February 5, 2026 • 32 mins
In part one, Jonathan and his wife, Emily, check in. In part two, the story of a family forced into hiding after an ICE shooting.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Pushkin. Hello, Hi, my wife, Hi, my husband. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm getting through?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, so you wanted to talk I did.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I feel like we haven't had much of a chance
to connect over the last couple of weeks because there's
been a lot going on here.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Here is Minneapolis, where I live, and the epicenter of
what the Trump administration is calling Operation Metro Surge. Since
it all began with the regular business of work, childcare
and running a household, Emily and I haven't really had
a chance to sit down and actually talk. I knew
she had a lot she wanted to tell me, so
(01:02):
I asked her to start at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
On Wednesday, January seventh, I had dropped Aggie EF at school,
and I was driving down thirty six, which is a
one way.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
There were I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
If it was six or eight vehicles.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Coming directly toward me, going the wrong way down a
one way at full speed, and I really thought I
was going to have a head on collision. Then they
just suddenly stopped, and then a bunch of men started
running out of the cars and they were all masked
and all the vehicles were unmarked. My brain just wasn't
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connecting what was happening? And then I saw two women
running toward this scene with whistles, and then somewhere in
my head it clicked like, oh, this is an ice raid.
I didn't even know exactly what that meant, but I
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just felt so clearly like something wrong is happening, and
so I parked and I jumped out. I ran up
to the building and they were all pulling away the
woman who had a really little, like five pound dog.
One of the ice agents just swerved right at the dog,
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and I was really emotional because I was still had
a lot of adrenaline. I was pending on the one
when they almost hit Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the
women there hugged me and she just kept saying, no,
I know.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
I said, who do they think they are?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Who do they think they are?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Oh my gosh, it's just too much.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I mean that's when everything just like exploded.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I got home, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Had news on the background, and I saw that a
woman had been shot dead, and that turned out later
that this was Renee Good and she had just dropped
her kid off from school too. She was shot about
forty minutes after I had that encounter, about.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Four blocks away. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I went to the vigil that night. Okay, there were
a lot of people there. I think everybody there really
felt an obligation.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
While I was there, I got a text from Katie,
my sister, telling me that ice had showed up at
Theo's school. THEO is her fourteen year old nephew, and
that they had pepper sprayed a crowd of teachers and students.
So she texted me that and then wrote, I have
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no idea how to process this with my child?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Learn what ice was the thing?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
When did you learn that ice was a thing?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I don't do you remember now?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And Aggie?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, Aggie's nine, and so it's that's been one
of the really hard things here is to know what
do you tell your kid. I've been trying to talk
to him about it just as honestly as possible, with
trying to emphasize you know that he's safe. But even
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if he is safe, there's a lot of kids right
now around this city his age who aren't. And that's
how do you explain that?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You know, you told Aggie about Renee Good?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes, and what was that like?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I first told him that a woman had been shot
by ice. Then the next day, Julian came over and Eli,
Julian's dad said something to me about, oh, and you
encountered them that morning in front of Aggie.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And so then Aggi was like, wait, what you're head
right now?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I'm okay, Umber.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
You wouldn't have stopped if I was in the garden.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, no, And we talked about it for a couple
of minutes and then he said, okay, I think I
think we need.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To stop talking about this now. And so I respected
that and stopped talking about it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So then the Thursday and Friday after Rene Good was killed,
schools were canceled across the city because it just wasn't safe.
I stayed home with Aggi and some of his friends
came over, and you know, throughout the day we would
be player, the kids would be playing, and they would
just they'd be fine, and then they would say, it's
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so sad, like this is so sad that I was
murdered somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
This is what Aggie's friends are saying.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, And I actually have a really clear memory that
day we were working with the hot Glugu and Julian
somehow cut his hand, and the concern that they all
just sort of rallied around him and were so worried
about his hand.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Julian, Yeah, he's like the mister tough guy.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And then there was this moment after I bandaged it
up that we all have never had a moment with
the boys like this where we all sort of like
hugged each other.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The boys went for this, they allowed this.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, And I do think it was just like this.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight,
you know that it just a lot us to have
this moment of coming together.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I mean everything is completely overwhelming, but you still have
to eat, you still have to walk the dog, and
you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I
was laying in bed and Aggie came in wearing a
captain's hat and a suit jacket and started wrapping about yachts.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yas I want for my birthday. Yah, I can get it.
