Gun Radio Utah: Alan Gotlieb

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Across from from my co host and director of the
Utah Shooting Sports Council, Bill Patterson, in your red r
s O. Yeah, you're kind of really stand out there, Bill.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, and welcome to Salt Lake City. Thanks, I've been
here before. Thank you very much. Yeah, we've got a
heck of a show for you today. Let me tell
you we are going to have the founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottliebaan third segment. So that's going
to be that's exciting. Of course, this is leading up

(00:34):
to next week where we will be broadcasting live from
Gun Rights Policy Conference. I will be you will be
Where will you be in Paris? No, actually I think
I'm in Barcelona. Wherever You're going to be in Paris
sometime next week? And oh you should. You should take
some time out and ride the ride the subways. Yeah,

(00:55):
they smelled like p they do that way.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I want to go up to Normandy.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Okay, let's take the subway there. I don't know if
they have the subway there.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So yeah, So yeah, we're gonna have Alan Gottliebaan. That's
gonna be fun because we're gonna be talking. I want
to talk about the Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Rights
Policy Conference and both of those. But today early we
got we went out to what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Is it Cedar Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
What's the name of the I mean, it's in Utah County,
Western Utah.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
County, Western Utah County. It's passed on the far on
the other side south of Cedar Fort. Yeah, out in
the middle of nowhere, across way way way across from
Utah Lake.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, not close to five mile past Fairview.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Anyway, we went out there to the farm there you
go where we helped out with the UH And it's
every time this year. We've done this for the last
what four years, I guess Silencer co employee shoot which
sounds scary at first, doesn't it Like you go through
a lot of employees, But it's a time where they

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allow their employees to come out. And some of these employees,
these are administrative employees or machine shop employees, C and
Z people or or something like that that you know,
have an ancillary association with the suppressors themselves with the
finished product. But they get shoot and they got to
shoot handguns, rifles. I don't know if there's any shotguns. Yeah,

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there were some shotguns. I believe. So okay, machine gun, definitely,
some machine guns suppress suppressed.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Lots of everything was suppressed, almost everything. Some of the
old World War two. Oh you're right, we add that
is correct. Was not Swedish k that's for that's that's
for Casey Jane. I had to shoot that and get
a video of that each year because her people gun
to shoot because it's it's it's so slow though too slow,
but it's it's smooth.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It is smooth. It is smooth. Yeah, it's uh but yeah,
so we got that. And when we say slow, I
think it was probably in the city hundred rounds a minute,
as opposed to like a mac which is you know,
in the eleven or twelve hundred rounds. Anyway, so that
was a lot of fun. And we're gonna actually have
Trevor Trevor Popham, who's the marketing guy and no, no

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excuse me, not marketing event event managery, the event coordinator
for Silent tir Co. But but that was a lot
of fun. I just got back from a really fantastic
week long vacation with the in laws. Went with the inlaws.
You know, not many people could say, hey, you know,
no not Yosemite.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
See did I say that because I'm just trying to
j Yeah, you are going to mess me up.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's Yellowstone.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You've been saying it all day.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I don't know what the deal is, but my brain
knows Yellowstone. But I say Yosemite. Now I'm gonna have
to go to Yosemite. So anyway, so not many people
would say, Hey, that sounds like a fun thing to do.
Let's go with the in laws to to on vacate.
It was fun, Tim and Fran there, they're a lot
of fun. They're a lot of fun and uh like

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to get into good discussions about uh everything from Trump
to Charlie Kirk uh on with with uh with my
mother and La frand she's great on that.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So that's uh, that was a lot of fun. And
then uh, what do you Oh did you try these?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Did you try the the uh the pickle the dill
pickle flavored cashews?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I get with Casey and find out where she
got gets those.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
She always has she's always has the healthy I don't
know how healthy those are, the healthy snacks. And so
then she she got these these little bags of crunchy
roasted at mam May ed, may you know what that is.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
It's soybeans. It's soybeans.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
But if they put crunchy roasted soybeans, no, not as fancy,
not not so fancy. So anyway, yeah, so we're gonna
have that. But uh so yellows Yellowstone, I gotta tell you.
And Grand Tetons, obviously I'm carrying a gun or two
or three, yeah, two or three sometimes. And so we

