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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Up on the hill. We have not made any apologies,
have we.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
In fact, you you.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Probably statements that I have not apologized for him.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Bill, you probably have done some things that you should
have probably apologized for maybe. But anyway, thank goodness you're
with Gun Radio Utah. I am you, Rose Clark a Poshan,
chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, sitting across from
me virtually Bill Patterson in your he Man Woman Haters,
club Man cave, although I did see Karen in there
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just a second ago in Cleo.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Anyway, you are director of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
And I think we said before our newest lobbyist, So
you've been Yeah, you've been lobbying.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, lobbying away.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, every day you're lobbying.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
So anyway, we're going to tell you what's going on
up in the hill. This is going to be pretty
much solid Utah legislative type stuff and maybe throwing a
little teeny bit about fifth Circuit. But I have your
pencil ready to go, and if you somehow miss it,
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Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right now. I think we're what number five, I want
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Speaker 4 (01:20):
Gun related podcast in radio in the nation and number
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because of our legislative coverage bill that we get the
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and radio. All right, so have your pencil and a
piece of paper or pen I don't care whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And we're going to give you. So give me an idea.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We're following thirty bills up at Utah Legislature, which is
in We just finished our second week of the session
and it goes for forty five days every year. All right,
I'm going to give you a list of the bills,
and if you go to l e dot Utah dot
gov follow the links there, you can create your own
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little free account so that you can track the bills
and then you just hit bill tracking, find out where
they are, what they're doing, who voted for them, who
voted against them. You can listen to the bills, you
can read the bills, you can do everything, and it'll
be your own little private portal into the Utah legislature.
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And when it comes time to come up to the
hill or testify online, you can do that with just
a few clicks. So Utah has made it pretty easy.
So we're going to tell you about a few bills
that you should watch HB. In fact, I'm just gonna
I'm just going to get into it bill bill about
the bills that works.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That works, So uh HB.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
One oh four, And tell you about that Firearm Safety
and School's Amendments. We had a we had a hearing
on that one in the house and it's been held.
It's not bad that it was held. It was probably
it needed a few adjustments. And what we're going to
do with that one is it talks about mandating. Even
though I don't like mandates.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
A lot of school districts just do not want to.
They want to stick their head in the sand and
not recognize that over half the homes in Utah have
a firearm in them, and even the ones that don't
have them, your kids may visit another house. So we're
talking about teaching kids. And if you don't want your
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kids to learn about firearms, or you've already done it
and you don't want them to learn some other way,
you can opt out of it, and that's what the
bill allows for. But what we didn't specify in the
first and the original bill was the exact content that
the local education authority, the local school district or whatever
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need to have, and that was apparently putting a lot
of burden on the LA's the local education authorities. So
we're probably going to go with something like age appropriate
videos or an age appropriate script that any kindergarten school
teacher or a fifth grade teacher or whatever, whether they
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know about firearms or not, can just read from the
script and then boom, you're done. And we're talking, honestly, bill,
what we figure three to four minutes something like that
once a year, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we're thinking, and
you know, the only reason to do this is if
we care about protecting our kids. So anyway, that is
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HB one or four, it's held right now. As soon
as we get some better language and more direction for
the bill, then it'll come back.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Up into committee and it'll be fine, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
HB one twenty eight Dangerous Weapon at School amendments percent
of Gwynn. All this does is make it so that
if an eighteen or younger year old brings a gun
to school, well we have a way to charge them,
because technically before there wasn't a specific, a very affirmative
specific charge, and so we're just adding that to it.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Two, if you're following that one right now, you can
go ahead and wipe. Well, no, not that one. That
one is still it was still technically in place. So
that one is a nothing more than a cap law
a firearm storage requirement.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And but well actually it wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
It was a penalization if you didn't and someone took
your gun and misused it a minor. And so what
we did is we already have existing laws on negligence
and providing a gun or even knowing if a miner
under your care custody has a firearm. So the sponsor
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of the bill, Representative Stoddard, ran over to the chairman
of the committee just before his bill was about to go.
I think maybe he read the writing on the wall
and got it held, and got it held. So it
has a what do we want a reprieve from dying
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right now? But we still don't like the bill. He
offered some changes to it. We still don't like it.
We think existing law is sufficient and not deficient. So
HB one thirty two will probably come back, but we
don't know. HB one thirty three that's a fantastic I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's a big bill, folks. It's a big bill.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It is about nine thousand lines long, but it's not
nine thousand new sections of code. It's essentially a recodification.
We will be having the House Majority Whip Representative carry
on Lizzenbee from House District fifty seven, Clearfield Area on
second segment, and I imagine she'll talk about that bill
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and some of the miss representations that are going on
about this. It's basically a requalification bill with a few amendments,
a few changes in it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And got a lot of questions for do you a
lot yes, Oh yeah, this is this is keeping me.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Up as night firearm safety and centives. HB one three
Representative Matt McPherson, good guy. We've had represented McPherson on
Gun Radio Utah before. And essentially it offers a tax
rebate if you buy a safety storage thing like a
gun safe or something like that. So this is more
of the carrot, the very tasty carrot and not the
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stick involved in that one. Let's see, we've got one
that well, it's it's just in a standing committee right now.
We'll talk about that one later. One that is going
to come up I think on Monday, Yeah, coming up
on Monday at two pm in House law enforcement is
imitation firearm amendments. Basically, it penalizes a child a minor
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if they take the orange tip off a gun of
a toy gun. We're not talking paintball gun. We're not
talking even airsoft. We're talking about a toy toy gun
like Mattel or something, and penalizes them if they yank
that orange tip off. We don't think that's necessary. We
think we've got existing laws to handle that. And what
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have we got I've got about well a little bit
less than a minute here HB two to one. Not
necessarily in play, yet it's a good one. Burglary Amendments
by Representative Jack and essentially creates a crime if you
try to mess with, destroy, tamper with a firearm storage device,
if you're breaking into somebody's house. So in addition to
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breaking in, you've got that one too. Let's see, and
we've got oh when we I think probably third segment
bill will cover the bill that uh that died. And
I mean it, it went down. It went down in flames.
SB one thirty. And what was that? That was literally yesterday?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, it was yesterday. I had to think about it.
All the days are kind of allaying together. SB one thirty.
