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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bark a potion sitting across from me virtually. Bill Petterson,
Director Utah Shooting Sports Council, And what a beautiful, beautiful
day it is here at Ghost Eye Manor in beautiful
You went to county?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How is it down there in Salt Lake County.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Salake County. It's gorgeous as well suns out. It's a
little murky and smoggy in that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But suns out turns out gorgeous. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It could be done smoked for all I know.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, you know I did. I snuck away even
though we had a hearing. We had a committee hearing
on HB four twenty five, the dastardly Concealed carry in
Fee Increase Bill, and that was it. Why they put
it on a Friday, and why at four o'clock, also
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why I couldn't come up. So anyways, I snuck out
early this morning and headed back to you into County,
and my neighbor tells me that they're going to be
doing some he He warned me, we're going to be
doing some canal road because we bordered the canal road
and they're gonna be doing some canal road burning and
burning in the Canal road, so I thought, So I
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got out there early, as soon as I got there,
and I stashed a bunch of fireworks in the in
the weeks, so I think i'll know when they get
to that spot.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Let us know when they start gilling off.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
A little little shout out to Jason on there and
for doing that. No, anyway, Bill, We've we are quickly
coming up on the last full week of the session.
Today is March first. If you're listening to this, do
you realize it is March first?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Today?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Wow, it's session's gone by fairly quick. A little bit
of changes up there this last week that I know.
The parking's getting a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Which I haven't noticed it getting any easier, I don't know.
And especially when you're even the trucks like we do.
You'll pass by, I'll pass by a spot in between
on the road and I'll think I can get into there,
and no I can't. So anyway, and especially with the
with the trailer hitch, I got to take that trailer
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hitch off. So all right, So what what we're going
to talk about today? We've got a lot of things
and next week, well next week a little thing. We're
gonna have Mike Jones with the sport with the Gunsmith
of Sportsman's Warehouse and have that on. We're gonna be
talking about what's going on up at the Hill. And
we've got a special treat for us today, Representative Carrie
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and Lizenbee House Majority Whip, and we've got some questions
for her on her bill and because yeah, there was
some movement on HB one thirty three, not in a
good way either, So anyway, we'll we'll ask for an
update on that. And oh you know what, I got
to do it right now. I got to do a
shout out. So I was out shopping and uh Fred
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Fred over in Sandy. Fred he knows who he is.
He helped me out. He helped me find I was.
I was really looking for for a gift for somebody.
And it's interesting because I would have never purchased these before.
Chinese Throwing Stars. You ever had those?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bill? Well?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, are they back in the style again?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean I don't know if they did they ever
leave style?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Did they ever? Really? These are some official really they're weighted.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Appropriate anyway, I don't know, but Chinese Throwing Stars.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, So I really want to know, how do you
categorize these official from the d.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I, what's that? No, they're they're Chinese throwing stars.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah from the d I what about them? And that's
official Chinese stars?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
They have got they have a certificate and everything. So anyway,
all right, so but a big thanks, a big thanks
to Fred. We chatted about this, and we chatted about
firearm and Second Amendment rights and gun laws and all
sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So yeah, anyways, hey Clark, real quick, speaking of shoutouts,
I got to give a shout out to Dave over
in Utah Safe.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Outlet and his guys.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They brought in my brand new yellowstone here in the
old office studio today and it's it's looking pretty sharp.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I can see the safe and to me, first off,
it's not yellow. It's not even close to yellow. It's
not even a shade of yellow. And to me, it
looks like a walk in safe as if there was.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Should have been a vault door. I can take it
and use it as a.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Vault door, you could. I guess you're gonna have to
open up the back end of the hand. So how
do people so while you're going to do a shout out.
You better give Dave's info. Do you have his info handy.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
All the time?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You don't tack them out that four eighty three West
three twenty five South and Bountiful of Utah. Or give
them a call at eight one two four seven two
three three. Their hours are Monday through Friday ten am
to six pm, and tell them you heard us, You
heard the big shout out on gun Radio Utah. And
I know those guys will do something really nice for you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, so they won't do anything nice if you don't
say that because I do.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Something that they really like our gun radio listeners.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So all right, So because this is you really only
have to listen to one more week of Utah legislature
stuff up on the hill, I'll tell you a few bills.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That are moving.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well. One we just heard HB one O four Firearm
Safety in Schools moving right along this last week. That
that basically requires mandates firearms safety education in schools K
through twelve, so K through six it'll be done three times,
and I think twice in seven through twelfth grade.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And no it does not.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, all the detractors are wringing their hands over
there saying they're going to teach kids how to use guns,
how to load and unload and that kind of stuff. No, folks,
this is just safety. And so anyway, safety if a
kid you know, sees a gun at home, sees a
gun at school, these finds out, you know, their their
buddy has a gun in his backpack as he's coming
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to school, might be a good thing to tell a
to tell an adult about them.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So they're not double you know, they're not tapping magazines
on their desks and throwing them to their teacher in
case of a shootout.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Muh bill, there's always next year. So I know that's
what I know. That's an amendment you wanted. So I
think we're going to have to have that as a standalone.
So anyway, that is moving right along. It needs one
more vote, folks. It is on It's HB one zero four.
It's on the second the Senate second reading calendar, which
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basically in the last few days of the session they
just kind of combined second and third reading. Long story short.
