Gun Radio Utah: Permit Fees; Weekly Wrap Up

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clark a potion and there are no apologies keeping with
that in mind. Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting Sports Council,
co host of Gun Radio Utah, no apologies sitting across
from me virtually, Bill, Bill, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I am doing well today.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
The sun is shining a little depressing because I want
to be outside shooting or rioting or doing something, but
at least the sun's out.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, yeah, you do need to take a break this
weekend because you've been up on the hill quite a bit.
I've been up there back and forth, and you really
did you really did?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
You really did your committees this week?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
So we had a busy schedule this week.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
It was we did, Yeah, we did, Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
In fact, we're going to be talking about what's going
on on Utah's Capitol Hill. And we've got until the
first week in March until while to be afraid, to
be very afraid, you know, well the session, well, the
legislature's in session. But anyways, we've got what are we
in the fifth week now? I think the fifth week
the session or starting the fifth week?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, anyway, starting the fifth and it just seems like
it's getting longer and longer right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's because you're up there every day. Forty five day
session begins on John M. Browning's birthday pretty much every year.
So we're going to be talking about the bills. I
don't know how much did I count that we're going
to be talking about. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I lost him fifteen fifteen or something.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Most of them were just going to be spit firing
by to tell you what the status is and that
they're doing okay. Others, however, get a pencil on a
piece of paper, because we need you to help us out.
You are you are the gun lobby, really, and we
need you to contact whether it be the House of
the Senate or the Senate Rules Committee or whatever it is.

(01:48):
We'll tell you how to find those numbers. And because
we've already figured it out for you, you don't have to.
We did all the thinking for you, we did all the.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
We've done all the summaries for you.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
All you have to do is just trust Clark and
Bill and the rest of the Utah Shity Sports Council
and say this is you know, call your legislator and
say Clark and Bill told us this to say anyway,
it seems to work, Bill, because the legislators mention it.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, and I think by the time this sessions over Clark,
they will be mentioned as or the USSC by name.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'm almost for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
They already did.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, you you saw that Farcus. Farcus mentioned me he
got mad. He got mad in his testimony. We got
mad afterwards too. So anyway, and that's and that's okay,
bless its heart. So that is we we just have
no apologies, Bill, We're going to be talking about that. Hey,
we have got to mention a cool little field trip

(02:51):
that we went on with the House Majority Whip as
well as former representatives and and just some fantastic people.
And Josephson was there. So yeah, some fantastic groups to
Silencer co. Silencer coo in Utah, based out of West Valley,
and they've got but they've got other locations.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
But wow, that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was, as I explained, a look behind the curtain,
so to speak.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
You know, Wizard of Oz kind of a thing. It was.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
However, when you say that it was kind of a
disillusionment with the Wizard of aw This was this.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Was better than I could have even imagined.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
We got to see how the Velos has made the Sparrow,
the Osprey, the the all of them.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
To see all the Titan.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I learned a lot about the Sparrow and the
whole beginnings of Silencer Co. I did not realize some
of the things. And to be honest, I would have thought,
you know, they've got some other suppressor twenty two caliber
suppressors there.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But I was really surprised the Sparrow is still in.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
That was their first one, right, yeah, bigger.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Better than ever and it does well for him.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I was amazed. I was amazed at some of the
other thing, the the what was the pistol what's the
pistol called?

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
The Maxim the Maxim nine Maximo cop how strong that
thing is.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
And there's a lot of stuff we can't say.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
There's a lot of stuff that we had to sign
NDAs on and well one big NDA anyway, so we
can't say some of that. But let me tell you,
Silencer Co makes some built to last suppressors. I mean
like the Velos, the Velos in five, five, six and
seventy six two extremely strong and the torture tests they

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put those things through. So anyway, we're gonna be talking, Well,
we may talk a.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Little bit more about about Silence or co and.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Some of the other you know, we live in Utah,
Utah has I don't know if we have the most,
but we I can guarantee you we have the biggest
market share of suppressure companies or silencers, if you would,
We got Silence or co, am Tag, Hawks Works, Dead Air.
What's the other place out in Saint George, Cedar City,

