Gun Radio Utah: Gun Shows save lives; Drone Hunting

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm her Oth Clark, a potion sitting across from me
in his silencer co hoodie. That I, or at least
I was the in between anyway is Bill Petterson, director
of Utah Shooting Sports Council, who I would love to
make chairman.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
But anyway, that's beside the point. Hey, we are live
on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Go to gun Radio Utah Facebook page and see us
in video on live on video gun Radio. So yeah,
we've got we've got a we've got a great We've
got a we've got a great show. We've got a
great show. We're gonna be talking a little bit about drones.
We talked a little bit about drones before, but now
we have some uh we have some international news and

(00:46):
some national news. We're gonna talk about. Hey, something that
quietly happened in the US Congress that's literally on Joe
Biden's desk.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh. That is a good thing, I think, a good
thing for shooters.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think he's gone to bed though.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You think he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Uh yeah, anyway, So hey, gun shows save lives. Gun
shows save lives. There's a study a quite a comprehensive.
I think it was a peer reviewed study too that
show that gun shows actually save lives. It's interesting to

(01:23):
talk about that. Uh, do you think that a candidate
for a police chief of a major metropolitan city, do
you think that his or her views on the Second
Amendment have any bearing on.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
A police chief?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes, it's a candidate, it's a candidate for, it's a
it's a chief chief of police.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yes, he's a candidate for.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Do you think his views on the Second Amendment should
have any bearing on his potential? Okay, well wait till
you hear what what Sean Barnes, who's aurrently currently a
chief in Madison, Wisconsin, you know, anyway, said about Second Amendment?
And what do you you had something?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
You had something interesting?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, we've got another glock story. We've got an individual
back keys. They got arrested with a glock.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Are you gonna tell us you can tell us about
second segment or third?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm gonn Yeah, I'm gonna save this a little later
because I don't want to say too much about what
I use one word underwear, Okay, I'll let you use
it underwear, underwear, underwear, glock underwear. Now, this isn't a
Johnny Carson.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You're using two separate terms, right, I.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Mean, okay, block underwear.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, okay, now it's not glock underwear. Glock doesn't have
under as far as I know. They have shovels, they
have knives, they have guns.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
You got to pose it as a question though, Okay,
all right, what is no? We'll save that well?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Hey, uh Bill, you know that I have had an
ongoing project it at ghost Eye Manor for hour while
for the necessity room. I could call it the no
Girls Allowed Room, like on what was that show back
in the thirties or whatever. They anyway, the Rascals, the

(03:16):
little Rascals, the he Man Woman Haters Club.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's great. I need a sign from my room on
that anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So I've had nice custom cabinetry installed with really cool
accent lighting and led lighting, and the heated floor and
marble and brick, some brick on the walls in the
cabinet area, and I've been trying to figure out what
to do with the rest of the walls.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
They're concrete.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
There's you know, poured concrete walls, and I've been trying
for over a year to figure out exactly what I
want because once it's in there it's in there. I
don't want to be changing anything, and I wanted it
to look really nice, maybe a little different. So I
thought about staining the concrete. They have concrete. I thought

(04:03):
about painting the concrete. I thought about putting more brick up.
That was really expensive to do the brick, to have
the brick guy come and do the brick on the
other part.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Then I thought about felt.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, And then I had pretty much figured out I
was going to use this faux stone product that is
kind of foam, but.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It looks it looks it looks like indoor outdoor.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It looks exactly like you know, you can get brick,
you can get stone, you can get anyway, but it's
it's it's uh. You'd have to you have to drill
it in with like tapcn screws or and or glue
it and anyway. So I priced it out for the
number of square feet and it was going to be
like over five thousand dollars and that doesn't include install

(04:51):
So I was going to do it myself, okay, And
then two weeks ago you showed me a website and
you were going to go to this guy's place. A
website of Dan Dan's website Slcpallette Walls dot com. Yep,
SLC Pallette Walls dot com. And he's right in West Valley,
right because I had a similar project. Yeah, you had
a similar project. Mine was literally three times bigger though

