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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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You know what as of yesterday, you know, you know,
there were many occasions yesterday. Yesterday was an interesting day,
especially because we were both up on the hill all
day and Bill Patterson, our newest official Utah State registered lobbyist.
You had your little tag and everything and it said
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lobbyist and it and it blinks, and you should put
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We are going to talk about well, we're going to
talk about things up on the hill up on Utus
Capitol Hill. We just finished our first week, well the
first four days. It started Tuesday on John and Browning's birthday,
and we've already been into it. It's a good thing
we got into it because we miss shot show for this.
We miss shot show for this. I spoke with the
UH with the Majority Whip and I, you know, before
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the session started, and I said, they're gonna there's not
gonna be any bills in the first week, are there?
Because I wanted to go to shot show and she
said yes, and I said, dang it. Anyway, that's why
we're here this week. So we do have some shot
show reports. But we're going to be talking about the
bills that that we have been that we've been dealing with,
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and we're going to talk about Oh you know what,
I met one of the county commissioners for Davis County,
and I ripped into him almost immediately talking about the
Davis County Shooting Range formerly the Wassat Shooting Range. It's
old by Davis County. We're going to talk a little
bit about that. And you know, we've got we've got
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some changes to some bills that we need to try
to insert, and just to kind of give you an idea,
it deals with it deals with NFA background or NFA
transfers like what we call form fours. It's an ATF
called it kind of short form four. It's actually a
point four. But we're going to talk about that. And
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I just got to call them the way up to
ghost eye today regarding out of state transfers that are
supposed to be instant, and BCI has taken like three
or four days to do them.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So we're gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What else, Oh, lessons the reality of school shootings and
what other states approaches have been and why although we
have them too, but why they fall short. And it's
a reality lesson when we look at the school shooting
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in Antioch, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Bill, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, So we're gonna also cover this one. Really surprised me, Clark.
We this past week we had two committee hearings and
we had to split up.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You went to one, I went to three.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Actually we had three, three of them, but yeah, two
of them at the same time.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
House built two hundred, which is Outdoor Recreational Recreation Amendments.
This was run by Paul Cutler, Representive Cutler, along with
Jason Curry, the director of the State Outdoor Office of Recreation.
This one really surprised me. We went into we read
the bill. We didn't think there's going to be anything
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of it. But what really shocked me, And we'll go
over this in a little bit more detail. No one
from the recreational or outdoor markets or were even there
in another one support or you know, go against this bill.
This is a great bill. Yeah, this is a great bill.
We'll go into that a little bit more. But I
can't wait till we get into HB one thirty three.
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A lot to cover on that one, kind of similar
of what we learned on HB two hundred with the
lack of support. The problem is is we had a
ton of oppositional support on HB one thirty three. But
we're going to talk about why there was so much
oppositional support and.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
How me, is it opposition or is it support?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm gonna call it that was opposition to HB one three, Okay, okay, yeah,
so look at it how you want.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, I mean, because because when I do the bills
and I'm I'm listing to people that are talking, I
either put them in opposition to the bill or in
support of the bill. And uh, and you're making my
brain do flip flops when you say all support for
the opposition maybe.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Support for the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So yeah, yeah, there was a lot of oppositional support
for one thirty three.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's the way they went about it. And I know
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we are gonna Oh, we're definitely
gonna be talking about that. Yeah, We're definitely going to
be talking about that. I would love to, if we
have time, go over some Shot Show guns. There's a
there's the one year in like I don't know, twenty
years that I missed Shot Show and they bring out
some interesting guns. It's usually about every four or five
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years something new at Shot Show, something really innovative, and
oddly enough the manufacturer that we like to make fun
of sometimes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
But I have a few of their guns. Celtech.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Celtech came out with interesting, I want to talk about
the PR fifty seven and is it a response or
an answer to.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Some gun bands in some states?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it is it?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Is it a reaction to that?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But yeah, they have there's some that's that's my most
interesting probably gun from not going to shot show, just
getting reports back Backfire, Backfire, looked at that. Our buddy,
our buddies from St. George and Backfire. We need to
have him on and talk about some of his favorite guns.
It's going to be a rifle with him.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Would that help you out mentally? If we brought a
guest on to just kind of talk about what you missed.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It might actually make me sadder. It might make me
actually more sad.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm gonna ask our listening audience if you want to
contribute to the Clark A Potion I Missshot Show Foundation.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I thought it would be a fund. Can it be
a fund?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No? Because then you just spend it. We call that foundation.
It should be a fund support.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Can we do?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What do we do for that one?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What's the money? What's the money grubbing app that you
pay me cash? Or what's the uh? What's the heet
with money, get get more money app or or the
what is it anyway? All right, so and we are
going to be talking about hand ringing bedwetters. We are
gonna be go fund Thank you, Denny, go fund me,
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go fund me. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about hand
ringing bedwetters for sure. Uh when we come back, and yeah,
we'll talk about the day anyways, long story short. On
the Davis County Range, I'm just gonna get that over
and done with. So I went to an event up
of the capital. I don't know Chuesday Wins, and I
happened to meet was it I happened to meet In fact,
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I won't say his name right now, but it seemed
like a good guy, and he said he was very
pro gun. And I said, hey, what's the deal with
your with the County Range? The Davis County Range. You
guys are first you shut it down and then you
open it up for the sheriffs only, and then now
the talk is you're going to close.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Down the range.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I said, that'll be the fourth range on the on
the east bench that we're closing down at a time
when Utah is growing and we need more ranges. This
has been a beautiful, beautiful range just happens to be
on the east bench where you It makes for a
good bullet stop, honestly on the east bench, and it
you know, there's no problems with it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
There hasn't been any problems with it. But then guess what.
Then you hear the word developer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, yeah, that property would be prime for development, not
for track homes but for some custom big homes, which hey,
I like custom big home, but not if you have
to close down a range for it. So I said, hey,
you need to fix this, and he says, well, there's
a developer that's on the board, on the Davis County board,
and then there's another person that maybe doesn't necessarily like guns,
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and then there's me. I says, well, so we're going
to have him on. We're gonna have not today, maybe
next week, we're gonna have him on. We're going to
figure out what the plan is to fix this. All right,
So we're going to do that. Well, we're gonna do
that next week. But when we come back, we have
lots to talk about. So stay tuned if.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You want to get actively involved, and we're going to
talk about this a little bit more in this segment.