(05:14):
something something?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I can't remember it.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Anyway, we have a lot, So we're gonna be talking
about that. We'll talk about the new Is it a
Pam BONDI and Trump's replacement for I don't want want
to say DOJ No.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I can't now, you know, she's got so many of them.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Ever, what's that she's the Attorney General?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, the a G. So she is.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, we're going to be telling you what she and
other appointees have been tasked with now that they've been
confirmed by the Senate.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
And I think it's I think it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
All right, Bill, I'm gonna run down what do we
got we got to you know what, I'll run down
few of these because we always seem to run out
of time. So I'm going to run down a few
of these in the in the few minutes that we
have left in this segment, but uh uh so ill
to start HB one five fire Arm Retention amendments. This

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is the Representative McPherson's bilts going to the Senate Judiciary Committee,
which is a good committee and appropriate committee. What it
deals with is if you get a plea in abeyance
for a crime that did not involve that that a
plea in abeyance is basically pleading guilty with not with explanation,
but pleading guilty, but an agreement with the court and

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the prosecutor to say, you know what, you're going to
be guilty for the next six months, and then after that,
we're just gonna we're just gonna wipe it off your record.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It was interesting that was in Representative Elesson's committee, and
he chairs that committee, and that was the one I
had double duty on yesterday there hearing that one at
the same time as as one of these others that
we're going to talk about. But I ran over there
real quick just in case they shuffled things.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Around, and they do.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
They had actually had finished and actually went up to
Representative Elison, And yeah, he said that one actually flew
right through.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
He goes, well, it should because what I mean, it's
not just plain abeyance. But basically, if you're pleading guilty
to a plea in abeyance for a crime that would
not have restricted your firearm rights, Okay, then they can't
put in the court, cannot put in the prosecutor, cannot
put in the plea in abyance agreement that you can't
have guns.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, because it even if.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You had pleaded guilty to the original crime and full
on guilty, not just plain abeyance, then you wouldn't have
restricted it. So that's a good one. But apparently they
had been doing it. Now they hopefully it should get
through the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I think it's a no brainer.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But anyways, HB one ninety five a full alert on
that one. You don't need to, but if you get
a second you're talking to your senators. Hey, HB one
ninety five is on my list of good bills. All right,
HB two two seven, that's another, that's an interesting one bill.
And I'll talk about that one and tell it's well,
you know what, we'll talk about that when we come
back on Gun Radio Utah because we need to give

(08:21):
it a little teeny bit more time than that, so
we'll be right back. You stay tuned, don't touch that dial,
it's got stuff on it.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Post Valentine's I hopefully you got all your bouquet of
bullets to your spouse or your significant other.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Did you get a bouquet of bullets? Clark?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I did not, because I was I was at the
Hobo House.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I was at the in Salt Lake, and Casey Jane
was at Ghost Time Manor, so I did bring her.
I did bring her some Valentine goodies.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Though, well okay, and I know she's listening, so Clark
could use a bouquet of bullets, Casey.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But hey, so glad to have you with us.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Hey, if you want to get out and maybe you're
down in southern Utah this weekend, go check out Utah
Shooting Sports Council at the Crossroads of the West, gun
Show at Legacy Park and Hurricane Hurricane Utah. No Hurricane
Hurricane Utah. You can find that at fifty five hundred
seven hundred Street in Hurricane Utah, Legacy Park. Legacy Park,

(09:20):
good place and check out We've got Randall, one of
our board members there and check out volunteers and all
the good fun swag he's gotten. If you sign up
to become a member of the Utah Shooting Sports Council
member for twenty bucks, you'd get into the show for free.