If it's number sixty three, So what happens is is
it is if they just they take them in order,
so it's it's sixty third down the list. However, when
you get into the last three days of the session,
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they clear those, they wipe the board, and then they
get they get put back on in the order of
the House or the Senate. And so both the House
and the Senate are hearing these bills, and if it's
a House bill, they clear all the House bills off
the board, and then they ask the House, how do
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you want them in?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What order do you want them to put back on?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And so it's a prioritization, a shuffling, a sifting, a
you know that kind of thing. So it may bump up,
it may bump down, you never know, all right, So
then we had we have an interesting one. So another
good one age eight. We may or may not talk
about that in a little while. But dangerous weapons at
school amendments. Essentially it started out and that's all I say.
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It started out as us, if a kid brings a
miner brings a gun to school, they're going to get
charged the same way they would as if an adult.
Because we just didn't have a statue specific or that
that had a crime for a minor if they brought one.
It was kind of an oversight. So, uh, what do
we got, Oh, should we talk about? Should we talk about?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You know what, We're out of time in this segment,
but when we come back, uh pretty soon, we're going
to have Representative Carrie analysmby the House Majority Whip. We're
going to talk about HB one thirty three and uh
see what's in store for it if anything.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So stay tuned. We'll be right back on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And we've got Clark Aposch and our director and chairman
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council out at ghosts Ie.
I'm so glad to have you here with us on
this beautiful Saturday afternoon. And hey, you know, I can't
thank our listeners enough and also our members enough for
reaching out to the representatives on these alerts that we've
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been sending out last couple of weeks. You can always
get active participate on these alerts as well also as
they come up by going over to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil
dot org and sign up for our email alerts. There's
a tab right at the top says alerts. Click on that,
put in your email address, and be aware. No one
(09:34):
will contact you, no one will spam you, no one
will ask you to do anything. We do keep these
email addresses very sacred and only call upon you when
we were in need of your assistance and having you
reach out to your representatives. But we do appreciate all
of our members and all of our listeners that have fulfilled.
(09:55):
We have had many comments during legislation sessions, in the
committe hearing, a committee meeting hearings where they've said, yeah,
they've got you know, Barraged Clark on a number of emails.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That our members have sent them to help push some
of these bills through.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And uh, it's you know, it's not it's not Clark,
it's not myself, it's not any other board members. It's
it's our our members that pull the biggest weight, and
we're just privileged to be in the driver's seat helping
to guide some of these bills in their correct directions.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean they you know, our listeners are our members,
and the people that contact on on behalf of themselves,
on behalf of us or or anything like that, they
are the gun lobby.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They really are. They're the gun lobby.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Hey, quick research talking about gun Well, I don't know
if it's gun lobby, but John Lott's group crimeresearch dot org.
Crime research dot org can use your help, uh the
uh Go to crime Researchers dot org and you can
look at all the different articles, the interviews, the radio,
TV op eds, everything. If you have a topic that
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you need to brush up on on gun rights or
anything like that, go to crime Research dot org. While
you're there, hit the donate button and throw a few dollars,
a few dollars that way, it will be money well
spent as well.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, so brag we weren't fortunate to get any of
that US AID money.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, that would have been nice. Bad on us
to not know about it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I didn't know that was that I didn't know
which trough to feed off of the USA. Yeah, I
mean yeah, the anti gun groups were literally getting money
from USA. That was I thought that was supposed to
anyway go to foreign nations or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And you know that's been going on.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'd like to find the timeline of when that started.
And because you got to know that names like Eric
Holder and the rest of them, Bill Clinton, Obama, by
Debt Biden and there askmat something to do with it,
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and in fact you know what, Okay, so let me
tell you what happened to our big bill, our big, big,
huge bill sponsored by Representative Cary Analyss in BHB one
thirty three. It died in committee. Yeah, it died in committee.
How did it die? Well, let's see, there were six
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people in the committee at the time. There's actually more
than that on the committee, but they were absent. One
was online, and we had one so one Democrat was online,
one Democrat was there.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Probably two of the.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Most liberal Democrats are on the Senate Government Operations Committee,
which is kind of a weird committee.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Don't you a great bill?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
A weird committee to have a gun bill, especially a
gun un bill of this magnitude.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, we're seeing a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
See, we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And the word is that's the committee that if Senate
leadership doesn't lack a bill, they send it to that
committee to die.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I've said it, I've said it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And we had two Republicans side with two of the
most liberal Democrats and vote to kill that bill.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was a two to four vote.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, So Senator Thatcher and Senator Winterton, my senator out
here in Newentton County, voted for the bill. Said this
is a good bill, no problem. It's it really is.
It was essentially a recodification to make things easier to understand,
to make gun laws easier to understand, for for Utah citizens,
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for law enforcement, for the courts, for the legislature. Makes
it easier to understand because I would have led research,
I'd have attorneys, I'd have legislators call me throughout the
year and say, hey, Clark, can you can you explain
this section to Gode To me, I said, sure, you
have to go back to you have to go back
to seventy six ten five oh four, and then you
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go over to seventy six ten five twenty three and
see the exception and blah blah blah. Anyway, we had
a great attorney with ledged research that did some fantastic work.
A little shout out to Shad and they're nonpartisan, but
I got to tell you, this guy knows his gun
laws now. So anyway, that bill is dead until uh,
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well we'll find out what Representative Lismby's going to do
with it. But it is gone. And you know the
reasons why it died. There were two reasons given, and
I thought Represented Lisenby did a fantastic job of answering
the concerns of these two senators Vicker and MIKEL mckel
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brought up that he didn't like the idea even though
we've been doing it for years on end, technically never
not been able to do it. Have a loaded rifle
in your vehicle if you choose to, you don't have to.
