Gun Radio Utah: July 4th, Big Beautiful Bill

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And fantastic show in store for you. I am your host, Clerkapostion,
I chair the Utah Shooting Sports Council. My co host,
Bill Petterson, who's a director at USSC Utah Shooting Sports Council,
is away on an unexcused absence.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'll just say it like that.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
He's, uh, I think he's riding his motorcycle shooting at
things somewhere. So that's that's Hey, that's America. That's America
right there. Anyways, we have a lot of stuff to cover,
and because I've been I've been doing show prep. So
if you go on my Facebook page, uh Clark Epotion
somewhere if I think, I'm literally the only clerk Opotion

(00:40):
on Facebook. So anyways, you'll find it and you can
see what the control room kind of looks like with
all the show prep. But we're gonna go We're gonna
talk about Rhode Island and they're they're their struggle, their
desire to be to remain relevant even though there's such
a tiny little state. I mean, like the town of

(01:00):
Magna could probably kick the crap out of Rhode Island
in a war. We'll gonna definitely talk about the BBB
the big beautiful bill, and did we did we get anything?
Did gun owners get anything out of it? The shorter
answer is yes, a longer answer is not really maybe.

(01:22):
So we're definitely gonna talk about that. We're going to
talk about the Trump administration and what they're doing to
the ATF.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is it a good thing? Is it? Is it? Not
so much? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Uh California, Uh, yeah, you know. I bring these things
up with California sometimes to show the contrast between we
may complain about some of the things here in Utah
and and many of us on the on the right
and the left do complain. But I gotta tell you,

(01:55):
just be glad you're not living in California.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Still. Just just be glad of that, because we're going.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
To show what Assembly bill I think it's HB one
three three three does to your right to defend yourselves
in certain areas. Little teaser here, it guts it. It
basically guts it all. Right, What else have we got? Oh,
we definitely gonna talk about gRPC. The Gun Rights Policy

(02:22):
Conference coming to Utah to Salt Lake City the end
of September. So we're going to We're going to talk
about that. Ways to poke the bear. I did this yesterday.
I did this yesterday. Ways to poke the bear when
you're at a family party and you know a lot

(02:44):
of our family parties say sometimes they're predominantly conservative, uh,
maybe libertarian leaning, and sometimes there's a mix of libertarian
and socialist, maybe democrat, liberal, I don't whatever you wanna call.
And so little ways, because I'm sure that not just

(03:04):
last night was a chance for your family to get together,
but maybe they're doing it this weekend in a in
a bigger way and having barbecues and dinners and stuff
like that. I'll give you, I'll give you a little thought.
And short brailed rifles, short biled shotguns. We're definitely gonna
be talking about that in a bigger sense than just
what the big beautiful bill that was signed yesterday. Yeah,

(03:27):
it was yesterday signed by President Trump and uh, and
we've got some questions about when it goes into effect
then what it actually does and what it and definitely
what it doesn't do. All right, We're are my notes here. Yeah,
we're gonna definitely gonna talk about that. Okay, So you
want to you want to poke the bear? You know

(03:47):
what I mean by poking the bear very dangerous if
you poke it and then you run away. So inquire
maybe while you're sitting there having a nice conversation about
something not political at all, kind of bring in, you know,
and it could be your Democrat or Liberal, which is

(04:09):
essentially the same thing nowadays. Honestly, it's it's really what
their thoughts about the Big Beautiful Bill were. And I
would imagine they're gonna they're gonna start talking about Medicaid
and the severe cuts and that type of thing that
supposedly did that. And I didn't get into that, but
you could say, hey, you know, I didn't get everything

(04:31):
I wanted. I didn't get everything I wanted with the
Big Beautiful Bill. But at least they removed, you know,
President Trump and the House and Senate removed the two
hundred dollars tax when purchasing most in most of the
NFA items short brel shotguns, suppressors, shortbeld rifles and that.

