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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Year's Welcome for the first show of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We are in our pill.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I think it's our eleventh year to Gun Radio Utah,
No apologies. Sitting across in a virtual way from representative
from I saw representative from Director of the Utah Shooting
Sports Council, Bill Petterson, and I see Denny Wright there,
our fantastic producer. We have a surprise second segment coming up, fantastic.
(00:28):
That'll be a lot of fun. We've got one heck
of a show for the New Year's we're going to
be talking about. Well, one I do definitely want to
cover is what is Poland doing with I mean their
proximity to Russia and Ukraine and with the kind.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of history there. What is Russia doing or.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
No, what is Poland doing, if anything, to prepare for
what might possibly be some awkwardness going on over there.
If red flaglaw you thought you'd hurt it all twenty
one in the last twenty five years, they've had twenty
one states in act red flag laws, which is essentially
(01:09):
a gun confiscation without due process, and they've hit a
stalemate now, So what are they doing now to think
to expanding that We're definitely going to be talking about that.
And what have I got? Oh? Are women buying more firearms? Well,
we have the answer to that, and how much more
(01:32):
or less in I think we'll do that third segment,
We definitely have that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And what else? Did I I hit something else? Oh? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The big thing is we're going to be talking with
Representative Colin Jack. Representative Jack has for the last well
last year, also introduced some expansion to burglary the burglary
statues here in Utah, making it better for the city honestly.
And we're going to have Representative Jack on with his
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with his newest one for this next session and maybe
ask him his views on what he thinks about the
coming bills for this next session.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bill What have you got?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, we're going to cover some DWR calendar events. We've
got a few things, just friendly reminders of what's coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And then I'll explain to people what DWR.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Is DWR Divisional Wildlife Resources. I mean, usually in the past,
this time of the year we'd be putting in for
our big game applications. That has now kind of been
pushed out a couple of months. But we'll talk about
that in the dates that are coming. And then also
if you did put in for your Spring Turkey tag,
those draw results will be coming up this Wednesday, so
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fingers crossed that I might draw. I mean think you
think you just get a tag. I've gotten a spring
turkey tag in three years and a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You've tried and I've gotten one for three years.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Been unsuccessful for three years, so I'm hoping this is
my year. It's getting crazy. It's a turkey. It's forty
bucks for turkey.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But it's well, you know what it could be because
the last time you shot a turkey was at the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So well, I apologie. They probably banned you for a while. No,
they let me back.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Really Okay, Hey, there's plenty of turkeys on my on
my access road just by yah, just on the west
side of the house there.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So the other thing I want to cover, and you
were going to mention it and you haven't yet, is
January has a very special date coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Shots. Let me ask you that. Let me just ask
you this. Okay, So what does the Utah State Legislature.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The Shot Show the twenty twenty five Shot Show from
the National Shooting Sports Foundation and John Moses Browning birthday
all have in common?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Why I kind of know the answer, Well you kind
of know because I told you what do they have
in common? Then Bill, they're all on the same day.
They're all the same day.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That is correct, and maybe Representative Jack can explain why
do we have.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, it's not official.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's not official though that John Moses Browning's birth starts.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But Shot Show is but Shot Show, Yeah, I was hoping.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So to the listeners of Gun Radio Utah, they know
that Bill and I typically attend.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The Shot Show.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean, I've been the end of the Shot Show
except for when it was in Florida and COVID for
the last fifteen years and have a fun time and
really you know, connected. But we have some big, big
bills this legislative session and Shot Show starts on the
twenty first, and the Utah State Legislature starts on the
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twenty first, and try as I might, you know, with
zoom mountain calls in the in the committees and that
kind of stuff, I just don't feel right about about leaving. Well,
it sounds like Utah shocking Sports Council responsibility to a
zoom call and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So I going to be needed up on the hills.
That sounds like you're going to be needed up on
the hill. Oh yeah, very first day.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So yeah, well I doubt I doubt it'll be the
very first day because there's a lot of stuff going
on the first day.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'll have to ask the Representative Jack if they're actually
going to have committee hearings on the first day. But uh,
second segment, we are going to have Representative Jack on.
Fantastic to a supporter, fantastic representative. If you don't know
Representative Jack, you've got to get to know him. And uh,
I've been totally impressed by all the bills he's carried.
All right, so we're gonna we're gonna cover that. We're
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gonna cover what have.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We got on? Oh, we've got Bill.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I wanted to thank you publicly for coming to ghost
Guy Manor this last week and helping me put in
to the which what I want to call that room,
my my necessities room. I think I don't know anyway, Well,
all know what we're talking about here. It's a fortified
necessities room. And you helped me install i'd say eighty
(06:16):
percent of my wall covering from salt Lake City palette walls.
And I got to tell you I had I had
it envisioned in my mind how it was going to look.
And it was like double or triple that and so easy,
so dang easy to do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And it's something that that I did, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of course, with your help, we had what'd you think
of dinner the first night?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It was it was it was very nice and how.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I basically boiled a steak for you. Yeah, you
know those seal a meal bags which but it was
a souv. It's the it's the South vide or suv.
And we cooked it medium rare for you. Yeah, we
did a rip We did three rip by steaks, Casey,
Jane and I and you and we we cut them
with our Hoffners, with our Hofter's steak knife set.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. Now there's dot com. There's an endorsement.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you want a really nice set of steak knives,
head over to Hoffner dot com and and uh check.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It might be hoff Nurse.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It is with it is Hoffnurs dot com and and
check they have a really cool carving knife.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I gotta get to but these steak knives. Uh. Not
that it was a tough steak though bill no not,
but but it cuts it like butter.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So anyway, Hey, um, we're gonna we're gonna bow out
a minute early on this one. Don't worry, it all comes.
We get that extra minute back on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
As we're mentioning earlier in the previous segment, legislation's coming up,
and I want to encourage all of our listeners and
UH to go out to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot
org and right there on the homepage, right at the
very top, just click on Alerts. Get signed up for
our email alerts. This is the best way to keep
you informed of the upcoming legislation issues that are going
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to be going on, some of the bills that we're
going to be working on. If we need some assistance,
we'll explain to you how to reach out to your
representative to get their take on it and encourage them
to vote properly on these second Amendment items. And it's amazing, Clark,
how quick we come up on this part of the year.
I mean, it just seems like yesterday and we're just
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finishing twenty twenty four and here we are in twenty
twenty five legislation.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But it's a good time.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I enjoy going up there, meeting with our representatives and
sitting on some of these committees.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But you've got a great guest here. I want you
to introduce.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, speaking of bills, bill, we have Representative Calin Jack.
