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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I am your host, Clark Oposion and oh look there's Bill,
Bill Patterson, director of Your Touch Shooting Sports Council, and
we are here live today the twelfth, July twelfth. And oh,
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
So anyways, what was that? What was that? I heard
something there? All right?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So anyway, hey, let's tell you what we got going
on for today. We're going to talk about the latest
on well, you know, the Shush Act and the Short Act,
the acts that didn't make it quite into the big
beautiful bill that was signed. And all that happened was
they took away the tax, the tax which is the.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Essential, which is a very interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They took away the two hundred dollars tax on short
beld rifles and shotguns and aow's and we'll tell you
more about why that is so important and who's joined
in on that, on that conversation and lawsuits in.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That, what did Ruger storm Ruger? What did they just buy?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm finding their interesting little change in in some of
their policies in that. And we're going to talk about
gRPC Gun Rights Policy Conference brought to you in Utah
in Salt Lake City at the end of September this year,
and that's the course of the Second Amendment Foundation bill.
I also want to talk about out a backpacking gun,
(02:04):
maybe an out in the field kind of gun, not
something a one handed kind of a thing, an aqual
handgun and something that Taurus has just brought back out
and what they've included with it. And then I've got
some questions on that. Also, we are going to talk
about what's.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Going on in Maine.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
There's I would expect it to be a firestorm, but
then again, I haven't heard the national media really talking
about this, and it's just the conservative the more conservative
media is talking about what a main professor that makes
almost two hundred thousand dollars per year at a state
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funded college in Maine. What she said to one of
her students in a feedback on a paper that this
student wrote. Anyways, we're definitely going to be talking about
that bill. What you've got something that's something interesting. I
want to want to discuss us too.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, so we're going to also talk about Florida and
the recent gun I don't I want to call it
a gun bill. It's more of a tax bill where
the Governor DeSantis just assigned that will allow it's basically
a Second Amendment sales tax holiday.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And what the gunshine state.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, so basically, from September eighth through December thirty, first
you'll get any firearm ammunition. We'll go through the whole
laundry list of things that you can buy that will
be tax free. Now, I also want to and I've
brought this up with our little insider group. I'm gonna
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call it the insider group that we chat with our
legislators and others two way activists that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We super super secret activists.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But I would love to see this see the same
thing in Utah and maybe make it a little bit better.
And so we're going to talk about that, how that
compares to what Florida has, and to see what we
can do here in Utah to come up with thoughts
on that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I've got some thoughts on that as well. So yeah,
all right, let's see.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So we're going to go to you know, I'll just
tell you right now, So what is it?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Why am I getting an echo? Danny?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm getting some kind of an echo here or something.
I don't know, and I know it's not on my end,
but anyway, I'm not not hearing it anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All right.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So Taurus just came out with their new They had
it out a while ago, many many years ago, and
then they brought it back, The Raging Judge.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Now we know about the Judge.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
The Judge has been around, I don't know, twenty twenty
five years, maybe more, maybe thirty years, and it's a
revolver and typically their shorter barrel. You can get them
in two inch three inch. You can get them in
five and six inch I think too, And they carry
a The big thing was forty five colt and you
could shoot a four to ten shotgun shell. Some of
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the two and a half inch and then some of
them were designed for the three inch four ten shotgun shell,
and that was kind of a there was an interesting
thing and people started thinking, oh, it's a shotgun, Oh
my gosh, how devastating, when in reality the four to ten,
even with buckshot or slugs, is not that devastating compared
to the other round that you could shoot in it,
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which is the forty five Colt. You know, you're shooting
two hundred and fifty grain bullet. To give you an idea,
the forty five Colt shoots a two hundred and fifty
grain bullet, not as fast as the forty four magnum,
but the forty four is you know, typically a two
hundred and forty grain bullet. Well, the raging judge, So Bill,
I want to ask you because you do a lot
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of backpacking, you do a lot of out you know,
outdoor kind of stuff, and this one is chambered all
so forty five four ten and four fifty four cassole.
Now that's got the pecante with it. And oh and
it's a three inch barrel six shot revolver.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's the hobbinaro Is you really want to call it?
