September 23, 2025 • 34 mins
When we "try" we're really just giving ourselves permission to postpone success, is the message from Carla Ondrasik, author of "Stop Trying: The life-transforming power of trying less and doing more." Carla's book, which hits shelves today, outlines the steps and strategies to train your brain to filter out the noise, make choices, and step into the activity you've decided upon to meet a goal.
A successful music executive who discovered and signed her now-famous husband, John Ondrasik of Five for Fighting, Carla knows what she's talking about. She's been putting it into practice for a very long time hitting her targets in business, in her marathon running days, in parenting, and as the president of her HOA. Now she can add "author" to the list of accomplishments her philosophy has led her to.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I love my friend. As summer twenty twenty five fades away,
do you find yourself ruminating on all you'd hoped to do,
all the things you'd hope to accomplish, to sort it
out while the days were long and the light was bright,
and you had time and energy that's hard to find
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in the darker days of fallen winter. I checked a
few things off myse hour to do list, but actually
it was so hot at the ranch where I have
been living this year, didn't really feel like doing much
of anything but taking the kids to the Greek. We
don't have central air in the house, just one of
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those little in window units, so I didn't want to
be doing anything in the house. I didn't want to
be cooking. I certainly didn't want to be organizing and
getting all dusty and all the sun stuff I have
to do with things that I moved into storage containers. Nay, nay,
I just wanted to go to the creek. I did
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enjoy getting a few things accomplished, but like you know,
working in the garden, strolling through the garden, picking veggies
out of the garden. But mostly I just enjoyed my
kids and my grandkids and the summer. I was hoping
to have made more progress on several projects and goals,
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but you know, it was hot, it was sticky, it
was summer, and I didn't get it done. Story of
my life, you two. Motivator and speaker Carla Andrasik has
been developing her no Try Only Due philosophy for the
past two decades, researching, speaking, promoting her message directly to
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business organizations, women's leadership groups, and college prep schools. She's
the former VP of Creative Writer Development for EMI Music
when it was the largest music publisher in the world
and credited with the sales of millions of records worldwide
during her twenty year career. Carla plays hit songs with
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legends including Barbara streisand Johnny Mathis, Cher, Huey Lewis, Martina McBride,
Earth Wind and Fire, Mariah Carey in Sync, Christina Aguilera,
just to name a few. Included in that list is
her Grammy nominated singer songwriter husband, John Androssick, which is
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how we met because John has been on my show
on the air in my podcast years and years, and
when she met John, she discovered, signed, and developed John
Andrassik as five for Fighting recently, Carla has harnessed her
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proven abilities to cross a finish line in front of
the pack, her passion for motivation, and her skills with
communication to write a book Stop Trying, and It's just
hit store shelves. When it comes to getting stuff done,
we fall short more often than we like to admit,
leaving us with feelings of frustration, despair, even shame because
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despite trying our very best, we can't seem to meet
our goals. Carla says, the problem isn't that we're not
trying hard enough, it's that we're trying in the first place.
In her books Stop Trying, Carla reveals the compelling science
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behind our brain, our behaviors, and our beliefs when it
comes to the notion of trying. Pulling from positive psycho coology,
the science of habit formation, clinical studies, and her own experiences,
Carla guides us to goal achievement and a more fulfilling life.
It's going to be a pleasure talking to Carla Andrasic.
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like I know you. I've known your husband for how
many years have you and John been together?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Twenty seven years married and like thirty thirty one together?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, so you've been there the whole time. I think
I've known him because I've known him for like twenty
two years now. Yeah, but I've had him on my
show even before that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know so well, I would have to be in
the picture because I discovered him and I signed him
as a publisher, and then I got him his record deal.
So that's how we met.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So you signed him, you discovered his talent, you signed him,
and then you went, oh, by the way, you're pretty cute.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
On top of it all, he's such an amazing guy. Yeah. Yeah,
I really didn't want to date musicians, but he just
broke the mold. He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
What do you call a musician without a wife?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Homeless?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That is so great and so true. It's so true.
And so true.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You're his anchor.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh my god, every second of every day, you are
his muse. That is the most beautiful thing to hear.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I knew you were beautiful before I ever looked you up,
before I ever googled you years ago, based on the
smile that came across his face the minute he started
talking about you, Carla.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, I'm gonna be nicer to him now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So we're going to talk today, Carla, about your new book.
And I am so excited about this because, Uh, it's
something that I have been saying. My dad used to
say it all the time to me when we were
growing up. I would say, Dad, I can't. He would say,
you know, go mow the lawn, Go do this, go
do that. Like he never divided chores into boy girl things.
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It's like if the wood needs to be chopped, going
to go chop the wood. That's the way it is.
And I would say I can't, and he would always
say can't means you don't want to. That's what that means,
because if you want to, if you decide to do it,
you will figure out how to get it done without complaint.
And I use I hear those words coming out of
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my mouth every day, all day with my kids, without complaint,
figure out a way to get it done. And now
you've written a book and are sharing this philosophy with
so many people, Like I'm excited thinking about how we
can change the world for good by encouraging people to stop,
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to stop wasting their life and do it.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
One hundred percent. And the thing is is, we don't
even realize we're doing it. Like you had a dad
who highlighted that for you, and now you're carrying on
that with your children. But a lot of people they're
fooled by their They they're kind of tricked by thinking,
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you know, we're going to talk about the word try.