But if you want to get actively involved in know
what legislation is going on up the hill, especially around
gun bills, jump over to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org.
Up on the top, there's a section called Alerts. Click
on alerts and sign up for our email alerts. Right now,
we haven't had to send out a bunch off any
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because everything's going good. It was kind of a light week,
but this is a great place to get to to
go to to get fromamiliar with the bills that we're
dealing with.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I think we've got seventeen of these, Clark.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Twenty oh. Yeah, actually I think it might be twenty
three now.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, we did get some more yesterday and so, but
this is a great place to go see what's going
on because your input is very important, and I want
to maybe this is a good time to talk about
two hundred. This past week we had a hearing committee
hearing for HB two hundred, which was the Outdoor Recreation Amendments,
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and it happened coincide with another one. Clark and I
had to split up, so I said, I'll take HB
two hundred. It's outdoor where we read it we didn't
see anything wrong with it. But as I walked into there,
there was really literally no one in this committee hearing.
So I thought, why we had to split up?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I mean, why do we have to why'd you have
to be and I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, you had to go over to represent a bishops.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, So what happened was the herrings are held typically
at eight or nine am, sometimes ten am, and then
they go for two hours, and then they have floor
time and so on and so forth, and then the
afternoon hearing started two typically, and sometimes we have our
bills heard at the same exact time in two different
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two different committee rooms, sometimes different buildings oftentimes different buildings,
and so yeah, and so we can't be at the
same place.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And that's where we found ourselves this past week. And
so as I went in, I mean, it was a
great it's a great bill. What this bill is is
it allows that if the federal government ever goes and
does a shut down, that we keep the federal parks
open and the federal lands open. Now why is that
important to a gun owner? Well, the last time this
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happened was in October of twenty thirteen, and for all
of us outdoor enthusiasts. October is a great time to
go camping. It's a great time for hunting waterfowl, duck
hunting happens during the elk hunt starts about the same
Saturday weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They they shut everything down.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
When that shut down happens, they go and lock gates
and you cannot get access to these properties that are
your your right to go to and.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Explore and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know, there are parks, national parks or federal national
parks in Utah right now that are not operating at
one hundred percent. They're operating it somewhere between thirty and
seventy percent. Oh, because the Feds don't want to put
the the the personnel in there, and that means that
and they locked the gates. They lived you cannot utilize
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that portion of the park.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And if you're so.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
This caught me as an outdoor hunter.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I was elk hunting and there's a piece of land
I wanted to go to and I normally have to
go through a gate to get to it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Sure enough, it was locked, and so mhm, it was
great to be there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It was great to support this bill, is great to
support Representative Cutler and also Jason Curry, who is the
director of the State Door Outdoor Office of Recreation.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Jason's a good guy.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I really like him, great guy, and you know this
bill will pass, It'll be heard. Next steps, there'll be
a reading on the floor, and then it goes to
Senate for reading.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And so when we say reading that process reading is
one thing, but technically so it'll go to the floor
of the House and for a vote.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It'll come up for a vote for the full House.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So, Bill, do you want to recommend that people contact
their house representatives?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, contact your house represented, tell me yay, let's do
house house built and tell them that you want them
to vote in favor. And I really don't see why
they wouldn't. But then we take the opposite approach, Clark,
And now let's look at HBE three.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Let's talk about HB H three is House Majority Whip
carry on Lizzenbe's Bill Dangerous Weapon Amendments. To give you
some insight into this and by full disclosure, we the
Utah Shooting Sports Council have been working with the good
Representative Clearfield Area UH and UH Legislative Research and General Council.
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That's l R G O or l r g C,
l RGC, and they're the folks that write these bills
and put it in, you know, and check for any
things in number them and all that kind of stuff. Anyway,
we've been working with a fantastic attorney there and this
has been a big effort to give you an idea.
I think HB two hundred that you just talked about
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was a three page bill. Our bill HB one oh
four that would require or mandate firearm safety education in
K through twelve schools. That's like a three page bill.
This is a two hundred and sixty three page bill.
It has nine almost nine thousand.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Lines to the bill. So to just give you an idea,
it's a it is for the most part, it is.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Ninety ninety eight percent of it is a recodification. And
what that means is they took a recodification of firearm laws.
And what that means is we took all the gun
laws from sections fifty three and section seventy six, and
that covers what you can do with your gun, the
concealed carry permits, carrying everything about guns and gun laws
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and transfer and everything. And over the years, as we
have modified the parts within those sections, we haven't been
We've made a mess. We've got what we wanted, but
we've kind of made a mess of things. And I
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blamed myself for this too, And by creating an exception
here or an allowance or refer to this, refer to
this section, and black and forth, and it became very.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Kind of it made a mess. It made a spaghetti
of things.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So what LEDG Research and all of us got together
and did was recodify it, put things into their appropriate sections.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And moved everything over.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So as far as sections go or a little you know,
like little snippets of law, there's I think there's almost
ninety of them, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So if you heard that, did you hear that little
tone that just went on there? Anyway? What battery?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So it it goes with like these little, these little
there's ninety sections, all right. So what we have is
simplification and reorganization of the laws in one thirty three.
And if you just go to Lutah dot gov you
will find you can look that one up, and you
can look up the whole bill. You can download, you
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can print it. And then we have so we decided
on a few sections, I don't know, five or six
to clarify existing law. And what I mean by that is,
we take, for instance, landlords and less ores cannot restrict
you from owning, possessing keeping a firearm in your least
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or rented apartment or your house or whatever it may be.
You can't do that in Utah. And we have three
different code sections that say it completely differently, but one
way or the other say it. And yet we still
find because there was some confusion over some of the wording,
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we knew what the intent was that we decided to
say to heck with this, we're getting rid of those
and we are just writing an absolutely affirmative section that
says lessors and landlords cannot do that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And so that's a clarification. It's not really a change,
a substantive change, all right, What do we got? We
got to about thirty seconds and then we had new stuff.
Then we had new an actual change. And to give
you an idea, and that change, we're not talking huge leaps.
