Gun Radio Utah: Charlie Kirk

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, okay, so it looks like Bill Petterson is going
to take the coaches chair here for a moment. Welcome
to Gun Radio, Utah. We've got a lot to cover
here for you. God, what an amazing week we've had
for Utah in general. And also we had memorials for
September eleventh, twenty four years I was just thinking about that,

(00:24):
you know, not just the other day twenty four years ago,
where I was at what I was doing, and man,
I can't believe it was twenty twenty four years ago.
We're going to work on getting Clark back online. We
had some echo coming back from his system there, but
we think we might have it figured out. So Clark

(00:46):
will chime in if you all kind of watch from
you here, but we'll get him. On the other great tragedy,
tragedy that we've all been watching and been shocked myself, Uh,
Utah Valley University with the Charlie Kirk incident. Unfortunate, What

(01:13):
a tragedy for for Utah, A tragedy for a big
time for the Kirk family and Erica and her her
kids and everything, and and uh, we'll get, we'll get,
we'll get. We're gonna get we're gonna, we're gonna. Yeah,

(01:33):
so we're working the feedback thing here, Clark, go ahead
and give me a word there. If you've getten near me. Nope,
we don't have you yet, Clark, but we'll get you
in here. But uh yeah, we're going to talk about
some of the things. Clark was very busy uh this week,
not only for here in Utah, but domestically, uh here

(01:57):
in the nation and internet with media calls in regards
to Utah and gun laws, and we'll go over that.
Also going to talk about things that we can learn
from this. And it got me to reflect quite a
bit on a lot of things myself, just the thought

(02:22):
of what had transpired. I was actually scheduled to go
to the event. I was just up the road, just
finishing up some client work, and then I was head
I was going to head down, but they had the
road closed doing some pavement work, and so I ended
up driving around. And as I was driving around, I

(02:44):
just happened to go buy Tempanoga's Hospital and that's when
I saw all the lights and sirens, police highway patrol,
from law enforcement from different agencies go flying into the
Tempanoga's Regional Hospital and I'm like, what the heck happened?
I just I kind of figured the first thing came

(03:04):
to my mind. You know, a law enforcement officer may
have gotten hurt and was being escorted in or there
was something going on at the hospital. But yeah, just
it just and then all of a sudden, my phone
just went ballistic text messages from a group of friends
and our Second Amendment group here in Utah with legislators

(03:27):
and that of what had actually happened, and oh it
was just heartbreaking, heartbreaking. I think the hardest thing for
most people is when you you might not know Charlie
Kirk personally, you might not have that one on one relationship,

(03:48):
but we're attached to his videos, his YouTube shorts and
his videos that he would put out, and maybe you'd
be involved with his podcasts that he would do every day.
But you felt connected to this guy. He's a very
very likable guy, and we're going to talk about some

(04:09):
of the things that he stood for. I'm going to
tell you this, he was he was all in. Let
me put it that way. He was an all in
kind of gentleman. And we'll talk about some of his
traits and his character here in the next segment, we're

(04:29):
going to take a break here for a moment. We're
gonna get Clark back online. Here you're listening to gun
Radio Utah and we'll be right back after this message.
Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
When you're dealing with four microphones and speakers and laptops
from ghost dimnor Hey, sometimes this happens.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
We are glad to be back. Bill.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Thanks for for stepping up there there in the street.
That's why we had in the studio.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Sometimes I know, yeah, yeah, I'll just leave, all right.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So it's been a it's been a rough last four days.
It's been rough with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. You know,
the media always this is where we get our information from,
is the media. And as as you could probably figure, uh,
the media gives us a call and they were trying

(05:23):
somehow you could just hear it in their voices. They
were trying somehow to relate Utah gun laws and how
Utah gun laws caused this assassination, aided in the assassination,
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
They used to they used a special word, the promiscuous laws,
gun laws, permissive, permissive gun laws, permissive i apology, permissive
gun laws, thinking and Clark, you were calling me. We
were talking a lot this week during this and I

