Gun Radio Utah: Guns in Churches

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thing through the house. That's good, and I'll figure out
the thing for the Alexa and all that anyways pretty soon.
I am Clark Composition I chair the Utah Shooting Sports Council,
among other things.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I am your main.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Host for Gun Radio Utah. Bill Petterson is still on
an unexcused absence. He's a roving correspondent that doesn't call in.
I have it on fairly good authority him that he'll
be uh. He'll be here next week, but he's traveling.
He's doing stuff in foreign lands. Anyway, I don't think

(00:34):
he's uh. I don't think he's shooting anything. But anyway,
so we've got a hack of a show for you today.
I am going to tell you, well, so last week
I was in Montana and got back and I was there.
I was invited to go there as well. I'll tell
you about it, but that's at some part of the show.
I'll tell you about my experience in Montana and your PC.

(01:00):
You know, we broadcast last Saturday live from Gun Rights
Policy Conference and that's part of the Second Amendment Foundation,
and we'll tell you. You know, if you're a member
of saf Second Amendment Foundation, you can you can go
to saf dot org and become a member and that
type of thing. I'm not on their membership coordinating committee
or anything, but you will get a a special allowance,

(01:26):
not money allowance, a special ability. Let's say, if you're
a member of SAF we'll talk about that. We're also
going to talk about, well, you know, doctor Lot is
fantastic at doctor John Lott. It's fantastic at the data,
at the research, the very highly critiqued research that is

(01:51):
backed up with all the facts and all the figures.
And you know, as we remember Charlie Kirk and when
he was assassinated back last month, he was just about
to ask or answer a question on mass shootings.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And we're going to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
In that he had he had spoken about this before,
and he had actually utilized doctor Lott's research in basically
adding some insight, adding some clarity, uh to the anti
gunners the what is it the gun violence archive, Oh

(02:32):
my gosh, uh, adding some clarity to their figures that
are that are utilized to do nothing but insight. Right,
we're going to talk about the Supreme Court. You know,
the Supreme Court takes up it's it's new its new year.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Monday. So two days from today. On Monday, they start.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They go from what October first Monday in October to June.
I think anyway, there's some gun cases, which you know, honestly,
it's it's rather rare that they take a gun case,
and the ones they have taken are pretty big. So
we'll talk about a couple of them if we have time.

(03:15):
I want to talk about churches and guns. And in
light of the Michigan attack that happened. It'll be a
week ago Sunday, and I just happened to be standing
next to a guy that is kind of like my counterpart,

(03:37):
but only in Michigan, and we talked about we talked
about that. I actually got him on Tom Gresham's show
Sunday right after that, and I recommended you know that
Tom Tom talked to him. So anyway, we want to
talk about that. Hey, let's talk about this morning. You

(03:58):
know how it hasn't rained in basically forever, it hasn't
rained really of anything. And so this morning I woke up,
I knew it was going to happen. I had read
the forecast and listened to it that it was going
to rain, and it really did. Lots of thunder and
lightning because I'm in I'm actually in Salt Lake this week,

(04:20):
and I knew that I had planned a big shoot,
a big requalification shoot for armored truck drivers this morning.
So I woke up and it's pouring rain, and I figured, well,
we're gonna be wet, and sure enough, I am literally
still because I didn't bring a change of clothes, soaked
to the bone. I mean soaked so much that I

(04:43):
was standing inside and I'm dripping, all right, So I'm
going to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think about.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Eighteen hundred rounds starting at nine o'clock this morning. We
did that in about two hours. And so if you
had if your equipment is going to fail, especially if
it takes batteries or recharging or something like that, you'll
find out on a day like this if you have

(05:15):
decent equipment. So, in fact, I can tell you right
now my I have a what did I carry today?
I carried a spring Field hell ca What was it now?
I can't even remember.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think it was a hell cat. Anyway, it was
a hell cat.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And I had a I have a swamp fox red
dot which is actually green, and so I'm carrying the
holster and outside the waistband holster came a duty holster,
and it rained so much that I looked down at
it it and the you know the kind of the

