Gun Radio Utah: P320; New York City Shooting

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
To shooting Sports Council shirt on.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I see that today, So that's very nice. So we've
got we've got one heck of a show for you
today and let's see and a shoot shout out to
our worldwide listeners. Let this be a you know, use
this as your template for good gun laws, because we're
going to be talking about that and whatever state you

(00:24):
are in, whatever country you're in. Hey, we were talking
with John Lott about Brazil and Costa Rica and all
these kind of places and they're they're looking to change
and better their gun laws. And yeah, we're going to
be talking about gun laws in the wake of a
stabbing in Michigan happened whatever a week ago, and a
shooting in New York City which happened about a week ago.

(00:47):
Is something like that, And well, here are some interesting
I'm not going to say wise words from the governor
Governor Hotel of New York, but we're going to be
talking about that. We're going to look at some statistics
that she threw out and our own review of the.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Stat uh bill.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We're going to talk about something also a little awkward,
a little we want to talk about six hour Well,
we're going to talk about that, specifically the P three
twenty and.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
There's probably a lot of listeners that are probably just
sick of it right now. I mean I want to say, well,
I'm kind of sick of it only because I love SIG.
SIG's a great company. I got some things going on,
and we definitely all want to get to the bottom
of this, to get this resolved and figured out. But yeah,
we're going to talk about some of the things.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're gonna We're.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Gonna talk about Bill, you and I are going to
have a discussion. Yeah, because we may be on the
same page, but we're a different paragraphs.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's the right way to say.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But anyway, we're gonna be h yeah, Yeah, we're definitely
going to be talking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I mean, everything is going to come into this, but
I want to direct you to something A great art
by our good friend a gun Radio Utah, A good
friend to to data, A friend to data, good strong
data analysis everywhere Doctor John Lott, uh, doctor Lot wrote
an article that was picked up. I don't know if

(02:15):
he wrote it for Real Clear Politics or was picked up,
but RealClearPolitics dot com, RealClearPolitics dot com it's a great website.
Lots of good uh information there, and he wrote an
article called another arm Civilian Saves the Day.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Another arm Civilian Saves the Day.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Now, if you know about doctor Lot, he's done so
much research into, uh, debunking a lot of myths a
lot of things that we think, oh, well, you know,
you know, more guns equal more problems, and the concealed
carryholders don't ever do anything, you know, to to to
protect community and all that kind of stuff. But he's

(02:56):
debunked all that, and he's done it with data, with
actual data that's available, even though getting the actual data
is sometimes really hard to do. So anyway, if you
have well, you know, I'm trying to see where to
go on this one, but let's just look at this one.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
A couple saturdays ago, there.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Was a guy running around stabbing people in Walmart in Michigan.
And I think most of it happened outside, but maybe inside,
and those people that tried to stop him were stabbed also,
and he continued stabbing people and people are calling the cops.
They're saying, there's a guy stabbing people, you know, and

(03:39):
these people are bleeding. Now, you know, eleven people got
injured and the last person it stopped at eleven.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Do you know whyatt stopped at eleven?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Bill?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Mwag?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Mwag? Man with a gun?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Ohmw Hadn't I need to put that into my lexicon?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah? And it was with a gun. Yeah, a guy
with a gun that was holding his gun. I don't know,
if you watched the video, it's it's hilarious. It's hilarious,
I don't it. Gangster.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
He had a gun.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
He had a gun, and he pointed it at the
stabber or the stabber and uh, and you know what,
at that moment, no one else got stabbed at that moment,
although there was a crowd of people around him and
some people, you know, trying to push shopping carts into
this guy and all this kind of stuff. But it

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wasn't until somebody with a gun showed up pointed the
gun the stabbing stopped instantly. And it was not it
wasn't for what several minutes that law enforcement showed up
and they were basically they already had the guy down
on that They basically applied handcuffs to him and put

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him in the back of the car.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
They didn't stop it. And we see that, we see it, and.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
We see time and time again. Mark, we see that
time and time again. We see that time and time again,
where an armed citizen will stop a crime or prevent
someone from getting hurt that has a gun and law
enforcement is not around.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's just in fact he talks about this, he's done research.
John Lott has done research on this in this article
from Real Clerk Politics, and he says, it was several
minutes before the first first responders were able to arrive.
And I like the term he used to bug me,
the first responders.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
So what happened?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Who are the people before the first responders? Well, I'm
going to call them the first engagers. We could call
the victims the first victims, and then after that that
guy with a gun, he was the first engager. And
then the people that have to get a phone call,
that have to get a radio call, they are the responders.