(05:58):
was getting more and more angry. I'm like, Clark, you
got to tell these guys it had nothing to do
with the permissive gun laws of Utah. This was a
this is a bad person that did a bad thing,
and they're trying to tie into our gun laws of
how that would cause that, and it had nothing nothing
to do.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And Bill, try as I might, so I was on
with the AP, I was, I was on with Swedish TV,
I was on with the with every news place here
in Utah as well as others. And you know, it
got me to the point Bill where I was asking
them a question because they weren't figuring it out. I
honestly asked them, I said, you tell me what gun

(06:40):
law would have changed this. We're talking about a rifle
which is over one hundred years old. I mean the
rifle itself may not have been, but the design of
that rifle is one hundred years old old, a Mauser
ninety eight. It's shooting a cartridge, the thirty six, which
was one hundred twenty years old, at least one.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Hundred and twenty years old.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
One in fact, the very name of the cartridge, thirty
odd six denotes the caliber thirty and the six was
the year was adopted by the military nineteen o six.
It used an internal magazine, not a detachable magazine. That
magazine held at the most five rounds and it and.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's bold action.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah so.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I remember when we went to the memorium there
on Wednesday evening, organized by Representative carry On Lismby, and
we had the news asking us, well, how could any
any regular person other than a military sniper or a tactical,
you know, a police sniper make a two hundred yard shot?

(07:50):
And I had to, yet they were still pontificating on
you know that it must have been some you know,
military train person. I try to tell him that's a
fairly average shot.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
That isn't even getting into long range.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yet, No, you don't even get you don't even broach,
in my opinion, getting into long range until you're four
hundred just on the edge of long range is four
hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
In fact, to give you an idea, we all know.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
That bullets start dropping the moment they leave the muzzle
if the muzzle is perfectly horizontal.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And that's why the muzzles.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The barrel of the rifle, if you will, is pointed
ever so slightly upward. You can't see that when you
look at the gun, but they rely the bullet basically
makes a big arc, and depending on where you zero
it in at, that bullet at two hundred yards from
a thirty out six is technically still climbing. It's still

(08:50):
rising above the bore. So it's certainly not a long
range shot. And we found out later that he had
a scope on it. Yeah, well that that changes everything too.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think a bigger issue is since it's not a
gun issue. It's not a concealed carry issue. It's not
a permit holder issue. It's not an eighteen or somebody
under eighteen getting access to their parents' gun issue.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
It wasn't a waiting period one. It's not an assault
rifle issue.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's not a magazine issue.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
It's what does it boiled down to.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It was a weapon of war?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh yeah, I mean technically absolutely, this was a military
weapon way back when.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, it absolutely was, so I wouldn't go to war
with it today, but yeah, back in the day.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
But Bill, why if in these heady.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Days of assassination attempts in these heady days of political
discourse of violent again people, you know, whether it be
you know, hand to hand violence or pushing or what,
or you know, actual bullets whizzing at our president. Uh

(10:07):
why didn't they anticipate, Well, they knew there was going
to be you know, some type of Uh. Well, they
had the students or somebody had organized a petition to
block Charlie Kirk's free speech essentially at that campus, and
they knew there were some groups behind this that were

(10:29):
known to.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Have some violence in their history, agitator.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Why didn't they built I'm going to ask you just honestly,
why didn't they one have more security and two have
just one person on a roof.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, I've been asking myself that question all week. Here's
what we do know. We had over three thousand people
in attendance. Okay, we only had Charlie Kirk's security team,
and we only had six UVU police officers on campus
at the event.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Watching it.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
And the sixth security team or rather, his security team
was basically designed well from what I can tell, to
confront an onslaught on the stage.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Right, if you will, and most of the law enforcement
officers that were there were up front as well also,
so but yeah, I have to ask you know, when
you have that, I mean to me, at a minimum,
put Bill Peterson up there on a roof of a
pair of binoculars in a radio I'll give you and