Because I mean I've shot the four fifty four casole
in a rifle and in a pistol. The rifle was hell,
and if there was a lower depth of hell, it
would be a pistol in a four fifty four shot.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I shot a revolver seven and a half inch in
a BFR single action revolver and it was heavy. I mean,
it was non fluted cylinder and it was and that
was that was some that was some spunk to that puppy.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And but a three inch I mean, so what would
would you consider carrying this in a three inch? Though?
Well know, and why and.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What would you You brought it up because I was
I just got back from Montana the other day and
we're in Glacier Park and we're fishing, and we're in
some backcountry and I heard that there was a bear
attack this week up there or something similar.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But I was thinking, Okay, what's the what's the most.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Favored caliber of you know, in the back country for bears,
And the four to fifty four casole actually came up.
It was in my It came up in my mind,
and I thought, yeah, that would be a really good
round for bear protection. But then I got thinking, what's
more scary having a grizzly charge at you or having
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to shoot your four fifty four console at the bear.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think I would take the bear.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well yeah, well, I mean, you know, TuS Trus does
offer the standalone revolvers in for sixty Smith and Wesson
and five hundred Smith and West, and of course Smith
and Wesson does that to another another ones do that too.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I just think it's more.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Of the novelty because if I'm out in the back,
you know, and I want to protect myself, I'm not
going to carry the four ten rounds in it. I'm
not going to carry the forty five cold I'm going
to always load it with the force, with the four
fifty four cassoole. And so why would why wouldn't I
just get a revolver dedicated to that? I don't know,
because I think it's fun to have the other two
cartridges in there.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh and for you, Bill.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Because you would quickly switch out your four fifty four
cassole cartridges with the four ten bird shot to shoot
at grouse.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Exactly what you mean, exactly So now because I've seen
you do it, I I missed too, But I got
to ask you, now, do you remember Taras had one
called the Raging Bull, which was a forty four magnum,
a four to fifty four casole, and a five hundred smw.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh they did.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, So I kind of wonder what I kind of
think that this Raging is going to or the not
the Raging Bowl, but the Raging Judge. I think it's
going to be. It's it's more for maybe the outdoorsman.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Entertainment.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Let me see the picture on this thing. If it
has adjustable sights on it. It does not does not
have adjustable sights on the three inch, which, thank goodness,
I'm glad. I'm glad Smith and Wesson would put the
adjustable sites on the two inch, and I've always wondered
why do they? Why do they do that? Anyways, Hey,
we're out of time for this segment. When we come back,
we've got lots more to come, so you stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Weather that we're experiencing. But it's always good during January.
Get it out of our system so when the hunting
season comes around in August, Clark, it will be a.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Little bit cooler hopefully so.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
But hey, if you want to learn more about the
Utah Shooting Sports Council, we have a great event that
we're going to be covering here this fall, this September,
which where we're going to be looking for some volunteers.
For over to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org and
get sign up for our email alerts and also you
can email us at board at Utah Shooting Sports Council
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dot org if you'd like to sign up and volunteer
for the whether we call it the NA NA s
F no.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, no, no, the Gun Right g r PC.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
There's so many CrPC, the Gun Rights Policy Conference RPC,
which is it's uh, it's fifty no, how many years
has it been? It's a whatty years something? Anyway, I
can't remember fifty years. Maybe I don't know anyway to.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Be able to have it in Salt Lake City this year.
And so they reach out to Utah Shooing Sports Council
since we brought it up and said we would love
you guys to host this, and in that case, we're
going to need some volunteers. So shoot over to Utah
Shooting Sports Council dot org, get signed up for our alerts,
tell us you'd like to volunteer, and we will make
sure we can put you to work.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So how's that, clerk.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Now, it's great.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And speaking of Gun Rights Policy Conference, which is brought
to you by the Second Amendment Foundation or SAF dot org.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Go to SAF dot org. You gotta go there.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The Gun Rights Policy Conference is like a shot show
only for gun legislation and gun rights and guns too.
They have lots of things and it's free and you
can join. People will come from all over the nation
to come to this and you don't have to come far.
