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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am Clark a Potion coming to you live and
in studio from well, my studio for Gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
No apologies.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Today, it's a beautiful day here Bill, Bill Petterson, coaches
and director of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's it like over there?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, it was raining just a little while ago. Haven't
looked outside. We don't have many windows in our studio here,
so not like in yours.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You don't have any windows in your studio. I got
one opposed to what we.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Used to have.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, no, no, nothing like what we had before.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, so anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We've got yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, But I mean it's a very nice, nice to
day bunker. All right. So you know, uh today, you know, Bill,
you and.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I were talking and I got looking at all of
the things that are Kamala Harris related. She is, but
yet he's really not talking about guns. But when she
does talk about guns, she's denying what she said before
about guns, and I think she's real. I think she's
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reading the tea leaves, and so we're going to be
talking about that. In fact, you found you got some clips,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, I got a really nice little un clip will
run that's kind of kind of explains things back in
twenty nineteen and where we're at today.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yeah, yeah, when she was running, when she was
running for president against against Joe Biden, Joe Biden and
against many others Buddha jag and Elizabeth Warren and the
rest of them. So we're going to talk about that,
what why do Americans? I mean, I know what, I know,
you have guns and you use it for target shooting,
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use for hunting, use it for self defense.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What we're going to talk about a poll.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Actually a couple of poles that came out, why what
is the reason that Americans own firearms? And we know
what Kamala thinks, but I was actually surprised when I
found the percentage of people that own firearms for a
very specific reason. So there we go. Bill, You're not
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going to get to go to the gun rights policy
conference with me at the end of next month, are you?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm unfortunately, I will be using one of those excuses
that Kamala has why I should own a gun.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To go hunting.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're you're going to go hunting, okay, so you're muzzle
loading hunting?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And isn't that basically just getting another bite at the
apple to us non muzzleloaders people, isn't that just basically
just getting another shot at ah another Yes, and you
get to do it before us. And so you to
go with your smoky muzzle loaders and smoke up the
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place and louden up the place and everything, and then
you let the rifle people come and then and you're
gonna be there for that too. Absolutely, So all the
elk you missed first time, they're going to see you
and say you missed us last time.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, I see. This is gonna be the muzzle loader
deer hunt that I'll be doing later in September.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It elk.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah. And then we go into rifle, but we do
the same thing. We scare all the critters into into Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Mm hmmm. They feel safe out there.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Hey, we've got you know, for those for those people
that were there, for everybody, I mean, everybody listens.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's it's what we're number we're in the.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think we're still number five according to feed Spot,
but I got a look this week Radio Utah for
a gun related podcast. Thank you very much for listening,
whether you listening on podcast or live, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So last week.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Remember I was kind of alone and I had interviewed
Mike over at the gunsmith and I kind of messed up.
I guess I somehow. I don't know what I did,
but it didn't play very well. And so Bill, you've
adjusted it, right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, we've adjusted. We got we're gonna interview the next segment. Yeah,
And I don't beat yourself up, Clark, That's it's okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
No, I don't. I don't Okay, No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I don't beat my I mean, hey, it'll all work
out and it'll be just fine. It's just I'm not
I've never helped myself up as the major button pusher.
So hey, I had a good time with last week
with a with a good friend of mine came out.
You know him too, Brian came out from California and
we did a bunch of shooting out at the range
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and my little range. You know, it's it's we have
it all to ourselves, I mean all to ourselves. We
shot about I don't know about a thousand rounds of
nine mil not. And this is interesting. It was between
a Glock nineteen and a glock seventeen and a Smith
and Wesson M and P and in all those rounds,
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not one single malfunction, not one weapon or m O malfunction.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I mean we may have had malfunctions.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Might take back then, because aren't they supposed to always
go off when you don't want them to?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, yeah, my check comes back. But it was it
was great.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And uh and we tried the forty yard you know
the forty yard shot?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Was it Illinois? Remember when that test active shooter in
the in the Murder of Wars? Was it forty yards away?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, so we tried that. Not as easy. I mean, yeah,
they hit a man sized body, not hard. We were
actually going for head shots at forty yards and you
can do it, but it's not one hundred percent of
the time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And you know what I what I told Brian, and
you know what I tell my.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Students is if you're going to shoot, you got to
hit and the you know, the only the only count
if you hit, and the ones that you don't hit,
that's a dead baby. And I know that sounds very harsh,
but couldn't it be. So if you're gonna hit, know
what you can do. If you're gonna shoot, know what
you can do. Because Uh. I had an instructor, Brian Hoffner,
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who used to tell me. In fact, he'd point to
every shot outside of the outside of the target area
and he'd yelled, it's a dead baby. And I know
that sounds very just harsh, but uh.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But it could be. Well, we have to account for
all the buybacks today.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit about buy backs.
And we didn't come up with that term, did we,
the gun folks, the gun industry, We never came up
with that term.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Who did the anti gunners?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Because it sounds like we sold you these guns and
now we would like to buy them back from you,
and so that means we're giving you money. The problem
with these buybacks that we're going to talk about that
Kamala Harris, by the way, has always said she wants
to do, is buybacks have always been a choice.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Remember the guns that we purchased from people in Salt
Lake a few years ago that were coming to the
buy back at the.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Police Ya downtown ches, Right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, at the very last minute, they could say no,
I'm just kidding, I don't want to sell this gun,
and they put it back in their car and they
drive away. They could always have that choice. Kamala wants
to say, if you have this gun, you need to
do a buy back. And it's not a choice at
that point anymore. It's called a mandatory buyback, which is
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a confiscation. And they're not just confiscating your gun, they're
confiscating your right.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So we're going to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I can't wait for the for the Kamala for
the clip where she's actually arguing with then Vice President
Joe Biden and she's a candidate for president. So Bill,
why don't we take a break right now, and when
we come back, we've got Mike with the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse. Mike, I'm gonna get a little closer to
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you because we're doing this. We're doing this right here
in your office, and we can hear the machinery. We
can hear the machinery in the background right now that
is feverishly working on customers guns.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How many, roughly how many guns do you think you
get in a day?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Anywhere from six to twelve probably a day.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And that probably runs the gamut from well from what
to what easy to well for.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Us, it's I mean, literally, in a given day, we'll
get a spencer carving from the Civil War era to
what HK started producing a month ago. It'll run that
gamut of time for dealing dealing with a very large
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amount of varying guns.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, I had I have no idea that you're getting
that much in and and and so, I mean you're
kind of what's what's the weight, what's let's say, what
the wait time is on say Sarah Coting.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sarah Coting, We're able to get done pretty quickly. Usually
two to three weeks. We'll have the gun done. And
if it's a very simple job, a one color, a
slide or a barrel or something like that, it can
be less than a week.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And that's any color they want, they can just go
to the Sarah Coot website and find any color they want.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And if we don't have that color,
we order it for them. We we get it very
quickly and uh and we'll get it knocked out. I
have personnel dedicated. That's all they do is Sarah cot.
