Gun Radio Utah: Memorial Day Special

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A remembrance of a memorial Day this weekend, and we're
going to talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We've got a huge show.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Bill Patterson, my co host and director of Utah Shooting
Sports Council, is out because his wife had a birthday
and demanded that he take her to some big ditch,
a big ditch somewhere south of here anyway, So I
don't know if he's I don't know if he's gonna
call in or what. I don't know if they get

(00:28):
signal out there, I don't I don't know. But a
happy birthday to Karen, and thanks so much for taking
away my co host for the day. Anyway, We've got
a lot, an awful lot to talk about. We're going
to talk about short barreled rifles and shotguns and why
we shouldn't discriminate against shorter things like that, and suppressors,

(00:52):
if you silencers, if you will, you know Maxim who
developed the the suppressor or this can muffler that fits
on the end of your gun to diminish the sound
report after firing, actually called it a silencer. So there
you go, a can, a muffler, a suppressor, a silence.
I don't care then we're going to also talk about

(01:13):
f RT's f RTS. That's it just just those three letters,
forced reset triggers and what's what's happening with them? What
has happened I got to tell you with suppressors, short
world rifles, shotguns, other NFA items and f RT's there

(01:35):
has been more positive movement for the gun rights for
gun owners in the last I don't know, maybe since
January then I have seen in my lifetime. And so
we're going to talk about that threatening with a weapon?
Who hasn't done that? Why is it that?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Is that fun? Is that an activity anyway ending with
a weapon? Oklahoma just passed the law signed by their
governor this last week and regarding threatening with a weapon
making it easier to do. We're going to talk about that.
Does Utah have that? Does Utah need an update on that?

(02:19):
We're going to talk about our law and does it
differ from Oklahoma's and why is it important.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
To be allowed to threaten with a weapon legally.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm going to have an update on the University of
Utah on that motocross event that was what two weeks ago,
in which we got a report from one of our
listeners and confirmed that they were banning guns at this
event at Recycle Stadium.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So Utah Shooting Sports Council reached out to both legislators,
the UH the president of the University of Utah, and
you know versuity of Utah Police Department, and we have
a we have a response. They got back with us
and we chatted and anyways, and we'll give you the

(03:08):
update on that in addition.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So we've got all that.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
But I want to talk about you know, I as
I was here doing some prep work, Larry Gelwig, I
call him coach, and Larry Gelwig with the Travel Show
came out and we chatted for a while and about
Memorial Day. And that's why. You know, Memorial Day is

(03:35):
the day that Monday, the last Monday in May, set
aside to remember to memorialize in memory of service members
who died while in service. So it's not just veterans,
because that's Veterans Day, but Memorial Day is that day
that we set aside to remember those who died while

(03:59):
in service of their country, died for their country. It
used to be called to give you an easier way
to understand it. It used to be called Decoration Day.
I didn't know that, and it's been It wasn't officially,
you know, a federal holiday until what nineteen seventy one,

(04:20):
and I think that was nick I think wasn't Nixon
in office? Then I want to say that, yes, I
was alive. I am a boomer. I was alive during
that time. So but I think the first generalized recognition
memorialization was in eighteen sixty either eighteen sixty five or

(04:41):
eighteen sixty eight one at Arlington and then earlier than
that in Charleston, South Carolina. But you know, it reminds
me of a quote, and it's a quote that I
have next to my dad's picture while he was on
the USS Pawonye, either the Pawnee or the US s
Arctic during World War Two, and it says it's a

(05:06):
quote from George Canning, who was who Hey, he was
a former British Prime minister in the eighteen hundreds. I
think maybe I don't know anyway, his quote was one
of his quotes was when our perils are past, shall
our gratitude sleep? And that's why Memorial Day, hence that

(05:29):
root word memory. You remember those that gave their life, so,
you know, for their country, so that you could hopefully
honestly live your life for your country.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
So, hey, if you're hosting a barbecue today, get together
you know with family or friends or something, be that
person if no one else steps up, be that person
to I don't know, raise a glass of your favorite
soda or beverage or whatever it be, or to stand
up and say, you know, maybe before you do the

(06:07):
prayer over food, if you're going to do that, be
the person to remember memorial they remember, and maybe instruct
and inform, especially for those generations, the newer generations that
don't know what it's about. It ain't about you know,
fantastic sales on cars or beds or or you know

