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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm your host, Clark a potion and sitting across from
me right there in your Utah Shooting Sports Council suirt,
Director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, Bill Patterson.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bill, you've already been to the gun show today?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I was playing director at the
gun show today and meeting some great some great conversations.
I was telling you before the show, I met a
young eighteen year old. He was excited. He voted, you know,
in this last presidential election. He was pretty excited about
and he wanted to good for him. So I asked
him how many time he voted? He said once? You
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didn't vote more than once? What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, you know our motto vote early, vote often, yep.
So yeah, way stop. Yeah. So, I hope you had
a enjoyable Halloween. It is now Da de les Moritos,
So felice thea de les Moritos to all of the
the folks out there. That's a fun holiday. If you've
ever been down to Mexico this time of year, Uh,
(00:58):
it's it's it's it's energetic, it's fun. It's anyway, Well,
how is it?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How is it? How is Halloween in an area that's
known as ghost dye.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh yeah, it goes well. We do border a cemetery.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Our property does border the Rock Point Cemetery and it
is uh, well, you know we do. We do sit
out there with big burning fire pits on both sides,
kind of ward off the the skin walkers and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So it was it was good. It was good. Not
a lot of activity.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oddly enough, you would think there'd be some activity in
the in the cemetery, people you know, trying to frighten themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But none. I didn't. I didn't see any. We see
a lot more the rest of the days. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Bill, Let me tell you, let me tell the audience
to gun Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You talked about our show today. It's fantastic. We are.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We visited down to Cedar City, Rock Island, Armory, USA,
and so when we refer to it, it's Ria, USA.
And it's very important that that we make the distinction
between Ria, Rock Island, Armory, USA versus the one in
the Philippines, because there's a huge and you're gonna find
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out what I mean by there's a huge difference, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, you can you can't even and you can't even
say it as many times as you want. How big
difference there is.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
If it really is fantastic anyway, Well, I've never been
to the Philippines, but anyway to that area, So we're
going to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Talk about that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
We also, uh, prior to going down to the to
the factory there in Cedar City, we had them send
us a couple of guns. And one of them is
the RIA five point or five oh E, the five
point h E and the VRF fourteen firearm that shoots
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shotgun shells. And why didn't I just call it a shotgun? Well, yeah,
I mean you're holding up the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I know if we were. That's why we need to
stream our shows, because I'm actually holding up the five
point zero here in studio.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You have to say it's the E the E because
it's it's not the regular five oh anyway, And so
we did the one with the it shoots, it's a firearm,
doesn't have a stock, it's got a fourteen inch barrel,
and it shoots shotgun shelves with a pistol and it's
got a Pistolqua. This is the gun that makes liberals
wet themselves and wring their hands. Uh this Yeah, So
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we're going to talk about that, and we also want
to talk about our tour. This is my second tour
of Rock Island. When they first opened up a few
years ago, we did a tour. But wow, it's it's huge.
So we're definitely going to be talking about that. Uh Bill,
we interviewed, are we doing the pistol first?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, we're going to talk about we're going to do
the pistol and all that we're gon.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We're going to talk about the tour. We're going to
talk about the first.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, the tour kind of lays the groundwork to then
better understand these firearms that we're playing with.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And so we met.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So we get down there and we'd arranged ahead of
time to meet with John Webster, the engineer, one of
the engineers for Rock Island, for Rhea and uh also
Len Gomez and I want to call her the head
woman in charge because she is over there, and so she,
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uh she she set us down with John Webster, the engineer,
and he was able to explain, especially explains the new pistol,
the Ria, because it's a completely new design everything. It's
not blowback operated, it's not recoil operated, it's it's anyway
so we'll talk about that. But he knew all the specs,
all that everything, you know, the engineering involved in it,
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and so that was a great It was a great interview.
We're going to play a couple of those clips from those.
But as we walked around this plant in Cedar City, Utah,
in the industrial area, Cedar City, Utah, looks very unassuming
from the outside, like most of them do. First thing,
you walk in and you see these huge pallets full
of firearms ready to be shipped out to the distributors,
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tons and tons and tons of them. And then we
walk by pallets of raw materials. Remember those blocks of aluminum,
the seventy seventy five aluminum, There were just blocks of
aluminum and they were late. They were going to be
turned into receivers and slides and that type of thing.
I would call them zero percent uppers or zero percent
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lowers at that point, as opposed to eighty. Yeah, they
were just blocks of stars and then everything else. One
thing I'll point out this is not necessarily in any order,
but all of the work that's done on these if
it's done, they're in the shop or if it needs
something else. Everything is locally sourced. It's not just USA made,
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it's Utah made. And she gets everything, Isn't that right?
Didn't Len say that she gets everything from there? They
have I think eighteen shop employees, sixteen or eighteen shop
employees with a turnover of like two point one, which
is unheard of. All of their employees can do at
least three separate different jobs that in that factory. So
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if one of them is off sick, that that means that, Yeah,
the production is not going to slow down, and they
are working. They're not twenty well they are kind of
twenty four to seven bill because their milling machines are
running at night.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, yeah, if you count the non paid employees, yeah,
that would be the automation.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And Lynn Lynn is I'm trying to describe her best.
Somebody described her as brassy, and I'm going to say,
without a doubt, I think brassy is putting it on
the low side.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
There she is.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You know, if you're a great employee and you're doing
everything well, she would be fantastic to work for. But
let me tell you, if you're not up to snuff,
I'd hate to be I'd hate to be in the
other end.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, with a turnover of two point one. I don't
think you would ever be at the other end. You've
be on the outside looking in. But what was very
impressive is the respect that the employees have for her,
and the respect and admiration she has for her employees.
She respects, she loves, she values her employees, and she
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wants to make them successful. As the company becomes successful.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
She modernized that place.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
She is she knows exactly what she what she's doing,
and she's done this before for huge, big, big, huge,
nationally known factories. And that's why Rock Island I think
grabbed her. I think she was going to go into
retirement and she and they must have must have convinced
her one way or the other, because boys, she is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And you know what's interesting. She runs this place.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean she runs the entire operation, and she operates
it from a pop up table with a little tablecloth
over it, right from the factory floor.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, we are out of time in this segment.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
When we come back, I want to talk about the
RIA five point zero e on Gun Radio Utah will
be right back.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Cross Roads of the West gun Show up at the
Weaver County Fairgrounds is going on right now till I
think five or six o'clock and then tomorrow from nine
till three you can stop buying and check out the
Utah sens Wards Council booth and our great volunteers Joe Randall,
I know there's others up there, and uh yeah, check
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us out and make sure you get signed up for
Utah Shooting Sports Council and get all the email alerts
and swag and all the fun stuff. Now, during our visit,
we really wanted to put together a really nice interview
with John the engineer at RHEA. And it did kind
of go okay, and it then turned into a technical
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engineering experience. But let's go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Play more of a conversation than an interviewer.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, and then we're gonna yeah, but we're gonna start
this first three minutes and then we're gonna follow up
with it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Here feels a little forward heavy, but when you're shooting it, well,
you don't notice that at all.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well on that, I mean that actually goes a lot
into your recoil mitigation. It's like, how heavy is the nose?
