Gun Radio Utah: Davis County Shooting Range; No Kings Shooting

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boys Council. But it doesn't matter because he's not here today.
I think it's something to do with girls Camp and
I was gonna ask him about girls camp and anyway, so,
uh so he's gone. We have a packed show for
you today. We're gonna be discussing some things with b C.
I a couple of things with BCI and their website,
and we're gonna discuss. Oh, we're gonna have a guest

(00:20):
on Paul Hubenthal with the Davis County Shooting Range, and
in fact, we're gonna be broadcasting live from there next
week on the twenty eighth. We're gonna discuss. Yeah, we're
gonna go to back to the No King's Rally parade
and the shooting that occurred there and uh and get

(00:40):
some insights, you know, talk about that a little bit.
I'm gonna talk about Brad thor every July coming up.
So next next Saturday will be no next next Saturday
will be twenty eighth. Yeah, so the next next anyway,
so we're gonna have Brad Thor on Actually while we're
live at the range, we're gonna have Brad thor on

(01:02):
the gun rights policy conferences coming up. We're going to
be talking about that. We do need volunteers. That's always important. Okay,
So anyways, hey, let's go to and maybe a few
other little things thrown in there, the Suppressor Act or
the Shush Act and the Short Act and all those
acts that are in the Big Beautiful Bill. We're hoping

(01:22):
to get into the Big Beautiful Bill. I think they
are to one degree or another. Now, anyway, let's talk
about the No Kings. The No Kings rallied the No
Kings shooting the No King's parade, and yesterday they let
the non shooter, who it sounded like had been charged

(01:43):
with murder even though he didn't shoot anybody or fire
his gun. They let him out of jail, out of
county or city jail yesterday, and he'd been in there
for a few well, he'd been in there since last Saturday,
the No Kings rally say. Anyway, he'd been in there
since the parade. And if you remember Arturo, he was

(02:05):
the guy that had and he was one of the
people in a lahaw many others had an AR fifteen
on the parade route and he went around the and
I guess he had it in his backpack and then
he decided he's going to real sneaky, like take it
out of his backpack to maybe he saw something I
don't know, and I want to put words in his mouth.
Maybe he saw some threats or saw you know, didn't

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like in his backpack. He took it out. He went
around the corner, took it out of his backpack, and
then came back out from around the corner, and there
were two peacekeepers. Now, peacekeeper is a made up term,
like like ramaalama ding dong or give piece a chance.
It doesn't really mean anything unless you're an organizer of
the five oh one five zero. I think I got

(02:48):
there campaign. They were They were armed citizens, is what
they were. And I don't know if they were paid,
they were contracted, if they were just playing flat out volunteers.
I have a gun and a yellow vest and I'm
gonna walk around anyway. They saw Arturo with the firearm

(03:09):
moments moments after he exited from behind cover or whatever,
and they shot him, or I should They did shoot him,
but they also shot at him. One of them fired
three rounds and it stopped. Generally speaking, Arturo, although I

(03:30):
don't know, maybe he was tackled right after that. But
he was hit with a grazing round enough that he
went to the hospital and then they let him go
back into police cuss he or whatever. But one of
those three shots fired by the peacekeeper armed citizen hit
and killed another absolutely uninvolved paradegoer, and that that is

(03:57):
absolutely tragic, no matter what. But he wasn't charge the
peacekeeper wasn't charged, and they took his information. So I
wonder if things are turning around now because video has
come out. And so I was on some of the
local news and they actually asked me to come in
and stand in front of the big TV screen and

(04:21):
go moment by moment of the shooting. And I said, well,
when they actually had their guns drawn, the peacekeepers and
were pointing in at arturo ar guy, he didn't. He
had his weapon pointed down. Then they shot. Then the

(04:41):
rifle came up not and I never saw it come
up anywhere beyond say a thirty three degree angle or something,
just enough so that he could run with it. And
that's what it appeared to me. Now, obviously I wasn't there.
I'm just looking at a video and they said, well,
you know, is this I said, he was a guy

(05:02):
with an ar I said, much like a leftist Kyle Rittenhouse,
so to speak. Maybe, and I don't see that he
was engaging the crowd. I don't see that he was
engaging certainly not the peacekeepers. I don't see that he
was really doing anything other than and we may think
it's bad for him, we may think it's provocative to

(05:26):
carry that ar but it is legal to do and
he was shot, So I think now, and when you
get into the thing, they asked me, well, what kind
of what kind of laws might he might he have broken?
He might and it could be a stretch, but certainly
no more of a stretch than charging him with murder