Cookie Vaca yachts.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You're really right, Yes, it was all about going on
yachts and having cookie vacs.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I have a cookie vaca right now.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I wanted from my birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yats.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
You don't need to do back yachts Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
This is Tuesday, the thirteenth, less than a week since
Renee Good had been killed once again. I had dropped
Aggie off at school and I was driving home and
suddenly all these vehicles start swarming around my car and
I'm a little bit boxed in, and then I started
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hearing the whistles, and so I decide to get out.
There's ice agents all over. They're going up to an
apartment building yelling you got to open up the door,
and you know, the crowd is slowly growing, but pretty quiet.
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And then they come out of the apartment building and
they have two guys who to me looked like children,
early twenties.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At the oldest. But I'd be surprised if it was
even that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
One of them is wearing a T shirt and shorts,
even though it's you know, it's very cold outside.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean it's so cold.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's the kind of cold that you know, you take
your gloves off for a few seconds and your fingers
just really hurt, Like it is hard to be outside
in this weather.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And when we see the kids, we just
start screaming.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Shame on you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm a mom, you know, like, shame on you is
the words that come to mind, and we're yelling, you know,
their kids and sorry, this is gonna be the hardest
part for me. So everything else I should just say. First,
like everything escalated very quickly. It just becomes chaos where
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ice agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them,
you know, they have them down on the ground. I
can't even describe the feeling where like literally three feet
from me, I see a man, like just a Minneapolis
guy on the ground and an agent just pepper spring
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him straight in the face from three inches away, And
I mean every part of you just wants to run
and just like tackle that guy, but you know you can't,
and so you just yell.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Because what else do you do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You just feel so powerless.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So I'm standing on the corner and they're trying to
get this car to go. This woman in a car
and there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was
just chaos, and they're screaming at her. There's like fifteen agents,
you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Window.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The car then help them window. All of a sudden,
they break her passenger side window. Then they go around
to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car,
and she's screaming. And then they've just got her by
all fours and start carrying her away. And then I
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see that they have a white haired man that they
are carrying by all fours, and they open the back
door of a black suv and literally like stuff him in.
That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry,
So they stuff him into the vehicle. And then.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And then the first I just hear.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
A bunch of like pa pa pa, pa, pa pa pa,
and I figure out that these are I guess what
are flash bangs, And smoke just starts to pour out,
and then it hits hits your throat first, and it
starts to burn and you're starting to cough and you're like, oh,
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that's strong. And then it hits your face, the skin
on your face, and then your eyes eyes start to burn,
and for a second you're like, oh, this hurts, but
it's okay. And then each second that passes, you're just like, oh,
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it's not okay.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh it's really not okay. And then you're just like.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Fucked.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And then I just can't really move I'm doubled over
and I grabbed a fist full of snow to put
on my eyes, and I can't see in anyway. And
then I just feel like a hand reach out for
me and grabs my hand and they start to just
guide me way out of the gas. And then there's
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a guy there wearing a bandanna and he says, this
is my house. This is my house. It's the most
Minnesotan thing of all time. We walk in the house.
None of us can even see really, and he says, I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Sorry it's so messy, and.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's much better.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I had a bottle of water and we're pouring it
over my eyes.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You very much.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Or the hospitality.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You know, there's that famous mister Rogers saying that when
trouble strikes, look for the helpers. And that's what I've
always used with ho you look for the helpers. But
you know Renee Good was a helper and Alex Preddie
was a helper.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Like they're murdering the.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Helpers coming up. After being shot in the leg by
an ice agent, Julio Cesar Sosa Salis became national news.
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Since then, his family has been forced into hiding after the.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Break, I pay them a visit.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
One week after Renee Good and a week and three
days before Ali x Preddi, another person in Minneapolis was
shot by ICE agents. He was at his home when
it happened. He was shot in the leg, It wasn't fatal,
and the incident didn't get as much media attention. The
man's name was Julio Cesar Sosa Celis. He was Venezuelan,
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and he had no criminal record. There are different accounts
of what happened that night, but in a nutshell, the
federal government claims Julio had been targeted for arrest, that
he fled during a car chase, and that when he
was caught, he was shot by an ICE agent in
self defense. The FBI says otherwise. Their investigation determined that
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Ice wasn't looking for Julio at all and that he
was not a part of any chase. Julio's roommate was
mistaken for someone else while driving, and he got into
a car chase with Ice. The roommate led the agents
back to the house he and Julio shared with their
partners and their babies. Eye witnesses say the shooting wasn't
self defense, that the men were fleeing into the house
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when shots were fired. At the end of the night,
Julio and his partner Indriani were arrested. But the story
I want to tell isn't about the shooting itself. I
want to tell the story of the family Julio and
Indiani left behind, what their life was like before that night,
and what it's been like ever since. So far, Julio
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and Indriani's family in Minnesota haven't spoken with any journalists.
