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March 8, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are beautiful.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
We are in downtown Vernal at the Beautiful You went
to County Conference Center at the gun show here the
gun and Knife show.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
So we're going to be talking a little bit about
that bill. You missed it.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I traveled through through snow and freezing rain and that
through Daniels Canyon across Strawberry. After the legislature ended Sign
a Die, they adjourned sign a Die, and we'll talk
about what sina.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Die actually means.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And so it's over for it's over, except that there's
going to be another twenty days while the governor decides
if he's going to veto our bills, vetoe, vete.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
So we have one till the twenty seventh. He'll he'll
sign bills up to the twenty seventh or and then
anything after that doesn't get signed just automatically becomes automatically.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
So he can veto, he can veto up to the
twenty seventh, he can sign if he wants to sign,
but he doesn't have to sign them. Typically, yeah, typically
it's kind of making a statement if it just goes
into if it just goes into law without his signature,
it's like I don't like it. But I don't. I
don't like it enough to veto. It's not that I

(01:16):
hated enough to veto it kind of a thing. That's
kind of the message.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So can he can he start just for our listeners,
help help them understand? Can he start signing bills and
vetoing bills on the tenth Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, he's actually al right, he's already signed bills. Oh okay,
he's already signed bills. And the interesting thing is there's
a date to which he can veto it, but it can't.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
And so that means if.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
The legislature wants to override a veto, they have to
come back into session.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Right right, right right, And they'd have to call a
special session on that, wouldn't they And that Yeah, it
would be social coordination and effort, and once they're done,
they don't like coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's true. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
So all right, so let me tell you what we
got on the agenda for to. Yeah, we are gonna go.
We're going to do a rundown of the good, the bad,
and the ugly on the bills.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But we don't need you to.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't think, in fact, I don't think there's any
bills that we got past that are really in jeopardy
of a veto there's one, there's one.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Maybe, there's one maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
But you know what, I'm actually not gonna talk too
much about it bill because until after the twentieth because
I don't want to well anyway, I don't. I don't
want to go there with it right now. So it's
it's a it's a it's designed to.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
But from our listeners perspective, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
But from our listener's perspective, it's a good bill.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is a great bill.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, and a lot of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
There's a wonderful bill.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's a it's a uh yeah, so oh happy three
o eight day?

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, thank you, Happy three day to you too.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, happy three oh eight day. There's uh.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
In fact, as I was walking around the gun show here,
I you know, I would see a three O eight
and I'd say, oh, look three O eight day, happy
three eight and they'd kind of look at me like,
what the heck?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I said, it's three O eight.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's March eighth, and so I think the next time
that'll happen would be July.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
July sixth. That'd be seven six two.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
So it would be seven six two zero two five,
so seven six two days.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Anyway, I think I'm probably.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Reaching there, all right, So we are going to run
down the bills very very briefly and just tell you
whether they whether they they made it or not. There's some,
there's some. Obviously we we did pretty good this year.
I will tell you that there was one disappointment. But anyway, then, oh,
we're going to have Bill Lewis with the friends of

(03:50):
Buckskin Hills Complex. Uh, it's a really cool complex here.
And you went to county and wait till I tell
you how far away, way, how far away they get
on the on.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
The range there. So yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And so we're I'm having to point to people because
people come up to the booth because we're right in
the lobby of the gun show and they think that
they come in here to give us money to get in. Well,
so I collected a whole bunch of money and I
don't know if they've been able to get in though.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Good.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, anyway, so.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk
about the Supreme Court. The United States Supreme Court is
hurt a case this last week involving Mexico and guns
and guns from the United States going into Mexico, and
Mexico's suing some gun manufacturers. We'll let you know how

(04:46):
that goes. Also, Bill, we have a you know, we
have a we have a state gun. It's any Browning
design M nineteen eleven is our state gun. But oftentimes
the legislature, well well not a not the legislature, but
they get kind of behind not officially but in a
unofficial way, a legislative gun for that year.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
And so we're going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
What that gun might be for this year, for twenty
twenty five. And I've been talking with some legislators about that.
So also that and uh and some other stuff. Bill,
what have you got you had some stuff?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, We've got a couple of things we want to cover.
We're going to cover a little bit about a little
more on three to oh eight in the next segment.
Also want to get you to mark your calendar, so
I grab a pen and paper. Got some calendar events
coming up with Utah Divisional Wildlife Resources that you just
need to be aware of. And we might have one