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get we the first day we get there, we take
the tram up and Grand Titans up from Titan Village
up the tram. First thing I see a gun, a
gun with a I'm thinking a gun, hey, with a
line through it. No gun's allowed. And I look around,
and I look around because I have at least one
gun on and not visible. It was discreetly maintained. But no, uh,

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there's no there's no metal detectors, there's nobody patting you down,
there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
To go through.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I just I just did not say anything. I pretended
to avert my gaze from the no gun sign. And
if it was discovered, I would say, well, they need
to make that sign a lot bigger because and and
they need to really have have like stars around it.
So the criminals know not to bring a gun on there.

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But yeah, I guess you said the honor system. Yeah,
I think it's pretty much the honor system. So anyway,
then off to now the rest of the park. Because
it's a national park, it is a free for all
for as far as guns go. As long as you
lawfully possess the gun, and can lawfully possess the gun

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in Wyoming, then yeah, you can carry that gun on
the trails and two moose falls.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
No, that's in Yellowstone anyway, So you can carry the
gun around.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Now, you're not supposed to shoot the animals or shoot anything.
You're not supposed to shoot the animals. And I did
find out though in well I'll tell you that anyway.
So we went to Yellowstone and obviously you can carry.
You can carry in Yellowstone, and this has been the
this has been the fact for about I don't know,

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thirteen fourteen years now. Obama signed that into law under
the Credit Card Reform Act, which had nothing to do
with credit cards. But anyway, so carrying there. Now the
visitors center at the park, there's a no gun sign
there too, and it's a little different because under it

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it has the federal regulation restricting restrict That is an absolutely,
that's not a it's a good idea. No, that is
the law. And then the general store had a different sign.
It had no gun sign, but there was no federal
restriction under there because there's no park employees that work
inside that store. Anyway, Neither one of them bill had

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metal detectors.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
So well, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
There you go. Anyway, I am going to learn a
few phrases.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
How do you? I mean, how do you? I don't know.
I would have probably asked someone, how do you enforce this?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Really, I'm carrying a gun and I'm gonna do Yeah,
you know, I'm gonna They're gonna they're gonna point it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
We used to get up to Jackson Hole a lot,
and I remember Hannah and I'd go on hikes and
I saw a lot of people from out of state
open carry in.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Really I didn't see anybody open carrying.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
It was a little cooler, but not cold.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Definitely it was I don't think it got over seventy
four the whole time there, but there were some cool times.
Up on the top of the tram it was thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I think.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Anyway, one thing I am going to learn a few
phrases in most of the Asian languages. One one that
says the bus is leaving now. Hurry, the bus is
leaving now. And two Petting the fluffy cows is good luck.
Pet the fuf fluffy cows for good luck. Anyway, when