Representative Jack, welcome to Gun Radio, Utah. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Thank you, thanks for reminding me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, I had to invite you because you've got for
the last two years now well the last session, twenty
twenty four session and this session, you've got bills dealing
with burglary. And this one really popped up because this
your concept is to include firearm storage devices in burglary.
(09:21):
Can you explain your bill to the degree you can.
I realize it's not one hundred percent out yet, and
so thank you for you know, kind of giving us
the sneak peek at it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically what this deals with and this,
like the other burglary bill that I ran in twenty
twenty four, came to me from constituents. Constituents come to
me and they say, we've got this problem. We really
think somebody should do something about it. So I ran
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that bill with a specific aspect of burglary. And when
we were running that bill, another constituent came to me
and said, hey, what about gun safs? And I says, ooh,
that's an excellent idea. I mean the twenty four session was,
you know, it was pretty much over. I said, we've
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missed this boat, but let me definitely put it on
my agenda for twenty five. So that's what this is.
And so we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think we've we lost Representative Jack there for just
a second. Oh well, can you repeat that, we lost
your right when you were saying we were talking about
such and such.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Okay, sorry, Yeah, so we talked about gun safs and
but in code we want to be more inclusive so
that we cover more bases. And so here we talk
about a firearm storage container. So it can be a box,
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a case, a chest, a locker, a safe, or other
receptacle that can be locked or secured in a manner
to prevent an individual from accessing the contents, and is
designed to contain a firearm. So you know, you can
think about the various places you might store your firearm safely,
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whether it's in your home, in your car. This also
addresses a railroad car and so a place that you've
kept your firearm safely locked and stored, then if someone
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tampers with that in the course of a burglary, then
then this is an enhanced penalty.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So, whether they get into it and access the firearm
or not, if they have tampered with it, they try
to pick it, they try to pry it open, they
try to do anything to access it, they have now
just had an enhanced burglary charge.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, so this this becomes a third degree felony.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So yeah, all right, So my question is how did
the prosecutors, the Prosecutors Association of the Prosecutors, how have
they responded to this in last year's bill, and how
do you think and have you heard anything from this
year's bill?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah? So last year, last year, what we dealt with
was was your your home alarm or your home communication system. Right,
if somebody is disabling your your home alarm or your communications,
then that that created a separate felony for for that burglary.
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Burglary is already a felony, but if now, if you've
disabled that homeowner's ability to communicate, then then that's that's
another felony. And you can imagine all the bad things
that that could come with and why that needed to happen,
and apparently it was. It was a big problem all
up and down the state, which is why my constituents
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brought that to me.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, I'm so glad because we've been hearing more and
more about you know, we have our blank cameras and
wise cameras and Vivid and all these kind of different
cameras in that and we're hearing about the new ways,
the new technology that allows some of these criminals to
bypass them or shut them off somehow. And so your
bill last year would cover that.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Hey, Bill, my co host really liked your bill.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
For Bill, explain why you appreciated Representative Jack's bill this year.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, yeah, I was, you know, because everyone thinks of
the home environment with a gun, say for a gun
locker or whatever, and we have to do our firearms.
And but now we're bringing this to to a vehicle
as well, because now, yeah, and you mentioned it earlier,
we can get locking devices for firearms within the vehicle.
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But what I like about this is in line, what
was I was looking at one of your lines on this.
Let me see if I can find it here real
quick talked about anything about the device intended hold on once.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Acond I had it right here. I should we know
what you're talking about. If it's intended to keep it secure.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, if it's designed to keep it secure, and if
someone just inadvertently opens up that device, does that make sense?
Representative Jack? If I have my gun in a case,
let's say a glock case. I just bought my block,
my brand new block comes in a little pistol case,
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and I have someone in my house that shouldn't be there,
not supposed to be a possession of a firearm, and
they open that case, wouldn't this also apply to them
as well?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
If if that if that case was lockable, I think
it would so. So it if in the commission of
a burglary, if they're attempting to or they're they're committing
the burglary or fleeing from the burglary, if they damage
or disable or temple tamper with it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I think I'm going to point out something in
Utah law and in many states that have the obviously
most states have burglary, you don't have to to commit
the crime of burglary. You don't have to break and enter,
You don't even have to steal anything. All you have
to do is have the intent when you enter a
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building doesn't have to be a home, and in fact,
Utah includes vehicle burglary specifically too. To enter a building
with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could
be theft that con or you know, stealing something that's
on yours. That crime could be an assault. That crime
could be, you know, sexual battery. It could be any
almost any crime that you could intend to do. Well
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before you enter the building and you commit that crime,
whether you actually follow through with it or have the
opportunity to, you've already committed burglary the moment you step
foot across that threshold. And so I really like this
interesting thing about glockcases bill. You know, the black block
cases that your your new glock comes in. They're actually
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made of the exact same polymer that the glock is
made of itself. So just drawn that out there. It's
interesting little thing. So Representative Jack, So you haven't heard
any any yaser NAIs from prosecutors on this one, or
have you?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Well, so the prosecutors I have shared this bill with them,
as well as with you, And they were the ones
who actually pointed out that we hadn't included vehicles and
railroad cars, and so we said, oh, well, let's we
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didn't intend to leave those out. They were just in
a separate they were in a separate section of code.
So thanks to their input, we have drawn in those
other two sections of code.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I have a question about railroad cars. Is this because
a manufacturer is shipping firearms in containers in railroad cars?
Because I know that in some areas manufacturers won't even
ship through like the cities of Oakland, California. Hey, sorry
to hit on you, Oakland, but you know one of
my kind of my hometown there is that. Why, like
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railroad cars, are we talking about passenger railroad car type things?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Well, I guess in my imagination I thought about a
passenger car, but yuh, but maybe maybe that did deal
with other transportation modes.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I have talked to Yeah, I've talked to an FFL
who has many different locations across the nation, and they
said they won't even ship a ship a gun if
it has to go through certain ports, They'll find a
different way to ship it because on the railroads, because
it's just a free for all on some of those.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I can imagine. So this bill should
cover whether they've been damaged your gun safe and therefore
trying to steal it, or whether they damaged it and
just intended to deprive you from using it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, Well, I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think it's great, and I hope you know, we'll
probably ask led research for you if this inde if
it includes like a vault door type of a thing.
I would imagine it would. I would think it would,
but we want to make sure. So I got to
tell you, represent what are your thoughts in the next
let's say thirty seconds forty five seconds, your thoughts on
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the on the upcoming legislature which starts twenty first.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah. I think it's going to be a very busy session.
I think there will be lots of important topics talked about.