So they're running eight hours a day, non stop, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
COTINGA Well, I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I just picked up my glock twenty one forty five,
and you, Sarah Co, you did a ton of stuff
to it, and the Sarah Cot looks like it came
from the factory maybe better. Actually, it is so perfect,
and I have looked and I looked over it and
looked over it and looked over it, and it is
it's absolutely prefer It's the exact color I wanted everything,
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So okay, so that's not a bad turnaround time. How
about let's say I were to bring in my new
ELK rifle because we've got October fifth is opening.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think, will I get it back by October fifth?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
If I want a whole bunch of stuff done to it?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I guess it depends what you need done. If you
need extensive machining done, we're pushing it, but we could.
You know, if you want to rush order, we can
do that. It costs a bit, but we can move
that up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
We're right on the edge.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Where extensive machine work fifty to fifty whether it gets
done on your data or not.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So let's so, yeah, don't plan on that, you know,
let's not plan on that because if you know, if
I'm if I'm really counting on that L rifle to
be you know, rechambered for something drilled and tapped and
and not that you know, most of them are already
drilled in tap, but you know, barrel threaded, re betting,
that kind of stuff, a whole new stock and maybe
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trigger work too.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So yeah, we're gonna talk. We're talking.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
There's there's what.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I've seen sometimes in the way our system works here,
you could see it.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
In a month and a half.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It could be upwards of three four months if it's
really complex stuff to do. We will have at any
given time we will have thirty to sixty guns requiring
threading or drilling and tapping or rechambering, rebarreling, all that
sort of thing, and it takes us time to get
through them. And it's unless you you know, have a
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rush order, per se. They're coming in, they're going out
the order they came in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Okay, So, what are some of the ways that people
Let's say they've got a gun in there in their
closet that they need some work done on, and they
make a little list of what they want done. What's
the best way to get that to you. Let's say
they don't live in Salt Lake.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Okay, they don't live in Salt Lake. There's one hundred
and forty six sportsmen's locations throughout the country and you
can take it to any one of them and they
will ship directly to us. They'll handle the packaging.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know you don't have.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
All you have to do is supply an unloaded firearm
to them and they will get it to us. Give
the instructions to the to the outfit or that takes
care of you at the counter as best as you can.
And if we have any questions, make sure you have
an email. We'll ask you and well, we're not going
to spend your money without talking to you, so if
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we find a problem, we'll let you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, would you like us to replace this and give
you some options.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's exactly what me as a gun owner and a shooter,
but not a gunsmith. I rely on somebody to take
a look at that thing and tell me, hey, you know,
you've got a trigger that's bad. You've got an extractor
that looks like it's on its last legs. And I
may not know that, and so I appreciate that the
gunsmith that's going to look over that, it's going to
look over the whole thing, and that's great.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, every week we find cracked parts something that truthfully
had if we had not completely ripped the firearm apart
down to its components, no one would have ever known
until it failed. So we do catch a lot of it,
and when we do, eight out of ten times it's
not an expensive replacement. So you know, extractors are cheap
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when you consider, especially if it's it's a defensive firearm,
that's important.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's kind of like the ripcord on your parachute. Maybe
it's probably important exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, there's a problem, you address.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It quickly, all right, fantastic. Hey, you had an exciting project.
I don't know if I want to call it a project,
but a program that you've got with some with one
of the most classic shotguns out there.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, and this is this program revolves around the Remington
eight seventy shotgun and they're thirteen million of them made
since nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
The hell you say? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Oh yeah, I carried one in the military, I carried
one as a cop. And we're still dealing with them
all the time. And we have found that so many
are sitting in closets and are just corroded over the years.
A lot of people don't realize that for a long
time Remington made the eight seventy. They made the ones
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that went to the sporting world, and then they made
the ones that went to the law enforcement military world.
Made they were completely segregated lines. The reason was the
quality that be honest, the quality.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Of parts was different.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
What we do is we take that old twelve gage
eight seventy that you have in your closet that you
don't use anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
You bought a Banelli, you don't need it anymore. It's
not what you hunt with.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
What we do is we do what we.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Call our upgrade program with it the basic packages. We
deep clean the entire shotgun, and that is down every part.
Every piece comes apart. It goes through pressureized solvent, hand
cleaning and ultrasonic cleaning. We inspect everything. We install a
solid steel extractor. The one that's in your shotgun now
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is most likely not a solid steel instract extractor. It's
powdered metal that is compressed. We also install a heavy
carrier dog spring. What that does is gives you reliability
lifting shells from the magazine into the chamber, especially if
you're shooting a lot of buckshots and slugs. It will
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that was Both of those parts were specific to the
police line and we put them on your gun. We
put a larger easier to engage disengage safety so you
can hit the.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Button faster under stress.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We take the finish, and the finish on a lot
of eight seventies, particularly with old Remington, was a very
thin I want to say paint, because they would rust
in the cyrophix mox occasionally. And what we do is
we'll strip the entire thing, just part of this package.
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Will either parkerize it like a military parker ized finish
the dark gray, or we'll do a one coat Sarah
Coote on the receiver of the barrel and the magazine
tube in a choice of about five different colors. And
what that'll give you is eighty times the weather resistance
that bluing gives you. It Also, if you're going to
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use it for you know, say duck hunting, then you
want it ten to match the colors in the marsh.
We have that color if you would like, and it's
optional for you. We will cut the barrel to eighteen
and a half twenty twenty two inch whatever you want.
No extra charges will cut it and recrown it for you,
even if it's a ribbed barrel, and in the case
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of the ribbed barrel, will cut it to one of
the rib posts so it looks looks proper, and we
drill and tap and install a new.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Front bead for you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's about if someone outside of its program came in,
you'd be looking at about four hundred and fifty four hundred
and seventy five dollars for that. Well, under this program,
we can do it for two ninety nine ninety nine
and it's back to you. It's out of our hands
in fourteen days. Can either ship to you or hand
back or hand it back to you in fourteen days
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if you're local.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, that price. I was not expecting that price.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You do realize that once this airs, everybody is going
to be going into their closet. Mike and I don't
know if you're going to be able to keep that
fourteen day deal. But wow, that is fantastic to bring
life back to a true and trusted shotgun. Wow, that's
a great price.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, there's it.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Just you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I just we just talked about lead times being long
forget stuff done. That The advantage to this program is
I have two guys here who are eight seventy armorers,
so they can do this work a line folded in
their sleep. So we're able to get this thing done
quickly for you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And the economy of scale I would imagine, and you
buy a whole bunch of the same parts and that
type of thing.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I have the parts already, it's just waiting to put
them on a gun. And we've got you know, and
if you let us know, we're going to put this
out so people can read it at some point here.