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we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, what are we doing.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
We're doing Silence or Co. Right, is that yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Actually, yeah, we've got Silencer Co's going to join us
this next segment, So stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Stay tuned, We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
And we are we are here, we are at We're
in by Cedar Fort, We're by Eagle Mountain, and we're
at the silenter.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Bill?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
See Bill, you need to You don't have your microphone
so no one can hear what the heck you're saying.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
And we this is Clark.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
This is Clark Apotion and I am joined by We
are joined by Trevor Popham. Trevor is the event manager
for Silence or Co. And Trevor Silent CCO has so
many events they need a manager.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Is that right, Yes, sir, yes, glad to be here
first of all, and then yeah, we have lots of events,
lots of different markets, anything from shot show to any
kind of grassroots thing.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like, oh, of course you do all that stuff. Okay
in the field marketing director, were not just employee shoots.
Do you go through a lot of employees like that
with employee shoots?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Anyway? Sorry, this is no apologies anyways, continued Diriver. Sorry.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, So we cover all kinds of markets, a lot
of non endemic but adjacent markets. Most recently we got
out to an Overland of America festival, so we kind
of cover everybody.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, So Silencer Co. You're a Utah company, Yes, sir,
born and born and raised right here in Utah, Lee.
Silencer Coe is out in West Valley City.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, we're in West Valley City.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
We got started in two thousand and eight, started with
the Sparrow.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Twenty two suppressor. Yes, sir, that's a big sello. That's
still a Stalworth can, isn't.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
It It is.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that it's the most
sold suppressor of all time.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
In the world. Man. Yeah, I mean it's it's been
out there. Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So we've toured, Actually, Bill and I have both towards
your facility and so impressed one.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Medical operating room clean in all you know your CNCs
and everything is so immaculate, and I guess you can't
have it just as the you know, Grandpa's old machine
shop anymore, can you.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, we kind of we outgrew that phase of the
company and now very clean. We have a fantastic team
in the shop. We actually have the machines are operating
nearly twenty four to seven. We have a day and
a night crew and a weekend shift, so outside of
Sundays where those machines are turning.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, so today we're at the employee shoot. How many
how many employees do you have to silence or co have?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can you? Can you let that info out?

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah, that's that's not redacted information at all.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Not right?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Around three hundred and fifty employees.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, Okay, you had a lot and they brought some
of their family with them too.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
It looks like, yes, yeah, this employee appreciation shoot. We
like to do this once a year, just let everybody
come out, bring friends and family and tell us.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Tell us some of the gun they got to shoot
some of the suppressed.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Guns, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, so we got to bring out a lot of
stuff we got to showcase, you know, some of our
newer products, some of our legacy stuff like the thirty
six M. We had some World War Two guns out there,
all kinds of stuff. We had a Doe nine millimeter
that's fulatto.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So basically that's an AR fifteen. That's a super shorty
and it's in nine mil. And it was it was
it was contracted by Department of Energy, I guess way
back when.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, So it was the for their personal security for
all of the nuclear sites. It was their weapon of
choice and it the full lot of It's probably one
of the fastest ful autos that we have.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
It is fast.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's like that that mac alevenue
you've got.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah. So anyway, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay, So I know the Sparrow is a big seller,
the Scythe tell us about the scythe TI.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, So recently, at least for the last decade, the
Sparrow has been our most sold suppressor, and recently the
scythe titanium version has its neck and neck with it.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Some months it's it's outsold to Sparo. Some months it's
a little below. But our PSYCHTI is very popular against
with fair chase, hunters and any kind of back country
you know, hunting, and so that's extremely popular with everybody.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay, so who uses your who buys a silence or
code suppressor?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
We think that we have a suppressor for just about
everybody in the market. So we have stuff from hunting
suppressors down to pistol suppressors like the Specter, which is
also titanium but rated for three undred blackout and eight
six blockout, all the way to our full auto duty
cans which are printed with three dankanel and have low
back pressure technologies in canal.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
That's cool stuff, yes, sir, yeah, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You make them for pistols, you make them for rifles,
you make them for filados. And you also were the
first one to come out with a shotgun suppressure.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, sir, Yeah, our Salvo twelve.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
It was very unique, so you can use it with
anything except rifled slugs and any kind of flight controlled wad.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
But we have guide.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Rods that are in installed in it, so it keeps
your wad intact until it exits a suppressor, and we
have different rod kits, so you know, if you want
maximums of pressure. You have the twelve inch configuration, but
you can bring it all the way down to a six.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I mean, it's it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I fired one of those, and I'm like, I'm shooting
a shotgun with a suppressure. All right, So tell us
about did you have anything to do with the Big
Beautiful Bill?

Speaker 5 (14:37):
So, yes, we actually co sponsored with Gunnos of America.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
On the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
We were original co sponsors on the Hearing Protection Act
back in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen era, So we've been
in that game for a long time. We've always fought
for constitutional rights. But as soon as that Big Beautiful
Bill pass and that tax stamp got reduced and not eliminated,
we jumped on with Gunners of America again to.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Continue the fight.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
And you know we want full you know, NFA D classification.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So what we've got now is it's the same same
as before, only without two hundred dollars. Yeah, so you're
still going to fill out your paperwork yep, and submit
it for approval to the NFA branch.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
And what are wait times now right now? What are
you hearing currently right now?