We have a lot to do with energy, which is
the committee that I chair Public Utilities and Energy. And
you may recall last session most of the gun bills
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came through our pus, which.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Is so true. Yeah, they move and they move.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
There's a raft of immigration prime bills that will be
rolled out on Monday. I won't steal that thunder. But
I think there's a press conference called for Monday morning
to deal with some of that, and so I think
you'll see a lot of important law being drafted this session.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Representative Jack, thank you so much for being on Gun
Radio Utah. Where appreciate your insight and your leadership. All right,
when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, there's lots
more to come, So stay tuned. You need to keep
listening to us, and you can listen to us on
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Speaker 3 (20:21):
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
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Speaker 2 (20:39):
Denny.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Denny does a fantastic job, our producer of getting them
right on there. And hey, uh, you know, if you've
got a gun that is not everything you want it
to be. It's got a crack stock, it's got some
scratches on it, it's not functioning the way you need
it to. It's missing a part because you took it apart,
or your spouse maybe was messing with it. She lost
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a part, doesn't know where it is, and you can't
find it easy. Get your gun. Whatever the problem is,
get her over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Uh, you can take it right to them at sixteen
thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You
can give them a call it eight oh one three
zero four eighty seventy, or take it into any of
the over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations.
Tell them to get it to the gunsmith and fix
whatever problem.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They'll communicate with you over.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The phone and email and get your gun perfect showroom condition,
nice enough to hang on your Salt Lake City pallette walls.
Pallette wall, right, Bill, I mean there you go. Yeah,
I mean there's a segue for you. There you go, Yeah,
Salt Lake Palette walls.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And that's the SLC SLSLC Palette walls. And actually they're
at the gun show this weekend out at the Rocky
Mountain at Mountain A man's over there union.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, so say hi to Dan if you're listening, Say
how to Dan at SLC.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Pallete Walls dot com.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and yeah, And you know what, we can speak
of this because both Bill and I both have these things.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And in fact, I'm looking at yours right now.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, you're you're looking at mine right now. And we're
going to have Dan on next week in studio to
talk about this. And and you're a lot of people
are going, what does Pallette walls have to do with guns?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I'll tell you this. If you've got a gun room,
a man cave.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Necessity room right out, a necessity room, a panic room, whatever,
and you need to doll it up a little, I'll
tell you this.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
These Pallette walls are awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And I'm not going to say I'm gonna say man
it up, because this is not anything to do.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, not doll it up, but maybe man it up.
But yeah, I mean they're they're really easy to set up.
And and Danny, our producer, you can see mine right
behind me. I've got some pictures on it now, and
I got the old eighteen ninety seven shot gun up
on there on the I mean, it really turned out well,
and yours is turning out really really nice as well, Clark.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Take a look, go to the website, take a look
at some of the options you've got. You will be
amazed and probably come up with a whole bunch of
ideas for your own home, indoors and outdoors, I think. Anyway, Hey, Bill,
I just got a text from FMB.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
What if you did?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Do you have it a hand? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I got one as well too, So flash my brass
is running their New Year's deal. Now they've got one
that's going till today. But if you're looking for nine
mil norma Ammo, this is full metal jacket. You can
get four hundred rounds with an AMMO can ready for
this ninety nine bucks? Okay, yeah, hell yeah, Well I
do say Federal full Metal Jacket thousand round case two
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forty nine.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
They've got some tack twenty two.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
They've got some five to five six four hundred rounds
with an AMMO can two hundred bucks and our favorite
round if our favorite round the three eighty auto uh
all a point two hundred and fifty rounds plus amial
can seventy nine bucks. They guarantee the lowest prices you
can find them at four thirty eight West one hundred
and twenty one twenty three zero zero, one hundred and
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twenty third for US local guys South and Draper and
then also on eighteen oh two sand Hill Road in
ORM And Yeah, stop by. They'll always work with you,
and go on their website check out their AMO deals there.
They do ship and if maybe you have a unique
special round that you just can't find, I give Old
(24:30):
Brent a call and see what they can come up
with for you. I'm sure they can find what you're
looking for. So anyway, flash my brass.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
All right, Bill, what if you were going to say
something about DNR or DWR or did you already do that?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, we did talk about a little bit earlier. We
got Turkey results are coming out for the spring Turkey Hunt.
The limited entry These are the eliminated entry tags. They'll
be posted this Wednesday on the eighth Big Game season.
Those will the draw application will actually hit on March twentieth.
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So we got some time on that one, and as
that gets closer, we'll let you know so you don't
forget to put in. So if there's anything you need
to do right now, make sure you've put in your
draw results from this last year's hunt. They only like
to give you thirty days on those. But if you don't,
if you haven't put in your draw results from your
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previous hunts, and this includes just you know, your your
regular big game tags. If you didn't draw one, they
want you to put your draw results on that, that'll
permit that'll hinder you from getting a permit this next year.
So make sure you go put that information in.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
All right, Hey, Bill, there's no segue into this.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I just you know, I promised I would talk about
the changing demography. I think that's demographics maybe of firearm
ownership and why. You know, maybe a long time ago
you owned guns for hunting and that was a primary
reason and it was mostly males that were doing that.
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Now we're seeing this huge uptick, and I think the
numbers along with the dates really say something with regards
to what's going on in the United States right now.
There's a surge in new gun buyers and a Gallop Pole. Now,
Gallup is a fairly respected kind of middle.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Of the road.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I don't think they play they pulling punches on you know,
right or left, but the Gallup Pole highlights a growing
shift in firearm ownership, purchase, possession, carrying that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And it's very simple.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
More women, more minorities are and I saw that more
women and more minorities are buying guns, and they're buying handguns.
Handguns aren't necessarily used for hunting. You can, there are
some and Bill, I happen to know of a recent
incident with you in a handgun and an elk. But anyway,
that's beside the point. We aren't going to even talk
about that anyway. So it's interesting on these dates though.
