Gun Radio Utah: Raelle Cunningham

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The host, Clark Potion and sitting across from me right there,
uh is Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council and
special guest Special guest Executive Director Extraordinaire for Women for
Gun Rights Not Wrongs, Rail Cunningham.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Rail, thanks for.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Being here, Thanks for having me, clerk and uh Bill
will Uh this.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Is two times this week with this week this week?
What do you mean Wednesday night?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We were Wednesday night, the infiltration, the the uh, the
the the what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm gonna call it sabotage, But we we went to an.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
We weren't intervening, so either, yeah, we're going to talk about, well,
we're going to talk about what we did Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
And Bill and I just got back from a whirlwind
tour down in southern Utah, beautiful Cedar City, Utah. And
we'll tell you a little bit but we're going to
save the main part of that for next week. But
we checked out Rock Island, Armory, or Ria, USA, Ria,
Rock Island, Armory, USA. I gotta tell you, I was

(01:14):
thoroughly impressed. And I wouldn't say that if I didn't
have stuff to back that up. So Anyways, we'll talk
about that maybe a little later, but we are going
to be talking about every Town for Gun Safety, and
they're offshoot moms demanding some action.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What is it, Bill, It's how do you say it?
Is it? Mom's demand action?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
We like to say demanding mommy's.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
But okay, yeah, so we're going to be talking about that,
and then an even smaller subset, students demand Action. So MDA, SDA,
every town and these are all groups that, I mean,
the main group started in twenty thirteen by Michael Bloomberg,
billionaire Michael Bloomberg who who just hates guns, accept those

(02:03):
carried by his security detail, of which he has many
twenty four hours a day, and he also chooses ex
law enforcement to do that so that they have their
card that can carry in all states and that kind
of stuff and get away anyway. So you know that

(02:25):
that's good for him, that's great for him. But what
if we can't afford that anyway? He gonna bypasses that,
all right, So we're gonna be talking about that. So
we went to I know, Cindy State Director, is that right? Yeah,
So Cindy notified us of a Mom's Demand Action meeting

(02:47):
that was held at the day Riverside Library in West
Valley was the Salt Lake City Library last Wednesday night
at six. So we said, wouldn't it be neat to go.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
To that meeting? Just not obviously we don't go there
to upset ten to twenty four Bill Iowa.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Anyway, Sorry, folks, wouldn't it be neat to go there
and just to kind of see, you know, one of
these meetings. Yea, with all the people that are in
there that that in what they say. I will say this.
I am gonna I have to admit that I was
expecting a lot of terrible comments about the Orange Man

(03:30):
and Trump derangement syndrome and this kind of stuff, and
I didn't see that. And I'm just being honest to
give them some credit. They didn't. They didn't do that. However,
every other word they spoke was so it lacked data,
it lacked facts, It lacked or when they did talk

(03:52):
about facts.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
So we're going to talk about specifics. Bill. Did you
record the entire meeting?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, there's one part that I did not capture, but
basically ninety five percent of the whole meeting was recorded.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, So we heard from first off, Angela. Anyway, she's
the executive director for I think every Town, but she
might be the executive director for Mom's Demand Action, the subgroup.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
But regardless, she.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Came out from Washington, DC and she, I say, she
spoke for what fifteen minutes?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, so we I noted that because I thought they
booked for two hours, and I was expecting to have
more of a presentation, more of a here's some data,
here's some facts, here's some things. This is what we
need to get behind, blah blah blah, this is our
course of action. She spoke in a fireside forum which