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Wait times average between two days and seven days.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Which is insane. I've waited a year for a stamp before.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, so the average, I believe before was anywhere between
nine and eighteen months.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
So most of that I think was probably because of
it was my name, right.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Of course, it's your name. It's the clarkapotion.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
We've got a stack just right here of Clark a
potion NFA Adams. Yeah, and they just push it off
to the side.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
So I'll tell you. Bill had a question earlier and
he didn't know so much about express. He says, when
you fire a gun with a suppressor on it, how
do you know you've shot the gun?

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Well, that's the magic of shooting twenty two. It feels
like a BB and you feel the action, you hear
that before you hear the round go off, so it
can be really fun. Our switchback is actually the it's
kind of you know, the upgrade diversion of our original sparrow,
and it's actually the quietest twenty two suppressor on the market.
In our rifle configuration, it feels and sounds like you're

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shooting a BB gun.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Okay, all right, and any how's that work going on?

Speaker 5 (16:33):
The revolver suppressures revolvers suppresses. We do have the one
suppressed revolver outside of that. Wait a minute, you do
yes to do?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah? Oh, I was just joking.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
There is one revolver. I can't remember the model. I
I believe it's an old German.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh yes, yeah, why do I want to say mod?
And again, it's not that it's the but where the
cylinder actually moves.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Forward, right and you get a CIA. I can't remember
the name of it, Bill, look that up anyway.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
All right, So so we've got that.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
What do you think is going to happen with.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Come January when the two hundred dollars stamp or the
two hundred dollars goes away?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
You still got the paperwork? Are you going to be busy? Yes,
we're gonna be busy.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
So once the ATF switched over to the electronic filing process,
demand went through the roof and wait times dropped dramatically.
We're expecting demand is going to increase even more.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
We're moving all I took that one for the team.
You want to explain what happened? Yeah, we just had
a big blow up, blow up.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Our tent collapsed on us out here went away.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, that's the problem or the challenges out here in
cedar Ford areas.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
The wind is popular.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
But yeah, we are anticipating demand is going to continue
to increase the next year. If we had to guess,
the weight times are going to increase again just due
to demand.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
So help me, how do you work that out with
h in regards to retail and some of your contract
work as well that you have with government entities and that,
I mean, it's kind of hard to prioritize one of
the other. But I mean the popularity and people are
going to jump on these suppressors, I believe at the

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first of the year. I know there's a few more
that I want to get as well, and I'm willing
to wait. But these cans are that you produce are phenomenal,
and and.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I've got a I've got a six or five PRC.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I use the Omega on that one right now, but
i want that site titanium. That'll make it so much
lighter because I've got a carbon fiber barrel on it
as well already, So.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, that that side titanum would be a great fit.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
We also we released a direction lit anchor break that
you can go on the end of that and very
popular with precision rifle shooters and very popular with hunters.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Just further reduced that recoil. Tell us a little bit
about ZEV and Unity. Where are we at with that?
That was an acquisition you guys had.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Yes, both were acquisitions. So since we brought zev Tech online,
we've streamlined that process. We've given them everything that they
need to be successful. They're coming back out with rifles,
they're switching back to the MML handguards, the original ones.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
We're very excited to launch that.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
The FDP is finally going to be getting across the
finish line and Unity.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Unity just does their thing.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
They're fantastic, targeting heavily into the law enforcement and Tier
one you know, special operations community. So we're very happy
to have them as part of the team.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's awesome. And is everything built here in Utah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Everything is built.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
So that's one thing that I believe is unique about
us and why we have such a great warranty with
quick turnaround times. We manufacture just about everything in house,
so we control all of our quality. If you do
happen to get a baffle strike or anything that's wrong
with the suppressor, you send it back to us and
we average a forty eight hour turnaround time.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Well, and I've said this on the radio before, and
your customer support team hands down the best I've ever
ever had to work with. And you know, I've had
some issues, I've done some I'm sure I've screwed up
a few times. I know, I'm sure they were my fault,
but I got reached out to them and they took

