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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A show dedicated to preserving and protecting your constitutional right
to bear arms for your security and sport. Here's your host,
well known gun rights advocate and chairman of the Utah
Shooting Sports Council, Clark Oposion, and a super.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Big happy springtime. Welcome to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
I am your hose Clark opposition. Sitting across from me virtually,
if not literally, is Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting
Sports Council. And so I, by way of admission, perhaps
maybe I am broadcasting live from Ivan's, Utah and uh,
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and we'll tell you what we're when I'm what I'm
doing down here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You're in studio.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm in studio. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
So for our audience that are not from the Utah area,
because we do have a very large audience. You shared
some numbers with me this past week about Utah is.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So well, I mean, anyway, so Ivans is what is it?
It's it's near Saint George. It's like twenty minutes from
Saint George down towards Snow Canyon area and that kind
of thing. So anyway, so I'll tell you what we're
doing down there in a bit. But We've got a
heck of a show for you today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh, We're well.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
One of the things is, I'm going to tell you
what I'm doing down here in the in beautiful southern Utah.
And uh, and what's going on. I'm going to tell
you about what happened in Alabama. I'm the news is
just falling all over themselves as to what the Alabama
governor just signed. And we'll tell you why. Hey, folks,
it's really a nothing burger. Anyway, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We've also got some stuff going on in the Ninth
Circuit and the Fifth Circuit. Big thing on suppressors, another
big thing on magazines in ninth Circuit, which is all
these lower courts. I don't know, they're they're having an
identity crisis. I think Bill is they don't They don't
know which way to go. Do we be liberal? Do
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we do this?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Do we you know?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But good news is we'll talk about it. Pam Bondy
do do do do? Is coming to the rescue. The
new attorney general and under a directive from President Trump
to hey, let's take a good clear non Biden look
at firearm policies from the Department of Justice, so we've
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got that.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
What else do I have on my list of stuff? Oh?
North Carolina, that's another one.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
North Carolina is well on its way to joining the club.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We'll we'll, we'll definitely we'll talk about that. But what
have you got?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, I stopped by earlier at the International Sportsman's Expo
in Sandy talk about that, and then also we'll give
you an update on well some things just be aware
of on the wildlife calendar if you're a big game
hunter here in Utah. So, uh yeah, but I'm I'm
really excited.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I was on. I went on. I went on
to the Why do I keep getting is it d
n R d w R?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Get I'll say d WR because it's wildlife.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, I would say the wild WR so as well.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, So so I went on there and it was
like early in the morning the other day when it
opened up. And then I had questions on the once
in a lifetime hunt and the limited hunt, and so
I called you and you said, oh, you.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Can hold off on that, so don't even go down.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So I'm holding off, So don't don't let me get
on a subject right now.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And I I yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, it's a very
touchy subject. I don't know how much hunting I'm going
to get in this year. I don't want to say that.
My wife put her foot down on it, but she
has me doing something else during the muzzleoader deer hunt
and the rifle l hunt, and it's not in this country.
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So all right, yeah, alright, you mentioned this before.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Have you got anything else before I go into my stuff?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
No, we're good. Let's hear what you got?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You be done with your Well, this is our stuff.
This is actually our stuff, all right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So I happen to get a note from a listener
to gun Radio Utah to check out a website called
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You already know, so you're not allowed to stop. But
we're in the top five when the top five percent
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Colonna's right there it is, and that's good. Well the
studio audience is they're excited about.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So let me tell you what what I've been doing
down here in Ivans. Ivans is like this. It's kind
of a cool little place. It's up against the Red
Rocks and at least the part that we went to
the Center for the Performing Arts something something I'm extremely
liberal with my you know, the boutiques and this kind
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of stuff. I mean, seriously, so uh, I got in.
I was interviewed backstore. I was interviewed over the last
two years, two or three times by a playwright named
Dan Fruit. Dan's out of ucl He lives in Los Angeles,
and he's been at UCLA twenty twenty twenty five years
or so, and he he makes plays and he goes
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around the country, interviewed in this most recent thing called
Arms around America, and and let's just just just get
it out there.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Dan's a liberal.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Dan's liberal, and however he seems fairly fairly open minded.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, when you say liberal arts clerk, I already gone
down that path.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You're you'd already you'd already, you've already you understood the
assignment already.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So so anyway, so he's he interviewed me, He asked
me to come up. I went up to the University
of Utah they were host king him or whatever, and
interviewed me about, you know, my views on guns and
what we do about guns and guns. Guns, guns, guns
are great, all right. So then he starts talking about
this project he has in which it's a play, or
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rather a series of six short plays that last just
over an hour, and they're done with only like three
or four actors in them, and the actors typically just
sit behind a microphone and do a kind of like
the old school radio shows where they would do all
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the sound effects.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, they'd bring shoes in and clump them on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The on the wood and and you know, crinkling paper
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So, and that's kind of how the plays are set up,
kind of in that style of a old style radio platform,
where you know, each actor does two or three voices.
So what he's done is he's collected a whole bunch
of stories about guns and let me just throw it
in there, about how terrible they are or about how
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people lose them and how people get shot with them,
and so on and so forth. And these are actual stories, though,
and he makes it point to bring up the actual
person and pictures whenever possible, of the person that was affected.
And I will tell you this, they're very thought provoking.
The way they're produced, they're very thought provoking. So anyway,
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we watch these shows, and so I got invited by
Dan to come two or three of his performances here
over this weekend, watch these and then sit at what
he calls a kitchen table with three or four other people.
Story spoiler, I'm the only gun person there. Not only
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am I the only gun person there, I'm the only
person that is even barely right of center.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So anyway, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And so we sit around this kitchen table afterwards, and
the kitchen table is now the stage, if you will,
and the audience can just watch us discuss what we
just watched on the plays. So anyways, we did that
for the first time last night. We did a It
was a seven thirty performance. And when we come back,
(09:05):
I think we'll go.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Into what and oh.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They also allow audience members, if they feel so inclined,
to sit down at the table and engage in dialogue.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So I got a lot of questions for you on
this Clark you do oh I.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Got Well, wait till I tell you. I will tell you.