(04:50):
was basically a Q and A where we had two panelists.
We had the local Jared, the Utah chapter.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Jayden Jayden, Jayden Jayden, Yeah, thank you, and then we
also had another gal that represented the students Demand Action.
That's right, as she was a freshman, freshman Emily I
think was their name, Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That whole thing. They went back and forth, questions, I answered,
question answers fifteen minutes, yeah, literally fifteen and they took.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So I know, Angela, the executive director back out out
there from Washington. She so she she made a presentation
very quick and then she took questions from the audience,
and I'm going to tell you the questions weren't fantastic,
but the answers were even less.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I honestly wanted to hear and they were.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
There were questions like, well, what is Mom's demand's action
doing here in Utah?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
What are they going to be doing?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
What's her plans? What are the plans agenda?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So she went on to speak for about four or
five minutes of a litany of word salad that I
still I actually was less intelligent at the end of
those five minutes than I was at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, it was a lot of well, we don't worry
about the numbers, we don't worry about the data. What
we want to do is hear the story.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh yeah, and Reyelle, you had commented on the stories
versus like data or something like that.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Oh yeah, Like that's she just focused on we want
to hear the story.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
We want the emotion.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
You know, they're definitely gearing towards women, even though it's
a gentleman that is running the chapter, but they want they.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Want to actually story. Hold off on that.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yah, that's true because two of the people that spoke
that spoke quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Tell us about them.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
So the state director for Mom's Demand Action is like
a twenty year old boy, not a mom, never will
be a mom, right, And he's trying to come out
and represent moms in Utah. And then the other guy
that was there was from NOVA.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And he was their director there.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, the regional.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Director for a bunch of states. And I'm like, how
do you represent moms when you have no idea what
it's like to be a mom?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Because I can see like Women for Gun Rights brings
an emotional component to gun rights. But however, when you
get up to the legislature and you're talking, you're talking facts,
you're talking data, but you temper it with some emotion.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, you got to have a both have a balance.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, that can only come from being a mom. And
it it and I think it's an important voice. But
when you have a organization called Mom's Demand Action and
you have guys that are representing it, I think you're missing.
I think you're missing an important component there. Yeah, nonetheless.
So we heard from her. So Angela, like I said,

(07:51):
she flew out. She said, she flew out on a
plane and she does this all over the place, and
she spoke Bill, would you say for a total of
about fifteen minutes and three or four questions.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
In the in the fireside panel. Yeah, it did go
on when it opened up questions to the group, I'll
give her maybe thirty minutes total. Oh okay, but yeah,
I mean for what she had an opportunity to present
to the whole group. You know, I get it, Okay,
you got questions you want to ask the director question. Great,

(08:26):
everyone's gonna have questions. But there was no messaging. There
was no I walked away going like, well, then why
are you here? And I kind of threw some questions
out at the end of this segment, and I'm like going,
how And okay, I'm more confused because you didn't even

(08:48):
give us an agenda. What are you? What are you
want to achieve this year?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I love that you even asked her, like, what are
your goals? And then nothing like it's really to get
more people involved in Utah, but not to do anything,
not to go and they didn't want people to go
testify or anything. They just want people to sit in
red shirts and wear the Mom's Demand shirt.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
And that's that's how I felt about it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I mean it's true.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
And I found that the one thing they were extremely
extremely short on details and data that if I were
there supporting Moms Demand Action, that I would want I
would want all my data to go to the capitol,
go to my legislator and say, look at these numbers,
look at these facts, look at these things.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
But instead what did they say.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Well, it was funny because they were trying to say
that they wanted to push safe storage, and then they
wanted to push off site safe storage. And I'm like,
don't come to my state if you didn't do the
research first. So I was trying really hard not to comment.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I was trying to just be where, you know what,
none of us wore our our team's logo, so to speak.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
But so I raised my hand and I was like, well,
like two years ago the state legislature actually passed a bill.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Saying that safe harbor and yeah, safe harbor law, and
so that we already have that, and they had no clue.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bill you asked a question that he didn't know that
he didn't realize something about. Remember when you said he
said they haven't started legislation yet.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I said, so, which bills are you working on
or which bills should we be aware of. Yeah, you know,
we could get behind you on and he says, well,
we don't even.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Know because the legislature doesn't start till January.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Till January, so there's no bills.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
All right, Oh, I just got the notice from uh
from Denny we got to take a break this stating,
So we've got to take a break.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
We'll be right back on Gun Radio Utah. Stay tuned.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
When we think about Utah, it's really important because there
aren't a lot of strong gun laws here.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Okay, so we just heard that was Angel welcome back, Yeah,
welcome back to gun Radio Utah. That was a clip
from the from the meeting on Wednesday of the Mom's
Demand Action Group. And I don't think they knew you
were recording it, but anyway, it's perfectly fine to record.
And by the way, way, they couldn't have asked us
to leave either because it was a public library and
they didn't pay for the room, they just rented it.