But if you want a side saddle, shell holder, if
you want a two shot magazine extension, all of those
things extras that you want on the gun, we can
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do that for you here. And the cost there's no
installation costs, form or anything.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You're only buying the part that you want on there.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So while you got it apart, might as well get
it done. That sounds like an awesome, awesome deal. Okay,
give us the oh you do. He's brought one out.
It's a parkrized It's uh is that walnut? I'm looking
at this?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
This was original Repington wood and it looked like the
paint they use at National Parks count buildings. It was
just this brown, horrible thing. I knocked that finish off
to make it look more like wood. But this is
a basic package where we actually added the two shot
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magazine tube, a side saddle, and other than that, all
the insides of it are just like you'll get on
the basic package.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And this started out as a used gun.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This started out as a used gun that no one
would be proud of.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
This is an absence. I have never seen an eight
seventy look exactly like this before. It is fantastic. You've
got high viz front and rear sights, different colors extended
to You've obviously got a very prominent extract around there.
You've got a side saddle, You've got beautiful stock work.
I gotta tell you, in fact, it's even. It's even
the checker checkered.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, this is This is actually a late model Remington,
a current model Remington that somebody had abused a bit
and we stripped down, We parkerized it, did the internals
to make it heavy duty, and the rib makes it classy.
It really does. We'll work with a rib or without
a rib, but this one turned out. I mean, I
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could have sold this one hundred times by now because
people keep off.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I was actually just I was I was actually looking
to see if there's a tag on it, because I
may walk out of here with it because it looks
really nice. But anyway, all right, tell us how to
besides going to Sportsman's Warehouse and the gunsmith, the address,
a phone number, any other ways to get in touch
with you guys.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, we are out by the airport where at sixteen
thirty South fifty seventy West Sweet two hundred here in
Salt Lake.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Our phone number.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Is eight zero one three zero four eight zero seven
zero and you can also email Mi Jones at sportsmans
dot com and we'll give you all the information you can.
We're excited about this program because we think we can
we can make a product for somebody that they're really
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going to enjoy, and the turnaround time on these we're
very fortunate to be able to do it quickly.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So I got to tell you it's a beautiful shotgun,
fantastic neat program. I'm really fun and I'm gonna be
looking in my closet so just saw, you know. Mike Jones,
Executive Button Pusher Lever Pullar Executive operations manager. I know
I get wrong every time, Mike, and I'm sorry for
the gunsmith as sportsman's warehouse. And when we come back,
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we've got lots more to talk about.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So you stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And welcome back to gun Radio Utah. Bill Peterson, director
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, glad to have you
with us on this Saturday afternoon. And if you would
like to get more information, Actually you heard that we
got the Rocky Mountain Gun Show going on down the
Southtown Expo. There mount America Expo, i should say, And
you can meet our great volunteers, meet one of our directors,
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Randall Doyle. They'll be there till five o'clock today, and yeah,
get signed up. They can tell you all about Utah
Shooting Sports Council. Maybe take home a little bit of
swag with you as well too. But always good to
go to a gun show. Buy some ammo, buy some guns,
maybe just get a loaf of bread. But hey, Clark,
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we're talking a couple of segments like oh they got
great bread, vulcars.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You can get you can actually get bread.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's as yeah, and that's part of the gun hole loops.
The gun show loophole. We do not do background checks
on your bread purchases.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So there you go. You got it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You heard it from the horse's mouth. That's how we
do the gun show loophole. You just buy a loaf
of bread.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
How's that? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
He's like, where are the hecks you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Going with this?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But anyway, you can always check us out your Tay
Shooting Sports Council dot org as well and sign up
for our email alerts and join as well.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
There.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But we're talking about in the first segments some of
the famous Kamalis Harris quotes and what she says and
what she backpedals on. I want you elaborate on that
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, okay, so Harris is is a victim of her
own word salad brain and you know, and President Biden,
bless his heart, he's not doing so good and that
and that happens to aging people and uh is, But
what does Harris have to con you know, to say
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as for her reason? So anyway, she has said mandatory buybacks.
Now she's denying, she said, well, she's denying that what
she said is what she meant. She also said in
a in fact in twenty nineteen when She was literally
among a host of candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination,
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of which Biden was one of them. He was vice
president of the time. In addition to let's see, I mean,
like I said, buddhajeg and and uh, what's her name?
Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and Kamala dropped out way
before any of them.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well anyway, they're in that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They're in that debate, and she says, she figures, well,
she's got to do some some anti gun stuff. She's
got to, you know, blah blah blah. She says, when
I get into office as president, then uh, we're going
to have we're going to ban AR fifteen's. And Biden says.
Biden says, right there on the debate, say well, you can't.
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You can't do that. That that's unconstitutional and you can't.
And she says, no, Joe, and she she leans across
away from the mic a little bit, and she says, no, Joe,
stop saying you can't. Say you can. Say yes you can.
And what she's actually saying is, yes you can be unconstitutional.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Can you play? Do you hear that?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Ris, you have said that you would take executive action
on guns within your first one hundred days, including banning
imports of AR fifteen assault weapons. That's President Obama after
Sandy Hook, more than twenty three executive actions, and yet
here we all are today. In recent days, former Vice
President Biden has said about executive orders, some really talented
people are seeking the nomination. They said, I'm going to
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issue an executive order, Biden saying there's no constitutional authority
to issue that executive order when they say I'm going
to eliminate assault weapons, saying you can't do it by
executive order anymore than Trump can do things when he
says he can do it by executive order. Does the
Vice president have a point there?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Some things you can, many things you can't.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Let's let the senator answer.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh, I mean, I would just say, hey, Joe, it's
said as saying that we can't.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Let's say yes we can. Let's be controcusional, yes we can.
That's Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I wish you had cut it off before she laughed,
because it just sends one of those just like this
right up my.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, it does. It's nails on a chalkboard. But it
was important to play that the cackle because what does
Biden say right at the end, So it's unconstitutional. You
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, it's uncomn And this is Biden saying that a
gun control scheme is unconstitutional, and Harris, not to be outdone,
is gonna out gun control Biden. Okay, So anyway, so
she has said, she has said that, and what have
we got. We just got a couple. You know what
I'm gonna tell her. I think she's reading the room wrong,
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because you know, she has said, she has denied that,
where's my thing, that the Second Amendment protects her right
to keep in bear arms unrelated to militia service, and
insisting that the Second Amendment has no bearing on state
or local gun control laws. I mean she said this
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while she was senator in California. She said it before that,
when she was Attorney General for California. And she's doing this,
you know, within within San Francisco, which she has a
lot of friends. I'll be there in a great audience
for believing her. But this was before the Heller decision
I think came out, and certainly before Cargill.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But even at that time, even at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The room was reading the rest of the United States
only twenty percent of the population agreed with her stance
on firearms.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's that's that's huge.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, she's twenty percent believed that it was an
individual right, of which the Supreme Court later affirmed, and
then in McDonald said, yeah, it's a it's a federal right.