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So in from two thousand and seven to twenty twelve,
there was about nineteen percent of Republican women, it was
Republican women who owned and purchased firearms. Okay, Now in
the last four years, think of what's what we've what
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we've endured in the last four years, which which administration
was a Biden administration from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's actually five years.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But anyway, it's jumped from nineteen percent to thirty three
percent in one administration, Thanks Denny.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And we're going to go a little bit like this
here like that, Okay, all right, So and that's a
huge jump.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's an enormously huge jump, and it's not special to
just Republicans. Democrats are seeing a huge increase Democratic women
and minorities in the Democratic Party when they do that,
seeing a huge thing. What that tells me is this,
given the same time period as defunding the police, we
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have prosecutors not prosecuting criminals and literally releasing them from jail.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think we find that.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That people are having that again, that epiphany of their
own vulnerability, so and realizing it's freedom, it's choice, it's
personal protection.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And let me ask you your ability self reliance.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So let me ask you a question on that. Okay,
so we've seen what the numbers have been, you know
their historical numbers here. Now what do you think the
next four years are going to look like?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, that's interesting, it's an interesting question. You think, hey,
we're going to buy even more guns. But I don't
know that we're going to have that feeling of vulnerability
if if we continue to see some of these cities,
especially these blue cities, that are defunding the police, not
prosecuting criminals and releasing criminals that they did catch from jail, yeah,
I think we'll continue to see that. But I think
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this increase in firearm ownership by a demographic which was
not typically big on guns aspec as handguns is huge.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
One last thing before we go to break here.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The Mayor Adams of New York when they were doing
their December thirty first preview and big spotlight. One of
the key things I took away from his little speech
there is he's talking about, you know, being alert, be
vigilant and all that. He says, you know, and we've
heard this before, if you see something, say something.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, say something, say something.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
He went one step further, he said, see something, do something?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Change?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What are you going to do a change thing that
you see? Thing?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, what are you gonna do about the something that
you see if you don't have something to do it with?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Exactly exactly So when you more, Yeah, one more segment
we got for You'll make sure you stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Will be right back. But we didn't Yeah, we didn't
do We didn't do any shooting.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
When I was out there in the old homeland there
and I brought all my stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It wasn't my fault.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You could you had a window, you had a window
that faced the canal.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Bill. That's true.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You could have just set up your little raccoon calling
speaker thing right there and blasted away.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But you didn't do it. So next that I know of,
I didn't see empty showcases by the window sill. All right,
welcome back to gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I am your host, Clark Opotion co hosting across the
way over there in the snowy in the in the snow,
we don't have snow at Ghost I manner right now.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But I gotta come up with a name. I mean,
I just got the history lesson of Ghost die. Uh
when I came out there. I need to I guess.
Then you come up with a name for my place. Now,
I'll come up with something pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So yeah, well it won't be as good as Ghost I.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But anyway, all right, So I wanted to talk about
Poland a little bit. Poland's proximity to the Ukraine and
Russia is causing some again Polish people. I love the
word epiphany of a vulnerability, and they are training their
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young men and women, and I'm talking about kids eleven
years old. Fourteen fifteen sixteen, I watched a Polish kind
of a kind of an NPR of Poland, and right
in the schools, they have maths, they call it maths.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They have plural math maths.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They have science, they have history, and then they go
into the gym and they've got full on assault weapons.
And anyway, they had some fns, and they had some acays,
and they had some it looked like mostly I think
is what they were. They are training these kids how
to shoot, how to load, how to fire, how to
how to break these things down, how to acquire different
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shooting positions, all sorts of stuff, boys and girls.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And guess what, it's not optional, it's mandatory.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
The Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Education got
together in Poland and said, because of the proximity and
what's going on in the Ukraine, they are training their
young men and women, the school aged kids to defend
the homeland, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
What do you think, Bill, you think, well, and this
mandatory as of three months ago, mandatory?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I think history is is is probably the history
lesson is probably teaching them more than anything, you know,
of the vulnerability that they could be with Russia. I mean,
we're watching things right now in Ukraine and and now
I mean we're starting to here threats of you know, China,
invasion of Taiwan. I think that Poland and the other
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countries that will probably do similar thing like that.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Over there. I watched a gun store.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean they they this this article I watched also,
uh talked about you know, regular regular Polish folks going
into a gun store buying some automatic what what many
of the left would call assault weapons.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, look and remember, it wasn't that long ago October seventh, Israel.
And what did the residents of Israel get to do.
They got to go and expedite their gun permits really quick.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
But for what was today, it was a bit too late.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And you know what, they lived in proximity to people
that hated them to literally to death.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And they were unarmed.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Uh not a not a good It's a recipe for disaster,
quite honestly, because not only were they unarmed, the other
side knew they were unarmed.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Well, so we just announced all that big guns that
buy back what they call it a buyback, but the
big gun confaence in Canada, Well guess what, Canada, We're
not doing that, so watch.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Out well, and you know, I mean it's yeah, so
exactly disarmament. Disarmament by any other means leaves your vulnerable.
Talking about disarmament, let's see what we got. Yeah, we
got enough time. So there's a.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
New So those that have listened to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Before know of our disdain for erpos or what they
call red flag laws, which basically means they're going to
commit You haven't committed a crime, you're not even suspected
of committing a crime. You're suspected or thought that you
might at some point commit a crime, either agunst yourself
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or someone else. And you have firearms. You have many
other dangerous things in your home too, but you have firearms.
And so without any due process, which means you don't
go to quart or anything, you lose those guns with
a red flag law. And twenty one out of the
fifty states have those right now some degree. Some have
yellow flags and red anyways, we do not, you tell
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us not. We have resisted those attempts year after year,
and but and so they pretty much hit a stall
right now on the on the hand ringing bedwetterers. If
hit a stall on the states, twenty one states out there,
and thank you, Jenny. So now they're trying something different
and realize once you're on that list, you cannot own
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a gun, possess a gun, or buy a gun.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Or ammunition.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I think either and and again remember you haven't committed
a crime. They just think because of you know, some
of your post posts on Facebook maybe that you have.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Now they're going to expand it to kids.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I said, well, kids can't buy guns anyway, what
do we what's this about? Well, it's a it's a
way around. So you're going to get a red flag
law on miners now and it's going to be given
to the parents, and the parents now lose their guns
because they're kid has a red flag law. And yeah,
in some of them it requires the guns to be
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taken out of the house. In other UH bills, in
other states it requires law enforcement to seize those firearms
from the parents because the kids have a red flag law.
That's crazy, crazy, crazy, It's absolutely it's it's crazy talk.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Uh Bill.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I really liked what you said about the mayor of
New York City, which was which was amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What did he say, now, Well, he said, you know,
see something, do something? On some you know, do you
see something, do something?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So see, is this in reference to like the Daniel
Penny subway thing or.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I really think it has something to do with that,
because he he did bring that up as well, he says,
you know, even though an innocent man, uh you know,
was involved with it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
But yeah, so if you see something, do something, and.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
If you see something, do something and then relow and
do more of that something too, probably.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
As well exactly, And we'll see you next week, Thanks Clark,
and have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thanks Jenny.
New Year's Welcome for the first show of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We are in our pill.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I think it's our eleventh year to Gun Radio Utah,
No apologies. Sitting across in a virtual way from representative
from I saw representative from Director of the Utah Shooting
Sports Council, Bill Petterson, and I see Denny Wright there,
our fantastic producer. We have a surprise second segment coming up, fantastic.