This was your everything that California, well not quite everything
that California has, but definitely all the really bad waiting periods,
semi automatic bands, magazine restrictions, you name it. It was
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a cornucopia, cornucopia bad ideas. Uh, long story short, it
didn't make it. So anyway, all right, what am I getting?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'm getting and I got, you know, I got real quick, Clark.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I gotta throw a shout out to our members and
our our USSC supporters that are on the alerts. We
sent out an alert yesterday morning, gave all the details,
here's how to contact the committee members, here's the language
they need to know. The first thing, I always pronounce
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it blow and said he apologized for all the emails
that the committee members received regarding this bill. They were
overwhelmed with all the support against this bill.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And sob all right, when we come back, we're going
to have a representative Carrie and lizzenbe on and soci
stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
We want to also let you know if you want
to get out there and check out Utah Shooting Sports Council,
go check us out at Utah Shooting Sports Council dot
org at the very top, get signed up for our alerts.
We can always use our members reaching out to their
representatives when bills come up, like we just spoke about
on Senate Bill one point thirty yesterday played a great
role and it was even brought up in committee about
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it as well. So for everyone that did do that,
thank you very much and for you that would like
to get to know more information and get become more
actively involved. So check us out your Touching Sports Council
dot org and get signed up on our alerts and
we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Hey, we've got a great guest with this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We've got a representative Listenbee from House District fourteen. Now,
how did I know that and Clark didn't? I don't know,
but that's okay. I thought of how Fitch fourteen and
Majority Whip leader and boy, we've had some fun this
past week with your bill up there.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Representative.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yes, that was fun, had its committee hearing, it's on
the board on the floor. Now we're just waiting for
we're waiting for the vote on the floor. We really
appreciate your members coming and testifying but also emailing committee
members the great process.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
How would you characterize this bill, HB one thirty three, Well, it's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Mostly a record or a cleanup bill, but there there
are some elements where we had to make policy calls.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
You know, for a long.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Time we've been adding to our taking away from this
gargantuan firearm statute, and it's just gotten really messy and confusing,
and people should know their rights. So we decided to
clean up the statute, make it easy to read, easy
to know what you can and can't do, and where
the policy calls are. I think that's where the friction
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point is, especially with for instance, an eighteen to twenty
one year old can carry in their car open carry loaded.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
They can carry in.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
A domicile, but for some reason, I think it probably
was an oversight, but they just couldn't carry anywhere else
unless they had a provisional carry permit and So this
just clarifies that they can carry everywhere that a normal
permit holder can carry or a provisional permit holder can carry.
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So then you have the portion on a loaded long
rifle or shotgun in a car. So we're clarifying that
you can. Before the bill, you can do that with
a permit. Now under the bill, you can actually just
do that without a permit. So just clarifying making sure
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that all gun owners in Utah are treated the same
and making sure that our Second Amendment rights are fully protected.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, and I'll take another stab at it too, is
that eighteen year olds who could otherwise lawfully possess a
handgun could openly carry it right now, and they just
can't have around in the chamber. So we're talking half
to three quarters of a second difference. Still in any
other state, almost we'd still call that a loaded gun
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when you had a fully loaded magazine in there, ammunition
in the cylinder. But now we're just changing that to
make it. I mean, there's I think there's fifteen sixteen
states that already allow that they haven't had a pattern
of problem. But I think it's a I think that
these folks that are detractors of one thirty three have
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tried to characterize it as now eighteen year olds can
have a gun and you know, or they can carry
a gun. Well, folks, you know, they've they've always been
able to do that. Do you find that if people
actually and it's a big bill, but it may be
a huge you know, two hundred and sixty three pages,
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but it's easy to find the changes in it if
you just go to the underlined portions, and uh so
you don't you're not literally reading nine thousand lines of code.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
How I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Ask you a question I didn't talk to you about
before about one thirty three, or about bills in general.
How do you when somebody spends all the time writing
this legislation, getting it, you know, talking to all the
interested stakeholders, going through with led research everything, and then
somebody later on during the session, even though the bill
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has been out for a few months, sees that a
section of code is open and wants to change it
for their own, you know, myopic ideals or something like that,
and take advantage of that section being open and changing
the intent of the bill.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
What are your thoughts on that, well, clerk, that's a
great question. Honestly, generally, it's okay right if there's if
there's an actual improvement that can be made and somebody
is approaching, but if it's walking something back or or
going in a different policy direction, generally we tend to
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resist those efforts up on the hill, and certainly that
has happened with HBE three. It has a lot of
sections of code open, so there's a lot of comments.
But you know, that's where your members come in. Where
they got involved in killing a bill on Friday, they
can help get involved in supporting passing a bill as
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this one moves through the process, and we'd love to
have your members weigh in with our members to make
sure that they're hearing from Second Amendment lovers in the
state of Utah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, it was really very interesting when your bill is
being heard, when they open it up to the public
for comment, there was a lot of opposition in there.
But one of the most amazing things about the opposition
about your bill which they didn't fully understand as or recodification,
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and it was already existing a lot like they hadn't
even read the bill, and so we spent a lot
of time because you know how it is, you go
up there and a bill is being heard, and if
a bill is a good bill, you don't need twenty people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Out there rehashing that it's a bad bill.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
But when it's a bad bill, and you got twenty
people hashing out that it's a bad bill and they
obviously hadn't read it, what do you do as a
chairman or a chairperson up there to say, hey, bring
it back in. Because I actually told Clark, I said, Clark,
you got to bring this back into what this bill's about.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah, and Clark, your comments in committee were spot on.
I loved your first statement where you basically said we're
going to bring this back to what the bill's actually about,
which was super helpful because yeah, I mean, the chair
certainly has the progative to call people on ger maintenance,
but a lot of times people just want to talk.