(04:53):
And to make up for this huge deficit that it's
going to leave in the budget.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know that that two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
They needed to cut Medicaid and then and say, but
it was a worthwhile it was a worthwhile thing. That
they did and then just walk away and grab some
chips and dip and kind of let that just fume there,
see what happens, and you know what, let me know,
you know, message me on Facebook, tell me how it went.
So anyway, we're gonna talk about that. Hold on, I've

(05:24):
got a where did I put it? Let's see if
I can find it. Oh, here it is right here.
I gotta hit the right button doing all these things.
All right, let's see, here we go. Bill Pullman in
Independence Day well.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Declared in one voice, we will not go quietly into
the night. We will not vanish without a fight.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
We're going to live on. We're going to survive. Today
we celebrate our Independence Day.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So that was just a little clip from the Independent
Stay from back in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And you know an interesting little fact about that.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
When Bill Pullman was standing there in the technically Utah
Nevada desert right there at Wendover at the old Air
Force base there standing in the back of a humvee
with his microphone in front of the group, great, big,
huge group of people. I was standing right next to him,

(06:25):
and you can actually see me if you look carefully,
you can see me all throughout that movie. But I
just thought it was appropriate to play that. But yeah,
I was an extra in that an uncredited.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Extra in that movie. So all right, what do we got.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Let's talk about Gun Rights Policy Conference twenty twenty five.
Gun Rights Policy Conference. It's September twenty sixth to the
twenty eighth, and there's various things, but it's where gun
If you've ever said you want to get involved but
you don't know how to do it, you want to
get involve all but you want the resources, you want

(07:02):
some data, you want some some connections to people all
across the nation and actually the world, and many times
come to the Gun Rights Policy Conference. It's the fortieth
annual one, and they usually hold all across the nation.
I've been to them as for East coast, West coast,
you know, everywhere. They held them in San Francisco before

(07:25):
I went to that one. But this one is fortieth
annual one. It's September twenty sixth to the twenty eight
it's free, it's absolutely free. You don't have to be
a member of the industry, you don't have to do
anything like that. It's going to be at the Salt
Lake Marriott Downtown at City Creek and everything in it.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
In addition to that is free.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
There will be gun rights advocates that have written books
that will be giving their books away free. The luncheons
are free, the receptions are free. I think if you buy,
you know, some adult beverages, they have to pay for those.
But that's about it. It's fantastic. There's going to be

(08:05):
a a pre conference September twenty six from nine am
to five pm where journalists and social media and annual
podcasters and influencers are going to have a little minia
conference and you can register for that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Again, it's free.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
The main event kicks off with an evening registration or
evening reception, and then you can register or pick up
your credentials and that kind of stuff. And then Saturday
at eight am it starts bright and early with the
main conference. It's these are not boring speakers. These are fantastic.
They get you involved in that kind of stuff. Then

(08:45):
there's a reception later that night, and then on Sunday
the conference continues in a ghost till noon. So if
you're within the sound of my voice anywhere and you
don't live in you book your hotel room now.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
They have special rates.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Go on on SAF stands for Second Amendment Foundation, saf
dot org slash gRPC Gun Rights Policy Conference, or just
go to SAF dot org and up on the top
you can see a gRPC thing at link and click
on it and register for this. It's the only kind
of registration I would recommend at this point. Okay, we

(09:22):
are at a time in this segment. When we come back,
we've got lots more to talk about, including what is
going on in California.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Stay tuned, it'll be right back better I hear myself.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Thank you, Denny, Denny, appreciate you being here on this
Independence Day weekend working it so thank you. All right,
California it always a source for some.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Face palming, so to speak. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
In the California legislature twenty twenty five twenty twenty six,
regular Session Assembly Member Zeburr is an interesting for I
can't remember his first day anyways, introduce some legislation Assembly
Bill number one three three three. Essentially, it says, in
their short title, it's under crimes slash homicide, and he

(10:14):
starts out it says existing law defines homicide as the
unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus interesting
in Califoria with a without malice of forethought as specified. Okay,
existing law establishes certain circumstances in which homicide is justifiable
as specified. Okay, so we know that basically self defense.