(05:49):
other surprise there for you.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
So there's a surprise. Do I know about it? Nope?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
No, nope, ask me if I know about it, I.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Will tell you this. So that's what you've got coming up? Then, Okay,
I will say this if you've gotten emails. I know,
I got a ton of emails, frantic. Oh my gosh.
You know, contact your US House members immediately, blah blah
blah on HR fourteen forty six enhanced background Checks in
the US Congress. And I'm like, what, no way, And

(06:24):
so I went and looked it up. And I actually
looked it up.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yes, there was a bill called HR fourteen forty six
Enhanced Background Checks.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
It was in twenty twenty one. Okay, I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Think this Congress. I don't think we're too worried about
this Congress doing that. So anyway, yeah, I will so,
so stay tuned. We're going to be talking with Bill
Lewis with friends of Buckskin Hills Complex here in beautiful.
You into a county and I got promised a tour
of the of the complex. But when I go, I

(07:00):
do that today, all right, when we come back on
Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
The Great Weather. Enjoyed a fabulous lunch with my in laws,
my mother in law and father in law. Karen's gone
out of town. So it's playtime for this guy. And
we couldn't be happier now. Earlier we were talking about
three oh eight day, three eight Happy threeh eight day.
And you can take advantage of happy threeh eight day

(07:26):
by running over to flash my Brass which is celebrating
three eight day. They got threeh eight windsor Winchester arms
Core full metal jacket. They got Norma Tip Strike, great
prices on If you're just looking for small packages all
the way up to a thousand round boxes, go check

(07:47):
them out. Eighteen oh two sand Hill Road in Orum
and four thirty eight West one hundred and twenty third
South in Draper. If you're from out of state, you
don't understand our addressings, add two zeros to everything I
just said and I'll get you there. But yeah, Clark,
happy three eight day out there to you. Well, thank you, Bell.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, we're celebrating by buying guns and ammunition and reloading
supplies and beef jerky out here at the show. Hey,
I am joined by Bill Lewis, who is with Friends
of Buckskin Hills Complex.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Bill. Welcome to Gun Radio, Utah.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, thank you all right, So what is what is
the it's a you went to county facility, what is
Buckskin Hills Complex? And I'm assuming the money from the
gun show today goes to it goes to search and
rescue or something for the county, Is that right?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
That is correct?

Speaker 5 (08:46):
In the past, we've donated the proceeds from this show
directly to the shooting range and its improvements.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, no, no, no, you're okay. If you tap on
that table though, it comes through. So we have to
just so, I'm just gonna have your full drims because
that's what I have to do, all right. So now,
so it's going to search and rescue and tell us
about some of that. What are some of the things
that it might do for search and rescue the money
from the gun show.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Basically, we're talking community County County Organization, which is headquartered
and commanded by our sheriff and is our basic search
and rescue for the Yuanna Mountains and the surrounding counties.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
So they do a lot of work.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
This year they've been especially lucky in terms of the
numbers that they've had to deal with. But it is
a very very important organization for our county.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Now, let's get back to Buckskin Hills Complex. Tell me
what goes on there at Buckskin Hills Complex.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Buckskin Hills constitutes a shooting range, a sledding hill, a
dirt track. A for a while we were even managing
to do heavy construction equipment in that general area. It
has an oval dirt an oval dirt track, and it
has a drag strip, as near as I can tell,

(10:08):
probably the only one left in Utah.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
How far out can you shoot?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Final distances for the backstop on our long distance range
is right at one mile?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh gosh, build did you hear that? One mile?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
The hell?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Shooting your creedmar It would have to stop halfway.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
It need yeah, need to catch up. It needed to
take a break.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I would just take a break out there. Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
So, uh this gun show, I got to tell you,
it's fantastic. The you w Indo County Conference Center is
really a beautiful fairly it looks like it's fairly new,
but everything is carpeted, everything is well lit. And where
you actually have the gun show. But how many gun
show boots do you have? Are tables? We have right