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And so, as you noticed also in my closing comments,
I was pretty strong on if you vote against this bill,
just to be clear, you're not voting against eighteen year
old's carrying in public because the bill, the bill doesn't
change that it's already exist law. And so you know,
I just think it's important for any any resident of Utah,
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any person who wants to be cyfically minded and come
up to get involved, to make sure they inform themselves
and they're accurately representing what's in a piece of legislation
before commenting on it.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
You know, talking about citizen involvement, are you noticing any
differences because you've been up there for a while, are
you noticing any differences in citizen involvement, especially on the
gun rights front, in demographics or anything like that about
people getting up testifying being active, Well, Clark a little bit.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
I mean, I love the fact that more and more
young people are involved and just want to have their
voice heard and feel strongly about the Second Amendment. And
that has been really heartening to see. For a long time,
it was, you know, the hunters, the normally active folks,
and now you just have this whole group of young
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peopleeople who are rare and to go and want to
have their Second Amendment rights protected. And a lot of
them are college students and they want to carry on
college campuses without being questioned or challenged by others. And
certainly that's already the law, but this bill does clarify
that for those college students. So yes, I really appreciate
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their voice.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Well, you are a champion way back when with the
provisional concealed carry permit and which allowed you know, that
ability for you know, otherwise law abiding person to possess
a firearm one at campus and in their dorms and
there where they live in that and so that has gone.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That's been fantastic.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We've never seen I can't think of an instance, let
alone a pattern of problems with that provisional concealed carry permit,
and I think it's a template for the rest of
the nation.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's been fantastic. So thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It was exciting to do that bill my very first session,
and we were the second state. And I think, now,
don't five states have a provisional carry something I know more?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, Actually, I think there's actually twelve states that actually
allow provisional concealed carry and below or rather I should
say that allow eighteen year olds to obtain that. And
the other thing I want to put point out that
was your first session and it was a gun bill
that it almost never passes without some amendments, usually two
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or three or four amendments and or substitutions we call them.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It passed as is on the first try.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, that was awesome, awesome that that was fun.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That is it for this.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We want to thank Representative Carry and Lizenbye from House
District fourteen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Thank you Bill for correct carrying on that one.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
For mass District fourteen representing the good folks in Clearfield area,
but ultimately all of Utah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
And when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, We've
got lots more to go, stay tuned. If your gun
fell into the hot tub and it stayed there over
the weekend, how's that, Bill? With all those chemicals and
the algae and the and the stuff, could happen?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Could happen?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You? Could you have a hot I mean everybody everybody
has a hot tub has a hot tub gun and
it sometimes anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Trying to picture how you would carry that gun in
the hot tub there, clerk.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We don't carry it. You have it accessible anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Nonetheless, it was the worst segue ever into the gunsmith.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
A sportsman's warehouse can fix.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That your hot tub gun or your shower gun or
your uh anyway, and you get it over to the gunsmith,
a sportsman's warehouse and they can they can take care
of it sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City. Give them a called eight to one three
zero four eighty seventy or anything that needs to happen
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to your firearm, cosmetic type stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I'm thinking engravings, sarah cooting, rebluing, refinishing, stock work, and
I always run to threading of the barrel for your
mufflers or your flash hiders, or your you know, anything
like that, your loudners, your loudnarth.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, anyway, get it over to the gunsmith. Now, if
you can't get it over.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
To the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse, you can take it
into any of the over one hundred and forty six
Sportsmen's Warehouse locations and they will take care of it
for you. Get it over to the gunsmith. Bill you had,
Oh there was what do you got?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
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the last day of flash my brass Ammo can sale.
So if you need that nine millimeter in an Ammo can,
they've got some great prices and I'm sure it's waterproof
and everything. They also have two twenty three twelve gauge
twenty two you name it, they've got it. Go over
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and check out the flash My Brass. So you can
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South and if you're local, you know how to get there.
You know, one o four there and Draper just on
the north side of one hundred and twenty third. Go
check out flash My Brass and their last day on
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their Ammos sale. That's a going and remember mo can.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So remember that's AMMO can, not AMMO can.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, so anyway, EMMO can.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, anyway, Hey, uh, you know what I I didn't
say we were going to do this. I thought we're
going to do this fourth segment, but I want to
do it right now. I want to introduce Rael Cunningham,
Regional Director for Women for Gun Rights, a rail kind
of rail. Welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Thank you, Thank you for having me on rail.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You have been your organization has been active up on
Utah tuzz Capitol Hill for quite a while. But you're
more than just Utah. It's your nationwide right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I am the regional director, so I actually cover twelve
states here in the Northwest, just actively trying to keep
bad gun laws from being passed in all the states.
We also work at the federal level and go to
DC about once a year to work at that level
as well and meet with legislators.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And in addition to that, I know, you get together
with the other women and you actually do shooting things
you do. I mean, you're doing it all and you're
a mom.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right, correct?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I have three kids?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
So how do you do this? Because this is kind
of my gig, But how do you do this? How
do you juggle that time? Because you're up there every
time I'm up at the hill, which is all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You're always up there too.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, so I am actually a volunteer. I don't get
paid to do any of this.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
They'll reimburse my gas if I ask for it, and
I usually don't, But you know, I just think this
is such an important issue. I don't want to become
like Colorado and some of the other states that are
around us and have our rights stripped away a little
by a little.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And so I just make it work.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
And my kids half the time get to come with me,
and they get to see how that process works up
at the Capitol, and they probably learn more about our
government by actually attending the capital than they do in
their classes.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
So what role do you see women for gun rights
taken care of handling in that that you know, maybe
isn't done by old white men like Bill.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yeah, you know, we're really the women's voice in this fight.
I think for a long time women just kind of
sat back and just let kind of the men handle
the guns and the hunting and all of that thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
And we've been seeing lately that women are one of.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
The highest purchasers of firearms in the last few years,
and so we need to stand up for them as well.
That it's not just a men's issue. This is a
women's issue, and it's a non partisan thing that we
can be involved in as daughters and mothers and sisters
and can help others feel that empowerment of learning how
to protect themselves and protect our rights.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And I this is never more apparent to me than
with my wife, Casey Jane, who picks out her own guns.
She doesn't have me pick out she she has picked
out her own guns picked out. In fact, she did
so well. I actually liked it so much I bought
one for myself. But anytime I actually go to the
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store and get another gun. She quickly reminds me that
we got another gun, not just me got another gun.
But anyway, tell me about some of your experiences up
on the hill. You know, I know you testified against
a storage bill, and I testified for Representative Lizenbee's bill,
and you testified against another bill yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That you just killed it. You killed it in committee.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I'm so glad that you think that, because I'm usually
terrified when I get up there, and I'm so afraid
to make a fool of myself.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yesterday's bill SB one thirty, you know, just so many
restrictions and so many things that go against the US
Constitution and the Utah Constitution. You know, it's hard to
sit back and let somebody just think that somebody who
doesn't really understand firearms or know much about firearms to
come in and say we don't deserve these things when
they don't really know much about it and about the process.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
It gets very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Do you find yourself explaining a bill to people that
maybe they got it wrong? And why do people get
the misunderstand some of these bills?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Why do you suppose that is I think.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Sometimes people don't actually read the bill. So, especially with
Representative Lisenbee's bill, it was so long, but if you
go through it, you can see you kind of talked
about this in the first hour where they're the red
highlighted parts of the parts that are changing, and so
you don't have to read the entire bill. You can
just read the parts that are changing. But then people
go up and they testify because someone told them how
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to testify or told them this is what's happening without
actually doing any of the research and looking at the
bill ahead of time. Like Represented Lismbee said, you know,
we're not eighteen year olds can already carry in the
state of Utah. This is just helping them with the
open carry part of that. So it's not really changing
anything other than clarifying that language.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
How do people find out more about women for gun rights?
