Gun Radio Utah: Carry in Post office; Rep. Ryan Wilcox

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
He walks around with his ghost gun. Thirty rounds under
half a second done. He doesn't even care where they
go for fun with his ghost way Aeah. Welcome to
Gun Radio Utah. I am your host Clark Oposon. That's
who they were talking about walking around with his ghost gun.

(00:21):
I am joined by co host Bill Petterson, Director of
Utah Shooting Sports Council.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Great to see you. You've got your Silencer Co RSO shirt.
Are you r s o ing?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, I'm not r s o ing, but I'm scaring
the heck of a lot of people on my motorbike
on the freeway.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, yeah, because it says Silencer Co RSO in front,
but then on the back it says RSO Range Safety Officer.
Which that's coming up next month, Billy, I'll be fun.
So anyways, welcome Gun Radio Utah. Top ten in the
world for gun related live radio en podcast. I just

(00:57):
double checked that yesterday and I think we're up there
like number two for Utah Legal podcast of all things
Utah Legal. So anyways, we've got a heck of a
show for you. Today we're going to be talking about
the school Guardian program because kids are back to school
now and because we passed a law or HB eighty

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four two years ago, three years ago. Represented Wilcox, fantastic
house rep. They're in what area is he in? Bill
Web District seven? So he's up north Augustrict seven. Okay,
So we're gonna have him. We're gonna have him on
and talking about the program, and all the questions that

(01:44):
you want answered will be asked of Represented Wilcox. We
also have coming up in the third segment a woman
who is actually taking part. She's a school employee and
I'm not going to say her name or where she's
from because confidentiality, and we're going to have her on

(02:05):
talking about what it's like to go through the program
and why and all those kind of questions. Bill. You know,
some other stuff that occurred that I want to take
care of, Like in first segment, Hey, if you go
to the you've heard us talk about banks and banking
institutions and credit card companies and how they're out to
to really defame gun owners, gun manufacturers and folks that

(02:31):
sell AMMO and firearm parts and accessories, and how they're
trying to code, secretly code those things so that the
man knows what you're buying and what you have, and
they're doing it at you know, with complicity via the
financial institutions. Well, thank you, President Trump. You just signed

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an executive order called the what's it called the it's
called the Guaranteeing Fair Banking for All Americamerricans Executive Order.
You can find this. It's a sick page order on
the White House dot gov uh Presidential Executive Order sites.
You can you can look it up. And it was

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just done this last week, I think. And basically it says,
it tells the banks, hey, if you're federally you know, backed,
or in any way have anything to do with the
vEDS you know, which they all do, federally insured or
anything like that, you can't do that anymore. Not only
can you not do that anymore, or track fire and
purchase or anything like that, you have to go back

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and look at your records for the people that you
denied loans and that too, and and rethink those and
so anyway, that's fantastic. Thank you President Trump for that
executive order that has it's big in scope too. It's
really good and it's a good read. So in addition
to that, another thing, the Trump administration. The do the

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Trump Department of Justice did just this last week is
remember we've talked about before, you can't bring a gun
into a post office. Big no, No, you can't do it.
And even though there are some vagaries within the law,
you know that seemed to give an exception here or there,
it's generally understood you can't bring a gun into a

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post office. Well, how does that, How does that mesh
with the Second Amendment? How does that mesh with the
Supreme Court ruling of Bruin And the historical context? Is
there any historical context for post offices bill? How long
has it been going on?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
So it's either seventy two or seventy four if I
remember right, that's when they made it out. They outlawed
firearms in post offices. Up to that point, you could
carry a firearm within a post office, which I love
it because that's if there's a gun group that wants
to wipe out guns, they always bring up the historical

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part of it. Well, we didn't do that in the past.
We didn't do that in the past. We didn't do that. Well, no,
we did that all along.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And we've had post offices in the United States since
almost the inception of the United States, so you know,
for well over two hundred years and we've never had that.
So anyway, there was a guy, a postal employee named
I Yea, A yea, I don't know how to spell that.
And he was an employee and he carried a gun
in his bag into the post office and they arrested

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him and they charged him with a violation eighteen Usc.
Nine thirty a, which says you can't carry a gun
into a post office. Well, he took it to court
and it ended up in the US District Court for
the Middle District of Florida. I didn't know that there
was a middle District of Florida, but nonetheless there is.
And you know what they that court said, it's a