(10:55):
at one hundred and seventy eight tables.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
The only thing that constrain is the number of tables
that are available physically, that's all that the county owns.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Wow oh wow, okay, so hey, we're taking up two
tables here right here in the lobby. So anyway, the
guns show was fantastic. People walking around. So I we're
setting up and people everybody is just walking around the
conference center and they're open carrying. You got the guns
out and all this kind of stuff. And I said so,
and I thought maybe I don't know if it was

(11:26):
associated with the gun show or not.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I said, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And he says, oh, well, that's it's Saturday, you know,
whether it's the gun show or not. And you know,
I want to remind folks that are listening to if
you get a chance, come out and visit beautiful you
into County dinosaur Land, who's got everything outdoors. And we
were the very first and I say we because I
live here now. We were the very first Second Amendment

(11:50):
sanctuary county in the state. Out of all twenty nine
counties you went, too County. And you know what, we're
the closest to Colorado too, So that's uh, we are
the bulwark the protection for the rest of the state
from from the folks in Colorado. All right, so tell
us about the gun show. What are what are people?
I mean, obviously've got guns, but not just FFLs, not

(12:14):
just gun stores that are selling their their wares, but
regular folks are are cleaning out and selling their stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Is that right? Bill? That is correct?

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Basically, our gun show is ment to work with not
only a commercial group of dealers, but also for private
individuals that wish to enhance their own collections or to
acquire other guns for their collections.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
So what's the cost to get in? We're a bargain
of five dollars? I mean, Bill, did you hear that?
Five bucks to get in?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And and and technically it's kind of a donation too.
So what about are there? Does you went too County?
I kind of know the answer to this, but does
you went to County? Have any problem with a per say,
inside the gun show, selling a private party selling a
gun to another private party.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Well, the gun show definitely has no difficulty with that
because the law allows for sales between individuals. There are
some constraints, of course, but that's not normally a problem
for us at the gun show.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
So I got to ask Okay, So I got a question.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
They're not in Bill got I got, I got a
question for you, because if you haven't heard, Colorado's coming
down with some major major gun bands in uh it
was in regards to AR fifteen's AR fifteen Accessories magazines
in that how many people are coming over the borders

(13:44):
so to speak, and doing their shopping there today?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So he wants to know, Bill, Bill is asking, so
Bill the other Bill here, Bill Lewis doesn't have headphones on,
so he couldn't hear. He wants to know how many
people are coming in from Colorado to buy stuff they
can't buy in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
You know, that's a tough thing to put a number on.
But we are closely related to our friends in Maffat
County just across the line. We do a lot of
things together, and this gun show is really one of
those things. A lot of them come over from the
cities of Colorado to do business here and to enjoy
the gun show.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah. See, so there you.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Go, Bill, So there are there are wonderful people in Colorado.
So it's just their legislature. Speaking of legislature, is it
could have it could get some work, you know, some
better anyway, all right, so when I get done with this,
how much time do I have We're gonna be done
at four o'clock. How much time do I have to

(14:45):
peruse through the rest of the gun show?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah? Two hours? Were close at six? Okay? How often
do you have them here?

Speaker 5 (14:53):
We do this show once a year, and I'll be
very truthful with you, it takes almost a full year
to do the preparation for it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So that's contacting all the vendors making sure you probably
have to have insurance I imagine for the gun show.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Insurance for this particular show, and this particular show on
this event is carried basically by the county through search
and Rescue.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, Bill, did you hear that?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's amazing because I know the other gun shows in
Salt Lake area, well, you've got it, they've got to.
I mean, it's hard to find insurance coverage and you
can only get it for a certain amount.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I might have to talk to you more about that,
Bill and see if we can't hybrid that idea for
other gun shows. So anyways, Bill, I've got to send
it back to you in the studio and let's see
what have we got You were going to talk about DWR.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think, yeah, so we've got good calendar events. Thanks
Clark for that. We've got a great calendar event coming up.
Make sure you mark your calendars. March twentieth, the Big
Game application period starts, and I don't want you to
be whinding and complaining. I already talked with one of
my friends forgot to put in for some earlier tags