If you're in Utah, you just show up at the
Salt Lake City Marriott at the end of September. Go
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to SAF dot org and sign up. Everything is free
and it's fantasmic. The swag you get, the books you
get that, everything is free.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
The lunches you get are free.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Anyway, sign up and do that, and then run over
to Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org like Bill said, and
sign up and become and help us volunteer for that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Speaking of SAF, they joined the nrai LA or the
National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, along with the
Firearms Policy Coalition and the American Suppressor Association in filing
a lawsuit to challenge the constitutionality of the NFA in
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Federal court.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The NFA, the National Firearms Act.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We have been talking about this a lot, and it's
interesting because we had challenges to the NFA. It's essentially
it is the Supreme Court calls it a tax on firearms,
on certain firearms, short brailed rifles, shotguns, any other weapons,
destructive devices, machine guns, so on and so forth, and suppressors.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And but it's gotten it's gotten a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
More legs, and it's been in this lawsuit against it
has been much more refined since the passage of the
Big Beautiful Bill, which among other things, removed the two
hundred dollars tax.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
There is no tax on.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The short bailed items aow's and suppressors.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It removes the tax.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So without the tax on the only legitimacy the NFA
had was because it was a tax. It wasn't a
gun thing, wasn't a second you know, supposedly, and the
Supreme Court has already ruled it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It was a tax. So without that tax, why do
they even have it?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So that's essentially what the the NRA and other two
way groups are are arguing now. So I think it's
you know, from my very limited legal background, I think
that's a really good way to do this.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So thank you to all them.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And I'm so glad that the NRA is playing so
nicely with the other groups now, especially lately since they.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Got rid of Wayne Lapierre. Don't you think they're playing nicely?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Bill's Yeah, the mood and the attitude I think has
changed dramatically and.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Only yeah, all for the better.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And yeah, I think they'll uh, well, when Wayne was gone,
I think that was a very good thing. But I
don't know, I'll take it might take some time. It
might take some proof in the pudding, uh to get
some of the members, you know that were longtime members
to come back.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So, you know, I was I was going to talk
about this other thing, but Bill, I want you to
talk about and and and I realized we're I didn't
talk about this in the green room with you, But
that two way tax holiday. Yeah, I want to talk
a little bit more about that, and what should it include?
What does it include in Florida? Do we want to
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use Florida as a template, and and why and why
should we have why should there be a tax holiday
on these things?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, we we've always argued that, you know, NFA stuff
is nothing but a uh an illegal tax and an
illegal registration of these devices. I think it's great with
what they've done in Florida is that they are going
tax free now they're doing it for a certain date range,
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basically September eight through December thirty first of this year.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Four.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So let's just talk about the simple things on firearms.
It would include ammunition firearms as one. Ammunition firearm accessories.
This includes stocks, optics, sites, pistol grips, and I would
imagine part of the sites would be you know, if
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you've got an optic, your rings in that that would
do it. Pistol grips, polsters, cleaning kits. This was an
interesting one.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Charging handles, Yeah, I saw that charging What a random thing.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, that's kind of an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I would say any firearm accessory, anything that can do
to be used to attach or to assist a firearm,
I would think it would follow under that category. Now,
this is where it gets interesting. They threw in bows, crossbows,
bows and crossbow accessories, arrows, bolts, quivers, releases, optics, risk guards, sites.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
All this stuffs and arrows and stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Which I am all for.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I think that's an awesome thing to do. And then
they go into camping and fishing supplies and see how
you're spending.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, this is where it is.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And I'm not giving them great I mean, I don't disagree,
but you can't call it a two A type thing
for the camping and but you know what my thoughts are, Bill,
they did that to bring in the hikers into this
because the hikers and the outdoor recreationists are not necessarily
some of them are tree hunting, tree hugging, bedwetters, and
they aren't necessarily aligned with two A values. So but
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maybe that brought them into it. And I'd love to
hear the uh.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well they can't now just say for gun owners now
with the camping and fishing supplies and say hey, we're
including everyone in on this. And I think that's very admirable.
I think it's commendable that they would do that, and
I think, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
What's missing, though, Bill? What's it missing with regards to guns?
What's it doesn't what does it not have?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I'd say reloading supplies.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Is, Oh, that's a good one. How about Tom?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
And I would I would say safes, there you go
there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Or storage device.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
This could even be in your vehicle, in your home,
maybe even in your purse or handbag. I would say
those would also I'd like to see those added to
a similar bill. Now what we're talking about. I threw
this out to our group, Oh was it last week?
And I said, hey, why don't we come up. This
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is a great deal that Florida has done. Let's follow suit.