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when he didn't actually do anything. He could be a
disorderly conduct. Charge disorderly conduct. We rewrote that many years ago.
We didn't, but it was rewritten many years ago to say,
because there were there were a lot of municipalities and
cities that would see someone openly carrying a handgun or

(06:08):
a rifle slung or just in their hands and charge
them with disorderly conduct. And we said, you can't do
that now, that that's not your your get out, you know,
your your way to irritate, you know, two a people.
So we said the mirror. The mirror carrying of a

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holstered or encased firearm does not constitute disorderly conduct. So
and that doesn't mean if the weapon is not holstered
or not encased, it's automatically disorderly conduct. And in fact,
I think the language was without additional behavior which would

(06:50):
be considered threatening. So I think it hinges on that.
Would a reasonable person consider our truro beyond the mere
carrying of the rifle when he started to run, presumably
away from gunfire that was directed at him, would they

(07:11):
consider that threatening? Would that be? And that's disorderly conduct,
It's not a felony, So I think I think that,
especially with the heavy evidentiary standard of beyond a reasonable doubt,
they would have a really hard time convicting him of murder.

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And I think depending on his defense attorney and that
type of thing, I don't even think he gets disorderly conduct.
They might be able to make a case for that,
but to win in that prosecution to be interesting. Now,
let's take a look at the peacekeeper who is still
as of today Saturday, the twenty first unnamed. We don't

(07:56):
know his name, we don't know much about him. He
as far as I know, has not been charged. I
could see I could see him being charged with negligent homicide,
with with manslaughter. I could honestly see that. And as
far as a civil trial goes, oh my gosh, the

(08:20):
the organization Salt Lake City, the individual who probably doesn't
have enough money to really do much with, you know,
if they were to assume him civilly. But I could
see a whole bunch of people being sued civilly by
plaintiff's council to compensate in some pathetic way that would

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never compensate for the loss of life of that innocent
person that was killed. Okay and so, and then they
asked me in one of these news interviews. They said, well,
how do you engage a person like that when you're
on the sho street there on the street and there's
ten thousand people around. And I said, well, kind of

(09:07):
the same way you would do if you were in
your home engaging an intruder and you had kids on
the same level as that intruder. Your bullet either misses
or over penetrates, you've got a big problem. Because those
handgun rounds go through sheet rock, they go through walls,
you know, quite easily. And I said, one of the

(09:29):
things that we teach is as before you shoot, drop
to one knee. Now, think about that angle of your
firearm is now instead of parallel to the ground, it's
now going up, and given enough distance, that bullet is
going to go up and over the heads of any
innocent people that might be behind them. Now, depending if

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they're right behind them, no, it's not going to work.
But certainly the innocent person was I've heard reports thousand
feet away, Yeah, that bullet would have gone well over
their heads. So anyway, then we heard I've got running
out of time here. When we come back, we're going
to talk about BCI and the website and what just

(10:15):
got added back into it. When we come back on
gun Radio Utah, stay tuned. Going to be next weekend
live broadcasting live. Paul, Welcome to gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you very much. Look forward to having up there
with us.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Hey, it's gonna be fun. You're gonna have some vendors
up there. There's gonna be some shooting, there's gonna be
kind of a little tour and a ribbon is there
really gonna be a ribbon cutting?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Legitimately, ribbon.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, and we're gonna have a lot of activities, so
we'll just be you know, walking through a bunch of
mounts of dirt and shooting at stagnant target. So there's
gonna be a lot of activity, a lot of excitement,
a lot of opportunities for the public participate.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Pante What time does it start? We're gonna start at
ten o'clock.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'mly gonna run about four hours, So from ten o'clock
to two o'clock is when all the activities are happen,
and so.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Get there early. And then also there's gonna be Gune
Radio Utah at three o'clock though, so that's that's another thing.
So where is the Davis Shooting Range? I know it's
in Kaysville. What's the address?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yes, for member, I think it's sixteen to fifty nine East. Well,
you asked the one question that I didn't have my
fingertas at six fifty North. It's on six fifty North,
just above the East Bench in Caysville.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
The street, I'm sir, I think it's I think it's
sixteen to fifty nine somewhere their effects So without me
taking time to look at that up.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Essentially, if you if you go east in Kaysville and
you you haven't gone started going up, you're not east enough.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, And we're just above.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Most people find it by trying to find the animal
care facility. We're just up to help from them.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh interesting, okay, So it starts at ten o'clock. It's
on the twenty eighth. You go there, could kids.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Come, absolutely, it's a family affair.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
We're gonna have plenty of plenty of range officers, extra
help to make sure there's good traffic flow and safety,
be an opportunity to observe. We're gonna have the Cowboy
Action Group up there, International Defensive Pistl Association USPSA, a
few other groups up there. We have a Pin and
Plate Club demonstrating their activities, and as you mentioned, some