(16:13):
this year, so I'm this.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, yeah it was me. You didn't tell me about
the bear hunt thing.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well yeah, well okay, sorry, sorry Clark. We both missed
out on that one. So if that makes you feel
any better. Also, hey, make sure you run over and
get set up on our alert page. Go run over
to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org and right at
the very top there's alert. So as you have to

(16:39):
do is click on that, scroll down, add your email
address to it. Yeah, we're wrapping up the end of
this year. Legislation's over, but it's always good to get
on there because as the winter weather gets better, we're
going to be doing some outdoor activities. We're constantly doing
shooting events and such. We might be looking for volunteers

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or just a good way of getting to know what's
happening in Utah and with Utah guns. And with that, Clark,
I'm gonna throw it over to Danny. We'll be right
back on Gun Radio Utah. I got a lot more
to cover here in just a few minutes. Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Beef Jerky from the boy Scouts and because that goes
to a good cause and beef Jerky and and I
kind of completely spaced it because until Bill was pointing
at me. All right, So we are here at the
beautiful you went to. You went to County Conference Center
in beautiful downtown Vernal, Utah at the Gun and Knife Show,

(17:40):
which is a one time a year, for two days,
one time a year event, and all the money is
going to the Buckskin Hills Complex and the Search and
Rescue I believe something like that. And so that was
neat to have Bill Lewis on with friends of Buckskin Hills.
All right, so let me tell you about the gun smith.

(18:01):
So the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse is the place that
you can take your gun to if it's if it's
not in the condition that you want, if it needs
a muzzle break put on it, if it needs just
some threading for a suppressor. Perhaps if your stock is cracked,
if you want a different color, if you want it bedazzled.

(18:24):
Maybe I'm going too far to say bedazzled, but anyway,
or your gun is just not working, you want it modified,
you want to customize, you want it Sara codad whatever.
Get it to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. You can
take it right down to them at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, or take it
into any of the over one hundred and forty six
Sportsman's Warehouse locations. Gotta be one located near you, and

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you can technically even mail it in uh, but give
them a call it eight to one three zero four
eighty seventy eight one three zero four eighty seventy. All right,
So Bill, let's talk about some bills we've had. Bill Petterson,
We've got Bill Lewis. Now we're going to talk about
Utah state bills.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So here here are some of the bills that passed
that were good. Now, I'm not going to mention every
one of them, because there's a lot of bills that
we just worked on that started out like HB three
oh nine bill, remember that one with Casey's Representative Casey Snyder,
and only modified it. It wasn't supposed to be a
gun bill or anything like that. We modified it until
we made it good. And so there was no interaction,

(19:31):
no negative interaction with second amendment on that one. So anyway,
HB forty school Safety Amendments by Representative Wilcox past and
is on the Governor's desk, and if I say passed,
it means it's on the Governor's desk waiting for his signature.
Here's a good one, HB one oh four school safety
education or firearm safety education in schools. That one I'll

(19:53):
give you, okay. So we've been working on that one
with Representative Ship. Essentially it requires firearms safety education.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Not how to use a gun.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
We're not there yet, maybe next year, but anyway, safety
if you see a gun, stop, don't look or don't
don't look, stop, don't touch, leave the area to an
adult generally speaking, and then it would it's going to
be modified, you know, up to the to the correct
age group and appropriate. So it started out as that
every year in K through six and then twice in

(20:29):
your seven through twelve. Well, it got modified here and
there as to the to the to the number of
times in the K through six. But it's an opt out,
so you're gonna the kids are gonna get taught that
unless mom or dad are so freaked out that they say,
oh no, we cannot teach our kids about firearm safety,
and then they can opt out. So the bill was

(20:50):
was moving through and then it gets to the Senate
and the Senate senator rebe who bill is your senator
technically my senator too for the House in cong with heights,
and she decides, you know what, I want to add
something completely different to the bill and say that we're
going to decide how you should store your guns. We're

