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Speaker 1 (00:00):
North Springs Range and facility, big complex out here near Price, Utah.
But we're in Carbon com beautiful Carbon County, and so
you will hear some gunfire from the that's the thousand
yard range where nearest to Yeah, yeah, one thousand yard,
six hundred yard all that kind of stuff where we shot.
And we'll tell you what we're doing here. But of course,
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as always across from me, literally not just figuratively, Bill Petterson,
Director Utah Shooting Sports Council, and I of course you're
the the clark Opotion.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The the clerk Opotion Capital t So yeah, we're going
to tell you what we're doing out here.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So we arrived yesterday at the North Springs Shooting Range
and to not necessarily participate in, but take part in
the Hornady Precision n r L Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think I got all that right. I'm gonna go
look at Scott here. Okay, got says, I got that right.
So we came out.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Here on behalf of you to our Shooting Sports Council,
but got invited by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. A
big thanks to NEPI Cole for setting this up to
work with and our part was to work with legislators
to try to bring them out, give them a shooting experience.
And this is this is more than just a regular
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getting a hum there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh is that what it was? Okay? Was that a
drone that was flying by.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Probably in the in the loud noise the gunshots, Well, yeah,
I can I can tell the gunshots. So we got
to it's the Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So it's rifle shooting, but it's made in a competition
to kind of mimic what you might find in an
actual hunting environment.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
There's no bench rests.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Here, there's uh, you know, you don't have a ton
of time, and you're shooting at varying distances, which you
never know what the distance is. You have to use
a range finder and that kind of stuff to actually
find out. And there are limits as to the as
to what you can have on your gun and wait
wise and that type of thing. But I will tell
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you this, so I had some great coaching. I shoot pistols,
I shoot subguns, I shoot sock guns, and I shoot
ars and scary guns like that, generally speaking one hundred
yards or less. I don't shoot long range, but I
think I do now. Yeah, because we did stuff at everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What are the distances that you can go in this challenge?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I think most Well, we hit three of the stages.
There's four targets at each stage, and uh, you have
wet'll steal targets. Yeah, and you have four minutes to
hit all find find all four.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Find they are in the they are in the brush.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And then you once you have identified, then you you
have h to shoot.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, four minutes to shoot all four. And sometimes there's
just one target that you have to shoot four times
from different dish, and sometimes there's two.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Targets and you have to shoot them twice.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I learned a lot, I mean, but I mean just
how the distances.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't think it goes out to nine hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, nine hundred. I don't think we had anything less
than two hundred on our shoot.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, so I think we had some two fifties.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We had three hundred, four hundred, and I did ding
the target first shot five hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, there's twenty two stages. Distances start at two hundred
yards out to nine hundred yards, and you've got a
minimum round count of eighty eight, maximum of one to
seventy six. Or they said there was what one hundred
and ninety people out here doing this. So hopefully we're
going to have url on the match director.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, he's kind of running things.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Hopefully get him in here and talk a little bit
more about this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But we'll give you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Some But we're also going to have the director of
the range on Scott and he is the director of
this wonderful, absolutely fantastic North Spring shooting range.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It is what every community wishes they could have. It's
it's world class. It's definitely ranked super high in the nation.
And we shot at stuff at one thousand yards. It
was on a bench though yesterday one thousand yards and
we dinged the target at one thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What did you think about that gun? That twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Four, twenty five forty Yeah, twenty five by forty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I'd never heard of it before. Yeah, I'd never heard
of it before. Edible, Yeah, really neat gun.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
In fact, we'll have to talk about who's gun that
was with recoil X, so it was a kind of
a neat technology to have on that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I hope we have enough time to talk about what
the United States Supreme Court did for us two different things.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They did many things, but two different things.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And why I think it's why one is fantastic and
the other is not so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Bad yet not so bad.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's you know, maybe you wish they had had it's
it's dealing with the ars, our ars, bad guns?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Are they were they considered?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Would would George Washington and Thomas Jefferson have approved of rs.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That kind of a thing. I think they would. I
think they would. They would. Are you kidding me? They
would have loved them exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So, uh, we're we're going to talk about that and
what else we got we've got I have, I have
a whole bunch of stuff on my notes here.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, that's the wrong page.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We have some important decisions this past week in regards
with the at F.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The ATF came out with they've been coming out with
a lot of stuff, and they they came out with
some new policies that really go our way, really go
our way.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If you're an F, definitely take a look.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
At the one the open letter and the new policies
that they will have sent you. And if you got
shut down by the ATF with their new Enhanced Enforcement Policy,
in the last in the last year, year and a
half or whatever, the under the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You've got some options.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You've got some options now if you did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh hey, I want to remind you I have been
in contact with with Jennifer with Gun Rights Policy Conference.
If you don't know what g g RPC is, it's
a conference for gun rights essentially every year, and they
hold it in a different in a different state, different city.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And last year they did it in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And I went up to Allen Gottlie, the head of
the Second Amendment Foundation Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep Bare Arms, and I said, you need to come
at Salt Lake. And a couple months later we got
a call He's coming out to Salt Lake. So we
need volunteers. So it's going to be September. What did
I say, bills September that the last Friday, Saturday, Sunday
in September whatever, That is twenty seven ninth, something along
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those lines. Anyway, So one plan to come, Two plan
to help Utah Shooting Sports Council because we're being called
on to provide some volunteers.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
We're going to need everything.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
From bringing people back and forth from the Airport because
it's going to be held downtown Salt Lake at the
at Salt Palace Sick and so we're going to need
some volunteers to shuttle. We're going to need volunteers at
the check in table, volunteers for credentials, volunteers for helping
to set up rooms, that type of thing, and more
to come on that. So contact Utah Shooting Sports Council
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dot org for that and obviously sign up become.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
A member of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Bill, what do you got, Well, we're going to talk
a little bit more about this shooting experience one of
the cool things that we've got to do. I'm trying
to remember his name now. Jeff was a Jeff that
was with us Live Clark. Jeff Clark was with us
as an RSO and took us around on three of
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the stages and just some of the things the tips
he was giving. I learned so much that now I
can apply to my long range shooting, but I also
think I can apply to just shooting rifles in general.
And I learned a lot, and we're going to talk
about some of those things, and hopefully when Burl's here
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as well, but yeah, we've got a lot to cover.
So when you uh, well, when we come back on
gun Radio Utah, we're going to have Scott in the
director of the North Spring Shooting Facility shooting Range here
in Carbon County, and talk about this wonderful, great facility.
When we come back on gun Radio Utah. See, we
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are live at the North Spring Shooting Range here in
Carbon County, just outside of Price, Utah, and we're going
to talk about some wonderful things. We just had a
lot last minute change here. Uh, we're going to hold
Scott here for one segment, but we've got virl doallon
on it and I'm gonna jump right into this. I
want to take advantage of much of this time as
we have with him and uh, Burrel, thank you so
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much for being on gun Radio Utah. And a big
thing is, you know, thank you for letting us come
out and uh and really check out what you've got
going on here.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So yeah, so far you're the match director.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah right, and you organize this, you get the sponsors,
you get everything.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I mean, wow, this is how many competitors do you
have this year?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I think we're around one to eighty right now.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
One hundred and eighty people with guns and wandering around,
and they're they're kind of hiking. There's some there's a
little bit of hiking involved in some in some desert, uh,
you know, over the ridges and that type of thing.