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vendors up there with some opportunity for the public to
experience what they have to offer. Particularly sims will be there. Yes, yes,
they'll have an opportunity to see some of these stages.
So most people want to go to the range. They're
simply in a lane shooting at stagnant targets. And as
you mentioned that that's not really training them, that's just

(12:38):
working on the fundamentals of your firearm itself and getting
good side accuracy and trigger figure discipline and so forth.
We're gonna have some stages up there that people can
shoot some reactive targets at once. As I stated, cowboy action.
They're gonna get there doing their thing. They typically wear
the vintage attire. I think you have to shoot firearms
that are either data or manufactured in the eighteen You can't.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Be shooting your blocks and your ars with you're a
cowboy shooter. No, semi yes, shotguns okay. So should people
bring their own eyes and ears? I'm assuming yes. Okay,
so iron er pro for everybody, including the kiddies and
that kind of stuff. And it's probably a good idea
as soon as you get out of the car, maybe

(13:24):
have that stuff on because it's a it's quite an
awakening as you're wandering through the parking lot and then
boom you hear some loud report. It'll make you jump,
and so get that on quick a scan. What kind
of range? What kind of rangers do you have? Short range, rifle, ranger, shotgun?
What do you have over there? I'll do above.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Actually I should qualify the shotgun you can shoot you
can fire shotguns at the range, but we don't have
any throwers or any typical traps or skeets type days.
Basically good for patterning your shotgun or things in that
natures stagnant from that standpoint.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
But you can't shoot. You can't shoot like a tactical
shotgun or a shotgun if you want to patter, okay.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yep, and you can shoot slugs and such.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
The cowboys have some activities where they'll shoot shoot a target,
pops some charcoal bricks up into the air and hit
it with their shotgun. It makes for a little bit
of spectacular display. So there's those those kind of activities
absolutely right away of one hundred yard bay. So people
can cite in the rifles and and test for distance
limited distance one hundred yards, nothing further than that. And
on the competition base for the various club stages, that'll

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all be pistols and pistol caliber firearms.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay. So if we're going to be bringing our own gun,
our own AMMO, what kind of restrictions are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Not much. We frown on fifty BMG. Okay, So leave
the barons at home. Okay, they're they're a little bit disruptive.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
But yeah, you want to be on the target, on
the targets and that type of thing I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, targets is also the kind of a they kind
of get your attention even more so, Yeah, they do
lower calgarys Yes, they will.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right, so once again, and Paul, you're the range
master there at the and gonna be there at the
ribbon cutting at the Davis Range in ks Bill on
the twenty eighth from ten to two. But hang around
a little while later. We're gonna have We're gonna have
GUN Radio Utah broadcasting live from there, and we're gonna

(15:22):
be there, I know, Bill and I will be there
at ten o'clock, if not a little bit before. And
so is there is there enough parking? Should we be
car pooling? What do you think? And by the way,
we want to say the word free, oh, free, free,
that's one of my favorite words, free and complimentary.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yes, it'll be free all weekend, so Saturday and Sunday.
And as a matter of fact, we're gonna double that.
We're gonna go free this weekend or next weekend and
the weekend after so freedom weekend Free, the twenty twenty
ninth and the following weekend for the Independence Holiday. At
Saturday and Sunday, the fifty and six wells to be
free to patrons who want to come mpanies our range.
We do have a decent sized parking lot, but yeah,

(16:01):
carpulling would be nice. We have a parking area just
outside the range, just right at the front gate, that
we're gonna put people in if that becomes too full.
There is a a what they call Wilderness Park. It's
in Cayesville where people do some mountain biking and some
trail walking things in that nature. It's not too far
down from the range, but that will act as an overflow.
And then we do out some parking up above in

(16:23):
about the middle of the range. It just isn't very
conducive to traffic, but we'll show the people up there too,
so we'll have accommodations for traffic to handle as large
a crowd as we as we can. But if people
can come together, they'll certainly alleviate some of the some
of the parking constraints.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, I'll tell you, I'm very glad that Davis Range
is opening once again, and because we're losing ranges along
the East Bend or in other areas over the years,
and I'm glad to see that it's a safe place
to shoot as opposed to I'm not saying you can't
be safe if you go out into the out into
the hills and that type of thing. But given these