Just because you have a rifle doesn't mean you have
to have it loaded in your vehicle. And so if
you had to permit, you were able to do that.
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And he said that because he as I recall, and
you can listen to the recording, but he was driving
around with a friend and the friend almost shot his
foot off.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So Bill, what do you think? I mean, I I.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Out and dropped my job, Like you said that in committee, okay,
and you said that about your friend about shooting your
I mean, I'm like, okay, what else was going on
that shouldn't have been going on that.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Caused that to happen?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And I'm I don't let your stupidity, because that's what
we don't want to do, is we don't want to
legislate to stupidity, but legislative common sense.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And I was, yeah, I was really shocked about that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, I mean to almost shoot your foot off. Then
you've got so because one state senator had of questionable intelligence.
A friend, I'm just going to go out on a
lemon and say that because I've carried loaded firearms in
my vehicle, both rifles, pistol, shot guns all the time,
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and never accidentally almost shot my foot off or somebody
else's foot off.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And so because they did that and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Had that, you realize there had to be a violation
of muscle direction. There had to be a violation of
trigger finger you know now. Because of that, that was
the I think the main reason why he couldn't vote
for the bill, even though that was the tiniest And
when I'm talking about the tiniest, I'm talking like one
percent of the bill. And and so we'll talk to
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represent of Lisenby and just a sec here. I've gotta
get a different way to get her on though. And
so but let me play this is what I think
has happened. I think there's been some brainwashing about guns
to both Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And so let me get this. Let me pull this
thing up.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
This is Eric Holder, and this is before he's Attorney general,
and this is a live well, on't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
If it was live.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I guess it was live in nineteen ninety five c
Span and he said this about firearms.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Listen carefully.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I've also asked the school board to make a part
of every day some kind of anti violence, anti gun
message every day every school at every level. One thing
that I think is clear with young people and with
adults as well, is that we just have to be
repetitive about this. It's not enough to simply have a
catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it
every Monday. We need to do this every day of
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the week and just really brainwash people into thinking of
guns in a vastly different way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Did he say did he.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Say what I think he just said, Bill, I mean
he said brainwash, right, he said the quiet part out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Loud is another way of saying that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And yeah, they have been doing this just because he
said that it did happen, and it has been happening,
and they have been brainwashing us for so long that
you know, people that even people in the industry, people
that have AR fifteen's, refer to them as oh I
got an assault rifle or oh yeah, I heard about
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this gun violence as opposed to other kinds of violence.
And you know it's it's these these same kind of
terms get inundated into everyday talk even amongst us gun people. Now,
I try to I try to not say assault rifle
so much unless I'm really thinking about assaulting.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You know that. Anyway, So we.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, I feel bad because we did try to
ameliorate the concerns, but it just didn't work. Okay, So
what I'm gonna do is when we come back, we're
gonna have carry Anne listenby, Representative Carryenne Listenby on and
just to tell Denny, Denny, I'm gonna go ahead and
get a hold of her on my end and that
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way we'll patch her right through. So all right, when
we come back on gun Radio Utah, stay tuned. Welcome
back to gun Radio, Utah. You don't start talking during
cross talk because then you know you're not.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Anyways, I'm sorry, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So anyway, we're back to gun Radio Utah. No apologies
and so hey, huge special surprise, not really a surprise
because I brought it up earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
We have Representative carry Anne.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Listenby House District fourteen and the majority whip in the House.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Thanks for being on gun Radio Utah representative.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, we've got one week left. It ends at midnight
on the on Friday. Sign a die. What does sign
a dye mean?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's last?
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Oh my goodness, I don't speak that. I need to
look that up.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I think it just means something about being finally done.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And so that's all folks, or something like that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So anyway, because I always here, and I always think
I always I always say that the Senate always saying
sign a die, and they say it with such such
authority and all that, and they get all puffed up
when they say sign a die, and and I always think.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I bet they don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So anyway, all right, well, I know it means like, yeah,
that's that's it for that's the end.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's the end.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So hey, can we talk about Do you want to
talk about HB one thirty three?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Do you want to do you want to go there?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Okay, let's go there.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, let's go there. What happened?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Well, uh, you know, I think early on when we
had it in the recodification subcommittee. Uh, a person who
kind of runs a blog in the state of Utah
and used to work for the Tribune put on an
article I totally misread the bill and put on an
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article with a you know, glaring headline that was completely false,
didn't reflect what the bill actually did, and that started
kind of a firestorm, I think in the media.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
And we did get an article out.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
There that actually reflected what the bill did, and I
felt did a pretty good job.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
But as you know, it's sometimes hard.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
To to clarifying clear the message. And so when this
bill got into the Senate committee, it passed the House past,
House committee, passed the House floor, and we actually had
a lot more opposition in the House committee, but we
had a lot more support as well. There's a lot
more public comment there in the Senate committee. It failed
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to pass, and I think your listeners probably are aware
of what the bill did.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Is that Craig Well that is, But you know what,
let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The vast majority of the bill was what the.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Vast majority of the bill was recodification. So it was
it was changing the code to make it more clear
so that Utah residents, courts, law enforcement, everybody could know
what they could and could not do in the dangerous
weapons space. And it's important for citizens in a republic
like we live in to know their rights and right
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now it's really difficult, as you know, clerk to read
through our Second Amendment Code.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And go oh yeah, I can totally do this or
I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So I mean, I mean for sure, and it is
very important to know the law, especially when it comes
to gun law, because violations of those can get you
sometimes into really big trouble.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
They can't hear so actually, Bill, we can hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So just thought, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Sorry about it's live radio and I've got a live
audience in my studio and so it's like, oh, sorry,
I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I was muted, so okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So then so requalification was I don't know if you
want to put it at ninety six percent of the
bill and ninety eight okay, And then I know there
was clarification and then there was changes.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
So there was clarification where you know the code was
being misinterpreted. It wasn't necessarily that the code wasn't clear
in those places, but that it was being misinterpreted. And
then there were other places where there there's been recent
development in case law or uh there there just needed
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to be a policy call and so we made a
policy call. So one of those spaces was in carrying
of a long gun, so a shotgun or a rifle
in a vehicle. And currently in use out code, you can,
if you can sell carry permit holder, carry a loaded
rifle or a shotgun in your vehicle, but if you're
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not a permit holder, you can't. And so we just
said in the bill you just can, and so anybody can.