You know, we're we're limited with The book is called
stop Trying, and but we're fooled. We think that trying
means we're doing. So we're walking around millions of us
and it's really sad to me that we're tricking and
fooling ourselves into thinking we're actually doing and taking action
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when we're just trying. And that's because their parents encourage
them to try, you know, try harder, try your best,
try it again, just try it. You know, we're taught
that that's brave and a first step. But it's not
like I am so passionate about this and I'm shocked
that nobody's done it yet.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well somebody did. Somebody did, Yoda did.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh my gosh, yes, Yoda did.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yoda did. Yoda was the Yoda master. He taught us
thirty years ago, forty years ago, whatever that was.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You know. And you know what's so interesting that you
brought up Yoda? You know, yeah, millions of people know
that little thing do or do not? There is no
try and we're like, okay, no one's ever said why,
like why not? And even better is the line before
that in the movie is so important what Yoda says
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to Luke Skywalker right before he delivers the big wine.
Everybody knows. He says, you must unlearn what you have learned.
I get goosebumps when I think about that, because that's
my message, is you, everybody, we need to unlearn everything
we've learned about trying, just wipe it away or at
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least become really aware of what we're doing when we're
doing it. So that's so cool the Yoda. Yeah, Yoda
did say it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But now Yoda said it, and we just kind of
glossed over it. You know, there is no try. You're
either gonna do it or you're not gonna do it.
There's either do it or don't do it. And when
you get to the point where you can't do it, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Do it exactly. You know, it will reveal itself at
some point. So, you know, so trying, you know, so
we think that we're taught that trying is that brave
first step and that it's action. But in reality, and
I'm I'm going to start this campaign to change the
dictionary definition of try. You know, the definition is an
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attempt or an effort, but really, like really truly and
we already do know this in the back of our minds,
but trying is a half hearted attempt or an effort.
It is an all maybe kind of sort of do
it later if ish I feel like doing.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It, if I feel like doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, that's what trying means. And we do it for
so many reasons. You know. Number one, we fool ourselves
into thinking we're doing but number two, we we think
it's brave, but it's not doing is like trying is
dipping your tone in the water. Doing is you dive
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in and you sink or swim, Like, how are you
going to find out if you can succeed at something
if you don't do it right. And when you tell
your kids, you know, try your best on that test
that they're so worried about, you're not expecting success. It's
not guaranteed. Yeah you're going to get an A because
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you're not trying, but you're going to give yourself the
best chance at success by giving more of an effort
and doing effort. And you know, to the kid that says, Okay,
I'll try to do my best, they're probably not going
to study for an extra hour because, yeah, I'm trying.
It's kind of a half hearted attempt. I'll try. I
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don't really have to. I can rely on all these
excuses and blame and there's no accountability. You know, I
don't have to do it. I'm not held accountable. But
if I say I'm going to do something, now, i'm accountable.
I'm going to do my best. And the most important
thing is they're going to be accountable to themselves. So
when they do their best to get an A on
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the test or a B on the test or a
good grade and they don't, they can walk away going.
I did my best. I studied really hard, and I
know that that was the best that I could do,
and that's more valuable than the a you know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I've never been a parent to focus on grades,
but I do want you to do it whatever it is,
even if you do it poorly.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A soccer team or get the lead in the play
or whatever. Yeah, just do it, Just go do it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I love I love that you're sharing this message. Where
are you sharing this message? I know it's in the book,
which is available on your website. It's available where you
buy books, right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yep, it's uh. It comes out September twenty third, and
the book has sixteen chapters, which is it's an easy read,
like you can literally open it up on a flight
from LA to New York and be done with it
and change your life. I have an Instagram account where
I do daily hits of you know, little reminders and
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fun stories and examples about trying. So that's just at
Carla Androssic and then my website is stop dash trying
dot com. I'm speaking. I'm speaking to a really great
group of power women tonight, like all over the place
and anywhere I can. I just want to scream it
from the mountaintops and you know doing you know, speaking
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to people like you, Delilah, and you share just such
positivity into the world and it's amazing and so yeah,
that's where you could can find me. Instagram is really
one of my most.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Fun How many marathons? How many half marathons? Are marathons
do you do every year?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh? I was a runner, big time, and so I
would do many many half marathons. So because it's it's
thirteen miles for me, like a fun run on the
weekend was ten. I loved. I was like seven, eight, nine,
ten miles like a couple of times a week. But
you know, I'm sixty one now, so the body is
just like ugh. So I swim and that's been my
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favorite form of exercise and I love getting out and
hiking and walking. So no more running, which I am
definitely sad about because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Did you get obviously you did get the runners high.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh yeah, that's what keeps you wanting more and more.
But swimming, you know, there's a great story that I
would love to share about how it incorporates activity and
not trying okay, And I would take my kids to
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the bus every morning, and it was the same time,
five days a week.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
School drop off, and we're talking the bus stop, yeah,
bus stop, Yeah, we do that. We live out in
the country, so it's the bus stop. You're the bus
six fifty.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Every morning, I'd throw the dog in the car and
we was at the park that's where the bus picked
them up. So the kids would get on the bus.
And I'd see this one guy walking around the park
with these giant headphones on every day, like he's, you know,
just going around and around in the circle very slowly.