And not only that, but you have to assign how
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many different stations are there.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
There's nineteen stages on.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Okay, so nineteen stages, and they and you put up
anywhere from one to four targets, right, yeah, okay, what
are the distances at these?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And what are the sizes of the targets? Right?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So they go from two hundred all the way. I
think our farthest target's about eight sixty and as little
as a little tiny prairie dog four inches wide by
six inches tall, up to about a twenty four by
sixteen targets.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How they are big.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I shot at a prairie dog yesterday at the
Steel prairie dog.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I swear it was turned sideways because it was I
hit it. I was I'm happy to say that I
hit it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And oh that's the other neat thing is we've got
the you've got these red lights on the talk about
those red lights at these far distances and how they work.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So that's horn of these hit indicators. So anytime the
target is hit, it reacts off that vibration and it'll
it'll actually Morse codes hit back at you if you
notice it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, no, I didn't know the Morse cut. It really
does a Morse code type thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
So the way it flashes, it's it's actually putting hit.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh my gosh, I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh I didn't because I want Morse code a miss though.
I mean obviously, yeah that I did notice it was flashing,
but in the bright daylight of the Carbon County sun,
I could see it instantly, just perfectly. So you have
to put up all these targets and a lot of
times you leave them here though. But uh, and then
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you have people so explain it kind of explained what
a competitor would do once they get to a stage.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So the competitors are held back a little ways from
the shooting line and everything's blind to them, so.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They don't know where the targets are or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Correct, they don't know where they're at. Sod RO will
call them up and there's a designated start time and
at that time they have four minutes and they have
you know what, we call it a viewing steaks, So
they'll put their tripod over that steak, and then there's
viewing limits left and right limits, two stakes in front
of you. All your targets will be within those limits.
The first target has a big white placard, you know,
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kind of to help draw you in. And then any
target from there is left to right. So anything from
there is going to be on the right side, and
so they're up to their own to find them, range them,
and then within the designated shooting areas that we've designated
with other stakes in the ground, they'll engage as targets.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And so they can go from different positions. What are
the different positions they could shoot from.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So anything from prone like to over logs, over trees
and down off hills and embankments, trying to mimic hunting
as close as we could, something you might encounter in
a hunting situation.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So I'll tell you I was going prone on one
of them, and I could barely see over the shrubbery
this little teeny little black dot at the black steel target,
and it blended in quite well with the with the
rest of the scenery. But that was all I could see,
I had just this little tiny view of it, and
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I can only imagine and I didn't That was only
two stages we looked at, or three stages that we
looked at. I can only imagine what the others will like.
They have to hit them in order, and they only
get two shots right per target, yes, and then they're
uh and they're scored. And then if they go over
the four minutes, like they take too long viewing what happens.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
So at the four minute time, it's just done and
you're done, you're done. You don't get any extra time.
You'll just clean up your stuff and head to the next.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
One on your way.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to leave,
but you can't stay here. Kind of a thing I guess,
is that right? Yeah, something like that. You don't have
to go home, but you can't stay here.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So we had we had a great time yesterday with
Jeff and he gave us some great tips. That was
the one thing he goes. He goes, if you're shooting
this competitively and you don't know, ask ask, ask questions.
And the RSOs are really great helpful. I mean they're
going to tell you everything, but I mean they give
you some great tips.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And so no, that was.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The that was the farthest at that time, five hundred
and fifty yards.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I had never shot anything that far.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Maybe I hit shot stuff that far, but I'd never
hit stuff that far. Uh And and it was neat
to get that instant feedback from the Hornity, you know
that that hit light thing and we found all about
you know, it really puts into perspective how to know
your equipment as well, moving your moving the scope adjustment,
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allowing for there was a little bit of wind. We
had to allow for that, and especially on the thousand
yard range that we were doing yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So this is our fifth year, fifth year here at
North Springs, on our fourth year that we're partnered with Hornet.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And now this this match is part of the n
r L, the National Rifle League, right, so it counts
I guess it counts for the you know, as part
of their their main league in shooting. And how far
way do people come to to attend this match today?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I've seen Michigan, Georgia in the past, We've had Pennsylvania
all over the country. Sometimes we will get international well.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, I know, we just had some two German people
come in, not in the match, but they were just
they were shooting the Germans and uh and I said
my dounge, Yeshoda or whatever and vobis do.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And okay, yeah that was the German. So we got
one more day.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Where can people learn more about this shooting and you know,
and and how can they get involved? We know there's
kids involved with this as well.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Also, Yeah, lots of lots of youth out. We definitely
encourage that there's a lot of ladies out as well.
But the nr L Hunter dot Org I believe their website,
but there's different matches there and information. This particular match
is the Hornity Precision Hunter Challenge. If you go to
their website and click on events Hornity Precision Hunter Challenge,
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you'll find more information there.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
In addition to Hornady, you had get Air that was here,
Loophold Loopold was here, and there was a rifle and
another optic company if.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I remember Element Optic westout Precision.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah. So fantastic food from the food truck too.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I gotta tell you angel it was angel is that
is that is actually it says Angels thing. Oh my gosh,
that was best burrito. That was pretty that was the
best burrito. So fantastic. So so did we give the
do we give the website for more information in that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, website.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We also have a Facebook page Hornity Precision Hunter Chan,
but either of those two locations will give you more information.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Broll, I gotta tell you, you put together one heck
of a match here and it's still going on. It'll
be going on until early afternoon tomorrow, I gather. Yeah,
so fantastic. Unfortunately we have to get back, but maybe
next year.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh I would love to come back out here next
year and possibly even shoot this. I mean, I could
have some fun.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
With this barrel.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Dollan, thank you very much for being on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
All right, And before before I let you go, Bill,
I've got to go into So let's say your gun
is you break your gun at the Hornity Precision NRL
Hunter Challenge and or you need a muscle break. You
need it it threaded for a new muscle break. Okay,
you can get it. You know where I'm going with this.
(17:51):
You can get it over this to the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Wearouse. Oh yeah, the gunsmith a Sportsman's Warehouse can
take care of that for you. Whatever is ailing on
your gun, let's say, is just let's say you want
a new cartridge to fit in that chamber and it's
got to and you've tried your best with your Dremo
tool and it just isn't giving you what you want,
and get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
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The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse is at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give
him a Calladato one three zero four eighty seventy, or
you can take it into any of the over one
hundred and forty six Sportsman's Warehouse locations and they will
get it to the gunsmith for you.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
When we come back, we're going to have Scott on.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He is the range director of this entire enormous complex
here in beautiful Carbon County.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, yesterday every police car from from every area, even
as far as Wyoming, Spanish Fork.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah all went to go get a guy that was
barricaded or someone. Don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But why was everyone blaming us for that?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah? I knew we were here.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Then they then they laid Yeah, Casey Jane thought I
had something new because it came across on the news.