(05:46):
violation of his constitutional right, violation of the Second Amendment,
and you can't do it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well in the mid now they had for him, Clark
is that they were saying that he was a dangerous person.
We'll hold it he had a concealed carry permit. How
could he be a day just person if he passed
exactly the ability to get a consider good point?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, or are they saying that all people with guns
are dam and this This started under the Biden administration DOJ.
So the DOJ appealed it. Under Biden they appealed it,
and it was waiting, and it was pending, It was
pending a it was pending an appeal, and well income

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the Trump administration DOJ they sent a letter not only
to the court, but to the Speaker of the House
and the President of the US Senate and said, we're
out of this. We're wiping our hands of this, we
are out of this. We do not have an objection
to this court's, to the Middle District of Florida court
US District Court's ruling that it was unconstitutional, and we're

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out of this. So there goes the I guess in
this case it would be the plaintiffs argument against aya.
So that stands. What does that mean then going forward
forward in all the other districts, in all the other states,
can you carry It's still on the books as being
against the law. So in I think that intel the

(07:11):
Supreme Court rules, and we're gonna have to have somebody
with a little bit more knowledge than me on this,
but maybe just at least for that Middle District of Florida,
you can carry in a in a uh, in a
post office. But don't quote me on that. Don't say
Clark Oposen told me I could do that. Well, I
like Bill used Bill Patterson, He told.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
You, yeah, I like all the comments that I've been seeing, well,
how do they know if it's concealed?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
And I'm like, don't do that?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Just don't.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well, I mean, with with all the new technology nowadays,
that's uh, you know, with all that. So anyway, yeah,
what we got, Oh, no, we're doing good. We're doing
okay on time. So anyway, we've got that. Uh, we
talked about post office, we talked about the executive order.
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Gun Radio Utah, we're going to have Representative Wilcox Ran

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Wilcox on, So stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Is the segment that our listeners want to pay really,
really close attention to. This is one of those things
that UTAH is doing that is just going to create
bed wedding all over the United States. And I can't
be more proud to have Representative Wilcox on the line
with us to tell us a little bit about HB

(10:10):
eighty four and the new Armed Guardian program. Represent Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Thanks, It's always good to be with you, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Thank you all right, So, so Representative Wilcox, the School
Guardian program, in short, it allows for or requires schools
to take notice of their security regarding you know, you know,
people that want to come onto the property and shoot
and killing or injure people. And you've addressed this in

(10:42):
the bill and there's a few ways that they can
they can that the schools can comply. But first I
want to go back, why did you come up with
this program? What was the what was the impetus behind it?

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, there are really two things that were the critical
impetus for you to understand why we needed it.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And both of them originate in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Of the School Security Task Force in the wake of
the Uvalde disaster in visits that I made to both
Texas and then especially Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
In Texas, I went down and really.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Was just going to a school safety conference at the time,
trying to understand the Yvalde disaster. But then I spoke
with the director of one of the school districts, the
safety director one of the school districts there they had.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
He's a retired law enforcement officer who had.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
A wife and his grandkids in the school and a
daughter that taught in the schools, and he decided that
he was going to make an Arlington school district the
safest district in Texas. And he had started that by
one they already had they already had an SRO in
every one of their schools. But then he also brought
on the retired friends of his, the retired law enforcement

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officers that he recruited, who the district agreed to pay
as if they were full time teachers, including honoring their
years of service. So major financial commitment from that district
to make sure that this happened. But he ended up
with essentially what we call guardians here who were extremely qualified,

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and then also on top of that, had SROs and
all the schools, and then he went through and did
all of the physical enhancements and remedied a lot of
those issues.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
The Florida one that really took.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
The formation of the guardian program that really drove that
took place because a friend of ours invited us.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Out to Florida. We had not met, but his name's Max.
Max Shacter is the father of Alex Shacter.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Who was killed in that first classroom in Building twelve
hundred in Parkland on Valentine's Day in twenty eighteen. And
Max had had a chance as a father to walk
through that school after the trials were over, before it
got torn down, and when he finished that tour, he

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impacted him so much that he asked the district and
recognized that the value that that would bring to policymakers
from around the country who were working on this if
they would have that same chance. So Max invited us
to the National Center and we showed up ye and
I spent We were supposed to be there for two hours.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I spent six and a half. I think in the
school that day when I looked at my.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
GPS after walking through there and what it came from.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And so what you found were the were the deficiencies
in some schools. You found the good ideas like in
Texas and that type of thing. And you came back
to Utah and you came up with the school Guardian
program of HB eighty four. That was a huge undertaking
because you you had to bring in I mean, you
had everybody involved. You had I don't know if there