It was worthwhile. It was in.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It was engaging, and I had to kind of put
it in low gear because this was not supposed to
be a debate. It wasn't supposed to be a confrontational
It was supposed to be a sitting around a kitchen
table discussing in that and for the most part.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think it worked.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
When we come back, there's lots more to follow on
Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
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(10:07):
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and we'll be glad to answer any questions you've got. Hey,
there is this is a funny day. I mean it's
three twenty two. But if you're a little dyslexic, like
our European counterparts, this might be two two three day.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But you can go check two.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Two three day. In Europe it's two two three Yes,
two two three day.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But if you head over to Flash my Brass.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That was my segue, Clark.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
If you go over to Flash my Brass, they will
be so happy to give you a box of twenty
two long rifle, fifty round box. And it's not the
cheap stuff. It's CCI while supplies last CCI. But they've
got some great deals on nine millimeter federal full metal jacket.
You need two hundred rounds with can fifty five bucks,
(11:00):
one thousand rounds for two thirty nine The hell you say?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I know? Five seven by twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
We're talking about this full metal jacket, four hundred and
fifty round case.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, hold hold on, backup, back up, FMJ five seven.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yep, really, yep. Guess how much that's interesting?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Two hundred bucks one thousand, two hundred dollars two hundred
bucks more.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's FMJ five to seven. Yeah, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, So yeah, you give them a check out over there,
or you always give them a call, and I was
trying to look up their number of but I don't
have it right here, and I apologize, Oh yeah, I
do three eight five five one zero zero zero one.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
If you're looking for something very hard to get or
you just got a question for him, they will take
your order over the phone and drop ship this AMO
right to you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So I'm actually gonna do I literally am actually going
to do that. As soon as on the next break,
I'm going to call them up over there and say,
hold me some seven FMJ because I was just talking
about how hard that is to get.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
So anyway, so anyway, yeah, that's our good friends at
flash Our Flash my breast. Now, Clark, you're in flash
our Brass, flash Our Brass. I love that one better.
You're down, You're down in Ivans. You're doing is what
I call a dog and pony show?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I did not bring my dog and I have no ponies.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But okay, but it's kind of a little little uh,
it's not road show. This is a little below road
show quality.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, he's going to be bringing this Jan is going
to be bringing the damn fruit.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The playwright.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Who's also very musically trained to plays a saxophone and
all that of stuff and and does this and it's
been doing it for for two three decades now. Anyway,
he's going to be bringing a show to goes all
over the country, but he's going to be bringing it
to the University of Utah here pretty soon, which will
be a very interesting dynamic. I think, not much different
than the than the liberals here in Ivans.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So tell lesser hearts, Yeah, tell us a little bit about.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
After the play, after the short plays discussing I'm going
to use.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
The term I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Holding up my hands in air quotes discussing gun violence
and uh a violence in America and so anyway, so
we watched the plays about an hour, around fifteen minutes
or so, and then we sit around this kitchen table,
three or four of us that have been you know,
been asked to participate as almost actors.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But it's it's definitely unscripted.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's unmoderated, generally speaking, unmoderated, and we have cards in
front of us to discuss with questions, to discuss questions
about the play, like why did so and so lose
his gun? Or what do you think about so and
so using his gun against so and so in.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The play, you know type of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, that lasted for about one card and then it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Went on to it. I tried to get the camet.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
We talked about background checks, secure storage, because we did
discuss suicide, eighteen to twenty year olds having firearms, assault
weapons again finger quotes, air quotes, the miss we discussed,
and I pointed out the mischaracterization of the nineteen ninety
five assault weapon ban because one gentleman, very well meaning,
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said that we did ban guns, We did ban those,
and I said, well, not really, we really didn't. During
the ninety five assault weapons ban, we really didn't ban them.
We banned scary features of them. And he had thought
that you couldn't buy them at all anyway, and that
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is obviously since sunset. But all I did is banned
the flash hiders, the bay of netlogs, oh my gosh,
the band falling stocks.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And so then they went back and he says, well,
how can you hunt deer with an AR fifteen?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I says, I know, no, kidding, it's not powerful enough.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And because they had thought, they literally thought you'd just
blow the deer away and you know, so on and
so forth, and I was going to show them a
picture of me hunting, and I said, Casey Jane was.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
In the audience watching this whole thing, and.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I said, you know, I actually hunted with an AR
ten this last year, and I said, that's five ars lower.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That bit was lost on them. They didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They didn't they didn't get that at all. And then
there was the misunderstanding that ars are the most common
mass shooting weapon. Well, folks, if you've if you've been
listening to the media, that's probably what you think. But
if you're going to call school shootings and yeah, they
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might be, they might in fact be, or at least
a big portion of them are. But if were you
using even the left let alone or the fbis let alone,
the LEFTS metric for mass shootings in which three or
four more three or four people have been shot, not
necessarily killed in a single event, it's handguns. It's by
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it's far in a way, it's handguns. So anyway, and
then I tried to point out because this really wasn't
supposed to be a debate though bill wasn't supposed to
be confrontational, supposed to be a dialogue.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So I had to tone it down.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I had to keep down shifting and downshifting and and
and no, I did not use phoneuns.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
So when you during this conversation, I mean, you're you're
you're supposed to bring up dialogue. I guess that's what
you're The The purpose of it was is have this pece.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You have to ask you first, you have to ask
the question.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
If you're going to talk to another person, you have
to ask them or repeat what they just said to
make sure that you understood what they said correctly.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I get I get that, but that's just not
the way I normally go on about.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
So if if it was brought up again with ars
and hunting, would you bring up the challenge that you
had this last year hunting with your ar ten and
how convenient and lightweight that gun was for you during
the yew.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It really wasn't that lightweight. It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
I think if you were to change, you would change platforms.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, really cool, I'm gonna switch. I'm gonna switch.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
So okay, So I got another question for you.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Especially with the hundred round drum on that thing from anyway,
Go ahead, and there you go, oh, as you I
think I know what you're going to say.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Okay, as you're having these conversations, this dialogue, are you
slipping in information of moments of truth regarding the scenario
of the play and maybe what people are thinking, you know,
kind of this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So I got a minute and a half to cover that, Okay,
and we you know what, you know what, I'm gonna
hold off for a third segment on that one because
it deserves it deserves you know what I'm going And
I think it deserves more time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So we'll come back. We'll come back to that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So anyway, let me just really quickly, let me let
me there is no good segue for this, so I'm
just gonna real quickly. Donald Trump told his administrative agencies,
especially DJ, he wants a review of all the existing
gun policies. He doesn't care if it was Biden, if
it was bushit it was Obama, whoever. He wants a
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review of all those things. So there was a twenty
twenty two case at a Louisiana where a gun dealer
was suspected of some some mouthfeas and some something, and
ATF came in and raided his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
House and the only thing out of.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Three hundred guns or whatever they found one eye and
I'm locked away and is safe, which was a what
the suppressures you make on your own, the solvent trap
type thing. And it wasn't registered. It wasn't you know,
registered with the NFA. And so they got him on
that one. They said, okay, you're you're going to prison
forever whatever. So he it went to the lower court.