And I always wondered, like, what's he listening to? Is
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it five for Fighting? You know, like I wonder what
he's listening to. So but I never disturbed him. And
one day he had the headphones off, he was fiddling
with them. So I'm like, this is my this.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Is my chance, gotta find out. Are you listening to
Barbara Streissan? What do you got playing in there?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
My husband?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh? My god? So I said, hey, I see you
here all the time, and I'm just so curious, like
what are you listening to? He goes, oh, you know,
I listened to these you know, motivational talks and unmotivational
podcasts and all this self help because there's so many
things that I'm trying to do and I just can't
seem to get them done. And I hear the word try,
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I'm just like ding ding ding ding ding. My brain
goes all fire. So I said, tell me one thing
you're trying to do, and he goes, well, I'm trying
to get back into swimming, because you know I need exercise.
We have the brand new pool at the YMCA. And
I looked at this guy and I said, stop trying
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to go swim.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And go swim.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh my god, that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Exactly what are you doing here at the park if
you're trying to swim? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So he put the headphones on, he walked away, and
I thought, I have just ruined this beautiful, peaceful place.
He thinks I'm nuts. Cut to the next day, same
exact time, same exact parking bus. I get out of
the car and he's screaming across the park. I did it.
I didn't try. I went swimming. He's still swimming to
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this day. He changed his job, he's changed his life.
It was one twenty four hour flip of the switch
in his brain. But you know what, trying was thinking
about it, worrying about it, wondering about it, getting motivation
to do it. And we kind of think that we
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need to get motivated first, but really, as you know,
you do the action, do what it is, and then
your motivation follows, like, wow, I really enjoyed that. I
want to do it again. And then, you know, or
my body feels good from working out, so I'm going
to go keep working out, or you know, whatever it is.
I mean, I have books that sit on the side
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of my nightstand, okay, and I could say I'm trying
to find the time to read them, because when am
I you know, I got to feel inspired to pick
up the book and read it. But the minute I
just do it, I pick it up, I'm like, that's it.
I'm reading the book and I'm in two or three chapters.
I don't want to put it down now I'm motivated
to keep going, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So I just think that's so funny, just out of curiosity,
if you were to count how many books are on
your night stand, on your headboard, piled up on the
floor next to your bed. What are we talking about, Carla?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Give me, well, I'm going to tell you John reads
a book of night. He literally reads basically a book
a night because he doesn't sleep either. You know, he's
the rock guy and he's up and brain's going crazy.
And every time he finishes a book that he loves,
he puts it on my nightstand. So I have a hundred.
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They're stacked up on the floor. There's a couple right
now on next to my bed, and you know, by
the end of the day, I'm just so exhausted. I
can get through a chapter or two. But thanks to John,
there's an endless There.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is an endless. Now does he order them online or
does he do what I do and go into thrift
stores and find fascinating books.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's so I just spot I was on tour with
John over the summer and uh, oh gosh, what's the
book Truman Capoti, his famous book about the murders in
cold Blood, way in cold Blood, in cold Blood. Yeah,
so I was in a thrift store and it was,
you know, wrapped in plastic, and you know it was old,
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the pages were yellow. Let me just tell you the
book is on my bedstand. I've started it, okay, and
by the way, John's read it now and already put
it back on my nightstand. Okay. So it's like, you.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Know, this is great when you find those treasures. Now
people can find your treasure. Yeah, they can find stop trying,
they can stop trying to get to the book and
they'll actually open it up and read it. They'll stop
trying to get to the pool and they'll actually go
and dive in or wade in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, it's really important. It's so important, and I just
want to leave, like with a couple of things. You know,
think about all of us. If you're trying to schedule
your annual dermatology appointment, you know, I don't know, Delilah,
this may be you, but you know, oh, I'm trying
to find the time. I'm going to try to find
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a new doctor. I'm going to try to find the
best month. If you don't make that appointment, if you
keep trying to schedule that appointment, you might miss a
diagnosis that could change your life. Right, And so you
have to think about the things that you're trying to
do in your life. And are you trying to spend
more time with your partner? Are you trying to lower
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your salt intake for your health? Right? Like why are
we going to have heart those things? You know, think
about the things you're choosing to try to do, and
then the things that you're actually doing, and put some
weight into, you know, things that affect our health, health
and our happiness and the things that really matter. I
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just encourage everybody, like, don't don't try to do those things.
They're really important.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I think about, you know, twelve step meetings. I've sat
through a million, and there's a line that says, half
hearted efforts produce nothing. Our half hearted efforts will not
get us clean and sober. Our half hearted efforts are
what keep us stuck in our addictions. And it's so true.
Instead of seeing I'm trying to stop drinking while you're
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setting at a bar with a beer in your hand,
Go to a meeting, go to a meeting, call a sponsor,
do something. Do dude, don't try do if you could,
if you could, like speak to every kid that's every
youth that's at risk.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, I would love that. I would do that. If
you ever want me to do anything, I'm there. That
would be a beautiful goal.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, I think you have a beautiful message, a transforming
There's a lot of things you can read there's a
lot of things you can listen to, there's a lot
of things you can experience that will enhance your life
for a moment, but there's a handful of truths that
will change you on a cellular level and wrapping your
head around what you are speaking of, stop trying and
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just do it. That's one of those things that if
people can embrace it and make it a part of
their life, that's transformative forever, forever. Yeah, great message, stop.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Trying, Stop trying, everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Motivational speaker and author Carla Andrasik is giving us food
for thought today, telling us that the concept of trying
is actually self sabotaging. I'm taking notes. Are you more
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that people tend to try and try and try instead
of just taking the bowl by the horns and jumping
in and doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay? Well, one of the reasons that we try is
because we're so afraid to say no. Women, especially we
don't want to be the bad guy. We don't want
to own our intention, and so we think we're being
kind and we think we're being gentle and nice. So
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if someone invites us to a fundraiser, say on a
Friday night, we'll say, oh yeah, I'll try to be there,
or you know, I'll try to do that for you.