(21:12):
going to send home a note with with the kids
to give to the parents to say you got to
store your gun in this specific way, and it would
be up to the school district to decide what's going
to go on that. And so we talked with the representative.
He says, well, that's not good, and I said, no,
that's not good. But it already passed the House and
it was and it technically it passed the Senate in

(21:33):
that form. So there's a procedure and it had to
go back to the House because it got changed, and
so it goes to what we call concurrence, and Representative
Ship says, no, we do not concur with the Senate's changes.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
We want it changed back. Long story short, he.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Got it back and his explanation was to the speaker. Yeah,
the Senate added some some garbage and we took it out.
So it's good because here's the thing. It gave no
metric for what the school district was going to say.
I mean, maybe they're going to say the best storage
for guns is outside in a storage unit, or or

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broken apart or taken up.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Who knows what they could have said, because there was
nothing on there.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
All right, So uh HB well, HB one eight we're
watching very closely. That's all I'm going to say, and
we are glad that it passed. Anyway, HB one thirty
three did not pass. That was our great, big, huge
gun bill. Stay tuned, folks, give us a give us

(22:38):
about two and a half weeks and stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's all I'm going to say. Bill, that's all we're
going to say.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Right, Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. And yeah,
that's all we're going to say.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's all we're going to say. Just stay tuned, folks,
all right. HB one eighty three, Trevor leees. If you're
not a citizen and you come into the United States
on an asylum, which is from what it's been explained
to me, you're in but you're not legal, and you're
in on an asylum type of thing, you can't own
a gun. And so because you're kind of quasi illegal

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almost so. Anyways, that one passed. That one's on the
Governor's death HB one ninety five. That is called retention Amendments. Basically,
what it was it was represented McPherson. You have to
say McPherson because he's Scottish, I think. And what that
did is it says, if you get a plea in abeyance,
it basically you get to keep your guns, even though

(23:36):
you may plead guilty if the if the crime that
you're pleading guilty to for plea in abeyance, which will
mean it's going to be erased after six months or
a year or whatever, that says.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
That you can still have guns.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Because there were some prosecutors, some judges that were saying
even though the crime was a misdemeanor and wouldn't have
prohibited you in the first place, you still can't have guns. Well, no,
that's no point though. So anyways, we put that into law.
So now if it's a felony, then yeah, you're playing
advance is going.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
To say that you can't have guns. All right.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now, we're going to talk about HB one.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
These are ones that didn't make it. It was a great idea.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It was going to start a week long tax free
holiday on gun accessories, gun safes, gun safety type things.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
That one did not pass because it was a tax
free holiday on guns.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And where did it not pass? It didn't pass in
the Senate.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
A lot of these great ideas sail right through with
some good, good discussions in the House. But we're finding
a common theme in the Senate and Senate leadership. Okay,
here's one I'm not too disappointed.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Imitation firearms.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
If your kid takes the orange cap off a off
an imitation off a toy gun. We're talking a toy gun.
If they take the orange cap off of it, then
they could be they could be in SERI his trouble. Well,
that one didn't pass. That died in the that died
in the house. I think HB two twenty one burglary.
So this was Colin jack Representative Colin Jacksonville. It didn't

(25:10):
make it either, And I don't know why that one
never got any legs on it, but basically it said
that if a person comes through in her home to
burglarize and they start messing with a gun safe or
a gun storage device or a gun vault or anything
like that, there's an enhanced crime under burglary.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And that was a really good bill. Clark, I thought
that was a great one bill. And you know whose
idea that was.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That was one of our board members, John Spangler. Yeah,
that was his idea on that one. So anyway, HB
two two seven Restricted Persons Representative Mauga did not pass,
and that one needs some That one needs some work
if we're going to even go neutral on that one.
That was an interesting bill. I don't think it was
ready for prime time. Hey, let me tell you a
couple that absolutely died horrific flaming deaths. HB three eighty