(09:40):
So for free, free, I say, for free.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
The hell you say.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And they'll be down there till five o'clock today and
ninety three tomorrow, So take advantage of the weather and
go stop by.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Hey. Also, if you haven't had a chance.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yet, go visit Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org our website.
Make sure you click on the alerts tab at the
very top kind of right in the middle, and sign
up for our email alerts. We did talk about this
in the first segment, but I strongly believe we're going
to be sending out some email alerts where we can
use your input, your take your support, help us get

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some bills passed and moving, and also to let our
representatives know of the bad bills and do we have
bad bills.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Absolutely, we have to deal.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
With the bad ones as well as the good ones also,
so we've done the work for you. As Clark's mentioned,
just go to Utah Shoatsports Council dot org and sign
up on the email alerts and we'll keep you posted
on those things as they become available. Things change. I
noticed this, you know, my first year up there being
a lobby, and I really appreciate now you just that

(10:49):
much more, Clark, because you know, as you go up
there and you plan your day out, next thing, you know,
the rug can get pulled out from underneath you and
they get rescheduled or bumped around, and so things changed dynamically.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
But uh get called out into we get called out
into the lobby and and UH chat and people are
people are are mad at us. And that's fine, That's
what that was. What it means, we're doing our job.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was laughing. I was just like fight, fight, fight,
fight fight.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Is that what you were saying when I went out
into the literally into the lobby.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Okay, HBO seven. Let me tell you about that.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
That's Representative Maugas Bell Restricted Person's Amendment. It says that
if you are found mentally incompetent for a crime right now,
if you're found mentally incompetent for a for a felony
crime mentally either mental insanity, mentally incompetent to stand trial
or mentally incompetent of the time of the offense. For
a felony, well, you can't have whether you get tried

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or not. For the ultimate felony, you can't have a gun. Well, okay,
we get that. That's that's uh, that's that's the way
it works on under state law and federal law. What
they're saying now with this one is it would expand
it to any crime, including misdemeanor, which wouldn't prohibit you
the actual crime itself wouldn't prohibit you from oning a gun.
And even it was pointed out by Representative Matt Gwynn

(12:12):
in the Committee and the House Law Enforcement Committee that
it could even be an infraction. And I don't know
how many people have pleaded not guilty by reason of
insanity to a parking ticket or a speeding ticket.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
But so I am still checking.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
And we're checking with Nraila to see would it you know,
if you pled guilty by reason of insanity to some
other lesser crime, does that plea in and of itself
prohibit you from owning firearms? And so we're we're checking
on that one. But that's HB two two seven and
it was not considered. That doesn't necessarily mean it was not.

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It was on the agenda for House Law Enforcement Committee.
I think it was last on the agenda, and I
think they either just adjourned. And I can't remember because
I was in another committee, but I think they either
adjourned or just moved on and didn't consider it. But
it could always come back up this next Tuesday or Wednesday.
HB one thirty two is dead. It's dead. It's the

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firearm storage. Basically, it's a just let's let's get mad
at firearm owners whose guns are taken, and so we
already have let me tell you file this under We
already have negligence laws. Just because city and county prosecutors
don't prosecute gun owners that leave their gun out, there

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is existing law.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Okay, but you've got to prove negligence. And you know
we have it. What can I say?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
We have it, but it's not called a child access
prevention law, which is what Representative Andrew's Daddard really wants.
He wants a Utah cap law. Anyways, we won't give
it to them because we have existing laws and it's
not our fault. And basically we've said, you know what,
when you start prosecuting under the existing ability you have

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and then find a deficiency, then okay, But until that time,
no more gun laws though you've still not got a
prosecutor or existing laws for anything dangerous and it can
be That was the other problem that he didn't like.
I said, how about we amend the bill to say,
instead of firearms, any dangerous item that would include firearms,

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but it would include lots of other stuff too that
kids are hurt with. And no, no, he freaked out
on that one. But I did suggest a change. I
did suggest one change that it would have made it
a little bit better for us in not five or
nine point six. And so to his credit, he did

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make the change. But then he expected me to go
along with the bill, then to support the bill, and
he said to me, he says, well, I made that.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
This was after the committee killed it.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
And he says well, and he got really mad, and
he says, I I made the change that you suggested,
and you didn't support the bill, you know, blah blah,
And I said, I says Andrew, I said, Representative Stoddard.
I said, we try to make the bill as good
as we possibly can before we get it killed.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
So he didn't like that at all.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
That's why I went out there.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
And he did call you out in the hall, and yeah,
I was a little nervous. Really, maybe I should send
someone out, but you know we've got good law enforcement
there to protect.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
And to protect him.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, it was
it was all. It was all nice. It wasn't awkward.
And I just told him, I said, hey, there was
just a bad bill. There was many other things wrong
with it, but the amendment did make it ever so
slightly better.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Anyway. HB one thirty three, moving down the list.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's the big that's the biggie, that's the big mammajama.
Uharm Fire Amendment is basically a recodification. It's got lots
and lots of good stuff in it, and the vast
majority of it is a recodification of the fifty three
and seventy six firearms sections of Code. It is nine
thousand lines, two hundred and sixty three pages, and it