But let's let's trumpet and make it a little bit
better and maybe extend our times and our dates. Maybe
start in January. Maybe I have an idea. I have
an idea for the date for the starting date. Okay,
let's here John Moses Browning's birthday. Now it would disputed
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whether it's January twenty first or the twenty third, but
essentially it's the day the legislature starts each year.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think that would be and ended.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
On July twenty fourth or after that weekend whatever. The
the ending of the weekend for July twenty fourth is yep.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And then the following year we just it just becomes automatic,
and it's degree from here on going.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Forward, going you're going your form, I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Thinking, yeah, I'm thinking I really need to get some
more information to find out, you know what impact that has.
I'm sure it has a pretty big impact. But but still,
I mean, we're talking hunting supplies, ammunition, firearms. Those things
should not be taxed in the first place.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, I mean, if you're going to tax, you're going
to tax them, then you better start taxing the newspapers,
because I don't think you pay. I don't want a
newspaper costs anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
But if so, you're talking about a freedom of speech tax.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, absolutely, start taxing that stuff then, I mean it's
First Amendment, second Amendment. I don't know, you know, start
taxing all those things. But you notice we don't have
a we don't have a tax on newspapers. Of course,
then again, I don't know that the main newspaper in
Salt Lake is used as some fish rap. But anyway,
I didn't say which you know anyway.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That's funny. I use mine for bird cage lining.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Bill. Speaking of ammunition, what do you got?
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
And for a story that we're going to talk about
in just a second. Bill, I actually had her review
some of the documents that that we researched on this,
and I asked her her opinion. So will shout out
to her and our beautiful niece. Is he who they are?
They are over at the SPA right now getting all
spaed or whatever. So is he's uh is he's been
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hanging out here at ghost I, ghost II manor for
for a few days and we'll shout out to them.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So, oh, Bill, what I wanted to remind you about
was the that NFA I failed to say.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, they got rid of the two hundred dollars tax
stamp with the big beautiful bill, the two hundred dollars
in that which essentially opened the door for a good
challenge to the constitutionality of the NFA in itself, which
because it was based on a tax, and if the
tax is gone, it's not there.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But what remains and what the.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What the lawsuit is is to get rid of all
the registration because you still have to have your photos,
your fingerprints, your life time registration, so to speak, with
that item matching you and that gun with you, and
you know when you have to essentially, you know, tell
your local law enforcement that you're getting it, so on
and so forth. So but when that happened, by the way,
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when you had to tell your local law enforcement, we
immediately before it even went into effect federally, and this
was I don't know eight years ago or so more,
we said local law enforcement cannot retain those records.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They must be destroyed.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So I think we need a little audit on those
and find out how local law enforcement is doing and
how they're destroying them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, so let me let me step back a little bit,
and maybe you talked about this last week when I
was gone, But did we really as gun owners that
like to use suppressors and that, did we really gain
anything from this?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We greducks two hundred bucks and for me, and I
think most people, two hundred dollars is two hundred dollars, right,
but I know ethically appropriately too a wise, no, it
was we really didn't. However, I do think and maybe
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somebody up there in the Trump administration or in uh
in the sponsors. We're playing three D chess and they said,
we get the two hundred dollars easy, and then it
opens the door to the court saying no more NFA anyway,
you know, because of that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So it could be it could be Bill.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And so you never know, they don't tell us regular folks,
you know, the three D chess moves that they're doing.
So I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
What I was really hoping, you know, if they would
have dumped the whole NFA thing, I think that would
have been and I still do think it will be.
When it does happen, it's gonna be a big boost
in the firearm industry because everyone's going to change out
their guns, you know, for threaded girls. H And you know.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, I think it will allow for much more innovation
as well, innovation in these yeah, exactly. And we're dealing
with these stupid braces, which, let's be honest, we know
what a pistol brace is. Mm hmm, it's it's dare
I say it, Bill, there, I dare I say it's.