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He led not guilty because he said, you don't have
the right. This is this is a Second Amendment thing.
You don't have to register. It's part of the Second Amendment.
I don't have to And so lower court ruled against him.
So it they appealed to the I don't know if
it's eleventh Circuit. I can't remember what circuit it was,
but it was in It was the circuit covers Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Is that fifth anyway? Maybe it's fifth.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And they and they actually have ruled that a suppressor
is not an arm covered by the Second Amendment. Now
I want to say it. They still consider them firearms.
The ATF still considers just a gun all by it
or the suppressor all by itself, a firearm. But they're
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saying we don't consider them arms comma that are protected
by the Second Amendment, so they still may be consider
them arms anyway. It's an interesting back and forth because
you can't have it both ways. You're going to call
it a firearm, which they do even though it doesn't
choot anything, or you're not going to sew. The interesting
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thing was that there was a holdover from the Biden
administration that for the DOJ that wrote a brief to
that court saying we support this, don't overrule you know
this guy's guilty. Well a g Pam BONDI came in
with their WITHDJ just this last Wednesday and said, whoaoa
whoa hold up, we suggest you hold this for at
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least thirty days because we are now reviewing the whole
suppressor is not covered by the Second Amendment thing, and
so on and so forth. So this is an interesting thing,
and I think they're just kind of playing catch up.
But I am I'm heartened that there is some good
movement and attention being paid to these things.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So when we.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Come back, I want to go over a little bit
more about this thing called arms around America that time
participating in down here in Ivans, and we'll be right back,
So stay tuned. So where we left you off, we
were talking about this thing, arms around America.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But Bill, you wanted to go back.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You want to talk about something else real quick before
I go back into well, arms around America.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, it was kind of part of Arms around America.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Well, I definitely want you to really well, I definitely
want you to talk about BONDI and the Trump DOJ
issue as well. But I have a question because of
your narratives, it's supposed to create dialogue. Yeah, how do
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you create.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
In a nice format, non confrontational, which is not what
I'm used to?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So are you throwing facts and numbers in statistics and COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Not so much.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
When I throw the facts out, I'm doing it because
there's so much mischaracterization of you know, like there's one
one person that says, you know, in the in the
in the play, oh, I transported this revolver across state
lines and that's a federal violation, federal law violation.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I said, well, no it, no, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And they talked about guns being registered in all the states, No,
they really aren't, and so on and so forth. So
I did throw out some facts there. I did so
out throw out some numbers. As far as you know,
sixty eight percent of the counties in the United States
had one murder or.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
No murders at all in twenty twenty three. So yeah,
in some facts like that, I did.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Because I think it's easy to do to sit in
a you know, a conversation like that and if everyone's
spewing lies or misinformation, Yeah, it's like you're just patting
yourselves on the back. Oh yeah, well, well you can't
carry a gun across state line. It's like, oh yeah,
holy crap, Well I did.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And so yeah, when that came up, I had to
correct all those things. And so like the with the
assault weapons ban of ninety five that you couldn't buy
them at all, well that's not necessarily true. You couldn't
buy them in that fashion, but the gun itself was
still very, very readily available.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Tell me the gun show loophole came up? The gun show,
Oh it did. Oh, the gun show loophole. Yeah, oh,
the gun show loophole.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And so basically what I did there is I said,
please explain your understanding of the gun show loophole. Well,
it's a gun show, and it's it's basically a free
for all, and so I yes, I did throw some
facts out on that one.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
There was now I want to point.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Out, so Dan Fruit very accomplished, very very good play
right and a self described liberal, especially with regards to
his views on guns. And there was a one of
the six plays that there was a person who was
I think described as liberal that recounted their very first
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time shooting a firearm, shooting an ar a handgun and
a shotgun at a target out in Montana. And I
found it extremely interesting the response.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And they got very animated.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
They got very loud, you know, because they do all
the sound effects and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They got very animated in this.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They got very loud, They got very descriptive in their
feeling that this shooter felt the first time that he
fired a gun, and his and the repetition of these
emotions just getting and the emotions getting higher and higher
and peaking to the point where they were saying, I
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am the gun, the gun is me, and so on
and so forth, as they kept firing and firing and
it and Bill, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Know the first you can you remember the first time
you fired a gun?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean did you did you jump up
and down? Did you do handstands? Did you did you
think that did you? Anthrophom warphiz you and the gun?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Well, I had, that's for sure. I thought that was
around the world. But I mean there's about a year
and a half ago. Okay, we covered this article by
Sarah Thompson, m D. She's a oh, doctor Sarah Thompson.
Doctor Sarah Thompson. It's called Raging against Self Defense. A
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psychiatrist examines the anti gun mentality, and she talks about
where individual anti gunners claim or they fear for the
using a gun because they think that others will start
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shooting things up, Like I'm reading some of the things here.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So so what you're saying is they have a legitimate
fear of their own reaction with a gun. They have
a fear of of say, getting really angry, getting you know,
uncontrolled emotions, something happen and they had a gun.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
They have that.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Neighbor the games, Well they'll have be a shootout because
they'll have Yeah, they have this this fear themselves that
they might commit this themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, well that's not a problem because I think that's
a self evaluation and so they don't have a gun
maybe for that reason, And and I think that's a
healthy response.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
What what is your what's your problem?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Well, they think that everyone else will be the same
way as what they will be. That's that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
They think everyone else has the same deficient if you
want to call it a deficiency or a lack of control,
that type of thing. So I got to tell you
I was very impressed. I was impressed with the show
Take a look at Arms around America. But I sometimes
wonder if Dan or if rather if I should say
(27:20):
the person that it was being portrayed as shooting the
gun for the first time, if they think that everybody
feels the same unbridled emotion, or do we just shoot
the gun and smile that it worked well.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So anyway, Hey, you know what I got to tell
you about. In fact, I gotta find it here? Where
is it?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Because believe it or not, I don't memorize all the scripts,
but speaking about guns as I could throw this in
anywhere because we're always speaking about guns. The gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of your gun if it's broken,
if it's if it's malfunctioning, if there's something wrong with
(28:00):
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Speaker 3 (28:45):
When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
About hopefully we'll talk about Alabama and Hawaii and maybe
California when we come back. I almost got somebody at
the table to admit to what it actually he is
when we start talking about homicide rates in the United States.