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includes things like well like some open carriability and some
other stuff. Blah blah blah. It's a great, great bill.
Encourage your state senator, and especially right at this moment
the state Senate Rules Committee to move it into an
appropriate House or Senate Judiciary committee. But whatever committee it

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lands in, contact your senators and tell them approve without
unfriendly amendments, because you don't want to say approve this
or pass it without any amendments, because there might be
some friendly amendments, but you want to make sure it's
and the sponsor will always say whether it's friendly or
unfriendly anyway.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
How can you find out about these bills?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Go to l E as in legislature l E dot
Utah dot gov.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Follow the links there.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
You can set up your own little account free of charge,
just with your email, and you can track and you
can add all these bill numbers to it in this
with one click and find out how they are doing,
where they are, what the vote was. You can listen
to the committee hearings on that bill and find out
what's going on with it. HB one forty three Firearm

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Safety is that one is Representative McPherson's bill. Firearm Safety
Incentives basically gives you a tax credit if you buy
a gun safe or gun locking device type of thing.
So it is going It passed out of committee. I
think it was Public Revenue or Taxation Committee on a
ten zero one, so a unanimous unanimous vote. HB two

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two one and Burglary Amendments. Basically, if a burglar, if
somebody breaks into your house and try to get into
your gun safe, whether they get in or not, there's
a deck an additional charge for trying to get into
a firearm locking device, and that is by Representative Colin
Jack That is going to the House Law Enforcement Committee.
That's a good one. I suspect it will pass out

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of there nicely. HB three oh nine a little troubling
bill still, so we spoke with Representative Casey Snyder. Casey
Snyder is you know, he's good. I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna say this. He's a he's a good two
way guy. But we have some a couple issues.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
The first one with HB three oh nine is the
bill would allow for a ban on target shooting in
entire areas, and we don't want that. We already have
that for fire for extreme fire danger, but that metric
extreme fire hazard or extreme fire danger is a naational standard.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
On this standard too, it's specific to a causer.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
And if oh, I just I just heard. I just heard.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I just got corrected by Representative Steve Listen. Steve Listen's
it's just fantastic representative. If you don't have him as
a representative, too bad for you.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Uh he said, it is a.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Sales tax holiday, not a tax credit. So thank you
for the correction. Thank you for the correction. I was
in another committee when that one was being heard.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
So there we go. So anyway, that's good.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's what we like. Clerk.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I kind of like that one.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Because now we've always wanted to do a sales tax
holiday for firearm purchases and ammun ammunition purchases. I think
that's something we should consider next session to run.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Why can't every day be a holiday bill?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Every day? Run? Anyways, before we before we go, I
gotta tell you, HB that three h nine, it has
been promised to us.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
This is not secret news.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's been promised that those sections starting online six thirty
eight will be taken out.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I just don't see the amendments yet. I don't see
the substitute.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Bill or the amendment on HB three h nine, But
I am uh, you know, in case, he's always been
good to his word. Representative Snyder has always been good
his word, and we're sure that that'll be taken out
when we come back on gun Radio, Utah, we have
lots more to talk about. I'm gonna talk about about
four four more bills, some good, some bad, some ugly.

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You're getting new did you say you're getting a new safe?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:27):
What you said?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, you get a new safe, got a new safe.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Gave hooked you up on that. Okay, that's good. Hey,
let me tell you. Let me tell you. You know,
if you've got some guns that aren't everything they should be,
get them over to the gunsmith at the Sportsman's Warehouse.
Then you'd be proud to place them in your new
gun safe. Your addition, it's it's an additional I'm gonna
go ahead and just say this, it's an additional gun safe.