(11:38):
to give you a bird's eye view of what's going
on at the event.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Or put a drone up there for going's sake. I'm
actually surprised. I don't know whether they banned drones or what,
but I'm surprised that somebody didn't have a drone that
they were flying around. I used to manage a concert
security company many many years ago, what was it been,
thirty years ago something, and we even put people in
elevated positions to be spotters. If there was an elevated

(12:07):
position available, we would put them there.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
But the concert.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
But that security, when I look at it, it reminded
me more of concert security.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
They weren't.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
We were never ever really worried about somebody shooting, like
an assassination on one of the performers. We were worried
more about somebody rushing the stage. And that's what it
reminded me of. So anyway, you know, Bill, you've shot
long range You've been a hunter for many, many years.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Two hundred yards not a big deal, am I? Right?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Well?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, in fact, I started hunting well when I was
you know, sixteen was the law or legal age you
could hunt big game in Utah. But I've been proficient
with a thirty odd six for since I wasrobably fourteen
years of age. Me and my father would have some

(13:04):
competitive one on ones with each other and we got very,
very good with the thirty six. I don't hunt with
one of those today. I've chosen a different caliber gun.
But you know, to do uh, I remember I took
I've taken elk at three hundred and fifty yards uphill.

(13:25):
You know, with one shot, A two hundred yard shot
is not a difficult shot to do. And like you
were saying, we're talking to the media Wednesday evening, they
were blown away. They were like, you got to be kidding, but.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
They were blown away at the reality that that's not
a big a big time shot, right And somebody I
could literally, even though I'm not a long range shooter,
I could train somebody to do that shot in probably
five minutes, yeah, or less. With certainly with a rest,
I wouldn't be doing it freestanding, holding it without some
kind of a rest or, you know, a lip of

(14:04):
a roof, if you will, or a bipod and with
a scope, Oh my gosh, it'd be pretty pretty easy
to do. But the media in that they were amazed,
were still, like I said, giving editorial, giving pontific, you know,
saying that this had to be that even in the
lack of knowledge, you know, I'll.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Tell you I was interviewed, like I said, by the AP.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think it went out, I don't know, twenty twenty
five different news outlets picked up on that, and it
was mostly about what are the gun laws in Utah
and what they didn't include in that?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
And I did.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I said, Utah has, if not the most, one of
the most permissive statutes or collection of firearm statutes in
the nation. I don't know of a state that has
more permissive laws than we do. There's some differences in that.
But and and and yet and I told them this,

(15:03):
and I always continued with it. Yet we have the
third lowest homicide rate in the nation. And I reminded
them what and I told them the other two states,
New Hampshire and Vermont, and and how we were what
are we four tenths of one degree? Four tens of
a percent off from the lowest. And I tried to

(15:26):
explain to them, you know where that how that's derived,
and so on and so forth, and they still just said,
did you know what the question was? On one of
the news outlets, did Utah's lax gun laws contribute to
Charlie Kirk's death? They literally used that as the head
of their ap story.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And you tell me, well, tell me, it's like law
would have prevented this? Yeah, what gun law would have
prevented it? But it's like, gosh darn it, why can't
Why will they keep blaming the firearm and not blamed
the individual that did this horrific act? It just blows
me away.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Charlie Kirk was prophetic about this. You know, he he
anticipated this, He anticipated the lefts thing and and you
know he if if one thing you can say about
Charlie Kirk is.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
He remained rather.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't want to say, emotion less, but unruffled in
these debates. He'd be very calm and he liked the
debate for him, the back and forth. One of his
statements is when discourse ends, violence begins, and you know,

(16:47):
I think it was a Secretary of State, and it
could have even been Winston Churchill for all I remember,
you know when negotiation and and that ends war begins.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well look Rush in Ukraine. I mean perfect example, I
mean perfect example.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I mean all he did he gave people a
place to speak and converse and learn from one another.
And uh, and they shot him, well, and they blamed him.
And not only did they shoot him and blame him,
but now they celebrate his death.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well again, Clark, it wasn't the it wasn't just the
platform that they he gave them to debate. He invited
those that didn't agree with him to come to the
front of the line. He was like, I want to
hear from these people first. And you might not like
some of his political stances, but he always did it

(17:47):
in a rational way. He didn't be little people. I mean,
there are some videos out there transgenders. He's giving hope
and praise to and prayer that they can work out
their issues, that they can find themselves. That he's always

(18:08):
leading people in a positive manner. He put forward Christian values.
I mean one of the biggest things he talked about
the youth. And I think This was kind of one
of the interesting things is the younger generation. You know,
they're saying that had a huge impact on the last election,
and I truly agree, but the youth kind of felt like, Hey,
I'm starting to see these things that are happening around me.