(05:14):
I think real it is.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
So anyway, I saw that and I said done, and
then it extra confirmed when we went to his place
and looked at all the stuff SLC. So we're going
to be having I think we're going to have Dan
on as we do this project in the next couple weeks.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And you're going to help me with it, is that,
right you?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, come out and help you.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
And so just take a look. If you've got a room,
it can be indoors or outdoors. But if you've got
a room that you're trying to figure out what you
want to do with the walls, Oh my gosh, this
is this is fast.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I finished, SLC. Yeah, and you did it.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
In fact, I just sent him a picture of it.
In fact, now I'm starting to hang the pictures and
I really want to get your take on what I
want to do with that eighteen ninety seven shotgun that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I've got at an angle. Yeah, and that's the thing
you can mount stuff to these. So I'm super excited
about finally having that room done.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
And it was a fun priory. I got a lot
of Okay, I'm not gonna say I got some backlash
on it. You did, but my wife wasn't all that
excited about it.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But you know, Karen, Karen's a lot like Casey Jane
as far as that goes. And they humor us, they
tolerate us.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
They roll their eyes all the time at us, and
they talk behind her backs.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh yeah, they do that.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I haven't been stabbed yet in the back, but I'm
sure the arms.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Casey has it all figured out, does she.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, so when she does murder, death, kill me, she's
going to do it off the site, and she won't
take her phone with her because they can track, you know,
put it.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
On the dog and send the dog off to the
chase the turkey. Yeah yeah, I was out here chasing turkey.
But I did get it put up. And I'll tell
you this, everyone has seen it, love it. In fact,
I was on some conference calls, you know, zoom meetings
and that video and everyone's like, Bill, what what did
you do to your room?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
If you're on zoom or WebEx or whatever. This would
make a fantastic bactory.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
So go check out SLC Pallette, Walls Plural dot com
and there's a whole gallery of photos.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Tell Dan that we sent you.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yep. And but we're going to talk a little bit
more over the next couple of weeks on this project
of Clark's and mine, and then we're going to invite
Dan on. We've gotten scheduled for January fourth to come in. Now,
the funny part of this Clark is where we met him.
We actually met him at a gun show.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
At the gun show, he was displaying the stuff at
the gun show, and I remember.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I remember that because it's one of those things. It
wasn't like a Beanie baby thing, but it's like, hey, Walls.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Can you poe up Brent connect stuff with flash my Brass.
We had a great, really great sale going on for Ammo.
Buy your Ammo price it. I still hold that. Yeah,
I thought Ammo would have gone up just before the election.
Read some of this off, yeah, read some of the
stuff off. It's flash my brash dot com, flash my

(08:12):
brash dot com. And they're right, they're an orm and
they're in is it West Jordan yeah, twenty third seventh.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, I call it draper. I think they're right on
the draper. But yeah, just there, nine millimeter millimeter nine
millimeter federal full metal jacket, thousand around case to forty nine.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So twenty five cents a round, yep, and this is
all factory Factory two two three range pack Arms Corp.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
One hundred and sixty rounds plus two p mags and
an AMMO can. Ninety nine bucks. Now that would make
for a great stocking stuff as well. Take some of
those P mags and throw those oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
two two three Arms Corps thousand round case four forty
nine forty five ACP full metal jacket ninety nine bucks

(09:00):
for two hundred and fifty rounds twelve gauge Remington two
hundred and fifty round case, twelve gauge. Yeah, eighty nine
bucks for what size shot? Does it say? It doesn't
say the shot size, but I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, so twelve boxes.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So wait a minute, twenty five rounds in a box,
twelve boxes of that, so it is a full.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Case, YEP, for how much?