You don't have to be a permit holder to do so. Well,
that that.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Was something that you know, was seemed to be kind
of a.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Trigger point ignore the pun in Senate committee to to just.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Vote against the bill and.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
So but it but again, it's not about is it
safe to do this, it's about who can do this?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And in current law you can.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You can, you absolutely can. Eighteen year olds can't. Yeah,
so with the permit and that, Hey, where do we
go from here?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Well, excellent question.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
So we I plan to refile the bill in May,
and we're gonna do it again next year.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I'm going to have it open early. We'll go through
the process.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Again and at least this time, you know, I think
we worked out all the bugs and the kinks and
it's ready to go and we won't need to change
it at all, and we can move forward and get there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So when you refile the bill in May, will it
be it'll be public at that.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Point, right, I will make it public because we've already
had this long process.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So nothing to hide. And if you have some of
objections to it, they should probably come out before the
fifth week of the session right the next year.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I agree, I absolutely they should.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
In fact, this bill has been public since November interim,
so it's been public for almost four or five months.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So I find it and I'm just going to say
you don't have to agree or disagree. I find it
inappropriate and in an anathma to the system that Utah
citizens expect of our legislature to have a bill that's
been public for four or five months and then have
a key legislator in a decision making committee bring up
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something that hasn't been brought up before and that was
incorrect at the beginning and vote against it. So there
I've said it. Now let's talk about some of our successes.
You know, Representative McPherson has been really making some good bills.
He had one called Firearm Retention Amendments, which dealt with
plays and abeyances. Can you can you speak to that one?
(27:05):
I know you've got a million bills. I don't know
I can remind you on that one.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
So I actually don't have that one open. I had
a bunch of our bills up. I can tell you
about successes. But what's the number, Lenking.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's one ninety five. It's first sub one ninety five.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And basically what it does is if you get a
plea in abeyance for a crime that the underlying crime
wouldn't or would have prevented you from owning a gun,
then the plea in abeyance can write in there you
can't have guns during the plea in abeyance period. But
if the crime itself that you're getting a plea in
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abeyance for, which means basically it's like a six months
to a one year window where you're kind of guilty,
then it wouldn't. Then they can't write in Judges prosecutors
can't write in there that you can't have guns.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, it's an excellent bill.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, and so it's on Senate third reading. It's moving
right along.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, and reb McPherson. McPherson, because he's Scottish kid. He
is fabulous. He has just run so much good legislation
this year, not only in the gun space but in
the criminal justice space with his Unlicensed driver bill. So
I'm good you've been following that one, but I haven't.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I try to stay laser focused on the gun stuff
because he did have another one, and I'm trying to
remember which one it is, but it's essentially has a
February twenty second to twenty.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Two one three.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
It's the firearm tax holiday, right yep, sales tax holiday
for firearm safety and storage devices.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah. I think that's a great one. It's it's been needed.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I am so glad that he ran that one, and
it's moving, it's moving right along.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Hey what just before we.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Go, just didn't say, like forty five seconds, can you
if you're if you're following this one at all? HB
one oh four Representative Rex ships Bill on Firearms Safety
Education and Schools.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yes, So we actually heard this in our House Education
Committee and Rex did a great job presenting the bill.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It requires LA's or.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Local education agencies to provide firearms safety instruction to students,
and so I don't know why this is controversial, right,
I mean, wouldn't we want our students to be aware
of firearm safety because even if there's not a firearm
in the home, there's a chance, a very high likelihood
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that that student may come across a firearm at some
point in their lives, and having at least a rudimentary
knowledge of how to handle that situation is really important.
So the bill requires the instruction at least three times
while the students in K through six, and then it
also requires it at least twice in middle school and
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once in high school. So it's kind of, you know
that let's create some retention here, let's go over this
important topic, and let's make sure that we're repeating it
for these students.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And so I'm going to go ahead and file this
one under and it's moving right along. It is in
it's in the Senate, so it needs one more vote.
File it under Education is better than ignorance. So all right,
Representative Lizzenbie, will you will you hang? Will you hang
with us for the last segment?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
When we come back on gun Radio, Utah, We've got
lots more to talk about.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Stay tuned.