(06:30):
whatever memorial they blow out sales that kind of thing.
It goes much much deeper than that. And if we
forget these kind of things, you know, be the kind
of person live your life like, the kind of person
that lives their life for their country, and even small things,
I mean, goodness sakes, you know, you know, return your

(06:54):
dumb shopping cart to the cart corral. Don't drive drunk.
Don't be the kind of person that other peoples have
to react. That other people have to react to. Don't, don't,
you know, drive your military truck on your ex wife's lawn.
Not that that, not that that has ever happened or
anyone would ever do that or anything like that. But
but be that, But be that kind of person. Don't

(07:15):
take your refrigerator that's that you used, take it out
to uh to an outdoor area, shoot it and leave
it there as trash. Clean up after yourself for gonness sakes.
All right, So we're gonna be talking about about all that.
But yeah, you don't say happy Memorial Day. It's a

(07:36):
remembrance of Memorial Day. You recognize this Memorial Day. You
recognize the people that died in service of their country too,
so that we can live for that.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Okay, And what do we got on to? Oh? Why
this time goes so fast? All right?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
So, like I said, when we come back, we're gonna talk.
You know what, I'll give a quick update on the
u of U Motocross event. For those of you that
were wondering and chimed in and that took pictures and
sent them to us. I'll give you an update on that,
and then we're going to get into you know what.
I think we're going to get into the defensive display
law in Oklahoma and does Utah need one like that?

(08:16):
When we come back on Gun Radio Utah, stay right there,
and I'm your host for Gun Radio Utah, Bill Petterson,
who his co host is out on an excused absence today.
I have no idea what he's actually doing. So anyway,
we'll get on this defensive display in Oklahoma. And so
let me tell you do we need this? Do we

(08:36):
have it in Utah?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Ready?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So Governor Kevin Stitt signed Oklahoma HB twenty eight eighteen
into law last week or actually was about ten days ago.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Anyway, what it allows is.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
It basically puts into law and clarifies certain things you
can do with your gun that you carry. And they
have permitless carry like we do in defending yourself, you're
defending others in property.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And so it passed the House.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It passed the Oklahoma House seventy three to sixteen and
thirty nine to seven.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'll just bet I'm just gonna take a.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wild guess here what the makeup of the Oklahoma House
is regarding Republicans and Democrats. I'll bet it's seventy three
sixteen and thirty nine seven. Anyway, that's beside the point though,
So reading from the law for the purposes of this
sub section, defensive display of a firearm includes, but is

(09:36):
not limited to, verbally informing another person that you have
a gun.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Hey, I'm cutting off a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Be exposing or displaying a firearm or other deadly weapon
in a manner that is reasonable to say that you're
protecting yourself. Again, I'm parphrasing that part too. So a
lot of people call this brandishing. And does Utah have
a code section that discusses brandishing, Yes, we absolutely do.

(10:05):
It used to be seventy six two five oh six,
but now with the new recodification, take a look at
Utah gun laws. Just go to Utah Code. Just type
in Utah code in Google or something like that and
you'll find it. Go to seventy six dash eleven DASH
two oh seven. Seventy six eleven two oh seven is
our new what we call brandishing statute, even though we

(10:28):
don't use the word brandishing anywhere in the code. But
we have that, But do we need a more specific one?
So let's talk a little bit about that. You know,
Texas reaffirmed or recodified, not necessarily, they enhanced there for
lack of a better term, brandishing statute back in ninety three.

(10:49):
Arizona did it in two thousand and nine, Florida did
theirs in twenty fourteen, and Oklahoma did theirs in twenty
twenty five. Do we need to so, I've gotten I've
gotten a few phone and among some legislative groups that
I'm in, h we have talked about that, and I
you know, I don't know. Let's I've always said when

(11:11):
I'm training people, there's three basic things you can do
with a gun to get yourself back home to kind
of continue your way of life, and only one of
them is deadly force. You can brandish, you can point,
you can shoot, and so and the way you articulate
your and oh, by the way, all three of them

(11:33):
in Utah are illegal and are illegal in most states
unless you articulate that necessity, out of necessity to be
a self defense, that you needed to brandish or point
or shoot or maybe all three. Usually it's in that order,
though you wouldn't shoot somebody and then brandish. But anyway,

(11:53):
but it's not deadly forced to brandish. It's not deadly
forced to point. Although pointing a guy one of somebody
is a felony, is aggravated assault in most cases, unless
you can articulate that it was a necessity out of
self defense. But I've always said that brandishing or display
the firearm is It's not something I teach tactically. I