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care of me. And and that goes a long ways.
You don't hear and see that in this day and age,
especially in the firearm community. Give us your website. Where
can people find out more about your products?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, so we're silencerco dot com. Go on there.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
You can learn all about our products and are. Like
you said, our customer service team is fantastic. If you're
more of a get on the phone and call somebody
kind of guy, we have an office and they're picking
up calls all day. So that's another nice touch that
we have.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yep, and uh, Trevor HD of Marketing, thank you so
much for being on Gun Radio Utah. We'll probably hold
you over for next segment. Stick with us here. I've
got a couple of questions for you. But while we
do that, let's take a break. You're listening to gun
Radio Utah, and we'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
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That's right.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
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one three zero four eighty seventy. What is that noise
I hear?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Bill? Is that me?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's me? That really is me?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
And it's because I am the most popular, people want
to communicate with me while I'm on the air. So
and you forgot to tell me that we had that anyway.
I am super pleased, Bill, I am super pleaded. You
know how I've been waiting for this, super pleased to
have the founder of the Second Amendment Foundation and the

(22:44):
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep Bare Arms. Alan
Gottlieb on Gun Radio Utah. Alan, Welcome to Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
Hey Clark, it's great to be back with you. I
think it's been about a year.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It has been almost exactly a year since we were in.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I want to was it San Diego? Where was it?

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, san Diego, Diego.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Because Second Amendment Foundation, they are one they're synonymous with,
you know, lawsuits for not just defending but expanding gun
rights in the nation. And you have been I don't
know since the seventies, I think mid seventies, and you're
the founder of that. But you're also known for this

(23:25):
is forty years now of the Gun Rights Policy Conference,
where you bring together the best, the brightest, the people
that are in the news, the people that are in
the Supreme Court and the district courts and lower courts
fighting for these rights among other things too, all the
movers and shakers, and that we want to talk about

(23:46):
saf I want to talk about Citizens Committee. I want
to talk about the Gun Rights Policy Conference, So there
you go.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
Yeah, I have a busy life, and talking about from
the nineteen seventies, you're giving away my age, So I'm
getting up there now in my years, I used to
be the young Turk of the gun rights movement.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Now I'm the other Statesman.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
But the Gun Rights Policy Conferences, this is our fourtieth
annual one, And of course the reason we're talking about
it more than anything is it's going to be in
Salt Lake City September twenty sixth to twenty eighth at
the downtown Marriott Hotel and registration is free. You just
have to go to SAF dot org to register saf

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dot org.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
I'm really looking forward to seeing you there.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
You're going to be one of our feature speakers, and
I'm going to get a chance to meet a whole
lot of your members and supporters. So I'm kind of
excited about it.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, Ellen, thank you so much for even thinking about
bringing a Salt Lake but actually doing bringing it to
Salt Lake City. This is Bill Pitterson, director of the
Utah Stream Sports Council. Help us understand if you wouldn't mind,
you'd probably be the perfect individual to describe this, but
tell us for our new Second Amendment advocates, I'm going

(25:06):
to say warriors, those that are getting more involved within
the Second Amendment, what this means to have the Second
Amendment Foundation, and how they can get more active, actively
involved with your organization.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Well, again, you can get all that at saf dot
org as well. It lists the fifty five current legal
cases we've got going on in federal court right now
expanding Second Amendment rights and challenging lots of gun laws
across the country, including some of which you're sitting with
certain petitions to the United States Supreme Court. We have
all kinds of projects and programs, educational activities as well