And by the way, I want you to stay over
on the sports segment, So how do people find out
more about that and become part of it?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, so if anybody you don't have to it can
be man or women.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
We'll accept anybody that wants to come and help. But
you can just go to Womenfrogunrights dot org. There's a
joint now button. You just fill that out. It doesn't
cost anything. We set you up wherever you're from. We
put your information into that state, and you get emails
from our state director, which is Cindy Zumwalt.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
We don't spam you or anything.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
We just send out legislative updates or anytime we have
an event, we'll send out that information. But we can
always use more voices because, like you guys said earlier,
they every time a gun bill comes up, they always
mentioned how many emails they get, and it makes a
difference because they are seeing that their constituents really don't
want these.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Right bill.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I think we need T shirts that said men who
support women for gun rights.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
All right, well, we'll discuss that. We'll discuss new T
shirts when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The last segment, Clark and there were some big nudes
big news. Not big nudes, big news out of the
fifth Circuit.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Did you did you?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Did you say what you said?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That tongue tongue tied big nudes, big nuds. Okay, all right,
shower thing. I can't get over this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know, all right, Casey Jane, that is anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
A three judge panel in Fifth Circuit Court out in
New Orleans just on Thursday, just a couple of days ago,
ruled this. And it's very interesting because it's consistent and
there's really no reason for it that it's been this
way anyway. Fifth Circuit has been championing gun rights and
individual rights and individual responsibility for a long time, and
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it you know, everything they've been They've made some controversial
rulings on abortion and gun rights and immigration in that anyway,
they wrote that in their ruling, eighteen to twenty year
olds should not be barred from making handgun purchases. Now,
it's interesting because in Utah, and I think in most
states I don't have the exact number, not in California,
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that you can do private party transfers, and eighteen year
olds can buy a handgun from a private party, no problem,
and we haven't seen pattern of problems with them anyway.
The panel said it disagrees with the federal government's argument
that age restrictions on the purses of handguns do not
infringe on the Second Amendment, because this is what the
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federal government has said in their argument because those people
between the ages of eighteen and twenty are not counted
among the people protected by constitutional right to bear arms.
Rayel Cunningham, Executive Regional director for Women for Gun Rights,
What say you on this?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Oh, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
They can vote, they can go fight in our wars
in the military, but they're not considered people yet.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I don't get it. It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, Rael, thank you so much for continuing to
join us on this fourth segment. So I just want
to run through just a few more bills. So I
think we talked about HB two two to one burglary amendments. Basically,
it creates a crime if you break into somebody's house
that's already and you start messing with their gun storage
device whatever it is, and that's a separate one.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
What have we got.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
We've got HB or no SB SB fourteen. Don't worry
about SB fourteen. Essentially, this is the private sale of
a firearm. Sunset Review amendments. If you want, give Senator
Keith Grover, you know, to let them know that you
support this, to review and renew the ability for people
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to do a background check if they want to from
their phone via BCI kind of like a background check essentially,
just making sure that the person you're selling it to
is not going to get you into trouble for transferring
a gun to.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Them SB oh.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And then the last one that we actually don't have
to worry about anymore. SB one thirty firearm and Firearm
Accessory modifications from Senator Nate Blowan, which was heard in
Senate Natural Resources Committee and was and failed on a
Was it a five to one or six to one vote?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah? Five? Yeah, I think it was five to one. Yeah, Bill,
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What are your thoughts on Senator Blowin's bill?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh, bless his heart, bless his I mean he had
a lot of great intentions. I mean he was thinking
of the community. But I got to go back and
say if he was thinking of his uh, because he
was always bringing.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Up all my constinctions, my constituents. So all this, that
and the other.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And we've noticed we're your third in the nation for
the lowest gun crime.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But the hell you say, the hell you say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Four tenths off. And I've always thought if Sally County
would prosecute illegal gun folks are doing bad things with
their guns. We could be probably number one in the
nation for the lowest. Well, I'm going to run the numbers.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I will run the numbers between the twenty nine counties,
and here is my uh my prediction is that if
we were to take out Salt Lake County, yes it
is the most populous county in Utah, but we then
adjust appropriately for population, we will be the lowest in
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the nation. Now, and Bill was right. We are now
and last year I think we were fourth or fifth.
Now we're number third. And this is not some pine
the sky weird website. This is from the CDC and
the homicide rate. So let me tell you Utah has
two point two homicides per one hundred thousand people. Beating
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us at two is Rhode Island road. Is that really
even a state? It's more of I think we have.
I think Weaber County is bigger than Rhode Island. Anyway,
Rhode Island is at two point zero and New Hampshire,
lovely New Hampshire, is at one point eight.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And so you were right.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
The thing that separates us from first place or the
first lowest is four tenths of a point, four tenths
of a point. Now, let's take a look at some states,
like say California or Washington d C. That have some
of and more of the laws that Senator Blowin's SB
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one thirty one thirty would have done. You know, background checks,
waiting periods, semiato bands, so on and so forth. Magazine
restrictions California bands. Yes, yeah, So California with all those
prohibitive restrictive laws and more, they are three times are
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homicide rate.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now let's look at Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Every every I mean, yeah, that's a champion for all
the gun restrictions. They are twelve times are homicide rate
at twenty three point seven per one hundred thousands.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Cam Be Clark. They have no guns. They have the
tightest restriction in the nation.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Bill I'm telling you, yeah, tell me it's.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Getting them from bringing them in.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, all right, So what is the difference they're telling
them so well, I think you.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Touched on it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I think the difference is one, we prosecute people other
than maybe Salt Lake County, we keep people in prison
other than maybe Salt Lake County. And culture. I think
I think those are some of the big reasons. But
we have and I told the Committee. We have some
of the least restrictive firearm laws in the nation, I
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think the least Anyway, I want to leave it to Rayel.
You've got about don at fifteen seconds. What do you
think I mean?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I think if we I agree with you one hundred percent.
My husband works in law enforcement and a lot of
his job takes him up to Salt Lake because that's
where the crime is and they're fighting drugs and fire
like weapons violations and all sorts of things up there.
And I think if we could just actually keep criminals
in jail, then a lot of that would go away.
Arsher punishments. Maybe it'll scare them to stop committing crimes.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Interesting, interesting thought, DA no idea, Rayel.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
All right, folks, until next week.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Bill, you can't hear it, but the music is going
until next week.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Hey, take somebody out shooting.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Go to Utah Shooting Sports Council and Women for Gun Right,
find out about these gun laws, and I'll see you
up on the hill along with Bill and Rayel.