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What we didn't change because quite honestly, we didn't have
the votes for it right now, but and we didn't
want to mess up the whole bill was permitless Carrie
for eighteen year olds, eighteen to twenty year olds. However,
just because we didn't do that, we did expand on
the abilities of eighteen to twenty year olds right now, Well,
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they can open kerry fully loaded now or if the
bill passes, if the bill passes, if one thirty three passes,
they can openly carry a firearm fully loaded without you know,
they don't have to have an empty chamber, all right,
And we'll talk about what kind of grief we got
on that when we come back in committee, when we
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when we when we come back, we'll talk about what
happened in committee when we come back.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
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Speaker 1 (19:24):
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Speaker 4 (19:38):
And I mean, I really mean whatever is needed for
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one thirty three. So when I say one thirty three,
I should say HB one thirty three. If I say HB,
that means it started in the House by a House representative.
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In this case, carry and listen, bye. If I say
s B means it's a Senate bill, and it started
in the Senate by a senator, one of the twenty
nine senators in Utah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All right, so we're dealing.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
With SB or excuse me, HB one thirty three dangerous
weapon amendments. I think that's what they always have, just
some what is it? Dangerous weapon amendments. All right, it
is a huge bill. Most of it is taken up
by recodification, just moving stuff from one section to a
brand new section with a new number. That will make
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a lot more sense, and it will be rejiggered, rejuggled, rejiggered.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Whatever. All right, but we did change a few things.
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Let me tell you what we changed. We clarified some stuff,
which is not a change. It's just a clarification, a
reaffirmation of what we already all live and well, no do.
One of the big things is eighteen to twenty year olds.
So you're not twenty one yet, you're eighteen to twenty.
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You can buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You can buy a handgun at eighteen year old. You
just can't buy it from an FFL, not yet. That's
a federal law.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But you can certainly buy and possess and carry and
have a handgun.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
And right now, well.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
When we talked about openly carrying, so you can get
a permit, you can get a provisional concealed carry permit,
which is ninety nine percent as good as a regular permit,
a non provisional, except that you can't carry in K
three twelve schools, and that's under federal law, got to
be twenty one with a permit, So that's really the
only difference, only the only major difference with the provisional.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But if you don't want to get a permit, a
provisional permit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you want to carry outside of your vehicle or
something like that, well you're going to have to openly
carry that gun. And up until this time, until one
thirty three passes, you cannot have a round an unexpended
round in the chamber or in line to fire, in
line with the barrel, so on and so forth, nor
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in the next position. But for a pistol, it's pretty easy.
Empty chamber, you can have a full magazine inserted, so
US pistol owners, we know that that takes half the
three quarters of a second to remedy that. But and
the technically in a revolver, you can't have a round
with the hammer down in line with the barrel, nor
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the next round. So technically a six shot revolver would
turn into a four shot revolver. But I disagree on that.
But anyway, we're fixing all that. Now. We're saying, if
you want to open carry with and you don't have
a permit, you can open carry fully loaded.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's not that much of a difference.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Bill and I would we were talking about this and
why we think that that was put in there, way
way way back, the whole unloaded thing, Bill, I honestly
think because I don't see any intent language. I can't
find the records from way back then. I don't know
right when Utah was mostly just dirt and sage brush
and stuff. It would probably have to do with firearm
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technology and the safeties, passive safeties and transfer bar safeties
and that type of thing, or lack of them on firearms,
and they just thought it would be safer.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's kind of what I think. It could be that
they wanted that extra moment of time to make a decision,
so before you use it.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I would agree with you on that, would you agree?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All right, So with the so right now, if they
want to if they want to carry and they don't
have a permit, it's got to be open and it
has to be unloaded. The change will be that three
quarter or half to three quarters of a second.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Now they can.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
They can already carry, but they can have it fully
loaded now. And that's their choice if they want to
have it fully loaded. They've already been carrying now. So
in the committee bill, you were there in the committee,
Representative Wilcox, Chairman, I should say, chairman of the UH
of the Law Enforcement Committee, told the large audience that
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was there ahead of time, listen, first, stick to what
is contained in the bill. Your comments should reflect either
opposition or support as to what is actually in the bill.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And he's looking squarely at.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
All the anti gun folks, the hand ringy bedwetters that
were in the room, and then he also said, Hey,
if somebody that came before you has already made your point,
don't make it again.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And then he I think he kept it to what
two minutes?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Two minutes?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Two minutes alright? And then you get a little buzzer
and when your time is up, all right. So I
think almost without exception, I really do he correct me
if I'm wrong. Bill, But every one of them that
got up there bemoaned the fact that eighteen year olds
can now carry a loaded gun, and they all got
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on there, and then they a lot of them talked
about the frontal cortex being undeveloped in eighteen year olds
and how they and basically you would think that it's
amazing that an eighteen to twenty year old can even
walk and talk. Listening to them disparage the the prefrontal
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cortex of the.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Brain in holiday, you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
There was a doctor, apparently there was a medical doctor
that bemoan the fact that unless you're in the military
at eighteen, your prefrontal cortex is essentially.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Useless for eighteen year olds in holiday. Go back and listen.
Go back and listen to the audio on that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
All right, So, Bill, you leaned over to me and
you said, you know, why don't we bring it back
to Why don't we bring it back to what's actually
in the build? So when I got up, I waited
for a lot of them to say what they wanted
to say. And I got up and I did. I said,
all right, now, let's bring it back to the bill.
And I said, a lot of people are bemoaning the
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fact that eighteen to twenty year olds will be able
to carry a gun. Well, long story short, they've already
been able to carry a gun. And I recounted how
we would talk, how we talked to some detractors of
the bill previously. And I said, what if I were
to tell you that we were going to change the
law and make it so that an eighteen to twenty
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year old could carry a fully loaded, not empty chamber,
but a fully loaded handgun in their vehicle without a permit.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
What would you say to that?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And they, without exceptions, said, oh, my gosh, that would
be the worst thing ever. That'll never well, we will
pose that so much they'll be blood in the streets
and every road rage will turn into a shooting gallery.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And then I delighted in the fact that I said, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Sixteen years, eighteen to twenty year olds have had that
ability right now, and for sixty since two thousand and nine,
and they wantable to carry a fully loaded handgun in
their vehicle without a permit.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And I want to emphasize delighted.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And it was the light in their face just went
you got to be well yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I was looking squarely at some of the d's
I think they were only there was one D and
and and when they heard that, you know, oh my gosh,
we're not really going to allow a fully loaded handgun
in a vehicle without a permit, are we?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
And yeah, we've had that for sixteen years.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And I say and I put that directly to Hey,
we haven't had any huge problems right now and certainly
certainly no pattern problems. All Right, we are at a
time in this segment we're going to have to do
a quick run through when we come back, and so
stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
One thirty three passed out of committee with one Democrat
voting against it. Other than that, it was unanimous except
I love how former Representative Krudoda used to say that
in committee it was so it was it was so
demeaning to to the to the other side. It was
like a six It was like a seven to three
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vote or something like that. And he literally said after
the vote, oh, it's unanimous except.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
For you three. So uh, anyway, I love Representative Voter.