(05:50):
optic forms a cup by the glass, it literally had
filled up and was just sloshing over and I had
pulled it out. It works perfectly fine, not one bit
And it was out there for two hours in the
rain and literally holding water. Whereas other optics, lasers, you
know that kind of stuff, you know, sometimes just kind

(06:13):
of stop working and their electronics may be fine, except
for their battery compartment isn't appropriately sealed and it gets
water in there. Also, there were some folks that were
having problems with holding onto their gun during recoil. In
a normal dry day, it'd be fine, but they're realizing

(06:36):
that when their grips get wet, they can't hold onto
it very good.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's slipping around.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So today was today was a good day to find
out to kind of test to see what is what
is happening with that? All right, let's see what else
we've got. We want to talk about the Supreme Court,
and I'm just trying to see, oh, you know, before
this show comes on, there's that investment show there's always
an investment show some kind, and so I was thinking,

(07:05):
you know, best to invest in lead, copper, brass and steel.
And if you go to Flash My Brass, go to
flash my Brass dot com. And they have today if
you get over there by five o'clock. So hustle on
over there. Listen to gun Radio Utah in the car.

(07:26):
But anyways, if you hustle over there, today is the
last day of their Big Fall Sale, the Big Fall Sale,
and I was just literally looking it up on here
and it's at both locations. It's in Orum on sand
Hill Road and in Draper on one hundred and twenty

(07:47):
third South. So go to flash my Brass dot com.
But they, I mean some of the deals. I'll tell
you nine millimeter Fiochi four hundred rounds for ninety nine dollars,
one thousand round case of nine mil Fiochi two hundred
and twenty nine dollars. So it's uh, I mean fantastic.

(08:10):
And that's that's nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I mean nothing.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So they have two two three, They've got forty cow
forty five twenty two long rifle, three oh eight, three
hundred blackout shotgun shells, weird stuff. Get over to flash
my brass and buy that because today is the last
day of their big fall. Well, I don't know it's
the because it's it's just the beginning of fall. So
what do think it's the last day of our fall?

(08:33):
Flash sale, I'll flash my brass anyway, all right, tell
you what, when we come back, we're going to talk
about all the things that I said we were going
to talk about, and uh and maybe more we'll see.
All right, stay tuned, we'll be right back. We're at
gun Ray of Utah's is huge now, It's just it's enough.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's it's worldwide because of iHeart and.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Anyway, I uh so I was, like I said, I
was in Montana. Did you know that there are half
of the nations, or at least in the Lower forty
eight half of the nation's grizzly bears reside in the
state of Montana, two thousand of them. So I guess
that means there's four thousand grizzly bears in the United

(09:14):
States and Lower forty eight, not counting not counting Alaska.
So anyway, I didn't see any when I was there,
but I did go on a hike and I went
fly fishing and I hiked. I didn't catch any I'm
not a flyfisher person, so anyway, well might as well

(09:34):
since I'm talking about that. So I was invited to
come up to this and I can't remember the name
of the group, but it was hosted by the Arthur
Blank Foundation. He's the owner of the He's like a billionaire,
multi billionaire that owns, among other things, the Atlanta Falcons

(09:55):
and he used to own home depot. Anyway, he hosts
a lot of shall we say, progressive groups to come up,
and I was invited by one of these groups who
has members nationwide, and I mean they had people there
from the San Francisco Bay area, New York City, Washington,

(10:16):
d C, Baltimore, Minnesota. And the topic was suicide. And
what I found is that they these groups do not
have a monopoly on well one, they don't have a
monopoly on the grief associated with suicide, nor do they