So how hard is it to for the gun to
actually torque that?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
For wait, and also that the bore axis is really.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Just visually it's even low.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And when we were shooting it, we could get back
on target. We both noticed the instantly we were back
on target before we could before we could barely reset
the trigger. And we're and we're doing that also the
trigger it and so the trigger is is very unique.
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The feel of it. You don't have a clunk, you
don't have a twang, you don't have a and it's
got a good reset. But when I can, I press
the trigger when it's out of the okay, So, and
I notice that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't want to trying to find the right word.
I don't want to say soft.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But it's not a it's not a clunk, it's not
a it's almost not a click. It's more of a
I don't know what you've you've fired it a bunch,
but it's not it is I'm assuming that's on purpose.
Or tell me about the trigger because somebody, I don't
know of another trigger.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like this, Yeah, I if you know of any of they.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Some of them. You know, when you pull the trigger,
you can actually feel like a twang. It's almost like
a uh, it's almost like a spring pulling and been
letting go.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Are you kind of talking about the moment you hit
like the walls wall, Like, I've gotten that comment a
lot about it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
There's not a lot of creep or anything like that
after the reset either.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, there's a People were pretty divided on the trigger
when it first came out, but I think a lot
of people have come around because it's a little longer.
You've got a very very kind of move transition from
your initial take up to what you might.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Call those stages in that movement after the wall. Okay,
you take out the slack and you got the wall
once while during the press of the actual trigger, you know,
to get it to engage. There really are zero stages,
I mean zero. It is one smooth release release.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, yep, I really like it. We were hitting right
out of the box.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We didn't move it, we didn't change the sites, we
didn't do anything, and we were dinging it perfectly right.
We just put the uh we wanted where a point
of impact we wanted. We just put it dead center
on top of the the green fiber optic and bam
and we were just we're just dinging it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So very nice. Not one malfunction.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, Now, a couple of things we want to I
want to bring up on this clerk one. We we
talked about a lot. The trigger that was one probably
the most impressive triggers I've ever got.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The most different, most to press it, but the most different.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But it was so nice. I mean, the trigger function
was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
My words fail me. My perspicacity, so to speak, fails
me when trying to describe the trigger.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And so we all know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know, you take a standard I don't know, striker
fired hammer fired gun, and you press the you press
the trigger a little bit and you get you get
get what we.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Call slack or slop.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay, there's like zero pounds or whatever, you know, half
a pound or something, and then it hits that wall,
the wall.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Then you start.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Then that's where they actually measure the trigger press from,
whether it be three and a half pounds or five pounds.
You know, the standard block is like five pound press
of a trigger, so it takes five pounds of pressure
to get it to to to engage, you know, to
click off whatever. And so you have that, you have
a teeny little bit of slack with the real five
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ozho e and then you hit a wall, which typically
the wall is a very hard wall that then you
need that full five pounds of pressure with this one.
I don't you know, I can't remember. I think it
was about I think it's a five pound press, but
it's instead of a wall, think of a wall that's
covered with a mattress and you're pushing that. Or another
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way somebody described it is you're in a swimming pool
and you put your hand underwater and you swipe it
from side to side. There's no drag, well, there's a
little drag. There's obviously, you know, an amount of pressure,
but there's no hiccups, there's no snags, there's no catches.
It's all exactly the same. And that's why it's so hard,
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because I don't know of another trigger that's like this,
other than maybe a super fine tuned revolver, but it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's not as long.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As a revolver, it's not as heavy as a right
but it is smooth as like a smith and lesson revolver.
When you've polished.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Those and then then you start talking about the recoil.
The recoil on this because of the design of the gun,
it's not blowback operated. The barrel does move, but the
barrel doesn't tilt like a Browning design kind of tilt
and like a glock, and the SIGs and almost the
barrel moves back about half inch or so and on
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locks if that and that it engages, it's got a
locking ram and I think they called it a They
did call it the ram valve system. And I understood
it when when John was explaining it to me. It's
it's probably more similar to a recoil operated gun than
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anything else. But uh, but it sits very very low
in the frame, and so the whole slide in that
it typically we're used to the slide being you know,
quite tall. This thing is half the half the height
of a normal one. So with that you're holding that
barrel that that moves, and the and the recoil impulse,
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it's much easier to control and when I say control,
to get back on target for that second, third and
fourth shot. In fact, we were coming back Bill, you remember,
we were coming back on target shooting at steel plates
in that so fast that sometimes we haven't even reset
the trigger yet. And so I was getting to the
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point where I was trying to catch up with it,
and I'm getting accidental shots.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, you know because the yeah, and the steel plates
weren't even in place yet. I mean, yeah, the steel
plate yeah, but uh yeah, I mean very very fast.
Now you talked about did you mention the square barrel?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh yeah, the barrel is square.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Obviously, the hole in the barrel, the external part that
fits into the slide is square. But it's such a
perfect fit. It doesn't require any barrel bushing or anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
There's no.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, there's no. And it just fits in there perfectly.
In addition, if you look, if you and I'm trying
to compare it with other guns, if you look at
other guns, you've got these rails, and on the slide
or on the frame itself, you've got rails, usually two
on each side that the slide slides in, kind of
like a car on a racetrack, you know, on the
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old the the little toy racetracks. This thing is full
length rails all the way on both sides.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Great contact.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The other interesting thing is I said when we started,
I wanted to shoot it literally out of the box.
We did not loop this thing, we didn't put anything
on it. We just loaded it with all sorts of
different kinds of funky ammo ye from Blazer to fmj's
to hollow points to fragmentary stuff. Okay, thanks Bill, And
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it ate everything and we didn't love it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And wasn't it John that said he doesn't even love
these things?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, he doesn't even. He was surprised. Well, you don't
have to worry about that. Don't don't louve it. I
don't loub it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He didn't even.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We didn't even loop the thing, And so I was.
I was really impressed with that. It's all steel and
this is a hammer fired gun. This is a hammer
fired gun, but it's kind of a concealed hammer. It
sure acts a lot like a striker fire but even
though it's got a much better trigger. All of it,
every bit of it is made in not just the
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United States, but it's made in Utah, Cedar City of Utah.