(16:58):
really hot, dry, low humidity conditions with the fuel out there,
yes you can start a fire with a copper and
lead bullet absolutely, just like you know people said, well,
copper and lead, they aren't going to spark. Well, you know,
wood doesn't spark either, But what a boy scouts start
fires with rubbing two sticks together. You get friction, and

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you get that going at twenty five hundred three thousand
feet per second, you generate a lot of friction. Be
careful out there. If you're not going to go to
the Davis Range or one of the other ranges along
the East Bench or Indoor range, then practice caution. You know,
don't put your steel targets in the midst of a
big bunch of cheet grass or something like that. And

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you know, maybe bearing a shovel in some water, maybe
a fire extinguisher with you if you're going out there,
just in case, because you don't want to be that
person that we all point at and say you started
a fire and made all those gun people do look bad. Anyways,
Paul Range, Mass or Davis Range, we will see you
on Saturday the twenty eighth, looking forward.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
To it very much, so look to see you then.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Thanks for being on Gun Radio Utah. Hey, when we
come back, we are going to discuss what I said
we were going to discuss before on BCI and some
other changes there. So stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Paint scheme whatever, Sarahko, whatever coloring engraving even that you
want on your gun, or just fix it. Get it
over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. Now the gunsmith

(18:24):
at Sportsman's Warehouse. You've got a few ways to do it.
You can take it down to them at sixteen thirty
South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, give them
a call at eight to one three zero four eighty
seventy eight to one three zero four eighty seventy. Or
you can take it into any of the over one
hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations because they own

(18:44):
the gunsmith obviously at Sportsman's Warehouse, get it over there
and get your gun the way you want it to.
In addition to that, since we're on the subject of
going places ammunition, I'm telling you, I'm telling you it
hasn't happened yet. I thought it would have by now,
But it's going to. AMMO prices are going to be skyrocketing,

(19:06):
and for one reason or another, whether there was war
in the Middle East or a new administration change something.
And it doesn't take much. Get your ammo now. It
is plentiful. Now, it is cheap. Now, don't think it's
gonna get any cheaper. It's really good. Get over to
flash my brass. Flash my brass has two locations, one

(19:29):
in Orum, eighteen oh two Sandhill Road in Orum and
or Draper four thirty eight West one hundred and twenty
third South in Draper, and they're closed on Sundays, but
they're open today until five and every other day other
than Sunday till six o'clock. That's flashed my brass. All right,
So remember I told you BCI. Okay, So BCI, couple things.

(19:52):
We got a note on our on our email that said, hey,
how come you guys didn't do anything about the background
check fee that BCI used to charge seven dollars and
fifty cents for when you buy a gun from an
FFL and if you don't have a concealed carry permit,
which then it's waived. And it went up to twelve fifty. Yeah,

(20:15):
so that one got by us because typically BCI or
Department of Public Safety will give us a heads up, Hey,
we're thinking of doing this, we're thinking of doing that,
like that when they raise the concealed carry permit fee
for out of staters and the renewals and that, and
they gave us a heads up. And this time it
actually happened two years ago. This time they did it

(20:38):
without a heads up, never mentioning the background check fee
in the legislation, never mentioning it at all, and they
slipped it in so subtly that it never says anything
about the background check fee. It just gives them authority
under another existing administrative rule to up those fees. So

(20:58):
we have a few options. Definitely, we're gonna I'll just
tell you right now, and I don't care if BC
is here. It's time for an audit. It's time for
another audit, and we're gonna see exactly you know, who's
performing what what they're doing. It for how much money
it takes to do this, and uh, the auditors that
do this know what they're doing. It's not gonna be
able to hide anything. I'm not saying that bc I would.

(21:20):
It's just that we want to be very open and
transparent with that. So we're gonna find out and that
will affect everything to do with firearms, you know, but
purchasing them, the concealed firearm permit, so on and so forth.
So yeah, we're gonna do that. In addition, there's always
the opportunity. The Feds have always offered the opportunity to
do a free nixt check, a free background check, and

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so we may be looking into that. We have to
change some statutes to do that. There may be some
unintended consequences, but we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna look
into that. Okay. So the other thing with b CI,
I got a call last week before, well after the show,
last week's show saying, hey, you know you from BCI

(22:08):
telling this, Hey, you know how you contacted us about
the churches. You described the Lade Saints here too, I
will refer to as the church and how they hadn't
how they had let their notification under the existing statute
to prohibit firearms legally in their private church. How they

(22:31):
let that lapse? Well, we're going to they've notified now,
they put a notice in the newspaper, and then they
have now notified us again and so it is back
up on the website. So I think that whether it
be from our radio show, that a bunch of le'll