(25:45):
to educate gun owners on what your rights are and
how to defend them, you know. And the Gun Rights
Policy Conference, which is one of our major activities each year,
being in Seoul Lake this year of course, gets gun
owners is their chance to come in and meet with
National Gun Right its leaders from all across the country.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
H the head of the and our RA is going
to be there.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
They headed En Shooting Sporting Goods Foundation is going to
be there, and it's absolutely an amazing array of key speakers.
Gun Show, Talk Show, hosts like Mark Walters from Armed
American Radio and Cam Edwards from Keeping Bearing Arms dot Com.
A lot of the key leaders, movers and shakers the

(26:25):
gun rights movement are there that you can meet directly,
give them your ideas, learn things, share information. It helps
plot and plan the gun rights movements activities for the
upcoming year.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
In fact, I even saw did I see one of
the Weavers? Was it Sarah?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Sarah Weaver is actually going to be speaking, and she's
the Is she the daughter of Randy and Vicky Weaver?

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Correct, She's one of the survivors of Ruby Ridge. She's
in her mother's arms when her mother was killed. Uh,
and she she will be speaking. You know, We've got
a lot of things coming up on that agenda that
deal with the government abuse of gun owners and gun rights.
She's going to be opposite prime person to be able
to speak about that since it has really affected her life.
Lee Williams, the head of our Seculd Amendment Investigative Journalism Project,

(27:14):
which has been talking about a number of government abuses
of gun owners from a federal level, will also be speaking.
So that's one of the areas of issues that we
will be addressing, along with you know, all the gun
legislation going all across the country, the legal cases going
on across the country, and a number of other things.
If the action packed agenda. One complaint we always get

(27:35):
is that we overloaded everybody. They walk out of there exhausted.
That's what we want to do, you are.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
It is packed full of stuff, and I recommend it both,
you know, I recommend people. I mean people do come
from all over the country every year to gRPC, and
because we're constantly at you Tah Shooting Sports Council, we
get calls how can I get involved?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
How can I do this? How can I do that?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
And we're for to say, you know, come help us
volunteerists or volunteer at the gun shows and end up
pamphlets and then during our short forty five day legislative session,
come on up and help. But this is really the
way that you can find out how to be and
especially this year's motto, advocacy through Action is going to

(28:21):
be fantastic. I was also looking Diana Mueller. She's with
the founder of Women for Gun Rights, formerly the DC Project.
We have Rail Cunningham who's the regional director, and so
I'm happy to see she is speaking there too, So
ladies get out there find out about how to be
an advocate in that. You said, how many lawsuits do

(28:43):
you have right now? For SAF fifty five?

Speaker 7 (28:48):
And we're falling another one.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Actually, I think it may have been solved late yesterday,
but we won't publicize until Monday, So I think number
fifty six comes on radar screen on Monday.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I mean, I know that you folks have. It's got
to be over two hundred completed lawsuits, am I correct?

Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yeah, it's very close to three hundred right now.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Okay, and go to saf dot org. Go to saf
dot org and then for the g RPC slash gRPC,
but go to saf dot org become a member.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
They are the ones that they are literally the.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Reason that we have the NFA rulings, that we have,
the Bruin decision, that we have the Heller decision, that
we have all these decisions because even in the bad years,
like the Clinton years, they were defending and now we're
literally expanding our gun rights. How much does gRPC cost

(29:50):
to sign up for?

Speaker 7 (29:50):
It's totally free. We pay for it all.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
We've got a number of corporate sponsors to help us out.
This is an event that we do for the grassroots
and getting new people involved in defending gun rights.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
So we don't want to charge for this. We don't
make money off this.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
We want to help educate gun owners in the general
public and get them engaged and involved.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Okay, you need to sign up now, you need to register.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's the only thing that you'll ever hear me recommending
registration for, and that is saf dot org slash gRPC.
Register now and get involved in this. It's this, it's
this coming weekend. It's this coming weekend. So not this weekend,
but next do you think, allan, now that we have

(30:35):
a seemingly favorable administration and a barely favorable House and
Senate is to a participation by grassroots and by the
general public.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Is that slowing down? What do you think?