You know, it's a it's an individual right rather and
it does absolutely have an effect on state and local
gun control laws. So, uh, we're gonna we're gonna do that.
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We've got a short We've got a short segment here.
We're going to come back, and we're going to talk about, uh,
my communication with my attorneys on the bump stock.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And why people own guns. So stay tuned. Bill.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Did you see the new study in the Journal of
Injury Prevention from last month?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
No, I missed that one. I know you did, because
I think I sent it to you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It shows that overwhelmingly, and wait till you hear the numbers,
overwhelmingly people own firearms for one main reason, and that
is self defense. Were not touched just talking handguns, but shotguns,
but rifles and even the dreaded black rifles. Yeah, of
all firearm owners, seventy eight point eight percent owned a
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firearm for protection. Now that doesn't mean they didn't own
other guns, but they owned a firearm for protection. And
now that may be you know, may say, well that's
just in the.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Home or something.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, fifty eight point one percent carried a firearm outside
their home in the last twelve months for protection. So
and it gets it gets even stronger. So now when
you start to break down, so that's of all firearm owners,
seventy eight point eight percent own it for protection.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
When you get into.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The analysis of from the article identified that black and
Asian women, ninety eight point eight percent almost exclusively owned
the firearm for protection. So so what they're you know
what these anti gun you know, the with the hand
(30:30):
ringing bedwetterers and the politicians that are targeting the very
types of firearms that people use for self defense and
literally say they don't care about the hunting guns, which
they do.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'm sure they are.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Really disproportionately affecting women and minority gun owners who have
said right out there and this is not a a
This is not an NRA by the way, or NSSF
or or John Lott study or anything like that. This
is the Journal of Injury Prevention, which is generally speaking,
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a little bit more on the left side.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, it's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Crime is going down, filing crime down is plunging.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, this is what they've said, this is what this
is what the administration is said. His crime is going down.
And I want go to crimeresearch dot org. Uh, Doctor
John Lott has a new study talking about the FBI
how it is underrating by a huge number, underrating the
number of self defense or shootings that have been stopped
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by a law abiding citizen. And he talks about that,
but he also talks about crime and is it going
down or is it ju just is the the number
of reported crimes going down?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So take a look at that. Go to crimeresearch dot org.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He has new and John always has all the footnotes,
all the backup, you know, for his studies and that
kind of stuff, and he's very open and transparent about
where he gets the information from. So, but if crime
is going down, like you said, and the administration is
touting crime is down, down, down, and it was up
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during Trump, well, Bill, what else has happened besides Biden's
supposed magical gun policies that have driven crime down?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
What else has actually happened? Well, there's a numbers kerry.
There's a number of things. I mean, you've got law
enforcement retiring at an exponential pace right now. You've got
people that aren't even importing crime because these nine one
one operators say, hey, we're not sending anyone out, sorry,
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doesn't qualify.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And so, you know, but at the same time they're
saying crime is going down. More guns are being purchased
by more people, and it's especially first time gun owners
that is read is sixty seven percent in some circles
or driving the new the firearm purchases by first time
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gun owners. And they're not buying shotguns unless they're self
defense shotguns, but they're buying ars, they're buying an guns.
So and all the while crime is going down. So
that flies in the face of they're wanting to pan
more guns, wanting to do more background checks, wanting to
do more waiting periods, this.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Kind of stuff. So, I mean, I don't know, they
can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Either crime is going down and we have more access
to firearms, or crime is going up or staying the same,
and their policies didn't work. So you know, I don't
know which way they want to go. With it, but hey,
do take a look at crime research dot org. He's
got some great stuff. Hey, Bill, are you going to
breakfast with me in about I don't know, a week
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and a half or so.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
The AGA, Absolutely, I can't. I'm not gonna miss Okay,
I'm going to miss that.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, I got I got an invite from Glenn Parshell.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
He uh so.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I I didn't necessarily stump Glenn on a question on
an on an f fl ATF type question, but he said,
you know, for a more definitive answer, why don't you
come to breakfast with us? And uh, they're in arm
or Provo wherever it is. And so it gave me
the date and the time and location. So we're gonna
go and we're gonna ask the ATF. I guess it's
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breakfast with the ATF. So, and I think the very
next day we've got our Legislative Second Amendment Caucus meeting,
of which we're going to talk. I'm sure we're going
to be talking about the requalification of gun laws, which
the bill is out, by the way, I just can't
share it, but the bill is out, and it is huge,
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it' and it's it's much much easier to understand. This
is what we should have had a long time ago.
And but every year, or the reason we needed this
is every year when we add more gun laws, we
you know, they just kind of fitted in where they
can fit it in, and if they have to make
an exception or reference to it in one section, put
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it in another.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It just so we're cleaning it up.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It really is ninety I don't know, ninety seven point
eight percent requalification without any change, but there is some
there's some definitely some good changes in there too.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And so we've.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Got that, Hey, is Hunter Biden going to get a
pardon from Joe?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You think he's done on.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
This because he's looking he's looking at twenty five years potentially. Well,
and that's just on the gun charges. Then he's got
tax tax, tax evasion charges too.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
He's kind of been swept underneathing.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Do you think he will?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I think he's been kind of swept under the rug.