Up on the hill. We have not made any apologies,
have we.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
In fact, you you.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Probably statements that I have not apologized for him.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Bill, you probably have done some things that you should
have probably apologized for maybe. But anyway, thank goodness you're
with Gun Radio Utah. I am you, Rose Clark a Poshan,
chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, sitting across from
me virtually Bill Patterson in your he Man Woman Haters,
club Man cave, although I did see Karen in there
(00:27):
just a second ago in Cleo.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Anyway, you are director of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
And I think we said before our newest lobbyist, So
you've been Yeah, you've been lobbying.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, lobbying away.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, every day you're lobbying.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
So anyway, we're going to tell you what's going on
up in the hill. This is going to be pretty
much solid Utah legislative type stuff and maybe throwing a
little teeny bit about fifth Circuit. But I have your
pencil ready to go, and if you somehow miss it,
then listen to us on podcast If you're listening to
us on podcasts, definitely hit a like. If there's a
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because that's what is making us the best in the nation.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right now. I think we're what number five, I want
to say on.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Gun related podcast in radio in the nation and number
two in Utah for legal Oddly enough, I think it's
because of our legislative coverage bill that we get the
NOD for number two in Utah for Utah legal podcasts
and radio. All right, so have your pencil and a
piece of paper or pen I don't care whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And we're going to give you. So give me an idea.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We're following thirty bills up at Utah Legislature, which is
in We just finished our second week of the session
and it goes for forty five days every year. All right,
I'm going to give you a list of the bills,
and if you go to l e dot Utah dot
gov follow the links there, you can create your own
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little free account so that you can track the bills
and then you just hit bill tracking, find out where
they are, what they're doing, who voted for them, who
voted against them. You can listen to the bills, you
can read the bills, you can do everything, and it'll
be your own little private portal into the Utah legislature.
(02:32):
And when it comes time to come up to the
hill or testify online, you can do that with just
a few clicks. So Utah has made it pretty easy.
So we're going to tell you about a few bills
that you should watch HB. In fact, I'm just gonna
I'm just going to get into it bill bill about
the bills that works.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That works, So uh HB.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
One oh four, And tell you about that Firearm Safety
and School's Amendments. We had a we had a hearing
on that one in the house and it's been held.
It's not bad that it was held. It was probably
it needed a few adjustments. And what we're going to
do with that one is it talks about mandating. Even
though I don't like mandates.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
A lot of school districts just do not want to.
They want to stick their head in the sand and
not recognize that over half the homes in Utah have
a firearm in them, and even the ones that don't
have them, your kids may visit another house. So we're
talking about teaching kids. And if you don't want your
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kids to learn about firearms, or you've already done it
and you don't want them to learn some other way,
you can opt out of it, and that's what the
bill allows for. But what we didn't specify in the
first and the original bill was the exact content that
the local education authority, the local school district or whatever
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need to have, and that was apparently putting a lot
of burden on the LA's the local education authorities. So
we're probably going to go with something like age appropriate
videos or an age appropriate script that any kindergarten school
teacher or a fifth grade teacher or whatever, whether they
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know about firearms or not, can just read from the
script and then boom, you're done. And we're talking, honestly, bill,
what we figure three to four minutes something like that
once a year, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we're thinking, and
you know, the only reason to do this is if
we care about protecting our kids. So anyway, that is
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HB one or four, it's held right now. As soon
as we get some better language and more direction for
the bill, then it'll come back.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Up into committee and it'll be fine, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
HB one twenty eight Dangerous Weapon at School amendments percent
of Gwynn. All this does is make it so that
if an eighteen or younger year old brings a gun
to school, well we have a way to charge them,
because technically before there wasn't a specific, a very affirmative
specific charge, and so we're just adding that to it.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Two, if you're following that one right now, you can
go ahead and wipe. Well, no, not that one. That
one is still it was still technically in place. So
that one is a nothing more than a cap law
a firearm storage requirement.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And but well actually it wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
It was a penalization if you didn't and someone took
your gun and misused it a minor. And so what
we did is we already have existing laws on negligence
and providing a gun or even knowing if a miner
under your care custody has a firearm. So the sponsor
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of the bill, Representative Stoddard, ran over to the chairman
of the committee just before his bill was about to go.
I think maybe he read the writing on the wall
and got it held, and got it held. So it
has a what do we want a reprieve from dying
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right now? But we still don't like the bill. He
offered some changes to it. We still don't like it.
We think existing law is sufficient and not deficient. So
HB one thirty two will probably come back, but we
don't know. HB one thirty three that's a fantastic I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's a big bill, folks. It's a big bill.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It is about nine thousand lines long, but it's not
nine thousand new sections of code. It's essentially a recodification.
We will be having the House Majority Whip Representative carry
on Lizzenbee from House District fifty seven, Clearfield Area on
second segment, and I imagine she'll talk about that bill
(07:08):
and some of the miss representations that are going on
about this. It's basically a requalification bill with a few amendments,
a few changes in it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And got a lot of questions for do you a
lot yes, Oh yeah, this is this is keeping me.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Up as night firearm safety and centives. HB one three
Representative Matt McPherson, good guy. We've had represented McPherson on
Gun Radio Utah before. And essentially it offers a tax
rebate if you buy a safety storage thing like a
gun safe or something like that. So this is more
of the carrot, the very tasty carrot and not the
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stick involved in that one. Let's see, we've got one
that well, it's it's just in a standing committee right now.
We'll talk about that one later. One that is going
to come up I think on Monday, Yeah, coming up
on Monday at two pm in House law enforcement is
imitation firearm amendments. Basically, it penalizes a child a minor
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if they take the orange tip off a gun of
a toy gun. We're not talking paintball gun. We're not
talking even airsoft. We're talking about a toy toy gun
like Mattel or something, and penalizes them if they yank
that orange tip off. We don't think that's necessary. We
think we've got existing laws to handle that. And what
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have we got I've got about well a little bit
less than a minute here HB two to one. Not
necessarily in play, yet it's a good one. Burglary Amendments
by Representative Jack and essentially creates a crime if you
try to mess with, destroy, tamper with a firearm storage device,
if you're breaking into somebody's house. So in addition to
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breaking in, you've got that one too. Let's see, and
we've got oh when we I think probably third segment
bill will cover the bill that uh that died. And
I mean it, it went down. It went down in flames.
SB one thirty. And what was that? That was literally yesterday?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, it was yesterday. I had to think about it.
All the days are kind of allaying together. SB one thirty.
This was your everything that California, well not quite everything
that California has, but definitely all the really bad waiting periods,
semi automatic bands, magazine restrictions, you name it. It was
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a cornucopia, cornucopia bad ideas. Uh, long story short, it
didn't make it. So anyway, all right, what am I getting?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'm getting and I got, you know, I got real quick, Clark.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I gotta throw a shout out to our members and
our our USSC supporters that are on the alerts. We
sent out an alert yesterday morning, gave all the details,
here's how to contact the committee members, here's the language
they need to know. The first thing, I always pronounce
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it blow and said he apologized for all the emails
that the committee members received regarding this bill. They were
overwhelmed with all the support against this bill.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And sob all right, when we come back, we're going
to have a representative Carrie and lizzenbe on and soci
stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
We want to also let you know if you want
to get out there and check out Utah Shooting Sports Council,
go check us out at Utah Shooting Sports Council dot
org at the very top, get signed up for our alerts.