So basically, I think what happened was they found this
guy who had barricaded himself inside his house. He wasn't
armed and he wasn't holding in hostage, so in the
end they just left him alone.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's good. That's probably a good idea.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
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to join or do one, or maybe you're just in
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at Flash Our Brass, Flash My Brass, Our Brass. But
you know, flash my Brass.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Having to correct you on that one, that was a
bad one. He Lashing my Bras, Flash My Brass. You
can find them in eighteen oh two sand Hill Road
in Orum or four thirty eight West one and twenty
third South and Draper And they've got deals and they've
got just about anything.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What if I was looking for twenty five by forty
seven though, that you're going to have to make on
your own.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I think I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
That one they're not going to have. I guarantee you that.
And plus it's going to be way too expensive to
shoot anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But okay, so, so who have you got sitting next
to you now?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, so we've got Scott, the director of the North
Springs Shooting Range.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Heres.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
We need to correct this range master range Master with
a little bit of respect.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Range Master Master Scott. So, mister Scott range Master or
range Master Scott. Okay, okay, I like that. Well, welcome
to gun radio youtub. We're so glad to have this.
So we cleared it with our producer. You just can't
You just can't say what you wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Everything. You can say most of the things. It's not
that one thing.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's not that those other things.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, Phil, I got a reputation. So
how big is this range?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So the North Springs Shooting Range is actually six hundred
and forty eighters. We've got a whole section out here.
We're actually owned and operated by Carbon County and we
are just a public shooting range.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But let's name the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
See if I forget anything, you've got one thousand yard
yards six hundred, well everything between one thousand and nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
All ranges go from zero to one thousand, zero one hundred.
Did anybody shoot at zero A couple accidentally have yeah,
a couple little nags in the sidewalk there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Okay, And you've got and you've got targets out there.
How big is that silhouette target at one thousand yards?
Is it a standard silhouette?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's a standard E six silhouette target. I got one
about eight fifty one out of a thousand. I got
a little silhouette cowboy to AE thousand and then the
big plate is eight foot b eight foot.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, and so you've got that. So you've got pistol ranges.
You've got a little shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Area, small shotgun that's our but it's there. But from
that area we also do our extreme long range.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
From there.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We've got a twelve hundred yard, a fifteen hundred yard
and the mile target.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And didn't you tell me though that you had somebody
come out for a two mile challenge out here.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
They wanted to they wanted to together COVID hit and
so they had to kind of lock it down.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But they want to come out and do one of
these days. Kay.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So you've got that, You've got a cowboy town, cowboy
shoot lots of stuff. Really cool. I mean it looks
like a movie set. It's so cool. And then you've
got you've got a nice little dining area right there
in a kitchen.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And then you've got archery.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Archery, yeah tree, we've got block targets for siding in
from twenty yards out to one hundred yards and all
skill levels, three D archery course and a challenge archery course.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
See.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And then you've got law enforcement, get dedicated law enforcement area.
You've got a campground and camping. How much is camping?
So camping is ten dollars a night. It is dry
camping only. So we do not have no hookups, but
we do have the RV dump.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So our motto is we won't give you nothing while
you're here, but we'll take your cleef.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There you go. That's that's excellent, okay. So then we've
got that.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And then in addition, not open to the public, but
you do have that Hunter Challenge thing that if people
sign up for through the through the NRL.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's a heck about it. I mean that that's quite.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A quite a range a number of shooting positions twenty
how many shooting positions twenty something on?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
They got nineteen stage nineteen stage match and that's a
whole lot, and they're taking up actually closing down Cowboy
Town for this weekend just for that event. But we
don't put on events, We just host events. So the
NRL Hunter Challenge comes here, they want any precision NRL
Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
We've have the.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
PRS matches coming out here. We do the long range
shoot if you talk classes out here, we do the
Cowboy Action shooting.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
We've held state championship shoots out here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So Bryce comes down here, Brice comes down. Oh okay
all the time. Fantastic. And do you do any instruction
or do you host any classes?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Do conceal weapons classes? We do under education classes. We
don't have a lot of people doing. Bryce does the
long range shooter classes. But as far as like personal
protection things to that effect, it's not really caught on
at this range right now because we've got you got
to come along ways just to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So you know, we've been to a lot of ranges, Bill,
and you know, going from one portion of the range
to another is usually involving dirt and rutted roads and
washed out gravel.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You guys have not.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You guys have got nice asphalt roads, perfect condition.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Everywhere you go out here finally.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, we had we had some problems with one of
our roads for a few years, but yeah, it's all
paved roads. You can come out with any type of vehicle, motorcycles, cars,
whatever you got, and you can get all the revenues vehicle.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Lots of great parking, and if you forget your eyes
and ears, you can buy them here. They have a
nice clubhouse. You check in at the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Everywhere else come check in and we got bathrooms with
running water and flesh toilets.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, exactly, you've got power out here, So tell us that,
tell us the hours and and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What to put in Google to find it. Again.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
We are just a public shity range. So we are
open Thursday through Sunday nine name until dusk.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You around even in the winter time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And to find us, just look up North Springs Shooting
Range on Google or go to the county website which
is carbon u taw dot gov.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
All right, so new shooters can come out here.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They can come out. You get a new gun, you
could come out and try it out here.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Absolutely, you sell targets. We do sell targets. We do
not sell ammunition. We do not rent firearms. So if
you didn't bring it, you don't get to use it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So okay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Our biggest complaint is I run that hamlet, so bring
lots of ham Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, very good. You can see that.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And you know what I found here while I was
shooting at the thousand yards, because I'm not a long
distant shooter in anyway, I found that the people alongside
of you didn't come with you, they are more than
willing to help you, to give you a tip in.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Hey, I don't like to put down another place, but
we've got a very very good classic shooter. When you
come down in North Springs, you're here for a purpose
and you're typically into your sport, and most of these
people are more than willing to help you out with
giving you tips or whatever they can do. I mean,
just just wonderful people down here.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I mean I thought it was just fantastic people that
weren't even in the Hunter Challenge or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
How long have you been at this range?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We've been opened for eighteen years now, and have you
been here for I opened up the range for the
county eighteen years ago?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wow? How did the range come to be?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean, as if nothing else other than it's a
fantastic place to shoot.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's a beautiful location.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
The range was actually funded by mental lease Moneys and
was initiated by the sheriff of the time. He wanted
an indoor shooting facility so his officers could train you around.
He took that idea to our commissioners at the time.
They said, well, why do we want to build you something.