All right, So I promised to tell you about what
did I promise to tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
About we're going to talk about Canada, and you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Want to talk about Canada. I thought it was something else.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, ye, we're going to talk about with Alabama.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Alabama.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
All right, So Alabama lawmakers and the media is all
over the place in national media. The lawmakers in Alabama
approve a ban on devices that convert semi automatic weapons
into machine guns. Okay, so Alabama has been working on
I guess that, you know, got it through their legislative
session and the governor is all surprised, excited to sign
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this and crime will drop like a rock apparently, folks.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I got to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I got a I got a text message from from Billy,
Billy Planner out in Georgia and who's a liberal, and
he said, uh, hey, what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Alabama?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, your buddies, your Republican state in Alabama just
bang block switches. And I said, Billy, they're already illegal federally,
and I dare any cop to turn the other way
because it's just a federal law and not a state law.
And I said, and then the other point is this,
these folks that are putting these glock switches that yeah,
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that literally hold the cruciform down in a glock and
cause it to fire fully automatic. Are they legally in
possession of any gun, let alone one that has a
glock switch on it? Folks there, if we find out
that cops are letting people go because they had there's
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no state law for it, oh my gosh, that would
be the stupidest thing ever. So anyway, I'm not saying
that they didn't say stuff like that, but you know, hey,
maybe let's see Canada. I do want to talk a
little bit about Canada because they are going to be
officially our fifty first state here coming right up. I
(31:00):
can't remember if it's in the summer in the fall,
but anyway, so, uh, there was a story out of
out of Canada that they just added so already back
in I don't know, it's been three or four years ago,
they basically banned handguns from coming into the country, the
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sale or transferred importation of any handgun into the country,
and then they had a whole bunch don't know, twenty
five hundred different rifles types of rifles in that and
generally types of firearms do that they deemed weapons of war.
They just added to that list, and included in that
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list is an M one carving. It's a semi automatic
like as in pew pew pew, and it's it fires
the thirty carving round. But they said that was a
weapon of war because it was officially used more a
long time ago. Yeah, I mean I have one. I
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think they're a fun little gun. But as far as anyway,
all right, so bless their hearts. But another problem I've
got is that Canada's Associate Minister of Public Safety said
that her name is Rachel Bendion, Okay, and she said,
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this is for public safety. We're taking these guns away.
You can't have them anymore because first you register them
and now we're saying you can't have them, so now
you've got to turn them in kind of like Australia
did a while ago.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Anyway, she's saying it's for public safety, folks.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I got to tell you my history, my history, my
family's history. The Armenians were subject to the same give
up your guns for public safety, and then see how
it went for the Armenians. There was the time, the
very first time the word genocide was ever used or
coined was when the Armenians got slaughtered by the Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Because they didn't have any guns.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'll tell you that, because they had been taken away
for public safety. And Rachel Bendiyan is Armenian and I
don't know if she's second or third generation, but how
ironic it is that that that she is, that she
is doing that?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
In fact, I had something I wanted to play. What
was that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
In?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
In her honor? Where is it? Do it?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Look? Cook?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Coup?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
He's in cool, Look cool, good day. Welcome to the
Green White North. Tim.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's a that's a little Bob and Doug mackenzie, I'm
not I sure hope that came out over yeah, And
so that's good. That's a you know what. I got
to put that on one of my buttons here, all right.
So we talked about Alabama. We did talk about We
talked about Canada. Hawaii. Hawaii has a very arduous way
(33:57):
to buy guns, to buy handguns.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
In addition to all the hoops you've got to go
through in the waiting periods, you also have to show
up to the police station with that gun. I think
it's five days, within five days to have them do
a safety inspection of your handgun too. Before you buy that,
it's obviously registered. So that was just upheld by the
Ninth Circuit Court. Another thing that was just upheld by
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the Ninth Circuit Court was the magazine, the over ten
rounds magazine restriction in California by the Ninth Circuit And
what else do we have they had? They have the
magazine restriction, they had the oh another one that was
that was not great, and all these things. Basically I'm
(34:44):
pointing out their circuit split. So one circuit court decides
one way, another circuit court decides another. That usually means
it's right for the Supreme Court to come in and say,
all right, you two, well we'll.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Handle it from here. They'll decide.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So Florida had a band that was challenged and upheld
in lower courts on sale since twenty eighteen of sales
of any type of firearm to eighteen to twenty year olds,
even private sales, and so to even to buy a handgun,
let alone rifle, you had to be twenty one. So
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they passed that in twenty eighteen, I think after Parkland
or whatever. All right, well, so that's going through in
the lower or the Circuit court just upheld that, which
I found very strange in light of Bruin and Heller.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
But there's a bill.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Making its way through the Florida legislature right now which
would bring it all back to say, yeah, eighteen to
twenty year olds, you can buy a rifle and you
can buy a handgun if it's a private if it's
a private transaction. So and no more restriction on ff
Ells selling a rifle to a and eighteen year old.
(36:03):
So anyway, so that was that was one of them.
We have that ninth. And oh, the Pichtel purchase permit Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
We talked about that one. What else am I missing? Bill?
Would you go to the outdoor show?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I did.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I spent a couple hours over there, ran into our
great friends from Utah Safe Outlet. They're in booth three
point fifty. You gotta go check Dave out. He's got
some great vault doors and some great safe from Fort Knox.
So yeah, drop by and say, hey, heard you on
Gun Radio Utah. They told me to come by and
you go check them out today till seven pm. International
(36:42):
Sportsman Expo will go tomorrow from ten am to four pm.
So you got something you want to do this afternoon.
Take your date out on a fun time. Go look
at some of the fun wildlife actens, kiss until all
that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Sign up. Sign up for a safari to Africa.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
There you go, there you go. Have a great time now,
Derec Clark, we'll talk to you soon. Everyone else, have
a great day.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I see you next day.
A show dedicated to preserving and protecting your constitutional right
to bear arms for your security and sport. Here's your host,
well known gun rights advocate and chairman of the Utah
Shooting Sports Council, Clark Oposion, and a super.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Big happy springtime. Welcome to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
I am your hose Clark opposition. Sitting across from me virtually,
if not literally, is Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting
Sports Council. And so I, by way of admission, perhaps
maybe I am broadcasting live from Ivan's, Utah and uh,
(00:43):
and we'll tell you what we're when I'm what I'm
doing down here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You're in studio.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm in studio. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
So for our audience that are not from the Utah area,
because we do have a very large audience. You shared
some numbers with me this past week about Utah is.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So well, I mean, anyway, so Ivans is what is it?