I just love him. So anyway, And so it does
that it changes you know, open caerry to to fully loaded.
It changes.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Or yeah, and then it clarifies that landlords, you cannot
restrict firearm possession if you have leased property, uh you know,
least a residence to somebody, you can't.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
You can't can't restrict what they do on that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Other than I mean maybe you can't make explosives or
something like that, but you certainly can't restrict Second Amendment
rights on that. Uh what else?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh? Open carry?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
One thing that never ever came up in a detraction
or disupport and I just felt that we didn't need
to bring it up. Open carry at the U. We've
always felt that you could. But there was there was
there was back and forth. Well, open carry of a
firearm up at the U. Now you know how I
feel about that. And regardless of how I feel about opening,
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I support open carry.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'll say that I'm not a huge doer of open carry,
just because I just just for me tactically, I just
think discreete.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Carry is better.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
However, I have open carried, and I will open carry
and and if I especially if I want to show
somebody my gun. But anyway, open carry with this bill
would be legal at the U. And they also cannot
anymore infringe on the right of people in a dorm
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to have a gun, whether they have a concealed carry
permit or not, as long as it's lawfully possessed.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Otherwise than that, what else you got that? We've got that?
So it's a great, great bill.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's a great bill, and I really want to thank
Representative Carry and Listenbee for bringing that.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Dang.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I wish we had time to talk about one one
o four Firearm Safety and Schools, which is held.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We're working on that bill with Representative Ship to make
it an even better bill, and it was held out
of It was mercifully held, I think in committee, and
we're going to make it even better and we know
that it will pass when we make some changes to it.
In fact, we've got a conference on tomorrow, I think
on that bill, just just with the with these interested stakeholder.
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All right, Bill you wanted to talk. We had a
call or call in talking about SB one thirty Firearm
and Firearm Accessory modifications. Senator Bluin' honestly give us honestly,
I'm really thinking about going up into committee and just
basically stating that we don't support the bill, that we
oppose it because it is such a radical I mean,
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it's got everything. It's got some of it, not just
assault weapons, so to speak, but semi auto bands, magazine restrictions, waiting,
it's got everything. It's a pope, puri cast a role
of anti gun stuff. And to think that it or
any part of it would pass in the in the
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Utah legislature. Is a waste of time. Quite honestly, it's
a waste of time. Or you could file this under
Senator read the room. It ain't going anywhere now. Oddly,
in if it was scheduled for a committee hearing in
the Senate and then and we were all set to
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do it, I think it was Tuesday, No, Wednesday, maybe
it was Wednesday, and then bam, that whole Senate committee
was canceled. It was the first Senate and then it
was canceled, and I don't see it back up on
the agenda. I was surprised that it got out of rules.
But you know what, I'm not worried. You want to
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have a good discussion, that's fine. Uh, But I think
rather than waste the time in the legislature, which they
guard very jealously, let's let's have some good discussion. Want
to have a good discussion, let's do it out of committee.
And I'll tell you why all those ideas are stupid.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I think are nothing but emotion driven.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Clark.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What was really interesting is yesterday they were supposed to
have had this rally at noon. Yeah, and we learned
that it was supposed to be on the front steps.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Of this Oh yeah, supposed to be on the south
steps of the Capitol, big big, big.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Big rally. Can't miss it. No one's there. We go,
no one's there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then we kind of find out they decided to change this.
They move it to a conference room. There's only two
people in this, uh and and maybe a couple of
news media folks, and they do it right when we
have House Bill one thirty three going on. So no
one attended it, and well for the best part, they
didn't attend ours either. So but yeah, I agree with you.
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This bill is not going to go anywhere and we
will definitely kill this. So for our listener that called in,
thank you for bringing that up. We've been watching this
bill very closely.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, you know, next week, when we have some more time,
we're going to talk about school safety amendments and firearm
education in schools. Essentially, it's education is better than ignorance,
and the only reason to teach kids firearm safety is
if we care about them. And it's the only reason
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that you teach a kid not to touch a hot stove,
or touch your pet a snarling dog, or to look
both ways before you cross the street. Is if we
care about them and if there is a potential there.
All right, what have we got? We talked about that.
We'll talk about shot show guns next week. I'll and oh,
if you want to laugh as to what if you're
a reporter and you really need to find out about
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the topic and find out the facts before you especially
before you put it in a headline.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Take a look at Martha Harris's.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Report on kue R about what one thirty three was
all about. She said it would allow people to open carry,
allow eighteen year olds to open carry guns.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And you know she was there and you told me
she was there in the committee, and we stayed after
the committee and nobody came up to us to ask us, Hey,
what does this bill do. She literally used the talking points,
the incorrect misunderstand talking points from the opposition to the
bill to write her story and uh bless her heart,
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she tried. She made a long report that was misinformation.
And so if you're getting all your information from the media,
especially k U E R, you might want to rethink that.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, so that's at the least, but yeah, she was
standing right by you taking pictures and and I saw her,
but I didn't really I should have reached out to her,
but yeah, blessed her heart.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
She tried, she did well, you know, hopefully she's just
all right.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Thanks everybody, until next week
And I am broadcasting live from beautiful Ghost die Manor
in Uinta County, a free, a free county for.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
A free and you know what it means by no apologies,
Clark doesn't matter. We're not apologetic on the show or
off the show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And everyone know that.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know what as of yesterday, you know, you know,
there were many occasions yesterday. Yesterday was an interesting day,
especially because we were both up on the hill all
day and Bill Patterson, our newest official Utah State registered lobbyist.