(10:37):
This bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including,
among other things, in defense of a habitation or property.
And one thing that I actually had to give California
for give credit for up to this point.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Bill hasn't passed yet, But up to this.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Point they had some pretty halfway decent force in defensive
habitation statutes. But so, and I'm gonna ask him if
just thinking generally, what type of property, what type of
places should be afforded the greatest right of privacy, of

(11:29):
protection that is untouchable that you would need a warrant
to go into, that shouldn't be searched. You know that
it is so sacricanct so important that the greatest expectation
of privacy. Would it be a business, Would it be
a church?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah? Or what about your home the place where you live?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, I mean think about it when we're kids and
we're playing capture the flag.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
If you make it back home. You're safe.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And so many I mean even baseball, for goodness sakes,
where do you run to You run to home because
if you get it, you get to home before you're
going you're safe.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's your home.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, these are these these things invoke certain imagery.
And now what they're saying, I mean, think about in
your home. You keep your most precious things, your important items,
not to mention, you and your family reside there. You
go in there, you close the door you're away from

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and you're protected physically and legally from outside influences. Outside,
you know, people that mean to do your home anyway.
And and in Utah we actually write our statute like that,

(12:58):
our Force in Defense of Habitation Statute. It basically says
if somebody is not I like to say, if they
show up to your house and are trying to get
in and they don't have a pizza or a warrant,
they are presumed to be there to harm you. Literally
written right in so anyway, what this does is it

(13:19):
says homicide is in California. This is rewriting Section one
ninety seven other Penal Code. It says homicide is also
justifiable when committed by any person in all of the
following cases, and then it rewrites what it used to

(13:40):
have was committed in defensive habitation, property or person.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
They take that out.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
They take that out, and it says when they took
out when resisting any attempt to murder. So, if you're
defending yourself against somebody that's attempting to murder you or
commit a felony against you, they took that out, that's
no longer justifiable when committed in the lawful defense of

(14:08):
such person or of a spouse. This is interesting look
at some of the language they use in this in California. Says,
when committed in the lawful defense of such person or
of a spouse, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of
such person, when there's reasonable ground to apprehend. And then
it takes out to commit a felony or do some

(14:30):
great bodily injury. They're they're, they're they're gutting it, okay.
It also takes away that they almost had a sense
of a stand your ground kind of a thing. And
stand your ground when we talk about stand your ground laws,

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we're mostly talking about out in the street, out in public,
out in the areas where you're allowed to be that
everyone else is allowed to be and you don't have
to warn and retreat.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
In your home. Now they're taking that away too. It
was always just a.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Given that while you're in your home, you don't have
to warn, you don't have to retreat prior to the
use of force. Now it says you have to exhaust
every reasonable means to escape whatever the danger is in
your own home. So who decides what's reasonable? Well people

(15:29):
in California, I guess, all right. So you know they
used to have protections for using force to stop these crimes.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's not gonna happen anymore anyway.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
So Assemblyman California Assemblyman Rick Chavez, ziburr.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's zb you are ziburburr? Is the z silent? Anyway?
You know?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I would I would generally I would think there's no
way there, in no way, this whack a doodle is
going to be able to get this passed.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
But this is California.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Let me let me play a clip from Representative McGovern
he's a US House rep talking about his understanding of
you know what, Maybe I'll play that one in just
a sec. But anyway, this is the kind of stuff
that I wouldn't doubt I absolutely wouldn't doubt that there

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are some members of the Utah House and Utah Senate
that will write up such a bill and profer it
and get it, get it written up in ledgs research
and try to get it a hearing in the House
and the Senate and on the floor and get it passed.
I wouldn't doubt that they have that, that they have

(16:51):
that plan. So let me tell you. Let's see. Okay,
So in Utah, if you want to look up, are
uu of force seventy six dash two dash four or five.
This is force in defensive habitation. However, back about it
wasn't last session, it was the session before last. So
the twenty eight twenty fourth session we amended it because

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it used to be force or deadly force in defensive habitation.
Now its habitation comm a vehicle or place of business
or employment, okay. And it essentially creates, especially in the
act of a in the event of a habitation, somebody

(17:35):
that's entering or has entered in a violent tumultu any
way other than being invited in essentially and they're not
supposed to be there. It creates a presumption, for both
civil and criminal cases that you acted reasonably if you
used force, including force likely to killer seriously injurance against

(17:56):
those people. And again remember we're talking especially in the
case of habitation. This is your sanctuary, so to speak,
and it should be like that anyway. So we have
that if you want to look it up, seventy six
dash two dash four five in the Utah code and
you can look those up pretty easily if you just
go to your Google type in seventy six dash two

(18:18):
dash four oh five and then just throw in Utah
at the end of it. It'll come up with that
exact code right from the Utah dou gov website. All Right,
I'm gonna play this real quick here and before we
go into next segment after the break. But this is
when we're talking about silencers. This is a representative McGovern