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And thank goodness, you know that they showed up. And
but what can happen in several minutes we already know
until the first engager engages.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
So John Lotte talks about in this article.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
He says, between January twenty twenty one and December twenty four,
concealed handgun permit holders now whether they be permit holders,
I'm not sure. I'd have to ask John or just
you know, we have twenty what nine states, thirty states
now that have permitless carry. Between twenty twenty one and
twenty twenty four, they stopped thirty seven attacks and more

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than a few.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Were stated by law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Could have, the police said, would have turned into mass
public shootings if not for their intervention, if not for
the permit holder's intervention. But that rarely gets national news attention.
In fact, if you look at the national news that
talked about that Michigan shooter, it really messed with every
with all the news, the hand ringing bedwetter news agencies

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out there, because it was a black man with the
gun stopping a white guy with a knife, and so
it just messed with their whole metric, you know, just
really mess with it.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And it wasn't the police that stopped it. So anyway, so.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
We see that criminals are most successful, okay, and I'm
going to say this guy was less successful than he
could have been.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Because he did this in a non gun for his zone.
The stabber was in Michigan, people are allowed to carry guns,
and he messed around and found out.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I can say that, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So anyway, And however, let's look at a different thing. Now,
there's a guy with a gun in New York. He
is intent on killing people and very likely intent on
killing himself afterwards, thank you, Bill, and very likely intent
on killing himself afterward. So what I want to do

(08:14):
is I want to kind of compare and contrast when
we come back off the break about the differences between
New York and Michigan. So and and let's see what
Governor hulk houlchem holkm.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Has to say.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I can't say her last anyways, the governor of New
York when we come back on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So stay right there.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, it's getting a little hot and uh so, yeah,
when you go out and shooting this weekend or or
take someone out shooting, just be careful, take the necessary
precautions with this dry climate that we've got going on here.
And also get more involved, get active, get off your butt,
Go check out Utah Machine Sports Council dot org. Go
get signed up for our alerts. Kind of a quiet

(09:00):
time this time of the year. But we're going to
talk about in the next segment or two, We're going
to talk about some of the activities that we continue
doing even in the non legislative off season. So, but Clark,
we're talking. Last segment. We're just rolling into New York
and this.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Can I play Can I play the Governor? Can I
play a clip from the governor? Bill? Sure?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Sure, I'm just gonna go ahead and say yes, because
you know, because I can't.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, this is the.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Governor on on on on the on CNN, and she's
being interviewed and here's what she has to say about
that shooting. And this just I want you to notice
she never talks about the criminal. What is she blame
it on? Okay, here we go.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
This is a terrifying event to unfold in our populated
city or actually anywhere. But again, let's talk about how
this happened. And this is happening because there are still
assault weapons in our country.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, and that was fine, Okay, So I'm gonna break
in there just real quick.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'm gonna stop here here and there.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, there's so called assault weapons in the country, if
you want to call them that. There's some automatic firearms whatever.
That's okay. There's about twenty million of them, or more
Bill twenty million. They are the most popular single firearm
in this nation's history. Okay, so does twenty Let's just

(10:31):
say twenty there might I think I've heard accounts of
even twenty five million. Anyway, And if they were the
actual problem, If the guns themselves and we had twenty
to twenty five million of them were the problem, don't
you think we have a bigger problem on our hands
than what we actually do.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So okay, let's let's hear what she continues to say.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Here all my question to you, governor, what do we
know about? This was an M four rifle, That's what
the police say. What do we know about how he
obtained this weapon?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Well, we're still determining that. You don't know whether there
was another individual involved. But again, this goes the differen
between states laws related to gun ownership. In the state
of New York, you cannot buy one of these. You
have to be over age eighteen. You cannot have access.
I mean he had a concealed carry from it which
allowed him to have this weapon.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Okay, you got to stop it, all right, you got
to stop. You got to stop it there, because my
brain's are to explode here. You can't have a gun
in New York.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
By one of those in New York.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And then she says, you're eighteen, which is it? Which
is it?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
They do have bands, They do have bands on so
called assault rifles, these semi automatic firearms, they have prohibitions.
And then she says, and you have to be eighteen
to buy them. So then then she said that it
was this person's concealed firearm permit out of Nevada that
allowed him to buy the gun.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Which also she doesn't know what she is talking.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
About, yet she keeps talking and that has nothing to
do with buying a gun. So okay, So now Bill,
and I know this is going to bug you this
this next part.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
I'm lose her laws in the state of Nevada than
we have here. And so our argument is this, like,
if every state had the same laws uniformly, you cannot
have a situation where we fight really hard in the
state of New York to make sure that we have
the toughest gun laws in the nation. We have the
lowest of all the large states homicide rate by guns.