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Eighty nine bucks?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, that's crazy talk right there. That's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
So you can go check them out at eighteen oh
two sand Hill Road in Orum and on four thirty
eight West one hundred and twenty three hundred South in Draper.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
All right, when we come back, we've got lots more
to cover, so stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Gun Radio Utah Christmas Eve Edition. Yeah, we all want
a gun for Christmas?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Who doesn't want to?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
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(10:06):
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Speaker 1 (10:35):
House to take grandma. Yeah, so we got that.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And oh what do you got for us? Well, I
got you know how John Lott says, who's a friend
of gun Radio Utah. By the way, he says, more
guns equal less crime. Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna say
more gun shows equal less crime.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
So it came out there was a peer reviewed stuf.
Peer reviewed means it had to. It was critiqued, and
it was found to be, you know, accurate in a
paper published comparing the highly regulated California gun shows, which
you can't just go in there and buy a gun.
You have to you have the waiting period. There is
no private sales. There are no private sales at California

(11:20):
gun shows. They're very restricted in the types of guns.
You can have magazine restrictions, uh, the it can't be
really a salty type gut. You can't have assalty type guns,
and so on and so forth. So and they compared
them with the generally speaking unrestricted, free for all Texas
gun shows, okay, and they found there was no and

(11:47):
this is not my study, but there was no statistical
difference in suicide rates or in homicide rates in California
after a gun show, because I remember, and they're probably
still doing it at the California gun shows in Orange County
and Sacramento and San Francisco or technically daily City. San

(12:07):
Francisco would never have a gun show, but anyway, it
was right there on the border. And they said, oh,
these gun shows will increase homicide and suicide because people
will go to these gun shows and buy a gun
and then suicide themselves, or homicide people or homicide murder,
death kill people.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
So there was a study brought out.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And this was not a this was not done by
a friendly pro gun group. I think it was generally speaking,
rather neutral. But it said, from the study, our results
provide little evidence of a gun show induced increase in
mortality in Texas at the generally unregulated gun shows, no
waiting period, no background check required, that kind of stuff,

(12:49):
and we find that in the two weeks following a
gun show, the average number of gun homicides declined in
the area surrounding the gun show.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
They declined. So, like I said, more gun shows equal
less crime.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, I follow you. I follow you. So do we
need to have more gun shows?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yes, we do.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm all for that, so it said keep in mind
with while these results are statistically significant, they are quite small,
representing just one percent of all homicides in Texas in
the average air But so gun control. The anti gunfolks
argue that because sales at gun shows are much less
regulated than other sales such as such shows make it

(13:31):
easy for potential criminals to obtain a gun. Similarly, one
might be concerned that gun shows would exacerbate suicide rates
by providing individuals considering suicide with a more lethal means
of ending their lives. However, the study showed we find
no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases in
either gun homicides or suicides. In addition, tighter regulation of

(13:54):
gun shows does not appear to reduce the number of
firearms related deaths. So they did this study over ten years,
Oh interesting, ten years and thirty three hundred gun shows
over those two states, and so California and Texas. And
I mean, if you look at it, California and Texas