(18:39):
in a public comment period talking about why the suppressor
and short breled rifle and short borld shotgun additions to
the Big Beautiful Bill should not pass.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let me get that turned on there, Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Combining a silencer and a concealable short barreled rifle with
easy to assemble and totally legal pride what allow people
to convert them into untraceable unregistered machine guns.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Did you hear what he said here?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
With easy to assemble and totally legal parts, what allow
people to convert them into untraceable, unregistered machine guns?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, he did say that putting a suppressor and combining
a suppressor with a short borild rifle or short world
shotgun would turn it into a machine gun.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Now this guy needs help, he really, he just needs
some help.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Why didn't any of his staffers somebody step in and.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Alleviate some of that.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Anyways, when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, We've
got lots more to talk about it, including the big
beautiful Bill and suppressors. I'm sure he pulls over and
gets off his bike and is off the road when
he does that. You know, as far as I know
what do I who knows what Bill does? And so
Bill is a member a director of Utah Shooting Sports Council,
along with many of our other fine directors and board members.

(19:57):
If you want to be a member Utah Shooting Sports Council,
or at least sign up and get our alerts, go
to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org at Utah Shooting
Sportscouncil dot org. Sign up and we'd also like you
to please send an email and say you want to
volunteer for that gun rights policy conference for and you
don't have to do the whole, you know, all three.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Days or whatever, but we could use some help.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
We could use some volunteers in that, and we really
want to We really want to shine, you know, we
want you Utah to shine because they come, they go
all over the nation, and we want them to remember
Utah for our fantastic volunteers and gun rights activism and
that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So go to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org. Email us,
tell us.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
What day you'll be available or days you'll be available
to volunteer. Help us out. Hey, is your gun not
everything that it should be? Do you want to re
blued Sarah coated, engraved? Do you want the stock fixed?
You want a barrel threaded for a for a suppressor,

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or maybe a flash hider so you can hide your flashes,
that kind of thing. Well, get your gun over to
the gunsmith at Sportsmen's Warehouse. You can take it down
to him at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in
Salt Lake City. Give them a call at eight oh
one three zero four eighty seventy go in their website.

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It's Sportsman's dot com slash gunsmith.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I think that's what it is. Yeah, Sportsman's.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
If you go to Sportsman's Warehouse, but it's or you
can go to just gunsmith dot Sportsman's dot com, or
you can.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Just google it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
You can just you know, nowadays you can just google
the stuff and they can take care of everything. They
have license and ensure gunsmith's right there. They work on
all your kind of guns. And if you if you
can't get your gun down to the actual gunsmith in
Salt Lake, you can take it to any of the
over one hundred and forty six Sportsman's Warehouse locations and

(22:02):
they can get it to you. Hey, talking about guns,
we need to feed them. And the best place to
get your ammo the best and most consistent place to
get some if you want just a box of ammo,
or if you want cases a palette of AMMO at
the best, best prices. I've told you this again and again.

(22:24):
We are experiencing an unusually good supply of ammunition at
fantastic prices. If you're waiting for the prices to go
down further, you're you know, you're running a very tenuous
line there.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I doubt it. I don't think you're going to get
cheaper prices than this.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Go to Flash my Brass though they have fantastic, fantastic prices.
They have two locations. As if the one in Draper
wasn't enough, they opened one in Orum. The orm one
is eighteen oh two Sandhill Road in they're open until
six o'clock. Now let's see if Saturday. Yeah, they're opening
until five o'clock today. They're at the Worm location and

(23:10):
Draper as well. And the Draper locations four to thirty
eight West one hundred and twenty third South And as
you're going, if you're going, it's on the north side
of one hundred and twenty third And as you're going there,
get ready to turn before you go under the overpass
because if you miss it, then you've got to make
a U turn on that very busy street. But Flash

(23:31):
my Brass has some fantastic, I mean really fantastic sales
on all the stuff that you shoot. And they even
have some weird calibers too that I found some stuff
for a thirty two Winchester Special, my dad's old rifle.
So Anyway, all right, what else have I got on here?
We're going to talk about. Oh yeah, let's talk about