But it turns out I have a connection to Indiani's mom, Ejumilis.
It was a very tenuous connection through friends of friends,
but it was enough for me to be trusted, and
so one cold night, a week after the shooting, I
text Jamilis my photo so she could identify me through
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the front doors small window, and I go over to
talk Hi.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Since Julio and Indiani have been incarcerated, Eumilis has been
taking care of their three year old son. Her grandson,
Emilis has been in the US since twenty twenty three.
With the shooting, she fears that she and her family
have become targets, even more so targets of ice, so
she doesn't leave the house, not the grocery shop, not
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to go to work. She keeps the blinds drawn, the
lights outside off. She says, she prays that God will
just make her house invisible.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yes, Jamila's.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yes, Yes, I'm with my interpreter, Eric, who's not really
an interpreter but my former officemate who works as an
immigration lawyer. The house is full of life, four kids
of her own, ages nine through fourteen, and her three
year old grandson, Julio, and Indriani's son. Once inside, one
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of the kids locks the door behind us. Since the shooting,
even though her children have opened asylum cases and social
security numbers, Emilis has kept them all home from school.
Her fourteen year old Alejandra attends class over video. I
ask her for teachers know why she hasn't been in class.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, but I like, I didn't tell Oh my teachers,
so my greats are going down. Oh so I'm scared
about that too.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
I really want to go to school again, but my
mom's like, you need to stay here cause though Ice
can't take you and things like that, you know, But
I really when I go to school.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Again, yea MEI.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Lisa's ten year old son Javier, walks over.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't ask a question.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
He has a question he wants to ask me.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Yes, did you know when the ice thing's gonna don't?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, I wish I knew.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I'm so sorry. As her partner Danielle makes himself dinner
and the kids come and go from the living room.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Elise tells me about her life before all of this,
why she left Venezuela for the United States.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
In the first.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Places, we were living hidden mineot.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
My fear of returning is really strong.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
When I ask why that is, Jamlis just says political
persecution and leaves it at that. Her daughter Indriani had
already migrated to the US and made a home for
herself and her son in Minnesota. Jemilie really missed them.
To see them again, she and her family embarked on
a difficult journey, mostly done on foot. She and her
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partner Danielle told four little kids across South and Central
America and through Mexico.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
We didn't have phone, we didn't have money, Monea, I
had some coins kaminamo for domess.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
We walked for two months la cage, sleeping in the.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Street, comiendo, eating what people would give us Kaminamomucho walked
a lotes.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But always happy with a lot of faith in in being.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Able to once again see my daughter and my grandson.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
On the way from Colombia to Panama, they passed through
the incredibly dangerous rainforest known as the Darian.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Gap, where a lot of people have died.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
The Darien Gap is a roughly sixty mile stretch of rainforest.
It's the only gap in the Pan American Highway. No road,
not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with
strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police.
Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of
all the places they traveled through, Yemalis says, the parts
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of Mexico controlled by the carte Owls were the scariest.
She describes how, while trying to avoid the immigration authorities,
her family escaped into the forest.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeah, I rang trappers on Mar Salon del Monte.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
The three armed men came kind of out of the trees.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
And ede is a momento.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They said, nothing's gonna happen. Give us your money, lefono,
give us your phones.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
The left for nothing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
I said, I don't have money. Or phone.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Emily's gestures towards her twelve year old daughter, who's sitting
on the couch Joros.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
She cried because she saw the guns, maybe hero, and
they said she better be quiet or will kill her.
Me An my son he was curious about the guns,
and they said, if he looks at me again, I'm
gonna kill him.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
No, the noo.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
They took all our clothes off, looking forward to see
if we had hidden money.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
When they didn't find anything, they let them go. Emilis
and Danielle had heard about a train that carried migrants
from Mexico City to the American border. The train was
referred to as le Bestia the Beast. It's also been
called the Train of Death. Passengers ride on top of
freight cars. Loss of limbs, maimings, even death occur as
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people try to board the moving train. The family was
told by other migrant travelers where to wait for the train.