You had your little tag and everything and it said
(00:38):
lobbyist and it and it blinks, and you should put
some bling on your tag.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We are going to talk about well, we're going to
talk about things up on the hill up on Utus
Capitol Hill. We just finished our first week, well the
first four days. It started Tuesday on John and Browning's birthday,
and we've already been into it. It's a good thing
we got into it because we miss shot show for this.
We miss shot show for this. I spoke with the
UH with the Majority Whip and I, you know, before
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the session started, and I said, they're gonna there's not
gonna be any bills in the first week, are there?
Because I wanted to go to shot show and she
said yes, and I said, dang it. Anyway, that's why
we're here this week. So we do have some shot
show reports. But we're going to be talking about the
bills that that we have been that we've been dealing with,
(02:16):
and we're going to talk about Oh you know what,
I met one of the county commissioners for Davis County,
and I ripped into him almost immediately talking about the
Davis County Shooting Range formerly the Wassat Shooting Range. It's
old by Davis County. We're going to talk a little
bit about that. And you know, we've got we've got
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some changes to some bills that we need to try
to insert, and just to kind of give you an idea,
it deals with it deals with NFA background or NFA
transfers like what we call form fours. It's an ATF
called it kind of short form four. It's actually a
point four. But we're going to talk about that. And
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I just got to call them the way up to
ghost eye today regarding out of state transfers that are
supposed to be instant, and BCI has taken like three
or four days to do them.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So we're gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What else, Oh, lessons the reality of school shootings and
what other states approaches have been and why although we
have them too, but why they fall short. And it's
a reality lesson when we look at the school shooting
(03:36):
in Antioch, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Bill, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, So we're gonna also cover this one. Really surprised me, Clark.
We this past week we had two committee hearings and
we had to split up.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You went to one, I went to three.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Actually we had three, three of them, but yeah, two
of them at the same time.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
House built two hundred, which is Outdoor Recreational Recreation Amendments.
This was run by Paul Cutler, Representive Cutler, along with
Jason Curry, the director of the State Outdoor Office of Recreation.
This one really surprised me. We went into we read
the bill. We didn't think there's going to be anything
(04:16):
of it. But what really shocked me, And we'll go
over this in a little bit more detail. No one
from the recreational or outdoor markets or were even there
in another one support or you know, go against this bill.
This is a great bill. Yeah, this is a great bill.
We'll go into that a little bit more. But I
can't wait till we get into HB one thirty three.
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A lot to cover on that one, kind of similar
of what we learned on HB two hundred with the
lack of support. The problem is is we had a
ton of oppositional support on HB one thirty three. But
we're going to talk about why there was so much
oppositional support and.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
How me, is it opposition or is it support?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm gonna call it that was opposition to HB one three, Okay, okay, yeah,
so look at it how you want.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, I mean, because because when I do the bills
and I'm I'm listing to people that are talking, I
either put them in opposition to the bill or in
support of the bill. And uh, and you're making my
brain do flip flops when you say all support for
the opposition maybe.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Support for the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So yeah, yeah, there was a lot of oppositional support
for one thirty three.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's the way they went about it. And I know
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we are gonna Oh, we're definitely
gonna be talking about that. Yeah, We're definitely going to
be talking about that. I would love to, if we
have time, go over some Shot Show guns. There's a
there's the one year in like I don't know, twenty
years that I missed Shot Show and they bring out
some interesting guns. It's usually about every four or five
(05:59):
years something new at Shot Show, something really innovative, and
oddly enough the manufacturer that we like to make fun
of sometimes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
But I have a few of their guns. Celtech.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Celtech came out with interesting, I want to talk about
the PR fifty seven and is it a response or
an answer to.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Some gun bands in some states?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it is it?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Is it a reaction to that?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But yeah, they have there's some that's that's my most
interesting probably gun from not going to shot show, just
getting reports back Backfire, Backfire, looked at that. Our buddy,
our buddies from St. George and Backfire. We need to
have him on and talk about some of his favorite guns.
It's going to be a rifle with him.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Would that help you out mentally? If we brought a
guest on to just kind of talk about what you missed.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It might actually make me sadder. It might make me
actually more sad.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm gonna ask our listening audience if you want to
contribute to the Clark A Potion I Missshot Show Foundation.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I thought it would be a fund. Can it be
a fund?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No? Because then you just spend it. We call that foundation.
It should be a fund support.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Can we do?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What do we do for that one?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What's the money? What's the money grubbing app that you
pay me cash? Or what's the uh? What's the heet
with money, get get more money app or or the
what is it anyway? All right, so and we are
going to be talking about hand ringing bedwetters. We are
gonna be go fund Thank you, Denny, go fund me,
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go fund me. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about hand
ringing bedwetters for sure. Uh when we come back, and yeah,
we'll talk about the day anyways, long story short. On
the Davis County Range, I'm just gonna get that over
and done with. So I went to an event up
of the capital. I don't know Chuesday Wins, and I
happened to meet was it I happened to meet In fact,
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I won't say his name right now, but it seemed
like a good guy, and he said he was very
pro gun. And I said, hey, what's the deal with
your with the County Range? The Davis County Range. You
guys are first you shut it down and then you
open it up for the sheriffs only, and then now
the talk is you're going to close.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Down the range.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I said, that'll be the fourth range on the on
the east bench that we're closing down at a time
when Utah is growing and we need more ranges. This
has been a beautiful, beautiful range just happens to be
on the east bench where you It makes for a
good bullet stop, honestly on the east bench, and it
you know, there's no problems with it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
There hasn't been any problems with it. But then guess what.
Then you hear the word developer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, yeah, that property would be prime for development, not
for track homes but for some custom big homes, which hey,
I like custom big home, but not if you have
to close down a range for it. So I said, hey,
you need to fix this, and he says, well, there's
a developer that's on the board, on the Davis County board,
and then there's another person that maybe doesn't necessarily like guns,
(09:14):
and then there's me. I says, well, so we're going
to have him on. We're gonna have not today, maybe
next week, we're gonna have him on. We're going to
figure out what the plan is to fix this. All right,
So we're going to do that. Well, we're gonna do
that next week. But when we come back, we have
lots to talk about. So stay tuned if.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You want to get actively involved, and we're going to
talk about this a little bit more in this segment.