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what happened. So President Trump signed the Big Beautiful bill,
and it's primarily a budget bill, and that's how they
were able to get it with just fifty one votes
in the Senate and just one more than half in
the House because as opposed to sixty vote margin in

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the Senate that they would need on non budget type bills. Anyway,
there's a whole lot to be said about what you
can put in a bill like that and what you can't.
But essentially, long story short, we wanted the removal of
short brailed shotguns, shotguns with a barrel length with a

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stock on them, with a barrel length of less than
eighteen inches, and short brelled rifles that is a rifle
that's a firearm with a stock on it, that fire
cartridge with a barrel length of less than sixteen inches,
and aow's which are an odd duck. But essentially it's

(24:58):
not a rifle. It's not a shotgun because it doesn't
have a stock, but it's not quite a pistol either.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's just a weapon.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
And a lot of those are most of the time,
they seem they shoot shotgun cartridges. So anyway, we wanted
those off in addition to suppressors. Some people call them silencers,
but they're essentially a muffler that diminished the report of
the fire and once once it's fired, it doesn't make

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us big a boom. Anyway, we wanted them off of
what they call that the NFA. It's an act that
was started in nineteen thirty four to kind of regulate
firearms that at the time were considered the most dangerous
and a crack down on the ganglan crimes in the
Prohibition era. And they said, well, let's do this, and

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then they said, you know, let's really let's really stick
it to them. And the only way we can do
that is to create a transfer tax, a tax stamp,
which it's two hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's still two hundred dollars. Well now it isn't.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
But anyway, it in those days in nineteen thirty four,
two hundred bucks man that's a lot, you know. I
don't know if that was a month's pay or more,
but anyway, and the way they got it passed was
they made it not just regulatory, but they put it
in the the Internal Revenue Service Code. It's a tax.

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The Supreme Court has said, this is a tax act.
It doesn't regulate as much as it taxes and controls
things via a tax. And literally when you would get
your paperwork, when you get your paperwork back from the ATF,
the NFA branch, you would get a stamp like a
stamp that you would put on an envelope, like a

(26:48):
Lickum Stickham type stamp, only it would say two hundred
dollars instead of I don't know what they cost now,
forty five cents or something. Anyway, So what happened is
we did get the complete removal. We didn't get the
removal of all of any of those things off the NFA.
There's still a registration process. What we did is we

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don't have to pay two hundred bucks anymore. You still
have to pay two hundred bucks for destructive devices and
machine guns which are also covered out the NFA, but
short brailed rifles, short builded shotguns, aow's, and suppressors. You
don't have to write a check to the NFA brunch
for two hundred bucks, but you still have to You

(27:30):
still have to fill out the paperwork. It's long it is.
You still have to supply photographs, fingerprints. You have to
send a note to your local law enforcement telling them
of your desire to possess one of these things, purchase
one of these things. They don't they don't have a

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say so as to whether or not you can have it.
But you still have to send a letter to your
local law enforcement. Then you have to mail this all
in to the NFA branch, and sooner or later. I
have waited a year to get a response back saying yes,
you can go ahead and get it, even though it

(28:12):
was really not subjective. And then some people are waiting days,
just mere days. And the thing that bugs me, Hey,
I'm glad that we're only waiting days now, But the
thing that bugs me is why is it only days now?
Why was it up to a year or more? In
some cases, they never did answer that, and just all

(28:34):
of a sudden, it started taking a daze or a
week or something like that to get your paperwork back.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Anyway, So that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
We'll talk a little bit more about that when we
come back in the last session or section, and I'll
try to tell you what is going on with Rhode
Island All right when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
stay tuned anyway. Hey, why is words from President Ronald
Reagan back in the eighties and when he was talking

(29:01):
about government and how it should function. Where's my clip
on this one? It's right there.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
We the people tell the government what to do. It
doesn't tell us. We the people are the driver. The
government is the car, and we decide where it should
go and by what route.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And how fast.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments
tell the people what their privileges are. Our constitution is
a document in which we the people tell the government
what it is allowed to do. We the people are free,
and I hope we have once again reminded people. But

(29:43):
man is not free unless government is limited.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Ay wise, words from former President Ronald Reagan who used
to be governor of California back in the back in
the day when I don't know anyway, So you know what,
I find it very interesting that we always think that
the government, especially the federal government or state government, is

(30:08):
above the people, and we're we have to coow teut
to them. Remind yourself this especially, you know, hey, all
the time. But here we are in the Independence Day weekend.
I try to say Independence Day rather than fourth of July.
Fourth of July is a date. Independence day is the
reason that we recognize it independence from what tyranny. It

(30:30):
happened to be a foreign government at the time, but
you know, tyranny and whether it be foreign or domestic.
And you know, voted on July second, signed on July fourth.
Basically a lot of our founding fathers signed their their
their death warrant so to speak, you know, for for
for treason against the King George. So anyway, remember that.