(14:16):
contain twenty percent of the population of the United States.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
So it was not conducted.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
By the NRA or you know, the Freedom's Firearm Alliance
or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
So why though, what would be the reason interesting statistic?
I mean, it is data, but because.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well I look at it. It's interesting because California's rules
and laws regarding firearms and the types of firearms, like
you mentioned the assaulty ones versus Texas rules on assaulty firearms. Yeah,
they're totally they're black and white.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, clearly black and white.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I mean, so, I mean and the crime.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
They are both border states.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm going to add that they're okay, they bordered water. Yeah,
I think that's where you're going with.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, So here are some hypothetes.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Okay, I've got some questions, but go ahead with your So.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
The authors suggest two hypothetical reasons for the decrease in homicide.
The possibility that police are somehow more vigilant after a
gun show and are preventing homicides. Yeah, yeah, try to
get try to get the cops online. But anyway, Or
the criminals are using unregular unregularly.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
This is an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
The criminals are using unregulated gun shows to sell their guns,
thus depriving themselves of weapons to commit a homicide.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Okay, that's gonna be fun. That's god. So that would
mean that gun buybacks.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Prive criminals of using their guns to commit assalty type things.
So now then there are the more obvious ones. Okay,
gun shows make criminals more aware of the possibility that
their victims are being armed, thus causing them to delay
their homicidal urges.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, but wouldn't that be within like a four block
radius of the guns show?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I mean yeah, So then so when criminals notice that
a gun show is being held in an area and
people can more easily buy and sell guns, it is
reasonable to believe that they would understand potential victims could
be armed.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So I find both of those.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I love though, that the criminals are selling their guns
and thus not having a gun to well.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
And I remember last week at the gun show, I
mean I was talking to Jelem because this is the
safest place in Utah right now, you know, because of
all the law abiding gun owners, and and it's kind
of funny. I always think of, Okay, how many people
are packing inside the gun show. We know they do it.
You know, they always say unload your firearm blah blah
blah blah blah. But if you're concealed, no one knows,

(17:10):
No one knows, And and they are great people, low
abiding citizens out to enjoy their Second Amendment rights and
to purchase and use that firearm. However they will so.
But that's that's an interesting is that?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Isn't that interesting? Okay?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think we've got a minute and a half ish left.
Seattle police chief candidate. So remember he is currently the
police chief in Madison, Wisconsin, who was in the news
their news recently, and apparently he's looking for a new gig,
and he applied to be the police of chief, the

(17:48):
police the chief of police. We go there, we go
the brains just on just south today Christmas the chief
of police for the city of Seattle, another major metropolitan area,
and his name is Sean Barns. And so he was
interviewed in not in an interview like an employment interview,

(18:08):
but another interview on camera. He said, we have a
lot of things that are legal, but is it the
right thing to do? When he was talking about the
purchase of firearms. We have to rise above that, and
sometimes it requires an evolution of our thinking. What was
written in seventeen eighty nine. He's talking about the Second Amendment,
the Bill of Rights may not be appropriate for twenty

(18:30):
twenty two unless we're okay with kids being killed. So
he went there, he said the second Amendment is the
reason for kids being killed. He actually, what does he
think about the First Amendment or maybe the fourth Amendment?
And when we're talking about a chief of police, I
think it really matters.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, especially if this is an elected official.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But well, it wouldn't be an elected official. It would
be an appointed because.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Well the mayor points yeah, typically police chiefs. But in
this case, he is being elected.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No, no, he's uh, he's just he's just trying to
get appointed appointed.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, Well he's a candidate, so he's in a good
luck settle.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
You know. I think would fit right in in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Go to Portland, maybe there's an opening.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's interesting with Seattle and Washington in general is they
had concealed carry permits way way way before Utah ever did,
and a shall issue concealed cary permits, and they have
lost their way, just like the puppy that lost its
way in that Billy Madison show. Anyway, Yes, oh thank you. Hey,