(18:31):
That's happening in schools, happening with government, happening with my work.
I can't afford a home. And Charlie Kirk nailed those
points and open their eyes. He didn't say you have
to believe me or do what I do, but take
a look around you and make up your own decision.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So, hey, before we go, before we go on the segment,
I want to get the same because we're going to
come up on third segment.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Here, no good segue.

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(19:20):
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(19:43):
got more to talk about.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I want to talk about what new legislation do you
foresee in the wake of this.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
When we come back on Gun Radio Utah, stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
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we do up on the capital. But you know there's

(20:14):
a big awakening right now to get involved. Don't sit
on your laurels, but get involved. Sometimes I think, uh,
Clark Charlie saw a lot of things that could happen,
and I think I've got a great clip there. I'd
love to have you.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, listen, listen to this one. This is this was
I don't know, three or four years ago. I think
hang on.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
So then ever, they're going to be taking now Twitter
accounts left and right. They're gonna be taking up videos
on YouTube. They are going to be coming after us.
They're going to be following us in the middle of
the night. They're going to be breaking into our houses.
You think I'm joking. They are going to have violent
that you will not be able to walk the streets
of the Maga hat without your your physical health be
put in jeopardy.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
And I hope it doesn't get that way.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I hope that this clip gets unearthed and everything's like wonderful.
I hope that a country comes together and we have
a beautiful munitarian healing moment.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
All right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
So yeah, and we saw that, I mean we've we've
even seen that this week at a vigil up in
Boise where a guy just starts profan of the lacing
Charlie Kirk, and thank goodness for those folks. They they
whipped his guys butt and I'm glad they did.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Right, here's another one. Here's another clip.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I found that that we have been warned and Charlie
saw this, you know, Bill, we put ourselves out there
we do not as much, not nearly as much as
Charlie Kirk. But uh, I know you have gotten nasty
phone calls, emails, uh messages, Facebook things. I continue to
get them and some are absolutely direct threats and that

(21:46):
type of thing, and uh, somehow we continue.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
All right, here's what Here's what he said a while ago,
Charlie Kirk, you.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Will never be the best version of yourself if you
allow other people to convince you that you can't be
better because of your skin color.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
No, that's not the one I wanted. I wanted this one.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
At the core of the left, at the core of
a liberal, as someone that would use the sword of
they had it.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
They are very violent people at their core. They always
have it.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
They can't debate, they can't have conversation, so they'll resort
to these tactics. They're going to do everything they possibly
can to try to murder this movement because they can't
beat us, so they're going to try to take weapons.
And no, we're very aware of that. I'm aware of it.
We have full time security. This is not a joke.
This is who these people.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Are, all right, So, uh, Bill, we know that.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
What do you think as far as the media driving
legislation or just I mean, we don't even need the
media driving legislator, legislator.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's our leadership today.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's our leadership now.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Not that not that some of these left legislators need
to have a direct metric from what happened to their legislation.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
That they'll they'll be expanding on you know, magazine capacity,
even though this wasn't a removable magazine, and you know,
so on and so forth. What do you see happening?
You know, what kind of legislation do you see happening
that they might try to use this for?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well, here's where I have a hard time with that one, Clark.
And the reason why is because it came from their side.
This was done by the other team. Okay, what can
they do? I mean, to be honest, the only reason
why we haven't heard much. I mean, there's been some

(23:53):
talk at the federal level and they're blaming you know,
why we don't have permissive gun laws. But there's still
not blaming the individuals yet. But what can they say
and do? It was their side. You've got Tim Walls
out there saying I'm opening my phone every morning and
hoping to see that Donald Trump is dead. I am.