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New York City, New York State, has the lowest homicide
rate by guns in the nation for large states, and
that's because of laws that are working and we want
that same sense of urgency to go out across the
nation states like Nevada, everything.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Okay, Bill thoughts on what she said, we should all
have uniform gun.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Law, the same laws. Well, let's flip it to the
other way. Why don't we have common sense, Carrie, gun
laws across the nation. Why don't we have reciprocity across
the nation. Why can't if we protect ourselves in one
state as well as in another state with a firearm,

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if we need to.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I mean this, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
She actually said this is happening because they are there
are assault weapons in our country. Well, there's assault weapon,
semi automatic firearms, you know what I like to call
sport utility rifles in every state, twenty to twenty five
million of them. But you don't see that same twenty
five million metric being used illegally. It's there are let's

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just be honest, there are evil people, There are people
in crisis. There are criminals, for one reason or another
are using firearms of also sorts, and and the semi
automatic firearms are the least of which, and you're not
gonna be able to eradicate them. You you just I mean,
you just can't and you cannot eradicate the guns even

(14:13):
though she cheat cheat.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, clerk, clerk, we got idea. Hold on, hold on,
hold on. This is New York. Yeah, this is the
one of the most strictive gun states in the nation.
This isn't a gun free zone. That gun should never
been there.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, there were, and so so the guy broke a
lot of laws.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
He's but you're not going to be able to eradicate
those people, the evil people, the people in crisis, the criminals.
You're not gonna be able to eradicate them. But instead,
what does she she proposed just to disarm.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
The law biding folks.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You can't these people are these these these criminals are
still going to be out there.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
But instead, let's disarm the law abiding folks.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
But I like what you said, Bill in the at
she wants to play the game of having uniform gun laws.
You know, in her case, it's no semi automatic firearms,
right like they do in UH in New York. Well,
let's let's play that one better and say, yeah, uniform
gun laws. You are otherwise lawful to purchase and possess

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a firearm, you can carry that gun, and that's the difference.
In New York, Okay, four people died in the first
one was a law enforcement officer. Why because he's in
a uniform. Why do you suppose he got shot first
because he was in a uniform. And John Lotte talks
about that, and in fact, he even writes, he says,

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where was it at that they take advantage of those
uniforms and they unfortunately target them first?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And what was it?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It says, I'm just looking in his article here where
the the people that intervened.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
The law, the the the.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Permit holders that intervened in these attacks and stopped these
thirty seven attacks, less of them were injured than uh
than the then law enforcement that intervened in other attacks,
you know, ideally because you know, the the permit holders
just looked like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So what was it?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
In fact, he says, even though civilians stop more of
these active shooting attacks, so they're engaging in these these criminals.
More nineteen police officers were killed in these attacks versus
two civilians.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Who with that had the concealed carry permits.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So so we find that, and and then there was
another one.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I'll find it after that.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, I'm not going to continue this after the break.
But she goes on and she says, you know, what
can the The reporter with CNN says, well, what can
we do? And she says she never says one word
about the criminal, never says one word about the shooter. Yeah,
and says, oh, no, we need to ban we need
to ban these these rifles. It's it's always the rifle

(17:12):
with them, and it's never putting the responsibility on the shooter.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So now she made some other statements that and she
had to kind of catch herself. She said that New
York has the lowest gun homicide rate for big states. Okay,
when you look at rates, she made a critical flaw.
When you talk about rate, rate doesn't care how big
your state is. Rate is in this case per one

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hundred thousand. So we got doing some you know, gun
Radio Utah did some research. Bill, you did some bill,
what's the what's the national average for for gun not
just homicide, but gun homicide.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Her firearm homicide homicide in your twenty twenty five point
nine per one hundred thousand people.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, so that will go across the board. Doesn't matter
how big or how small a state you are. What
New York City has what million people, which is which
is more than double what the entire state of Utah
has at our three point five million. Anyway, so it
doesn't matter population. That's why we talk about rates, and
so she can't do this. We have the lowest homicide