(19:36):
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the gunsmith for you. We will be right back, So
stay tuned. And that was that was Bill, Thank you
for finding that excellent.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
That was funny, laugh, excellent coffee.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I really that was.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know, that's gonna have to be a tradition on
that one, you know it, it just is.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
In fact, I wanna, I gotta do it, I gotta,
I gotta, I gotta do that again.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
You've gone so wrong just to hear those label.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, but you find you.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Find the controls to Clark, this is what happens.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
You find the greatest things. You just you really do.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh hey, you know what before I go into this
other one where it is, Oh dang it, now I'm
gonna I'll have to do it on that because it's
on my phone anyway. All right, and Bill, you had
you had something, you had something important to point out.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
A story.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I got a story here. An armed man with a
glock was arrested outside the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
The Pentagon. The Pentagon nice and foggy.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You know, I've been to. It's in foggy bottom. That's
what they call the area outside the belt Way, outside
the belt Way in DC. Yeah, foggy bottom. I did
not no, no, I take that back. The Pentagon is different.
I'm thinking of c I a headquarters. Never mind, never mind,
never mind.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Okay. So he is found with a loaded firearm. Apparently
he was stopped for a trap infraction. He was holding
his phone while driving. So if he went off exactly
if you want to, you know, you want to get
arrested that you know how you do it. But here's
the thing. As as they pulled him over, they kind
of got a hint of Mara Amara Jane.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh, he was doing the marijuana.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
And so they tried to get him out of his vehicle.
He decides to put his vehicle into go go and
and kind of.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Took out some police office there trying to get him out,
and he puts it in drive and steps on it.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Ye, he steps on it and trying to speed away.
But they they were able to get him. They had
a couple of dragged him off. He dragged him off,
a couple of them. But he was planning to use
the firearm at the Pentagon parents what they say, Yeah,
the court documents say, oh no, sorry, take that back,

(22:52):
take that back, scratch that reversal. The court dogments said
they he didn't and they he wasn't going to use
the firearm.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Because he's on he's on the marijuana. He's all mellow.
He's all mellow.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
So here's the funny thing. As they're arresting him, because
his whole thing is funny. Yeah, he did hurt some
you know, police officers, and so as they were arresting him,
they found a glock switch in his underwear.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
What No, in his underwear?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, wait, just the switch, just the switch. It wasn't
on the firearm. They found the firearm. It was fully
loaded one round in a magazine. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay, a glock switch is about the size of your
thumbnail squared squared.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, and probably maybe half inch thick. Now half inch
stick is But it was just the switch, Yeah, just
his switch. They must have really been doing a vigorous
pat down, no doubt. And this gentleman's underwear to find
and who is who's the guy that's got to go
retrieve that?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Alright, where's the rookie?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's like dropping your car, your toilet, public restroom. You go, oh, man,
who's gonna go get my keys out of the toilet.
But anyway, he does have a criminal history. Did he
have a gun to go along with this?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Then?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, he had the glock.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh, he had the glock.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
He had the glock. Okay, And he also had fourteen
pounds of marijuana in his drunk at the Pentagon and
at the Pentagon.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And he was using his phone while driving. So this
guy was a complete scoff law.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah. So he did not get released on bail or anything.
Like that. He has got to go back to court
and hear his fate in front of a judge.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So what agency arrested him?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Then, I'm just well curious if one agent, because there's
a lot of intermingled agencies in that area, I should interview.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
It does not say I'm going to have to get
on the gal that contributed to this article because she
missed out on that, but she did not miss out
that it was a sixteen round magazine with one in
the chamber.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
This guy was ready to have a seventeen round gunfight.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah yeah, okay, so oh.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So also he probably got I think there's a magazine
restrict magazine limit restriction ban in that area too, probably.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Well here's the thing, Well, there's a firearm restriction in
that okay, in general, right, okay, okay, Yeah, and there,
of course there's a marijuana restriction. I think it's is there.
I think it's around twelve pounds or something. Oh he
went over that, yeah okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
but yeah, Nagby is uh going to what's his name,
what's his name? Call Khalil Khalil, Khalil Khalil Nagby? What

(25:38):
a L E E L n agb e. I'm not sure.
I know I pronounced the heck out of that.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
While we're in the Washington yeah, sus, all right, while
we're in the Washington, DC area, I got to tell
you about some good news here.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So it's called the Explorer Act.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
It was HR sixty four to ninety two, and it's
called the and it was, oh, I want to put
it was bipartisan. It was bipartisans, so there were partisans
on both sides and by there were bodies. And it's
called the Expanding Now follow along with me Expanding Public
Lands Outdoor Recreation Experiences Act, also known as the Explore Act.

