Gun Radio Utah: Background Checks; Lowest Homicide rates

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I always like to mess with Denny, a fantastic producer,
you know, like fifteen seconds before we go on the air,
I say, hey, Denny, I can't hear anything, and he
has to run from his studio all the way around
to the other side and push this one special magic
button and then I can hear stuff. So thank you, Denny.
I always like to do that, like literally fifteen seconds

(00:20):
before we're going to go on. We've got a lot
to talk about today. Bill Petterson is on an unexcused absence.
I honestly don't know what. I really don't know for
sure what he's doing. I don't know if he's on
a cruise or I just I don't know. And anyway,
that's why I call it an unexcused absence. And so

(00:41):
there we got that, and I am. We're live in
studio on the shores of the beautiful Decker Lake in
downtown West Valley City. I guess it's downtown anyway. So
let me tell you what we're going to talk about.
Definitely going to talk about Gun Rights Policy Conference, which
is coming up. Mark your calendar September twenty six through
the twenty eighth. It's free, but it's fantastic. It should

(01:05):
cost a lot of money for its value, but it's
free and it's the fortieth annual and it is right
here in Salt Lake City this year. So anyway, all right,
we're gonna I'll talk a little bit more about that
new gun. You know, every once in a while I'll
get a text message from somebody saying, hey, you got

(01:25):
to check out this is this a good deal, and
so on and so forth. And we're gonna look at
what Palmetto State Armory. Palmetto State Armory used to be
kind of and they did make some guns and this
kind of stuff, and they had a lot of parts
kits and lots of accessories. They've really really come a

(01:46):
long way, Palmetto State Armory. Check them out. I just
was looking at one of their blem glock clone, well
called a block clone, but it's not really. It's kind
of it's their PSA dagger and there's a blem it
just you know, it's got a little I guess they're
made out of plastic or polymer, I guess I should say. Anyway,

(02:09):
and they had a little smudge on them or something
like that. You can pick up a blem really nice
threaded barrel in FDE Flat Dark Earth for like three
hundred bucks and then uh, yeah you can buy it
online and yeah they'll ship it to your favorite FFL,
but it's still you can buy it online anyway. So

(02:30):
we're gonna talk a little bit about that and see
if Casey Jane will let me have a new you
know what, it's an easy way to get a new
gun for me. Oh look, it has the pressure sites too,
I see. Anyway I could get a new gun because
I just I buy it for her for her birthday
or her there's always some occasion coming up, so it
can be for her. Uh, let's see. Oh, we're going

(02:50):
to talk about it. If you're listening to Gun Radio Utah,
if you're listening Live, good for you. Hey, Google volume
to maximum, all right, So that's one of the little
things that we like to do for that anyway. Now,
now there's people out there running around trying to get
their Google to drop down. A decision that just came out.

(03:13):
Second decision just came out of a California appeals court.
That is that is it? These these gun regulations, these
gun bands, or in this case, an ammunition band, these
things are dropping like flies in the wake of the
brewin decision. So we're going to talk a little bit
about that. Do you ever use a chat bot? Do

(03:34):
you know what an AI chat bot is? These are
terms that you're going to have to start to figure
out nowadays. But there's this, there's this one chat bot
that well apparently quite a few of them are essentially
anti gun or you know, you can type in a
question into them and expect this AI. I'm sure I'm

(04:00):
gonna mess this up, this AI algorithm or whatever to
research the entire internet and come up with a very concise,
supposedly accurate answer. Well, doctor John Lott with the Crime
Research go to crimeresearch dot org. You can read you
can read his AI chatbots rely on sources with clear biases.

(04:21):
Go to crime research dot org and while you're there, donate,
donate some some a few dollars. And he found that, Wow,
it's amazing. These these things that people are relying on
are there's clear biases in them, even when he tries
to correct correct the chatbot. So we're gonna, yeah, we're

(04:44):
gonna talk about that. We're also going to revisit, as
we do here on Gun Radio Utah, often homicide mortality
by state and we're going to do that in connection
with California and and and the recent term appeals court
ruling for that. Let's see, well, let me just talk

(05:08):
about mean what maybe I ought to talk about the
the Gun Rights Policy Conference. All right, where's my where
are my notes on gon? Here it is, here's my
notes on Gun Rights Policy Conference, So g RPC. It's
put on by the Second Amendment Foundation and related to
the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

(05:30):
And if you want to help out, we could use
some help. Now, I say, we Utah Shooting Sports Council.
If you go to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org, get
on our email and I do try to. We have
folks that review all the emails and then send me
the ones I'm supposed to comment on. And I've got
another one I've got to comment on. But go to