It's it's near Saint George. It's like twenty minutes from
Saint George down towards Snow Canyon area and that kind
of thing. So anyway, so I'll tell you what we're
doing down there in a bit. But We've got a
heck of a show for you today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh, We're well.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
One of the things is, I'm going to tell you
what I'm doing down here in the in beautiful southern Utah.
And uh, and what's going on. I'm going to tell
you about what happened in Alabama. I'm the news is
just falling all over themselves as to what the Alabama
governor just signed. And we'll tell you why. Hey, folks,
it's really a nothing burger. Anyway, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We've also got some stuff going on in the Ninth
Circuit and the Fifth Circuit. Big thing on suppressors, another
big thing on magazines in ninth Circuit, which is all
these lower courts. I don't know, they're they're having an
identity crisis. I think Bill is they don't They don't
know which way to go. Do we be liberal? Do
(02:05):
we do this?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Do we you know?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But good news is we'll talk about it. Pam Bondy
do do do do? Is coming to the rescue. The
new attorney general and under a directive from President Trump
to hey, let's take a good clear non Biden look
at firearm policies from the Department of Justice, so we've
(02:31):
got that.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
What else do I have on my list of stuff? Oh?
North Carolina, that's another one.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
North Carolina is well on its way to joining the club.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We'll we'll, we'll definitely we'll talk about that. But what
have you got?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, I stopped by earlier at the International Sportsman's Expo
in Sandy talk about that, and then also we'll give
you an update on well some things just be aware
of on the wildlife calendar if you're a big game
hunter here in Utah. So, uh yeah, but I'm I'm
really excited.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I was on. I went on. I went on
to the Why do I keep getting is it d
n R d w R?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Get I'll say d WR because it's wildlife.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, I would say the wild WR so as well.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, So so I went on there and it was
like early in the morning the other day when it
opened up. And then I had questions on the once
in a lifetime hunt and the limited hunt, and so
I called you and you said, oh, you.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Can hold off on that, so don't even go down.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So I'm holding off, So don't don't let me get
on a subject right now.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And I I yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, it's a very
touchy subject. I don't know how much hunting I'm going
to get in this year. I don't want to say that.
My wife put her foot down on it, but she
has me doing something else during the muzzleoader deer hunt
and the rifle l hunt, and it's not in this country.
(04:07):
So all right, yeah, alright, you mentioned this before.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Have you got anything else before I go into my stuff?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
No, we're good. Let's hear what you got?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You be done with your Well, this is our stuff.
This is actually our stuff, all right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So I happen to get a note from a listener
to gun Radio Utah to check out a website called
Listen Notoes dot com Listen nototes dot com and they
rate all of the talk shows, the radio, all the
radio shows, and they like feed spot only it gives
a much more detailed thing. Well, guess we're gun Radio
(04:46):
Utah falls amongst three over three and a half million podcasts.
You already know, so you're not allowed to stop. But
we're in the top five when the top five percent
bill so so we got that going for us. So
in fact, hold on, where's my where's my button? Oh,
(05:07):
Colonna's right there it is, and that's good. Well the
studio audience is they're excited about.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So let me tell you what what I've been doing
down here in Ivans. Ivans is like this. It's kind
of a cool little place. It's up against the Red
Rocks and at least the part that we went to
the Center for the Performing Arts something something I'm extremely
liberal with my you know, the boutiques and this kind
(05:45):
of stuff. I mean, seriously, so uh, I got in.
I was interviewed backstore. I was interviewed over the last
two years, two or three times by a playwright named
Dan Fruit. Dan's out of ucl He lives in Los Angeles,
and he's been at UCLA twenty twenty twenty five years
or so, and he he makes plays and he goes
(06:08):
around the country, interviewed in this most recent thing called
Arms around America, and and let's just just just get
it out there.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Dan's a liberal.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Dan's liberal, and however he seems fairly fairly open minded.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, when you say liberal arts clerk, I already gone
down that path.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You're you'd already you'd already, you've already you understood the
assignment already.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So so anyway, so he's he interviewed me, He asked
me to come up. I went up to the University
of Utah they were host king him or whatever, and
interviewed me about, you know, my views on guns and
what we do about guns and guns. Guns, guns, guns
are great, all right. So then he starts talking about
this project he has in which it's a play, or
(06:58):
rather a series of six short plays that last just
over an hour, and they're done with only like three
or four actors in them, and the actors typically just
sit behind a microphone and do a kind of like
the old school radio shows where they would do all
(07:19):
the sound effects.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, they'd bring shoes in and clump them on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The on the wood and and you know, crinkling paper
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So, and that's kind of how the plays are set up,
kind of in that style of a old style radio platform,
where you know, each actor does two or three voices.
So what he's done is he's collected a whole bunch
of stories about guns and let me just throw it
in there, about how terrible they are or about how
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people lose them and how people get shot with them,
and so on and so forth. And these are actual stories, though,
and he makes it point to bring up the actual
person and pictures whenever possible, of the person that was affected.
And I will tell you this, they're very thought provoking.
The way they're produced, they're very thought provoking. So anyway,
(08:09):
we watch these shows, and so I got invited by
Dan to come two or three of his performances here
over this weekend, watch these and then sit at what
he calls a kitchen table with three or four other people.
Story spoiler, I'm the only gun person there. Not only
(08:32):
am I the only gun person there, I'm the only
person that is even barely right of center.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So anyway, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And so we sit around this kitchen table afterwards, and
the kitchen table is now the stage, if you will,
and the audience can just watch us discuss what we
just watched on the plays. So anyways, we did that
for the first time last night. We did a It
was a seven thirty performance. And when we come back,
(09:05):
I think we'll go.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Into what and oh.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They also allow audience members, if they feel so inclined,
to sit down at the table and engage in dialogue.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So I got a lot of questions for you on
this Clark you do oh I.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Got Well, wait till I tell you. I will tell you.
It was worthwhile. It was in.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It was engaging, and I had to kind of put
it in low gear because this was not supposed to
be a debate. It wasn't supposed to be a confrontational
It was supposed to be a sitting around a kitchen
table discussing in that and for the most part.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think it worked.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
When we come back, there's lots more to follow on
Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
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But go sign up on our email alerts and we'll
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And you can always go to the website. If you
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(10:07):
you can always reach us out there at Utahnsports Council
dot org. Just click on the link, send us an email,
and we'll be glad to answer any questions you've got. Hey,
there is this is a funny day. I mean it's
three twenty two. But if you're a little dyslexic, like
our European counterparts, this might be two two three day.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But you can go check two.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Two three day. In Europe it's two two three Yes,
two two three day.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But if you head over to Flash my Brass.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That was my segue, Clark.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
If you go over to Flash my Brass, they will
be so happy to give you a box of twenty
two long rifle, fifty round box. And it's not the
cheap stuff. It's CCI while supplies last CCI. But they've
got some great deals on nine millimeter federal full metal jacket.