(26:24):
You know, they added words to get to the word explore, right,
and that okay? Anyway, the legislation was. It was also
promoted by NSSF, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which if
you're not a member, boy, you've got to be, you know,
sign up for NSSF.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Go to NSSF dot org.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And it requires the BLM and the Forest Service, after
consulting with the local local law, local stakeholders, local people,
to build recreational shooting rangers in each BLM and National
Forest District areas. If the if there's not already shooting
rangers there. That's pretty huge. That's really that's actually huge.

(27:06):
So it's going to allow for more acts. These would
be public shooting ranges and for target practice site and rifles,
you know, so on and so forth, because the BLM,
quite honestly, has always been a kind of a roadblock
if you will to shootanes, you know, you know what.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I was just on the phone with Crystal Perry just
a few days ago.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
And she was talking about that, and in fact we
got to have her on. She's got a great idea
for a destination shooting range here in the area because
she she does the shooting and the and the horses
and the motorbiking and that all over the place. So
all the BLM type BLMY type stuff. Anyway, So and
so this is literally on Joe Biden's desk right now.

(27:51):
HR sixty four ninety two. So there for a while,
we got off into creditor.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, I got about a month.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
So it says we are incredibly grateful that Congress recognized.
So this is the president of ex excuse me, the
senior VP of NSSF, Larry Keane, who I interviewed at
Shot Show I think last year, says we're incredibly grateful
that Congress recognized the public safety and recreational benefits of
this legislation. It's a tremendous win for America's gun owners

(28:24):
and recreational target shooters and demonstrates what can be achieved
when Congress works together for common sense legislation that will
improve access to safe fire m anyway, So I think
that's fantastic. Do you realize though, so they're going to
be using some of the Pittman robertson excise tax money.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, good, because that's what it's for exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And so that is money that.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Is that ammunition firearm and ammunition makers have to pay
into this fund or it's an excise tax.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Excuse me, it's not a fund, but it's an excise tax.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you know since nineteen thirty seven, and it's generated
twenty seven point three eight billion dollars for that.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, well that's thanks to you and thanks to me,
and thank.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
You for buying all those guns. That's right.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
In fact, we leave as we leave, if you've got
a if you've got a question as to what you
to get your gun guy or gun gal uh glock,
as you covered because they make guns, they make glock knives,
and then they.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Make kind of an entrenching tool.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's like a shovel because you never know, Bill, when
you have to you could buy them all as a gift. Yeah,
when you might have to shoot something, cut something off something,
and dig a hole, bury something. All right, when we
come back on gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned just to
hear those labels.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I promise that the last time. I promise us the
last time.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Hey, Bill, So I just thought of this before you,
before you bring up your deal. Okay, gun story, yeah
is uh. Casey Jane has a friend in New York.
Her name's Lindsay Kriegel. How do you spell that? A
k r e g E l so Lindsay l I
n d s y s e y Kriegel.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
She made this really cool.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So Casey Jane has a whole bunch of I don't know,
I out nickelbacked concert shirts. I don't know, a bunch
of concert shirts, back Street Boys, yeah, Pack Street and
stuff like that, Blind White Teas or whatever that's called
her neighbor neck Door. I can't remember all the name,
but anyway, so and Maroon five probably Yeah. Anyway, So

(30:41):
she had a whole bunch of these things, and she
sent him to Lindsay in New York and she made
a really really nice quilt out of them.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I mean, it's it's pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So I'm thinking, I don't have concert tees, but I
got a whole bunch of gun teas.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, I know, she's wearing your husk of wearing that could.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Be like the and she'll design these things.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So get a hold of her on Facebook, Lindsay Kriegel
out of New York, and if you can't find it,
then you can contact us with a great idea. But
it's it really turned out fantastic.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Don't ever give up those T shirts I know worn out.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I know, even if your wife, even if your wife
washes them in hot and messes with them and then
shrinks them down. Now, all those gun teas that are
too small, you can relive again, and you can make
a nice little.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Wall hanging bill. You know.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
There was some talk I was talking on Facebook with
a buddy of mine, Jef McGrath, And Jeff is a
big drone operator, and so he's very protective of his drones.
By the way, he's very protective. He doesn't want people
he's U. He fears for the safety of his drones
when in America to shoot them down. And I'm thinking, it's, uh,