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rate for big states.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, it's you.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Either have the lowest or you don't guess what Utah
is at.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Now I've got to look at to get my numbers.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Utah one point eight per hundred thousand, and we have
no magazine bands, waiting periods, one gun a month, semi
automatic restrictions, we have permitless carry, we have concealed carry
for eighteen year olds, we have open carrier, we have
you name it, it's a gun free for all homicide rate, Now,

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this does not include suicide, which I would put in
a completely different category with a completely.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Different way to address it.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
But we're at one point eight per one hundred thousand,
and we are at two point two for overall homicide
rate less less about a third, roughly about a third
of what the national average is.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And we are in New York.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
New York State overall is three times higher than Utah.
On the firearm rate, firearm homicide rate. So she can
talk all she wants about her gun laws. They aren't working.
They aren't working as well as ours are. Bill, your
thoughts well, oh, Bill, before I forget Utah Shooting Sports Council,

(19:48):
I wanted to bring that up. Well, well, I find
stuff to talk about sportsman's or the gunsmatch sports.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, Well, I mean it's Utah. We're very blessed have
the legislation in place that truly cares about law buying
gun owners. And it's great. I can carry anywhere I want.
In fact, I'm gonna probably go carry up the mountains
here in just a little bit. But it is a

(20:15):
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Speaker 1 (21:22):
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Speaker 3 (21:23):
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Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, bundle them up, bundle them all up, put some
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a sportsman's warehouse. You knew where I was going with this,
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Speaker 1 (21:34):
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All right, So, Bill, I've got one more little clip

(22:21):
to play from this fascinating interview with the Governor of
New York where she blames everybody, but.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Uh, the person they're killed, the four people.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Still learning more about what those sipisms were. I've been
in that building and it takes an awful lot to
be able to get upstairs. But how you stop someone
who walks in intent on murdering the first person the encounter,
who's a police officer, and trying to stop them, that's
almost impossible. So for people who are blaming the security.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
System, Okay, no, it's not impossible to stop them. You
stop them with force, you protect yourself. But if you've
been disarmed, well then you're out of luck.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Hold on, are.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
Looking at the wrong culprit here. Look at the weapon
of mass destruction that was used to destroy lives in
my city.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Okay, So we shouldn't be looking at the individual. We
shouldn't be stopping them, we shouldn't be prohibiting them. No
or and we also should not protect ourselves. We just
have to blame the weapon. We just have to blame
the gun in which a governor you already banned them.
It's already one. It's a crime to kill people. It's
crime to carry that gun, a gun, crime to have

(23:33):
that gun in the state. It's a crime to have
to openly carry the gun with or without a concealed
Gary permit, of which there are only six thousand in
a city of seven million, by the way, less than
one percent obviously. So anyway, that is that bill. I
know you want to get into this, So we're going
to get into this. We're changing gears. Yeah yeah, So well.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Okay, so what do you got, sig sour. Everyone's seen
the videos, everyone's been here in the news.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, let's just suck there.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
There is a there is a lot of a do
going on about the sig P three twenty, which is
also called them eighteen.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
They won the contract what five or six years ago
in competing with Block and FN and and a bunch
of others for the new service weapon to replace the
that we've had since I think nineteen eighty two, the
Bretta M nine or what we would call the ninety
two M ninety two nine mil. And Uh, it's it's

(24:37):
it's a new it's it's a rather new concept. It's
a modular it has modularity to it, which means you
can take the internal guts out, the trigger and all
that type of stuff and place it into different platforms,
SIG platforms and and and others.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And So what's what's the controversy around of late for
the last I don't know, two years, three years, maybe what's.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Well, the scuttle butt is is the gun goes off
on its own without any user intervention. The firearm will
fire around.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So you have around in the chamber, the gun is
sitting in its holster minding its own business.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Boom, and it just goes and goes off, all right.
So there's amber cases. There's a number of cases. They've got,
they've got them on video, they've got the stories, and
I guess the biggest one is this airman out of
Wyoming that set his gun down holstered on a table
or counter and the gun went off, striking him in

(25:36):
the chest and killing him. And now it seems like, okay,
that's just kind of like the the fire. I mean,
that's that's what's bringing everything up to this point.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And now that one wasn't on video, but we have
plenty of others own video. And so I got to
tell you I have I have these guns. I have,
and I personally have never ever had an issue with
it other than I don't like.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
The reset on it.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
But and it's not it's not completely different from any
other striker fired system, but it is a little different.
I think you had said it has two seers or
something like that, but anyway, Bill might And so now
what we have with this latest and they have lawsuits,