(22:56):
just go with handwringers contacted the church and said you can't,
we can't do this or what. I don't know what
it was. I'm not privy to the internal discussions within
the UH within the church, so I guess we'll find out.
But anyway, it's back up there. So anyways, Bill Bill

(23:18):
is sending me photos when he knows I am on
the radio, so I don't know what he's doing. He's
probably up at the up at his things, so he's
sending me photos.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
All right.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
So now let's move on to Oh you know what,
Casey Jane. Casey Jane and I were talking last night
about the the no Kings but Queens are okay. Apparently
she parade and remember this is no Apologies radio about
the shooting. What would happen if the peacekeeper she she

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She postulated, what would happen if the peacekeeper had actually
shot and killed our truro Gambo Gamba gambo and not
hit anyone else. Would he be hailed as you know,
a righteous shooter, a defender, a hero and that type
of thing. Would he be Would we be looking at

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the actions of our turou differently? Don't know? Find it interesting?
And again I will say, is the if we let
if we let the peacekeeper off with just a yeah,
you meant well, but you did kill an absolutely innocent person.
Is being shot by a peacekeeper? The price we pay

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to be protected by the peacekeepers? Don't know anyway? All right,
So we've got that, We've got that. I'm just going
down through my thing. This last week Randall Doyle, board
member with Utah Shooting Sports Council, joined me out in
Cedar Fort for a really great success in education Sporting

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play shoot in which it's kind of like golf with shotguns.
And the sporting clays are one where you go to
different stations and you shoot two shots at two different
clay pigeons that come from all sorts of different angles.
Some of them, you know, fly across from the right,
some from the left. Some away from you, some actually

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come right at you, and others bounce along the ground
like a rabbit. So it's meant to kind of mimic
what you'd find out in the field, hence Sporting Clays.
We had a great time, and the wasatch wing students
or team student team, high school kids. Fantastic and they're

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like number one or number two in the nation right now.
So and they were the coaches at each and men
and women were the coaches at each of these station,
and Randall and I were in charge of station number three,
the high and the Low one and had a great time.
It was fantastic success in education. So there's that. Hey,

(26:00):
Brad Thor, I know we talked about this briefly. Brad
Thor is going to be on next Saturday, the twenty eighth,
while we're broadcasting live from the Davis Shooting Range. Brad Thor,
He's got every year he comes out and every year
it rockets to the number one New York Times bestseller.

(26:20):
His newest book, Edge of Honor, is going to be
out July first. I have an advanced copy. I'm reading it,
and I will tell you this. It just like his
other books, It starts It does not start out slow.
It starts out bab bam in your face first chapter
with with action. It's got mystery, it's a thriller. It's

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and you have to know Brad. This is his like
twenty fifth book, and so think of it like Tom
Clancy Metzler, that kind of thing. He he knows stuff.
He used to be on the I think it was
called the Red Cell. He was literally appointed by the
Bush administration to be on the Red Team, given information

(27:02):
about the abilities of the United States government and other governments,
and he was told to come up with ideas or
come up with scenarios that might actually happen. And so anyway,
he can't use his secret information in his books, but boy,
I'll tell you really close to it, and it's stuff

(27:23):
that you read his books and you're thinking, I just
read about that in the newspaper. I just heard the
song world News anyway, or sometimes I'll be watching World
News a year or two year, three years later and
I'll say Thor talked about that in one of his
books a while ago. Anyway, So look for that, and
you can pre order his book. It's as Simon and

(27:45):
Schuster book. You can pre order it right now on
all the different things. It's called Edge of Honor. But
it's available July. First, all right, Gun Rights Policy Conference
if you go to SAF dot org. Second Amendment Foundation
saf dot The Gun Rights Policy Conference is a conference
that happens every September somewhere in the nation, and this

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year it's in Salt Lake City. And because I lobbied,
I lobbied hard to get that here, and sure enough
I got a call from Alan Gottlieb, the head, and
he said, we're bringing it to Salt Lake. So we
need volunteers. Go to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org Utah
Shooting Sportscouncil dot org and send us an email say

(28:31):
you want to help. Volunteer. We may need people transporting
back and forth to the airport. We may need not peacekeepers,
but maybe helpers there. We may need people amend tables
or to help. Because it's a big thing and it's
free at the very least, sign up to attend the
Gun Rights Policy Conference g RPC and go to SAF

(28:52):
dot org. It's in the end of September. So anyways,
when we come back, we've got a powerhouse segment planned
to to go through all the stuff I haven't gone
through yet on gun Radio, Utah. You stay tuned