(05:51):
the email. And if you're so inclined, if you're going
to be free and you want a you want to
be part of the gun lobby, the Gun rights sign
up and tell us you'll help us out. At Gun
Rights Policy Conference September twenty sixth for the twenty eight
it's going to be in Salt Lake City. People will

(06:12):
be coming from all over the nation. This is a
destination event and it's their fortieth annual one. I've been
to many many of these things. They are well worth it.
There's going to be a lot of vendor displays there,
so it's not like shot show type of thing or
you know, the Nray Convention, But there's going to be
a lot of vendors there outside that you can interact with,

(06:36):
but inside, the speakers are the best in the nation
when we're talking about gun rights, the state of the state,
so to speak, in gun rights and what you can do.
If you ever want to be an advocate for firearms,
if you've ever said, hey, I want to get more involved,
this is the thing you got to go to. It's free.
It's also free, and everything there is free, and the

(06:58):
luncheons are free, and the and the receptions afterward are free.
Go to this thing. Sign up. Go to SAF dot
org saf Second Amendment Foundation dot org. Sign up. You
just have to follow the links to find gun rights
policy comforts. But sign up and you will be on
the list. Then also go to Utah Shooting Sports Council

(07:18):
and send us email tell us how you can help
because we're gonna need We're gonna need some volunteers because
we asked Alan Gottlieb and Second Amendment Foundation please bring
this to Utah. We need to we need to highlight Utah. Okay,
so what have we got. We've got you know what
I'm gonna We're gonna get into what we did in

(07:39):
what happened in California when we come back from this
quick break, So stay tuned. I'll be right back. Speaking
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(08:03):
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(08:25):
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(08:47):
and maybe comment and say how wonderful clerk is and
that kind of stuff. All right, So I pulled a
couple articles dealing with the same thing from different news sources,
and the first one was an AP article regarding the
appeals court in California saying that background checks for ammunition

(09:13):
is unconstitutional. So they got that title that headline right,
Appeals court says California law requiring background checks for ammunition
is unconstitutional, okay, based on the Bruin decision that says,
you know, you've got to have a historical analog that
coincides with or that goes along with what law you

(09:35):
have against guns or four guns whatever. And then I
just got reading it and they didn't this. This is
an AP one, so they don't list who the author
of the article was. But let me give you an idea.
I'll read the first paragraph. You tell me what you think.
A voter backed California law requiring background checks for people

(09:56):
who buy bullets is unconstitutional? A federal appeals court ruled
thursday in a blow to the state's efforts to combat
gun violence. First gun violence and then bullets. How come
they didn't say bullet violence. I don't know anyway, So

(10:17):
stop texting me while I'm on the air. Probably, Oh
it's Casey Jane. No, it's Bill. Bill's texting me some
picture of a lake or something. I think, all right anyway,
and upholding a twenty twenty four ruling by a lower court.
So this was the second bite at the apple. California
tried to get to ban to ban these well, I
shouldn't say ban ammunition. What they were doing was requiring

(10:41):
background checks for each and every purchase. And it just
bugs me like nails on a chalkboard that this ap
writer keeps referring to it as bullets. Okay, folks, if
you don't know, and there's a certain segment of the
population out, they're the list of gun radio Utah, they

(11:02):
don't realize that bullets are one of four components in
a round of ammunition or cartridge. Okay, it's the bullet,
the case, the powder, and the primer, those four things.
The bullet is the thing that comes out of the
end of the barrel the muzzle. So anyway, but in
upholding a twenty twenty four ruling by a lower court,

(11:23):
the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals, now this was
a three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit, found that
the law violates the Second Amendment. Voters passed the law
in twenty sixteen and it took effect in twenty nineteen.
There were so many misrepresentations and lies by that side

(11:44):
in twenty sixteen to get that to pass. But anyway,
many states, including California, make people pass a background check
before they can buy a gun. Okay, well, under federal law,
if you buy one from a dealer, yeah you have
to do that. But Utah, like many and most states,
allow for private party transactions. Anyway, California, it says, went

(12:10):
a step further by requiring a background check, which either
costs one dollar or nineteen dollars, depending on eligibility, every
time someone buys again bullets. And I got to the
point in the article that I just started circling the
word bullets. It just bugs me. Anyway, So last year

(12:33):
at when it was challenged, US District Judge Robert Benitez
out of California, decided that the law was unconstitutional, and
then it got appealed and they lost again. Now it's
likely to go to what they call on bunk, which
is the full Ninth Circuit. Okay, But writing for the