But if you want to get actively involved in know
what legislation is going on up the hill, especially around
gun bills, jump over to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org.
Up on the top, there's a section called Alerts. Click
on alerts and sign up for our email alerts. Right now,
we haven't had to send out a bunch off any
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because everything's going good. It was kind of a light week,
but this is a great place to get to to
go to to get fromamiliar with the bills that we're
dealing with.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I think we've got seventeen of these, Clark.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Twenty oh. Yeah, actually I think it might be twenty
three now.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, we did get some more yesterday and so, but
this is a great place to go see what's going
on because your input is very important, and I want
to maybe this is a good time to talk about
two hundred. This past week we had a hearing committee
hearing for HB two hundred, which was the Outdoor Recreation Amendments,
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and it happened coincide with another one. Clark and I
had to split up, so I said, I'll take HB
two hundred. It's outdoor where we read it we didn't
see anything wrong with it. But as I walked into there,
there was really literally no one in this committee hearing.
So I thought, why we had to split up?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I mean, why do we have to why'd you have
to be and I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, you had to go over to represent a bishops.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, So what happened was the herrings are held typically
at eight or nine am, sometimes ten am, and then
they go for two hours, and then they have floor
time and so on and so forth, and then the
afternoon hearing started two typically, and sometimes we have our
bills heard at the same exact time in two different
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two different committee rooms, sometimes different buildings oftentimes different buildings,
and so yeah, and so we can't be at the
same place.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And that's where we found ourselves this past week. And
so as I went in, I mean, it was a
great it's a great bill. What this bill is is
it allows that if the federal government ever goes and
does a shut down, that we keep the federal parks
open and the federal lands open. Now why is that
important to a gun owner? Well, the last time this
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happened was in October of twenty thirteen, and for all
of us outdoor enthusiasts. October is a great time to
go camping. It's a great time for hunting waterfowl, duck
hunting happens during the elk hunt starts about the same
Saturday weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They they shut everything down.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
When that shut down happens, they go and lock gates
and you cannot get access to these properties that are
your your right to go to and.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Explore and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know, there are parks, national parks or federal national
parks in Utah right now that are not operating at
one hundred percent. They're operating it somewhere between thirty and
seventy percent. Oh, because the Feds don't want to put
the the the personnel in there, and that means that
and they locked the gates. They lived you cannot utilize
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that portion of the park.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And if you're so.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
This caught me as an outdoor hunter.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I was elk hunting and there's a piece of land
I wanted to go to and I normally have to
go through a gate to get to it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Sure enough, it was locked, and so mhm, it was
great to be there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It was great to support this bill, is great to
support Representative Cutler and also Jason Curry, who is the
director of the State Door Outdoor Office of Recreation.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Jason's a good guy.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I really like him, great guy, and you know this
bill will pass, It'll be heard. Next steps, there'll be
a reading on the floor, and then it goes to
Senate for reading.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And so when we say reading that process reading is
one thing, but technically so it'll go to the floor
of the House and for a vote.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It'll come up for a vote for the full House.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So, Bill, do you want to recommend that people contact
their house representatives?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, contact your house represented, tell me yay, let's do
house house built and tell them that you want them
to vote in favor. And I really don't see why
they wouldn't. But then we take the opposite approach, Clark,
And now let's look at HBE three.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Let's talk about HB H three is House Majority Whip
carry on Lizzenbe's Bill Dangerous Weapon Amendments. To give you
some insight into this and by full disclosure, we the
Utah Shooting Sports Council have been working with the good
Representative Clearfield Area UH and UH Legislative Research and General Council.
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That's l R G O or l r g C,
l RGC, and they're the folks that write these bills
and put it in, you know, and check for any
things in number them and all that kind of stuff. Anyway,
we've been working with a fantastic attorney there and this
has been a big effort to give you an idea.
I think HB two hundred that you just talked about
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was a three page bill. Our bill HB one oh
four that would require or mandate firearm safety education in
K through twelve schools. That's like a three page bill.
This is a two hundred and sixty three page bill.
It has nine almost nine thousand.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Lines to the bill. So to just give you an idea,
it's a it is for the most part, it is.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Ninety ninety eight percent of it is a recodification. And
what that means is they took a recodification of firearm laws.
And what that means is we took all the gun
laws from sections fifty three and section seventy six, and
that covers what you can do with your gun, the
concealed carry permits, carrying everything about guns and gun laws
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and transfer and everything. And over the years, as we
have modified the parts within those sections, we haven't been
We've made a mess. We've got what we wanted, but
we've kind of made a mess of things. And I
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blamed myself for this too, And by creating an exception
here or an allowance or refer to this, refer to
this section, and black and forth, and it became very.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Kind of it made a mess. It made a spaghetti
of things.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So what LEDG Research and all of us got together
and did was recodify it, put things into their appropriate sections.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And moved everything over.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So as far as sections go or a little you know,
like little snippets of law, there's I think there's almost
ninety of them, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So if you heard that, did you hear that little
tone that just went on there? Anyway? What battery?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So it it goes with like these little, these little
there's ninety sections, all right. So what we have is
simplification and reorganization of the laws in one thirty three.
And if you just go to Lutah dot gov you
will find you can look that one up, and you
can look up the whole bill. You can download, you
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can print it. And then we have so we decided
on a few sections, I don't know, five or six
to clarify existing law. And what I mean by that is,
we take, for instance, landlords and less ores cannot restrict
you from owning, possessing keeping a firearm in your least
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or rented apartment or your house or whatever it may be.
You can't do that in Utah. And we have three
different code sections that say it completely differently, but one
way or the other say it. And yet we still
find because there was some confusion over some of the wording,
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we knew what the intent was that we decided to
say to heck with this, we're getting rid of those
and we are just writing an absolutely affirmative section that
says lessors and landlords cannot do that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And so that's a clarification. It's not really a change,
a substantive change, all right, What do we got? We
got to about thirty seconds and then we had new stuff.
Then we had new an actual change. And to give
you an idea, and that change, we're not talking huge leaps.