I'll try to make that connection because we don't want
to say no, we're not comfortable with it. So what
happens is you're telling them I'll try to be there,
and Friday night comes along in your home and you're
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exhausted and all you want to do is be in
your pajamas and make popcorn and watch TV. In your head,
you're like, oh my gosh, I said I would try
to go, I should go, I could go, I don't
really want to go. And now you can't even enjoy
your evening at home because in your mind you're just struggling, Oh,
want me to see them on Monday, but I didn't
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show up, and there's all that going on. Whereas if
you just say to that person when they're inviting you,
you know what, I really really appreciate that you're thinking
of me, it's not really something I'm into right now,
but could you please, you know, keep inviting me to
the next event, or I happen to know on Friday,
I'm going to have a busy week. I'm probably not
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going to want to, you know, make it out to
your event, but thank you anyway. And you know what
happens is you get to go home and have a
great night because you've said no, You've put a period
at the end of the sentence, and now you don't
have all that Oh my gosh, I should I could
you know, I'm gonna feel bad if I don't, and
you just get to go home and have your evening.
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And the other person now they're not sitting there going
you know, well, maybe I should wait ten more minutes
because my friend said they were going to try to come.
Maybe I'll order extra food for the whatever because my
friend said they try to come. Oh, I know that
she likes chardonnay instead of cabernet. I'm going to make
sure I have a bud, you know. So the other
person now knows you're not going to be there and
they can go on about their evening. And I think
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people respect you more when you are honest with them.
Because they deserve honesty, you know, and you could always say,
don't count on me. I'm going to say right now, no,
I'm not going to make it. But you know what,
you can be the surprise at that that night if
you decide you do want to go. Okay, guess what,
change my mind? I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's who wants to go anywhere on a Friday night.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
On a Monday night, or a Tuesday night, or a
Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So you know, that's one of the reasons that we
try because we think we're being nice and we're being kind,
but honestly, you're not being nice or kind to yourself,
and you're not being nice or kind to that person.
So I have a chapter in the book and there
is a test, like an exercise at the end of
the chapter where you can't say yes to anything that
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you don't want to do that week. And it's hard,
you know, but once you get to doing it, I'm
a champion. No if I don't want to do something now,
it's so clean, and people really respect you more because
they know they're going to get the truth from you,
and they're you know, you're giving them an honest answer.
So not trying happens when you learn to say now
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in set boundaries.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And so you said that one part of the book
has this test. Tell me about the different parts of
the book. There's what four parts?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, okay, so it's and I structured the book so
it's just easy, you know, boom boom boom. So the
first chat, Part one is why what it means to try?
And that's what do we think it means? And what
does it really mean? Number two is why do we
try in the first place? Three is how does that
hurt us in our life? The collateral damage of trying?
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And then part four is moving forward, how do you
stop trying? And there's you know, really great trip tricks
and exercises and things that you can do throughout the book.
And so that's it. It's one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Stop Trying available now now, right now.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Write today. Today's a big day, do it?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Are you going to have a party or anything today
to celebrate that? Today is the actual big release date.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We are having an event at Diesel Bookstore in Brentwood
tomorrow on September twenty fourth. So that's happening and it's
going to be wonderful and I'll be reading from the
book and signing books and just gathering all the people
that have been a big part of this. So yeah,
that's tomorrow. Today, I'll probably just have a beautiful dinner
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with my family because we're all so proud of me,
and it's you know, I'm so happy to be able
to show my kids. So you can think about something
and take action and make it happen. And this is
a really big thing and I'm really proud of myself
for doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You should be, so look up. People can look up
the book again, go to your website, or after September
twenty third, can I get it on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's already available on Amazon. Now pre order the book.
It'll be in your mailbox on September twenty third, and
the audiobook will be available as well.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Who's reading your audiobook?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Me?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I get to be in the studio? Oh? Good for you.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That's fun, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Oh my gosh. I had to audition for it, which
is crazy. So John brought me up to the studio
and we picked a chapter and it was really fun.
So yeah, I'm getting to do all kinds of new
things that I've never done. So I'm going to be
in the studio.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That is awesome. Okay, I can't wait to get that too,
Carla Andrasa give my love to John. I love you guys,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Trying is merely a concept, whereas doing is an action.
So all those times we tried to fill in the blank,
we tried to lose weight, we tried to get to
the gym, We tried to work out, we tried to
get in shape, tried to clean the house, We tried
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to empty those boxes, but didn't hit the goal. Our
brains were tricking us into believing we were making progress,
because trying gives us permission to make half hearted attempts,
gives us permission to procrastinate, and eventually it invites failure.
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Carla knows how to turn things around and shares her
proven methods in her new release, Stop Trying. The book
is available now. When she's not writing or speaking, Carla
continues to mentor and promote the current generation of music makers.
She's the mother of two adult children, the president of
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her neighborhood HOA, and sits on the board of the
nonprofit Aggie's Quest to Cure Als. She and her husband
John live in southern California with their doggo in her
and cooking, reading and gardening as her most favorite hobbies.