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And uh so, anyway, did did Karen help you pick
out the color?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, she picked out she gave She gave me some
good suggestions and they weren't nice.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think when she realizes and sees it and understands
the whole purpose. I mean, okay, I got guns, all
of it. I mean, I'm probably the epitome of Stoddard's
bill leaving out guns.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Everywhere and whatever. Yeah, but hey, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
What I haven't are we talking about that is your roomba?
Has your roomba ever set off your I haven't talked
about the gunsmith yet, So just just just slow your
roll there, you know, easy tiger? Uh? Anyway, so let
me tell you about the Gunsmith the Sportsman's Warehouse. The
Gunsmith the Sportsman's Warehouse. They are located at sixteen thirty
South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Can give them a call at eight to one three
zero four eighty seventy.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Or you can take your gun whatever the heck is
not quite right with your gun, Sarah coating a new finish. Uh,
you want it completely redone, you want it and rechambered,
whatever it is. You can get it over to them now.
You can take it to any of the over one
hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to

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be won by you, or you can mail it into
them even then and get it over to them Sportsman's
Warehouse dot com. And you can also and you can
find the link with the Gunsmith of Sportsman's Warehouse Okay, now, Bill,
what were you going to say, did your room bus
set off one of your guns?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Not yet, but it was like what I was going with.
It was after you get your guns back. Maybe this
weekend you might want to run over to Flash my Brass.
During their President's Day sale on nine millimeters forty s
and W they got forty five ACP at a really
good price. Two hundred and fifty round with a cane

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hundred bucks ninety nine dollars. They got two two three
twenty two long rifle six point five creed more. This
is a good right price. This is on the horny toy.
This is really good stuff. Two hundred rounds for two
hundred and twenty five bucks. You can check out. They'll
match any price if you find something bigger and better,
which I've never been able to find. But check them

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out at four thirty eight West, one hundred and twenty
third South and Draper and then for our over the
Mountain folks, eighteen o two sand Hill Road in Orum,
and just tell me you heard us on gun Radio Utah.
They'll definitely take care of you with some fun stuff there.
So anyway, let's talk about I got one that I

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you talk about what you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's been bugging me.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
This was a very interesting bill, came a snuck up
onto us. But HB four five, Clark, give us, tell
us about this bill and what this is really doing
for folks.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Okay, this is the if you're an out of stater,
let's screw the out of staters this it's a permit
fee increase. It almost doubles the concealed carry permit fee.
But hey, it's only for out of staters. What do
we care about out of staters? What do we care
about devaluing the value of our permit? And for what

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reason to create a slush fund for the Bureau of
Coman Identification. Yeah, they came to us with their numbers
kind of a handwritten on pencil. Well it was actually
tight but not an audited figure anything like that, saying
hey we need money.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well how come Well.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Because of HB sixty five years ago concealed you know,
the permitless carry, and now hardly anybody's getting concealed carry permits.
Well you know who still is getting concealed carry permits
out of staters? So let's say, oh, we'll just screw
them over and double the permit fee because we're not
making enough. Well I say this, I say one, I

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want an audit. Two, maybe think about getting rid of
it like kind of the Utah version of DOGE Department
of Governmental Efficiency, and maybe get rid of some FTEs
over there that are twiddling their thumb with nothing to do.
And also this had a very intended consequence. So they're

(25:09):
also blaming suicide prevention money.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
So let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
So BC I was making a lot of money on
concealed cary permits and we didn't necessarily, I don't want
to say we didn't trust them to do appropriate stuff
with the overage because it's a dedicated account. The money
goes in, it doesn't go to the general fund that
stays there to run the program.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
And they would have overage.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know, like a million dollars a year or something
for a program that takes maybe two and a half
million to run. All right, So we said so Representative
Elsson actually came up with a good idea, let's let's
direct some of that money to suicide prevention because that
is unfortunately the biggest number of suicide are utilized by firearms.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Anyway, And it was a good effort.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
We brought us from numbers five or six of the nation.
I think we're number ten now. So we're getting better.
We're getting better, and so now they want to also
take that money too.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
They want to put you know, well, they want to.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Put a cap, say, unless the overage gets to two
million dollars, then the suicide prevention can have whatever pittance
is left. But they're not going to get to two
million dollars anyways. HP four twenty five. We're not fans
of this bill, and it passed barely. It barely passed
Public Utilities Committee on a five four to four vote.