(11:07):
And I double checked and I read through all the
rules and regulations, the policies everything for Salt Lake City
Library and we were perfectly fine to be there. Now,
we did not cause a commotion. We didn't upset anything.
We did ask a few I think important questions without revealing,
you know, kind of who we were. But anyway, bill
it said, she said, we have the worst gun laws,

(11:30):
some of the worst gun laws in the nation, or
we don't have strong gun laws strong.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, so I guess that is all by perception of
how you look at Utah gun laws.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, you know, I think the proof of our side
on our version of what we consider good gun laws
or bad gun laws is the metric. Let's look at
our scorecard. Let's look at our report card and see
how well and we are. Like I said, third in
homicide in the nation, third life a wist in homicide

(12:02):
in the nation. And yeah, so and and but data doesn't.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Numbers don't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
But they do mean stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
They don't mean squat.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, so tell us how do they do it?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay? So Angela does not like data, and she's said that.
She goes, let's not have the numbers. We have a
clip of that, Yeah, she goes, let's not look at
the numbers. Let's tell the story. Yeah, storytelling emotional and
tell the stories. People relate more to stories than they
do data. And why is that though Clark, Why do.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
They tell you exactly why because you cannot go and
back up a story. You can't go find the truth
about exactly what happened or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Certainly not easily.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I mean you literally probably have to have a court
case and bring in witnesses and all this kind of stuff.
Did this really happen or did this? And you know
they're they're amassing this out and so this is one
of the ways they do it. It's like when they
make a statement that firearms are the leading cause of
death for children and teenagers and young adults and that

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kind of stuff. Okay, so in one respect, I guess
you could say, if you put all those into one
group that, yeah, there is a section of that that
is true. So what we're going to be doing, and
we're just talking with Rayel about this, is we're going
to come up with the actual number the data rather

(13:31):
than making a statement that is meant to misrepresent.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
We're going to have zero to two, we're going to
have three to five, we're going to have six to nine,
we're going to have ten to twelve, you know, stuffing
like that, and look at the actual data for how
tragically in many cases our kids are dying and orre injured,
and it isn't in tel In fact, on the vast

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majority of those divisions, firearms are nothing but an asterisk.
They are so far down the list that it's nothing
but an asterisk and it's included in other and that
type of thing. And this is right from the Utah
version of the CDC are Mortality statistic. And it isn't
ntil you get to like fifteen or sixteen, and you

(14:21):
go and and then they you have to go to
twenty four years old. Those are the kids kids.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
You could take that group from zero to nine. You
were breaking them out, but you could add them all
up together and put them under one one category and
number is not going to and.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's still going to be other.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah and so but but but my point is is
that if you have them an actual look, actually look
at the data, rather than just listen to them say
firearms are leading cause of death, you would instantly see
they know the truth, but they don't say it. Why
do they frame their argument firearms are leading cause of

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death for kids and teens and young adults and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Why do that?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Because it it makes more impact. It makes much more
impact and they get money. Rail well, I also think, oh, ray, oh,
you don't have to raise your hand, just start talking.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
I think people are lazy too, right. They want to
get their information from someone else. So they hear this
and they're like, oh, I think I can trust you,
and so they're just gonna believe whatever that person says.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, Well it reminds me of that. I don't
know if you guys ever experienced this, but in elementary school,
I remember our teacher doing it. I think it's fifth
or sixth grade, tells everyone's heads down on the table.
Teacher tells the student in the corner a message, and
then that person's to relay it to.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
The telephone game or something.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And by the time you get to the
very end and they come up and say, okay, what
was said, the whole story is okay.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So now, one of the statements that I made notes
I took three pages of notes in this meeting, is
that they were trying to find a way in and
I put way in in quotation marks to the LDS Church,
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and
how to get them involved in them on board with
their anti gun slogan, and they literally wanted to use

(16:12):
and said, we want to use the Michigan shooting at
the Church of Jesus Christ day Saints as a way in.
They would literally be slogging around in that blood to
make their anti gunpoint. Now that's not the only thing
they said about the Church.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Of Jesus Christ. Okay, before you play it, I'm gonna
play it.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Mute your microphone, Rayel, Mute your microphone, because this was
the comment that probably I don't know how you guys
stayed in your chairs.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I yeah, okay, but I'm gonna basically, I'm just gonna
say this, Okay, he said. And this is the guy,
the director out of Nevadavda.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
He's not a mom. He can never be a mom.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
All of Utah's suicide rates are caused by the l
d S Church, or all of Utah's high suicide rates
are caused by the l d S Church. So now
listen to this. It's a little hard. You want me
to turn off the mics. I'll turn off the mics.
It won't it won't make a difference. Now, okay, here
we go listen start into this.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
On the radio, but is what we're going to do.
We're also talking a lot of rates are caused, the
only restriction being that pot, so we can trying to
high especially.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
In the States.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
So you know, okay, I know that was hard to
hard to tell. It was hard to tell on microphone.
He's not on microphone to amplify it, but he's basically literally.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Said that all of Utah's high suicide rates are caused
by the LDS church. And so now this is a
guy that is employed by every town slash Mom's demand action.
I don't know how much he makes, but we were
talking about Bill. We were talking about Angela, their executive director.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And her word salad.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
And you know, maybe if her salary was tied to
how effectively she communicates, she'd be she'd be about five
six bucks an hour. I think I'm going to say
that way below minimum wage. But Bill, we know about Angela,
we know the kind of stuff she talked about. How