It is stamped on the side, made in Cedar, City
of Utah. I was really proud of that. Okay, Bill,
it looks like we have got to go to a break.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Is at that point? Yes, we are at that point.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And let's hear from our good friends at the gunsmith.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Does your gun need some work on it?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't care if it's a rifle, a pistol, a shotgun,
a break open revolver from the old days, or even muzzleloader.
Get it down to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse is located at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You can give them a.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Call at eight oh one three zero four eighty seventy
or take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be
one nearby you. They can do everything from stock work
to machining, to sarah coting, to engraving, to fixing and
evaluating your firearm so that it is everything you want
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it to be. Get it down to the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're half a second son.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It doesn't even care where they go for fun with
his ghost sail off the way you awks, and a
big thank you to Cody for that one. Thanks to Cody,
Phil's cousin. Anyway, Clark walks around with his ghost gun.
We need to we need to get that on the
top the top ten. Anyways, we're back on gun Radio Utah.
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No apologies talking about our trip to Cedar City and
trying out the two guns, and we actually tried out
we tried out some others and we'll talk about that
one the next segment. But one thing I wanted to
point out on the on Theria five point zero. What
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we find out on the website bill is it armscore
dot Yeah, Armomber is.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It armscore dot com. And from there you can look
at Rock Island or ria USA.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Ria USA.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But definitely make a distinction between ria USA and arms Corps,
even though arms Core owns it, and but there's a
huge difference in the quality of the guns that are
coming out there. So anyway, okay, oh, the gun that
pissed awighs two pounds. Now let's talk about the vr
F fourteen. The vr F fourteen is a firearm, and
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we got a sample of one of these to try out,
and I liked it so much that I kept it.
So anyway, Oh, case Casey Jane looks at it and
she just kind of she kind of rolls her eyes
and then I explained to the gun to her, and
she said, is this the only color it comes in? Anyway,
So that's that's Casey Jane. So you can always get
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it SARA code. But the VRF is a firearm that
is twenty six inches in overall length. It shoots shotgun
shells both two and three quarter and three inch from
a magazine. You can get five five round magazines, nine
round magazines, and nineteen round magazines from this thing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is that right? Yeah? Five, nine and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And we're not calling it a shotgun, although I may
accidentally call it a shotgun at some point because technically
under the NFA not the NFA code, but it's the code.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's it's a firearms.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It has it fills this little niche in between on
both parts of this this window in between where the
overall length and everything. So Moss and Smith and Wesson,
they've all come out with their their pump action, first
their shock waves and that kind of stuff, and then
they came out with the aftershock and all that.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
This is a completely different type of gun. This is Bill.
It's this firearm has AR like controls. Would you agree
with that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Everything from the grip, So the grip is not that
weird birdhead grip. It's got a regular kind of like
an ar grip. It's got a safety selector right where
the ars are. The bolt catch or bolt release is
right where that is. The magazine release is right where
it would be on an arm trying to a magazine
that's big, and the magazines go straight there. You don't
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calck them in like a like on an a K
or anything like that. They go straight in. You give
them a tug and you are good to go.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And so I don't know what the VR stands for,
but we suggested to Lynn, the uh, the operations man there,
that since it's a Utah made gun, it should stand
for Velociraptor F for firearm Velociraptor firearm fourteen fourteen inch barrel.
But also it could be very robust, very red. It's
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definitely very very republican.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Very yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, this is the gun that is gonna it's gonna,
like we said, cause a lot of liberals to wring
their hands about this thing.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's uh and.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So anyway, it's got two sling swivels for one four
one AFT. It doesn't Yeah, it does actually come with
some sites, but they're they're kind of like the magpole
pop up sites that you can put on the picatinny,
but they're not I don't think they're a magpole no,
and uh, but so it's got a front and a
rear sight. For as much good as this will do you,
this gun does not have a stock, and it you
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do not want to put it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I don't think on your shoulder either. I don't. There's
no there's no mechanism to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In addition, and so like we said, it's it's magazine fed.
That five round magazine seems very comfortable. It doesn't seem ungainly.
The nineteen round magazine seems a.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Little well then then well, and then it acts as
a bipod at nineteen So yeah, you could stand and
have that thing. But they also make a drum bag
for it, which.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I think might be a little bit better, you know,
as far as it's spacing out those rounds.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let's go ahead audio clip, and then let's come back
and we'll talk a little bit more about This is
a very short audio clip, and then let's talk about
the details on this gun.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well again, because that's locked in there right now.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, So now I want to move into the gun
that is not a shotgun that shoots shotgun shells. It's
a it's a shotgun shell shooter. So anyway, so we
we put it through the paces we have.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Now when we when we say we put it through
the paces. We had all kinds of ammunition for this
thing too.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We had we had bags of different kinds of ammo.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, bags of ammo. Yeah. But we did learn a
couple of things. The high brass magnum rounds shot very well.
The low brass which I would call, you know, like
dove and quail load.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, not even dub doven quail.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It did okay with it's the ski, the tramp and ski,
the really low low aluminum stuff. It didn't fancy that. However,
I am told that after a bit of a break
in period it will.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Function with those.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But it comes with two pistons, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And I think the piston that didn't come in it
was the heavy load piston.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, but it was operating just fine. But wait till
we tell you. Wait.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so aluminum receiver, seventy seventy five aluminum on the receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Lots of picatinny space on that thot.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh yeah, lots of it, sides top, bottom and the sides,
and which to me would mean I'm going to put
a light on that thing.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm gonna put a laser on that thing.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Maybe a light laser combo like Surefire has in that
And because hip shooting is the way to go with
this thing, yes, you could get a site picture. You know,
you're shooting slugs or some buckshot, you could get a
site picture, bill.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But it's a little it's a little, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, it's a little awkward to bring up that right
hand if you're right handed on the trigger, it's a
little awkward to bring that whole thing up. And then
you've got a fist four inches from your face.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Let me tell you if you were operating out of
a vehicle or in a home very short, you know,
I mean you can move around corners with this thing.
You could be in and out of a vehicle really quick.
If you had to hide behind a curb for cover,
you could operate this gun.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I mean literally you could.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I remember the FBI saying that a long time ago
they needed a gun they could operate from behind a
curb for cover. Other semi automatic gun firearms of this
nature go for in the thousand to eleven hundred range.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
What was the MSRP on this one bill three three
hundred twenty.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Eight dollars for a made in Cedar City, semi automatic
firearm that shoots shotgun shells and does a dang good
job of it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's got a buffer bolt system.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I remember that the recoil was as you might expect
though from from one of these. It's uh, it's not dainty,
it's uh, and it's not a heavy gun to begin with.
So that recoil impulse is pretty is pretty spicy, but
we like to call it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's the VRF fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Take a look at it on the website, and uh,
you know they are, Oh, they're going to be stalking
up the with the distributors come for December, I think
she said, yep, and they're building these things like crazy.