Bark a potion sitting across from me virtually. Bill Petterson,
Director Utah Shooting Sports Council, And what a beautiful, beautiful
day it is here at Ghost Eye Manor in beautiful
You went to county?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How is it down there in Salt Lake County.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Salake County. It's gorgeous as well suns out. It's a
little murky and smoggy in that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But suns out turns out gorgeous. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It could be done smoked for all I know.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, you know I did. I snuck away even
though we had a hearing. We had a committee hearing
on HB four twenty five, the dastardly Concealed carry in
Fee Increase Bill, and that was it. Why they put
it on a Friday, and why at four o'clock, also
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why I couldn't come up. So anyways, I snuck out
early this morning and headed back to you into County,
and my neighbor tells me that they're going to be
doing some he He warned me, we're going to be
doing some canal road because we bordered the canal road
and they're gonna be doing some canal road burning and
burning in the Canal road, so I thought, So I
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got out there early, as soon as I got there,
and I stashed a bunch of fireworks in the in
the weeks, so I think i'll know when they get
to that spot.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Let us know when they start gilling off.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
A little little shout out to Jason on there and
for doing that. No, anyway, Bill, We've we are quickly
coming up on the last full week of the session.
Today is March first. If you're listening to this, do
you realize it is March first?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Today?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Wow, it's session's gone by fairly quick. A little bit
of changes up there this last week that I know.
The parking's getting a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Which I haven't noticed it getting any easier, I don't know.
And especially when you're even the trucks like we do.
You'll pass by, I'll pass by a spot in between
on the road and I'll think I can get into there,
and no I can't. So anyway, and especially with the
with the trailer hitch, I got to take that trailer
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hitch off. So all right, So what what we're going
to talk about today? We've got a lot of things
and next week, well next week a little thing. We're
gonna have Mike Jones with the sport with the Gunsmith
of Sportsman's Warehouse and have that on. We're gonna be
talking about what's going on up at the Hill. And
we've got a special treat for us today, Representative Carrie
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and Lizenbee House Majority Whip, and we've got some questions
for her on her bill and because yeah, there was
some movement on HB one thirty three, not in a
good way either, So anyway, we'll we'll ask for an
update on that. And oh you know what, I got
to do it right now. I got to do a
shout out. So I was out shopping and uh Fred
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Fred over in Sandy. Fred he knows who he is.
He helped me out. He helped me find I was.
I was really looking for for a gift for somebody.
And it's interesting because I would have never purchased these before.
Chinese Throwing Stars. You ever had those?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bill? Well?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, are they back in the style again?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean I don't know if they did they ever
leave style?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Did they ever? Really? These are some official really they're weighted.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Appropriate anyway, I don't know, but Chinese Throwing Stars.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, So I really want to know, how do you
categorize these official from the d.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I, what's that? No, they're they're Chinese throwing stars.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah from the d I what about them? And that's
official Chinese stars?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
They have got they have a certificate and everything. So anyway,
all right, so but a big thanks, a big thanks
to Fred. We chatted about this, and we chatted about
firearm and Second Amendment rights and gun laws and all
sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So yeah, anyways, hey Clark, real quick, speaking of shoutouts,
I got to give a shout out to Dave over
in Utah Safe.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Outlet and his guys.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They brought in my brand new yellowstone here in the
old office studio today and it's it's looking pretty sharp.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I can see the safe and to me, first off,
it's not yellow. It's not even close to yellow. It's
not even a shade of yellow. And to me, it
looks like a walk in safe as if there was.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Should have been a vault door. I can take it
and use it as a.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Vault door, you could. I guess you're gonna have to
open up the back end of the hand. So how
do people so while you're going to do a shout out.
You better give Dave's info. Do you have his info handy.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
All the time?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You don't tack them out that four eighty three West
three twenty five South and Bountiful of Utah. Or give
them a call at eight one two four seven two
three three. Their hours are Monday through Friday ten am
to six pm, and tell them you heard us, You
heard the big shout out on gun Radio Utah. And
I know those guys will do something really nice for you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, so they won't do anything nice if you don't
say that because I do.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Something that they really like our gun radio listeners.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So all right, So because this is you really only
have to listen to one more week of Utah legislature
stuff up on the hill, I'll tell you a few bills.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That are moving.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well. One we just heard HB one O four Firearm
Safety in Schools moving right along this last week. That
that basically requires mandates firearms safety education in schools K
through twelve, so K through six it'll be done three times,
and I think twice in seven through twelfth grade.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And no it does not.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, all the detractors are wringing their hands over
there saying they're going to teach kids how to use guns,
how to load and unload and that kind of stuff. No, folks,
this is just safety. And so anyway, safety if a
kid you know, sees a gun at home, sees a
gun at school, these finds out, you know, their their
buddy has a gun in his backpack as he's coming
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to school, might be a good thing to tell a
to tell an adult about them.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So they're not double you know, they're not tapping magazines
on their desks and throwing them to their teacher in
case of a shootout.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Muh bill, there's always next year. So I know that's
what I know. That's an amendment you wanted. So I
think we're going to have to have that as a standalone.
So anyway, that is moving right along. It needs one
more vote, folks. It is on It's HB one zero four.
It's on the second the Senate second reading calendar, which
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basically in the last few days of the session they
just kind of combined second and third reading. Long story short.