(26:26):
They have what one hundred different lawsuits, and I found
it interesting that the vast, vast majority forty fifty percent
of these lawsuits are being brought by one plaintiff's council
representing different people.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
But one plaintiffs council.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Is going out there thinking they found the metric and
all they got to do is win one of these
things and they are set for life. But and I mean,
the law of averages, you're gonna win one out of
forty no matter what. But they're losing a lot too.
And I want to point out a few things. One,
even the FBI and plaintiff's council have not been able

(27:06):
to replicate this situation with these firearms. And you know,
they have tried, they have tried every way possible, and
they haven't been able to replicate this. Now, I have
seen on YouTube recently that somebody was maybe able to
replicate it by applying pressure to the slide, but I
want to see that. I want to see more about that.

(27:27):
And I'd also heard that during the initial recall for
them not being drop safe, that it might have been
due to an outside, out of country manufacture of some
of the parts. Now, because SIG makes parts and then
they run out of time and they went to this
out of country manufacture, I don't know if it was

(27:48):
from the Philippines or somewhere, and they found that those
were the parts that were generally looked at as being
the problem for the drop safe ones. Yeah, now I
don't This is all just what I have heard. And
then I've heard about, well, what about modifications to the gun?
Did the people modify their triggers? Did they modify the

(28:12):
Was the holester maybe at fault? Was the AMMO? What
about the primers? Were there any reloads in both? This
kind of thing, because Bill, I want to get to this.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
We live in a.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Time we're engineering of these type of things is so crazy.
I mean, there's got to be what fifty thousand different
things on a schematic and different different angles and tapers
and all that kind of stuff to make this gun.
How come they can't identify what the problem is.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
If I'm driving down the road and my truck starts
to lose it stirring all of a sudden, and then
you know, another truck does the same thing, and another
truck in another part of the country. The auto manufacturers
do a recall and they say, we need to replace
this Johnson valve over here, and boom they fix it.
How come if this is so prevalent, how come they
can't identify that in this day and time? How come

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they can't replicate it? How come they can't do that?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, it's interesting that they can't. And I think that's
what's got a lot of people up in arms to
figure it out, because they everyone's shutting them down. They're
not allowing them on the ranges, they're not display they're
not law enforcements holding back, they're retrieving them all and

(29:29):
so because we just don't know. So I got a
question for you when I talk about I got a
question for you when we come back on.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, We've
got we're going to talk more about this sick and
we'll figure it all out.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Group, the Second Amendment Foundation is a fantastic group. Uh
them along with the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep Them their Arms, fantastic group. And they are coming
to Utah for their fortieth annual Gun Rights Policy Conference
or otherwise called dr PC Gun Rights Palsy Conference is
coming to Utah one day at the end of September.

(30:05):
It's the twenty I want to say, the twenty sixth
to the twenty eighth. Yeah, twenty six to the twenty
eight it's free, folks, all the materials you get, free,
you get get there's some food and there's receptions afterwards
in the evening's fantastic speakers. If you want to be
involved in gun rights, if you want to be at

(30:26):
the tip of the spear, if you want to be.
If you want to know what the latest greatest is
and how to affect good gun laws, you need to
be at the Gun Rights Policy Comfort sign up at
SAF dot org slash g r PC saf dot org
g RPC. Oh, I just got a note here, Oh,
so plan on going to that. It's September twenty sixth

(30:48):
to twenty eight. Sign up. You'll get an official badge
and it's free day. Do a little shout out to
my buddy ben Uh. They're having a gender reveal party.
And his question to me was how much tannerite is
appropriate for a gender reveal party? And so I said,
is it? I would say twenty pounds minimum for a girl,

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thirty pounds.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Minimum for a boy.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
There you go, just throwing that out there, and he
wrote minimum question mark. Anyway, So they're doing a gender
reveal and I said, be careful because Utah has because
we don't treat tannerite the same as guns, and so
counties can restrict the use of tannerite. You can buy
it and have it and all that. It's a binary explosive. Essentially,

(31:35):
it's fertilizer mixed with luminium powder.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
As I think that's the catalyst.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But anyway, they're an Idaho doing this, so they're a
little shout out to them, and congratulations to the new
mom and dad of whatever it is, a boy or
a girl.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So Bill, we talked about that. Now I've had a
question for me.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, so my phone's lighting up and it's a great
question and it's a great comment. I got a comment
here says the P three twenty is being pulled from
all the service ranges or all the ranges and services
because everyone's afraid of the liability and too many lawyers
are involved. So this is my question for you, Clark,
because we're exiting, I want I want to ask you this.