(10:41):
have a monopoly on measures or people that are working
on this. So I was talking about utah's efforts, Utah
Shooting Sports Council's efforts to talk about very specifically firearms
suicide and where we talked about access and this.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Their main thing was a lot of gun violence, is
the more guns equals more suicide. Well to some degree,
well I guess more guns equal more firearm suicides. But
to some degree that's accurate, but it's not taking in
all the data.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So what.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Their main fallback is is red flag laws, which we
call without due process gun confiscation laws. Can you have
the same thing without government involvement? Of course you can,
of course you can. It's just like when somebody's drunk
at a party and they're going to go drive. Do
you need to call the police? Do you need to

(11:47):
call the government to have them restricted from drug No?
You just take their car keys, okay when they're in crisis,
and then they get them back and you don't have
to alert the media. You don't talk to the police.
It's just between you and them. And if your friends, family,
co workers, neighbors are in a crisis, well, for goingness sakes,
help them out, maybe sit their guns for a little bit,

(12:09):
and then hope that they would do the same for you,
because hey, it affects us.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
It affects us.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
If we're human, it's likely affecting you or has affected you,
or might. But so I found that out a lot
of good I mean, they're good people, but they need
to be exposed to other solutions, other ideas. Because we
have brought our suicide write down in Utah from I

(12:34):
think we were number five to I think we're in
the tens now something like we're tenth or eleventh. And
it's an interesting thing. I don't really get into what
causes suicide, what that ideation is. I know that in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Nevada,

(12:58):
there's these states that have a lot of suicide as
opposed to others. It really as we as we know
from looking at even you know, other statistics like crime.
It isn't about the guns. It isn't actually it isn't
even about the gun laws permissive or restrictive. It's more

(13:19):
a culture thing, honestly. But if you have somebody that's
in crisis, hey go talk to them, say hey, why
don't I hold your gun for you know, a few
days or something like that. Also, you might want to
do the same with medications, because medications are obviously a
factor involving suicides. All right, so what do we got.

(13:42):
We've got, Oh, the Supreme Court, Like I said, Supreme
Court starts on Monday, and guess what they're going to
take up. This is something that has irritated me so much. Okay,
between Heller and bruin the Supreme Court cases that absolutely
positively said one, the right to keep and to bear

(14:04):
arms is an individual right, not a state's right. It's
not a right that is satisfied by the militia or
anything like that. It is an individual you yourself right.
And to keep means to have to bear, means to carry,
and not just in your home. Oh, for goodness sake,

(14:25):
So you're gonna carry your gun around in your home? Yes,
I sometimes do that, yes, often, But to carry out
and about in public. Now, when we think of public,
we're thinking of sidewalks and parks and stuff like that. Well,
other places that are private are also open to the

(14:46):
public or places of public accommodation. And as such, are
they really open to the public if they ban guns? Now,
think about that. You're saying, yes, the public can come in.
In fact, you walk up to doors like at a
grocery store, and they open for you, They invite you in,

(15:06):
they give you a little cart to push around and
gather your things. The public. Yet, in some states, if
they put a sign up. They can restrict which public
walks in and which doesn't like a gun signed lack Now, Hawaii,
New York, New Jersey. There's many states that restrict the public,

(15:29):
the public who carry guns from coming into those properties,
including private properties like stores and public properties.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Like a park, a beach, a subway for instance.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Who would think, why would you ever need to carry
a firearm or anything of self defense on a subway,
well as somebody who rides a subway a lot anyway,
So the Supreme Court has said that it will now
take up a case that was based out of Hawaii
that restricts. Hawaii passed some new statutes not that long

(16:13):
ago in reaction to the Bruin decision, which basically restored
I'm not going to say expanded gun rights, it restored
existing gun rights, and it said that, Okay, yes, we
have to give out a concealed carry permit. Now Hawaii
said that grudgingly because they are getting a permit. In
Hawaii was was probably worse than New York City.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
They restricted places, they didn't even call them sensitive places,
just places where people could carry, including all private places
unless the proprietor of that establishment affirmatively and firstly said yes,