(12:55):
majority of these twos, writing for two of the three,
Judge Sandra sagal Ikuda said the law meaningfully constrains the
constitutional right to keep in bar arms by forcing gun
owners to get rechecked before each purchase of bullets. Now,
I guarantee you this judge didn't say bullets. But anyway,

(13:18):
the right to keep in bar arm incorporates the right
to operate them, which requires ammunition. The judge rote, there
you go. The judge roade ammunition. All right. So with California,
you got to think about this. So ammunition is not
arguably but actually only effective with a firearm. And California

(13:40):
has strict laws background checks on firearms, on all transfers
of firearms. So what's the problem unless you're saying that
the background checks that California uses are ineffective at stopping
criminals from obtaining firearms, you know? Anyway, So I've got

(14:02):
this really great quote here, where is it? At here?
I got to turn on the turn on that one
here and go over to here.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
To your last question, what's the efficacy of banning these
magazine clips, I will tell you these are these This
is these are ammunition.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
They're bullets.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
So the people who have those now, they're going to
shoot them. And so if you ban if you ban
them in the future, the number of these high capacity
magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the
bullets will have been shot and there won't be any
more available.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Okay, the stupid. The stupid hurts with that, It just does.
At least she used the word ammunition in there at
one point. All right, So with this, I want to
take this opportunity to find out with all of California's
Californias gun laws, restrictive firearm laws, what you can have,

(15:06):
where you can have it, who can have it, what
you have to do to have it, the types you
can have, all these kind of things. And then let's
look at it compared to Utah. Love Utah in the laws.
So we're going to make them even better. California Utah

(15:28):
is at again We've said this before. We are third
lowest and homicide rates. I just pulled this up to
day from the National Center for Health Statistics via the CDC. Okay,
and they track every state and all the homicides. All right,
The rate for Utah is two point two. There are

(15:50):
only two states, Vermont and New Hampshire that are lower
than us. No excuse me, Rhode Island and New Hampshire
are lower than us. And New Hampshire has pretty good
gun laws. Rhode Island doesn't. But I think my point
is on that one, it's not the gun laws. It's
not it's not really the gun laws that that lower that.

(16:12):
Obviously it isn't because we've got a free for all
here in Utah and we're at two point two, the
third lowest in the nation. Where's California. They're three times
higher than us. I have my little notepad here, where's that.
Here's California they were See now I went to them.
They're six point zero. They're almost three times us. And

(16:36):
they have, you know, they have the standard, as the
anti gunners would like to say, the standard of you know,
great gun laws. Well, it ain't working too well for them,
too bad for them. All right, what do we got
on there? No, We've still got a little bit of time,
all right. The other thing I wanted to talk about
was we get a lot of emails. I got a
lot of text messages about can I do this? Can

(16:59):
I not do this? And you know, what can you
do in Utah as far as our as far as
our gun laws, and people say, hey, I just brought
this gun in from a family member from another state.
Where do I register it? How do I register this gun?
Or my eighteen year old wants I want to buy

(17:20):
my eighteen year old a gun? Or I want to
buy my sixteen year old a gun? Is that against
the law and this kind of thing. I'm going to
run through a few of them when we get back,
and then we're going to go over the uh I
think we'll go over the chat bots and that kind
of stuff. So, but right now, I've got to talk
about if you've got a gun and your gun's not
working well, maybe it is working well, but you want

(17:44):
it to look differently. You want it Sarah coded or
engraved or you know something like that. Whatever. If you
want your barrel threaded for some kind of a muzzle
attachment device, you know something a suppressor or loudner or whatever,
get your gun over at Sportsman's the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of whatever

(18:07):
you want. Whatever you want for your firearm, you can
take it right to them at sixteen thirty South fifty
seventy West in Salt Lake City. Give them a call
at eight to one three zero four eighty seventy eight
one three zero four eighty seven. They're open right now
today and then till five o'clock if you needed to now.

(18:28):
Sportsman's Warehouse, which owns the gunsmith at Sportsmen's Warehouse, can
take your gun too. So there's one hundred and forty
seven of them in this nation. I wonder if there's
any in Canada anyway. If you get your gun over
to them, they can also get it directly to the gunsmith,
and the gunsmith that you can write a note to

(18:49):
them and say, you know, this is what I want.
Try to be very specific. I was just talking with
Mike over there. Try to be really specific, and then
if they still can't figure it out, they'll give you
a call. You know they'll figure it out. But get
your gun over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse, UH
and they will take care of whatever is necessary. So
stay tuned. We're going to be right back hang on.