(32:18):
You're a gun instructor, you're you do a lot of
range instruction. What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Okay, So that's a great question because put.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
On the squad recently, there was recently a sig A
ruling against SIG and the people. It was a civil case,
so they were looking for money and they ruled against
SIG in this case, but they didn't give the person
any money. And you know why, it's because he admitted

(32:47):
he knew about the problems, the supposed problems or the issue,
and he continued to use the gun. So they said,
you win against SIG, but you don't get any money.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Because you knew about it.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
So my question that I'm going to make a phone
call to my insurance company who handles my liability for
instruction for ranges and that type of thing. I'm going
to ask them, Hey, do I need now that I've
talked about it on the radio and I know that
there is an issue, and to what degree it's the issue,
I don't know. Am I going to have to restrict

(33:20):
the use of three twenties on the range? That's We've
never had a problem on the range. I have personally
never had a problem with the three twenties.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I'm not giving. I'm not selling my three twenty.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm not Oh no, no, yeah, I just wonder, you know,
if it's one of those things, Hey, if we don't
know enough information, maybe it's you know, time to put
put it on the backshelf for a little bit, till
we till we learn more.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And maybe and maybe so And to the degree that
you know about an issue, Okay, to the oh, I
just got told it was a blue cloud of tannerte
So that means it's a man child another man child
pound Ben's family. Anyway, So to the degree you know
about it, well, then I think that's going to play

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a part in how much liability you assume for it,
so that it could be And if I was a
PLANEFFS counsel, I'm going to say, yeah. So anyway, so
I'm going to talk to my insurance company. I'm going
to say, do I have to do anything special? Are
you advising anything special? But I remember when glock first
came out Bill and in the eighties and they started

(34:29):
doing this, and you know who was having so many
problems New York, New York, New York City, and there
they literally have a twelve pound trigger.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know if they still do.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
To accommodate, they built into the gun a deficiency if
you will, twelve pound trigger pull for a glock, which
a standard one, to give you an idea is about
five five and a half pounds.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
You can get them drop to three three and a
half pounds or so.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But because how come because the officers were shooting themselves
in the leg and they were used to revolvers with
you know, twelve pound triggers or whatever, And I mean,
for the same reason they come out, So it's not
just SIG that has had these. I mean, they even
coined the term the glock kaboom, and what was it.
It wasn't anything to do with the glock other than

(35:15):
I think there was an unsupported chamber in the forty
cows unsupported portion in the lower part of the chamber anyway,
But I mean, it comes to me in a lot
of these cases it came down to user error. It
may in fact be something wrong with the gun. I
don't know, and I wish, of all things, they could
come up and say, yep, here it is. This is

(35:36):
the actuator on the Johnson valve. We're going to replace that,
or this is the problem. But they keep saying it's
the design.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Well, the design.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Hands probably fifty thousand permutations to it.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
So, I mean, I remember when cops were getting shot
with their own gun. They'd getting a struggle with a
bad guy and they were getting shot with their gun
or with their partner's gun when the bad guy grabs it.
So what did they do Instead of teaching better weapon
retention policies, they said, no, we're just gonna create a
deficiency in the firearm that if you push the mag release.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
The gun won't fire.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
So while you're in a struggle, rather than trying to
hold off the gun, push the magazine release and call
it a mag disconnect. I hate those They relied on
that rather than training. So Bill, I don't know. I'm
I don't We don't have any it's just too big.
We don't have an answer today.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
It's something that they wish they would figure it out. Yeah,
and I think SIG will figure it out. Great company.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I've contacted them, I've asked them to come on the radio.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, And well it was just yesterday, so they didn't
immediately call me though.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
So you no.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yesterday at four o'clock. When on Friday at four, Yeah,
in the office.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Go out and do some shooting.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Congratulations to Ben, to Ben's family, Ben and Tammy and
they're getting a new grad.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah. And when you do go out shooting, shoot, say
be responsible, clean up after yourself and take someone with you.
Have a great weekend. You about to take care