(18:33):
What we didn't change because quite honestly, we didn't have
the votes for it right now, but and we didn't
want to mess up the whole bill was permitless Carrie
for eighteen year olds, eighteen to twenty year olds. However,
just because we didn't do that, we did expand on
the abilities of eighteen to twenty year olds right now, Well,
(18:56):
they can open kerry fully loaded now or if the
bill passes, if the bill passes, if one thirty three passes,
they can openly carry a firearm fully loaded without you know,
they don't have to have an empty chamber, all right,
And we'll talk about what kind of grief we got
on that when we come back in committee, when we
(19:17):
when we when we come back, we'll talk about what
happened in committee when we come back.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
On Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
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Speaker 4 (19:38):
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gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. All right, Bill, let's talk about
one thirty three. So when I say one thirty three,
I should say HB one thirty three. If I say HB,
that means it started in the House by a House representative.
(20:37):
In this case, carry and listen, bye. If I say
s B means it's a Senate bill, and it started
in the Senate by a senator, one of the twenty
nine senators in Utah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All right, so we're dealing.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
With SB or excuse me, HB one thirty three dangerous
weapon amendments. I think that's what they always have, just
some what is it? Dangerous weapon amendments. All right, it
is a huge bill. Most of it is taken up
by recodification, just moving stuff from one section to a
brand new section with a new number. That will make
(21:14):
a lot more sense, and it will be rejiggered, rejuggled, rejiggered.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Whatever. All right, but we did change a few things.
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Let me tell you what we changed. We clarified some stuff,
which is not a change. It's just a clarification, a
reaffirmation of what we already all live and well, no do.
One of the big things is eighteen to twenty year olds.
So you're not twenty one yet, you're eighteen to twenty.
(21:45):
You can buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You can buy a handgun at eighteen year old. You
just can't buy it from an FFL, not yet. That's
a federal law.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But you can certainly buy and possess and carry and
have a handgun.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
And right now, well.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
When we talked about openly carrying, so you can get
a permit, you can get a provisional concealed carry permit,
which is ninety nine percent as good as a regular permit,
a non provisional, except that you can't carry in K
three twelve schools, and that's under federal law, got to
be twenty one with a permit, So that's really the
only difference, only the only major difference with the provisional.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But if you don't want to get a permit, a
provisional permit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you want to carry outside of your vehicle or
something like that, well you're going to have to openly
carry that gun. And up until this time, until one
thirty three passes, you cannot have a round an unexpended
round in the chamber or in line to fire, in
line with the barrel, so on and so forth, nor
(22:55):
in the next position. But for a pistol, it's pretty easy.
Empty chamber, you can have a full magazine inserted, so
US pistol owners, we know that that takes half the
three quarters of a second to remedy that. But and
the technically in a revolver, you can't have a round
with the hammer down in line with the barrel, nor
(23:17):
the next round. So technically a six shot revolver would
turn into a four shot revolver. But I disagree on that.
But anyway, we're fixing all that. Now. We're saying, if
you want to open carry with and you don't have
a permit, you can open carry fully loaded.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's not that much of a difference.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Bill and I would we were talking about this and
why we think that that was put in there, way
way way back, the whole unloaded thing, Bill, I honestly
think because I don't see any intent language. I can't
find the records from way back then. I don't know
right when Utah was mostly just dirt and sage brush
and stuff. It would probably have to do with firearm
(23:59):
technology and the safeties, passive safeties and transfer bar safeties
and that type of thing, or lack of them on firearms,
and they just thought it would be safer.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's kind of what I think. It could be that
they wanted that extra moment of time to make a decision,
so before you use it.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I would agree with you on that, would you agree?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All right, So with the so right now, if they
want to if they want to carry and they don't
have a permit, it's got to be open and it
has to be unloaded. The change will be that three
quarter or half to three quarters of a second.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Now they can.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
They can already carry, but they can have it fully
loaded now. And that's their choice if they want to
have it fully loaded. They've already been carrying now. So
in the committee bill, you were there in the committee,
Representative Wilcox, Chairman, I should say, chairman of the UH
of the Law Enforcement Committee, told the large audience that
(25:02):
was there ahead of time, listen, first, stick to what
is contained in the bill. Your comments should reflect either
opposition or support as to what is actually in the bill.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And he's looking squarely at.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
All the anti gun folks, the hand ringy bedwetters that
were in the room, and then he also said, Hey,
if somebody that came before you has already made your point,
don't make it again.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And then he I think he kept it to what
two minutes?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Two minutes?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Two minutes alright? And then you get a little buzzer
and when your time is up, all right. So I
think almost without exception, I really do he correct me
if I'm wrong. Bill, But every one of them that
got up there bemoaned the fact that eighteen year olds
can now carry a loaded gun, and they all got
(26:03):
on there, and then they a lot of them talked
about the frontal cortex being undeveloped in eighteen year olds
and how they and basically you would think that it's
amazing that an eighteen to twenty year old can even
walk and talk. Listening to them disparage the the prefrontal
(26:24):
cortex of the.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Brain in holiday, you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
There was a doctor, apparently there was a medical doctor
that bemoan the fact that unless you're in the military
at eighteen, your prefrontal cortex is essentially.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Useless for eighteen year olds in holiday. Go back and listen.
Go back and listen to the audio on that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
All right, So, Bill, you leaned over to me and
you said, you know, why don't we bring it back
to Why don't we bring it back to what's actually
in the build? So when I got up, I waited
for a lot of them to say what they wanted
to say. And I got up and I did. I said,
all right, now, let's bring it back to the bill.