(14:04):
was an agency that wasn't involved in Utah that you
brought in. You brought on fantastic director Matt Pennington and
really good stuff. Is it correct to say that in Utah?
Gone are the days that we rely on making a
phone call first and foremost to law enforcement to then

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get in their vehicles and show up to the school.
We want to have somebody there at the school as
a first engager.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, that's right. It's all about time.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
And frankly that one of the more impactful moments of
that visit to Parkland.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Was seeing the not just what had happened, not just
the disaster, but seeing those who had stepped up.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
The assistant football coach, the athletic director, the teacher that
ran out in the hallway to make sure that the
other kids made it in safely.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
They all lost their lives.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
They ran there when the only person on campus who
had a fire arm didn't didn't respond, didn't engage, made excuses, Yeah,
didn't engage, and a person that time Clark, Yes, it's
all about time, and so it's not just having one.
It's about redundancy. It's about shortening that length of time

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and response.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's about prevention.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
But as far as far as the guardian program goes,
it's about giving ourselves the best shot to end it
as soon as we can so that we don't have
that situation again and we can prevent the loss of life.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
How did the individual school districts comply with the requirement
with HBAT four to satisfy that staffing? How do they
What are the three different ways they can do that?

Speaker 4 (15:47):
The three different ways are essentially in what we prefers
that they hire an SRO. It's a minimum standard for
each school. We you can choose an SRO, you can
choose a guardian, you can choose or private security.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Right, we prefer that you start with your SRO. We
want an SRO in every school. But you know that.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
One of the things I learned on the visit to
Parkland is, of course after the disaster, they everybody gets religions.
So at Parkland High School or sorry, at Marjorie Stoe
and Douglas, you have three full time s ros and
eight guardians in addition to security monitors.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
In addition, in addition to the other measures.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
That are already in place, you have all of that
there now. In our schools, we have a requirement for
an armed response. You can have multiple guardians if you
choose to do that, and I would certainly recommend that
if they were were.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
To ask me, I don't want to wait for a
disaster before we.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
We do that, because, as we have seen, in some cases,
you do fall back on your training. But everybody doesn't
know how they're going to respond in an emergency until
it happens.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's true for it, you prepare.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
So I like I personally. I like the guardian program. Yes,
the soros are fantastic. And for when we say SROs
at school or a school resource officer typically a sworn
officer from either the sheriff or the police department in
that area. I like the idea of the school guardian
complementing it because one, they're not uniformed, and we know

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from that experience that sometimes these shooters shoot the first
uniform person they see because that's going to be their
obvious opposition. The school guardians know that school, they know
the students, they know the staff, the faculty. And three,
I like the guardian program because it's a choice. They
aren't assigned to that school. They choose to become a guardian,

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take the extra training, do a psych test, do bi
annual training twice a year. They have to do training
in addition to the initial training. And they're also approved
by the correct me if I'm wrong, they're approved by
this school superintendent or the principal.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Well, they have to be nominated by their district, by
their school, but then they also have to.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Be qualified by law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's where you're going into the dual background checks. Right
You're talking to your school and your law enforcements a
little bit deeper, and then you have the physical qualification.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
The training requirements that are there, and that all plays
into it.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Are the names private.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
We intentionally kept the guardians private.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yes, I mean everybody knows who the srs are their
public officers. The buddings really are its to never be seen,
we hope, right, Like we train them, we we train
them for all the disasters scenarios.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Certainly isn't just for an active violent threat. This is
you know everything that.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right, we're cutting out there a little bit when we
were cutting out there just a little bit. So fantastic.
Any new things for the school guardian program coming up
this next legislative session in January.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yes, we're going to be enhancing and expanding their training
as we have learned along the way. One of the
nice things about this program is that each district, each
school district is able to customize that for the needs
of their particular school. That has allowed us to see

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who has come up with some really neat things as
far as the training goes. As each sheriff's department runs
through those requirements, those are minimum standards, but some of
them have come up with things that really should be
standardized across.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
The system, and so we'll be implementing those. As it
relates to time, as it relates to methods.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Of search and recovery, things that cut down the time,
and we know we'll.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Save more lives you'll see some changes there in the program.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That way. I look forward to that Representative Wilcox House
District seven joining us on Gun Radio Utah and Bill.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah one, I got a comment to make here this
because our audiences is across the US. I mean, we
have a large listening audience here and people are just
going this is finally, finally, someone's doing something right. But
in addition, keep in mind, our school teachers have concealed
carry permits can carry within the schools already, and I

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would and I would imagine I would do that. Here's
a question for you. How many districts are compliant today
now that we're going into this new school seasoniant? Well yeah,
fully well, fully complaint that has the armed Guardians program
in their district. And then also is there a timeline?