(19:09):
All right, So my screen kind of went blank over here, Denny.
I don't know if that's uh, if that's important or not,
but the screen on my left is is acting weird.
So anyway, Hey, a little bit more on that California
law that is that's it's actually so it's it's done
away with the background check requirement outside ammunition coming into California.

(19:33):
Done away with. Now. I'm sure it's going to be appealed.
You see that, Denny C. Denny's in here very quickly
running over from the from the from me. Oh, thank you,
all right, I'm sure it was just something I clicked anyway,
Denny's so fantastic anyway. So I just got a note
from Brent connect with flash my Brass. You know, we
always talked about flash my Brass. If you want an

(19:55):
individual box of Ammo, if you want a case of Ammo,
if you want a a freaking palette of Ammo, and
you want the best prices, because we're always looking for
the best prices consistently, the best prices on the Ammo
you shoot, go to flash my Brass. Flash my Brass
dot Com also we'll get you there and they can

(20:16):
say now he says, we can now ship to California
residence with yesterday's new court ruling. So take advantage of
the best prices on Bulcamo and get it straight to
your door. Let your California friends and family know flash
my brass dot com. They've got two locations, eighteen oh
two Sandhill Road and Orum and four thirty eight West
one hundred and twenty third South in Draper. And I

(20:38):
know they're open today. I think at least till five,
maybe till six, but do's double check with them. So
do you know since that ruling that we were just
talking about in California, the second ruling that that ended
or declared that it was unconstitutional to require a background
check every time you buy munition. Since that rule, there's

(21:02):
been more than well since they're Bruin ruling, there's been
more than two thousand gun law challenges and lower courts
continue and the Supreme Court continues to sort through the
new parameters. Essentially, it's this is the Second Amendment really
does mean what it actually said, has written and if

(21:26):
it doesn't comply with the historical analog then and it's
a restriction on firearms, then it's going to be overturned.
So anyway, so we've got that. Many gun rights groups
and twenty four mostly Republican US led states submitted briefs

(21:50):
supporting the law's opponents. So yeah, that worked out good.
So anyway, so we've got that. Yeah, go to if
you want to check out some great deals. They've got
blems and this kind of stuff on the PSA dagger
which I fired one at When did I fire I
fired one at at some event or something like that.

(22:13):
They're essentially a glock clone only and now they can
do it because the patent had run out and so
on and so forth. It's a pretty good little deal.
Go to palmetto Start State Armory. They're not paying me
to do this or anything like that, but if you
want a great deal, three hundred bucks for a nine
mil Essentially it's a glock, but I hear the trigger

(22:34):
is even nicer. It's got suppressor sites and which is
good because it comes with a threaded barrel, two tone gray,
and they've got some other ones on there as well.
So I'm definitely going to be asking Casey Jane if
we can get one, maybe two, Maybe we'll do two
of those and have them do that. Oh yeah, I

(22:56):
was gonna cover a bunch of this. I made a
few notes. Okay, so I get, like I said, phone calls,
tech messages from friends, and do I need a concealed
carry permit? And no in Utah, if you want to
carry a concealed firearm in general, no, you don't need one.
But if you want to carry in a school, yeah,
you're gonna need one. If you want to carry with

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recognition in thirty five other states plus Utah thirty six,
then some of those states that are not permitless carry
you'll need a permit for. And if you're eighteen to
twenty and you want to carry up at the university,

(23:38):
or even if you're twenty one and over and you
want to carry the university, you're gonna need a concealed
carry permit. If you want to bypass the background check
in a way, it's not really you're not really bypassing
the background check. But if you want to bypass, it's
saved seven dollars, no, fifteen dollars an hour, whatever, twelve dollars,
twelve dollars fifty cents. When you buy one from a dealer,
you'll need account Utah a Utah concealed carry permit, so

(24:03):
you can get those and the eighteen to twenty year
old called a provisional permit. It's the same cost, it's
the same procedure. You go to the class and you
submit and photos and fingerprints that kind of thing, and
it's good and valid right up until your twenty first birthday,
at which time it expires. And then you mail in
your old one and pay another fifty three dollars and

(24:29):
you can get a new concealed carry permit when new application.
You don't have to take the class again or anything
like that. So okay, So now let's get I just
made a few notes here. Open carry loaded like around
in the chamber without a permit is perfectly legal in

