users, so that a lot of

(06:12):
it is due to the fact because they are people
of color, they are offering the minority community and people
are stereotyping them. So I would have to say that
you oftentimes was a victim of stereotyping.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yes, yes, even despite the numbers that most of the
people who are dying from this do not look like us.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Wow. Now it was something you put out there that
I wanted to bring back because in twenty twenty, doing
COVID therapy became a rise in the black community, you know,
became a normal part of the conversation, the mental health conversation.
A lot of famous people started confessing their issues, a
lot of athletes started confessing their issues or with mental health,

(06:55):
and they COVID really sent people over the edge. A
lot of relationships were lost during the COVID period due
to mental strain. Now you said the word therapy. Now
with that a word, did you could share publicly with
your friends, with your people that you cared about as
strangers without being looked upon as a person with a problem.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know what my favorite chapter in this book is
real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about
that is that I've ownly well met Atlanta. We're a
group of African American child and adolescent psychiatrists that work

(07:38):
in the Greater Atlanta area. So I'm surrounded by a
psychiatrists and for whatever, and they were telling me, hey, listen,
something's off with you. I think you need therapy. And
I just wasn't hearing it. And it wasn't until what happened.

(08:00):
I was taking my daughter to the hair store. Sally's right, yeah,
closed the door in my face. I started yelling at him.
He called me an old man. This old man can
kick it butt, and my daughter was afraid of me.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And he little Jackson, that was you talk about the
old man could kick your butt.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
That was you.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I was in a scooter saying this.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I can imagine that I was in a.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Scooter telling some twenty year old pump okay that could
beat him down. And I had my nine year old
daughter there right right, and she looked at me like
I was crazy. And I came home. I told my wife, Hey,
you know what you're right, Adam minimal all the work

(08:49):
that I put into at that time. I put a
lot of work into my diet, dropping weight in order
to manage the pain, had to put any work into
my into my mind. So she helped me. If I'm
a therapist that focused in chronic pain, and the psychiatrist
that did as well, and the psychiatrist wasn't saving grace
because what she was able to do was lay out

(09:11):
all my meds. At this time, the pain doctor was
giving me meds, the PCP was giving me meds, the
neurologist was getting I was getting meds from everybody, but
there was no one serving as as a quarterback, you know,
to basically say, hey, these meds should go here, these
meds shouldn't be here. Whatever psychiatrists did all that, she

(09:34):
was like, okay, this is what's making you crazy, it's
making you gang weight. Yeah. So basically she got rid
of some things, auted some mothers, and then finally.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Think right and be myself again.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was it was almost as if hey, the person
that I was was gone for years and the finally
I could think the way the way I normally did.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, because a lot of people who deal with I
get there. I hear this bipolar you'll says complain about
the meds. They often the time they will drop off
of him, you know, our will downing and his daughter
was bipolar and she committed suicide. And so because of
the fact that she got off of meds and because

(10:17):
of that uncomfiden zone, she went into isolation and of
course isolation. So recently I say that we're about to
we're going to go to a break. But when I
come back, I want to talk about your support groups
that got you through it because of the fact that
when you came back home after that incident that your daughter,
so you spoke to your wife and that was an

(10:37):
important conversation because that led you to the better life
that you lived today. We'll be right back for more
money making Conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar. We'll be
getting to financial fire financial literacy later on this show,
but more importantly How I Made Money his chapters How
I Made money, lost ninety pounds and thrived in chronic pain.
We'll be right back with more money making Conversation.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
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(11:21):
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Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know, within the black community, we are you know
we you know last hire first fire lads to get
the information on the financial and end lads to get
information on therapy or shut the responsibility to deny the
gay community within our household, deny. There's age in our
household with such an in denial community that we're in
the end, we are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed

(11:49):
about what we can do. And when you write a
book like this, which I feel is a very very
purposeful book, How I Made Money. You know, it's one
of the chapters in your book, what profit do you
should like investing as a money maker?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well, I think what I did, and I think any
chronic pain patient in my position should do this as well.
Come to the reality that you are limited in what
you can do.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
If you're lucky with the payments, you may have a
few hours of lucidity at best. So the question is
is what's the best way to make money the biggest
bang for the buck in that short amount of time.
And for me, it was investing. Let's see, because of
because I have a lot of great in the NBA.
I spent a lot of time crunching numbers and analyzing

(12:40):
trends in my career, so I thought, hey, why why
can't I use that for the stock market. So essentially
what I did was, I said, Hey, how much money
could I afford to lose on a trip to Vegas.
I'm talking hotel, airfare, gambling and whatnot. I'll without losing

(13:02):
any sleep. So I took those funds and I started investing.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
You're saying, maybe let's give us a number of day.
I don't know how what's your trip to Vegas? Are
you on softwares or your first plans on Delta? Do
you roll with a do you roll with an off
strip motel?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Or you on the strip?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know in Caesar?

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Please please let us know.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
What is your version of a Vegas trip? Jackson?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Okay, okay, So hey, I'm way too over Southwest. I'm blind.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
I'm staying at Casons.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
There you go when I.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Get there, there you go, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Okay, So so let's say five to ten grand.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
There you go, there you go, you working there?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, okay, so five to ten grand and at the
time when I started, interest rates were zero, so everybody
was making money, right, so I figured, hey, I had
more credentials than my financial planner, why not give it
a shot. First month I turned that I what tripled
that money? Okay?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Now now then when you say that, now you gotta
slow it down my team, because that's when they get
into this money made conversations massacre. How did you triple
your money? Was it crypto? Because that was a big
that was kind of like the raisee there, Crypto money
get flipped real quick bigcoin? Did you what? What made
you make decisions on? Will you tech? Where were you
at with your money?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Okay? Where was I at? Neo? I made most of
that money on Neo, and and I did get on
I did get on bigcoin at four thousand, so TOCI
by accident to this day, if I put that money
on ethereum, yeah, life that would have been life changing.

(14:51):
But bigcoin is one of those things is that you
get on at at a low let's you had a
low cost bashes, leave it alone. You'll time back a
year and bam, there's all this money. That was what
happened to me there at the state At the same time, anything.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You need to stop, Jackson need Do you know what
I'm saying? You hurt my feelings over here? Bam, all
that money, it's some people out there, they're by ready
to commit suicide. Listen to this call. I'm telling you
we're not trying to put people in the stress lane
when you can't say, bam, all that money, that that
that that hurts my feeling. I'm gonna be honest with you,

(15:29):
jack that hurts my feeling.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
You know what's funny?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay? When I started investing, within a month, I went
from my wife leaving the house. I'm on the sofa
in pain. You know how your wife can look at
you if.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
You're not working, She's got to go to work, right right, right,
right right. My wife understands the pain I'm in, but
still like, why is this guy on the couch and
I gotta go out? I went from that and a
month too.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Baby, you've had this skill set our whole life and
you never once thought about using it.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
And Jackson, Jacks you're funny, she said, baby like that, baby, baby.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yes, yes, And thirty days I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
She went from cutting to evili You rolled around in
the wheelchair the baby. You got a skill set I
didn't know you had. Come on over here, come over here.
Let let's talk.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
But that.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
But that skill set, you know, God is good in
a lot of ways because of the fact that you
took advantage of You could have sat in the corner
and complained, took your drugs, not do therapy and embarrass
your daughter every year on her birthday because you were
mad at the life, because you felt sorry for yourself.
You know, because of the fact that you know, right

(16:56):
now my knee hurt, but it's not in chronic pain.
Because right now, when I get up, I'm gonna feel
the pain because my knee is at an angle and
I start to walk, I'm a feeling. But you know,
I tend to want to get a clearer understanding if
you could help me and my listeners. What is a
day in the life of a person who's in criminal