They waited and waited.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Bienel train grandisio.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
Then comes this big train. It everyone starts cheering the
train in the.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Train correria correria, corre pers solas and I saw a.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Lot of people start running and running and running, and Perro.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Josi momento the tar.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
And I said to God that in that moment, God,
if it's your will for us to get on this train,
let it stop.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Okay, and train the train moving.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I could get on, and my husband could get on,
but the kids no have to jump on clearly, and
I couldn't jump and grab onto the train with holding
two of my children and him holding.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
The other to.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
And if I felt that the train could kill me.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
When the train came to a full stop, yamils took
it as.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
A sign there was a ladder, so we won't.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
We climbed up very quick and we passed five days
on the train on top of the train like that.
When we went through towns or villages, people would throw
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us food.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Or cookies or ok for a moment.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Because we couldn't get down, because if we got down,
the train could leave and we'd be stuck.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Is a train no mole Maxico.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
That train moved us through half of Mexico.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And the kids, how were they?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Yeah, we we tied them on. We tied the children down.
One just has to say I'm going and I'm moving.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Forward through the cold at night and the heat during
the day. Emilies and her partners stayed awake holding on
to the children. Falling asleep meant running the risk of
being shoved from the train or simply falling, which could
mean instant death. So for five days she hung on
no bad room, just a pot, no proper food, just
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what they could catch, and no sleep. In this way
Jamilies spent her birthday, she was turning thirty four years old.
The train finally stopped in Juarez.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
People had been killed, children had been taken, people had
had their stuff stolen. See this, and I thank God
that we were people that were very blessed.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
A man who saw the family get off the train
offered to buy them food. Other people gave them drinks.
Another man even gave them money. They all ate and finally,
walking distance from the US border, they slept. In the morning,
US Immigration admitted Yamilies and the children into the US.
They spent the night in a border patrol tent and
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were given paperwork to start the asylum process. Eventually, they
were placed on a bus to Chicago. Emilis's daughter Into
then came to greet her. It was Eamilis's first time
seeing her daughter in a year and a half. Ran
to each other and hugged and I grabbed my grandson. Together,
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they traveled back to Indiani's new home in Minnesota, where
the kids enrolled in school, and eventually Eumilis found work
cleaning houses and offices. Over the years, they settled in
and made a life for themselves. After the break, Eumilis
tells me about her second separation from her daughter and grandson.
The night of julio shooting, Jamilis was at work when
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she got her daughter's frantic video call. Inddiani was telling
her that Ice was at the.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Door, Condida gonsus jorando.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
She was hidden with her baby in her arms, crying,
my momo wangam and she was saying to me, mamma,
if they come in, they're going to kill us.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Teargas had been thrown through the window and so Yamilis's
daughter and grandson got on the ground. They were phoning
from under the bed.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I can show you the video. You can hear everything.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Jamils pulls out her phone. She had recorded the call,
and she shows me the video.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
You're going to kill us.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I asked where Julio and his roommate were while she
was on the phone with her daughter. Turns out they
were also on the phone.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
They were there, and they were talking to their mothers
and because in that moment they thought that they were
going to kill them mouth and they wanted to say
goodbye to each of their mother's.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Emily says that her daughter rightfully didn't open the door,
but I broke the door down. While she's telling this story,
the toddler runs in. He's bright eyed and wearing a
little football jersey.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Is this your grandson?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Hello?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Police took his mind looking, but I don't. He's talking
about how the bomb came through the window and they
shut his dad, Julio.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Candles.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
Grand's talking about the smell. It's smelled ugly smell. Did
it hurt your eyes?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I did, like the bustle, he.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Merely says. Her grandson keeps talking about that night. He
still has nightmares.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
He sleeps with.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Me, and I hear when he wakes up at night.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Mom, he's smaller.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
To flee political persecution from one country, the family underwent
a death defying journey to another country, only to be
persecuted by that new country's government. Could you ever have
imagined that it would get this bad, that it would
get like this?
Speaker 9 (29:56):
No, it's.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
A beautiful country, and it's four seasons. Hello cold, the heat,
I like the heat bar.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That first winter, Emilius wore gloves and hats indoors. Wherever
she went. She carried around a space heater that had
been gifted to her. But seeing how much the kids
enjoyed the snow the winter has grown on her.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
You may I feel good here. We came to work.