(24:15):
And we've got others that are saying campaigning, saying we've
got to put everything we can do to stop this rhetoric.
And they're calling out people to it's off on them
to do it. And then when violence happens, and we
can all look at you know, Antifa, Summer of Love,

(24:36):
where were those people? They were encouraging it, and they
continue to encourage this stuff. And I really am concerned
about our youth because in their mindsight, they're getting this information,
they're fed this information, and they're acting on this information.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
And opel.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
We have had so much media on radio, on television,
social media, whether it be Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
We've had conspiratorial theories.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
We have your own friends and our own friends taking
one side, you know, very emphatically, or the other side.
I've had people that I really thought were akin to
my views completely change things around. There's so much chatter,
there's so much din uh, there's so much noise. If

(25:33):
you will, and I wonder if you know, I'm just
gonna throw let's get some introspective here. Forget about the noise,
forget about the chatter, and let's take a moment to
ponder this, to reflect, if you will, to just quiet
that down and Bill and Denny, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Ask for.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Of some silence in the world, silence in the neighborhood,
silence and social media. And I want, I want, Bill,
what do you think I want? Fifteen minutes of radio silence.
Fifteen seconds of radio silence starting now.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Just take that time. I think that time just for
some quiet. I know, fifteen seconds is not a long time.
Maybe take some time to just sit back and and
and ponder though, ponder what all this noise is about,
and think about it. You know, I don't care if
it's left or if it's right, if it's trans or

(26:54):
gay or straight. This was an evil person and regardless,
and you know what, you can have evil people on
the right and evil people on the left.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
This was an evil act and an evil person.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And hey, I'm sure Hitler probably started out as a
great little kid, but somehow along.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
The way he was affected.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
He was what do they call it? He was he
was affected, he was influenced, He was into this. And
you know, why is it that so many of these groups,
especially ones that are kind of anti trimocracy groups will

(27:41):
call them, we can name them. But uh, why do
they go bill? Why did they go to the to
the junior highs? Where do they go to the high schools?
Why do they go to the colleges? Why don't why
don't they go to the old folks homes? Why don't
they go to the old folks homes? Why don't they
go to the to I don't know, outdoor concerts that

(28:03):
are playing classic rock or anything like that. Why are
they going to these places where young people are built.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, it's like I tell my kids. I haven't had
to tell them this for quite some time now, but
as an older adult, mature adult, we have forgotten more
than what this younger generation has yet to learn. And
what I mean by that is they're manipula. If they
are learning, they're having their eyes wide open seeing things

(28:35):
that are happening around them. They have questions, they have concerns,
and sometimes they go to social media to find their answers,
where their answers aren't really there. There's nothing at the
other end of social media. It's fake. And that's why

(28:56):
I am off social media. I just I mean, I
do little Instagram, but I'll post things. I don't respond,
I don't comment on things. I just post things. But
if I'm off all the others, And it's because two
things I've learned is one I will never get the
time back that I've spent on social media. It's a

(29:18):
complete waste of time. And if you're searching and looking
for answers in your life that can help and lead
and guide you, maybe on your knees in prayer, you
might find your answers instead of some person you might
not even know it even exists at the other end