If it's number sixty three, So what happens is is
it is if they just they take them in order,
so it's it's sixty third down the list. However, when
you get into the last three days of the session,
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they clear those, they wipe the board, and then they
get they get put back on in the order of
the House or the Senate. And so both the House
and the Senate are hearing these bills, and if it's
a House bill, they clear all the House bills off
the board, and then they ask the House, how do
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you want them in?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What order do you want them to put back on?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And so it's a prioritization, a shuffling, a sifting, a
you know that kind of thing. So it may bump up,
it may bump down, you never know, all right, So
then we had we have an interesting one. So another
good one age eight. We may or may not talk
about that in a little while. But dangerous weapons at
school amendments. Essentially it started out and that's all I say.
(08:09):
It started out as us, if a kid brings a
miner brings a gun to school, they're going to get
charged the same way they would as if an adult.
Because we just didn't have a statue specific or that
that had a crime for a minor if they brought one.
It was kind of an oversight. So, uh, what do
we got, Oh, should we talk about? Should we talk about?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You know what, We're out of time in this segment,
but when we come back, uh pretty soon, we're going
to have Representative Carrie analysmby the House Majority Whip. We're
going to talk about HB one thirty three and uh
see what's in store for it if anything.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So stay tuned. We'll be right back on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And we've got Clark Aposch and our director and chairman
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council out at ghosts Ie.
I'm so glad to have you here with us on
this beautiful Saturday afternoon. And hey, you know, I can't
thank our listeners enough and also our members enough for
reaching out to the representatives on these alerts that we've
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been sending out last couple of weeks. You can always
get active participate on these alerts as well also as
they come up by going over to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil
dot org and sign up for our email alerts. There's
a tab right at the top says alerts. Click on that,
put in your email address, and be aware. No one
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will contact you, no one will spam you, no one
will ask you to do anything. We do keep these
email addresses very sacred and only call upon you when
we were in need of your assistance and having you
reach out to your representatives. But we do appreciate all
of our members and all of our listeners that have fulfilled.
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We have had many comments during legislation sessions, in the
committe hearing, a committee meeting hearings where they've said, yeah,
they've got you know, Barraged Clark on a number of emails.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That our members have sent them to help push some
of these bills through.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And uh, it's you know, it's not it's not Clark,
it's not myself, it's not any other board members. It's
it's our our members that pull the biggest weight, and
we're just privileged to be in the driver's seat helping
to guide some of these bills in their correct directions.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean they you know, our listeners are our members,
and the people that contact on on behalf of themselves,
on behalf of us or or anything like that, they
are the gun lobby.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They really are. They're the gun lobby.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Hey, quick research talking about gun Well, I don't know
if it's gun lobby, but John Lott's group crimeresearch dot org.
Crime research dot org can use your help, uh the
uh Go to crime Researchers dot org and you can
look at all the different articles, the interviews, the radio,
TV op eds, everything. If you have a topic that
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you need to brush up on on gun rights or
anything like that, go to crime Research dot org. While
you're there, hit the donate button and throw a few dollars,
a few dollars that way, it will be money well
spent as well.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, so brag we weren't fortunate to get any of
that US AID money.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, that would have been nice. Bad on us
to not know about it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I didn't know that was that I didn't know
which trough to feed off of the USA. Yeah, I
mean yeah, the anti gun groups were literally getting money
from USA. That was I thought that was supposed to
anyway go to foreign nations or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And you know that's been going on.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'd like to find the timeline of when that started.
And because you got to know that names like Eric
Holder and the rest of them, Bill Clinton, Obama, by
Debt Biden and there askmat something to do with it,
(12:13):
and in fact you know what, Okay, so let me
tell you what happened to our big bill, our big, big,
huge bill sponsored by Representative Cary Analyss in BHB one
thirty three. It died in committee. Yeah, it died in committee.
How did it die? Well, let's see, there were six
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people in the committee at the time. There's actually more
than that on the committee, but they were absent. One
was online, and we had one so one Democrat was online,
one Democrat was there.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Probably two of the.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Most liberal Democrats are on the Senate Government Operations Committee,
which is kind of a weird committee.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Don't you a great bill?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
A weird committee to have a gun bill, especially a
gun un bill of this magnitude.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, we're seeing a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
See, we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And the word is that's the committee that if Senate
leadership doesn't lack a bill, they send it to that
committee to die.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I've said it, I've said it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And we had two Republicans side with two of the
most liberal Democrats and vote to kill that bill.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was a two to four vote.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, So Senator Thatcher and Senator Winterton, my senator out
here in Newentton County, voted for the bill. Said this
is a good bill, no problem. It's it really is.
It was essentially a recodification to make things easier to understand,
to make gun laws easier to understand, for for Utah citizens,
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for law enforcement, for the courts, for the legislature. Makes
it easier to understand because I would have led research,
I'd have attorneys, I'd have legislators call me throughout the
year and say, hey, Clark, can you can you explain
this section to Gode To me, I said, sure, you
have to go back to you have to go back
to seventy six ten five oh four, and then you
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go over to seventy six ten five twenty three and
see the exception and blah blah blah. Anyway, we had
a great attorney with ledged research that did some fantastic work.
A little shout out to Shad and they're nonpartisan, but
I got to tell you, this guy knows his gun
laws now. So anyway, that bill is dead until uh,
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well we'll find out what Representative Lismby's going to do
with it. But it is gone. And you know the
reasons why it died. There were two reasons given, and
I thought Represented Lisenby did a fantastic job of answering
the concerns of these two senators Vicker and MIKEL mckel
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brought up that he didn't like the idea even though
we've been doing it for years on end, technically never
not been able to do it. Have a loaded rifle
in your vehicle if you choose to, you don't have to.