(26:36):
What that What those numbers mean is five people voted
for it for against it, and four people were absent
in the committee.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, so what do you think.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Bill, Well, do you think it would have passed or
or would not have passed had the other four people
been there?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think it probably would have passed. Well, no, I
don't think it would have passed.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Oh okay, if.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
We would have had the other representative there. But here's
the here's my takeaway on it, since I was able
to sit there and testify on this one, is I
don't think they fully understand the ramifications of adding this
increased feed out of state permit holders, and I don't
think it's going to do what they wanted to do.

(27:19):
First of all, permit holders only have to renew every
five years, so this isn't an annual income that comes in,
it's a portion of it.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
It was interesting. I was looking on ussca's website and
they said we have about sixty percent of our permits
are out of stators. Then we had a meeting and
we heard seventy percent. Then in committee they are saying
eighty percent. Yeah, and I'm like, this is why we
need an audit because when if I were to break

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it down, if I were to break down what my
income is, I would know month by month how many
permits out of state have to be renewed, and I
would give maybe a sixty to ninety day window on
that that I might see funds come in on that
thirty days before they expire to maybe thirty days after

(28:17):
they expire. And because people are lazy and they forget okay,
I'm sometimes wanting I like to renew mine before it expires. Okay,
But if we got to figure out what type of
income is coming in, and BCI has not been able
to show us those numbers yet.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
All right, so I'm gonna add this before we have
to take off.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
This was brought to us third week of the session.
They have known. They had to have known.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean, anybody that can balance their checkbook has to
have known that. They would have been if they are
in fact in a shortage or deficiency. They would have
known about this for two three years. And we're hearing
about it now as in their checks. They're going to
start bouncing if they if they don't get this, and uh,
and I don't buy this. I mean, why aren't we
charging the out of staters more on gas tax than

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when they fill up?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
So anyways, an unfair comparison was made to out of state.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Hunting licenses.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
But because hunting, the hunters aren't there out there to
protect me. But thank goodness that we'll have some out
of staters in case, in case we ever get into
a into a bad area and out of stater or
maybe with a concealed carry permit.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Can can help out.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And what else, Oh, they're gonna anyway, We're done on
this HB four twenty five. We're not a fan of it.
Till your House representatives. It needs to be amended. Yeah,
we need to be amended. HB four twenty five goes
to the full House. When we come back on gun Radio, Utah,
lots more in the rapid fire section, stay tuned, talk
about HB three eighty seven. Let me tell you, folks,

(29:53):
you don't have to worry about HB three eighty seven though,
because it killed, it died. It got one vote vote
to carry on in committee.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Eight people voted against it.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Four people were absent and couldn't stand to see the
slaughter of it. But this had to do with well,
I think it was a misunderstood bill from the sponsor
to begin with.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Well with machine gun? No, what's that bill?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
The title is horrible, Well machine.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Gun firearm attachments or firearm attachments amendments. Anyway, what it
would have done is ban glock switches.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Okay, newsflash bill. Can you own a block switch right now?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Legally no you can't. And both under federal law and
state law you can't do that. I don't care if
you're under eighteen or over eighteen or whatever. How about
bump stocks? Is a bumpstock a machine gun bill? No,
it's not. And I know a little something about bump stocks,
and so the sponsor, Representative Andrew Stoddard, says that, well,

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bump stocks are machine guns and they're not protected under
the Second Amendment. Let me tell you something a little
about bump bump stocks and why that claim was made
or the statement was made.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
In the in the Garland v.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Cargill United States Supreme Court case, is because a bump
stock is a stock.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
It's a stock, it's not a gun.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Guns are protected by the Second Amendment. Stocks are not
necessarily protected. However, I do think that they are arms,
and so maybe they should be. But regardless of the
fact of whether it's protected by the Second Amendment or not,
it's sure as heck ain't a machine gun.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
And I mean the actual I mean to.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Be a machine gun is that if it will fire
continuously without manually reloading by a by a single function
of the trigger. That's the federal code for if it's
a machine gun. The bump stock still requires that trigger
to be pressed each time. Now, does a bump stock