Let's build something amazing. So they took that information and
got people from different disciplines put together all this good stuff,
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and the only thing we don't have is an indoor
shooting facility.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You do it? It looked do you have a shoot
house though, we've got a life fire shoot house. We've
got killed.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, so there's your indoor shooting right there in your line.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Long range facilities. They are covered. Oh yeah, nice coverage,
very nice.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Nice benches, uh, concrete benches, marked yardages. We give you
golf cart to run out if you need to paint,
check and change targets free.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I didn't know about it. We could have been driving
golf cart cart. How about a landing strip. You have
a landing strip.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
We do have a landing strip, and not on purpose. Oh,
we did have one airplane to land here about three
years ago. He ran out of gas and he thought
the thousand yard range would be a really nice landing area.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Was this before the asphalt roads were in?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Uh No, we still had the roads. But this guy
wasn't very bright, and we just happen that he got.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He liked a nice wide landing. Was white.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
He didn't realize that. I've had target stands up there
and people shoot. Was it was the shooting was it
was a hot range at the time, and they seen
the plane and so they quit shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And he was lucky he didn't have it. So did
you walk up to the plane and say you can't
park here?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I said things that will allow me to say the radio.
It was not very nice to that.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh my gosh, it was from Idaho. Yes, going to
New Mexico. I okay, okay, I was gonna say. I'm
not going to say anything. We do have a comment
on Mexico and the United States Supreme Court when we
come back on Oh but wait, oh you've already done
f m B.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I did you already flashed your brass? I flashed my
bras Uh Scott. I want to thank you very much
whatever we do for you.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Fantastic, Thank you so much. And we know this won't
be our last time at the North Spring Shooting. When
we come back on Gun Radio Utah, there's lots more
to come.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Stay tuned. So anyway, uh, do you know the so
a couple of things on.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
The Supreme Court United States Supreme Court U s s C.
Which also happens to be United Utah Shooting Sports Council.
So we are we're always getting their emails in their
and their stuff in that spam, so in their spam anyway,
So there there are some states right now that say
AR fifteen's they're too they're too weird, they're too scary,
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they're not like a musket that the founders originally thought of,
and they're not protected by the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And we to that, we say, hey, the hell you say.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Almost one another direction, but I'll really well, okay, the
hell you say so anyway, And so.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
In recent years we've tried to get this before the
Supreme Court to say, would you guys decide one way
or the other exactly and tell New York until Chicago
and tell Hawaii that AR fifteen's the most popular single
platform that has ever been is is protected by the
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Second Amendment, it cannot be infringed upon.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So there was a case that it's kind.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Of like the case like the bump stock case and
that kind of stuff. There's a whole flood of cases
that go before the well that that go to the
kind of the anterior waiting rooms of the of the
Supreme Court, and then the justices. If you get four
justices to say, yeah, let's hear that, then the whole
court has to hear it. Well, we've had three justices, yeah,
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And so it was Thomas, Alito and Gorses. And but
what I can't figure out is why Kavanaugh didn't say,
didn't chime in. But Kavanaugh maybe he's waiting for just
the perfect case. And but I hope he doesn't wait
too long. So anyway, but he did signal that, I
mean he Kavanaugh did signal though, that that that he's
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going to provide very likely that crucial fourth vote once
the case is once you get a few more dissensions
and back and forth in the lower courts, and that
way I think they can maybe they can rule better anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So that's that. That's how that is right now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Another one that we've been watching is really interesting the
country of Mexico.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
You know where that is.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Kind of it's the south south to the south, yeah, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah. So anyways, I was so close. I was so close.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So anyway, and so it was it was brought about
by the Mexican government a lawsuit against United States gun
makers because they're saying that these gun makers are making guns.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Bam, that's first thing to their selling guns. This the
next thing. And these guns are.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Somehow get ending up in Mexico and criminals are using
them commit to do what criminals do, commit crimes now,
and so they want to sue the gun makers for
making these guns.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Why can't they just stay in their life me or
let alone staying their border states. I mean, I mean,
I mean I think they want to criminalize us.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I think it's the same way the same person in
the Mexican government was trying to ban cars because people
were speeding over there.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So anyway, well, I mean that's really the same.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Long and good on, good on our government for well, yeah,
the United States Supreme Court in a unanimous unanimous decision.
In fact, Kagan is the one that wrote the uh
the opinion for the court, saying no no.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
This this is not going to go forth.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And basically they were basically went to the United States
Supreme Court to see could this lawsuit go forward? It
wasn't that the lawsuit was that the the Supreme Court
was deciding, you know, whether you could Basically No. The PLCAA,
the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, we got
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passed in two thousand and five. It basically was written
exactly for this kind of a thing when a company
makes a legitimate item, especially a gun in this case,
and someone misuses it and then another person in say
a plaintiff, wants to sue that company essentially just to
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put them out of business. That's exactly what they want
to do. And there's a whole bunch of hand ringing,
bedwetter gun control people that were all on Mexico's side
that we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
This done too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, And you got to wonder if is that well
with everything that's being trying to be taken advantage with
immigrants and everything else that's going on. I mean, why
not throw firearms in the mix as well too?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So anyway, I think I think the Mexican government's inability
to to essentially bring their own criminals to justice before
before coming over here and trying to stop our gun manufacturers,
like you said, they need to you know, maybe stay
in their lane. Hey, we've just got a little bit
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of time left. I want to talk quickly. The ATF
has come out with some new new policies, you know,
with a new DOJ.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And there's a whole bunch of stuff I'm just going
to run through.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So gone are the days when if you had a
minor clerical error on a minor clerical error on a
forty four to seventy three the transfer of firearms between
a gun store and an individual buying the gun, that
you just you could get shut down, put out of business.
And if they literally did that, the doubt now for
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very very much. And we're talking no intent whatsoever to
to you know, to mess with the gun laws a
clerical error or something like that. And then even if
a gun store found a missing gun and they reported it,
they got put on notice, and if it happened again, they.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Got put out of business. Yeah, and so that is done.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Hey, they are revising the forty four seventy three to
make it shorter. Now awesome, I mean, yeah, that's that's fantastic, and.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So I wonder what they're going to take out of it.
Have you heard of anything what they might be removing or.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think they're going back to your when you buy
a gun, you have to identify yourself as either a
boy or a girl. Good and that's it. I don't
think they have the other options or anything like that.
So that'll take away, you know, that'll that'll shorten it
up a little bit. What else, standardizing inspection and enforcement
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practices for for dealers, So no more, no more of
this when they you know, one one state they have
one enforcement level and another state they have another enforcement level.
Let's see, they're going to allow electronic signatures on national
firearms for that kind of thing. Anyway, Bill, Well, we
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can talk about this more later. But we've got a
fantastic time here. What a great.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Weekend, and I definitely am coming back. I'm gonna stay
over in Price. You're only ten minutes away. Great accommodations there,
a great restaurants there, as we found out last night.
Had a great time here, Clark.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Hopefully you learned something too. I learned not to dial
Theron's no dope. It's called dope. It's called dope for
a reason. Hey, thanks Dedding and Salt Lake. Appreciate all
your help. Yeah, and have a great weekend everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
We'll see you next week. The
North Springs Range and facility, big complex out here near Price, Utah.