Oh say, by the way, one thing I forgot to
tell you, every single gun, not just one gun from
(28:11):
a batch, which is which happens in many of these
gun companies. Every single firearm, whether it be shotgun or
pistol or whatever at Ria USA is test fired, and
they test fire a bunch of them, not just one.
And they do proofloads as well. Built you've got something
to go with right now.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah. So if you hadn't made it down to the
gun show at Crosswords Crossroads up in Weaver County. You
can go check out our friends Flash My Brass at
their offices. Their wholesale offices in Orum eighteen oh two
sand Hill Road in orm Utah or four thirty eight
(28:50):
West one hundred and twenty third South in Draper, Utah
are favorite company for ammunition. Whether you are having a
hard to find round, you still need some hunting rounds,
or you're done and you're ready to go planking, shotgun, pistol, rifle,
you name it, they've got it. Go check them out
at Flash my Brass and tell them you heard about
(29:11):
us here on Gun Radio Utah. And in the last
segment we'll talk about the last gun that we got
to play with at Rock Island or Rhea. And I
think you'll be pleasantly surprised with that when we come
back on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We were both very impressed with the production and the
guns that they're putting out. One thing I wanted to
add is that Ria five oe is two pounds.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It weighs two pounds.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's not a lightweight gun and you're going to need
a holster for this puppy, but it would be great
for competition. I tell you, seventeen round seventeen plus one
capacity and if you want to see I mean MSRP
is always a little bit more, well sometimes quite a
bit more. If you want to see the deals on
these things, go to Palmetto. Palmetto is selling a lot
(29:58):
of their stuff, but make sure, just from my point
of view, make sure you get the Maiden Cedar City,
Utah guns.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They really are good quality.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Talking about good quality, Bill, you were super impressed and
so was I with their nineteen eleven series and they
have nineteen elevens and everything from nine, ten, forty five
and even their twenty two TCM, which is a really
interesting cartridge from arms Core.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, TCM and also forty Smith and Wesson too.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
They're doing the forty. I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, you know, it's you know, she Limn was so
super nice with us. I felt like I made a
new friend for life. That was one of the questions
I asked her. I go, I want to see a
nineteen eleven and so she let us go back and
shoot nineteen elevens in their shooting range.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah right now, Yeah, they have this. You want proof
all the guns?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, And I said, let's do the ten millimeter and
so we pulled that out and shot that. It's a
heavy gun as well, but it's a double stack nineteen eleven,
and most double stacks. When you get into the double stacks,
we're talking prodigy, We're talking staccato. We're talking about some
(31:19):
really fancy springfield springfield. Yeah, and this gun shot just
as well, is just as smooth as some of these
three and four thousand dollars double stack nineteen elevens.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And I agree fraction that of the cost. I absolutely
agree with you on that. In fact, we had the
engineer was air racking into that nineteen eleven. If you
know what air racking is, take a look at it.
It's got to be a smooth dang gun. And you
gotta I was gonna try it, but I was gonna
throw my shoulder out doing it. But anyway, but yeah,
(31:56):
he could air rack that off the shelf nineteen eleven.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And and I.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Got to tell you, I mean, yes, the milling machines
that make these things are such super high tolerances, and
they're perfect and everything. But as I watched the people
putting together these guns, it was like I was watching
them at a custom shop.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
They were taking the the the smoothest of files. What
do I want to say that, you know, very low grade,
just to get it perfect. As they were fitting these
guns together, remember Micah, Yeah, as he was putting together
that shotgun. Uh, you know he they're not just assembling
from parts. They are the They want that fit, They
want the feel and everything to be perfect. And he
(32:39):
was going through a variety of different parts of these
guns to put them together to find the one that
just fit perfect. And they give them, They give these
these these assemblers and that kind of stuff the ability
and they want the skill to be able to do that,
and they give them that time. They're not rushing them.
(33:01):
And so I saw the one lady there with a file,
just gently filing on that nineteen eleven until it was perfect.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you would think that now.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I haven't gone to the other nineteen eleven factories before.
I don't know if they do that with all of them,
but boy, they got them down and then they were
working the action and get them all nice. You liked
that ten milimeters so much that you did, what, Bill.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I shot it more than once.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You took it home with you?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did. I took it home.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, and it's got a full length rail, so you're
having a little bit of a hard time finding a
holster for that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, but I'll find one that's not gonna be a
big deal. I mean, keep in mind, this a five
inch full full length, full rail double stack nineteen eleven.
I've got some nineteen elevens that have come from custom shops.
I'll put this gun up to any one of those
that I've got from the custom shops. And the thing is,
(34:01):
is you get this out of the box. That's amazing. Now,
Like I said, guns are pretty expensive double stack nineteen elevens,
as some people will call them. I think Staccato has
the rights to twenty eleven. But you're talking to about
three thousand and four thousand dollars radio radio. Don't do
that to me. A three or four thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I don't want you to forget.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, and we're talking sub nine hundred dollars for a
really nice double stack from Rocky.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Check out Paul Meto. Paul Metow really has a pretty
good deal on these guns too.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
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a minute and a half here.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, I want to thank everybody over at rock On. Yeah,
I want to thank everybody else, especially when I thank
Lyngo Mas. She was so gracious to let us come
in take a big chunk of her day, and we
monopolized her time and her head engineer's time for quite
a while.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I got to tell.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You, I was trying to find something I could critique
it on. I was trying to find something that wasn't
quite great, and I just couldn't find anything.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean, you know, well to describe it if you
ever walked into a metal shop. I mean you got oil,
you got shavings, you got material, you know a product,
you got noise. This facility was spotless. It was so clean,
and I know you want to have a clean shop.
(36:20):
It provides for a good work environment in that. But
this was this was really really nice. And yeah, she
did a great job. Appreciate it. We took us a while,
this was a work in progress. We're trying to get
down there working our schedules. We finally were able to
hook up and worth every penny.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So yeah, that was good, and so I'm looking forward
to going down there to go try out some new guns,
some more guns and additional guns when we get the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Awesome. Hey, thanks for joining us on Gun Radio Utah.
It's been a great show. We've got Game seven of
the World Series. Go Dodgers way a poll last night's off.
If you get a chance, take someone out shooting. Great
weather we're enjoying right now. Go enjoy the great Utah outdoors.
Make sure you clean up after yourself and have a
(37:11):
great weekend, and we'll hear and we will see you
next week.
I'm your host, Clark a potion and sitting across from
me right there in your Utah Shooting Sports Council suirt,
Director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, Bill Patterson.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bill, you've already been to the gun show today?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I was playing director at the
gun show today and meeting some great some great conversations.