(31:52):
it's open season because if you have a drone license,
it's like having a deer license.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
You can.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think that's how it works, at least I thought that.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Anyway, so I so we postially and we said what's
the best thing to hunt drones with?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Apparently we were wrong. It's it's uh, it's another nine
millimeters story. Okay, so let's hear what what state is this?
So this is in Florida, So Florida. A man gets
arrested for shooting a drone down. But this isn't your
everyday drone.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
This was such a Chinese spoy drone.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, it's not this well, could be, okay, this is
one from Walmart. This was one of their delivery drones.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
The guy down the Walmart delivery drone. So that's like,
that's like skeet shooting with prizes.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, that's a good way looking at it. Yeah. So
Dennis win he's seventy two years old, apparently was caught
by winness is shooting a drone. I guess how old
was he? Seventy two years old.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
All right, you gotta figure it.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
He I'll give him props seventy two to take a
a pistol. I would imagine that drone was probably up
in the air pretty well. I mean, think about the
drones moving.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, it's on a mission.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's on a mission to be able to draw sight
lead shoot.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I give this guy props.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
So but anyway, what's his name? He was charged, let's
give him.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, Dennis Win out of Lake County, Florida, shooting an aircraft,
criminal mischief, one thousand dollars damage over one thousand, just
charging a public you know?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Was Dennis's quote? Totally was it? Did he say? It
was totally worth it? Totally worth it.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I know that the guys and his neighbors and friends
that are going, dang, that's pretty good. I don't know
how big this drone is. Maybe it was pretty sorry,
but apparently the police were responding to a bullet hole
in a load that the drone was carrying, so he
hit the package.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Go Dennis. I now staying on drones. AK seventy four,
not a forty seven. This is the AK seventy four,
which was actually developed in nineteen seventy four. It shoots
the five four five by thirty nine as opposed to
the seven to six two by thirty nine round. And
apparently the Russians have this like this website, and you know,

(34:21):
they're in a war with the Ukraine, okay, and there's
a lot of drones going around, so apparently, and I
don't know, I can't really determine if this is a
Ukrainian website or a Russian website, but it's a DIY thing,
and apparently all they have are AK seventy fours and
they're trying to shoot down drones. Well, shooting this little
two two three ish or five to five to six

(34:41):
ish round at the drones was proving too hard to do,
so they went to buckshot, but they don't have buck shots.
All they have is AK seventy fours. So apparently what
they're doing is yankin the projector the bullet off the
round and then using seven crossman four point five millimeters
or you know bebes essentially, uh, you know, bebes in

(35:06):
each and then shrink wrapping them with.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Electrical yeah, heat shrink, heat shrink.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Type thing too, and inserting that in where the bullet was,
and now they have an improvised AK seventy four bird shott.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I can't think there's gonna be a lot of bebes that.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Apparently it's better than what they had been doing, which
was there are many videos of Russians throwing rifles, helmets, sticks,
and other objects at oncoming drones before dying. And he
says even a poorly functioning improvised shotgun might seem like
a good idea.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I just can't. I mean that that war o there
is just so horrible. And it just apparently Koreans they're
getting the Yeah, Koreans are getting their butts kicked.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
And the the videos. I saw this video we're talking
about this before the show of an actual how they
train to avoid drones. It's actually pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, apparently Bonelli is getting into it. They make an
M four A one drone Guardian and Swedish uh think
Norma is making anti drone long effective range rounds called
Adler rounds for the shotguns to shoot down drones.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I hope we get a seam at shot show this year.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Hey, Hey Clark, Mary, Marry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Have a great one. Everyone will see you next week