But we're in Carbon com beautiful Carbon County, and so
you will hear some gunfire from the that's the thousand
yard range where nearest to Yeah, yeah, one thousand yard,
six hundred yard all that kind of stuff where we shot.
And we'll tell you what we're doing here. But of course,
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as always across from me, literally not just figuratively, Bill Petterson,
Director Utah Shooting Sports Council, and I of course you're
the the clark Opotion.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The the clerk Opotion Capital t So yeah, we're going
to tell you what we're doing out here.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So we arrived yesterday at the North Springs Shooting Range
and to not necessarily participate in, but take part in
the Hornady Precision n r L Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think I got all that right. I'm gonna go
look at Scott here. Okay, got says, I got that right.
So we came out.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Here on behalf of you to our Shooting Sports Council,
but got invited by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. A
big thanks to NEPI Cole for setting this up to
work with and our part was to work with legislators
to try to bring them out, give them a shooting experience.
And this is this is more than just a regular
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getting a hum there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh is that what it was? Okay? Was that a
drone that was flying by.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Probably in the in the loud noise the gunshots, Well, yeah,
I can I can tell the gunshots. So we got
to it's the Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So it's rifle shooting, but it's made in a competition
to kind of mimic what you might find in an
actual hunting environment.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
There's no bench rests.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Here, there's uh, you know, you don't have a ton
of time, and you're shooting at varying distances, which you
never know what the distance is. You have to use
a range finder and that kind of stuff to actually
find out. And there are limits as to the as
to what you can have on your gun and wait
wise and that type of thing. But I will tell
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you this, so I had some great coaching. I shoot pistols,
I shoot subguns, I shoot sock guns, and I shoot
ars and scary guns like that, generally speaking one hundred
yards or less. I don't shoot long range, but I
think I do now. Yeah, because we did stuff at everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What are the distances that you can go in this challenge?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I think most Well, we hit three of the stages.
There's four targets at each stage, and uh, you have
wet'll steal targets. Yeah, and you have four minutes to
hit all find find all four.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Find they are in the they are in the brush.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And then you once you have identified, then you you
have h to shoot.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, four minutes to shoot all four. And sometimes there's
just one target that you have to shoot four times
from different dish, and sometimes there's two.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Targets and you have to shoot them twice.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I learned a lot, I mean, but I mean just
how the distances.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't think it goes out to nine hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, nine hundred. I don't think we had anything less
than two hundred on our shoot.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, so I think we had some two fifties.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We had three hundred, four hundred, and I did ding
the target first shot five hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, there's twenty two stages. Distances start at two hundred
yards out to nine hundred yards, and you've got a
minimum round count of eighty eight, maximum of one to
seventy six. Or they said there was what one hundred
and ninety people out here doing this. So hopefully we're
going to have url on the match director.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, he's kind of running things.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Hopefully get him in here and talk a little bit
more about this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But we'll give you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Some But we're also going to have the director of
the range on Scott and he is the director of
this wonderful, absolutely fantastic North Spring shooting range.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It is what every community wishes they could have. It's
it's world class. It's definitely ranked super high in the nation.
And we shot at stuff at one thousand yards. It
was on a bench though yesterday one thousand yards and
we dinged the target at one thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What did you think about that gun? That twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Four, twenty five forty Yeah, twenty five by forty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I'd never heard of it before. Yeah, I'd never heard
of it before. Edible, Yeah, really neat gun.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
In fact, we'll have to talk about who's gun that
was with recoil X, so it was a kind of
a neat technology to have on that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I hope we have enough time to talk about what
the United States Supreme Court did for us two different things.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They did many things, but two different things.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And why I think it's why one is fantastic and
the other is not so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Bad yet not so bad.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's you know, maybe you wish they had had it's
it's dealing with the ars, our ars, bad guns?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Are they were they considered?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Would would George Washington and Thomas Jefferson have approved of rs.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That kind of a thing. I think they would. I
think they would. They would. Are you kidding me? They
would have loved them exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So, uh, we're we're going to talk about that and
what else we got we've got I have, I have
a whole bunch of stuff on my notes here.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, that's the wrong page.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We have some important decisions this past week in regards
with the at F.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The ATF came out with they've been coming out with
a lot of stuff, and they they came out with
some new policies that really go our way, really go
our way.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If you're an F, definitely take a look.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
At the one the open letter and the new policies
that they will have sent you. And if you got
shut down by the ATF with their new Enhanced Enforcement Policy,
in the last in the last year, year and a
half or whatever, the under the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You've got some options.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You've got some options now if you did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh hey, I want to remind you I have been
in contact with with Jennifer with Gun Rights Policy Conference.
If you don't know what g g RPC is, it's
a conference for gun rights essentially every year, and they
hold it in a different in a different state, different city.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And last year they did it in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And I went up to Allen Gottlie, the head of
the Second Amendment Foundation Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep Bare Arms, and I said, you need to come
at Salt Lake. And a couple months later we got
a call He's coming out to Salt Lake. So we
need volunteers. So it's going to be September. What did
I say, bills September that the last Friday, Saturday, Sunday
in September whatever, That is twenty seven ninth, something along
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those lines. Anyway, So one plan to come, Two plan
to help Utah Shooting Sports Council because we're being called
on to provide some volunteers.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
We're going to need everything.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
From bringing people back and forth from the Airport because
it's going to be held downtown Salt Lake at the
at Salt Palace Sick and so we're going to need
some volunteers to shuttle. We're going to need volunteers at
the check in table, volunteers for credentials, volunteers for helping
to set up rooms, that type of thing, and more
to come on that. So contact Utah Shooting Sports Council
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dot org for that and obviously sign up become.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
A member of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Bill, what do you got, Well, we're going to talk
a little bit more about this shooting experience one of
the cool things that we've got to do. I'm trying
to remember his name now. Jeff was a Jeff that
was with us Live Clark. Jeff Clark was with us
as an RSO and took us around on three of
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the stages and just some of the things the tips
he was giving. I learned so much that now I
can apply to my long range shooting, but I also
think I can apply to just shooting rifles in general.
And I learned a lot, and we're going to talk
about some of those things, and hopefully when Burl's here
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as well, but yeah, we've got a lot to cover.
So when you uh, well, when we come back on
gun Radio Utah, we're going to have Scott in the
director of the North Spring Shooting Facility shooting Range here
in Carbon County, and talk about this wonderful, great facility.
When we come back on gun Radio Utah. See, we
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are live at the North Spring Shooting Range here in
Carbon County, just outside of Price, Utah, and we're going
to talk about some wonderful things. We just had a
lot last minute change here. Uh, we're going to hold
Scott here for one segment, but we've got virl doallon
on it and I'm gonna jump right into this. I
want to take advantage of much of this time as
we have with him and uh, Burrel, thank you so
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much for being on gun Radio Utah. And a big
thing is, you know, thank you for letting us come
out and uh and really check out what you've got
going on here.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So yeah, so far you're the match director.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah right, and you organize this, you get the sponsors,
you get everything.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I mean, wow, this is how many competitors do you
have this year?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I think we're around one to eighty right now.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
One hundred and eighty people with guns and wandering around,
and they're they're kind of hiking. There's some there's a
little bit of hiking involved in some in some desert, uh,
you know, over the ridges and that type of thing.