You need two hundred rounds with can fifty five bucks,
(11:00):
one thousand rounds for two thirty nine The hell you say?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I know? Five seven by twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
We're talking about this full metal jacket, four hundred and
fifty round case.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, hold hold on, backup, back up, FMJ five seven.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yep, really, yep. Guess how much that's interesting?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Two hundred bucks one thousand, two hundred dollars two hundred
bucks more.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's FMJ five to seven. Yeah, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, So yeah, you give them a check out over there,
or you always give them a call, and I was
trying to look up their number of but I don't
have it right here, and I apologize, Oh yeah, I
do three eight five five one zero zero zero one.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
If you're looking for something very hard to get or
you just got a question for him, they will take
your order over the phone and drop ship this AMO
right to you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So I'm actually gonna do I literally am actually going
to do that. As soon as on the next break,
I'm going to call them up over there and say,
hold me some seven FMJ because I was just talking
about how hard that is to get.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
So anyway, so anyway, yeah, that's our good friends at
flash Our Flash my breast. Now, Clark, you're in flash
our Brass, flash Our Brass. I love that one better.
You're down, You're down in Ivans. You're doing is what
I call a dog and pony show?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I did not bring my dog and I have no ponies.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But okay, but it's kind of a little little uh,
it's not road show. This is a little below road
show quality.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, he's going to be bringing this Jan is going
to be bringing the damn fruit.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The playwright.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Who's also very musically trained to plays a saxophone and
all that of stuff and and does this and it's
been doing it for for two three decades now. Anyway,
he's going to be bringing a show to goes all
over the country, but he's going to be bringing it
to the University of Utah here pretty soon, which will
be a very interesting dynamic. I think, not much different
than the than the liberals here in Ivans.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So tell lesser hearts, Yeah, tell us a little bit about.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
After the play, after the short plays discussing I'm going
to use.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
The term I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Holding up my hands in air quotes discussing gun violence
and uh a violence in America and so anyway, so
we watched the plays about an hour, around fifteen minutes
or so, and then we sit around this kitchen table,
three or four of us that have been you know,
been asked to participate as almost actors.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But it's it's definitely unscripted.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's unmoderated, generally speaking, unmoderated, and we have cards in
front of us to discuss with questions, to discuss questions
about the play, like why did so and so lose
his gun? Or what do you think about so and
so using his gun against so and so in.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The play, you know type of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, that lasted for about one card and then it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Went on to it. I tried to get the camet.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
We talked about background checks, secure storage, because we did
discuss suicide, eighteen to twenty year olds having firearms, assault
weapons again finger quotes, air quotes, the miss we discussed,
and I pointed out the mischaracterization of the nineteen ninety
five assault weapon ban because one gentleman, very well meaning,
(14:29):
said that we did ban guns, We did ban those,
and I said, well, not really, we really didn't. During
the ninety five assault weapons ban, we really didn't ban them.
We banned scary features of them. And he had thought
that you couldn't buy them at all anyway, and that
(14:50):
is obviously since sunset. But all I did is banned
the flash hiders, the bay of netlogs, oh my gosh,
the band falling stocks.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And so then they went back and he says, well,
how can you hunt deer with an AR fifteen?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I says, I know, no, kidding, it's not powerful enough.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And because they had thought, they literally thought you'd just
blow the deer away and you know, so on and
so forth, and I was going to show them a
picture of me hunting, and I said, Casey Jane was.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
In the audience watching this whole thing, and.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I said, you know, I actually hunted with an AR
ten this last year, and I said, that's five ars lower.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That bit was lost on them. They didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They didn't they didn't get that at all. And then
there was the misunderstanding that ars are the most common
mass shooting weapon. Well, folks, if you've if you've been
listening to the media, that's probably what you think. But
if you're going to call school shootings and yeah, they
(15:54):
might be, they might in fact be, or at least
a big portion of them are. But if were you
using even the left let alone or the fbis let alone,
the LEFTS metric for mass shootings in which three or
four more three or four people have been shot, not
necessarily killed in a single event, it's handguns. It's by
(16:18):
it's far in a way, it's handguns. So anyway, and
then I tried to point out because this really wasn't
supposed to be a debate though bill wasn't supposed to
be confrontational, supposed to be a dialogue.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So I had to tone it down.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I had to keep down shifting and downshifting and and
and no, I did not use phoneuns.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
So when you during this conversation, I mean, you're you're
you're supposed to bring up dialogue. I guess that's what
you're The The purpose of it was is have this pece.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You have to ask you first, you have to ask
the question.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
If you're going to talk to another person, you have
to ask them or repeat what they just said to
make sure that you understood what they said correctly.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I get I get that, but that's just not
the way I normally go on about.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
So if if it was brought up again with ars
and hunting, would you bring up the challenge that you
had this last year hunting with your ar ten and
how convenient and lightweight that gun was for you during
the yew.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It really wasn't that lightweight. It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
I think if you were to change, you would change platforms.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, really cool, I'm gonna switch. I'm gonna switch.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
So okay, So I got another question for you.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Especially with the hundred round drum on that thing from anyway,
Go ahead, and there you go, oh, as you I
think I know what you're going to say.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Okay, as you're having these conversations, this dialogue, are you
slipping in information of moments of truth regarding the scenario
of the play and maybe what people are thinking, you know,
kind of this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So I got a minute and a half to cover that, Okay,
and we you know what, you know what, I'm gonna
hold off for a third segment on that one because
it deserves it deserves you know what I'm going And
I think it deserves more time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So we'll come back. We'll come back to that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So anyway, let me just really quickly, let me let
me there is no good segue for this, so I'm
just gonna real quickly. Donald Trump told his administrative agencies,
especially DJ, he wants a review of all the existing
gun policies. He doesn't care if it was Biden, if
it was bushit it was Obama, whoever. He wants a
(18:41):
review of all those things. So there was a twenty
twenty two case at a Louisiana where a gun dealer
was suspected of some some mouthfeas and some something, and
ATF came in and raided his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
House and the only thing out of.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Three hundred guns or whatever they found one eye and
I'm locked away and is safe, which was a what
the suppressures you make on your own, the solvent trap
type thing. And it wasn't registered. It wasn't you know,
registered with the NFA. And so they got him on
that one. They said, okay, you're you're going to prison
forever whatever. So he it went to the lower court.