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Is there some is there a deadline that they need
to be fully complaint or compliant?

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'll tell you this, every district is at least partially compliant,
meaning that all of their people are trained.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
There are most of their people are trained. There.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
There are some that are fully compliant. They literally have
it in every school and I'm very proud of them.
There was a story on Washington School district. For example,
they hit KSL on Tuesday, so i'll use their name.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You should go check out that KSL story.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, that really well.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I tried to reach out out to the Washington County
sheriff there and to get some more information. But this
is all great. Representative, thank you so much for joining
us here on Gun Radio Utah. You do great work
and can't wait to work with you again this next
legislative session. Representative Wilcox from District seven. We've got a

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lot more to cover. We've got a gal that's going
to be joining us here as part of this program.
I can't say the name. When we come back on
Gun Radio Utah. We've got a four point three rating
on Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Or whatever it is. I'm assuming that's out of four
point four. So that's good, all right, fantastic, Hey, Asmised.
We actually have a guest on that I have known
for many, many years. I met her. I'm gonna call
her d and I'm not gonna say where she's from,
but she's here in Utah, beautiful area of Utah, and

(22:13):
I met her the same day I met my wife,
Casey Jane, at a class that was dedicated for school employees,
and it was after Sandy Hook. D. Welcome to gun
Radio Utah. Thanks for being here, thank you, thanks for
having me all right, D. Why did you attend that

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class back in twenty twelve. You're a school employee.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yes, I attended it because I've always wanted to get
my cancil Carrie. And then after Sandy Hook happened, and
just realizing how horrible that was, I thought it was
a better take the initiative and not just think.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
About it, but do it.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So we're here.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
We live in Utah, which is one of the extremely
few states that if you have a concealed carry permit
from Utah, you cannot be restricted from carrying in a school,
whether you're a student. Not a student, No, no, you're not.
Can't be a student excuse me, staff or faculty or
even visitor, as long as you're lawfully able to be

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in that school, but not a student. No and uh,
And the principal, the school district, the nobody can say
anything about it. They don't even know that you're carrying.
But now you've decided to take an extra step and
uh and join the school guardian program. Tell us why
you decided to do that.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I decided it was a good thing to do. There's
extra training with it, and you know, I hope I'm
never in a position where we have to use it,
but you know the world that we live in now,
Heaven forbid, somebody came in. I just I'd rather be
prepared than not prepared. And the school guardian program is
given us opportunity for more extensive training and things that

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we can do and not do. And I just think
it's important I want our kids protected.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, I agree with you. I agree. It's kind of
like if there's a fire in the school, yes we'll
call the fire department, but I'm also if I'm able
to grab the fire extinguisher and if I can take
care of it right then and there. Because I don't
like to call the school guardians or somebody that's on
the scene that's engaging. I don't like to call them

(24:28):
first responders. I like to call them first engagers because
that's ultimately and you may end up, you know, in
some schools around this country, if there's a school shooter,
you may be a school engager, the first engager, but
you may not have or be legally able to protect
yourself in any way with a firearm. So hearing you time,

(24:49):
we can, okay, So tell us about some of the
requirements that you've had to because you're not done yet
in all the requirements, but tell us about some of
the requirements that you've had to go through.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
I've had to go through a psychiatric tennist and it
was almost an hour long where you had to fill
out things and answer questions and stuff to make sure
you know, it was.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
A toll the you're not waiting and hoping for the
chance to shoot somebody basically, no, yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Exactly, I'm hoping and praying I never have to be
in that situation. You know, my uncle was a sheriff
or there was a sheriff in California. One thing he
always told me is you the sheriff or police are
law enforcement. They'll do their best to get there. By
law of times, they get their time to collect evidence.
And so he said, you're kind of on your own

(25:38):
until we can get there and help you.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So you've been you've been with UH in education or
in school districts and that for a number of years.
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yes, close to twenty years.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Have you thought about it? Has it run through your mind,
what might happen, what you might do? What you know,
what could occur in your school?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yes, it has, and I even try to sometimes. I'll
even kind of in my mind think of a situation,
what would I do? You know this and that, because
I think schools make it even more there's a whole
bunch of stuff that can be going on at the time,
you know, the school shooting and stuff. So I have
tried to mentally prep myself to what would I do

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in this situation or not?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Do any of your colleagues know that you're thinking about
that you're pursuing the Guardian program?