Just because you have a rifle doesn't mean you have
to have it loaded in your vehicle. And so if
you had to permit, you were able to do that.
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And he said that because he as I recall, and
you can listen to the recording, but he was driving
around with a friend and the friend almost shot his
foot off.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So Bill, what do you think? I mean, I I.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Out and dropped my job, Like you said that in committee, okay,
and you said that about your friend about shooting your
I mean, I'm like, okay, what else was going on
that shouldn't have been going on that.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Caused that to happen?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And I'm I don't let your stupidity, because that's what
we don't want to do, is we don't want to
legislate to stupidity, but legislative common sense.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And I was, yeah, I was really shocked about that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, I mean to almost shoot your foot off. Then
you've got so because one state senator had of questionable intelligence.
A friend, I'm just going to go out on a
lemon and say that because I've carried loaded firearms in
my vehicle, both rifles, pistol, shot guns all the time,
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and never accidentally almost shot my foot off or somebody
else's foot off.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And so because they did that and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Had that, you realize there had to be a violation
of muscle direction. There had to be a violation of
trigger finger you know now. Because of that, that was
the I think the main reason why he couldn't vote
for the bill, even though that was the tiniest And
when I'm talking about the tiniest, I'm talking like one
percent of the bill. And and so we'll talk to
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represent of Lisenby and just a sec here. I've gotta
get a different way to get her on though. And
so but let me play this is what I think
has happened. I think there's been some brainwashing about guns
to both Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And so let me get this. Let me pull this
thing up.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
This is Eric Holder, and this is before he's Attorney general,
and this is a live well, on't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
If it was live.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I guess it was live in nineteen ninety five c
Span and he said this about firearms.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Listen carefully.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I've also asked the school board to make a part
of every day some kind of anti violence, anti gun
message every day every school at every level. One thing
that I think is clear with young people and with
adults as well, is that we just have to be
repetitive about this. It's not enough to simply have a
catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it
every Monday. We need to do this every day of
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the week and just really brainwash people into thinking of
guns in a vastly different way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Did he say did he.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Say what I think he just said, Bill, I mean
he said brainwash, right, he said the quiet part out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Loud is another way of saying that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And yeah, they have been doing this just because he
said that it did happen, and it has been happening,
and they have been brainwashing us for so long that
you know, people that even people in the industry, people
that have AR fifteen's, refer to them as oh I
got an assault rifle or oh yeah, I heard about
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this gun violence as opposed to other kinds of violence.
And you know it's it's these these same kind of
terms get inundated into everyday talk even amongst us gun people. Now,
I try to I try to not say assault rifle
so much unless I'm really thinking about assaulting.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You know that. Anyway, So we.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, I feel bad because we did try to
ameliorate the concerns, but it just didn't work. Okay, So
what I'm gonna do is when we come back, we're
gonna have carry Anne listenby, Representative Carryenne Listenby on and
just to tell Denny, Denny, I'm gonna go ahead and
get a hold of her on my end and that
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way we'll patch her right through. So all right, when
we come back on gun Radio Utah, stay tuned. Welcome
back to gun Radio, Utah. You don't start talking during
cross talk because then you know you're not.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Anyways, I'm sorry, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So anyway, we're back to gun Radio Utah. No apologies
and so hey, huge special surprise, not really a surprise
because I brought it up earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
We have Representative carry Anne.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Listenby House District fourteen and the majority whip in the House.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Thanks for being on gun Radio Utah representative.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, we've got one week left. It ends at midnight
on the on Friday. Sign a die. What does sign
a dye mean?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's last?
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Oh my goodness, I don't speak that. I need to
look that up.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I think it just means something about being finally done.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And so that's all folks, or something like that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So anyway, because I always here, and I always think
I always I always say that the Senate always saying
sign a die, and they say it with such such
authority and all that, and they get all puffed up
when they say sign a die, and and I always think.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I bet they don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So anyway, all right, well, I know it means like, yeah,
that's that's it for that's the end.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's the end.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So hey, can we talk about Do you want to
talk about HB one thirty three?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Do you want to do you want to go there?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Okay, let's go there.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, let's go there. What happened?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Well, uh, you know, I think early on when we
had it in the recodification subcommittee. Uh, a person who
kind of runs a blog in the state of Utah
and used to work for the Tribune put on an
article I totally misread the bill and put on an
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article with a you know, glaring headline that was completely false,
didn't reflect what the bill actually did, and that started
kind of a firestorm, I think in the media.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
And we did get an article out.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
There that actually reflected what the bill did, and I
felt did a pretty good job.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
But as you know, it's sometimes hard.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
To to clarifying clear the message. And so when this
bill got into the Senate committee, it passed the House past,
House committee, passed the House floor, and we actually had
a lot more opposition in the House committee, but we
had a lot more support as well. There's a lot
more public comment there in the Senate committee. It failed
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to pass, and I think your listeners probably are aware
of what the bill did.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Is that Craig Well that is, But you know what,
let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The vast majority of the bill was what the.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Vast majority of the bill was recodification. So it was
it was changing the code to make it more clear
so that Utah residents, courts, law enforcement, everybody could know
what they could and could not do in the dangerous
weapons space. And it's important for citizens in a republic
like we live in to know their rights and right
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now it's really difficult, as you know, clerk to read
through our Second Amendment Code.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And go oh yeah, I can totally do this or
I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So I mean, I mean for sure, and it is
very important to know the law, especially when it comes
to gun law, because violations of those can get you
sometimes into really big trouble.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
They can't hear so actually, Bill, we can hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So just thought, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Sorry about it's live radio and I've got a live
audience in my studio and so it's like, oh, sorry,
I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I was muted, so okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So then so requalification was I don't know if you
want to put it at ninety six percent of the
bill and ninety eight okay, And then I know there
was clarification and then there was changes.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
So there was clarification where you know the code was
being misinterpreted. It wasn't necessarily that the code wasn't clear
in those places, but that it was being misinterpreted. And
then there were other places where there there's been recent
development in case law or uh there there just needed
(24:13):
to be a policy call and so we made a
policy call. So one of those spaces was in carrying
of a long gun, so a shotgun or a rifle
in a vehicle. And currently in use out code, you can,
if you can sell carry permit holder, carry a loaded
rifle or a shotgun in your vehicle, but if you're
(24:36):
not a permit holder, you can't. And so we just
said in the bill you just can, and so anybody can.