You know, you ever been on two A forms and
you call a brace a stock and you.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Get you get really quick.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
It's not a stock, folks, it's a stock. Come on
by any other name. It's a stock. And we know
what we're doing and and we can still we can still,
you know, fight two A and say we shouldn't be
required to have a stupid stock or not a stock
or a brace or whatever. So there, hey, let me
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tell yeah, let me tell you. If your stock is
broken or your brace is broken or whatever it is,
it over to the gunsmith, a sportsman's warehouse. The gunsmith
that sportsman's warehouse can take care of whatever is ailing
your gun, or maybe you just want it gussied up,
or as Casey Jane would say, she wants to add
some bling to it. Anyway, you want engraving, Gune, They
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actually can do metal engraving, really nice stuff. Sarah coding,
rebluing anything, just fixing your gun. Get it over to
the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. They're located at sixteen thirty
South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You can call them at.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Eight oh one three zero four eighty seventy, or you
can take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be
one near you. And technically if you go to their
website you'll find it that you can actually mail it
into them as well. So with it, I do say,
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and where's that button? I got to find the right button,
So I don't why is it going anyway?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right? Just not doing it?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh, I gotta I gotta be able to see Denny
because because Denny will give me finger gestures every once
in a while, appropriate ones in radio speak.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Now you remember I said I talked to Casey Jane
about this issue. So in Maine at a at a
state funded state university.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Uh, there was a professor that it's either a writing
one or a current events class or something like that.
And she had a student. This professor had a student,
and that student wrote a paper, an assigned paper on
a current event, and it was supposed to be an
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editorial or an opinion piece on it. And she wrote
a She wrote a review of this student's paper and
it to her.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And so let me find this here. I had it
right here, I do, I have it right there?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay, So she is now coming under fire, this this teacher,
this professor, who makes almost two hundred thousand dollars a year,
by the way, I my dad, And she wrote this.
She said, wasn't your former paper a testimony to finding Jesus?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I should probably point out the student decided to write
her opposition to the main red flag laws, which is
basically fire and confiscation laws, and that's what this paper
was about. So the professor wrote, wasn't your former paper
a testimony to finding Jesus?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Did Jesus pack heat?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Then she goes on and I'm reading right from the
review that she gave to the student. I find the
Second Amendment nonsense, exhausting, and highly recommend you choose a
different topic. Uh, since this is not one that I
can easily grade given my own disdain for the misinterpretations
of the Second Amendment, I hate to tell yeah, and
(28:11):
that's what I say. But guns do kill. Just ask
the victims of the two hundred shootings this year. And
she goes on to list a bunch of things like that,
and then she says, you clearly do not care about
people as much as you care about guns. Your argument
is a solid representation of that. For fairness to you
and to me, please choose another topic and think again
(28:34):
about Jesus packing heat. Really, you and your ilk drive
me nuts with your hypocrisy. Guns kill Own it now, Bill,
I got to ask you if your kid came home
from college with that, and said, this is what my professor.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Wrote to me, I'd be looking for a new college.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Well, I want, I want, I would want my money.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I would want, I would And as soon as the
president of the university found out about that, and and
if they didn't do anything, I'd want their head on
a pike.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now let's turn it around, though.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Let's turn it around and say this person say this professor,
uh started talking about uh, you know, shaming the student,
punishing this, ostracizing the student for their views on LGBT
or transitioning or you know something like that, or you know,
(29:34):
the environment or something.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
What do you think do you think.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
The major news outlets and for those of you that
are just hearing about this for the first time, this
is huge.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This is a public education is this is the state.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Of the the to a culture war right now. They
can't they can't do anything about Second Amendment legally, at
least they try, but culturally, these are the ones that
are teaching our kids.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So is it any wonder?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
So I think there's a strong push there obviously is
a strong push to do away with a second Amendment.
And like I said, they can't do it legally, but
culture and this isn't just rhetoric either. This is the
kind of behavior that the bedwetters that is so pervasive
(30:27):
across the spectrum that they populate and they populate social media,
they populate the universities, they populate K through twelve. You
mentioned it before when we were in the green room.
You said something about back of the bus.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, this is a back of the bus type action
that they're doing here, I would be I'd also be
curious to know was this student made an example, was
this student brought up during the classroom. You know, if
that that professor had such strong language about this paper
(31:04):
that they wrote, I'm sure they probably wanted to make
a scene and humiliate this student.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
In front of the classroom as well.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Also, so well, yeah, I mean, and they're basically this
made me remember, let's see what We're out of time
for this for the second so you know what, I
want to continue this on to the to the to
our fourth and final segment, so.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Stay tuned, will be right back.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
They don't give their the law or the.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
The Oh no, I take that back.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
In this article, they did give the professor's name, the
main the main professor, and so so a whole bunch
of fifty something legislators wrote a letter signed a letter
to the president of that university in Maine telling, you know,
have this person fired, because that wasn't the only thing
(31:55):
she said. She went on before prior to this and
talked about how emotionally scarred she was. The day after
the election in which we got President Trump the second time,
and she canceled a Zoom conference which was scheduled with
(32:19):
her entire class, and she writes, this is Professor Lewandowski.