I'm so glad Carla found the time to chat with
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us today about how to be intentional in our commitments
and goal setting, so that when this season is passed
into the next, we find ourselves celebrating our accomplishments more
than regretting our inability to get anything done. You can
find this book Stop Trying, at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble,
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or just go to our web page Carla Ondrasick dot com,
Carla c A R l a o n d r
Asik on Rawsick, where you can learn more about Carla,
reads some of the books rave reviews, and follow the
purchase links she's provided. Once you've checked that off your list,
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through all the craziness together
I love my friend. As summer twenty twenty five fades away,
do you find yourself ruminating on all you'd hoped to do,
all the things you'd hope to accomplish, to sort it
out while the days were long and the light was bright,
and you had time and energy that's hard to find
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in the darker days of fallen winter. I checked a
few things off myse hour to do list, but actually
it was so hot at the ranch where I have
been living this year, didn't really feel like doing much
of anything but taking the kids to the Greek. We
don't have central air in the house, just one of
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those little in window units, so I didn't want to
be doing anything in the house. I didn't want to
be cooking. I certainly didn't want to be organizing and
getting all dusty and all the sun stuff I have
to do with things that I moved into storage containers. Nay, nay,
I just wanted to go to the creek. I did
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enjoy getting a few things accomplished, but like you know,
working in the garden, strolling through the garden, picking veggies
out of the garden. But mostly I just enjoyed my
kids and my grandkids and the summer. I was hoping
to have made more progress on several projects and goals,
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but you know, it was hot, it was sticky, it
was summer, and I didn't get it done. Story of
my life, you two. Motivator and speaker Carla Andrasik has
been developing her no Try Only Due philosophy for the
past two decades, researching, speaking, promoting her message directly to
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business organizations, women's leadership groups, and college prep schools. She's
the former VP of Creative Writer Development for EMI Music
when it was the largest music publisher in the world
and credited with the sales of millions of records worldwide
during her twenty year career. Carla plays hit songs with
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legends including Barbara streisand Johnny Mathis, Cher, Huey Lewis, Martina McBride,
Earth Wind and Fire, Mariah Carey in Sync, Christina Aguilera,
just to name a few. Included in that list is
her Grammy nominated singer songwriter husband, John Androssick, which is
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how we met because John has been on my show
on the air in my podcast years and years, and
when she met John, she discovered, signed, and developed John
Andrassik as five for Fighting recently, Carla has harnessed her
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proven abilities to cross a finish line in front of
the pack, her passion for motivation, and her skills with
communication to write a book Stop Trying, and It's just
hit store shelves. When it comes to getting stuff done,
we fall short more often than we like to admit,
leaving us with feelings of frustration, despair, even shame because
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despite trying our very best, we can't seem to meet
our goals. Carla says, the problem isn't that we're not
trying hard enough, it's that we're trying in the first place.
In her books Stop Trying, Carla reveals the compelling science
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behind our brain, our behaviors, and our beliefs when it
comes to the notion of trying. Pulling from positive psycho coology,
the science of habit formation, clinical studies, and her own experiences,
Carla guides us to goal achievement and a more fulfilling life.
It's going to be a pleasure talking to Carla Andrasic.
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like I know you. I've known your husband for how
many years have you and John been together?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Twenty seven years married and like thirty thirty one together?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, so you've been there the whole time. I think
I've known him because I've known him for like twenty
two years now. Yeah, but I've had him on my
show even before that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know so well, I would have to be in
the picture because I discovered him and I signed him
as a publisher, and then I got him his record deal.
So that's how we met.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So you signed him, you discovered his talent, you signed him,
and then you went, oh, by the way, you're pretty cute.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
On top of it all, he's such an amazing guy. Yeah. Yeah,
I really didn't want to date musicians, but he just
broke the mold. He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
What do you call a musician without a wife?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Homeless?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That is so great and so true. It's so true.
And so true.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You're his anchor.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh my god, every second of every day, you are
his muse. That is the most beautiful thing to hear.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I knew you were beautiful before I ever looked you up,
before I ever googled you years ago, based on the
smile that came across his face the minute he started
talking about you, Carla.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, I'm gonna be nicer to him now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So we're going to talk today, Carla, about your new book.
And I am so excited about this because, Uh, it's
something that I have been saying. My dad used to
say it all the time to me when we were
growing up. I would say, Dad, I can't. He would say,
you know, go mow the lawn, Go do this, go
do that. Like he never divided chores into boy girl things.
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It's like if the wood needs to be chopped, going
to go chop the wood. That's the way it is.
And I would say I can't, and he would always
say can't means you don't want to. That's what that means,
because if you want to, if you decide to do it,
you will figure out how to get it done without complaint.
And I use I hear those words coming out of
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my mouth every day, all day with my kids, without complaint,
figure out a way to get it done. And now
you've written a book and are sharing this philosophy with
so many people, Like I'm excited thinking about how we
can change the world for good by encouraging people to stop,
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to stop wasting their life and do it.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
One hundred percent. And the thing is is, we don't
even realize we're doing it. Like you had a dad
who highlighted that for you, and now you're carrying on
that with your children. But a lot of people they're
fooled by their They they're kind of tricked by thinking,
(09:02):
you know, we're going to talk about the word try.
You know, we're we're limited with The book is called
stop Trying, and but we're fooled. We think that trying
means we're doing. So we're walking around millions of us
and it's really sad to me that we're tricking and
fooling ourselves into thinking we're actually doing and taking action
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when we're just trying. And that's because their parents encourage
them to try, you know, try harder, try your best,
try it again, just try it. You know, we're taught
that that's brave and a first step. But it's not
like I am so passionate about this and I'm shocked
that nobody's done it yet.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well somebody did. Somebody did, Yoda did.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh my gosh, yes, Yoda did.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yoda did. Yoda was the Yoda master. He taught us
thirty years ago, forty years ago, whatever that was.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You know. And you know what's so interesting that you
brought up Yoda? You know, yeah, millions of people know
that little thing do or do not? There is no
try and we're like, okay, no one's ever said why,
like why not? And even better is the line before
that in the movie is so important what Yoda says
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to Luke Skywalker right before he delivers the big wine.