(16:58):
you may carry here, but without that, the default was
you couldn't. So that was enacted in twenty twenty three,
oddly enough, just after Bruin, and it also included sensitive
places like beaches and parks and bars.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
So the measure was challenged by three gun owners who
lived in Hawaii and the Firearms Coalition. It's a gun
rights group there, all right. So they're in the Ninth Circuit.
That's the same circuit as California, in that we're in
tenth Circuit here in Utah. So the Ninth Circuit Court
of Appeals ruled in the state's favor earlier. And so anyway,

(17:41):
this one's going to the Supreme Court because it went
back and forth. I think it was the Ninth in
the fifth Circuit that ruled differently on this. So this
is you know for the first time that this is
going to be challenged in the Supreme Court. And so
I'm interested to see if it's going to cover the

(18:03):
strict things like the private property, or if the court
is going to hear testimony on the sensitive places, because
that's huge. Basically, you're carrying a gun as a member
of the public. You're otherwise lawfully allowed to do that,
and you're not allowed to take that gun into some places.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Where do you put that gun? By the way, when.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
You can't go, say, you can't go on a subway
with a gun, where do you put that You don't
put it in your car because you don't have a car,
because you're using the subway. Anyway, it'll be very interesting
to find this out. I can't wait to hear the
oral arguments on this, and I want to hear the
opposition to this. I want to hear what they're going
to bring up anyway. All right, so we've got that. Oh,

(18:52):
here's another big one. Do I have time? I think
I'm going to make a little bit of time. If
you're a member of saf Second Amendment Foundation or a
member of the Firearms Policy Coalition FPC, you now double
check this for me, you know, because I don't want
to be I don't want you to be calling me
from jail saying that you need bail money. But the

(19:17):
United States Postal Service policy banning people from bringing firearms
into post office violates the Constitution, a federal judge in
Texas ruled Tuesday, Okay, Now it's always been back and forth,
but the post Office has barred patrons from bringing guns

(19:40):
under the property. I've heard back and forth different lower
court rulings that said, Okay, you can't bring it into
the post office, but you could have it in your
car in the parking lot. Some said no, you have
to park on the street and leave the gun in
the car. Anyway, right now, so let's see it was
the case was brought by the Firearms Policy Coalition and

(20:01):
the Second Amendment Foundation. Remember the Second Amendment Foundation SAF
is the one who puts on the Gun Rights Policy Conference,
among many other things. And Judge O'Connor said the ban
cannot be applied to them or the organization's members anymore.
So this is really interesting. This is really interesting. Check
that out. I don't have enough time to go into

(20:22):
the whole thing. But FPC President brand and Comb said,
have we said all along? Governments cannot ban weapons in
unsecured public spaces full stop? For too long, peaceable people
have been threatened with prosecution simply for carrying weapons for

(20:43):
self defense while mailing a package or buying stamps. That
ends here. So anyways, when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
we've got lots more to cover, so you stay right there.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
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Speaker 1 (20:54):
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And you know we are huge Second Amendment advocates. We

(21:17):
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(21:40):
legislative session for twenty twenty six is right around the corner.
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(22:01):
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Speaker 2 (22:12):
Do rely on you to do that.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
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Speaker 2 (23:43):
All right, So we've got that. We've got that. We
did all that.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Hey, okay, so you know, doctor John Lott is a
friend of gun Radio UTAHN. We are a friend of
the Crime Prevention Research Institute. Go to Crime Research. Hey,
why you're there looking at some of these things. In fact,
you can find this article I'm gonna talk about right now.
There you hit the donate Putton donate to this extremely

(24:11):
worthy group and I all right. So Charlie Kirk, moments
before he was assassinated, he was about to answer a question,
and the question was, do you know how many mass
shooters there have been in America over the last ten years.

(24:34):
That was a question posed to mister Kirk, and he
started out to answer it saying counting or not counting
gang violence. This information that Charlie was just about to
share was probably directly right from doctor Lott's research, all right.

(24:56):
And the reason it's important and the reason this person
was probably asking the question was because he's probably looked
at the gun violence archive. These this is this, it's
an anti gun group masquerading as legitimate journalism or research.