(00:28):
That'll be a lot of fun. We've got one heck
of a show for the New Year's we're going to
be talking about. Well, one I do definitely want to
cover is what is Poland doing with I mean their
proximity to Russia and Ukraine and with the kind.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of history there. What is Russia doing or.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
No, what is Poland doing, if anything, to prepare for
what might possibly be some awkwardness going on over there.
If red flaglaw you thought you'd hurt it all twenty
one in the last twenty five years, they've had twenty
one states in act red flag laws, which is essentially
(01:09):
a gun confiscation without due process, and they've hit a
stalemate now, So what are they doing now to think
to expanding that We're definitely going to be talking about that.
And what have I got? Oh? Are women buying more firearms? Well,
we have the answer to that, and how much more
(01:32):
or less in I think we'll do that third segment,
We definitely have that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And what else? Did I I hit something else? Oh? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The big thing is we're going to be talking with
Representative Colin Jack. Representative Jack has for the last well
last year, also introduced some expansion to burglary the burglary
statues here in Utah, making it better for the city honestly.
And we're going to have Representative Jack on with his
(02:06):
with his newest one for this next session and maybe
ask him his views on what he thinks about the
coming bills for this next session.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bill What have you got?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, we're going to cover some DWR calendar events. We've
got a few things, just friendly reminders of what's coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And then I'll explain to people what DWR.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Is DWR Divisional Wildlife Resources. I mean, usually in the past,
this time of the year we'd be putting in for
our big game applications. That has now kind of been
pushed out a couple of months. But we'll talk about
that in the dates that are coming. And then also
if you did put in for your Spring Turkey tag,
those draw results will be coming up this Wednesday, so
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fingers crossed that I might draw. I mean think you
think you just get a tag. I've gotten a spring
turkey tag in three years and a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You've tried and I've gotten one for three years.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Been unsuccessful for three years, so I'm hoping this is
my year. It's getting crazy. It's a turkey. It's forty
bucks for turkey.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But it's well, you know what it could be because
the last time you shot a turkey was at the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So well, I apologie. They probably banned you for a while. No,
they let me back.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Really Okay, Hey, there's plenty of turkeys on my on
my access road just by yah, just on the west
side of the house there.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So the other thing I want to cover, and you
were going to mention it and you haven't yet, is
January has a very special date coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Shots. Let me ask you that. Let me just ask
you this. Okay, So what does the Utah State Legislature.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The Shot Show the twenty twenty five Shot Show from
the National Shooting Sports Foundation and John Moses Browning birthday
all have in common?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Why I kind of know the answer, Well you kind
of know because I told you what do they have
in common? Then Bill, they're all on the same day.
They're all the same day.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That is correct, and maybe Representative Jack can explain why
do we have.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, it's not official.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's not official though that John Moses Browning's birth starts.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But Shot Show is but Shot Show, Yeah, I was hoping.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So to the listeners of Gun Radio Utah, they know
that Bill and I typically attend.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The Shot Show.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean, I've been the end of the Shot Show
except for when it was in Florida and COVID for
the last fifteen years and have a fun time and
really you know, connected. But we have some big, big
bills this legislative session and Shot Show starts on the
twenty first, and the Utah State Legislature starts on the
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twenty first, and try as I might, you know, with
zoom mountain calls in the in the committees and that
kind of stuff, I just don't feel right about about leaving. Well,
it sounds like Utah shocking Sports Council responsibility to a
zoom call and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So I going to be needed up on the hills.
That sounds like you're going to be needed up on
the hill. Oh yeah, very first day.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So yeah, well I doubt I doubt it'll be the
very first day because there's a lot of stuff going
on the first day.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'll have to ask the Representative Jack if they're actually
going to have committee hearings on the first day. But uh,
second segment, we are going to have Representative Jack on.
Fantastic to a supporter, fantastic representative. If you don't know
Representative Jack, you've got to get to know him. And uh,
I've been totally impressed by all the bills he's carried.
All right, so we're gonna we're gonna cover that. We're
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gonna cover what have.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We got on? Oh, we've got Bill.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I wanted to thank you publicly for coming to ghost
Guy Manor this last week and helping me put in
to the which what I want to call that room,
my my necessities room. I think I don't know anyway, Well,
all know what we're talking about here. It's a fortified
necessities room. And you helped me install i'd say eighty
(06:16):
percent of my wall covering from salt Lake City palette walls.
And I got to tell you I had I had
it envisioned in my mind how it was going to look.
And it was like double or triple that and so easy,
so dang easy to do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And it's something that that I did, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of course, with your help, we had what'd you think
of dinner the first night?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It was it was it was very nice and how.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I basically boiled a steak for you. Yeah, you
know those seal a meal bags which but it was
a souv. It's the it's the South vide or suv.
And we cooked it medium rare for you. Yeah, we
did a rip We did three rip by steaks, Casey,
Jane and I and you and we we cut them
with our Hoffners, with our Hofter's steak knife set.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. Now there's dot com. There's an endorsement.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you want a really nice set of steak knives,
head over to Hoffner dot com and and uh check.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It might be hoff Nurse.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It is with it is Hoffnurs dot com and and
check they have a really cool carving knife.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I gotta get to but these steak knives. Uh. Not
that it was a tough steak though bill no not,
but but it cuts it like butter.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So anyway, Hey, um, we're gonna we're gonna bow out
a minute early on this one. Don't worry, it all comes.
We get that extra minute back on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
As we're mentioning earlier in the previous segment, legislation's coming up,
and I want to encourage all of our listeners and
UH to go out to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot
org and right there on the homepage, right at the
very top, just click on Alerts. Get signed up for
our email alerts. This is the best way to keep
you informed of the upcoming legislation issues that are going
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to be going on, some of the bills that we're
going to be working on. If we need some assistance,
we'll explain to you how to reach out to your
representative to get their take on it and encourage them
to vote properly on these second Amendment items. And it's amazing, Clark,
how quick we come up on this part of the year.
I mean, it just seems like yesterday and we're just
(08:31):
finishing twenty twenty four and here we are in twenty
twenty five legislation.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But it's a good time.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I enjoy going up there, meeting with our representatives and
sitting on some of these committees.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But you've got a great guest here. I want you
to introduce.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, speaking of bills, bill, we have Representative Calin Jack.
Representative Jack, welcome to Gun Radio, Utah. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Thank you, thanks for reminding me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, I had to invite you because you've got for
the last two years now well the last session, twenty
twenty four session and this session, you've got bills dealing
with burglary. And this one really popped up because this
your concept is to include firearm storage devices in burglary.