We came for the good of our children, truly, you guys,
And next summer are invited to eat at my house.
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If I'm here, We're gonna eat really well.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
On Tuesday, Julio appeared in court to counter the federal
government's narrative. Lawyers presented photographs showing a bullet hole through
the front door of Julio's house and a bullet hole
in one of the bedrooms between a mattress and a crib.
The judge ordered Julio's release who When Julio left the courthouse,
ice agents were waiting for him outside. He's now back
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in attention. Indviani was released last week. On the morning
she returned, her son was still sleeping when.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
She woke him.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
He didn't recognize her at first, but then he hugged
her now he doesn't want to leave her side. He's
afraid Ice will take her again. Jamilis still hasn't left
the house and her kids have yet to return to school.
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This episode was produced by Emily Condon and me Jonathan Goldstein,
as well as supervising producer Stevie Lane and Senior producer
Khalila Holt. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez Cruzado. My interpreter
at Yeami Lyssa's House was Eric Day. Editorial help from
Nadia Raymond. Special thanks to Melissa Redfield, Ben Nattaphaffrey, and
Daphne Chen. Sarah Bruguer mixed the episode with music by
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Emma Monger. Will be back in your feed in a
few weeks.
Pushkin. Hello, Hi, my wife, Hi, my husband. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm getting through?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, so you wanted to talk I did.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I feel like we haven't had much of a chance
to connect over the last couple of weeks because there's
been a lot going on here.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Here is Minneapolis, where I live, and the epicenter of
what the Trump administration is calling Operation Metro Surge. Since
it all began with the regular business of work, childcare
and running a household, Emily and I haven't really had
a chance to sit down and actually talk. I knew
she had a lot she wanted to tell me, so
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I asked her to start at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
On Wednesday, January seventh, I had dropped Aggie EF at school,
and I was driving down thirty six, which is a
one way.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
There were I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
If it was six or eight vehicles.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Coming directly toward me, going the wrong way down a
one way at full speed, and I really thought I
was going to have a head on collision. Then they
just suddenly stopped, and then a bunch of men started
running out of the cars and they were all masked
and all the vehicles were unmarked. My brain just wasn't
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connecting what was happening? And then I saw two women
running toward this scene with whistles, and then somewhere in
my head it clicked like, oh, this is an ice raid.
I didn't even know exactly what that meant, but I
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just felt so clearly like something wrong is happening, and
so I parked and I jumped out. I ran up
to the building and they were all pulling away the
woman who had a really little, like five pound dog.
One of the ice agents just swerved right at the dog,
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and I was really emotional because I was still had
a lot of adrenaline. I was pending on the one
when they almost hit Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the
women there hugged me and she just kept saying, no,
I know.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
I said, who do they think they are?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Who do they think they are?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Oh my gosh, it's just too much.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I mean that's when everything just like exploded.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I got home, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Had news on the background, and I saw that a
woman had been shot dead, and that turned out later
that this was Renee Good and she had just dropped
her kid off from school too. She was shot about
forty minutes after I had that encounter, about.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Four blocks away. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I went to the vigil that night. Okay, there were
a lot of people there. I think everybody there really
felt an obligation.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
While I was there, I got a text from Katie,
my sister, telling me that ice had showed up at
Theo's school. THEO is her fourteen year old nephew, and
that they had pepper sprayed a crowd of teachers and students.
So she texted me that and then wrote, I have
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no idea how to process this with my child?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Learn what ice was the thing?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
When did you learn that ice was a thing?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I don't do you remember now?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And Aggie?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, Aggie's nine, and so it's that's been one
of the really hard things here is to know what
do you tell your kid. I've been trying to talk
to him about it just as honestly as possible, with
trying to emphasize you know that he's safe. But even
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if he is safe, there's a lot of kids right
now around this city his age who aren't. And that's
how do you explain that?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You know, you told Aggie about Renee Good?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes, and what was that like?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I first told him that a woman had been shot
by ice. Then the next day, Julian came over and Eli,
Julian's dad said something to me about, oh, and you
encountered them that morning in front of Aggie.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And so then Aggi was like, wait, what you're head
right now?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I'm okay, Umber.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
You wouldn't have stopped if I was in the garden.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, no, And we talked about it for a couple
of minutes and then he said, okay, I think I
think we need.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To stop talking about this now. And so I respected
that and stopped talking about it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So then the Thursday and Friday after Rene Good was killed,
schools were canceled across the city because it just wasn't safe.