(25:56):
seven and the SB one thirty. This is Representatives Daughter
Stadi's bill on machine gun firearm attachments and uh we
need to we need to displain some we need to gun
explain some things to Representative Stoddard. Yes, because Stoddy thought
that a bump stock was a machine gun attachment.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Anyone that one died.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
And then we have the the all or Nothing bill
that would have required in mandatory background checks, waiting periods,
semiato bands, magazine restrictions and everything. So thank you bill
and everything that was Senator Blue and SB one thirty
that one died terribly. HB four twenty five passed, and

(26:40):
I'm calling that not a good thing.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
That was the one. We ameliorated it.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
But that one, the one that started out, is increasing
concealed carry permit fees and renewal fees and instructor fees,
and so it ended up being just out of staters.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
But I didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Because it increased the out of state because BCI said
they didn't have the money. Well, you know what, and
they blamed permitless carry HB sixty from four years ago
or five years going on litt it was. And so
they had to have known that the writing was on
the wall. When your check blik starts getting down, you
know about it before the check you write bounces.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You need to know about that stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so anyways, they came to the They came to
the legislat your hat in hand and said, we have
to raise fees or we have to shut down the
concealed carry permit program. They were literally holding the permit
program hostage. And so I didn't like the way that
was done. So we added in there, with the help
of Representative carry On Lizzenbee, a form of an audit

(27:44):
every year on them. They have to appear before the
sub Appropriations Committee. But the end is not that's not
the end of that. So we're going to be revisiting
that one next year. I'm sure that all right, we
are out of time in this segment. When we get back,
I want to talk about Mexico suing United States gun

(28:05):
manufacturers and maybe a state gun for twenty twenty five
for the legislature to take hold of. When we come
back on Gun Radio Utah, stay tuned the Uente County
Conference Center, gun and Knife Show and promoting Buckskin Hills
Shooting Complex and the search and rescue and you know, Bill,

(28:27):
we've got We're here at the Utah Shooting Sports Council booth.
Randall Doyle did the drive, the three hour drive through
rain and sleet and snow, and uh then had to
deal with dogs when he got here and that type
of thing.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
And so he is.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
He spent the night in the freezing cold and he
is here. So big thank you to a big thank
you to Randall, in fact, a big thank you to
so many, to so many of the people that has
that have helped out, like Randall yourself, Bill, you really
did some fantastic work up on the hill this year

(29:04):
as our newest lobbyist Women for Gun Rights.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
You know remember Arrayel.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Cunningham, Cindy as I'm Walt and art for Manian, Art
for Manian with Silence, Aaron Aaron Kennedy, He's with Baile
Agents and that so many. And then big thanks to
John Spangler this year too. He's John writes all of
our alerts and does it just basically handles everything on