I mean, no one's talking about him right now, so
which I kind of I kind of hope that that
stays that way. Maybe and we get the new Trump
presientcy in there and they hold him accountable. I don't know, well,
I don't think. I think Biden will try to do
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anything you can to save his hunters butt.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So yeah, Hey, communication for my attorneys the New Civil
Liberties Alliance on the bump stock case. Back in June,
right after Cargo was decided, they sent me a note
and they said, the next step in your case, Clark,
is for the parties to file a joint status report
in light of the Cargo decision. My attorneys emailed the
DOJ earlier that day to propose that the Tenth Circuit
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should just vacate the District Court's decision against me in
the Tenth Circuit and remand it to determine the relief
to which I am entitled. So they were waiting on
a response, and the response they got was the government
attorney just said last week that they're considering internally how
to resolve the case.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So we're going to find out. We're going to find
out next week how that worked out.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
They've lost it all right, Hey, thanks Bill, Thanks everybody
for listening.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Have a great weekend, everyone,
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am Clark a Potion coming to you live and
in studio from well, my studio for Gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
No apologies.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Today, it's a beautiful day here Bill, Bill Petterson, coaches
and director of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's it like over there?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, it was raining just a little while ago. Haven't
looked outside. We don't have many windows in our studio here,
so not like in yours.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You don't have any windows in your studio. I got
one opposed to what we.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Used to have.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, no, no, nothing like what we had before.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, so anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We've got yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, But I mean it's a very nice, nice to
day bunker. All right. So you know, uh today, you know, Bill,
you and.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I were talking and I got looking at all of
the things that are Kamala Harris related. She is, but
yet he's really not talking about guns. But when she
does talk about guns, she's denying what she said before
about guns, and I think she's real. I think she's
(01:13):
reading the tea leaves, and so we're going to be
talking about that. In fact, you found you got some clips,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, I got a really nice little un clip will
run that's kind of kind of explains things back in
twenty nineteen and where we're at today.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yeah, yeah, when she was running, when she was
running for president against against Joe Biden, Joe Biden and
against many others Buddha jag and Elizabeth Warren and the
rest of them. So we're going to talk about that,
what why do Americans? I mean, I know what, I know,
you have guns and you use it for target shooting,
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use for hunting, use it for self defense.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What we're going to talk about a poll.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Actually a couple of poles that came out, why what
is the reason that Americans own firearms? And we know
what Kamala thinks, but I was actually surprised when I
found the percentage of people that own firearms for a
very specific reason. So there we go. Bill, You're not
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going to get to go to the gun rights policy
conference with me at the end of next month, are you?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm unfortunately, I will be using one of those excuses
that Kamala has why I should own a gun.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To go hunting.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're you're going to go hunting, okay, so you're muzzle
loading hunting?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And isn't that basically just getting another bite at the
apple to us non muzzleloaders people, isn't that just basically
just getting another shot at ah another Yes, and you
get to do it before us. And so you to
go with your smoky muzzle loaders and smoke up the
(02:57):
place and louden up the place and everything, and then
you let the rifle people come and then and you're
gonna be there for that too. Absolutely, So all the
elk you missed first time, they're going to see you
and say you missed us last time.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, I see. This is gonna be the muzzle loader
deer hunt that I'll be doing later in September.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It elk.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah. And then we go into rifle, but we do
the same thing. We scare all the critters into into Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Mm hmmm. They feel safe out there.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Hey, we've got you know, for those for those people
that were there, for everybody, I mean, everybody listens.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's it's what we're number we're in the.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think we're still number five according to feed Spot,
but I got a look this week Radio Utah for
a gun related podcast. Thank you very much for listening,
whether you listening on podcast or live, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So last week.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Remember I was kind of alone and I had interviewed
Mike over at the gunsmith and I kind of messed up.
I guess I somehow. I don't know what I did,
but it didn't play very well. And so Bill, you've
adjusted it, right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, we've adjusted. We got we're gonna interview the next segment. Yeah,
And I don't beat yourself up, Clark, That's it's okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
No, I don't. I don't Okay, No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I don't beat my I mean, hey, it'll all work
out and it'll be just fine. It's just I'm not
I've never helped myself up as the major button pusher.
So hey, I had a good time with last week
with a with a good friend of mine came out.
You know him too, Brian came out from California and
we did a bunch of shooting out at the range
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and my little range. You know, it's it's we have
it all to ourselves, I mean all to ourselves. We
shot about I don't know about a thousand rounds of
nine mil not. And this is interesting. It was between
a Glock nineteen and a glock seventeen and a Smith
and Wesson M and P and in all those rounds,
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not one single malfunction, not one weapon or m O malfunction.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I mean we may have had malfunctions.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Might take back then, because aren't they supposed to always
go off when you don't want them to?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, yeah, my check comes back. But it was it
was great.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And uh and we tried the forty yard you know
the forty yard shot?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Was it Illinois? Remember when that test active shooter in
the in the Murder of Wars? Was it forty yards away?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, so we tried that. Not as easy. I mean, yeah,
they hit a man sized body, not hard. We were
actually going for head shots at forty yards and you
can do it, but it's not one hundred percent of
the time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And you know what I what I told Brian, and
you know what I tell my.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Students is if you're going to shoot, you got to
hit and the you know, the only the only count
if you hit, and the ones that you don't hit,
that's a dead baby. And I know that sounds very harsh,
but couldn't it be. So if you're gonna hit, know
what you can do. If you're gonna shoot, know what
you can do. Because Uh. I had an instructor, Brian Hoffner,
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who used to tell me. In fact, he'd point to
every shot outside of the outside of the target area
and he'd yelled, it's a dead baby. And I know
that sounds very just harsh, but uh.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But it could be. Well, we have to account for
all the buybacks today.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit about buy backs.
And we didn't come up with that term, did we,
the gun folks, the gun industry, We never came up
with that term.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Who did the anti gunners?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Because it sounds like we sold you these guns and
now we would like to buy them back from you,
and so that means we're giving you money. The problem
with these buybacks that we're going to talk about that
Kamala Harris, by the way, has always said she wants
to do, is buybacks have always been a choice.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Remember the guns that we purchased from people in Salt
Lake a few years ago that were coming to the
buy back at the.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Police Ya downtown ches, Right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, at the very last minute, they could say no,
I'm just kidding, I don't want to sell this gun,
and they put it back in their car and they
drive away. They could always have that choice. Kamala wants
to say, if you have this gun, you need to
do a buy back. And it's not a choice at
that point anymore. It's called a mandatory buyback, which is
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a confiscation. And they're not just confiscating your gun, they're
confiscating your right.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So we're going to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I can't wait for the for the Kamala for
the clip where she's actually arguing with then Vice President
Joe Biden and she's a candidate for president. So Bill,
why don't we take a break right now, and when
we come back, we've got Mike with the gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse. Mike, I'm gonna get a little closer to
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you because we're doing this. We're doing this right here
in your office, and we can hear the machinery. We
can hear the machinery in the background right now that
is feverishly working on customers guns.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How many, roughly how many guns do you think you
get in a day?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Anywhere from six to twelve probably a day.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And that probably runs the gamut from well from what
to what easy to well for.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Us, it's I mean, literally, in a given day, we'll
get a spencer carving from the Civil War era to
what HK started producing a month ago. It'll run that
gamut of time for dealing dealing with a very large
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amount of varying guns.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, I had I have no idea that you're getting
that much in and and and so, I mean you're
kind of what's what's the weight, what's let's say, what
the wait time is on say Sarah Coting.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sarah Coting, We're able to get done pretty quickly. Usually
two to three weeks. We'll have the gun done. And
if it's a very simple job, a one color, a
slide or a barrel or something like that, it can
be less than a week.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And that's any color they want, they can just go
to the Sarah Coot website and find any color they want.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And if we don't have that color,
we order it for them. We we get it very
quickly and uh and we'll get it knocked out. I
have personnel dedicated. That's all they do is Sarah cot.