And not only that, but you have to assign how
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many different stations are there.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
There's nineteen stages on.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Okay, so nineteen stages, and they and you put up
anywhere from one to four targets, right, yeah, okay, what
are the distances at these?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And what are the sizes of the targets? Right?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So they go from two hundred all the way. I
think our farthest target's about eight sixty and as little
as a little tiny prairie dog four inches wide by
six inches tall, up to about a twenty four by
sixteen targets.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How they are big.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I shot at a prairie dog yesterday at the
Steel prairie dog.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I swear it was turned sideways because it was I
hit it. I was I'm happy to say that I
hit it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And oh that's the other neat thing is we've got
the you've got these red lights on the talk about
those red lights at these far distances and how they work.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So that's horn of these hit indicators. So anytime the
target is hit, it reacts off that vibration and it'll
it'll actually Morse codes hit back at you if you
notice it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, no, I didn't know the Morse cut. It really
does a Morse code type thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
So the way it flashes, it's it's actually putting hit.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh my gosh, I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh I didn't because I want Morse code a miss though.
I mean obviously, yeah that I did notice it was flashing,
but in the bright daylight of the Carbon County sun,
I could see it instantly, just perfectly. So you have
to put up all these targets and a lot of
times you leave them here though. But uh, and then
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you have people so explain it kind of explained what
a competitor would do once they get to a stage.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So the competitors are held back a little ways from
the shooting line and everything's blind to them, so.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They don't know where the targets are or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Correct, they don't know where they're at. Sod RO will
call them up and there's a designated start time and
at that time they have four minutes and they have
you know what, we call it a viewing steaks, So
they'll put their tripod over that steak, and then there's
viewing limits left and right limits, two stakes in front
of you. All your targets will be within those limits.
The first target has a big white placard, you know,
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kind of to help draw you in. And then any
target from there is left to right. So anything from
there is going to be on the right side, and
so they're up to their own to find them, range them,
and then within the designated shooting areas that we've designated
with other stakes in the ground, they'll engage as targets.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And so they can go from different positions. What are
the different positions they could shoot from.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So anything from prone like to over logs, over trees
and down off hills and embankments, trying to mimic hunting
as close as we could, something you might encounter in
a hunting situation.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So I'll tell you I was going prone on one
of them, and I could barely see over the shrubbery
this little teeny little black dot at the black steel target,
and it blended in quite well with the with the
rest of the scenery. But that was all I could see,
I had just this little tiny view of it, and
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I can only imagine and I didn't That was only
two stages we looked at, or three stages that we
looked at. I can only imagine what the others will like.
They have to hit them in order, and they only
get two shots right per target, yes, and then they're
uh and they're scored. And then if they go over
the four minutes, like they take too long viewing what happens.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
So at the four minute time, it's just done and
you're done, you're done. You don't get any extra time.
You'll just clean up your stuff and head to the next.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
One on your way.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to leave,
but you can't stay here. Kind of a thing I guess,
is that right? Yeah, something like that. You don't have
to go home, but you can't stay here.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So we had we had a great time yesterday with
Jeff and he gave us some great tips. That was
the one thing he goes. He goes, if you're shooting
this competitively and you don't know, ask ask, ask questions.
And the RSOs are really great helpful. I mean they're
going to tell you everything, but I mean they give
you some great tips.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And so no, that was.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The that was the farthest at that time, five hundred
and fifty yards.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I had never shot anything that far.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Maybe I hit shot stuff that far, but I'd never
hit stuff that far. Uh And and it was neat
to get that instant feedback from the Hornity, you know
that that hit light thing and we found all about
you know, it really puts into perspective how to know
your equipment as well, moving your moving the scope adjustment,
(14:47):
allowing for there was a little bit of wind. We
had to allow for that, and especially on the thousand
yard range that we were doing yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So this is our fifth year, fifth year here at
North Springs, on our fourth year that we're partnered with Hornet.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And now this this match is part of the n
r L, the National Rifle League, right, so it counts
I guess it counts for the you know, as part
of their their main league in shooting. And how far
way do people come to to attend this match today?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I've seen Michigan, Georgia in the past, We've had Pennsylvania
all over the country. Sometimes we will get international well.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, I know, we just had some two German people
come in, not in the match, but they were just
they were shooting the Germans and uh and I said
my dounge, Yeshoda or whatever and vobis do.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And okay, yeah that was the German. So we got
one more day.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Where can people learn more about this shooting and you know,
and and how can they get involved? We know there's
kids involved with this as well.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Also, Yeah, lots of lots of youth out. We definitely
encourage that there's a lot of ladies out as well.
But the nr L Hunter dot Org I believe their website,
but there's different matches there and information. This particular match
is the Hornity Precision Hunter Challenge. If you go to
their website and click on events Hornity Precision Hunter Challenge,
(16:20):
you'll find more information there.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
In addition to Hornady, you had get Air that was here,
Loophold Loopold was here, and there was a rifle and
another optic company if.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I remember Element Optic westout Precision.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah. So fantastic food from the food truck too.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I gotta tell you angel it was angel is that
is that is actually it says Angels thing. Oh my gosh,
that was best burrito. That was pretty that was the
best burrito. So fantastic. So so did we give the
do we give the website for more information in that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, website.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We also have a Facebook page Hornity Precision Hunter Chan,
but either of those two locations will give you more information.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Broll, I gotta tell you, you put together one heck
of a match here and it's still going on. It'll
be going on until early afternoon tomorrow, I gather. Yeah,
so fantastic. Unfortunately we have to get back, but maybe
next year.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh I would love to come back out here next
year and possibly even shoot this. I mean, I could
have some fun.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
With this barrel.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Dollan, thank you very much for being on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
All right, And before before I let you go, Bill,
I've got to go into So let's say your gun
is you break your gun at the Hornity Precision NRL
Hunter Challenge and or you need a muscle break. You
need it it threaded for a new muscle break. Okay,
you can get it. You know where I'm going with this.
(17:51):
You can get it over this to the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Wearouse. Oh yeah, the gunsmith a Sportsman's Warehouse can
take care of that for you. Whatever is ailing on
your gun, let's say, is just let's say you want
a new cartridge to fit in that chamber and it's
got to and you've tried your best with your Dremo
tool and it just isn't giving you what you want,
and get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
(18:12):
The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse is at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give
him a Calladato one three zero four eighty seventy, or
you can take it into any of the over one
hundred and forty six Sportsman's Warehouse locations and they will
get it to the gunsmith for you.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
When we come back, we're going to have Scott on.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He is the range director of this entire enormous complex
here in beautiful Carbon County.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, yesterday every police car from from every area, even
as far as Wyoming, Spanish Fork.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah all went to go get a guy that was
barricaded or someone. Don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But why was everyone blaming us for that?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah? I knew we were here.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Then they then they laid Yeah, Casey Jane thought I
had something new because it came across on the news.