Everybody knows. He says, you must unlearn what you have learned.
I get goosebumps when I think about that, because that's
my message, is you, everybody, we need to unlearn everything
we've learned about trying, just wipe it away or at
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least become really aware of what we're doing when we're
doing it. So that's so cool the Yoda. Yeah, Yoda
did say it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But now Yoda said it, and we just kind of
glossed over it. You know, there is no try. You're
either gonna do it or you're not gonna do it.
There's either do it or don't do it. And when
you get to the point where you can't do it, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Do it exactly. You know, it will reveal itself at
some point. So, you know, so trying, you know, so
we think that we're taught that trying is that brave
first step and that it's action. But in reality, and
I'm I'm going to start this campaign to change the
dictionary definition of try. You know, the definition is an
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attempt or an effort, but really, like really truly and
we already do know this in the back of our minds,
but trying is a half hearted attempt or an effort.
It is an all maybe kind of sort of do
it later if ish I feel like doing.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It, if I feel like doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, that's what trying means. And we do it for
so many reasons. You know. Number one, we fool ourselves
into thinking we're doing but number two, we we think
it's brave, but it's not doing is like trying is
dipping your tone in the water. Doing is you dive
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in and you sink or swim, Like, how are you
going to find out if you can succeed at something
if you don't do it right. And when you tell
your kids, you know, try your best on that test
that they're so worried about, you're not expecting success. It's
not guaranteed. Yeah you're going to get an A because
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you're not trying, but you're going to give yourself the
best chance at success by giving more of an effort
and doing effort. And you know, to the kid that says, Okay,
I'll try to do my best, they're probably not going
to study for an extra hour because, yeah, I'm trying.
It's kind of a half hearted attempt. I'll try. I
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don't really have to. I can rely on all these
excuses and blame and there's no accountability. You know, I
don't have to do it. I'm not held accountable. But
if I say I'm going to do something, now, i'm accountable.
I'm going to do my best. And the most important
thing is they're going to be accountable to themselves. So
when they do their best to get an A on
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the test or a B on the test or a
good grade and they don't, they can walk away going.
I did my best. I studied really hard, and I
know that that was the best that I could do,
and that's more valuable than the a you know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I've never been a parent to focus on grades,
but I do want you to do it whatever it is,
even if you do it poorly.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A soccer team or get the lead in the play
or whatever. Yeah, just do it, Just go do it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I love I love that you're sharing this message. Where
are you sharing this message? I know it's in the book,
which is available on your website. It's available where you
buy books, right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yep, it's uh. It comes out September twenty third, and
the book has sixteen chapters, which is it's an easy read,
like you can literally open it up on a flight
from LA to New York and be done with it
and change your life. I have an Instagram account where
I do daily hits of you know, little reminders and
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fun stories and examples about trying. So that's just at
Carla Androssic and then my website is stop dash trying
dot com. I'm speaking. I'm speaking to a really great
group of power women tonight, like all over the place
and anywhere I can. I just want to scream it
from the mountaintops and you know doing you know, speaking
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to people like you, Delilah, and you share just such
positivity into the world and it's amazing and so yeah,
that's where you could can find me. Instagram is really
one of my most.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Fun How many marathons? How many half marathons? Are marathons
do you do every year?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh? I was a runner, big time, and so I
would do many many half marathons. So because it's it's
thirteen miles for me, like a fun run on the
weekend was ten. I loved. I was like seven, eight, nine,
ten miles like a couple of times a week. But
you know, I'm sixty one now, so the body is
just like ugh. So I swim and that's been my
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favorite form of exercise and I love getting out and
hiking and walking. So no more running, which I am
definitely sad about because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Did you get obviously you did get the runners high.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh yeah, that's what keeps you wanting more and more.
But swimming, you know, there's a great story that I
would love to share about how it incorporates activity and
not trying okay, And I would take my kids to
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the bus every morning, and it was the same time,
five days a week.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
School drop off, and we're talking the bus stop, yeah,
bus stop, Yeah, we do that. We live out in
the country, so it's the bus stop. You're the bus
six fifty.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Every morning, I'd throw the dog in the car and
we was at the park that's where the bus picked
them up. So the kids would get on the bus.
And I'd see this one guy walking around the park
with these giant headphones on every day, like he's, you know,
just going around and around in the circle very slowly.
And I always wondered, like, what's he listening to? Is
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it five for Fighting? You know, like I wonder what
he's listening to. So but I never disturbed him. And
one day he had the headphones off, he was fiddling
with them. So I'm like, this is my this.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Is my chance, gotta find out. Are you listening to
Barbara Streissan? What do you got playing in there?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
My husband?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh? My god? So I said, hey, I see you
here all the time, and I'm just so curious, like
what are you listening to? He goes, oh, you know,
I listened to these you know, motivational talks and unmotivational
podcasts and all this self help because there's so many
things that I'm trying to do and I just can't
seem to get them done. And I hear the word try,
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I'm just like ding ding ding ding ding. My brain
goes all fire. So I said, tell me one thing
you're trying to do, and he goes, well, I'm trying
to get back into swimming, because you know I need exercise.