She says, I apologize for canceling our zoom session this week.
I ain't gonna lie. I was devastated by the election
and could not communicate in any way, shape or form.
She says, I've been voting for nearly fifty years and
(32:41):
have never seen someone more unfit for the Oval office
than the one our country just elected. To say I
was heartbroken would be an understatement. I don't care how
you voted. I just wanted to explain why I canceled,
and then if that was then So the students responded back,
and one of them said, I found it unprofessional that
(33:01):
you canceled class due to my candidate losing the election.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And she said, for me, this election was like a
death in the family.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
In one single election, the US is going to lose
its glorious democracy, it's stately presidency, it's constitution. And she
goes on and on like that, she's basically saying it.
And she continues with this prose and basically saying if
you don't agree with her, you are antisocial.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You are the problem.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And this is what they say about guns and people
that like guns or that use guns for whatever reason.
They're saying that that a firearm is absurd, that a firearm,
they're literally equating these things. A firearm is absurd, it's
anti social, it's frightening. When shouldn't we turn it around,
Bill and say that the people who misuse these firearms
(33:59):
and come murder and other crimes, and that aren't they
the ones that are absurd, anti social and frightening.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Well, yeah, they're And keep in mind, we talked about
this probably six eight months ago. They're they're the types
that think of themselves as probably being the ones committing
these crimes. And so that's where the I think the
rub comes really a long ways is that you know,
they're they're thinking, oh, man, I could have been me.
(34:29):
That's why I can't have a gun. That's why I
can't own a gun. That's why I got to be
against guns.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
And they think and and and that is a logical
response for them, because they know their own limitations. They
know that if they had a gun that they would
act out with it, and and and kudos to them
for understanding their own maladies that they have. But the
problem comes when they think everyone else has those same
(34:56):
lack of restraint when we don't.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So I'm reminded back in August.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Of twenty eighteen, if you can go back those seven
years ago, there was a teaching assistant at the University
of Utah who sent out a their syllabus at the
beginning of the of the quarter or the semester there,
and in her syllabus she wrote, there's going to be
(35:23):
a Second Amendment zone in my classroom that is going
to force students who legally carry a firearm to stand
in this tiny taped off area during the class And
it literally was like a three by three foot square
or rectangle or something square.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That was taped off with yellow.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Tape because of the disdain this person had for Second
Amendment for individual rights for this. So now, yes, as
soon as this was found, I remember Representative Lizzenby, she
stepped up, she spoke with the university president and immediately
(36:07):
they won overruled the instructor and assigned them to a
non teaching position for the duration of that semester.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I had this teacher's this.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Teaching assistant's name at one point, and I have to
look it up because I'd like to find out whatever
happened to her. So in her note regarding the weapons
policy in her classroom, even though we know that that's illegally,
can't have that, she says, if you feel that this
is somehow at all appropriate to bring a gun to
a class, hint it is not. This is absurd, oh, antisocial,
(36:45):
frightening behavior. You are restricted to spending your time in
class in my second amendment zone a three x three
tape square on the floor in the very back of
the classroom. Bill Again, you mentioned back of the bus.
This is back of the classroom. And uh, this is
going to be shared with all other gun carrier carriers.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
The policy elaborates.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
This zone also does not include a desks, because desks
are reserved for students who respect the personal and psychological safety.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Of their classmates, are instructors.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
But if you had more than one though one.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Per squeezed into a three by three space.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know it's going to be my gun.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, we don't want to, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So anyway, that is uh, that is that.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh, we did talk about Ruger buying Anderson manufacturing. Ruger
has really come a long race storm. Ruger their slock's
been going up too. They had been kind of milk
toasties when it came when it comes to firearm rights
and that kind of stuff. But they're doing They're bought
(37:57):
Anderson Manufacturing, which was I know, we're just out of time.
It's a big seller manufacturer of AR fifteen's including eighty
percent lowis for a while there, so I'm interested to
find out what Ruger is going to do with that.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Go on to.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
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At the end of September, Bill, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
You Bet Pargain, thank you, and thanks for our listeners.
And have a great weekend everyone, and we'll be back
next weekend. Take care of us.