I was telling you before the show, I met a
young eighteen year old. He was excited. He voted, you know,
in this last presidential election. He was pretty excited about
and he wanted to good for him. So I asked
him how many time he voted? He said once? You
(00:34):
didn't vote more than once? What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, you know our motto vote early, vote often, yep.
So yeah, way stop. Yeah. So, I hope you had
a enjoyable Halloween. It is now Da de les Moritos,
So felice thea de les Moritos to all of the
the folks out there. That's a fun holiday. If you've
ever been down to Mexico this time of year, Uh,
(00:58):
it's it's it's it's energetic, it's fun. It's anyway, Well,
how is it?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How is it? How is Halloween in an area that's
known as ghost dye.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh yeah, it goes well. We do border a cemetery.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Our property does border the Rock Point Cemetery and it
is uh, well, you know we do. We do sit
out there with big burning fire pits on both sides,
kind of ward off the the skin walkers and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So it was it was good. It was good. Not
a lot of activity.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oddly enough, you would think there'd be some activity in
the in the cemetery, people you know, trying to frighten themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But none. I didn't. I didn't see any. We see
a lot more the rest of the days. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Bill, Let me tell you, let me tell the audience
to gun Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You talked about our show today. It's fantastic. We are.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We visited down to Cedar City, Rock Island, Armory, USA,
and so when we refer to it, it's Ria, USA.
And it's very important that that we make the distinction
between Ria, Rock Island, Armory, USA versus the one in
the Philippines, because there's a huge and you're gonna find
(02:11):
out what I mean by there's a huge difference, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, you can you can't even and you can't even
say it as many times as you want. How big
difference there is.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
If it really is fantastic anyway, Well, I've never been
to the Philippines, but anyway to that area, So we're
going to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Talk about that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
We also, uh, prior to going down to the to
the factory there in Cedar City, we had them send
us a couple of guns. And one of them is
the RIA five point or five oh E, the five
point h E and the VRF fourteen firearm that shoots
(02:55):
shotgun shells. And why didn't I just call it a shotgun? Well, yeah,
I mean you're holding up the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I know if we were. That's why we need to
stream our shows, because I'm actually holding up the five
point zero here in studio.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You have to say it's the E the E because
it's it's not the regular five oh anyway, And so
we did the one with the it shoots, it's a firearm,
doesn't have a stock, it's got a fourteen inch barrel,
and it shoots shotgun shelves with a pistol and it's
got a Pistolqua. This is the gun that makes liberals
wet themselves and wring their hands. Uh this Yeah, So
(03:37):
we're going to talk about that, and we also want
to talk about our tour. This is my second tour
of Rock Island. When they first opened up a few
years ago, we did a tour. But wow, it's it's huge.
So we're definitely going to be talking about that. Uh Bill,
we interviewed, are we doing the pistol first?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, we're going to talk about we're going to do
the pistol and all that we're gon.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We're going to talk about the tour. We're going to
talk about the first.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, the tour kind of lays the groundwork to then
better understand these firearms that we're playing with.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And so we met.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So we get down there and we'd arranged ahead of
time to meet with John Webster, the engineer, one of
the engineers for Rock Island, for Rhea and uh also
Len Gomez and I want to call her the head
woman in charge because she is over there, and so she,
(04:36):
uh she she set us down with John Webster, the engineer,
and he was able to explain, especially explains the new pistol,
the Ria, because it's a completely new design everything. It's
not blowback operated, it's not recoil operated, it's it's anyway
so we'll talk about that. But he knew all the specs,
all that everything, you know, the engineering involved in it,
(04:57):
and so that was a great It was a great interview.
We're going to play a couple of those clips from those.
But as we walked around this plant in Cedar City, Utah,
in the industrial area, Cedar City, Utah, looks very unassuming
from the outside, like most of them do. First thing,
you walk in and you see these huge pallets full
of firearms ready to be shipped out to the distributors,
(05:21):
tons and tons and tons of them. And then we
walk by pallets of raw materials. Remember those blocks of aluminum,
the seventy seventy five aluminum, There were just blocks of
aluminum and they were late. They were going to be
turned into receivers and slides and that type of thing.
I would call them zero percent uppers or zero percent
(05:44):
lowers at that point, as opposed to eighty. Yeah, they
were just blocks of stars and then everything else. One
thing I'll point out this is not necessarily in any order,
but all of the work that's done on these if
it's done, they're in the shop or if it needs
something else. Everything is locally sourced. It's not just USA made,
(06:09):
it's Utah made. And she gets everything, Isn't that right?
Didn't Len say that she gets everything from there? They
have I think eighteen shop employees, sixteen or eighteen shop
employees with a turnover of like two point one, which
is unheard of. All of their employees can do at
least three separate different jobs that in that factory. So
(06:36):
if one of them is off sick, that that means that, Yeah,
the production is not going to slow down, and they
are working. They're not twenty well they are kind of
twenty four to seven bill because their milling machines are
running at night.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, yeah, if you count the non paid employees, yeah,
that would be the automation.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And Lynn Lynn is I'm trying to describe her best.
Somebody described her as brassy, and I'm going to say,
without a doubt, I think brassy is putting it on
the low side.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
There she is.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You know, if you're a great employee and you're doing
everything well, she would be fantastic to work for. But
let me tell you, if you're not up to snuff,
I'd hate to be I'd hate to be in the
other end.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, with a turnover of two point one. I don't
think you would ever be at the other end. You've
be on the outside looking in. But what was very
impressive is the respect that the employees have for her,
and the respect and admiration she has for her employees.
She respects, she loves, she values her employees, and she
(07:55):
wants to make them successful. As the company becomes successful.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
She modernized that place.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
She is she knows exactly what she what she's doing,
and she's done this before for huge, big, big, huge,
nationally known factories. And that's why Rock Island I think
grabbed her. I think she was going to go into
retirement and she and they must have must have convinced
her one way or the other, because boys, she is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And you know what's interesting. She runs this place.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean she runs the entire operation, and she operates
it from a pop up table with a little tablecloth
over it, right from the factory floor.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, we are out of time in this segment.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
When we come back, I want to talk about the
RIA five point zero e on Gun Radio Utah will
be right back.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Cross Roads of the West gun Show up at the
Weaver County Fairgrounds is going on right now till I
think five or six o'clock and then tomorrow from nine
till three you can stop buying and check out the
Utah sens Wards Council booth and our great volunteers Joe Randall,
I know there's others up there, and uh yeah, check
(09:09):
us out and make sure you get signed up for
Utah Shooting Sports Council and get all the email alerts
and swag and all the fun stuff. Now, during our visit,
we really wanted to put together a really nice interview
with John the engineer at RHEA. And it did kind
of go okay, and it then turned into a technical
(09:34):
engineering experience. But let's go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Play more of a conversation than an interviewer.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, and then we're gonna yeah, but we're gonna start
this first three minutes and then we're gonna follow up
with it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Here feels a little forward heavy, but when you're shooting it, well,
you don't notice that at all.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well on that, I mean that actually goes a lot
into your recoil mitigation. It's like, how heavy is the nose?