Speaker 5 (26:28):
They don't. It was we were told that we were
not to talk about it with anyone that needs to
stay with us. I know after Sandy Hook just in
conversations with you know, some of my colleagues they wish
that we you know, they said, I hope there's people
in our building that carry and stuff. That's one of
those things that it's not really talked about because we

(26:49):
don't want.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
It out there.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So okay, go ahead, bell D I got a question
for you.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
So, how does when you get assigned to school, what
is your daily activity there? What does that entail for
you Are you just kind of roaming the halls? Are
you just kind of going from point A to point B?
How do you blend in?

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Well, I work there, and so I don't know if
I want to say not my actual.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, No, I I don't want that, Okay.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
I'm I'm out and about with students throughout the day,
various different students, different places in the school. I'm not
just area.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
You're more of an employee of the district or the school,
then yes, Okay, okay, Because there's a difference for our
listeners to know is that there's armed guardians that are
not teachers, are not principals, not counselors. But are there
to be an armed guardian?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Well, yeah, but I think I think the guardian program
built you need to be an employee already of the school, yes,
and you just can't be a teacher or a principal.
But there are exceptions, right right, Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
I so some of our teachers have expressed, you know,
when they came out with that last year and said that,
I don't know if they you know, followed through and
did it, but I do know there's there's teachers that
were interested.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
In doing it, all right, do you think this is
a good idea that other states thought it'll be looking into.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
I definitely think it's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So because we are Gun Radio Utah, is is certainly nationwide,
if not worldwide. And do you see any downfalls to this?
Do you see any potential problems?

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Not really, because I think the background check they do
on us, and the psychological check that they putish the
and we even had to meet with a live therapist
face or over zoom so they can see our body
language and stuff. I'm hoping they're doing everything they can
to make sure we have good people in there.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And so this is it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I think it's a benefit. And I agree with you
because you could already carry a gun. You yourself could
already carry one, but you're choosing to put yourself to
even higher scrutiny. And twice a year you have to recertify,
you have to go through the site test, the shooting test,
you have to be nominated. And so I have to
applaud you and all the other school guardians out there.

(29:23):
Thank you for keeping our kids safe and for being
on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
All Right, when we come back, we've got lots more
to cover on gun Radio Utah. You stay tuned the ability.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
For the thirty caliber clip to disperse with thirty bullets
within half a second.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay, So that was all right. So that was nice
of him to say a thirty caliber clip to dispense,
that's a ghost gun. So so, Bill, you know what
we didn't ask Representative Wilcox about was if they will
allow ghost guns in for the guardians. I don't know,

(30:03):
I was going to go there. Hey, And just because
as an aside that Representative Wilcox told us that while
he was talking, he was literally in a meeting or
it just stepped out of a meeting for the National
School Safety Program with those people from Florida who lost kids.
And you know, the media would have you think that

(30:25):
all the parents of the kids who died when that
murderer came in to these schools want gun control, want
you know, no guns and this kind of thing. Now
that these folks are realistic, they understand what's going on,
and so he's literally meeting with them. I think it
was in Florida. Didn't he say he was in Florida?
Right now? Yeah, So I got to tell you, Representative

(30:47):
Wilcox is showing fantastic leadership in this bill and making
it I think a perfect template for other states to do. Bill,
I am going to talk right now about not about
ghost guns, but about all the other guns that are
in your that are in your guns safer, in your
closet or wherever they are, that they're not working right.