And I said, a lot of people are bemoaning the
(27:10):
fact that eighteen to twenty year olds will be able
to carry a gun. Well, long story short, they've already
been able to carry a gun. And I recounted how
we would talk, how we talked to some detractors of
the bill previously. And I said, what if I were
to tell you that we were going to change the
law and make it so that an eighteen to twenty
(27:33):
year old could carry a fully loaded, not empty chamber,
but a fully loaded handgun in their vehicle without a permit.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
What would you say to that?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And they, without exceptions, said, oh, my gosh, that would
be the worst thing ever. That'll never well, we will
pose that so much they'll be blood in the streets
and every road rage will turn into a shooting gallery.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And then I delighted in the fact that I said, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Sixteen years, eighteen to twenty year olds have had that
ability right now, and for sixty since two thousand and nine,
and they wantable to carry a fully loaded handgun in
their vehicle without a permit.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And I want to emphasize delighted.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And it was the light in their face just went
you got to be well yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I was looking squarely at some of the d's
I think they were only there was one D and
and and when they heard that, you know, oh my gosh,
we're not really going to allow a fully loaded handgun
in a vehicle without a permit, are we?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
And yeah, we've had that for sixteen years.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And I say and I put that directly to Hey,
we haven't had any huge problems right now and certainly
certainly no pattern problems. All Right, we are at a
time in this segment we're going to have to do
a quick run through when we come back, and so
stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
One thirty three passed out of committee with one Democrat
voting against it. Other than that, it was unanimous except
I love how former Representative Krudoda used to say that
in committee it was so it was it was so
demeaning to to the to the other side. It was
like a six It was like a seven to three
(29:19):
vote or something like that. And he literally said after
the vote, oh, it's unanimous except.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
For you three. So uh, anyway, I love Representative Voter.
I just love him. So anyway, And so it does
that it changes you know, open caerry to to fully loaded.
It changes.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Or yeah, and then it clarifies that landlords, you cannot
restrict firearm possession if you have leased property, uh you know,
least a residence to somebody, you can't.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
You can't can't restrict what they do on that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Other than I mean maybe you can't make explosives or
something like that, but you certainly can't restrict Second Amendment
rights on that. Uh what else?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh? Open carry?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
One thing that never ever came up in a detraction
or disupport and I just felt that we didn't need
to bring it up. Open carry at the U. We've
always felt that you could. But there was there was
there was back and forth. Well, open carry of a
firearm up at the U. Now you know how I
feel about that. And regardless of how I feel about opening,
(30:34):
I support open carry.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'll say that I'm not a huge doer of open carry,
just because I just just for me tactically, I just
think discreete.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Carry is better.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
However, I have open carried, and I will open carry
and and if I especially if I want to show
somebody my gun. But anyway, open carry with this bill
would be legal at the U. And they also cannot
anymore infringe on the right of people in a dorm
(31:09):
to have a gun, whether they have a concealed carry
permit or not, as long as it's lawfully possessed.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Otherwise than that, what else you got that? We've got that?
So it's a great, great bill.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's a great bill, and I really want to thank
Representative Carry and Listenbee for bringing that.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Dang.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I wish we had time to talk about one one
o four Firearm Safety and Schools, which is held.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We're working on that bill with Representative Ship to make
it an even better bill, and it was held out
of It was mercifully held, I think in committee, and
we're going to make it even better and we know
that it will pass when we make some changes to it.
In fact, we've got a conference on tomorrow, I think
on that bill, just just with the with these interested stakeholder.
(32:00):
All right, Bill you wanted to talk. We had a
call or call in talking about SB one thirty Firearm
and Firearm Accessory modifications. Senator Bluin' honestly give us honestly,
I'm really thinking about going up into committee and just
basically stating that we don't support the bill, that we
oppose it because it is such a radical I mean,
(32:23):
it's got everything. It's got some of it, not just
assault weapons, so to speak, but semi auto bands, magazine restrictions, waiting,
it's got everything. It's a pope, puri cast a role
of anti gun stuff. And to think that it or
any part of it would pass in the in the
(32:44):
Utah legislature. Is a waste of time. Quite honestly, it's
a waste of time. Or you could file this under
Senator read the room. It ain't going anywhere now. Oddly,
in if it was scheduled for a committee hearing in
the Senate and then and we were all set to
(33:07):
do it, I think it was Tuesday, No, Wednesday, maybe
it was Wednesday, and then bam, that whole Senate committee
was canceled. It was the first Senate and then it
was canceled, and I don't see it back up on
the agenda. I was surprised that it got out of rules.
But you know what, I'm not worried. You want to
(33:27):
have a good discussion, that's fine. Uh, But I think
rather than waste the time in the legislature, which they
guard very jealously, let's let's have some good discussion. Want
to have a good discussion, let's do it out of committee.
And I'll tell you why all those ideas are stupid.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I think are nothing but emotion driven.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Clark.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What was really interesting is yesterday they were supposed to
have had this rally at noon. Yeah, and we learned
that it was supposed to be on the front steps.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Of this Oh yeah, supposed to be on the south
steps of the Capitol, big big, big.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Big rally. Can't miss it. No one's there. We go,
no one's there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then we kind of find out they decided to change this.
They move it to a conference room. There's only two
people in this, uh and and maybe a couple of
news media folks, and they do it right when we
have House Bill one thirty three going on. So no
one attended it, and well for the best part, they
didn't attend ours either. So but yeah, I agree with you.
(34:30):
This bill is not going to go anywhere and we
will definitely kill this. So for our listener that called in,
thank you for bringing that up. We've been watching this
bill very closely.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, you know, next week, when we have some more time,
we're going to talk about school safety amendments and firearm
education in schools. Essentially, it's education is better than ignorance,
and the only reason to teach kids firearm safety is
if we care about them. And it's the only reason
(35:04):
that you teach a kid not to touch a hot stove,
or touch your pet a snarling dog, or to look
both ways before you cross the street. Is if we
care about them and if there is a potential there.
All right, what have we got? We talked about that.
We'll talk about shot show guns next week. I'll and oh,
if you want to laugh as to what if you're
a reporter and you really need to find out about
(35:26):
the topic and find out the facts before you especially
before you put it in a headline.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Take a look at Martha Harris's.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Report on kue R about what one thirty three was
all about. She said it would allow people to open carry,
allow eighteen year olds to open carry guns.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And you know she was there and you told me
she was there in the committee, and we stayed after
the committee and nobody came up to us to ask us, Hey,
what does this bill do. She literally used the talking points,
the incorrect misunderstand talking points from the opposition to the
bill to write her story and uh bless her heart,
(36:07):
she tried. She made a long report that was misinformation.
And so if you're getting all your information from the media,
especially k U E R, you might want to rethink that.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, so that's at the least, but yeah, she was
standing right by you taking pictures and and I saw her,
but I didn't really I should have reached out to her,
but yeah, blessed her heart.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
She tried, she did well, you know, hopefully she's just
all right.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Thanks everybody, until next week
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