So how hard is it to for the gun to
actually torque that?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
For wait, and also that the bore axis is really.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Just visually it's even low.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And when we were shooting it, we could get back
on target. We both noticed the instantly we were back
on target before we could before we could barely reset
the trigger. And we're and we're doing that also the
trigger it and so the trigger is is very unique.
(10:29):
The feel of it. You don't have a clunk, you
don't have a twang, you don't have a and it's
got a good reset. But when I can, I press
the trigger when it's out of the okay, So, and
I notice that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't want to trying to find the right word.
I don't want to say soft.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But it's not a it's not a clunk, it's not
a it's almost not a click. It's more of a
I don't know what you've you've fired it a bunch,
but it's not it is I'm assuming that's on purpose.
Or tell me about the trigger because somebody, I don't
know of another trigger.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like this, Yeah, I if you know of any of they.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Some of them. You know, when you pull the trigger,
you can actually feel like a twang. It's almost like
a uh, it's almost like a spring pulling and been
letting go.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Are you kind of talking about the moment you hit
like the walls wall, Like, I've gotten that comment a
lot about it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
There's not a lot of creep or anything like that
after the reset either.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, there's a People were pretty divided on the trigger
when it first came out, but I think a lot
of people have come around because it's a little longer.
You've got a very very kind of move transition from
your initial take up to what you might.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Call those stages in that movement after the wall. Okay,
you take out the slack and you got the wall
once while during the press of the actual trigger, you know,
to get it to engage. There really are zero stages,
I mean zero. It is one smooth release release.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, yep, I really like it. We were hitting right
out of the box.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We didn't move it, we didn't change the sites, we
didn't do anything, and we were dinging it perfectly right.
We just put the uh we wanted where a point
of impact we wanted. We just put it dead center
on top of the the green fiber optic and bam
and we were just we're just dinging it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So very nice. Not one malfunction.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, Now, a couple of things we want to I
want to bring up on this clerk one. We we
talked about a lot. The trigger that was one probably
the most impressive triggers I've ever got.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The most different, most to press it, but the most different.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But it was so nice. I mean, the trigger function
was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
My words fail me. My perspicacity, so to speak, fails
me when trying to describe the trigger.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And so we all know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know, you take a standard I don't know, striker
fired hammer fired gun, and you press the you press
the trigger a little bit and you get you get
get what we.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Call slack or slop.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay, there's like zero pounds or whatever, you know, half
a pound or something, and then it hits that wall,
the wall.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Then you start.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Then that's where they actually measure the trigger press from,
whether it be three and a half pounds or five pounds.
You know, the standard block is like five pound press
of a trigger, so it takes five pounds of pressure
to get it to to to engage, you know, to
click off whatever. And so you have that, you have
a teeny little bit of slack with the real five
(14:00):
ozho e and then you hit a wall, which typically
the wall is a very hard wall that then you
need that full five pounds of pressure with this one.
I don't you know, I can't remember. I think it
was about I think it's a five pound press, but
it's instead of a wall, think of a wall that's
covered with a mattress and you're pushing that. Or another
(14:23):
way somebody described it is you're in a swimming pool
and you put your hand underwater and you swipe it
from side to side. There's no drag, well, there's a
little drag. There's obviously, you know, an amount of pressure,
but there's no hiccups, there's no snags, there's no catches.
It's all exactly the same. And that's why it's so hard,
(14:44):
because I don't know of another trigger that's like this,
other than maybe a super fine tuned revolver, but it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's not as long.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As a revolver, it's not as heavy as a right
but it is smooth as like a smith and lesson revolver.
When you've polished.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Those and then then you start talking about the recoil.
The recoil on this because of the design of the gun,
it's not blowback operated. The barrel does move, but the
barrel doesn't tilt like a Browning design kind of tilt
and like a glock, and the SIGs and almost the
barrel moves back about half inch or so and on
(15:25):
locks if that and that it engages, it's got a
locking ram and I think they called it a They
did call it the ram valve system. And I understood
it when when John was explaining it to me. It's
it's probably more similar to a recoil operated gun than
(15:45):
anything else. But uh, but it sits very very low
in the frame, and so the whole slide in that
it typically we're used to the slide being you know,
quite tall. This thing is half the half the height
of a normal one. So with that you're holding that
barrel that that moves, and the and the recoil impulse,
(16:09):
it's much easier to control and when I say control,
to get back on target for that second, third and
fourth shot. In fact, we were coming back Bill, you remember,
we were coming back on target shooting at steel plates
in that so fast that sometimes we haven't even reset
the trigger yet. And so I was getting to the
(16:31):
point where I was trying to catch up with it,
and I'm getting accidental shots.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, you know because the yeah, and the steel plates
weren't even in place yet. I mean, yeah, the steel
plate yeah, but uh yeah, I mean very very fast.
Now you talked about did you mention the square barrel?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh yeah, the barrel is square.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Obviously, the hole in the barrel, the external part that
fits into the slide is square. But it's such a
perfect fit. It doesn't require any barrel bushing or anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
There's no.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, there's no. And it just fits in there perfectly.
In addition, if you look, if you and I'm trying
to compare it with other guns, if you look at
other guns, you've got these rails, and on the slide
or on the frame itself, you've got rails, usually two
on each side that the slide slides in, kind of
like a car on a racetrack, you know, on the
(17:26):
old the the little toy racetracks. This thing is full
length rails all the way on both sides.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Great contact.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The other interesting thing is I said when we started,
I wanted to shoot it literally out of the box.
We did not loop this thing, we didn't put anything
on it. We just loaded it with all sorts of
different kinds of funky ammo ye from Blazer to fmj's
to hollow points to fragmentary stuff. Okay, thanks Bill, And
(17:57):
it ate everything and we didn't love it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And wasn't it John that said he doesn't even love
these things?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, he doesn't even. He was surprised. Well, you don't
have to worry about that. Don't don't louve it. I
don't loub it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He didn't even.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We didn't even loop the thing, And so I was.
I was really impressed with that. It's all steel and
this is a hammer fired gun. This is a hammer
fired gun, but it's kind of a concealed hammer. It
sure acts a lot like a striker fire but even
though it's got a much better trigger. All of it,
every bit of it is made in not just the
(18:32):
United States, but it's made in Utah, Cedar City of Utah.