(29:39):
of the world.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
All right, when we come back, we'll have our last
segment and one more thing from Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
We'll come right back.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Stay tuned, Bill Patterson with your United States flag.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I'm filming. I'll tell you righting into the studio, I
was getting a lot of looks.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Who are on your motorcycle LINEA. I mean, yeah, okay, all.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Right, Bill, you know something that's going to be big now,
I mean it was already going to be big, but
I'm sure the topic is going to come up at
the fortieth Annual Gun Rights Policy Conference coming up in
just a couple of weeks September twenty sixth to the
twenty eight It's going to be held in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
This year.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
We're honored to have a Second Amendment Foundation and the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep meir Arms bring
that Gun Rights Policy Conference to Salt Lake City. Sign up,
sign up go to SAF dot org slash gRPC.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
SAF dot org slash gRPC.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
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sign up to be a volunteer and help us out
either one day, two days.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
All three days.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Everything about this SAF conference Gun Rights Policy Conference is free,
all the materials you get. There are dozens and dozens
of sponsors, big name gun related sponsors that are going
to be at this event, given out free stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
But the talks are going to be fantastic despite even
me going to be speaking there, I think. So anyway,
go to that event registration it's free, and plan on
being there downtown Salt Lake City. All right, Bill, while
we were on the break, I think you have heard.
I got a call from the media, somebody out of
New York. I'm assuming it's either well, I don't know

(31:32):
who it is, but we'll call them back. And so
they're still doing this because Utah is an oddity bill.
Utah is an oddity we have Hey, you cannot You
can't say we have real strict gun laws and.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Lo homicide, right, it's just the opposite.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So there are those that say that the more restrictive
gun laws, you know, like say Illinois or New York
or California, leads to.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
More crime.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well that's not necessarily the case, because there are some
states that have lower crime, lower homicide rates, and still
have restrictive gun laws. But it doesn't hold true because
there are states with very permissive gun laws, like Utah
with the third lowest in the nation. And it really

(32:24):
comes down to culture. It honestly comes down to culture.
They're barely starting to talk about this now, and you know,
why do we why do we have guns? You know,
the Supreme Court has argued that in the Heller decision,
and they finally came out unequivocally without apologies and said,

(32:47):
this is an individual right. It's not a federal right
by the military to have these guns. It's not even
a right of the state militia or the state like
the Utah National Guard to have them. No, it's an
actual individual rights and that's what the Constitution really talks about,
our individuals, Thank you, Bill. And so it talks about individuals.

(33:12):
And why would it then deviate in its very very
second amendment, the first the Bill of Rights in the
first ten amendments of the Constitution talk about a state
or government, right?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
It doesn't? And why do we have these well as?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I'm paraphrasing Justice antonin Scalia for the dreaded anticipation
of confrontation. No, we're not waiting. We're certainly not hoping
for such an engagement. But we must realize and not
be naive and prepare for something like this. To prepare
is not to be paranoid anymore than you're not paranoid

(33:51):
for having a fire extinguisher in your home, a first
aid kit, a smoke detector. Do you put your seat
belt on? Are you paranoid about a car accident? No?
Do you get training in first aid? We recommend it.
Do you get training un stop the bleed?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
And do you get training in using a firearm in
lawful self defense? Yeah? That's not paranoid. It's being prepared.
It's not being naive to that. Okay, Bill, what have
we got? Have We've got to time this correctly.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, we got less than a minute here coming up,
but you know, you bring up some really good points,
Sarah Clark. I just I just hope this, I really
want this tragedy to kind of be an awakening for
some people to get more actively involved. You don't have
to put yourself in danger, but be more actively involved,

(34:45):
being more actively informed. And I mean, I just I mean,
we hate to hear and see of any death or incident,
but man, I'm just feeling.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Let's leave this with the words of Charlie Kirk as
we under show today end with his message the.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Next time you see somebody who is suffering or is
being treated unjustly and you can intervene, you do something
about it. You stand up to the bully, You put
your own neck on there, and you choose what is
right over.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
What is comfortable.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
The most masculine people that I know are the ones
that go into places where they are not welcome, they
were not invited, that they will be boog off stage,
and they still proclaim the truth.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
That's what it means to be a man.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
They know that if men and Christian men start to
recommit to the truths and the promises of the Bible
that this country can and will be saved. I hope
we'll do it. God bless you guys.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Thanks come much and Bill, we ended that a little
keny bit early before our break comes up.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
But yeah, stay ever Villagilan.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
What a good man, what a good man. God bless.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
All right, Bill until next week.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm going to Yellowstone this week and uh I will
be back uh for the for the show on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Okay, be safe, Thank you one for listening. Prayersday and
everyone sorts