(25:18):
So to give you an idea of how far they
skew their numbers, claim that the US suffers six hundred
mass shootings a year, six hundred mass shootings a year,
so that would be just about two per day mass shootings.

(25:40):
Do we have that, No, we actually don't. And let's
look at the uh, let's look at the record. Because
when we talk about shootings, and I'll say why this
is important, I mean, any of them, even one is bad.
But why would they be lying to you or misreporting
this anyway? There's school shootings, we know about them. There's

(26:02):
church shootings. There's gang rival gangs shooting at each other,
there's robberies, terrorism which sometimes also happens in a church.
Should we heard, and then there's suicides, there's accental, accidental
disc are, negligent discharges if you will, and legal intervention.

(26:23):
All right, so you know, I mean, we've got you know,
things like Uvaldi and Lewiston, Maine, Monterey Park, you know
where they had, you know, twenty one people in Uvalde,
eighteen murdered in Lewiston, Maine. And I'm reading from the
sites in doctor Lott's article Monterey Park, California, eleven murdered.

(26:48):
Those those really do hit the headlines pretty heavy. And
they cite the Gun Violence Archives wants you to think
that there are six hundreds such events every year. But
when you look at mass public shootings, shootings in you know,

(27:08):
a public place that are not tied to gang fights,
that are not tied to other crimes like robberies, okay,
where four or more people are murdered. Hence mass the
numbers looked very, very different. Since nineteen ninety eight, the

(27:32):
US has seen between one and eight of those incidences
per year, not six hundred, but between one and eight.
And why are we taking out gang fights and robberies
Because the way you fix gang fights and robberies are
different from the way you fix mass public shootings anyway,

(27:58):
so now uses a somewhat broader definition of active shootings.
So if you look at their metric, it covers all
public shootings not linked to gangs or other crimes, but
it includes cases where a gunman shoots at and misses
even a single person. Okay, Using that metric that the

(28:20):
FBI does, instead of six hundred mass shootings, they get
between So from the years twenty fourteen to twenty twenty four,
they get between twenty and sixty one incidents annually. That's
a huge difference from the Gun Violence Archive, which basically

(28:40):
for the same period of time had four thousand, six
hundred and thirty seven. The FBI said three hundred and
seventy four, when in actuality, if you look at mass
public shootings, four more people are murdered, not gang fights
or robberies, we're fifty four. So that's one point one

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percent of the Gun Violence Archive. Why would they say that,
Why would they boost their numbers such to do that?
Because they figure that's the thing that's going to make
the headlines and that they want people to be that
afraid and ban guns.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's just the facts.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
But when you actually look at the facts, and so
take a look at that crimeresearch dot org. He has
all the data. And the great thing about doctor lot
is he backs up his data. He backs it up.
You can go and look and see where he actually
got all that data from. All right, we've got a
few more things to cover in the last fast quarter

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and we'll be right back on Gun Radio Utahs day.
Right there, Danny, what does your shirt say? Rage is connecting,
rage is consuming me? And it has a picture has
a picture of a very benign, nice looking cat on
the front. I like that, Denny, that's very nice. Denny
is our fantastic producer and rolls his eyes sometimes. I

(30:10):
think it's some of our stuff. No, anyway, Hey, let's
talk about churches. Yeah, we're going to go there. And yes,
I have been in communication with some legislators regarding Utah's
gun law on churches. We have a very specific statute
on carrying guns into a place of worship. So let's

(30:34):
go over some of the places that have restrictions on guns.
We've got your state places, your prisons, jails, courthouses, mental institution,
homeless shelters, so on and so forth, airports and that,
law enforcement facilities and so they have to have metal detectors.
They have to have you know, they have to make
a secured area and that type of thing, among other things. Anyway,

(30:54):
and then you've got your federal areas. Basically, any federal
building can ban guns, and they usually do. They don't
have to have metal detectors, they do. They are supposed
to have a sign up, which is interesting. In the
Federal Code, it requires that a post office to take
advantage of the federal ban on guns in a post