It is stamped on the side, made in Cedar, City
of Utah. I was really proud of that. Okay, Bill,
it looks like we have got to go to a break.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Is at that point? Yes, we are at that point.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And let's hear from our good friends at the gunsmith.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Does your gun need some work on it?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't care if it's a rifle, a pistol, a shotgun,
a break open revolver from the old days, or even muzzleloader.
Get it down to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse is located at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You can give them a.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Call at eight oh one three zero four eighty seventy
or take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be
one nearby you. They can do everything from stock work
to machining, to sarah coting, to engraving, to fixing and
evaluating your firearm so that it is everything you want
(19:31):
it to be. Get it down to the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're half a second son.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It doesn't even care where they go for fun with
his ghost sail off the way you awks, and a
big thank you to Cody for that one. Thanks to Cody,
Phil's cousin. Anyway, Clark walks around with his ghost gun.
We need to we need to get that on the
top the top ten. Anyways, we're back on gun Radio Utah.
(19:57):
No apologies talking about our trip to Cedar City and
trying out the two guns, and we actually tried out
we tried out some others and we'll talk about that
one the next segment. But one thing I wanted to
point out on the on Theria five point zero. What
(20:18):
we find out on the website bill is it armscore
dot Yeah, Armomber is.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It armscore dot com. And from there you can look
at Rock Island or ria USA.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Ria USA.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But definitely make a distinction between ria USA and arms Corps,
even though arms Core owns it, and but there's a
huge difference in the quality of the guns that are
coming out there. So anyway, okay, oh, the gun that
pissed awighs two pounds. Now let's talk about the vr
F fourteen. The vr F fourteen is a firearm, and
(20:52):
we got a sample of one of these to try out,
and I liked it so much that I kept it.
So anyway, Oh, case Casey Jane looks at it and
she just kind of she kind of rolls her eyes
and then I explained to the gun to her, and
she said, is this the only color it comes in? Anyway,
So that's that's Casey Jane. So you can always get
(21:13):
it SARA code. But the VRF is a firearm that
is twenty six inches in overall length. It shoots shotgun
shells both two and three quarter and three inch from
a magazine. You can get five five round magazines, nine
round magazines, and nineteen round magazines from this thing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is that right? Yeah? Five, nine and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And we're not calling it a shotgun, although I may
accidentally call it a shotgun at some point because technically
under the NFA not the NFA code, but it's the code.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's it's a firearms.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It has it fills this little niche in between on
both parts of this this window in between where the
overall length and everything. So Moss and Smith and Wesson,
they've all come out with their their pump action, first
their shock waves and that kind of stuff, and then
they came out with the aftershock and all that.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
This is a completely different type of gun. This is Bill.
It's this firearm has AR like controls. Would you agree
with that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Everything from the grip, So the grip is not that
weird birdhead grip. It's got a regular kind of like
an ar grip. It's got a safety selector right where
the ars are. The bolt catch or bolt release is
right where that is. The magazine release is right where
it would be on an arm trying to a magazine
that's big, and the magazines go straight there. You don't
(22:44):
calck them in like a like on an a K
or anything like that. They go straight in. You give
them a tug and you are good to go.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And so I don't know what the VR stands for,
but we suggested to Lynn, the uh, the operations man there,
that since it's a Utah made gun, it should stand
for Velociraptor F for firearm Velociraptor firearm fourteen fourteen inch barrel.
But also it could be very robust, very red. It's
(23:15):
definitely very very republican.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Very yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, this is the gun that is gonna it's gonna,
like we said, cause a lot of liberals to wring
their hands about this thing.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's uh and.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So anyway, it's got two sling swivels for one four
one AFT. It doesn't Yeah, it does actually come with
some sites, but they're they're kind of like the magpole
pop up sites that you can put on the picatinny,
but they're not I don't think they're a magpole no,
and uh, but so it's got a front and a
rear sight. For as much good as this will do you,
this gun does not have a stock, and it you
(23:52):
do not want to put it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I don't think on your shoulder either. I don't. There's
no there's no mechanism to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In addition, and so like we said, it's it's magazine fed.
That five round magazine seems very comfortable. It doesn't seem ungainly.
The nineteen round magazine seems a.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Little well then then well, and then it acts as
a bipod at nineteen So yeah, you could stand and
have that thing. But they also make a drum bag
for it, which.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I think might be a little bit better, you know,
as far as it's spacing out those rounds.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let's go ahead audio clip, and then let's come back
and we'll talk a little bit more about This is
a very short audio clip, and then let's talk about
the details on this gun.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well again, because that's locked in there right now.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, So now I want to move into the gun
that is not a shotgun that shoots shotgun shells. It's
a it's a shotgun shell shooter. So anyway, so we
we put it through the paces we have.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Now when we when we say we put it through
the paces. We had all kinds of ammunition for this
thing too.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We had we had bags of different kinds of ammo.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, bags of ammo. Yeah. But we did learn a
couple of things. The high brass magnum rounds shot very well.
The low brass which I would call, you know, like
dove and quail load.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, not even dub doven quail.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It did okay with it's the ski, the tramp and ski,
the really low low aluminum stuff. It didn't fancy that. However,
I am told that after a bit of a break
in period it will.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Function with those.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But it comes with two pistons, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And I think the piston that didn't come in it
was the heavy load piston.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, but it was operating just fine. But wait till
we tell you. Wait.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so aluminum receiver, seventy seventy five aluminum on the receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Lots of picatinny space on that thot.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh yeah, lots of it, sides top, bottom and the sides,
and which to me would mean I'm going to put
a light on that thing.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm gonna put a laser on that thing.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Maybe a light laser combo like Surefire has in that
And because hip shooting is the way to go with
this thing, yes, you could get a site picture. You know,
you're shooting slugs or some buckshot, you could get a
site picture, bill.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But it's a little it's a little, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, it's a little awkward to bring up that right
hand if you're right handed on the trigger, it's a
little awkward to bring that whole thing up. And then
you've got a fist four inches from your face.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Let me tell you if you were operating out of
a vehicle or in a home very short, you know,
I mean you can move around corners with this thing.
You could be in and out of a vehicle really quick.
If you had to hide behind a curb for cover,
you could operate this gun.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I mean literally you could.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I remember the FBI saying that a long time ago
they needed a gun they could operate from behind a
curb for cover. Other semi automatic gun firearms of this
nature go for in the thousand to eleven hundred range.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
What was the MSRP on this one bill three three
hundred twenty.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Eight dollars for a made in Cedar City, semi automatic
firearm that shoots shotgun shells and does a dang good
job of it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's got a buffer bolt system.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I remember that the recoil was as you might expect
though from from one of these. It's uh, it's not dainty,
it's uh, and it's not a heavy gun to begin with.