(18:43):
much how much do you think she makes a year? Bill,
you have it right in front of you. How much
do you think she makes a year? We guessed, We
guessed him. We said one hundred and fifty Rail you
said two hundred what does she actually make, Bill, three
hundred and eight? Second, Well, no, then you add the
other it's almost three hundred a year a year, and

(19:05):
she's been doing that since twenty twenty three, so she
by now she has made about a million dollars.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Well, she's making that much.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
You thought I would have thought she would have done
at least some research on Utah. You know, I felt
like she did not relate to especially me as a
mom in Utah at all, other than the fact.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
That she has four kids. That's like the only thing
I learned about her. She had four.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
She also said that Washington, DC doesn't have a crime problem.
She literally said, and I think she was saying that
in reference to Donald Trump. Wanted to Anne has dropped it.
She actually said that. One of the other things, Bill,
I don't know if you've got a clip for this
one though, where they talked about, oh, where are out
of time on this one? But when we come back,
I want to talk about what they blame high crime

(19:49):
rate on.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
And for.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
The huge deaths in some states when we come back
on gun ready a Utah, stay right there.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Wendy, afternoon. But we've been talking a lot about today
on our little episode at mom's demand action. It was
an episode. It was just an event that we were
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Speaker 1 (21:07):
As I've said before, the only time you can have
too much AMMO is if you're swimming or on fire.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Probably so anyway, don't take it swimming.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Hey, you know, along those same lines, if your gun
is not working with the AMMO that you put in it.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's it's probably your gun's fault. It's probably not the ammo.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
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of whatever is affecting your gun, or if you want
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(22:15):
where do you find a cat with no legs?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Where do I find a cat with no legs?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Right where you left it? Anyway, So there you go,
Bill that one. Again.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
This is no apologies, Radio Rayel. They made a statement.
I don't know if you recall they were talking about
the murder rate in Missouri.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Yeah, she was talking about how or I don't remember
who said it, but they were saying, you know, there's
an unusually high murder rate among the black community there.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
But they never mentioned who is committing those.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Crimes, right, And then I do.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And they were bemoaning the different gun laws in the
different states. And I remember him talking about Saint Louis,
Missouri and Kansas City, Missouri and saying, such a huge
gun gun violence. Right, boy, if I never hear the
word gun violence again, it was too much. So anyway,

(23:20):
and the one lady pipes up just after we had talked.
They had talked and bemoaned the fact that Utah has
such terrible gun laws. They said this huge gun gun
violence among the black community in Missouri was due to
how they're very bad gun laws.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, and they're way stricter.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Utah is much more permissive, much by an order of
probably eight to nine.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, you found some data right on their website. We're
ranked like.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
What oh yeah, yeah, no kidding, comparing state gun laws
from every town. We're ranked thirty six. You know that
the higher the number, the worse you are. We should
be fiftieth. You know what state is fiftieth? Idaho.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
On we've got way more permissive laws than Idaho does.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
We should get some points because we touch Idaho. We're
Idaho touchers, that is true.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And them. So I looked, and so bill to that point.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I looked at the metric that they use, and I
don't know they've got five, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty thirty four.
I don't know, maybe fifty different points on here and
on here. If you go to every town you come,
compare the states, and we're pretty much as far as
their metrics go. Oh, look at this one. Ghost guns