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enhance the rate of fire or enhance the ability to
bump fire, because you can bump fire any semi auto.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
But does it help that yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'm gonna go ahead, and does it increase that rate
of fire or help you increase that rate of fire? Yeah,
it absolutely does. But guess what rate of fire is
not the metric by which is measured? Is it a
machine gun? Is it a foal oatto or not? It's
the single function of trigger. Regardless of that. Representative Andrews. Stoddard,
I don't know if he still thinks this, but I'm
going to play something from the committee. He actually thought

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that machine guns are banned in Utah.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
To representive all Bred, thank you, miss chair.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Is it legal for.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Anyone over eighteen in the state of Utah to have
a machine gun?

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Now? He said no. I questioned that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I mean, you're gonna have to define machine like fully
automatic weapon, right, I don't believe so, Okay, So anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I like that it goes on to machine guns.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, you have to define machine guns laughing.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know, the federal government has to find machine guns
since like the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Anyway, Uh, he got called out.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
On it by both by Representative Albrecht and by Peterson
and some others in the committee. And I actually came
by full admission and spoken committee and said, I think
it's fairly common knowledge that I owned machine Well, Mike Casey,
Jane and I own machine guns. So anyway, uh so, yeah,
so that one was that was It was really interesting

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because he said that current Utah law essentially circumvents federal
law by allowing us to have machine guns.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
We just don't have a prohibition on machine guns.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
And that's in complete compliance with federal law. And when
we're talking to machine guns, yes they have to have
been manufactured and registered before May of nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
So there's that, and yes, there they have to be registered.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And to give you an idea, what a fully automatic
M sixteen, which is nothing more than a one little
tiny drop in auto sered difference from an AR fifteen,
we'll run you about what are they going about thirty
thousand dollars now, something along those lines. For an eight
hundred dollars gun, it'll run you about thirty k maybe more.

(34:37):
I haven't looked, you know, because there's only so many
nineteen eighty six or before guns out there, and so
it's supplying to man.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Anyway, Bill, we were going to talk about that, but
do go to l Utah dot gov.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Look up those bill numbers that we've got, and you know,
if we said it was good, and tell your representatives
of your senators that that you like it and to
get it passed. So right now HB four twenty five,
and it barely skinned buy out of that committee. It's

(35:12):
always a little harder to get it to get it
killed in the House. But it needs to be amended.
It absolutely needs to be amended. There's a sex amender
registry thing in there that that can stay, but we
need to amend that out.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Well.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Then we were talking off air as we're preparing our
show today. I mean, this really does our out of
state permit holders a disservice because.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Now they don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I mean, you can come into Utah and open, you know,
concealed carry without a permit. Let's carry, yeah, permit, let's carry,
but you will not understand or learn the laws of
what you can and cannot do with your firearm. And
this was a great educational tool. And I think we're
going to see a lot of people drop off of
renewing their permits and also you know, seeking to get

(35:58):
new permits in.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
We're gonna lose a lot of instructors too. Out of
state instructors.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
So well, yeah, I think that I do think that
the permits are going to further drop off, especially for
the out of state because they out of state numbers
never really dropped off when we went to permit less carry,
and it's been a very valuable permit.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Why are we Why are we doing that?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And if it actually does cost more money if they're
if they're if their budget is, then lose some FTEs
if they're not processing as many permits. But quite honestly,
this this screams for an audit. This screams for an
audit so much because I remember many years ago the
same department, the same people said we need more money.

(36:42):
We did an audit, found out they were charging too
much money already.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
All right, so what have we got there, Denny? Okay,
so fantastic. Take somebody out shooting today.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Just wear some warm clothes and clean up after yourself.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Bill, how about you.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, we've got a day off for President's Day. There's
not a better reason to go out and go shooting.
Go shoot on President's Day. Appreciate our rights and everything
that we've got going. Until then, we'll see you next week.
Part have a great

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Week, you too,