(31:15):
office has to have a sign posted. And I long
time ago I did kind of a survey of a
bunch of post offices in the Salt Lake area and
found one post office that had it posted, but it
was way in the back, you know, where they used
to put the wanted posters. That was you know, like
the FBI's top pen they put it, and it was
a little tiny little print, and it was there anyway. Then,

(31:39):
so you've got your state, your federal, and then your private.
And let me stress this. If it's private, they can
make whatever rules they want, but their rules in two exceptions,
don't have the weight of law. So if they post
a sign on the outside of their establishment, no guns allowed,

(32:00):
and you walk in there with a gun. Let's say
it's discreetly maintained. Are you committing a crime? No, you're not.
Are you breaking their rules?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
You are about the same kind of rule breaking that
you ever go to a movie theater and it says
no outside food or beverages and you sneak in your
own box of licorice.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
You're breaking the same basic rule. Did you commit a crime? No?
Could they tell you to leave because you have your
own red vines?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, they could, And you have to leave if they
tell you to because it's private property. Now, there are
two private properties in Utah that if they post a
sign or otherwise notify you according to the statute that
that sign has and it restricts guns, that sign has

(32:53):
the weight of law. That is a place of worship
or a home, and a home could be you know,
your apartment, your house, your trailer, whatever, those two places.
As long as they post a sign reasonably likely to
come to your attention, you have to obey that sign
as far as bringing guns in. And it doesn't count
on the outside of the property, but the inside that

(33:13):
thresh will be on the threshold, So yeah, it does that,
And that's the way it is in Utah. Now, I
was literally there and part of that. There's a story
behind that, a big story, and it has to do
with a referendum that was going around or trying to
get on the ballot called safe to Learn, Safe to Worship,

(33:37):
and the anti gunners didn't want guns in schools, you know,
wanted to basically make it a protection free zone.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Figured, well, we'll get.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
The church involved in this, the big church in Utah,
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and
if they get on board with it, then we get
to come along on those coattails with the schools. Anyway,
So what we ended up with was the statute that
I just told you now, so that requires a church
to take advantage affirmatively. So churches by default are not

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off limits to guns unless they affirmatively take that step
to post a sign. Now, yeah, we're looking at some
modifications to that in light of this, and the Church
of Jesus Christs of Larridae Sayings among some others have
taken advantage and said yeah, and they so they posted
a notice on either the website or a notice in

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a newspaper and also notified BCI and they have to
do that every year at the end of February. I
think it is about that interesting. In Michigan, all churches
are all guns. Guns are banned in all churches unless
that church affirmatively says you can carry here, or an

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individual within that church has given permission. That's kind of
a different way around it. So what do you think
about that? Is it a soft target? Of course? First off,
it's a target, regardless of softer heart or whatever. Churches
are a target, and whether it be a Jewish church,

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a Muslim church, a Christian church, whatever, they are targets
because boy, religion really affects people.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Now, is it?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
A lot of churches have armed guards and maybe make
some of their parishioners literally guards, carrying guns and training
and all that. Uh, so they are not soft target.
They're targets, but they're not soft targets anymore. Why is
it do you suppose that people go to churches that
don't have guards if they hate those churches and want

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to kill people in them, why would they pick a
church that doesn't have a guard. Well that's pretty obvious.
So yes, if you violate that law in Utah, and
it is a law, and you would be violating it.
If you brought a gun in without permission, it is
an infraction.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
It's like a parking ticket.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I am not saying that so that you can feel
better about breaking the law. I'm not suggesting that in
any way. I'm just telling you that's the level of
it right now, and that was agreed to by all sides. Hey,
we are about out of time. I'm looking at the clock.
It's been wonderful. We will be back here. I think
Bill Petterson will be with me next week finally. So

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be careful out there. Hey, if you go shooting, clean
up after yourself, and then we'll all see you next week.