(24:43):
regulated in Utah. We do not regulate ghost guns.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh no, no, you know what I'm looking at. I'm
looking at Utah and California. Okay, where's my Utah? Here's
my Utah? Idea.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
California was number one in the best gun laws because
they relate ghost guns.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, which is important because Halloween's coming up.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
How do you how do you never mind?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
At least I had it here. I don't know where
the Idaho one was.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
How do you pull up I'm gonna ask, how do
you pull up data on ghost guns? If they don't exist,
and you can't see them. They don't exist. How do
you pull up that type of data?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Bill?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
See, you will never be an executive director for Mom's
Demand action.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
You asked, I could do it for half the price
and twice as good.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So, Rayel, you pointed out that they were talking about suicide,
and Bill actually said asked one of the questions, which
worried the heck out of me. Bill, when you were
gonna when you raise your hand to ask a question,
I'm like, oh no, Herrick.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Co was okay, and you said, well, what is that?
What do you mean? What are you gonna? What are
you doing about it? What are you going to do
about it?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
And they actually said, well, we need some kind of
laws for people to store their guns or something.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, and they are talking about it, and I just
it amazes me. I raised my hand and you know,
we already have off site storage with the safe Harbor law.
And they just know nothing about our states. So I'm like, hey,
so you want to prevent suicide. Great, if they didn't know,
we required as a concealed carry instructor to teach every
single person about suicide prevention.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well, and I went one step further, and I said,
we got all these organizations in Utah that are specifically
set up for suicide awareness. Where's Mom's Demand Action? Yeah,
and they didn't know any of them.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
They didn't know live on they didn't know. So so
here's an interesting thing. Also, when you talk about data
or messaging, I guess you could say in motion. He
was comparing the be Smart, the Mom's Demand Action thing,
Be Smart, and he was comparing that to the NRA's
time tested, proven Eddie Eagle type program.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Well, but according to them, Eddie Eagle just teaches you
to shoot at people.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well yeah, and that's literally what he said.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
He actually said, well, all this does is if you
see a gun, you should just pick it up and
shoot somebody. That was, you know, his words. Then he
also said that the NRA's method of storing guns is
and he said, to just put it under a mattress.
That's actually what he said. And I'm like, okay, this
kind of rhetoric. If if your people are taking notes

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and they go to the legislature and say we need
to stop teaching people to put guns on the mattresses,
They're going to look at you.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Can we take a couple of minutes and talk about
this be spartan program. Because I was not aware of
this until I heard that Wednesday night. Being Smart is
another entity of Mom's Demand Action.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Well, it's under the the every Town umbrella.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's under under that umbrella. But did you notice what
it was under. It's under the section of a nonprofit organization.
So schools can use their curriculum and teach their messaging
or whatever through be Smart rather than Mom's Demand Action.

(28:15):
Because they said those red shirts Mom Demand Action shirts
are intimidating to people, and it's very political and it
can be politically divided, especially in Utah. And so now
they wear these green be Smart shirts. So people, when
you go to your PTA meetings and you hear be Smart,

(28:37):
don't be I mean, this is a disguise of Mom
Demand Action.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
They even said that the National PTA has endorsed the
Smart program, so you may hear it, you.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Will hear it. So beware your kids are being taught
this as.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Anti gun as they are, Like who are their instructors?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
One other thing before we go on break is that
we found that so many of the things we've already
we've already done. I mean, we champion appropriate storage for
firearms already. Yeah, we've talked already about we already technically
have a cap law here, which means a child access prevention.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
There are.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You know, reckless endangerment laws that just aren't being used
that would do everything their.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Cap law does. And then the other one was where
is it.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh, they're working. They have this novel idea to work
with Senator Curtis to have a tax rebate on gun safes.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I think it was what ten twelve years ago we
did that bill. Yeah, yeah, and we actually did it.
We've done it a couple of Yeah, we've done it
a couple of times. We actually got money funded for it.
And they thought this was a novel idea to have
a tax rebate on that.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
And in fact, I think our latest one dear that
they brought up was the blood dress.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Oh yeah, I was like, what does that have to do?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, when we come back on gun Radio, Utah, we'll
talk about blood because it's getting to be Halloween, all right,
stay tuned. I bought two guns. Actually I got three
guns yesterday. I literally about three guns. I got the
VRF fourteen, which I'm calling Velociraptor firearm. That's gonna stick.
That's gonna stick with when Yeah, Veloci Raptor firearm. I
bought the Ria USA five point zero.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's a cool gun.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And all of these are Casey Jains, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
And then uh, then I got the nineteen eleven double
stack ten mil with AO with the MS site optic
and I just said it needs to be threaded so
Casey Jane can put a suppressor or a loudner or
a suppressor on it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
And uh, and then so I think.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'll be making happy because I'm going to take a
new shirtalk radio over to Casey Jane so that she
can communicate with me even when I don't want to
be communicated with.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Anywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Bill, thanks for the and I'm sure Casey Jane will
reach out and thank you for that.