(24:50):
Utah if you are twenty one and over. Open carry
unloaded without a permit is what is re acquired. So
empty chamber if you're eighteen to twenty without a concealed
carry permit. Now, if you have a provisional permit or
a regular permit, you can open carry fully loaded babam

(25:12):
all the time. How about in your vehicle, Well, even
if it weren't for the permitless carry ability and permitless
carry is twenty one and up, by the way, and
that's concealed permitless, concealed carry, fully loaded, that's twenty one
and up. Anyway, an eighteen year old can carry a

(25:35):
fully loaded firearm in the handgun excuse me, handgun in
their vehicle without a permit. They get out of their vehicle.
If they want to carry that concealed, they'd better have
a concealed carry permit, otherwise they're going to have to
unload round out of the chamber. They can have full
magazine ducking pistols and then openly carry that. That's a

(25:56):
lot of weapon handling and manipulation in and out of
your vehicle. But so anyway, all right, schools, if you
have you must have a concealed carry permit to carry
a firearm in K three twelve and for right now
until we change that university you know, higher ed. But
the provisional permit does not work in a K three

(26:18):
twelve school. It's only twenty one and up, and permitless
carry does not work in a K three twelve school.
You've got to have a Utah concealed carry permit, even
though Utah recognizes permits from all other states and Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico also we recognize that permit. Uh, you've got

(26:40):
to have a Utah permit to carry in a Utah schools.
No gun signs, no gun signs, for the most part,
you may disregard them. Now, if a no gun sign
at a private estat, especially at a private place, except
with some exceptions, if it's combined with a metal detector,

(27:01):
well now they're really enforcing they're no gun sign. They
have the right they can put up whatever sign they want.
And if it says no guns and there's no metal detector,
you could walk right through. And if you're carrying concealed
discreetly maintaining it, no one's going to know and you're
not committing a crime. Now, can you go into a
bar with your concealed firearm, Yeah you can. What if

(27:23):
they have a sign on the outside, no gun's allowed, Yeah,
you can still go on. What if they have a
sign and a metal detector and it detects that you
have a gun, Well, they're probably going to tell you no,
you can't come in, and it's their private property, so
they have the right to do that, and you can
go find some other place. Now, could you actually partake

(27:45):
in adult beverages while you're in that bar. Whether that's
a wise idea to do or not, that is you know, however,
yes you can while you have that firearm, except if
you get to point oh fire or above. No, maybe
it's point o four whatever the new blood alcohol content

(28:05):
is for driving. I think it's point of four point
oz five and I can't never remember. Anyway, you instantly
become a prohibited possessor or you know, in violation of
a law, so very very careful. There is no registration
of firearms in Utah. There's no registration. There is, you know,
for NFA items, machine guns, suppressor, short bailed rifle, shotguns

(28:28):
that you know, those kind of things. There's federal registration.
It's a tax stamp and so on and so forth,
but there's no registration of that. And can I buy
a gun for someone else, Yeah, you absolutely can if
it's a gift. If they're not giving me the money,
and then I go into an FFL and do that,
then yeah, because otherwise it's called a straw purchase because

(28:48):
are they giving me the money because they can't pass
the background check? All right, A few other things when
we come back off this break, so stay tuned. We'll
be right back. He's catching fish fish. Actually the fishy
caught that I saw a picture of looked more like
bait than it was fish. But anyway, I also got
a text message on the break saying, hey, what are

(29:10):
the places the private places that can ban guns? Well, legally,
if you put up I mean, any private place in
Utah can post a sign no gun's allowed. Guns are bad.
But the only two places that if they put up
that sign that are private, that that sign has the

(29:30):
weight of law is a church or a home. And
that home can include your home can be your apartment unit,
not the whole place, the apartment unit even a hotel
motel type of thing, so they can. And somebody sent
me a link to the USCCA website saying where can
I carry a concealed firearm in Utah? And they got

(29:52):
this wrong. They need to do better. It said carry
in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. It says, yes,
you can carry in restaurants and Utah that serve alcohol
unless posted and provided you are not under the influence.
Now there's no posting. You can post a sign all
day long, but it doesn't have the weight of law
unless it's a church or a home. All right. Further

(30:15):
on there, how about buying firearms as a gift? Absolutely,
But question number one on the forty four to seventy
three transfer form at the gun store says, are you
the actual buyer of the gun? Yeah, you are the
actual buyer of that gun. You're using your money to
buy the gun, even if it is your intention to
give it as a gift. Now, when you give it
as a gift, you've got to know that the person

(30:37):
you're giving it to isn't prohibited from owning that gun,
isn't going to commit a crime, and so on and
so forth. So there's federal and state prohibitors for transferring
of a firearm anyway. An eighteen to twenty year old
can buy a long gun, a shotgun, rifle, that type
of thing from a Federal Firearms License dealer, and a

(31:02):
twenty one and over can buy handguns, including long guns,
from a dealer from an FFL, a Federal fire onf
licensed dealer. Now, an eighteen to twenty year old can
also buy a handgun or have a handgun transferred or
given to them, as long as it's a private transaction.