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Unfortunately, in some ways it is because gun owners tend
to get more engaged when their rights are more threatened,
and on our federal level, right now they're not threatened
so much. But now it's the time when it's more
important to get engaged because you can extend and expand
our gun rights.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
And that's what we need.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
We need people really involved in now more than ever. Uh,
The Trump administration just filed an amicus brief for the
US Supreme Court UH saying that, you know, in supporting
our leg legal actions in New Jersey to get it
to their so called asslvments ban and their magazine capacity ban,
they just filed an A Meekas brief on our behalf
saying that they believe those laws are unconstitutional.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
You wouldn't have got that.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Out of, you know, the out of a Kamala Harris administration,
and you surely get out of Joe Biden's administration.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Now's the time.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, now is the time to really get more engaged
and more involved.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
Because we can really cement our gun rights. And it's
just sometimes difficult.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Our people the only want to get engaged when their
rights are really really threatened. But now is the time
to really get really, really get engaged because you expand
those rights.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
All right, exactly, all right, Alan, I need you to
hold over.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
We got to take this quick break and I need
you to hold over for our Powerpack fourth segment.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
We'll be right back on Gun Radio, Utah. You stay
right there.

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Also, it was the eighteen ninety five Negant, so that's
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fantastic guest, Alan Gottlie, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation,
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bare Arms,
and the overall host of the Gun Rights Policy Conference,

(32:56):
which is coming to Salt Lake City this next weekend.
Sign up now s a F dot or get slash
g r PC and get yourself registered. Yeah, the word
registration is the only time that you'll hear us recommend that. Alan,
What how do you choose A I mean, even though

(33:18):
you're you're carrying fifty different lawsuits, Uh, how do you choose?
Because there's got to be more of them out there.
How did how does saf decide to get behind this
one or that one?

Speaker 7 (33:31):
That is a really good question.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Uh, First of all, you have to have good plaintiffs,
So we have to do we do a lot of
work trying to scour the country for people who are
would make a good sympathetic plaintiff in our cases. Now,
we also tend to look for cases that are going
to make significant case law that won't just maybe apply
to one state, but could apply to the you know,
all fifty states, the whole country. And and then of

(33:54):
course we look for the for the I'm going to
call foot hanging from the tree that looks like we
can and went on. We try to be very strategic
on what suits we take, but you candidate about it,
the categories our suits are involved in are numerous. We
have challenges going on to so call the soulpen vans,
challenges to magazine capacity vans, challenges to the laws that don't

(34:17):
allow young adults to either buy a firearm, own a firearm,
or carry a firearm, Ones that try to infringe on
people's privacy rights so that to get a permit in
some places, or being able to buy a gun in
some places, but you know, the background checks extend to
your social media, interviews with your neighbors, friends and family,

(34:37):
all kinds of things that are very invasive, you know,
against gun owners gun ownership, and a lot of places
we're suing because the fees charged to be able to
get a permit to carry a firearm, where like in
New York City it's three hundred and twenty dollars a
year to be able to get the permit. That's more
than some people's handsguns cost. Black live gun free zone

(34:59):
safe places basically make it impossible to carry a firearm anywhere.
Those are categories that were involved in. So you know,
so the suppressors as an area we're involved in as
well on lawsuits you know, accessory to fire arms where
they want to make them a firearm themselves.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
And Alan, let me ask you this real quick because
we're wrapping up about less than a minute here. How
much of the did the Bruin decision affect your work
for you? Did that make it easier or did that
just pile on?

Speaker 6 (35:29):
There's two things that made it easier because it made
it easier for us to win, but it also meant
there was a lot more suits we can now challenge.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
So it piled on a lot of litigation on our play.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah yeah, we can see that. SAF dot org. Saf
dot org. You got to go to this.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
These are the groups, among others, but these are the
ones synonymous with fighting for your gun rights that actually
putting their attorneys there in the courtroom. Alan Gottlieb, thank
you so much for being on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
My pleasure. See you next week, see you next week.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
All right, and that is it, what perfect timing? That
is it for us. Take somebody out shooting.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
We went out shooting today, Clean up after yourself, and
we'll be live from gun Rights Fallsey Conference next week.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I will be have a great weekend everyone. Take care.