(12:17):
don't get out on the range and line everybody up
and say, all right, everybody, there's your target. It's all
brandish our gun to the target.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I actually it kind of include that in your access
and engagement. You know, you're grabbing your gun, you're moving
your covering garment to the side or whatever, and then
it's revealed. But this display, whether tactical or intentional, to intimidate,
let alone pointing is a less than lethal alternative to

(12:46):
the use of deadly force. And I think we find
that it really allows you to get back home safely
without you know, you're using your gun. You're still using
your gun. And a lot of people think using the gun,
the only way you can use your gun is to
shoot it.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well that's not.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Actually, we'll find the facts are in the data disproves
that most of the time a firearm is displayed or pointed,
it's not actually fired, but it results in a beneficial
thing for the defender to get back home.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
All right, So.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
We've got that, and it says, you know, to continue
with this. If a person reasonably fears a potential opponent.
This is on discussing this bill in Oklahoma, a defensive
display allows them to inform the potential adversary that they
are armed. So this bill, and I know we have

(13:45):
this in Utah code. It basically says, hey, man, I
got a gun, and I will shoot you. You don't
necessarily have to include that second party, but as I
got a gun, so you may want to rethink your
you know, aggress actions towards me, and then you can
display the firearm.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Pointing the firearm, it says, however, is usually reserved for
circumstances that would allow the use of deadly force.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
However, I got to disagree with you. Pointing the gun.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Although extremely high on that use of force continuum, is
not as high as actively shooting someone. That's much higher.
And so I'm going to hold that you don't necessarily
need to be in one hundred percent absolute necessity of
fear of life or fear of death or serious bottle

(14:41):
injury to point because if you were bypass pointing, I'm
going to tell you something tactically right now, bypass the
whole pointing thing, and shoot if you are worried about
not getting home, unless you unless you don't, if you don't, shoot.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So anyway, but it is aggravatus. It's a forcible felony.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
But like I said, you're gonna have some explaining to do, Lucy,
And with that, Yeah, that's the that's okay, the whole
explaining thing, all right. So now let's look at UTAH
and UTAH code, the new code seventy six eleven two
oh seven. It says it's called threatening with or using

(15:24):
a dangerous weapon in a fight or quarrel. So in
a fighter quarrel that kind of almost is like a
mutual kind of combat or combat by agreement. It's not
quite that, and in those you actually can't use deadly
for us. So it says later on in suption in
section five, in forming another individual of the actor's possession

(15:53):
of a dangerous weapon to prevent what the actor reasonably
believes or perceives as a possible use of unlawful force
by the individual, it says it is does not constitute
drawing or exhibiting a dangerous weapon if you just inform them, okay.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And it says does not.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Whether it's visible or concealed, does not automatically mean that
you are intimidating, you're trying to intimidate the other party.
But we've got all these But take a look at
seventy six eleven two O seven, and it basically says,
if you are displaying that firearm with the intent to
intimidate in an angry or threatening manner, in the presence

(16:38):
of two or more people in a non self defense situation,
you're going to be charged with a misdemeanor crime. But
if you are doing it in defense of yourself, that
is perfectly fine. But like I said, you're going to
have some splaining to do. You're going to have some
splain in to do. All right, I've got enough time.

(16:58):
I want to tell you about two of you. So anyway,
a couple of weeks ago, on the show, just moments
before the show started, we were informed the University of Utah,
the security at university, the contract security at University of Utah,
in connection with to some degree law enforcement you have
University of Utah Police Force were prohibiting people from entering

(17:21):
to a motocross event at the University of Utah Recycle
Stadium two weeks ago. And so further questioning, I said,
you know, did you have your permit? And they said yes.
Did you tell them you had to permit?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I did, and they still told me I had to
go back to my vehicle. So this guy walked like
a mile a mile and a half away with his family.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I don't know if he kept his.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Family there anyway, And then they let him come in,
and I said, well, they can't do that, and there
was some confusion, Well can they do it if the
event organizers, the motocross event organizers renting the entire facility,
and do they control what can come in and come out? Yeah,

(18:04):
to some degree they can, but not guns. That's a
public place. Now, if it were a private entity, a
private place, which I don't think we have.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Any private venues that big here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
But if it were a private place, then yeah, they
can band whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's private property.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
But this is public property and as such, you can
rend it all you want, but you can't stop somebody
that lawfully has that ability to carry a firearm. So
so yeah, we immediately reached out to some appropriate legislators.
In fact, I think we had Representative Trevor Leon talking