(19:20):
He led not guilty because he said, you don't have
the right. This is this is a Second Amendment thing.
You don't have to register. It's part of the Second Amendment.
I don't have to And so lower court ruled against him.
So it they appealed to the I don't know if
it's eleventh Circuit. I can't remember what circuit it was,
but it was in It was the circuit covers Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Is that fifth anyway? Maybe it's fifth.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And they and they actually have ruled that a suppressor
is not an arm covered by the Second Amendment. Now
I want to say it. They still consider them firearms.
The ATF still considers just a gun all by it
or the suppressor all by itself, a firearm. But they're
(20:07):
saying we don't consider them arms comma that are protected
by the Second Amendment, so they still may be consider
them arms anyway. It's an interesting back and forth because
you can't have it both ways. You're going to call
it a firearm, which they do even though it doesn't
choot anything, or you're not going to sew. The interesting
(20:28):
thing was that there was a holdover from the Biden
administration that for the DOJ that wrote a brief to
that court saying we support this, don't overrule you know
this guy's guilty. Well a g Pam BONDI came in
with their WITHDJ just this last Wednesday and said, whoaoa
whoa hold up, we suggest you hold this for at
(20:51):
least thirty days because we are now reviewing the whole
suppressor is not covered by the Second Amendment thing, and
so on and so forth. So this is an interesting thing,
and I think they're just kind of playing catch up.
But I am I'm heartened that there is some good
movement and attention being paid to these things.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So when we.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Come back, I want to go over a little bit
more about this thing called arms around America that time
participating in down here in Ivans, and we'll be right back,
So stay tuned. So where we left you off, we
were talking about this thing, arms around America.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But Bill, you wanted to go back.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You want to talk about something else real quick before
I go back into well, arms around America.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, it was kind of part of Arms around America.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Well, I definitely want you to really well, I definitely
want you to talk about BONDI and the Trump DOJ
issue as well. But I have a question because of
your narratives, it's supposed to create dialogue. Yeah, how do
(21:54):
you create.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
In a nice format, non confrontational, which is not what
I'm used to?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So are you throwing facts and numbers in statistics and COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Not so much.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
When I throw the facts out, I'm doing it because
there's so much mischaracterization of you know, like there's one
one person that says, you know, in the in the
in the play, oh, I transported this revolver across state
lines and that's a federal violation, federal law violation.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I said, well, no it, no, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And they talked about guns being registered in all the states, No,
they really aren't, and so on and so forth. So
I did throw out some facts there. I did so
out throw out some numbers. As far as you know,
sixty eight percent of the counties in the United States
had one murder or.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
No murders at all in twenty twenty three. So yeah,
in some facts like that, I did.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Because I think it's easy to do to sit in
a you know, a conversation like that and if everyone's
spewing lies or misinformation, Yeah, it's like you're just patting
yourselves on the back. Oh yeah, well, well you can't
carry a gun across state line. It's like, oh yeah,
holy crap, Well I did.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And so yeah, when that came up, I had to
correct all those things. And so like the with the
assault weapons ban of ninety five that you couldn't buy
them at all, well that's not necessarily true. You couldn't
buy them in that fashion, but the gun itself was
still very, very readily available.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Tell me the gun show loophole came up? The gun show,
Oh it did. Oh, the gun show loophole. Yeah, oh,
the gun show loophole.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And so basically what I did there is I said,
please explain your understanding of the gun show loophole. Well,
it's a gun show, and it's it's basically a free
for all, and so I yes, I did throw some
facts out on that one.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
There was now I want to point.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Out, so Dan Fruit very accomplished, very very good play
right and a self described liberal, especially with regards to
his views on guns. And there was a one of
the six plays that there was a person who was
I think described as liberal that recounted their very first
(24:13):
time shooting a firearm, shooting an ar a handgun and
a shotgun at a target out in Montana. And I
found it extremely interesting the response.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And they got very animated.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
They got very loud, you know, because they do all
the sound effects and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They got very animated in this.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They got very loud, They got very descriptive in their
feeling that this shooter felt the first time that he
fired a gun, and his and the repetition of these
emotions just getting and the emotions getting higher and higher
and peaking to the point where they were saying, I
(24:58):
am the gun, the gun is me, and so on
and so forth, as they kept firing and firing and
it and Bill, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Know the first you can you remember the first time
you fired a gun?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean did you did you jump up
and down? Did you do handstands? Did you did you
think that did you? Anthrophom warphiz you and the gun?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Well, I had, that's for sure. I thought that was
around the world. But I mean there's about a year
and a half ago. Okay, we covered this article by
Sarah Thompson, m D. She's a oh, doctor Sarah Thompson.
Doctor Sarah Thompson. It's called Raging against Self Defense. A
(25:45):
psychiatrist examines the anti gun mentality, and she talks about
where individual anti gunners claim or they fear for the
using a gun because they think that others will start
(26:06):
shooting things up, Like I'm reading some of the things here.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So so what you're saying is they have a legitimate
fear of their own reaction with a gun. They have
a fear of of say, getting really angry, getting you know,
uncontrolled emotions, something happen and they had a gun.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
They have that.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Neighbor the games, Well they'll have be a shootout because
they'll have Yeah, they have this this fear themselves that
they might commit this themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, well that's not a problem because I think that's
a self evaluation and so they don't have a gun
maybe for that reason, And and I think that's a
healthy response.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
What what is your what's your problem?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Well, they think that everyone else will be the same
way as what they will be. That's that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
They think everyone else has the same deficient if you
want to call it a deficiency or a lack of control,
that type of thing. So I got to tell you
I was very impressed. I was impressed with the show
Take a look at Arms around America. But I sometimes
wonder if Dan or if rather if I should say
(27:20):
the person that it was being portrayed as shooting the
gun for the first time, if they think that everybody
feels the same unbridled emotion, or do we just shoot
the gun and smile that it worked well.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So anyway, Hey, you know what I got to tell
you about. In fact, I gotta find it here? Where
is it?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Because believe it or not, I don't memorize all the scripts,
but speaking about guns as I could throw this in
anywhere because we're always speaking about guns. The gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of your gun if it's broken,
if it's if it's malfunctioning, if there's something wrong with
(28:00):
the gun that you just can't put your finger on,
or maybe you just want it sarah coated or engraved
or reblued, or the stock fixed, or whatever needs to
happen to your gun, be it a revolver, be it
a pistol, be it a rifle, a shotgun, or something else,
you know in between a muzzleloader, and get it over
to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. Now you can take
(28:23):
it right down to them sixteen thirty south of fifty
seventy west in Salt Lake City, and or you can
actually take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations and tell them to
get it to the gunsmith or or or give them
a call at eight to one three zero four eighty
(28:43):
seventy eight one three zero four eighty seventy.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
About hopefully we'll talk about Alabama and Hawaii and maybe
California when we come back. I almost got somebody at
the table to admit to what it actually he is
when we start talking about homicide rates in the United States.