(30:53):
Now let's see the the big beautiful bill. So now
we have So it's interesting. The more I look at
what we didn't get and what we got, the more
I'm wondering, are there people a lot smarter than me
that are that are directing this thing? Because there's some

(31:16):
lawsuits now Gonnas of America is one prominent one. Lawsuits
against you know, naming the Department of Justice, naming the
Attorney General, and that, you know, this kind of stuff
to get rid of the NFA, to get rid of
the firearms on the NFA Act. And they could only
do it. They could only do this kind of lawsuit.

(31:38):
Now that the bill has passed, and the two hundred
dollars tax stamp requirement is gone, and it could be
three d chess here I don't know, Okay. So remember
that the NFA is, as far as the Supreme Court
is concerned, is a taxing authority, a taxing ability, not

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so much about regulation. And so the authors of the
Night of the nineteen thirty four NFA left no doubt,
and this is in an opinion in the Northern District
of Texas on behalf the Supreme Court left no doubt
that the NFA was an exercise of the taxing power.

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And the Supreme Court has never said any different, has
always upheld it on that basis. But the NFA, now,
think about this, if it's two hundred dollars, and that's
what brings it in. The NFA no longer imposes any
tax on the vast majority of those firearms that are
in the NFA short bild, rifle, shotguns, suppressors, aow's. It

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no longer imposes any tax on those firearms that it
purports to regulate. The bill is signed, it's enacted yesterday.
It's zero's the manufacturer and transfer tax on nearly on
on those NFA regulated firearms.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
That means follow along.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That the constitutional foundations, the constitutional authority on what's the
NFA rested has dissolved. Bam with the strike, you know,
with his signature, the NFA now cannot be upheld under
any other Article one power with respect to untaxed firearms.
The Act, the NFA Act is now unconstitutional because it

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was based on tax.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
There is no tax.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
And so I find that I'm you know, hey, I'm
no attorney, certainly not a constitutional one, but I find
it a very compelling argument. And I would imagine that
there are going to be numerous lawsuits or friends of
the courtory from Firearm Policy Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, the NRA,

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probably the n SSF, I don't know, to support and
go along with the gun owners of America in this one.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Is it? Three D chess? Did we pass this so
that we could get this lawsuit and get it done? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I think so. All right, So I've just got a
couple minutes here. Rhode Island, Rhode Island just passed a
new law restricting and this is from the AP.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
This is from the AP.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Rhode Island's assault weapon ban offers a peek into why
such laws are difficult to pass well anyway. Their first
paragraph passing a new law restricting assault weapons took Rhode
Island lawmakers more than ten years, but it may offer
a roadmap to other states looking to ease the proliferation
of such firearms. Two words stood out in this first paragraph.

(34:49):
And you know, Kimberly Krussy from the AP, you know,
doesn't hide her disdain for Second Amendment rights when they
use terms like assault weapons. Okay, she could have just said,
you know, specified them. But it's a demonizing term. It's
certainly a demonizing term. That is, that is meant to

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describe the most popular firearm by lab possessed and shot
by law a body of the most single most popular
firearm used by that And then they look at the
the proliferation of such firearms, even the word proliferation. What

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else do we see proliferation? Nuclear weapons? You know, these
demonizing terms. All right, So they join Washington State, and
I foresee that it is going to be struck down.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'll be a little prophetic here.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think it'll be struck down by the United States
Supreme Court when they finally get around to doing it.
Justice Kavanaugh is dying to have that come before them
and they just need a few more votes to get
it out of Conference committee. Hey, thanks for listening to
the gun radio you talked today. Denny again, thanks for
being here in all you do, and get out there
do some shooting in for goodness sakes. Clean up after

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yourselves until next week.