(09:21):
Can you explain your bill to the degree you can.
I realize it's not one hundred percent out yet, and
so thank you for you know, kind of giving us
the sneak peek at it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically what this deals with and this,
like the other burglary bill that I ran in twenty
twenty four, came to me from constituents. Constituents come to
me and they say, we've got this problem. We really
think somebody should do something about it. So I ran
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that bill with a specific aspect of burglary. And when
we were running that bill, another constituent came to me
and said, hey, what about gun safs? And I says, ooh,
that's an excellent idea. I mean the twenty four session was,
you know, it was pretty much over. I said, we've
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missed this boat, but let me definitely put it on
my agenda for twenty five. So that's what this is.
And so we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think we've we lost Representative Jack there for just
a second. Oh well, can you repeat that, we lost
your right when you were saying we were talking about
such and such.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Okay, sorry, Yeah, so we talked about gun safs and
but in code we want to be more inclusive so
that we cover more bases. And so here we talk
about a firearm storage container. So it can be a box,
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a case, a chest, a locker, a safe, or other
receptacle that can be locked or secured in a manner
to prevent an individual from accessing the contents, and is
designed to contain a firearm. So you know, you can
think about the various places you might store your firearm safely,
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whether it's in your home, in your car. This also
addresses a railroad car and so a place that you've
kept your firearm safely locked and stored, then if someone
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tampers with that in the course of a burglary, then
then this is an enhanced penalty.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So, whether they get into it and access the firearm
or not, if they have tampered with it, they try
to pick it, they try to pry it open, they
try to do anything to access it, they have now
just had an enhanced burglary charge.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, so this this becomes a third degree felony.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So yeah, all right, So my question is how did
the prosecutors, the Prosecutors Association of the Prosecutors, how have
they responded to this in last year's bill, and how
do you think and have you heard anything from this
year's bill?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah? So last year, last year, what we dealt with
was was your your home alarm or your home communication system. Right,
if somebody is disabling your your home alarm or your communications,
then that that created a separate felony for for that burglary.
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Burglary is already a felony, but if now, if you've
disabled that homeowner's ability to communicate, then then that's that's
another felony. And you can imagine all the bad things
that that could come with and why that needed to happen,
and apparently it was. It was a big problem all
up and down the state, which is why my constituents
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brought that to me.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, I'm so glad because we've been hearing more and
more about you know, we have our blank cameras and
wise cameras and Vivid and all these kind of different
cameras in that and we're hearing about the new ways,
the new technology that allows some of these criminals to
bypass them or shut them off somehow. And so your
bill last year would cover that.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Hey, Bill, my co host really liked your bill.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
For Bill, explain why you appreciated Representative Jack's bill this year.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, yeah, I was, you know, because everyone thinks of
the home environment with a gun, say for a gun
locker or whatever, and we have to do our firearms.
And but now we're bringing this to to a vehicle
as well, because now, yeah, and you mentioned it earlier,
we can get locking devices for firearms within the vehicle.
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But what I like about this is in line, what
was I was looking at one of your lines on this.
Let me see if I can find it here real
quick talked about anything about the device intended hold on once.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Acond I had it right here. I should we know
what you're talking about. If it's intended to keep it secure.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, if it's designed to keep it secure, and if
someone just inadvertently opens up that device, does that make sense?
Representative Jack? If I have my gun in a case,
let's say a glock case. I just bought my block,
my brand new block comes in a little pistol case,
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and I have someone in my house that shouldn't be there,
not supposed to be a possession of a firearm, and
they open that case, wouldn't this also apply to them
as well?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
If if that if that case was lockable, I think
it would so. So it if in the commission of
a burglary, if they're attempting to or they're they're committing
the burglary or fleeing from the burglary, if they damage
or disable or temple tamper with it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I think I'm going to point out something in
Utah law and in many states that have the obviously
most states have burglary, you don't have to to commit
the crime of burglary. You don't have to break and enter,
You don't even have to steal anything. All you have
to do is have the intent when you enter a
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building doesn't have to be a home, and in fact,
Utah includes vehicle burglary specifically too. To enter a building
with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could
be theft that con or you know, stealing something that's
on yours. That crime could be an assault. That crime
could be, you know, sexual battery. It could be any
almost any crime that you could intend to do. Well
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before you enter the building and you commit that crime,
whether you actually follow through with it or have the
opportunity to, you've already committed burglary the moment you step
foot across that threshold. And so I really like this
interesting thing about glockcases bill. You know, the black block
cases that your your new glock comes in. They're actually
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made of the exact same polymer that the glock is
made of itself. So just drawn that out there. It's
interesting little thing. So Representative Jack, So you haven't heard
any any yaser NAIs from prosecutors on this one, or
have you?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Well, so the prosecutors I have shared this bill with them,
as well as with you, And they were the ones
who actually pointed out that we hadn't included vehicles and
railroad cars, and so we said, oh, well, let's we
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didn't intend to leave those out. They were just in
a separate they were in a separate section of code.
So thanks to their input, we have drawn in those
other two sections of code.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I have a question about railroad cars. Is this because
a manufacturer is shipping firearms in containers in railroad cars?
Because I know that in some areas manufacturers won't even
ship through like the cities of Oakland, California. Hey, sorry
to hit on you, Oakland, but you know one of
my kind of my hometown there is that. Why, like
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railroad cars, are we talking about passenger railroad car type things?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Well, I guess in my imagination I thought about a
passenger car, but yuh, but maybe maybe that did deal
with other transportation modes.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I have talked to Yeah, I've talked to an FFL
who has many different locations across the nation, and they
said they won't even ship a ship a gun if
it has to go through certain ports, They'll find a
different way to ship it because on the railroads, because
it's just a free for all on some of those.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I can imagine. So this bill should
cover whether they've been damaged your gun safe and therefore
trying to steal it, or whether they damaged it and
just intended to deprive you from using it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, Well, I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think it's great, and I hope you know, we'll
probably ask led research for you if this inde if
it includes like a vault door type of a thing.
I would imagine it would. I would think it would,
but we want to make sure. So I got to
tell you, represent what are your thoughts in the next
let's say thirty seconds forty five seconds, your thoughts on
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the on the upcoming legislature which starts twenty first.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah. I think it's going to be a very busy session.
I think there will be lots of important topics talked about.