All right, So I promised to tell you about what
did I promise to tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
About we're going to talk about Canada, and you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Want to talk about Canada. I thought it was something else.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, ye, we're going to talk about with Alabama.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Alabama.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
All right, So Alabama lawmakers and the media is all
over the place in national media. The lawmakers in Alabama
approve a ban on devices that convert semi automatic weapons
into machine guns. Okay, so Alabama has been working on
I guess that, you know, got it through their legislative
session and the governor is all surprised, excited to sign
(29:39):
this and crime will drop like a rock apparently, folks.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I got to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I got a I got a text message from from Billy,
Billy Planner out in Georgia and who's a liberal, and
he said, uh, hey, what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Alabama?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, your buddies, your Republican state in Alabama just
bang block switches. And I said, Billy, they're already illegal federally,
and I dare any cop to turn the other way
because it's just a federal law and not a state law.
And I said, and then the other point is this,
these folks that are putting these glock switches that yeah,
(30:19):
that literally hold the cruciform down in a glock and
cause it to fire fully automatic. Are they legally in
possession of any gun, let alone one that has a
glock switch on it? Folks there, if we find out
that cops are letting people go because they had there's
(30:40):
no state law for it, oh my gosh, that would
be the stupidest thing ever. So anyway, I'm not saying
that they didn't say stuff like that, but you know, hey,
maybe let's see Canada. I do want to talk a
little bit about Canada because they are going to be
officially our fifty first state here coming right up. I
(31:00):
can't remember if it's in the summer in the fall,
but anyway, so, uh, there was a story out of
out of Canada that they just added so already back
in I don't know, it's been three or four years ago,
they basically banned handguns from coming into the country, the
(31:21):
sale or transferred importation of any handgun into the country,
and then they had a whole bunch don't know, twenty
five hundred different rifles types of rifles in that and
generally types of firearms do that they deemed weapons of war.
They just added to that list, and included in that
(31:44):
list is an M one carving. It's a semi automatic
like as in pew pew pew, and it's it fires
the thirty carving round. But they said that was a
weapon of war because it was officially used more a
long time ago. Yeah, I mean I have one. I
(32:04):
think they're a fun little gun. But as far as anyway,
all right, so bless their hearts. But another problem I've
got is that Canada's Associate Minister of Public Safety said
that her name is Rachel Bendion, Okay, and she said,
(32:26):
this is for public safety. We're taking these guns away.
You can't have them anymore because first you register them
and now we're saying you can't have them, so now
you've got to turn them in kind of like Australia
did a while ago.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Anyway, she's saying it's for public safety, folks.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I got to tell you my history, my history, my
family's history. The Armenians were subject to the same give
up your guns for public safety, and then see how
it went for the Armenians. There was the time, the
very first time the word genocide was ever used or
coined was when the Armenians got slaughtered by the Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Because they didn't have any guns.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'll tell you that, because they had been taken away
for public safety. And Rachel Bendiyan is Armenian and I
don't know if she's second or third generation, but how
ironic it is that that that she is, that she
is doing that?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
In fact, I had something I wanted to play. What
was that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
In?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
In her honor? Where is it? Do it?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Look? Cook?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Coup?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
He's in cool, Look cool, good day. Welcome to the
Green White North. Tim.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's a that's a little Bob and Doug mackenzie, I'm
not I sure hope that came out over yeah, And
so that's good. That's a you know what. I got
to put that on one of my buttons here, all right.
So we talked about Alabama. We did talk about We
talked about Canada. Hawaii. Hawaii has a very arduous way
(33:57):
to buy guns, to buy handguns.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
In addition to all the hoops you've got to go
through in the waiting periods, you also have to show
up to the police station with that gun. I think
it's five days, within five days to have them do
a safety inspection of your handgun too. Before you buy that,
it's obviously registered. So that was just upheld by the
Ninth Circuit Court. Another thing that was just upheld by
(34:23):
the Ninth Circuit Court was the magazine, the over ten
rounds magazine restriction in California by the Ninth Circuit And
what else do we have they had? They have the
magazine restriction, they had the oh another one that was
that was not great, and all these things. Basically I'm
(34:44):
pointing out their circuit split. So one circuit court decides
one way, another circuit court decides another. That usually means
it's right for the Supreme Court to come in and say,
all right, you two, well we'll.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Handle it from here. They'll decide.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So Florida had a band that was challenged and upheld
in lower courts on sale since twenty eighteen of sales
of any type of firearm to eighteen to twenty year olds,
even private sales, and so to even to buy a handgun,
let alone rifle, you had to be twenty one. So
(35:25):
they passed that in twenty eighteen, I think after Parkland
or whatever. All right, well, so that's going through in
the lower or the Circuit court just upheld that, which
I found very strange in light of Bruin and Heller.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
But there's a bill.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Making its way through the Florida legislature right now which
would bring it all back to say, yeah, eighteen to
twenty year olds, you can buy a rifle and you
can buy a handgun if it's a private if it's
a private transaction. So and no more restriction on ff
Ells selling a rifle to a and eighteen year old.
(36:03):
So anyway, so that was that was one of them.
We have that ninth. And oh, the Pichtel purchase permit Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
We talked about that one. What else am I missing? Bill?
Would you go to the outdoor show?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I did.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I spent a couple hours over there, ran into our
great friends from Utah Safe Outlet. They're in booth three
point fifty. You gotta go check Dave out. He's got
some great vault doors and some great safe from Fort Knox.
So yeah, drop by and say, hey, heard you on
Gun Radio Utah. They told me to come by and
you go check them out today till seven pm. International
(36:42):
Sportsman Expo will go tomorrow from ten am to four pm.
So you got something you want to do this afternoon.
Take your date out on a fun time. Go look
at some of the fun wildlife actens, kiss until all
that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Sign up. Sign up for a safari to Africa.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
There you go, there you go. Have a great time now,
Derec Clark, we'll talk to you soon. Everyone else, have
a great day.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I see you next day.
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