I stayed home with Aggi and some of his friends
came over, and you know, throughout the day we would
be player, the kids would be playing, and they would
just they'd be fine, and then they would say, it's
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so sad, like this is so sad that I was
murdered somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
This is what Aggie's friends are saying.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, And I actually have a really clear memory that
day we were working with the hot Glugu and Julian
somehow cut his hand, and the concern that they all
just sort of rallied around him and were so worried
about his hand.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Julian, Yeah, he's like the mister tough guy.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And then there was this moment after I bandaged it
up that we all have never had a moment with
the boys like this where we all sort of like
hugged each other.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The boys went for this, they allowed this.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, And I do think it was just like this.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight,
you know that it just a lot us to have
this moment of coming together.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I mean everything is completely overwhelming, but you still have
to eat, you still have to walk the dog, and
you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I
was laying in bed and Aggie came in wearing a
captain's hat and a suit jacket and started wrapping about yachts.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yas I want for my birthday. Yah, I can get it.
Cookie Vaca yachts.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You're really right, Yes, it was all about going on
yachts and having cookie vacs.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I have a cookie vaca right now.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I wanted from my birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yats.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
You don't need to do back yachts Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
This is Tuesday, the thirteenth, less than a week since
Renee Good had been killed once again. I had dropped
Aggie off at school and I was driving home and
suddenly all these vehicles start swarming around my car and
I'm a little bit boxed in, and then I started
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hearing the whistles, and so I decide to get out.
There's ice agents all over. They're going up to an
apartment building yelling you got to open up the door,
and you know, the crowd is slowly growing, but pretty quiet.
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And then they come out of the apartment building and
they have two guys who to me looked like children,
early twenties.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At the oldest. But I'd be surprised if it was
even that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
One of them is wearing a T shirt and shorts,
even though it's you know, it's very cold outside.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean it's so cold.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's the kind of cold that you know, you take
your gloves off for a few seconds and your fingers
just really hurt, Like it is hard to be outside
in this weather.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And when we see the kids, we just
start screaming.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Shame on you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm a mom, you know, like, shame on you is
the words that come to mind, and we're yelling, you know,
their kids and sorry, this is gonna be the hardest
part for me. So everything else I should just say. First,
like everything escalated very quickly. It just becomes chaos where
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ice agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them,
you know, they have them down on the ground. I
can't even describe the feeling where like literally three feet
from me, I see a man, like just a Minneapolis
guy on the ground and an agent just pepper spring
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him straight in the face from three inches away, And
I mean every part of you just wants to run
and just like tackle that guy, but you know you can't,
and so you just yell.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Because what else do you do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You just feel so powerless.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So I'm standing on the corner and they're trying to
get this car to go. This woman in a car
and there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was
just chaos, and they're screaming at her. There's like fifteen agents,
you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Window.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The car then help them window. All of a sudden,
they break her passenger side window. Then they go around
to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car,
and she's screaming. And then they've just got her by
all fours and start carrying her away. And then I
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see that they have a white haired man that they
are carrying by all fours, and they open the back
door of a black suv and literally like stuff him in.
That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry,
So they stuff him into the vehicle. And then.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And then the first I just hear.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
A bunch of like pa pa pa, pa, pa pa pa,
and I figure out that these are I guess what
are flash bangs, And smoke just starts to pour out,
and then it hits hits your throat first, and it
starts to burn and you're starting to cough and you're like, oh,
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that's strong. And then it hits your face, the skin
on your face, and then your eyes eyes start to burn,
and for a second you're like, oh, this hurts, but
it's okay. And then each second that passes, you're just like, oh,
(12:41):
it's not okay.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh it's really not okay. And then you're just like.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Fucked.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And then I just can't really move I'm doubled over
and I grabbed a fist full of snow to put
on my eyes, and I can't see in anyway. And
then I just feel like a hand reach out for
me and grabs my hand and they start to just
guide me way out of the gas. And then there's
(13:13):
a guy there wearing a bandanna and he says, this
is my house. This is my house. It's the most
Minnesotan thing of all time. We walk in the house.
None of us can even see really, and he says, I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Sorry it's so messy, and.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's much better.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I had a bottle of water and we're pouring it
over my eyes.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You very much.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Or the hospitality.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You know, there's that famous mister Rogers saying that when
trouble strikes, look for the helpers. And that's what I've
always used with ho you look for the helpers. But
you know Renee Good was a helper and Alex Preddie
was a helper.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Like they're murdering the.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Helpers coming up. After being shot in the leg by
an ice agent, Julio Cesar Sosa Salis became national news.