We have a lot to do with energy, which is
the committee that I chair Public Utilities and Energy. And
you may recall last session most of the gun bills
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came through our pus, which.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Is so true. Yeah, they move and they move.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
There's a raft of immigration prime bills that will be
rolled out on Monday. I won't steal that thunder. But
I think there's a press conference called for Monday morning
to deal with some of that, and so I think
you'll see a lot of important law being drafted this session.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Representative Jack, thank you so much for being on Gun
Radio Utah. Where appreciate your insight and your leadership. All right,
when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, there's lots
more to come, So stay tuned. You need to keep
listening to us, and you can listen to us on
podcasts uh K and ars.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No is it it's it's kinars dot Com. No, it's
or is it?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
iHeart iHeartMedia, iHeartMedia. Yea, thank you, Pach, iHeartMedia.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Google dot com slash.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah gun Radio Utah and you'll bring it right up.
So if you just google.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Gun Radio Utah, you can get our up to date
podcast within like fifteen twenty minutes after the show ends
something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Denny.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Denny does a fantastic job, our producer of getting them
right on there. And hey, uh, you know, if you've
got a gun that is not everything you want it
to be. It's got a crack stock, it's got some
scratches on it, it's not functioning the way you need
it to. It's missing a part because you took it apart,
or your spouse maybe was messing with it. She lost
(21:01):
a part, doesn't know where it is, and you can't
find it easy. Get your gun. Whatever the problem is,
get her over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Uh, you can take it right to them at sixteen
thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You
can give them a call it eight oh one three
zero four eighty seventy, or take it into any of
the over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations.
Tell them to get it to the gunsmith and fix
whatever problem.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They'll communicate with you over.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The phone and email and get your gun perfect showroom condition,
nice enough to hang on your Salt Lake City pallette walls.
Pallette wall, right, Bill, I mean there you go. Yeah,
I mean there's a segue for you. There you go, Yeah,
Salt Lake Palette walls.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And that's the SLC SLSLC Palette walls. And actually they're
at the gun show this weekend out at the Rocky
Mountain at Mountain A man's over there union.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, so say hi to Dan if you're listening, Say
how to Dan at SLC.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Pallete Walls dot com.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and yeah, And you know what, we can speak
of this because both Bill and I both have these things.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And in fact, I'm looking at yours right now.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, you're you're looking at mine right now. And we're
going to have Dan on next week in studio to
talk about this. And and you're a lot of people
are going, what does Pallette walls have to do with guns?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I'll tell you this. If you've got a gun room,
a man cave.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Necessity room right out, a necessity room, a panic room, whatever,
and you need to doll it up a little, I'll
tell you this.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
These Pallette walls are awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And I'm not going to say I'm gonna say man
it up, because this is not anything to do.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, not doll it up, but maybe man it up.
But yeah, I mean they're they're really easy to set up.
And and Danny, our producer, you can see mine right
behind me. I've got some pictures on it now, and
I got the old eighteen ninety seven shot gun up
on there on the I mean, it really turned out well,
and yours is turning out really really nice as well, Clark.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Take a look, go to the website, take a look
at some of the options you've got. You will be
amazed and probably come up with a whole bunch of
ideas for your own home, indoors and outdoors, I think. Anyway, Hey, Bill,
I just got a text from FMB.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
What if you did?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Do you have it a hand? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I got one as well too, So flash my brass
is running their New Year's deal. Now they've got one
that's going till today. But if you're looking for nine
mil norma Ammo, this is full metal jacket. You can
get four hundred rounds with an AMMO can ready for
this ninety nine bucks? Okay, yeah, hell yeah, Well I
do say Federal full Metal Jacket thousand round case two
(23:46):
forty nine.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
They've got some tack twenty two.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
They've got some five to five six four hundred rounds
with an AMMO can two hundred bucks and our favorite
round if our favorite round the three eighty auto uh
all a point two hundred and fifty rounds plus amial
can seventy nine bucks. They guarantee the lowest prices you
can find them at four thirty eight West one hundred
and twenty one twenty three zero zero, one hundred and
(24:09):
twenty third for US local guys South and Draper and
then also on eighteen oh two sand Hill Road in
ORM And Yeah, stop by. They'll always work with you,
and go on their website check out their AMO deals there.
They do ship and if maybe you have a unique
special round that you just can't find, I give Old
(24:30):
Brent a call and see what they can come up
with for you. I'm sure they can find what you're
looking for. So anyway, flash my brass.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
All right, Bill, what if you were going to say
something about DNR or DWR or did you already do that?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, we did talk about a little bit earlier. We
got Turkey results are coming out for the spring Turkey Hunt.
The limited entry These are the eliminated entry tags. They'll
be posted this Wednesday on the eighth Big Game season.
Those will the draw application will actually hit on March twentieth.
(25:08):
So we got some time on that one, and as
that gets closer, we'll let you know so you don't
forget to put in. So if there's anything you need
to do right now, make sure you've put in your
draw results from this last year's hunt. They only like
to give you thirty days on those. But if you don't,
if you haven't put in your draw results from your
(25:29):
previous hunts, and this includes just you know, your your
regular big game tags. If you didn't draw one, they
want you to put your draw results on that, that'll
permit that'll hinder you from getting a permit this next year.
So make sure you go put that information in.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
All right, Hey, Bill, there's no segue into this.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I just you know, I promised I would talk about
the changing demography. I think that's demographics maybe of firearm
ownership and why. You know, maybe a long time ago
you owned guns for hunting and that was a primary
reason and it was mostly males that were doing that.
(26:12):
Now we're seeing this huge uptick, and I think the
numbers along with the dates really say something with regards
to what's going on in the United States right now.
There's a surge in new gun buyers and a Gallop Pole. Now,
Gallup is a fairly respected kind of middle.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Of the road.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I don't think they play they pulling punches on you know,
right or left, but the Gallup Pole highlights a growing
shift in firearm ownership, purchase, possession, carrying that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And it's very simple.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
More women, more minorities are and I saw that more
women and more minorities are buying guns, and they're buying handguns.
Handguns aren't necessarily used for hunting. You can, there are
some and Bill, I happen to know of a recent
incident with you in a handgun and an elk. But anyway,
that's beside the point. We aren't going to even talk
about that anyway. So it's interesting on these dates though.