You don't have to be a permit holder to do so. Well,
that that.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Was something that you know, was seemed to be kind
of a.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Trigger point ignore the pun in Senate committee to to just.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Vote against the bill and.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
So but it but again, it's not about is it
safe to do this, it's about who can do this?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And in current law you can.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You can, you absolutely can. Eighteen year olds can't. Yeah,
so with the permit and that, Hey, where do we
go from here?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Well, excellent question.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
So we I plan to refile the bill in May,
and we're gonna do it again next year.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I'm going to have it open early. We'll go through
the process.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Again and at least this time, you know, I think
we worked out all the bugs and the kinks and
it's ready to go and we won't need to change
it at all, and we can move forward and get there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So when you refile the bill in May, will it
be it'll be public at that.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Point, right, I will make it public because we've already
had this long process.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So nothing to hide. And if you have some of
objections to it, they should probably come out before the
fifth week of the session right the next year.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I agree, I absolutely they should.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
In fact, this bill has been public since November interim,
so it's been public for almost four or five months.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So I find it and I'm just going to say
you don't have to agree or disagree. I find it
inappropriate and in an anathma to the system that Utah
citizens expect of our legislature to have a bill that's
been public for four or five months and then have
a key legislator in a decision making committee bring up
(26:43):
something that hasn't been brought up before and that was
incorrect at the beginning and vote against it. So there
I've said it. Now let's talk about some of our successes.
You know, Representative McPherson has been really making some good bills.
He had one called Firearm Retention Amendments, which dealt with
plays and abeyances. Can you can you speak to that one?
(27:05):
I know you've got a million bills. I don't know
I can remind you on that one.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
So I actually don't have that one open. I had
a bunch of our bills up. I can tell you
about successes. But what's the number, Lenking.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's one ninety five. It's first sub one ninety five.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And basically what it does is if you get a
plea in abeyance for a crime that the underlying crime
wouldn't or would have prevented you from owning a gun,
then the plea in abeyance can write in there you
can't have guns during the plea in abeyance period. But
if the crime itself that you're getting a plea in
(27:41):
abeyance for, which means basically it's like a six months
to a one year window where you're kind of guilty,
then it wouldn't. Then they can't write in Judges prosecutors
can't write in there that you can't have guns.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, it's an excellent bill.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, and so it's on Senate third reading. It's moving
right along.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, and reb McPherson. McPherson, because he's Scottish kid. He
is fabulous. He has just run so much good legislation
this year, not only in the gun space but in
the criminal justice space with his Unlicensed driver bill. So
I'm good you've been following that one, but I haven't.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I try to stay laser focused on the gun stuff
because he did have another one, and I'm trying to
remember which one it is, but it's essentially has a
February twenty second to twenty.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Two one three.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
It's the firearm tax holiday, right yep, sales tax holiday
for firearm safety and storage devices.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah. I think that's a great one. It's it's been needed.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I am so glad that he ran that one, and
it's moving, it's moving right along.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Hey what just before we.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Go, just didn't say, like forty five seconds, can you
if you're if you're following this one at all? HB
one oh four Representative Rex ships Bill on Firearms Safety
Education and Schools.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yes, So we actually heard this in our House Education
Committee and Rex did a great job presenting the bill.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It requires LA's or.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Local education agencies to provide firearms safety instruction to students,
and so I don't know why this is controversial, right,
I mean, wouldn't we want our students to be aware
of firearm safety because even if there's not a firearm
in the home, there's a chance, a very high likelihood
(29:40):
that that student may come across a firearm at some
point in their lives, and having at least a rudimentary
knowledge of how to handle that situation is really important.
So the bill requires the instruction at least three times
while the students in K through six, and then it
also requires it at least twice in middle school and
(30:02):
once in high school. So it's kind of, you know
that let's create some retention here, let's go over this
important topic, and let's make sure that we're repeating it
for these students.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And so I'm going to go ahead and file this
one under and it's moving right along. It is in
it's in the Senate, so it needs one more vote.
File it under Education is better than ignorance. So all right,
Representative Lizzenbie, will you will you hang? Will you hang
with us for the last segment?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
When we come back on gun Radio, Utah, We've got
lots more to talk about.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Stay tuned.
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