So they're running eight hours a day, non stop, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
COTINGA Well, I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I just picked up my glock twenty one forty five,
and you, Sarah Co, you did a ton of stuff
to it, and the Sarah Cot looks like it came
from the factory maybe better. Actually, it is so perfect,
and I have looked and I looked over it and
looked over it and looked over it, and it is
it's absolutely prefer It's the exact color I wanted everything,
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So okay, so that's not a bad turnaround time. How
about let's say I were to bring in my new
ELK rifle because we've got October fifth is opening.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think, will I get it back by October fifth?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
If I want a whole bunch of stuff done to it?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I guess it depends what you need done. If you
need extensive machining done, we're pushing it, but we could.
You know, if you want to rush order, we can
do that. It costs a bit, but we can move
that up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
We're right on the edge.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Where extensive machine work fifty to fifty whether it gets
done on your data or not.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So let's so, yeah, don't plan on that, you know,
let's not plan on that because if you know, if
I'm if I'm really counting on that L rifle to
be you know, rechambered for something drilled and tapped and
and not that you know, most of them are already
drilled in tap, but you know, barrel threaded, re betting,
that kind of stuff, a whole new stock and maybe
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trigger work too.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So yeah, we're gonna talk. We're talking.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
There's there's what.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I've seen sometimes in the way our system works here,
you could see it.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
In a month and a half.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It could be upwards of three four months if it's
really complex stuff to do. We will have at any
given time we will have thirty to sixty guns requiring
threading or drilling and tapping or rechambering, rebarreling, all that
sort of thing, and it takes us time to get
through them. And it's unless you you know, have a
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rush order, per se. They're coming in, they're going out
the order they came in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Okay, So, what are some of the ways that people
Let's say they've got a gun in there in their
closet that they need some work done on, and they
make a little list of what they want done. What's
the best way to get that to you. Let's say
they don't live in Salt Lake.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Okay, they don't live in Salt Lake. There's one hundred
and forty six sportsmen's locations throughout the country and you
can take it to any one of them and they
will ship directly to us. They'll handle the packaging.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know you don't have.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
All you have to do is supply an unloaded firearm
to them and they will get it to us. Give
the instructions to the to the outfit or that takes
care of you at the counter as best as you can.
And if we have any questions, make sure you have
an email. We'll ask you and well, we're not going
to spend your money without talking to you, so if
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we find a problem, we'll let you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, would you like us to replace this and give
you some options.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's exactly what me as a gun owner and a shooter,
but not a gunsmith. I rely on somebody to take
a look at that thing and tell me, hey, you know,
you've got a trigger that's bad. You've got an extractor
that looks like it's on its last legs. And I
may not know that, and so I appreciate that the
gunsmith that's going to look over that, it's going to
look over the whole thing, and that's great.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, every week we find cracked parts something that truthfully
had if we had not completely ripped the firearm apart
down to its components, no one would have ever known
until it failed. So we do catch a lot of it,
and when we do, eight out of ten times it's
not an expensive replacement. So you know, extractors are cheap
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when you consider, especially if it's it's a defensive firearm,
that's important.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's kind of like the ripcord on your parachute. Maybe
it's probably important exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, there's a problem, you address.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It quickly, all right, fantastic. Hey, you had an exciting project.
I don't know if I want to call it a project,
but a program that you've got with some with one
of the most classic shotguns out there.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, and this is this program revolves around the Remington
eight seventy shotgun and they're thirteen million of them made
since nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
The hell you say? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Oh yeah, I carried one in the military, I carried
one as a cop. And we're still dealing with them
all the time. And we have found that so many
are sitting in closets and are just corroded over the years.
A lot of people don't realize that for a long
time Remington made the eight seventy. They made the ones
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that went to the sporting world, and then they made
the ones that went to the law enforcement military world.
Made they were completely segregated lines. The reason was the
quality that be honest, the quality.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Of parts was different.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
What we do is we take that old twelve gage
eight seventy that you have in your closet that you
don't use anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
You bought a Banelli, you don't need it anymore. It's
not what you hunt with.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
What we do is we do what we.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Call our upgrade program with it the basic packages. We
deep clean the entire shotgun, and that is down every part.
Every piece comes apart. It goes through pressureized solvent, hand
cleaning and ultrasonic cleaning. We inspect everything. We install a
solid steel extractor. The one that's in your shotgun now
(15:51):
is most likely not a solid steel instract extractor. It's
powdered metal that is compressed. We also install a heavy
carrier dog spring. What that does is gives you reliability
lifting shells from the magazine into the chamber, especially if
you're shooting a lot of buckshots and slugs. It will
(16:14):
that was Both of those parts were specific to the
police line and we put them on your gun. We
put a larger easier to engage disengage safety so you
can hit the.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Button faster under stress.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We take the finish, and the finish on a lot
of eight seventies, particularly with old Remington, was a very
thin I want to say paint, because they would rust
in the cyrophix mox occasionally. And what we do is
we'll strip the entire thing, just part of this package.
(16:50):
Will either parkerize it like a military parker ized finish
the dark gray, or we'll do a one coat Sarah
Coote on the receiver of the barrel and the magazine
tube in a choice of about five different colors. And
what that'll give you is eighty times the weather resistance
that bluing gives you. It Also, if you're going to
(17:11):
use it for you know, say duck hunting, then you
want it ten to match the colors in the marsh.
We have that color if you would like, and it's
optional for you. We will cut the barrel to eighteen
and a half twenty twenty two inch whatever you want.
No extra charges will cut it and recrown it for you,
even if it's a ribbed barrel, and in the case
(17:35):
of the ribbed barrel, will cut it to one of
the rib posts so it looks looks proper, and we
drill and tap and install a new.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Front bead for you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's about if someone outside of its program came in,
you'd be looking at about four hundred and fifty four hundred
and seventy five dollars for that. Well, under this program,
we can do it for two ninety nine ninety nine
and it's back to you. It's out of our hands
in fourteen days. Can either ship to you or hand
back or hand it back to you in fourteen days
(18:05):
if you're local.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, that price. I was not expecting that price.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You do realize that once this airs, everybody is going
to be going into their closet. Mike and I don't
know if you're going to be able to keep that
fourteen day deal. But wow, that is fantastic to bring
life back to a true and trusted shotgun. Wow, that's
a great price.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, there's it.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Just you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I just we just talked about lead times being long
forget stuff done. That The advantage to this program is
I have two guys here who are eight seventy armorers,
so they can do this work a line folded in
their sleep. So we're able to get this thing done
quickly for you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And the economy of scale I would imagine, and you
buy a whole bunch of the same parts and that
type of thing.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I have the parts already, it's just waiting to put
them on a gun. And we've got you know, and
if you let us know, we're going to put this
out so people can read it at some point here.