(29:33):
that back end. And a big thank you to our
membership and our listeners that have made gun Radio Utah
in the top ten for gun related radio and podcast
in the nation. Bill and I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
go ahead say the world, the world, the world, the world.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well you can I got to expand on the on
your on your comment to our listeners and to our
members as well, because we can't do it without them.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
We're just a small voice. But when we go into
these committee hearings and the first thing we hear was, Okay,
who got barraged with the emails? I just I just
have this, you know, I'm just trying to contain myself because.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, the committee chairs literally, you know, literally tell the
audience that's that's there for that.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
He says.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Listen, we've already been barraged with your emails.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, and and.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And it warms my heart to know that gun Radio
Utah Utah Shooting Sports Council members, the Gun Radio Utah
listeners are doing that and are actually making a difference.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
And Randall is signing up.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Randall, We've got a page full of new USSE email
alert people right here in Vernal.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
So I'm gonna be doing that so big.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Thank you, a huge and sincere thank you to everybody,
and to all the good legislators.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
You know who you are.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
And the bad legislators too. You know who you are?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, well, yes that's right, you do know who you are. Yeah,
that's right. All right, So, hey, the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So let me tell you about what the Supreme Court
has been doing. So on Tuesday they heard they heard
both sides in the Mexico versus the Gun the United
States gun manufacturers.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
They're they're suing them for ten billion dollars against US
gun makers as and what happened was during this and
you can listen to it if you go to the
Supreme Courts thing. It's kind of a long one. Conservative
and the liberal justices. They both raise concerns about essentially
allowing Mexico to hold firearm manufacturers libel for the cartel violence.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
In their own country. I just let alone the violence
in our country.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But they're saying that glock Smith and Wesson and Barretta
and Colt and I don't know who else, but at
least them, they wanted to hold them liable because they
manufacture guns that somehow end up across the border.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Now, how do they do that?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
It's obviously illegal for them to go across the border.
But didn't we have didn't we have the US government
doing that for a while, bill sending guns to Mexico.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, I think it's fast and I think it was
called fast and furious.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah like that.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, Eric Holder thinks Eric, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
And and Bill, I mean, what do you think of Mexico.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
What do you think of Mexico suing the United States
gun manufacturers for that?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, I mean it's it's so ludicrous. I mean, it's
like me suing their water plants for drinking their water
if I was in the country.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh you went there. Ye oh.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
It's just it's I know the risk.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I know, I know that what will happen, and so
if you do it, it's on you, you know. And
that's why I like, I understand and a lot of
European countries, you know, you do something stupid and you
go ahead and do it anyway, it's on you, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
So uh so many of the justices in Tuesday's hearing,
they they they just just to put it middly, they
seem unconvinced by Mexico's case and that it that it's
going to move forward, and you can even tell by
Justice Soda.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
My Ore.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Suggested that the alleged harms that Mexico was talking about
from the cartel violence are they're too far removed from
Smith and Wesson's manufacturing of guns. And they're saying that
the way they manufacture the guns leads to the cartel violence.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
They literally were saying.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
That, And that's how kind of and even and if
Soda my Or is saying that, you can imagine you know,
Elena Kagan and and.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
The rest also not being convinced.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
So and in fact, one of the quotes that Kagan said,
he says, there there are lots of gun dealers, and
you're just saying that gun makers know that some of
them engage in trafficking. So we're not talking the gun
the dealers the engage in trafficking, but which some of them,
he says, I mean, who are they kidding? Do they

(34:23):
really think that the gun makers are aiding and a
betting in this complaint? So anyway, I don't think it's
going to go very far. And Brett Kavanaugh raised some
concerns on that as well. So anyways, I don't think
that's gonna I don't think it's going to go any far. Hey, Bill,
So we've talked about previously about and when we've had

(34:43):
it before, and you've been involved in it.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
U Tah Shooting Sports Council has been involved in.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It before, and we talked about a state gun for
the year, and so the legislature unofficially, very unofficially kind
of gets behind. We've had we've had uh, let's see,
well are our last one I think was North American Arms. No,
the last one was Gorilla Guns or Gorilla Arms.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
It was an offshoot AR manufacturer.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I don't know if their own business not to find out,
but they made an AR commemorative rifle. But that's been
about three or four years ago, if if not more
than that, maybe it's been five or six. So anyway,
and so the mood this year is that we get
like Silencer Co. To actually make a suppressor, yeah, for

(35:29):
twenty twenty five for the Utah legislature.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I brought it up with Silencer Co. And I said,
what are your thoughts about doing a suppressor, a legislative
suppressor and maybe a limited run for Utah gun owners
as well too that they could sell to their dealers.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And and we'll have a nice we'll have a nice
symbol of the state on there. And we have to
be careful because we can't put the state flag or
anything like that on there.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
But it'll change by them. But here's the thing it,
I mean this would be really nice. And Silencer co
came back to me and said, hey, this is a
fantastic idea, would be very very glad to be involved
with it. So and then I got a rod.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It looks like we're going to go fullard.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I've been talking to some legislators and it looks like
we uh that there's enough uh, there's.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Enough interest to support Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That we're going to do this.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
So we just have to get find out how long
it takes to make a run of I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I think we're gonna need five hundred of them or something.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I think Silencer Coach should do a forty five forty
seven model forty five forty seven.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I think that would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, because everybody needs one of those exactly. Hey, Bill,
thank you so much you've been I'm going to go
walk with the gun show.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, go enjoy one of those brand Brunna Sourceburgers
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