(31:08):
You want them change, you want them Sarah Coota. Do
you want them refinished? You want them fixed, you want
them threaded, You want to put a red dot optic
on there?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
What have you got?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Bill? You're showing me pictures while I'm on there. That
looks very good. It looks very religious, though. Bill is
coming up with a with a logo logo and it
looks very It looks extremely religious. Not that there's anything
bad with that, but anyway, let me tell you about
the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse without Bill interrupting me with
his picture showing you can get a hold of them

(31:40):
at eight oh one three zero four eighty seventy eight
one three zero four eighty seventy. You can actually take
your firearm down to them if you're around the Salt
Lake area. Sixteen thirty South fifty seventy west in Salt
Lake city, or you can take it to any of
the over one hundred and forty six sportsmen's warehouse locations
and tell them get this to the gunsmith. The gunsmith

(32:02):
is highly trained, they're very certified. They're not just people
with a druma tool in a file. They are actual
certified gunsmiths that can fix and modify your weapon in
whatever legal way that you want it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Bill, What have you got, Well, probably the biggest reason
why you want your gun clean just because you're using
so much ammo. And we pick up our ammo from
Utah Shooing Sports Council at flash My Brass and they're
having their end of summer sale valid through today at
the Give them a call, reach out to them if
you have any questions.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But check out this.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
They got nine millimeter four hundred round cans, eighty nine
bucks thousand rounds for full metal jacket two nineteen. They've
got shot gun shells forty five ACP five hundred round
case one eight nine thirty eight special And you know
it was kind of interesting. I was in there this week.

(32:59):
They had a bunch of forty Smith and Wesson that
they've gotten from the Coastguard for their AMMO some holow
points that are going at a really goodbye, but give
them a call. You can check them out at Flashmybrass
dot com or go to them on site. Eighteen oh
two Sandhill Create sand Hill Road in Orum and four

(33:21):
thirty eight west on one hundred and twenty third South
in Draper, just on the north side of the road.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And they're opening I think till five o'clock today.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, and tell me and I heard about this on
gun Radio Utah. And they'll give you some extra special goodies.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I'm sure, but you know, and I mean they have nothing.
I mean they have Ammo there. I think occasionally they'll
have some magazines, but you can get AMMO by the box,
by the case, by the palette, and they've got some
unusual AMMO. I was just in there again and they
literally have thirty two Winchester Special, which is kind of
a necked out thirty thirty. But I actually have my

(33:58):
dad's old gun, that Leverack model ninety four Winchester that
shoots thirty two win Special and you don't see it
that often. So and so I bought them. And anyway,
but they've got a lot of you know, I don't
want to say obscure rounds, but you've got obviously they
have every six point five permutation in existence, I think,

(34:20):
in addition but also all your standard caliber what we
call standard. But you said forty Smith and Wesson. A
lot of folks have moved from forty Smith and Wesson
because it was super popular, you know, back then, fifteen
twenty years ago or so, and a lot of people
still have guns for that, and they've switched over. If
they have a glock or springfield, they've moved over to

(34:40):
that nine mil and they just put a nine mil
barrel in and maybe switch the magazine out and they
can shoot that. Well, now they can go back and
shoot the forty again. There's nothing wrong with the forty
Smith and Wesson compared to the nine it's just other
than you don't hold as much capacity. But they're basically
you know, it's one milimeters difference, but.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Most people would gone to the ten mil. The ten
mil just you know, just give up on the nine,
give up on the four, just go ten mil.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, all the grief the sig the sig B
three twenty is getting is I think it's all been
with a nine mil because I have a Sigel and
so have.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
You You've you know, and tried it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It's never given me any grief. I don't know. So
I have to pick a gun because we're gonna go
to Yellowstone. The the in laws are and we're all
going to Yellowstone in a few weeks. And I have
to pick a good, a good trail gun. Maybe I
think I'm thinking the ten mil with hard cast bullets.
I would go, what are you giving me that? Look for?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I wouldn't go with the hard cast bullets. I'd go
with the hornity backcountry defense.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
What tell me about that?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
That's a that's a new new big ammo for you
know bears in that this specific and it's obviously a
full metal jacket. It's what we talked about a few
weeks ago. And I got to get some myself because
it's hard to kind of find. That's one I have
not found in a lot of stores.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Maybe I should ask the ranger station when I get there, Hey,
what's the best animal? What's the best round for my gun?
For bison and moose and that kind of stuff? Up here?
And see what kind of look what type of pepper
spray is do the bears for? I mean, yeah, hey,
all right, So anyway, don't forget you got to go
check out saf dot org slash gRPC Second Amendment Foundation.

(36:37):
They are the ones that are in all those big
court cases, all the United States Supreme Court cases and
the lower district court cases. They are there fighting for you.
You've really got to plan on going to that Gun
Rights Policy conference right here in Utah fortieth Annual. So Bill,
you have to let me know how that fr I
works this week.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, well, we're going to have a big report on
that here in a couple of weeks. Uh on the
super safety alrightill next week, Bill, take care, have a
good one everyone,