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(31:24):
thing if you want to really learn about more about
Utah shooting sports, Council, what we do, what we don't do,
and we tell it on the radio show a week
later or whatever. Go check us out at Utah Shooting
Sports Council dot org and sign up as a member.
You can do a donation, sign up membership, or you

(31:45):
can just give us your email. We'll keep you in
the loop. Legislations not too far away. And this is
the time we put all of our stuff together. And
maybe you just don't want to hang around with us guys.
Maybe you're just a mom.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
There's no such thing as just a mom, right, Just
so you know, I agree. If you are a mom
like me and you want to be involved, you can
go to Women for Gun Rights dot org and sign
up that way, there's a joint now button. And we
are an organization of women just trying to safeguard the
Second Amendment and trying to keep our rights and be
our own first responders.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
And in a great group. They are, I mean no
doubt about it. They participate up at the hill.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
They're up there every every time, every meeting and and speaking.
You've saved my butt before when I've had, you know,
one meeting over here, another meeting and and uh and
and spoken very effectively. So we want to thank women
for gun rights. Uh for for doing that, because you
do add an important and in essential voice. It's more

(32:50):
than just old white guys that need to be talking.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So it helps.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
I think it helps to have a fresh face every
now and then.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
So, Uh, what we got here? I was gonna talk about. Yeah,
so we've talked about the storytelling.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I love the first aid one. We didn't talk about
the first day.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Do you want me to go to the first aid one? All? Right,
here we go. Hang on, I got to click that
that pot up here.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
There, that's the wrong one. That's the Okay, this is
the right one here. Okay, I don't hear it. Oh oh,
and now I got to back it up because I did.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
It was you know what we're thinking about doing something.
We're thinking about sending home turniquet kids with the kids
when they started school.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And where we're starting. We're starting there. We're way too late.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, So I'm going to click that out. So they
talked about dropper right there.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, you need to get a little context to what
she's talking about. She's not talking about mom's demand giving tourniquits.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
But they were in Texas and the Texas legislature was
talking about passing out tourniquits.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
They were so mad. This had nothing to do with guns.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I mean, it was just that, you know, they do
have fire extinguishers, they do have first aid kits in
the schools right now, and I would love it if
my kids teacher knew how to stop the bleed uh
and and add some time. But they were so this
is the hill they chose for that time to stop

(34:19):
the emotional story. Yeah, it's an emotional but yet they're
still going to do a blood drive.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, they're gonna talk.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
About a tourniquet. I think, uh it's a good thing.
They don't ask me to reply the tourniquet. So anyway,
all right, so we've got that.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Next week we are going to be talking a lot
about uh Ria USA. Uh and so you know it
to prepare for that, go to Ria USA. I think
it's Rea USA dot com or Rock Island Armory. They
are let me put let me put it this way,
to preface it for next week. They're completely different and

(35:00):
most all respects for the ordering and for the quality
of the guns. Between Rhea, which is under Armscore, the
Philippines part and the USA part. And when I say USA,
I mean Cedar City, Utah. Those were three of the

(35:20):
guns and it literally says, right, I was made in
Cedar City, Utah.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, that was a great experience and I know Lynn.
We made a great new friendships with Lynn down there,
and we'll talk about her role as the plant manager
and what she does there at that company. I was
just completely blown away and I'm looking forward to next
week's We got to talk to engineering, learn about new products,

(35:47):
how they basically have taken a simple product and literally
it's like it's coming from the custom shop.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well yeah, and I got to take a look at
the re Ria five point zero. It's not blowback, and
it's not recoil operated, it's not gas operated. It's a
it's almost recoil operated, but it's a completely different pistol
action pistol. And the angle is as close to ninety

(36:15):
degrees as you can get. It's a it's a smaller
angle than even a nineteen eleven, and it points and
it shoots fantastically, not brand new out of the box,
not one malfunction. Ray L Cunningham, Women for Gun Rights,
thank you for being here on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Thanks for having me right, I just totally forgot your
name for a second.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, there you go. Rich Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'd actually that means it's time to retire.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Have a great weekend everyone, Clark's always fun. Rayel, thanks
having great you see you next week.