(18:41):
about this, and they, along with others, contacted the University
of Utah President's office, and we contacted University Police department.
And I got a call last week for a follow
up by University of Utah Police Department. Let's see, try
to think if she was a lieutenant or a commander

(19:03):
or she wasn't chief, but anyway, and she assured me
that in their briefings prior to the event, they instructed
law enforcement and security to yes, absolutely not ban not
disallowed to affirmatively allow those with concealed weapon permits into
the facility because they have what they call and if

(19:24):
I want to say, it's an evolve security system which
automatically dings ding ding ding if you come through with
a gun. It has it's like AI powered or whatever,
and it can detect that firearm with fairly, you know,
consistent accuracy, and then they'll they're supposed to ask the person,
do you have a gun? Yeah, okay, do you have

(19:46):
a permit? Because still right now you have to have
a permit to carry at the University of Utah even
at these events in that and so supposedly that system
tracks how many guns it finds. What the outcome of
it was was the person denied, you know, because they
didn't have a permit were they allowed in So they
were able to actually look at that, and they said

(20:09):
it wasn't happening at all of the entrances. But that
they reaffirmed to me, and I'm reaffirming to you that
the university understands the weapon policy that is allowed by
the state of Utah. They cannot ban you if you
lawfully are in possession of that gun, and we are

(20:31):
looking you know, it's no surprise we are looking to
change that a little bit by saying your permitless carry,
as long as you're laf lobiding person, you're lawfully allowed
to have the gun, permitlessly carried, constitutional carry, whatever, then
you can carry the University of Utah tooo.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
So all right, when we come.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Back, we've got lots more to talk about the Short
Act and the Shush Act and FRTs.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
So you stay tuned. I'll be right back. It's a
little messed up, is it? Not?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Everything you want your gun to be? Are you embarrassed
when you take it to the range because of all
the scratches on it, or that it that it's worn out.
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse, you can take it down to
him at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City, or you can give him a call if

(21:23):
you have questions eight one three oh four eighty seventy
eight to one three zero four eighty seventy. They can
take care of whatever is ailing your gun. If you
want it jazzed up or as Casey Jane would want
it bedazzled, stay away from the guns, Casey Jane.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Anyway, they can do that. Or you can take it
into any.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Of the over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations.
The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse will take care of it
all right. So suppressors, huge movement in suppressor availability, permissibility,
acquire acquire ability, acquired acquiring acquire ability, the ability to

(22:08):
acquire a suppressor, a canem, a muffler uh h R
one Oba. The one big beautiful bill act deep, very
deep inside of it. There was an addition and then
it was taken out and then it was added again.

(22:29):
And what is uh, let's see the New republic says,
Republicans sneak terrifying gun law change into Trump's budget bill.
It's terrifying gun law change, which for me means, hey,
that's fantastic. Does it mean it's a free that you
you get a free suppressor once you're twelve years old,

(22:53):
supplied by the federal government.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, it does not. Basically it takes the control.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It takes a little bit, well quite a bit of
the control the federal government had over a hearing protection device.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
That's honestly what this is for.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's not you know, I joked around with with with
our good friend Mike Pappus with dead air. I think
it was last week was last Yeah, last week was
the uh was shoe top And I said, just assassins
use these things?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
They aren't.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh my gosh, it's in most of the cans are
used when when they do a survey of them. Most
of these cans are used on bolt action hunting rifles
to protect the hearing. All right, And so now so
it passed the House. It passed the House by one vote.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
What was the vote? Two?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Like two fifteen to two sixteen or something like that.
It was a super two fifteen to two fourteen. And
there were a few Democrats or a few Republicans that
actually voted. Press that's the what a what a weeny
thing to do anyway, uh And so it just barely
it It passed, long story short, it passed, and what

(24:10):
does it do? It did more than we had hoped, actually,
because not only does it take the two hundred dollars
transfer tax off the table, it takes the registry of
this suppressor off the table too.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
It takes it out of.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
The National Firearms Act, which for you know, like one
hundred years now has almost you know, in the thirty
four thirty two.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
It it's about tax, and tax is about control, and
the power to tax is the power to destroy, so
to speak. But it was it wasn't about It wasn't
necessarily about the money. It's about the registration and the tax,
you know, the taxing. But it doesn't change. You can
so in other words, you can go and buy a