We have the brand new pool at the YMCA. And
I looked at this guy and I said, stop trying
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to go swim.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And go swim.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh my god, that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Exactly what are you doing here at the park if
you're trying to swim? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So he put the headphones on, he walked away, and
I thought, I have just ruined this beautiful, peaceful place.
He thinks I'm nuts. Cut to the next day, same
exact time, same exact parking bus. I get out of
the car and he's screaming across the park. I did it.
I didn't try. I went swimming. He's still swimming to
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this day. He changed his job, he's changed his life.
It was one twenty four hour flip of the switch
in his brain. But you know what, trying was thinking
about it, worrying about it, wondering about it, getting motivation
to do it. And we kind of think that we
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need to get motivated first, but really, as you know,
you do the action, do what it is, and then
your motivation follows, like, wow, I really enjoyed that. I
want to do it again. And then, you know, or
my body feels good from working out, so I'm going
to go keep working out, or you know, whatever it is.
I mean, I have books that sit on the side
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of my nightstand, okay, and I could say I'm trying
to find the time to read them, because when am
I you know, I got to feel inspired to pick
up the book and read it. But the minute I
just do it, I pick it up, I'm like, that's it.
I'm reading the book and I'm in two or three chapters.
I don't want to put it down now I'm motivated
to keep going, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So I just think that's so funny, just out of curiosity,
if you were to count how many books are on
your night stand, on your headboard, piled up on the
floor next to your bed. What are we talking about, Carla?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Give me, well, I'm going to tell you John reads
a book of night. He literally reads basically a book
a night because he doesn't sleep either. You know, he's
the rock guy and he's up and brain's going crazy.
And every time he finishes a book that he loves,
he puts it on my nightstand. So I have a hundred.
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They're stacked up on the floor. There's a couple right
now on next to my bed, and you know, by
the end of the day, I'm just so exhausted. I
can get through a chapter or two. But thanks to John,
there's an endless There.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is an endless. Now does he order them online or
does he do what I do and go into thrift
stores and find fascinating books.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's so I just spot I was on tour with
John over the summer and uh, oh gosh, what's the
book Truman Capoti, his famous book about the murders in
cold Blood, way in cold Blood, in cold Blood. Yeah,
so I was in a thrift store and it was,
you know, wrapped in plastic, and you know it was old,
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the pages were yellow. Let me just tell you the
book is on my bedstand. I've started it, okay, and
by the way, John's read it now and already put
it back on my nightstand. Okay. So it's like, you.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Know, this is great when you find those treasures. Now
people can find your treasure. Yeah, they can find stop trying,
they can stop trying to get to the book and
they'll actually open it up and read it. They'll stop
trying to get to the pool and they'll actually go
and dive in or wade in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, it's really important. It's so important, and I just
want to leave, like with a couple of things. You know,
think about all of us. If you're trying to schedule
your annual dermatology appointment, you know, I don't know, Delilah,
this may be you, but you know, oh, I'm trying
to find the time. I'm going to try to find
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a new doctor. I'm going to try to find the
best month. If you don't make that appointment, if you
keep trying to schedule that appointment, you might miss a
diagnosis that could change your life. Right, And so you
have to think about the things that you're trying to
do in your life. And are you trying to spend
more time with your partner? Are you trying to lower
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your salt intake for your health? Right? Like why are
we going to have heart those things? You know, think
about the things you're choosing to try to do, and
then the things that you're actually doing, and put some
weight into, you know, things that affect our health, health
and our happiness and the things that really matter. I
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just encourage everybody, like, don't don't try to do those things.
They're really important.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I think about, you know, twelve step meetings. I've sat
through a million, and there's a line that says, half
hearted efforts produce nothing. Our half hearted efforts will not
get us clean and sober. Our half hearted efforts are
what keep us stuck in our addictions. And it's so true.
Instead of seeing I'm trying to stop drinking while you're
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setting at a bar with a beer in your hand,
Go to a meeting, go to a meeting, call a sponsor,
do something. Do dude, don't try do if you could,
if you could, like speak to every kid that's every
youth that's at risk.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, I would love that. I would do that. If
you ever want me to do anything, I'm there. That
would be a beautiful goal.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, I think you have a beautiful message, a transforming
There's a lot of things you can read there's a
lot of things you can listen to, there's a lot
of things you can experience that will enhance your life
for a moment, but there's a handful of truths that
will change you on a cellular level and wrapping your
head around what you are speaking of, stop trying and
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just do it. That's one of those things that if
people can embrace it and make it a part of
their life, that's transformative forever, forever. Yeah, great message, stop.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Trying, Stop trying, everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Motivational speaker and author Carla Andrasik is giving us food
for thought today, telling us that the concept of trying
is actually self sabotaging. I'm taking notes. Are you more
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that people tend to try and try and try instead
of just taking the bowl by the horns and jumping
in and doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay? Well, one of the reasons that we try is
because we're so afraid to say no. Women, especially we
don't want to be the bad guy. We don't want
to own our intention, and so we think we're being
kind and we think we're being gentle and nice. So
(25:58):
if someone invites us to a fundraiser, say on a
Friday night, we'll say, oh yeah, I'll try to be there,
or you know, I'll try to do that for you.