(31:22):
So an eighteen to twenty year old can obtain a handgun. Well,
it's good because we allow them to carry concealed handguns
in their vehicles and in their in their on their persons.
All right, So we've got that. Hopefully that covers a
lot of the questions that we had. Where's this? Wow?

(31:42):
Interesting news on suppressors. For every suppressor that was sold
in twenty sixteen, this is some data from the ATF,
three suppressors were sold in twenty twenty three. So another
way to think of it is is more suppressors were
sold from night from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three

(32:06):
than in the previous thirty years combined. What do you
think will happen when I think it's January first, when
the two hundred dollars tax stamp, Well, when the two
hundred dollars charge goes away, there's still the NFA paperwork.
What do you think will happen? Are people waiting right

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now until that happens? And is that a good idea?
Are you going to be out of luck and waiting
a year for supply to get up with demand? I
don't know. What is this? Give them a mile and
they'll take an inch. Oh, somebody has said, yeah, the

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ATF's view on short world rifles and that kind of thing.
Small guns are totally fine. Long guns are totally fine.
Medium guns ten years in federal prison. That's true. That's true.
You can have a pistol with a brace on it
and that's perfectly fine, and that's a very short little gun.
Then it's a pistol. And then you can have a

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long gun like an AR sixteen inch barrel or longer.
Those totally fine. But if you have somewhere in between
that a medium gun, that's ten years in federal in
the in the federal big big house. This was an
interesting one. All right, what have we got here? Took
care of all that? Okay? Good In Baltimore, Maryland. In Baltimore, Maryland,

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we have a good friend of ours whose daughter, Shanda
is just got assigned. I think it starts in September
to the Baltimore to the Maryland, Baltimore. They always backwards
at mission for the Church of thees Crossland I Saint.
So good luck to you Shanda out there preaching the
good word and well Baltimore, Maryland. The police cadets they've

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been hired and they've been trained and they go through
their police academy. Well, they can't get on the job
because they can't do the shooting qualification, you know, the
firearms training, which involves a lot of pew pew pew.
And because they had been using the National Guard, the
Maryland National Guard shooting range, and that Maryland National Guard

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shut it down, or the Fed's actually part of it,
shut down the shooting range, but just for the Baltimore PD,
Just for the Baltimore p D. The National Guard and
other federal agencies can still use it. And so I
got digging into and so they're up and you know,
they're up in arms. They're freaking out. What are we
gonna do? What are we gonna do? Well, why would

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they shut it down but only for them? Well, so
I got doing some more research and there were some
there was some talk from people in the know. Apparently
they need to adjust the range because Baltimore p is well,
they're going to have to raise the berms the big

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dirt backstops at the end of the range, because apparently
the National Guard had no problem hitting their targets and
only going into the dirt, whereas there was a pattern
of the Baltimore PD recruits and the re certifications by
the existing police officers of going up and over the berms.

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So now they're saying, you can't shoot here, and the
only way to fix it is to make the berms higher.
Just for you guys, been there and done that. Not
I don't shoot over the berms, but but yeah, I've
seen that happen and they need to do better and

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they need their instructors to watch that more. But until
they do that, I don't know where Baltimore is going
to go. Where Baltimore PD is going to go to
certify their cops to be out on the street. Anyway, Hey,
go to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org. Sign up
to become a member and get our alerts, which which

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we have every once in a while. Hey, take somebody
out shooting. You know that big fire that started out
in mid no Mill Creek, big fire and Mill Creek
was caused by a lawnmower hitting a rock. The rock
caused a spark and in the dry grass and the wind,
twenty four people out of there, well, twenty four units.

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Apartment unit's completely gone. Don't be that person out there.
Be careful while you're shooting, bring a shovel, bring a
fire extinger, bring us some water, and be careful. But
take somebody out shooting, clean up after yourself. Be very cautious.
That bullet hits a rock, the rock makes a spark.
We've got the fuel to do it. They'll be careful
until next week. We'll see you then