We can always use our members reaching out to their
representatives when bills come up, like we just spoke about
on Senate Bill one point thirty yesterday played a great
role and it was even brought up in committee about
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it as well. So for everyone that did do that,
thank you very much and for you that would like
to get to know more information and get become more
actively involved. So check us out your Touching Sports Council
dot org and get signed up on our alerts and
we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Hey, we've got a great guest with this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We've got a representative Listenbee from House District fourteen. Now,
how did I know that and Clark didn't? I don't know,
but that's okay. I thought of how Fitch fourteen and
Majority Whip leader and boy, we've had some fun this
past week with your bill up there.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Representative.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yes, that was fun, had its committee hearing, it's on
the board on the floor. Now we're just waiting for
we're waiting for the vote on the floor. We really
appreciate your members coming and testifying but also emailing committee
members the great process.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
How would you characterize this bill, HB one thirty three, Well, it's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Mostly a record or a cleanup bill, but there there
are some elements where we had to make policy calls.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
You know, for a long.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Time we've been adding to our taking away from this
gargantuan firearm statute, and it's just gotten really messy and confusing,
and people should know their rights. So we decided to
clean up the statute, make it easy to read, easy
to know what you can and can't do, and where
the policy calls are. I think that's where the friction
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point is, especially with for instance, an eighteen to twenty
one year old can carry in their car open carry loaded.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
They can carry in.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
A domicile, but for some reason, I think it probably
was an oversight, but they just couldn't carry anywhere else
unless they had a provisional carry permit and So this
just clarifies that they can carry everywhere that a normal
permit holder can carry or a provisional permit holder can carry.
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So then you have the portion on a loaded long
rifle or shotgun in a car. So we're clarifying that
you can. Before the bill, you can do that with
a permit. Now under the bill, you can actually just
do that without a permit. So just clarifying making sure
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that all gun owners in Utah are treated the same
and making sure that our Second Amendment rights are fully protected.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, and I'll take another stab at it too, is
that eighteen year olds who could otherwise lawfully possess a
handgun could openly carry it right now, and they just
can't have around in the chamber. So we're talking half
to three quarters of a second difference. Still in any
other state, almost we'd still call that a loaded gun
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when you had a fully loaded magazine in there, ammunition
in the cylinder. But now we're just changing that to
make it. I mean, there's I think there's fifteen sixteen
states that already allow that they haven't had a pattern
of problem. But I think it's a I think that
these folks that are detractors of one thirty three have
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tried to characterize it as now eighteen year olds can
have a gun and you know, or they can carry
a gun. Well, folks, you know, they've they've always been
able to do that. Do you find that if people
actually and it's a big bill, but it may be
a huge you know, two hundred and sixty three pages,
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but it's easy to find the changes in it if
you just go to the underlined portions, and uh so
you don't you're not literally reading nine thousand lines of code.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
How I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Ask you a question I didn't talk to you about
before about one thirty three, or about bills in general.
How do you when somebody spends all the time writing
this legislation, getting it, you know, talking to all the
interested stakeholders, going through with led research everything, and then
somebody later on during the session, even though the bill
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has been out for a few months, sees that a
section of code is open and wants to change it
for their own, you know, myopic ideals or something like that,
and take advantage of that section being open and changing
the intent of the bill.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
What are your thoughts on that, well, clerk, that's a
great question. Honestly, generally, it's okay right if there's if
there's an actual improvement that can be made and somebody
is approaching, but if it's walking something back or or
going in a different policy direction, generally we tend to
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resist those efforts up on the hill, and certainly that
has happened with HBE three. It has a lot of
sections of code open, so there's a lot of comments.
But you know, that's where your members come in. Where
they got involved in killing a bill on Friday, they
can help get involved in supporting passing a bill as
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this one moves through the process, and we'd love to
have your members weigh in with our members to make
sure that they're hearing from Second Amendment lovers in the
state of Utah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, it was really very interesting when your bill is
being heard, when they open it up to the public
for comment, there was a lot of opposition in there.
But one of the most amazing things about the opposition
about your bill which they didn't fully understand as or recodification,
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and it was already existing a lot like they hadn't
even read the bill, and so we spent a lot
of time because you know how it is, you go
up there and a bill is being heard, and if
a bill is a good bill, you don't need twenty people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Out there rehashing that it's a bad bill.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
But when it's a bad bill, and you got twenty
people hashing out that it's a bad bill and they
obviously hadn't read it, what do you do as a
chairman or a chairperson up there to say, hey, bring
it back in. Because I actually told Clark, I said, Clark,
you got to bring this back into what this bill's about.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah, and Clark, your comments in committee were spot on.
I loved your first statement where you basically said we're
going to bring this back to what the bill's actually about,
which was super helpful because yeah, I mean, the chair
certainly has the progative to call people on ger maintenance,
but a lot of times people just want to talk.