(27:11):
So in from two thousand and seven to twenty twelve,
there was about nineteen percent of Republican women, it was
Republican women who owned and purchased firearms. Okay, Now in
the last four years, think of what's what we've what
(27:32):
we've endured in the last four years, which which administration
was a Biden administration from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's actually five years.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But anyway, it's jumped from nineteen percent to thirty three
percent in one administration, Thanks Denny.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And we're going to go a little bit like this
here like that, Okay, all right, So and that's a
huge jump.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's an enormously huge jump, and it's not special to
just Republicans. Democrats are seeing a huge increase Democratic women
and minorities in the Democratic Party when they do that,
seeing a huge thing. What that tells me is this,
given the same time period as defunding the police, we
(28:18):
have prosecutors not prosecuting criminals and literally releasing them from jail.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think we find that.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That people are having that again, that epiphany of their
own vulnerability, so and realizing it's freedom, it's choice, it's
personal protection.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And let me ask you your ability self reliance.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So let me ask you a question on that. Okay,
so we've seen what the numbers have been, you know
their historical numbers here. Now what do you think the
next four years are going to look like?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, that's interesting, it's an interesting question. You think, hey,
we're going to buy even more guns. But I don't
know that we're going to have that feeling of vulnerability
if if we continue to see some of these cities,
especially these blue cities, that are defunding the police, not
prosecuting criminals and releasing criminals that they did catch from jail, yeah,
I think we'll continue to see that. But I think
(29:14):
this increase in firearm ownership by a demographic which was
not typically big on guns aspec as handguns is huge.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
One last thing before we go to break here.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The Mayor Adams of New York when they were doing
their December thirty first preview and big spotlight. One of
the key things I took away from his little speech
there is he's talking about, you know, being alert, be
vigilant and all that. He says, you know, and we've
heard this before, if you see something, say something.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, say something, say something.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
He went one step further, he said, see something, do something?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Change?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What are you going to do a change thing that
you see? Thing?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, what are you gonna do about the something that
you see if you don't have something to do it with?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Exactly exactly So when you more, Yeah, one more segment
we got for You'll make sure you stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Will be right back. But we didn't Yeah, we didn't
do We didn't do any shooting.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
When I was out there in the old homeland there
and I brought all my stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It wasn't my fault.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You could you had a window, you had a window
that faced the canal.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Bill. That's true.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You could have just set up your little raccoon calling
speaker thing right there and blasted away.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But you didn't do it. So next that I know of,
I didn't see empty showcases by the window sill. All right,
welcome back to gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I am your host, Clark Opotion co hosting across the
way over there in the snowy in the in the snow,
we don't have snow at Ghost I manner right now.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But I gotta come up with a name. I mean,
I just got the history lesson of Ghost die. Uh
when I came out there. I need to I guess.
Then you come up with a name for my place. Now,
I'll come up with something pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So yeah, well it won't be as good as Ghost I.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But anyway, all right, So I wanted to talk about
Poland a little bit. Poland's proximity to the Ukraine and
Russia is causing some again Polish people. I love the
word epiphany of a vulnerability, and they are training their
(31:27):
young men and women, and I'm talking about kids eleven
years old. Fourteen fifteen sixteen, I watched a Polish kind
of a kind of an NPR of Poland, and right
in the schools, they have maths, they call it maths.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They have plural math maths.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They have science, they have history, and then they go
into the gym and they've got full on assault weapons.
And anyway, they had some fns, and they had some acays,
and they had some it looked like mostly I think
is what they were. They are training these kids how
to shoot, how to load, how to fire, how to
how to break these things down, how to acquire different
(32:08):
shooting positions, all sorts of stuff, boys and girls.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And guess what, it's not optional, it's mandatory.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
The Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Education got
together in Poland and said, because of the proximity and
what's going on in the Ukraine, they are training their
young men and women, the school aged kids to defend
the homeland, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
What do you think, Bill, you think, well, and this
mandatory as of three months ago, mandatory?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I think history is is is probably the history
lesson is probably teaching them more than anything, you know,
of the vulnerability that they could be with Russia. I mean,
we're watching things right now in Ukraine and and now
I mean we're starting to here threats of you know, China,
invasion of Taiwan. I think that Poland and the other
(32:58):
countries that will probably do similar thing like that.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Over there. I watched a gun store.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean they they this this article I watched also,
uh talked about you know, regular regular Polish folks going
into a gun store buying some automatic what what many
of the left would call assault weapons.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, look and remember, it wasn't that long ago October seventh, Israel.
And what did the residents of Israel get to do.
They got to go and expedite their gun permits really quick.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
But for what was today, it was a bit too late.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And you know what, they lived in proximity to people
that hated them to literally to death.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And they were unarmed.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Uh not a not a good It's a recipe for disaster,
quite honestly, because not only were they unarmed, the other
side knew they were unarmed.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Well, so we just announced all that big guns that
buy back what they call it a buyback, but the
big gun confaence in Canada, Well guess what, Canada, We're
not doing that, so watch.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Out well, and you know, I mean it's yeah, so
exactly disarmament. Disarmament by any other means leaves your vulnerable.
Talking about disarmament, let's see what we got. Yeah, we
got enough time. So there's a.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
New So those that have listened to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Before know of our disdain for erpos or what they
call red flag laws, which basically means they're going to
commit You haven't committed a crime, you're not even suspected
of committing a crime. You're suspected or thought that you
might at some point commit a crime, either agunst yourself
(34:40):
or someone else. And you have firearms. You have many
other dangerous things in your home too, but you have firearms.
And so without any due process, which means you don't
go to quart or anything, you lose those guns with
a red flag law. And twenty one out of the
fifty states have those right now some degree. Some have
yellow flags and red anyways, we do not, you tell
(35:01):
us not. We have resisted those attempts year after year,
and but and so they pretty much hit a stall
right now on the on the hand ringing bedwetterers. If
hit a stall on the states, twenty one states out there,
and thank you, Jenny. So now they're trying something different
and realize once you're on that list, you cannot own
(35:25):
a gun, possess a gun, or buy a gun.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Or ammunition.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I think either and and again remember you haven't committed
a crime. They just think because of you know, some
of your post posts on Facebook maybe that you have.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Now they're going to expand it to kids.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I said, well, kids can't buy guns anyway, what
do we what's this about? Well, it's a it's a
way around. So you're going to get a red flag
law on miners now and it's going to be given
to the parents, and the parents now lose their guns
because they're kid has a red flag law. And yeah,
in some of them it requires the guns to be
(36:06):
taken out of the house. In other UH bills, in
other states it requires law enforcement to seize those firearms
from the parents because the kids have a red flag law.
That's crazy, crazy, crazy, It's absolutely it's it's crazy talk.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Uh Bill.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I really liked what you said about the mayor of
New York City, which was which was amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What did he say, now, Well, he said, you know,
see something, do something? On some you know, do you
see something, do something?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So see, is this in reference to like the Daniel
Penny subway thing or.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I really think it has something to do with that,
because he he did bring that up as well, he says,
you know, even though an innocent man, uh you know,
was involved with it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
But yeah, so if you see something, do something, and.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
If you see something, do something and then relow and
do more of that something too, probably.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
As well exactly, And we'll see you next week, Thanks Clark,
and have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thanks Jenny.
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