So basically, I think what happened was they found this
guy who had barricaded himself inside his house. He wasn't
armed and he wasn't holding in hostage, so in the
end they just left him alone.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's good. That's probably a good idea.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hey, on these big shooting events, if you ever want
to join or do one, or maybe you're just in
some big need of ammunition, go check out our friends
at Flash Our Brass, Flash My Brass, Our Brass. But
you know, flash my Brass.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Having to correct you on that one, that was a
bad one. He Lashing my Bras, Flash My Brass. You
can find them in eighteen oh two sand Hill Road
in Orum or four thirty eight West one and twenty
third South and Draper And they've got deals and they've
got just about anything.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What if I was looking for twenty five by forty
seven though, that you're going to have to make on
your own.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I think I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
That one they're not going to have. I guarantee you that.
And plus it's going to be way too expensive to
shoot anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But okay, so, so who have you got sitting next
to you now?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, so we've got Scott, the director of the North
Springs Shooting Range.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Heres.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
We need to correct this range master range Master with
a little bit of respect.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Range Master Master Scott. So, mister Scott range Master or
range Master Scott. Okay, okay, I like that. Well, welcome
to gun radio youtub. We're so glad to have this.
So we cleared it with our producer. You just can't
You just can't say what you wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Everything. You can say most of the things. It's not
that one thing.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's not that those other things.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, Phil, I got a reputation. So
how big is this range?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So the North Springs Shooting Range is actually six hundred
and forty eighters. We've got a whole section out here.
We're actually owned and operated by Carbon County and we
are just a public shooting range.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But let's name the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
See if I forget anything, you've got one thousand yard
yards six hundred, well everything between one thousand and nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
All ranges go from zero to one thousand, zero one hundred.
Did anybody shoot at zero A couple accidentally have yeah,
a couple little nags in the sidewalk there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Okay, And you've got and you've got targets out there.
How big is that silhouette target at one thousand yards?
Is it a standard silhouette?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's a standard E six silhouette target. I got one
about eight fifty one out of a thousand. I got
a little silhouette cowboy to AE thousand and then the
big plate is eight foot b eight foot.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, and so you've got that. So you've got pistol ranges.
You've got a little shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Area, small shotgun that's our but it's there. But from
that area we also do our extreme long range.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
From there.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We've got a twelve hundred yard, a fifteen hundred yard
and the mile target.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And didn't you tell me though that you had somebody
come out for a two mile challenge out here.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
They wanted to they wanted to together COVID hit and
so they had to kind of lock it down.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But they want to come out and do one of
these days. Kay.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So you've got that, You've got a cowboy town, cowboy
shoot lots of stuff. Really cool. I mean it looks
like a movie set. It's so cool. And then you've
got you've got a nice little dining area right there
in a kitchen.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And then you've got archery.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Archery, yeah tree, we've got block targets for siding in
from twenty yards out to one hundred yards and all
skill levels, three D archery course and a challenge archery course.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
See.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And then you've got law enforcement, get dedicated law enforcement area.
You've got a campground and camping. How much is camping?
So camping is ten dollars a night. It is dry
camping only. So we do not have no hookups, but
we do have the RV dump.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So our motto is we won't give you nothing while
you're here, but we'll take your cleef.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There you go. That's that's excellent, okay. So then we've
got that.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And then in addition, not open to the public, but
you do have that Hunter Challenge thing that if people
sign up for through the through the NRL.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's a heck about it. I mean that that's quite.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A quite a range a number of shooting positions twenty
how many shooting positions twenty something on?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
They got nineteen stage nineteen stage match and that's a
whole lot, and they're taking up actually closing down Cowboy
Town for this weekend just for that event. But we
don't put on events, We just host events. So the
NRL Hunter Challenge comes here, they want any precision NRL
Hunter Challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
We've have the.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
PRS matches coming out here. We do the long range
shoot if you talk classes out here, we do the
Cowboy Action shooting.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
We've held state championship shoots out here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So Bryce comes down here, Brice comes down. Oh okay
all the time. Fantastic. And do you do any instruction
or do you host any classes?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Do conceal weapons classes? We do under education classes. We
don't have a lot of people doing. Bryce does the
long range shooter classes. But as far as like personal
protection things to that effect, it's not really caught on
at this range right now because we've got you got
to come along ways just to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So you know, we've been to a lot of ranges, Bill,
and you know, going from one portion of the range
to another is usually involving dirt and rutted roads and
washed out gravel.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You guys have not.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You guys have got nice asphalt roads, perfect condition.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Everywhere you go out here finally.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, we had we had some problems with one of
our roads for a few years, but yeah, it's all
paved roads. You can come out with any type of vehicle, motorcycles, cars,
whatever you got, and you can get all the revenues vehicle.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Lots of great parking, and if you forget your eyes
and ears, you can buy them here. They have a
nice clubhouse. You check in at the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Everywhere else come check in and we got bathrooms with
running water and flesh toilets.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, exactly, you've got power out here, So tell us that,
tell us the hours and and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What to put in Google to find it. Again.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
We are just a public shity range. So we are
open Thursday through Sunday nine name until dusk.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You around even in the winter time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And to find us, just look up North Springs Shooting
Range on Google or go to the county website which
is carbon u taw dot gov.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
All right, so new shooters can come out here.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They can come out. You get a new gun, you
could come out and try it out here.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Absolutely, you sell targets. We do sell targets. We do
not sell ammunition. We do not rent firearms. So if
you didn't bring it, you don't get to use it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So okay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Our biggest complaint is I run that hamlet, so bring
lots of ham Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, very good. You can see that.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And you know what I found here while I was
shooting at the thousand yards, because I'm not a long
distant shooter in anyway, I found that the people alongside
of you didn't come with you, they are more than
willing to help you, to give you a tip in.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Hey, I don't like to put down another place, but
we've got a very very good classic shooter. When you
come down in North Springs, you're here for a purpose
and you're typically into your sport, and most of these
people are more than willing to help you out with
giving you tips or whatever they can do. I mean,
just just wonderful people down here.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I mean I thought it was just fantastic people that
weren't even in the Hunter Challenge or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
How long have you been at this range?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We've been opened for eighteen years now, and have you
been here for I opened up the range for the
county eighteen years ago?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wow? How did the range come to be?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean, as if nothing else other than it's a
fantastic place to shoot.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's a beautiful location.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
The range was actually funded by mental lease Moneys and
was initiated by the sheriff of the time. He wanted
an indoor shooting facility so his officers could train you around.
He took that idea to our commissioners at the time.
They said, well, why do we want to build you something.