But if you want a side saddle, shell holder, if
you want a two shot magazine extension, all of those
things extras that you want on the gun, we can
(19:15):
do that for you here. And the cost there's no
installation costs, form or anything.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You're only buying the part that you want on there.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So while you got it apart, might as well get
it done. That sounds like an awesome, awesome deal. Okay,
give us the oh you do. He's brought one out.
It's a parkrized It's uh is that walnut? I'm looking
at this?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
This was original Repington wood and it looked like the
paint they use at National Parks count buildings. It was
just this brown, horrible thing. I knocked that finish off
to make it look more like wood. But this is
a basic package where we actually added the two shot
(19:55):
magazine tube, a side saddle, and other than that, all
the insides of it are just like you'll get on
the basic package.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And this started out as a used gun.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This started out as a used gun that no one
would be proud of.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
This is an absence. I have never seen an eight
seventy look exactly like this before. It is fantastic. You've
got high viz front and rear sights, different colors extended
to You've obviously got a very prominent extract around there.
You've got a side saddle, You've got beautiful stock work.
I gotta tell you, in fact, it's even. It's even
the checker checkered.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, this is This is actually a late model Remington,
a current model Remington that somebody had abused a bit
and we stripped down, We parkerized it, did the internals
to make it heavy duty, and the rib makes it classy.
It really does. We'll work with a rib or without
a rib, but this one turned out. I mean, I
(20:53):
could have sold this one hundred times by now because
people keep off.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I was actually just I was I was actually looking
to see if there's a tag on it, because I
may walk out of here with it because it looks
really nice. But anyway, all right, tell us how to
besides going to Sportsman's Warehouse and the gunsmith, the address,
a phone number, any other ways to get in touch
with you guys.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, we are out by the airport where at sixteen
thirty South fifty seventy West Sweet two hundred here in
Salt Lake.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Our phone number.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Is eight zero one three zero four eight zero seven
zero and you can also email Mi Jones at sportsmans
dot com and we'll give you all the information you can.
We're excited about this program because we think we can
we can make a product for somebody that they're really
(21:49):
going to enjoy, and the turnaround time on these we're
very fortunate to be able to do it quickly.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So I got to tell you it's a beautiful shotgun,
fantastic neat program. I'm really fun and I'm gonna be
looking in my closet so just saw, you know. Mike Jones,
Executive Button Pusher Lever Pullar Executive operations manager. I know
I get wrong every time, Mike, and I'm sorry for
the gunsmith as sportsman's warehouse. And when we come back,
(22:19):
we've got lots more to talk about.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So you stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And welcome back to gun Radio Utah. Bill Peterson, director
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, glad to have you
with us on this Saturday afternoon. And if you would
like to get more information, Actually you heard that we
got the Rocky Mountain Gun Show going on down the
Southtown Expo. There mount America Expo, i should say, And
you can meet our great volunteers, meet one of our directors,
(22:46):
Randall Doyle. They'll be there till five o'clock today, and yeah,
get signed up. They can tell you all about Utah
Shooting Sports Council. Maybe take home a little bit of
swag with you as well too. But always good to
go to a gun show. Buy some ammo, buy some guns,
maybe just get a loaf of bread. But hey, Clark,
(23:08):
we're talking a couple of segments like oh they got
great bread, vulcars.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You can get you can actually get bread.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's as yeah, and that's part of the gun hole loops.
The gun show loophole. We do not do background checks
on your bread purchases.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So there you go. You got it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You heard it from the horse's mouth. That's how we
do the gun show loophole. You just buy a loaf
of bread.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
How's that? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
He's like, where are the hecks you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Going with this?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But anyway, you can always check us out your Tay
Shooting Sports Council dot org as well and sign up
for our email alerts and join as well.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
There.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But we're talking about in the first segments some of
the famous Kamalis Harris quotes and what she says and
what she backpedals on. I want you elaborate on that
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, okay, so Harris is is a victim of her
own word salad brain and you know, and President Biden,
bless his heart, he's not doing so good and that
and that happens to aging people and uh is, But
what does Harris have to con you know, to say
(24:26):
as for her reason? So anyway, she has said mandatory buybacks.
Now she's denying, she said, well, she's denying that what
she said is what she meant. She also said in
a in fact in twenty nineteen when She was literally
among a host of candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination,
(24:50):
of which Biden was one of them. He was vice
president of the time. In addition to let's see, I mean,
like I said, buddhajeg and and uh, what's her name?
Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and Kamala dropped out way
before any of them.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well anyway, they're in that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They're in that debate, and she says, she figures, well,
she's got to do some some anti gun stuff. She's
got to, you know, blah blah blah. She says, when
I get into office as president, then uh, we're going
to have we're going to ban AR fifteen's. And Biden says.
Biden says, right there on the debate, say well, you can't.
(25:29):
You can't do that. That that's unconstitutional and you can't.
And she says, no, Joe, and she she leans across
away from the mic a little bit, and she says, no, Joe,
stop saying you can't. Say you can. Say yes you can.
And what she's actually saying is, yes you can be unconstitutional.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Can you play? Do you hear that?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Ris, you have said that you would take executive action
on guns within your first one hundred days, including banning
imports of AR fifteen assault weapons. That's President Obama after
Sandy Hook, more than twenty three executive actions, and yet
here we all are today. In recent days, former Vice
President Biden has said about executive orders, some really talented
people are seeking the nomination. They said, I'm going to
(26:14):
issue an executive order, Biden saying there's no constitutional authority
to issue that executive order when they say I'm going
to eliminate assault weapons, saying you can't do it by
executive order anymore than Trump can do things when he
says he can do it by executive order. Does the
Vice president have a point there?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Some things you can, many things you can't.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Let's let the senator answer.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh, I mean, I would just say, hey, Joe, it's
said as saying that we can't.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Let's say yes we can. Let's be controcusional, yes we can.
That's Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I wish you had cut it off before she laughed,
because it just sends one of those just like this
right up my.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, it does. It's nails on a chalkboard. But it
was important to play that the cackle because what does
Biden say right at the end, So it's unconstitutional. You
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, it's uncomn And this is Biden saying that a
gun control scheme is unconstitutional, and Harris, not to be outdone,
is gonna out gun control Biden. Okay, So anyway, so
she has said, she has said that, and what have
we got. We just got a couple. You know what
I'm gonna tell her. I think she's reading the room wrong,
(27:28):
because you know, she has said, she has denied that,
where's my thing, that the Second Amendment protects her right
to keep in bear arms unrelated to militia service, and
insisting that the Second Amendment has no bearing on state
or local gun control laws. I mean she said this
(27:49):
while she was senator in California. She said it before that,
when she was Attorney General for California. And she's doing this,
you know, within within San Francisco, which she has a
lot of friends. I'll be there in a great audience
for believing her. But this was before the Heller decision
I think came out, and certainly before Cargill.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But even at that time, even at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The room was reading the rest of the United States
only twenty percent of the population agreed with her stance
on firearms.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's that's that's huge.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, she's twenty percent believed that it was an
individual right, of which the Supreme Court later affirmed, and
then in McDonald said, yeah, it's a it's a federal right.