(25:00):
suppressor if it passes the Senate, and we're pretty sure
that it'll get signed by the governor. But the senatece
a whole nother animal and if it passes in its form,
then you can just go to the store and buy
the suppressor. And as far as how it looks now,
you can't buy it through the mail.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Even though I did get one through the mail, Legally.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
You would still fill out a form because I still
they're still going to be considered.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Firearms for some weird reason.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
And you'd have to be twenty one to buy it,
so it'd be like a handgun.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
But that doesn't change right now.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Any person who can lawfully buy a handgun through an
FFL in their state can buy a suppressor right now.
You just have to pay the tax stamp and wait.
It used to be you know, up to a year
for some stupid reason to get the paperwork back to
say yeah, you can actually have your hearing protection device.

(26:08):
So now it would just be you walk in, you
pay your money, they do the background check, still like
you're buying a handgun, and boom you go, so that
it's not you know this, this whole tax stamp and
registration thing wasn't for the elite, the person that's never
had a traffic ticket or anything like that. You could
buy one if you could buy a handgun, so Anyway,

(26:30):
there was a lot of misunderstanding in when they were
talking about this on the floor, and in fact, what
is Massachusetts Representative Jim McGovern quite frankly, he says, quoting
what is in the Reconciliation bill, that's basically the Reconciliation

(26:50):
Bill is a budget type bill, and we called this
a budget. This was correctly placed into the budget bill
because it's a tax. The Supreme Court said, this whole
NFA thing, this whole scheme that they're doing, it's nothing
more than a tax. They the Supreme Court has actually
said that it's all about the tax, it's not about

(27:12):
anything else. And he says, what's in the record, Reconciliation
bill does more to support assassins than it does American families.
Oh my gosh, how melodramatic is that. So you know, anyway,
you got to call your centator. Though, Let's get this

(27:32):
done by the fourth of July. Let's get this bill
unchanged at least with regards to suppressors through the Senate.
But the key thing is it's gotta be unchanged because
they're gonna have this. They're gonna want to one strike
it completely, they're gonna want to two keep it in

(27:52):
the NFA, maybe take the two hundred dollars tax off,
but still keep it in the NFA. So you still
have to, you know, send in all the paperwork, CONNEC
kind of stuff. Now, No, no, treat it like a
treat it like a handgun, if you will. Honestly, since
it's a hearing protection device and cannot on its own
ever harm anyone.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You should just be able to buy him through the
mail like you.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Can and FRT trigger now and as we'll talk about
that in a bit if we have time. But anyway,
now what we'd also like and this would mean it
would have to go back to the house, but add
in the Short Act sho RT act uh and what
the short Short Act stands for? Stop harassing owners of

(28:38):
rifles today. Yeah, so anyways, you know what, I think
I'll have enough time. We'll talk about that when we
come back. But first I do want to tell you
hang on second, Denny. Oh, I want to give a
big shout out to Denny. Denny is here on Memorial
Day weekend. Big thank you. I didn't think for some
I didn't think we were going to have a producer here.

(29:00):
And not only do we have a producer. We have
the world's best producer. So big thanks to Denny for
being here, because I didn't think. I thought, you know,
he's gonna be gone in that. Hey, let me tell
you about flash my Brass. They have a weekend sale. Fantastic,
fantastic sale. Let me get the let me get the addresses.
Here with the addresses. Oh yeah, four thirty eight West,

(29:23):
one hundred and twenty third South in Draper. Then they've
got another one in orm which I'm not exactly Oh,
here it is. The ORM is eighteen oh two sand
Hill Road in orm, Utah. And they have some fantastic,
really fantastic deals. And if you find an advertised price
less and you bring it into them, they will meet

(29:43):
that price or maybe beat that price.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, they'll beat it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
To give an idea nine Mili factory FMJ rounds one thousand,
nine MILI rounds, two hundred and twenty nine bucks. They
have three hundred blackout two hundred and fifty round case
than forty nine bucks. Run down to flash my Brass
and you can find more flashmy Brass dot com.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
When we come back. We've got lots more to go.
Stay tuned. I got to play a quote, welcome back
to cutting radio.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Utah. Let me see if I can. Oh yeah, okay,
now we're going to talk about US Congress. Just they
get especially one side when it comes to guns. Probably
should ask for help, ask for a phone, a friend,
or something along those lines, because they literally thought McGovern