(17:18):
pain from when they get up or what they try
to sleep? What is that? And how does that feel?
And how do you how do you how do what's
that day to day out our experience?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Okay, well it starts out with you wake up, Okay,
how do I get out of bed? And at least
the amount of pain. Then you go to, okay, how
do I do number one or number two and at
least the amount of pain? Then then it's okay. You

(17:48):
have to remember your meds. And I've been taking the
same mass for years, ship for whatever reason, that time
of the day I always forget. It's always hard to remember,
which means the tape had some for the morning, some
for the afternoon, and then some at night. It takes
about an hour, and kind of groggy from my morning

(18:10):
managed to kick in. Typically I'm on Mama Recliner and
I'm sort of in between let's see, and then all
of a sudden, bam, I'm lucid, and I'm that way
for the next few hours. That's when that's when I'm trading.
I'm looking at crypto, I'm looking at crypto based box,

(18:33):
I'm looking at it. Well here, Karon Hunter had me
on her show. I told her Ribbean, is she it?
I hope she listened to me. Because she did, she
would have more than she would have almost tripled her money.
I think it was straightening her by nine dollars to
share again. I think it's somewhere around twenty five twenty
six now, so I so I look at the trends,

(18:55):
and then I told everyone, hey, hey, listen, if you
want to trade, find other people who like the trade
as well, because what ends up happening is that y'all
former community. And I might be a car guy, you
might be a commodities guy. You may have them on up.
That's a crypto guy. Anyway, we're all looking at different

(19:17):
aspects of the market, and you may find something that
I don't know about that makes money, and vice versa.
So we have a meeting, we discuss all of that, right,
and then I go about the business of making some money. Afterwards,
the meds were off, the pain becomes sharp. I wait
until about four or so to take my afternoon meds.

(19:40):
Then the pain is really bad. I will hopefully make
it to the pool swim stretch, and then by around
eight nine o'clock I'm just on the floor waiting to
take the afternoon meds that will put me to sleep
maybe around midnight, and then do it all over again.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I want to thank you for sharing that that story.
That's an honest story, and I want you to stick around.
And I want to get back to the financial investing
because we only tip tip of the ice, creare. I
want the people understand your value. And also you're in
the healthcare field as well, correct Jackson.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yes, yes, psycho psychiatry, child and adult psychiatry.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We want to talk about that a little bit. But
more importantly, I just wanted to talk to my audience
for a minute about not only fiscal responsibility, but mental responsibility. Well,
I look at my life, you know, it was really interesting, Jackson.
I will start thinking about what I didn't do in
my life. You know, that's a that's a that's a
place man, where you can wallow and pity. And if

(20:47):
I had done this, this could have happened. If I'd
done this, This could have happened if I'd have went
over here, if I wouldn't, And we can never get
into that point in our lives and regret what we've done.
We should only was on what we can do and
plan a better life, not only for yourself but for
your family. And that was one of the primary reasons Jackson.

(21:09):
I wanted to bring you back on the show because
I felt our interview was fantastic, but I really wanted
people hear the sacrifices that your family makes due to
this accident related injury that came into your life. You
didn't plan on living a life of chronic praining. Like
you said, you was bike riding, he was done the
Peach Tree five k race, and so you was active.

(21:32):
But you did not let a negative win in your life.
And that's important and that's part of your motivation. Now
I would assume correct.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yes, yes, and and when you get I call it
the dark and the light side of the force. Okay,
standing on that dark side, only focus on the things
you can't No nothing but misery over there. When you
make your life one hundred percent about what can I

(22:04):
do to maximize my life in the three or four
hours I have a day, You'll be you'll be shocked
at just what your mind comes up with. If you
have time to be us around or any of this
other stuff. You got to get you to get the business.
And that's how and that's how I focused myself.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Remember this. If you planning a vacation, think about it twice.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
You might want to invest.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
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today Jackson Dunbar.

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