(17:44):
And so, as you noticed also in my closing comments,
I was pretty strong on if you vote against this bill,
just to be clear, you're not voting against eighteen year
old's carrying in public because the bill, the bill doesn't
change that it's already exist law. And so you know,
I just think it's important for any any resident of Utah,
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any person who wants to be cyfically minded and come
up to get involved, to make sure they inform themselves
and they're accurately representing what's in a piece of legislation
before commenting on it.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
You know, talking about citizen involvement, are you noticing any
differences because you've been up there for a while, are
you noticing any differences in citizen involvement, especially on the
gun rights front, in demographics or anything like that about
people getting up testifying being active, Well, Clark a little bit.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
I mean, I love the fact that more and more
young people are involved and just want to have their
voice heard and feel strongly about the Second Amendment. And
that has been really heartening to see. For a long time,
it was, you know, the hunters, the normally active folks,
and now you just have this whole group of young
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peopleeople who are rare and to go and want to
have their Second Amendment rights protected. And a lot of
them are college students and they want to carry on
college campuses without being questioned or challenged by others. And
certainly that's already the law, but this bill does clarify
that for those college students. So yes, I really appreciate
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their voice.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Well, you are a champion way back when with the
provisional concealed carry permit and which allowed you know, that
ability for you know, otherwise law abiding person to possess
a firearm one at campus and in their dorms and
there where they live in that and so that has gone.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That's been fantastic.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We've never seen I can't think of an instance, let
alone a pattern of problems with that provisional concealed carry permit,
and I think it's a template for the rest of
the nation.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's been fantastic. So thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It was exciting to do that bill my very first session,
and we were the second state. And I think, now,
don't five states have a provisional carry something I know more?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, Actually, I think there's actually twelve states that actually
allow provisional concealed carry and below or rather I should
say that allow eighteen year olds to obtain that. And
the other thing I want to put point out that
was your first session and it was a gun bill
that it almost never passes without some amendments, usually two
(20:33):
or three or four amendments and or substitutions we call them.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It passed as is on the first try.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, that was awesome, awesome that that was fun.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That is it for this.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We want to thank Representative Carry and Lizenbye from House
District fourteen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Thank you Bill for correct carrying on that one.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
For mass District fourteen representing the good folks in Clearfield area,
but ultimately all of Utah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
And when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, We've
got lots more to go, stay tuned. If your gun
fell into the hot tub and it stayed there over
the weekend, how's that, Bill? With all those chemicals and
the algae and the and the stuff, could happen?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Could happen?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You? Could you have a hot I mean everybody everybody
has a hot tub has a hot tub gun and
it sometimes anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Trying to picture how you would carry that gun in
the hot tub there, clerk.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We don't carry it. You have it accessible anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Nonetheless, it was the worst segue ever into the gunsmith.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
A sportsman's warehouse can fix.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That your hot tub gun or your shower gun or
your uh anyway, and you get it over to the gunsmith,
a sportsman's warehouse and they can they can take care
of it sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City. Give them a called eight to one three
zero four eighty seventy or anything that needs to happen
(21:56):
to your firearm, cosmetic type stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I'm thinking engravings, sarah cooting, rebluing, refinishing, stock work, and
I always run to threading of the barrel for your
mufflers or your flash hiders, or your you know, anything
like that, your loudners, your loudnarth.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, anyway, get it over to the gunsmith. Now, if
you can't get it over.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
To the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse, you can take it
into any of the over one hundred and forty six
Sportsmen's Warehouse locations and they will take care of it
for you. Get it over to the gunsmith. Bill you had,
Oh there was what do you got?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, you had me at Shower Guns. So today is
the last day of flash my brass Ammo can sale.
So if you need that nine millimeter in an Ammo can,
they've got some great prices and I'm sure it's waterproof
and everything. They also have two twenty three twelve gauge
twenty two you name it, they've got it. Go over
(22:57):
and check out the flash My Brass. So you can
stop buy at eighteen o two sand Hill Road in
Orum or four thirty eight West one and twenty third
South and if you're local, you know how to get there.
You know, one o four there and Draper just on
the north side of one hundred and twenty third. Go
check out flash My Brass and their last day on
(23:20):
their Ammos sale. That's a going and remember mo can.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So remember that's AMMO can, not AMMO can.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, so anyway, EMMO can.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, anyway, Hey, uh, you know what I I didn't
say we were going to do this. I thought we're
going to do this fourth segment, but I want to
do it right now. I want to introduce Rael Cunningham,
Regional Director for Women for Gun Rights, a rail kind
of rail. Welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Thank you, Thank you for having me on rail.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You have been your organization has been active up on
Utah tuzz Capitol Hill for quite a while. But you're
more than just Utah. It's your nationwide right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I am the regional director, so I actually cover twelve
states here in the Northwest, just actively trying to keep
bad gun laws from being passed in all the states.
We also work at the federal level and go to
DC about once a year to work at that level
as well and meet with legislators.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And in addition to that, I know, you get together
with the other women and you actually do shooting things
you do. I mean, you're doing it all and you're
a mom.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right, correct?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I have three kids?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
So how do you do this? Because this is kind
of my gig, But how do you do this? How
do you juggle that time? Because you're up there every
time I'm up at the hill, which is all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You're always up there too.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, so I am actually a volunteer. I don't get
paid to do any of this.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
They'll reimburse my gas if I ask for it, and
I usually don't, But you know, I just think this
is such an important issue. I don't want to become
like Colorado and some of the other states that are
around us and have our rights stripped away a little
by a little.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And so I just make it work.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
And my kids half the time get to come with me,
and they get to see how that process works up
at the Capitol, and they probably learn more about our
government by actually attending the capital than they do in
their classes.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
So what role do you see women for gun rights
taken care of handling in that that you know, maybe
isn't done by old white men like Bill.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yeah, you know, we're really the women's voice in this fight.
I think for a long time women just kind of
sat back and just let kind of the men handle
the guns and the hunting and all of that thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
And we've been seeing lately that women are one of.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
The highest purchasers of firearms in the last few years,
and so we need to stand up for them as well.
That it's not just a men's issue. This is a
women's issue, and it's a non partisan thing that we
can be involved in as daughters and mothers and sisters
and can help others feel that empowerment of learning how
to protect themselves and protect our rights.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And I this is never more apparent to me than
with my wife, Casey Jane, who picks out her own guns.
She doesn't have me pick out she she has picked
out her own guns picked out. In fact, she did
so well. I actually liked it so much I bought
one for myself. But anytime I actually go to the
(26:33):
store and get another gun. She quickly reminds me that
we got another gun, not just me got another gun.
But anyway, tell me about some of your experiences up
on the hill. You know, I know you testified against
a storage bill, and I testified for Representative Lizenbee's bill,
and you testified against another bill yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That you just killed it. You killed it in committee.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I'm so glad that you think that, because I'm usually
terrified when I get up there, and I'm so afraid
to make a fool of myself.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yesterday's bill SB one thirty, you know, just so many
restrictions and so many things that go against the US
Constitution and the Utah Constitution. You know, it's hard to
sit back and let somebody just think that somebody who
doesn't really understand firearms or know much about firearms to
come in and say we don't deserve these things when
they don't really know much about it and about the process.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
It gets very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Do you find yourself explaining a bill to people that
maybe they got it wrong? And why do people get
the misunderstand some of these bills?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Why do you suppose that is I think.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Sometimes people don't actually read the bill. So, especially with
Representative Lisenbee's bill, it was so long, but if you
go through it, you can see you kind of talked
about this in the first hour where they're the red
highlighted parts of the parts that are changing, and so
you don't have to read the entire bill. You can
just read the parts that are changing. But then people
go up and they testify because someone told them how
(28:06):
to testify or told them this is what's happening without
actually doing any of the research and looking at the
bill ahead of time. Like Represented Lismbee said, you know,
we're not eighteen year olds can already carry in the
state of Utah. This is just helping them with the
open carry part of that. So it's not really changing
anything other than clarifying that language.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
How do people find out more about women for gun rights?