(30:33):
I think it was Massachusetts Representative McGovern actually thought that
if they took the tax off of suppressors, that it's
a free for all, that you could just buy them
through the mail, that you could, you know, do your
own all right, So let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Let me see if I got that queued up there? Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And this is the same kind of logic in discussing
bump stocks and pistol braces.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Firm what miss McBath just said, This stabilizing brace, when
coupled with a buffer tube, operates as a bump stock.
Bumstocks are prohibited in this legislation.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, did you hear that this stabilizing brace, when cuffled
with a buffer tube turns it into a bumpstock, which
is a machine gun.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I there are so many.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Misunderstandings in one sentence that it's dizzying, a dizzying cacophony
of misunderstandings by the hand ringing bedwetters. All right, so
oh that was mister Siciline. I don't know where he's
out of anyway. So let's talk about that. The Short
Act stop harassing owners of rifles today. So when we're

(31:48):
talking about rifles and shotguns, a shotgun must have a
barrel length of eighteen inches or more, and a rifle
must have a barrel length of sixteen inches or more
to be legal. And if you were to cut that
off even at half an inch, a quarter inch or

(32:09):
something below those those minimums, then you have a short
barreled rifle or a short barreled shotgun, which if it's
not registered and a tax paid, a tax paid, and
when you pay the tax, it is then registered.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And controlled.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
And you, oh, by the way, don't travel to another
state without asking mother, may I? Yeah, you have that
perfectly legal in your state of Utah. You want to
go across the border into the Nevada side of Wendover
and go shooting at the cool long distance range out there, Nope,
you got to ask the ATF for permission to do that.

(32:51):
And yeah, if you don't do that, you're also again
you know problem. So they want to take those things away.
So there's another a bill that's been around for a
long time. There's nothing new in this one. It basically
does the same thing, and it takes that. It reduced
the entire NFA tax stamp to zero, and I think

(33:12):
they've modified it in this one. I'm pretty sure they've
modified it in this one to just reduce the NFA
tax stamp to zero. But there still may be some
control because it still may be regulated by the NFA.
But anyway, so GA reading from the Gun Owners of
America deal there, it says passing the tax repeal language

(33:35):
in the Short Act would prevent the weaponization of the
National Firearms Act been around since the thirties against gun owners.
So when the Biden administration attempted to ban this is
what the stabilizing braces attempted to ban forty million pistols
equipped with those braces. They used the nineteen thirty four

(33:58):
NFA's barrel length restraints that sixty inch deal as justification
for charging millions of Americans with felonies, despite the fact
that these accessories were approved previous to the Biden administration
quite a few times. By the they were approved by
the ATF for over a decade, and then the Biden

(34:21):
administration comes in and they said, oh, and the ATF
was like, we didn't see the own now their short
barreled rifles. Before they weren't we get that, But now
something happened in the ethereal and now they are and
you're a felon if you have that.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You're a terrible, terrible felon if you have that.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
And so anyway, so now they're they're given grief this
The House Democrats are giving grief on both the Shush Act,
the Suppressor Act or portion in that budget, and on
the Short Act by saying you can't do this this way.
This is this requires a different kind of a vote,

(35:03):
a more than majority vote, especially in the Senate. You
need sixty votes, not just fifty one votes. And with
the Senate and the makeup the way it is, they're
not going to get sixty votes. So they're doing it
what they call reconciliation or a budget type of thing,
which only requires one more than half. But they're saying
because it's regulatory, Well, the Supreme Court disagrees and says

(35:25):
that the tax stamp regulation with the NFA is nothing
more than a tax.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's a regulatory tax.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yet they don't have a problem with the following things
that are taking away the excise tax.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Uh, what is it?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
The repeal of let me put my let me put
my glasses on here anyways, well I had them.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Oh here they are, they're on my head.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
The repeal of excise tax on indoor tanning services.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
They didn't have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
The repeal of the excise tax on repurchase of corporate
stocks and so on and so forth. But they do
have a problem with the repeal of the excise tax
on suppressors, short road rifles, short.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
World shotguns, that type of thing.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
And so anyways, contact your senator, Contact your senator. We
have too, We have Curtis, and we have Lee. I
don't think Lee's would be a problem, but let's find
out what Curtis says in his office. No amendments, no
bad amendments to this bill on suppressors and that, and

(36:29):
get the short Act included in that bill, because right
now it's not there.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
All right, what else do we have? I think that's it.
It doesn't matter what else we have, because that's it. Denny,
thank you very much. Enjoy your extended weekend.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Be safe out there if you go shooting, Clean up
after yourselves until next week.