Let's build something amazing. So they took that information and
got people from different disciplines put together all this good stuff,
(26:50):
and the only thing we don't have is an indoor
shooting facility.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You do it? It looked do you have a shoot
house though, we've got a life fire shoot house. We've
got killed.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, so there's your indoor shooting right there in your line.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Long range facilities. They are covered. Oh yeah, nice coverage,
very nice.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Nice benches, uh, concrete benches, marked yardages. We give you
golf cart to run out if you need to paint,
check and change targets free.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I didn't know about it. We could have been driving
golf cart cart. How about a landing strip. You have
a landing strip.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
We do have a landing strip, and not on purpose. Oh,
we did have one airplane to land here about three
years ago. He ran out of gas and he thought
the thousand yard range would be a really nice landing area.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Was this before the asphalt roads were in?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Uh No, we still had the roads. But this guy
wasn't very bright, and we just happen that he got.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He liked a nice wide landing. Was white.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
He didn't realize that. I've had target stands up there
and people shoot. Was it was the shooting was it
was a hot range at the time, and they seen
the plane and so they quit shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And he was lucky he didn't have it. So did
you walk up to the plane and say you can't
park here?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I said things that will allow me to say the radio.
It was not very nice to that.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh my gosh, it was from Idaho. Yes, going to
New Mexico. I okay, okay, I was gonna say. I'm
not going to say anything. We do have a comment
on Mexico and the United States Supreme Court when we
come back on Oh but wait, oh you've already done
f m B.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I did you already flashed your brass? I flashed my
bras Uh Scott. I want to thank you very much
whatever we do for you.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Fantastic, Thank you so much. And we know this won't
be our last time at the North Spring Shooting. When
we come back on Gun Radio Utah, there's lots more
to come.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Stay tuned. So anyway, uh, do you know the so
a couple of things on.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
The Supreme Court United States Supreme Court U s s C.
Which also happens to be United Utah Shooting Sports Council.
So we are we're always getting their emails in their
and their stuff in that spam, so in their spam anyway,
So there there are some states right now that say
AR fifteen's they're too they're too weird, they're too scary,
(29:05):
they're not like a musket that the founders originally thought of,
and they're not protected by the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And we to that, we say, hey, the hell you say.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Almost one another direction, but I'll really well, okay, the
hell you say so anyway, And so.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
In recent years we've tried to get this before the
Supreme Court to say, would you guys decide one way
or the other exactly and tell New York until Chicago
and tell Hawaii that AR fifteen's the most popular single
platform that has ever been is is protected by the
(29:47):
Second Amendment, it cannot be infringed upon.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So there was a case that it's kind.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Of like the case like the bump stock case and
that kind of stuff. There's a whole flood of cases
that go before the well that that go to the
kind of the anterior waiting rooms of the of the
Supreme Court, and then the justices. If you get four
justices to say, yeah, let's hear that, then the whole
court has to hear it. Well, we've had three justices, yeah,
(30:18):
And so it was Thomas, Alito and Gorses. And but
what I can't figure out is why Kavanaugh didn't say,
didn't chime in. But Kavanaugh maybe he's waiting for just
the perfect case. And but I hope he doesn't wait
too long. So anyway, but he did signal that, I
mean he Kavanaugh did signal though, that that that he's
(30:42):
going to provide very likely that crucial fourth vote once
the case is once you get a few more dissensions
and back and forth in the lower courts, and that
way I think they can maybe they can rule better anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So that's that. That's how that is right now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Another one that we've been watching is really interesting the
country of Mexico.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
You know where that is.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Kind of it's the south south to the south, yeah, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah. So anyways, I was so close. I was so close.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So anyway, and so it was it was brought about
by the Mexican government a lawsuit against United States gun
makers because they're saying that these gun makers are making guns.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Bam, that's first thing to their selling guns. This the
next thing. And these guns are.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Somehow get ending up in Mexico and criminals are using
them commit to do what criminals do, commit crimes now,
and so they want to sue the gun makers for
making these guns.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Why can't they just stay in their life me or
let alone staying their border states. I mean, I mean,
I mean I think they want to criminalize us.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I think it's the same way the same person in
the Mexican government was trying to ban cars because people
were speeding over there.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So anyway, well, I mean that's really the same.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Long and good on, good on our government for well, yeah,
the United States Supreme Court in a unanimous unanimous decision.
In fact, Kagan is the one that wrote the uh
the opinion for the court, saying no no.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
This this is not going to go forth.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And basically they were basically went to the United States
Supreme Court to see could this lawsuit go forward? It
wasn't that the lawsuit was that the the Supreme Court
was deciding, you know, whether you could Basically No. The PLCAA,
the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, we got
(33:07):
passed in two thousand and five. It basically was written
exactly for this kind of a thing when a company
makes a legitimate item, especially a gun in this case,
and someone misuses it and then another person in say
a plaintiff, wants to sue that company essentially just to
(33:30):
put them out of business. That's exactly what they want
to do. And there's a whole bunch of hand ringing,
bedwetter gun control people that were all on Mexico's side
that we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
This done too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, And you got to wonder if is that well
with everything that's being trying to be taken advantage with
immigrants and everything else that's going on. I mean, why
not throw firearms in the mix as well too?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So anyway, I think I think the Mexican government's inability
to to essentially bring their own criminals to justice before
before coming over here and trying to stop our gun manufacturers,
like you said, they need to you know, maybe stay
in their lane. Hey, we've just got a little bit
(34:15):
of time left. I want to talk quickly. The ATF
has come out with some new new policies, you know,
with a new DOJ.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And there's a whole bunch of stuff I'm just going
to run through.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So gone are the days when if you had a
minor clerical error on a minor clerical error on a
forty four to seventy three the transfer of firearms between
a gun store and an individual buying the gun, that
you just you could get shut down, put out of business.
And if they literally did that, the doubt now for
(34:53):
very very much. And we're talking no intent whatsoever to
to you know, to mess with the gun laws a
clerical error or something like that. And then even if
a gun store found a missing gun and they reported it,
they got put on notice, and if it happened again, they.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Got put out of business. Yeah, and so that is done.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Hey, they are revising the forty four seventy three to
make it shorter. Now awesome, I mean, yeah, that's that's fantastic, and.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So I wonder what they're going to take out of it.
Have you heard of anything what they might be removing or.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think they're going back to your when you buy
a gun, you have to identify yourself as either a
boy or a girl. Good and that's it. I don't
think they have the other options or anything like that.
So that'll take away, you know, that'll that'll shorten it
up a little bit. What else, standardizing inspection and enforcement
(35:51):
practices for for dealers, So no more, no more of
this when they you know, one one state they have
one enforcement level and another state they have another enforcement level.
Let's see, they're going to allow electronic signatures on national
firearms for that kind of thing. Anyway, Bill, Well, we
(36:11):
can talk about this more later. But we've got a
fantastic time here. What a great.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Weekend, and I definitely am coming back. I'm gonna stay
over in Price. You're only ten minutes away. Great accommodations there,
a great restaurants there, as we found out last night.
Had a great time here, Clark.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Hopefully you learned something too. I learned not to dial
Theron's no dope. It's called dope. It's called dope for
a reason. Hey, thanks Dedding and Salt Lake. Appreciate all
your help. Yeah, and have a great weekend everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
We'll see you next week. The
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