I'll try to make that connection because we don't want
to say no, we're not comfortable with it. So what
happens is you're telling them I'll try to be there,
and Friday night comes along in your home and you're
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exhausted and all you want to do is be in
your pajamas and make popcorn and watch TV. In your head,
you're like, oh my gosh, I said I would try
to go, I should go, I could go, I don't
really want to go. And now you can't even enjoy
your evening at home because in your mind you're just struggling, Oh,
want me to see them on Monday, but I didn't
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show up, and there's all that going on. Whereas if
you just say to that person when they're inviting you,
you know what, I really really appreciate that you're thinking
of me, it's not really something I'm into right now,
but could you please, you know, keep inviting me to
the next event, or I happen to know on Friday,
I'm going to have a busy week. I'm probably not
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going to want to, you know, make it out to
your event, but thank you anyway. And you know what
happens is you get to go home and have a
great night because you've said no, You've put a period
at the end of the sentence, and now you don't
have all that Oh my gosh, I should I could
you know, I'm gonna feel bad if I don't, and
you just get to go home and have your evening.
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And the other person now they're not sitting there going
you know, well, maybe I should wait ten more minutes
because my friend said they were going to try to come.
Maybe I'll order extra food for the whatever because my
friend said they try to come. Oh, I know that
she likes chardonnay instead of cabernet. I'm going to make
sure I have a bud, you know. So the other
person now knows you're not going to be there and
they can go on about their evening. And I think
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people respect you more when you are honest with them.
Because they deserve honesty, you know, and you could always say,
don't count on me. I'm going to say right now, no,
I'm not going to make it. But you know what,
you can be the surprise at that that night if
you decide you do want to go. Okay, guess what,
change my mind? I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's who wants to go anywhere on a Friday night.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
On a Monday night, or a Tuesday night, or a
Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So you know, that's one of the reasons that we
try because we think we're being nice and we're being kind,
but honestly, you're not being nice or kind to yourself,
and you're not being nice or kind to that person.
So I have a chapter in the book and there
is a test, like an exercise at the end of
the chapter where you can't say yes to anything that
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you don't want to do that week. And it's hard,
you know, but once you get to doing it, I'm
a champion. No if I don't want to do something now,
it's so clean, and people really respect you more because
they know they're going to get the truth from you,
and they're you know, you're giving them an honest answer.
So not trying happens when you learn to say now
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in set boundaries.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And so you said that one part of the book
has this test. Tell me about the different parts of
the book. There's what four parts?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, okay, so it's and I structured the book so
it's just easy, you know, boom boom boom. So the
first chat, Part one is why what it means to try?
And that's what do we think it means? And what
does it really mean? Number two is why do we
try in the first place? Three is how does that
hurt us in our life? The collateral damage of trying?
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And then part four is moving forward, how do you
stop trying? And there's you know, really great trip tricks
and exercises and things that you can do throughout the book.
And so that's it. It's one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Stop Trying available now now, right now.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Write today. Today's a big day, do it?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Are you going to have a party or anything today
to celebrate that? Today is the actual big release date.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We are having an event at Diesel Bookstore in Brentwood
tomorrow on September twenty fourth. So that's happening and it's
going to be wonderful and I'll be reading from the
book and signing books and just gathering all the people
that have been a big part of this. So yeah,
that's tomorrow. Today, I'll probably just have a beautiful dinner
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with my family because we're all so proud of me,
and it's you know, I'm so happy to be able
to show my kids. So you can think about something
and take action and make it happen. And this is
a really big thing and I'm really proud of myself
for doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You should be, so look up. People can look up
the book again, go to your website, or after September
twenty third, can I get it on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's already available on Amazon. Now pre order the book.
It'll be in your mailbox on September twenty third, and
the audiobook will be available as well.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Who's reading your audiobook?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Me?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I get to be in the studio? Oh? Good for you.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That's fun, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Oh my gosh. I had to audition for it, which
is crazy. So John brought me up to the studio
and we picked a chapter and it was really fun.
So yeah, I'm getting to do all kinds of new
things that I've never done. So I'm going to be
in the studio.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That is awesome. Okay, I can't wait to get that too,
Carla Andrasa give my love to John. I love you guys,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Trying is merely a concept, whereas doing is an action.
So all those times we tried to fill in the blank,
we tried to lose weight, we tried to get to
the gym, We tried to work out, we tried to
get in shape, tried to clean the house, We tried
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to empty those boxes, but didn't hit the goal. Our
brains were tricking us into believing we were making progress,
because trying gives us permission to make half hearted attempts,
gives us permission to procrastinate, and eventually it invites failure.
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Carla knows how to turn things around and shares her
proven methods in her new release, Stop Trying. The book
is available now. When she's not writing or speaking, Carla
continues to mentor and promote the current generation of music makers.
She's the mother of two adult children, the president of
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her neighborhood HOA, and sits on the board of the
nonprofit Aggie's Quest to Cure Als. She and her husband
John live in southern California with their doggo in her
and cooking, reading and gardening as her most favorite hobbies.
I'm so glad Carla found the time to chat with
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us today about how to be intentional in our commitments
and goal setting, so that when this season is passed
into the next, we find ourselves celebrating our accomplishments more
than regretting our inability to get anything done. You can
find this book Stop Trying, at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble,
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or just go to our web page Carla Ondrasick dot com,
Carla c A R l a o n d r
Asik on Rawsick, where you can learn more about Carla,
reads some of the books rave reviews, and follow the
purchase links she's provided. Once you've checked that off your list,
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cozy up with a mug of Pumpkins spiced tea. Find
my radio show on a local station or on the
iHeartRadio app. The fall season is jask getting started, and
I'll be on the air every night to share stories, music,
and of course inspiration from the heart. We will get
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through all the craziness together
Host
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