And by the way, I want you to stay over
on the sports segment, So how do people find out
more about that and become part of it?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, so if anybody you don't have to it can
be man or women.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
We'll accept anybody that wants to come and help. But
you can just go to Womenfrogunrights dot org. There's a
joint now button. You just fill that out. It doesn't
cost anything. We set you up wherever you're from. We
put your information into that state, and you get emails
from our state director, which is Cindy Zumwalt.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
We don't spam you or anything.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
We just send out legislative updates or anytime we have
an event, we'll send out that information. But we can
always use more voices because, like you guys said earlier,
they every time a gun bill comes up, they always
mentioned how many emails they get, and it makes a
difference because they are seeing that their constituents really don't
want these.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Right bill.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I think we need T shirts that said men who
support women for gun rights.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
All right, well, we'll discuss that. We'll discuss new T
shirts when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The last segment, Clark and there were some big nudes
big news. Not big nudes, big news out of the
fifth Circuit.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Did you did you?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Did you say what you said?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That tongue tongue tied big nudes, big nuds. Okay, all right,
shower thing. I can't get over this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know, all right, Casey Jane, that is anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
A three judge panel in Fifth Circuit Court out in
New Orleans just on Thursday, just a couple of days ago,
ruled this. And it's very interesting because it's consistent and
there's really no reason for it that it's been this
way anyway. Fifth Circuit has been championing gun rights and
individual rights and individual responsibility for a long time, and
(30:28):
it you know, everything they've been They've made some controversial
rulings on abortion and gun rights and immigration in that anyway,
they wrote that in their ruling, eighteen to twenty year
olds should not be barred from making handgun purchases. Now,
it's interesting because in Utah, and I think in most
states I don't have the exact number, not in California,
(30:51):
that you can do private party transfers, and eighteen year
olds can buy a handgun from a private party, no problem,
and we haven't seen pattern of problems with them anyway.
The panel said it disagrees with the federal government's argument
that age restrictions on the purses of handguns do not
infringe on the Second Amendment, because this is what the
(31:13):
federal government has said in their argument because those people
between the ages of eighteen and twenty are not counted
among the people protected by constitutional right to bear arms.
Rayel Cunningham, Executive Regional director for Women for Gun Rights,
What say you on this?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Oh, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
They can vote, they can go fight in our wars
in the military, but they're not considered people yet.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I don't get it. It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, Rael, thank you so much for continuing to
join us on this fourth segment. So I just want
to run through just a few more bills. So I
think we talked about HB two two to one burglary amendments. Basically,
it creates a crime if you break into somebody's house
that's already and you start messing with their gun storage
device whatever it is, and that's a separate one.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
What have we got.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
We've got HB or no SB SB fourteen. Don't worry
about SB fourteen. Essentially, this is the private sale of
a firearm. Sunset Review amendments. If you want, give Senator
Keith Grover, you know, to let them know that you
support this, to review and renew the ability for people
(32:30):
to do a background check if they want to from
their phone via BCI kind of like a background check essentially,
just making sure that the person you're selling it to
is not going to get you into trouble for transferring
a gun to.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Them SB oh.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And then the last one that we actually don't have
to worry about anymore. SB one thirty firearm and Firearm
Accessory modifications from Senator Nate Blowan, which was heard in
Senate Natural Resources Committee and was and failed on a
Was it a five to one or six to one vote?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah? Five? Yeah, I think it was five to one. Yeah, Bill,
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What are your thoughts on Senator Blowin's bill?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh, bless his heart, bless his I mean he had
a lot of great intentions. I mean he was thinking
of the community. But I got to go back and
say if he was thinking of his uh, because he
was always bringing.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Up all my constinctions, my constituents. So all this, that
and the other.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And we've noticed we're your third in the nation for
the lowest gun crime.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But the hell you say, the hell you say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Four tenths off. And I've always thought if Sally County
would prosecute illegal gun folks are doing bad things with
their guns. We could be probably number one in the
nation for the lowest. Well, I'm going to run the numbers.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I will run the numbers between the twenty nine counties,
and here is my uh my prediction is that if
we were to take out Salt Lake County, yes it
is the most populous county in Utah, but we then
adjust appropriately for population, we will be the lowest in
(34:13):
the nation. Now, and Bill was right. We are now
and last year I think we were fourth or fifth.
Now we're number third. And this is not some pine
the sky weird website. This is from the CDC and
the homicide rate. So let me tell you Utah has
two point two homicides per one hundred thousand people. Beating
(34:36):
us at two is Rhode Island road. Is that really
even a state? It's more of I think we have.
I think Weaber County is bigger than Rhode Island. Anyway,
Rhode Island is at two point zero and New Hampshire,
lovely New Hampshire, is at one point eight.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And so you were right.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
The thing that separates us from first place or the
first lowest is four tenths of a point, four tenths
of a point. Now, let's take a look at some states,
like say California or Washington d C. That have some
of and more of the laws that Senator Blowin's SB
(35:19):
one thirty one thirty would have done. You know, background checks,
waiting periods, semiato bands, so on and so forth. Magazine
restrictions California bands. Yes, yeah, So California with all those
prohibitive restrictive laws and more, they are three times are
(35:41):
homicide rate.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now let's look at Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Every every I mean, yeah, that's a champion for all
the gun restrictions. They are twelve times are homicide rate
at twenty three point seven per one hundred thousands.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Cam Be Clark. They have no guns. They have the
tightest restriction in the nation.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Bill I'm telling you, yeah, tell me it's.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Getting them from bringing them in.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, all right, So what is the difference they're telling
them so well, I think you.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Touched on it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I think the difference is one, we prosecute people other
than maybe Salt Lake County, we keep people in prison
other than maybe Salt Lake County. And culture. I think
I think those are some of the big reasons. But
we have and I told the Committee. We have some
of the least restrictive firearm laws in the nation, I
(36:35):
think the least Anyway, I want to leave it to Rayel.
You've got about don at fifteen seconds. What do you
think I mean?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I think if we I agree with you one hundred percent.
My husband works in law enforcement and a lot of
his job takes him up to Salt Lake because that's
where the crime is and they're fighting drugs and fire
like weapons violations and all sorts of things up there.
And I think if we could just actually keep criminals
in jail, then a lot of that would go away.
Arsher punishments. Maybe it'll scare them to stop committing crimes.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Interesting, interesting thought, DA no idea, Rayel.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
All right, folks, until next week.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Bill, you can't hear it, but the music is going
until next week.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Hey, take somebody out shooting.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Go to Utah Shooting Sports Council and Women for Gun Right,
find out about these gun laws, and I'll see you
up on the hill along with Bill and Rayel.
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