You know, it's a it's an individual right rather and
it does absolutely have an effect on state and local
gun control laws. So, uh, we're gonna we're gonna do that.
(28:50):
We've got a short We've got a short segment here.
We're going to come back, and we're going to talk about, uh,
my communication with my attorneys on the bump stock.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And why people own guns. So stay tuned. Bill.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Did you see the new study in the Journal of
Injury Prevention from last month?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
No, I missed that one. I know you did, because
I think I sent it to you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It shows that overwhelmingly, and wait till you hear the numbers,
overwhelmingly people own firearms for one main reason, and that
is self defense. Were not touched just talking handguns, but shotguns,
but rifles and even the dreaded black rifles. Yeah, of
all firearm owners, seventy eight point eight percent owned a
(29:35):
firearm for protection. Now that doesn't mean they didn't own
other guns, but they owned a firearm for protection. And
now that may be you know, may say, well that's
just in the.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Home or something.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, fifty eight point one percent carried a firearm outside
their home in the last twelve months for protection. So
and it gets it gets even stronger. So now when
you start to break down, so that's of all firearm owners,
seventy eight point eight percent own it for protection.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
When you get into.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The analysis of from the article identified that black and
Asian women, ninety eight point eight percent almost exclusively owned
the firearm for protection. So so what they're you know
what these anti gun you know, the with the hand
(30:30):
ringing bedwetterers and the politicians that are targeting the very
types of firearms that people use for self defense and
literally say they don't care about the hunting guns, which
they do.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'm sure they are.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Really disproportionately affecting women and minority gun owners who have
said right out there and this is not a a
This is not an NRA by the way, or NSSF
or or John Lott study or anything like that. This
is the Journal of Injury Prevention, which is generally speaking,
(31:07):
a little bit more on the left side.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, it's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Crime is going down, filing crime down is plunging.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, this is what they've said, this is what this
is what the administration is said. His crime is going down.
And I want go to crimeresearch dot org. Uh, Doctor
John Lott has a new study talking about the FBI
how it is underrating by a huge number, underrating the
number of self defense or shootings that have been stopped
(31:43):
by a law abiding citizen. And he talks about that,
but he also talks about crime and is it going
down or is it ju just is the the number
of reported crimes going down?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So take a look at that. Go to crimeresearch dot org.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He has new and John always has all the footnotes,
all the backup, you know, for his studies and that
kind of stuff, and he's very open and transparent about
where he gets the information from. So, but if crime
is going down, like you said, and the administration is
touting crime is down, down, down, and it was up
(32:19):
during Trump, well, Bill, what else has happened besides Biden's
supposed magical gun policies that have driven crime down?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
What else has actually happened? Well, there's a numbers kerry.
There's a number of things. I mean, you've got law
enforcement retiring at an exponential pace right now. You've got
people that aren't even importing crime because these nine one
one operators say, hey, we're not sending anyone out, sorry,
(32:49):
doesn't qualify.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And so, you know, but at the same time they're
saying crime is going down. More guns are being purchased
by more people, and it's especially first time gun owners
that is read is sixty seven percent in some circles
or driving the new the firearm purchases by first time
(33:12):
gun owners. And they're not buying shotguns unless they're self
defense shotguns, but they're buying ars, they're buying an guns.
So and all the while crime is going down. So
that flies in the face of they're wanting to pan
more guns, wanting to do more background checks, wanting to
do more waiting periods, this.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Kind of stuff. So, I mean, I don't know, they
can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Either crime is going down and we have more access
to firearms, or crime is going up or staying the same,
and their policies didn't work. So you know, I don't
know which way they want to go. With it, but hey,
do take a look at crime research dot org. He's
got some great stuff. Hey, Bill, are you going to
breakfast with me in about I don't know, a week
(33:57):
and a half or so.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
The AGA, Absolutely, I can't. I'm not gonna miss Okay,
I'm going to miss that.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, I got I got an invite from Glenn Parshell.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
He uh so.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I I didn't necessarily stump Glenn on a question on
an on an f fl ATF type question, but he said,
you know, for a more definitive answer, why don't you
come to breakfast with us? And uh, they're in arm
or Provo wherever it is. And so it gave me
the date and the time and location. So we're gonna
go and we're gonna ask the ATF. I guess it's
(34:28):
breakfast with the ATF. So, and I think the very
next day we've got our Legislative Second Amendment Caucus meeting,
of which we're going to talk. I'm sure we're going
to be talking about the requalification of gun laws, which
the bill is out, by the way, I just can't
share it, but the bill is out, and it is huge,
(34:52):
it' and it's it's much much easier to understand. This
is what we should have had a long time ago.
And but every year, or the reason we needed this
is every year when we add more gun laws, we
you know, they just kind of fitted in where they
can fit it in, and if they have to make
an exception or reference to it in one section, put
(35:14):
it in another.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It just so we're cleaning it up.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It really is ninety I don't know, ninety seven point
eight percent requalification without any change, but there is some
there's some definitely some good changes in there too.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And so we've.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Got that, Hey, is Hunter Biden going to get a
pardon from Joe?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You think he's done on.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
This because he's looking he's looking at twenty five years potentially. Well,
and that's just on the gun charges. Then he's got
tax tax, tax evasion charges too.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
He's kind of been swept underneathing.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Do you think he will?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I think he's been kind of swept under the rug.
I mean, no one's talking about him right now, so
which I kind of I kind of hope that that
stays that way. Maybe and we get the new Trump
presientcy in there and they hold him accountable. I don't know, well,
I don't think. I think Biden will try to do
(36:08):
anything you can to save his hunters butt.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So yeah, Hey, communication for my attorneys the New Civil
Liberties Alliance on the bump stock case. Back in June,
right after Cargo was decided, they sent me a note
and they said, the next step in your case, Clark,
is for the parties to file a joint status report
in light of the Cargo decision. My attorneys emailed the
DOJ earlier that day to propose that the Tenth Circuit
(36:33):
should just vacate the District Court's decision against me in
the Tenth Circuit and remand it to determine the relief
to which I am entitled. So they were waiting on
a response, and the response they got was the government
attorney just said last week that they're considering internally how
to resolve the case.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So we're going to find out. We're going to find
out next week how that worked out.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
They've lost it all right, Hey, thanks Bill, Thanks everybody
for listening.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Have a great weekend, everyone,
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