So that recoil impulse is pretty is pretty spicy, but
we like to call it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's the VRF fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Take a look at it on the website, and uh,
you know they are, Oh, they're going to be stalking
up the with the distributors come for December, I think
she said, yep, and they're building these things like crazy.
Oh say, by the way, one thing I forgot to
tell you, every single gun, not just one gun from
(28:11):
a batch, which is which happens in many of these
gun companies. Every single firearm, whether it be shotgun or
pistol or whatever at Ria USA is test fired, and
they test fire a bunch of them, not just one.
And they do proofloads as well. Built you've got something
to go with right now.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah. So if you hadn't made it down to the
gun show at Crosswords Crossroads up in Weaver County. You
can go check out our friends Flash My Brass at
their offices. Their wholesale offices in Orum eighteen oh two
sand Hill Road in orm Utah or four thirty eight
(28:50):
West one hundred and twenty third South in Draper, Utah
are favorite company for ammunition. Whether you are having a
hard to find round, you still need some hunting rounds,
or you're done and you're ready to go planking, shotgun, pistol, rifle,
you name it, they've got it. Go check them out
at Flash my Brass and tell them you heard about
(29:11):
us here on Gun Radio Utah. And in the last
segment we'll talk about the last gun that we got
to play with at Rock Island or Rhea. And I
think you'll be pleasantly surprised with that when we come
back on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We were both very impressed with the production and the
guns that they're putting out. One thing I wanted to
add is that Ria five oe is two pounds.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It weighs two pounds.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's not a lightweight gun and you're going to need
a holster for this puppy, but it would be great
for competition. I tell you, seventeen round seventeen plus one
capacity and if you want to see I mean MSRP
is always a little bit more, well sometimes quite a
bit more. If you want to see the deals on
these things, go to Palmetto. Palmetto is selling a lot
(29:58):
of their stuff, but make sure, just from my point
of view, make sure you get the Maiden Cedar City,
Utah guns.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They really are good quality.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Talking about good quality, Bill, you were super impressed and
so was I with their nineteen eleven series and they
have nineteen elevens and everything from nine, ten, forty five
and even their twenty two TCM, which is a really
interesting cartridge from arms Core.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, TCM and also forty Smith and Wesson too.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
They're doing the forty. I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, you know, it's you know, she Limn was so
super nice with us. I felt like I made a
new friend for life. That was one of the questions
I asked her. I go, I want to see a
nineteen eleven and so she let us go back and
shoot nineteen elevens in their shooting range.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah right now, Yeah, they have this. You want proof
all the guns?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, And I said, let's do the ten millimeter and
so we pulled that out and shot that. It's a
heavy gun as well, but it's a double stack nineteen eleven,
and most double stacks. When you get into the double stacks,
we're talking prodigy, We're talking staccato. We're talking about some
(31:19):
really fancy springfield springfield. Yeah, and this gun shot just
as well, is just as smooth as some of these
three and four thousand dollars double stack nineteen elevens.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And I agree fraction that of the cost. I absolutely
agree with you on that. In fact, we had the
engineer was air racking into that nineteen eleven. If you
know what air racking is, take a look at it.
It's got to be a smooth dang gun. And you
gotta I was gonna try it, but I was gonna
throw my shoulder out doing it. But anyway, but yeah,
(31:56):
he could air rack that off the shelf nineteen eleven.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And and I.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Got to tell you, I mean, yes, the milling machines
that make these things are such super high tolerances, and
they're perfect and everything. But as I watched the people
putting together these guns, it was like I was watching
them at a custom shop.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
They were taking the the the smoothest of files. What
do I want to say that, you know, very low grade,
just to get it perfect. As they were fitting these
guns together, remember Micah, Yeah, as he was putting together
that shotgun. Uh, you know he they're not just assembling
from parts. They are the They want that fit, They
want the feel and everything to be perfect. And he
(32:39):
was going through a variety of different parts of these
guns to put them together to find the one that
just fit perfect. And they give them, They give these
these these assemblers and that kind of stuff the ability
and they want the skill to be able to do that,
and they give them that time. They're not rushing them.
(33:01):
And so I saw the one lady there with a file,
just gently filing on that nineteen eleven until it was perfect.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you would think that now.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I haven't gone to the other nineteen eleven factories before.
I don't know if they do that with all of them,
but boy, they got them down and then they were
working the action and get them all nice. You liked
that ten milimeters so much that you did, what, Bill.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I shot it more than once.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You took it home with you?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did. I took it home.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, and it's got a full length rail, so you're
having a little bit of a hard time finding a
holster for that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, but I'll find one that's not gonna be a
big deal. I mean, keep in mind, this a five
inch full full length, full rail double stack nineteen eleven.
I've got some nineteen elevens that have come from custom shops.
I'll put this gun up to any one of those
that I've got from the custom shops. And the thing is,
(34:01):
is you get this out of the box. That's amazing. Now,
Like I said, guns are pretty expensive double stack nineteen elevens,
as some people will call them. I think Staccato has
the rights to twenty eleven. But you're talking to about
three thousand and four thousand dollars radio radio. Don't do
that to me. A three or four thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I don't want you to forget.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, and we're talking sub nine hundred dollars for a
really nice double stack from Rocky.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Check out Paul Meto. Paul Metow really has a pretty
good deal on these guns too.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
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(34:55):
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and Clark. As we wrap up, we got just about
a minute and a half here.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, I want to thank everybody over at rock On. Yeah,
I want to thank everybody else, especially when I thank
Lyngo Mas. She was so gracious to let us come
in take a big chunk of her day, and we
monopolized her time and her head engineer's time for quite
a while.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I got to tell.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You, I was trying to find something I could critique
it on. I was trying to find something that wasn't
quite great, and I just couldn't find anything.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean, you know, well to describe it if you
ever walked into a metal shop. I mean you got oil,
you got shavings, you got material, you know a product,
you got noise. This facility was spotless. It was so clean,
and I know you want to have a clean shop.
(36:20):
It provides for a good work environment in that. But
this was this was really really nice. And yeah, she
did a great job. Appreciate it. We took us a while,
this was a work in progress. We're trying to get
down there working our schedules. We finally were able to
hook up and worth every penny.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So yeah, that was good, and so I'm looking forward
to going down there to go try out some new guns,
some more guns and additional guns when we get the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Awesome. Hey, thanks for joining us on Gun Radio Utah.
It's been a great show. We've got Game seven of
the World Series. Go Dodgers way a poll last night's off.
If you get a chance, take someone out shooting. Great
weather we're enjoying right now. Go enjoy the great Utah outdoors.
Make sure you clean up after yourself and have a
(37:11):
great weekend, and we'll hear and we will see you
next week.
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