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Since then, his family has been forced into hiding after the.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Break, I pay them a visit.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
One week after Renee Good and a week and three
days before Ali x Preddi, another person in Minneapolis was
shot by ICE agents. He was at his home when
it happened. He was shot in the leg, It wasn't fatal,
and the incident didn't get as much media attention. The
man's name was Julio Cesar Sosa Celis. He was Venezuelan,
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and he had no criminal record. There are different accounts
of what happened that night, but in a nutshell, the
federal government claims Julio had been targeted for arrest, that
he fled during a car chase, and that when he
was caught, he was shot by an ICE agent in
self defense. The FBI says otherwise. Their investigation determined that
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Ice wasn't looking for Julio at all and that he
was not a part of any chase. Julio's roommate was
mistaken for someone else while driving, and he got into
a car chase with Ice. The roommate led the agents
back to the house he and Julio shared with their
partners and their babies. Eye witnesses say the shooting wasn't
self defense, that the men were fleeing into the house
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when shots were fired. At the end of the night,
Julio and his partner Indriani were arrested. But the story
I want to tell isn't about the shooting itself. I
want to tell the story of the family Julio and
Indiani left behind, what their life was like before that night,
and what it's been like ever since. So far, Julio
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and Indriani's family in Minnesota haven't spoken with any journalists.
But it turns out I have a connection to Indiani's mom, Ejumilis.
It was a very tenuous connection through friends of friends,
but it was enough for me to be trusted, and
so one cold night, a week after the shooting, I
text Jamilis my photo so she could identify me through
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the front doors small window, and I go over to
talk Hi.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Since Julio and Indiani have been incarcerated, Eumilis has been
taking care of their three year old son. Her grandson,
Emilis has been in the US since twenty twenty three.
With the shooting, she fears that she and her family
have become targets, even more so targets of ice, so
she doesn't leave the house, not the grocery shop, not
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to go to work. She keeps the blinds drawn, the
lights outside off. She says, she prays that God will
just make her house invisible.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yes, Jamila's.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yes, Yes, I'm with my interpreter, Eric, who's not really
an interpreter but my former officemate who works as an
immigration lawyer. The house is full of life, four kids
of her own, ages nine through fourteen, and her three
year old grandson, Julio, and Indriani's son. Once inside, one
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of the kids locks the door behind us. Since the shooting,
even though her children have opened asylum cases and social
security numbers, Emilis has kept them all home from school.
Her fourteen year old Alejandra attends class over video. I
ask her for teachers know why she hasn't been in class.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, but I like, I didn't tell Oh my teachers,
so my greats are going down. Oh so I'm scared
about that too.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
I really want to go to school again, but my
mom's like, you need to stay here cause though Ice
can't take you and things like that, you know, But
I really when I go to school.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Again, yea MEI.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Lisa's ten year old son Javier, walks over.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't ask a question.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
He has a question he wants to ask me.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Yes, did you know when the ice thing's gonna don't?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, I wish I knew.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I'm so sorry. As her partner Danielle makes himself dinner
and the kids come and go from the living room.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Elise tells me about her life before all of this,
why she left Venezuela for the United States.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
In the first.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Places, we were living hidden mineot.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
My fear of returning is really strong.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
When I ask why that is, Jamlis just says political
persecution and leaves it at that. Her daughter Indriani had
already migrated to the US and made a home for
herself and her son in Minnesota. Jemilie really missed them.
To see them again, she and her family embarked on
a difficult journey, mostly done on foot. She and her
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partner Danielle told four little kids across South and Central
America and through Mexico.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
We didn't have phone, we didn't have money, Monea, I
had some coins kaminamo for domess.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
We walked for two months la cage, sleeping in the.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Street, comiendo, eating what people would give us Kaminamomucho walked
a lotes.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But always happy with a lot of faith in in being.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Able to once again see my daughter and my grandson.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
On the way from Colombia to Panama, they passed through
the incredibly dangerous rainforest known as the Darian.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Gap, where a lot of people have died.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
The Darien Gap is a roughly sixty mile stretch of rainforest.
It's the only gap in the Pan American Highway. No road,
not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with
strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police.
Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of
all the places they traveled through, Yemalis says, the parts
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of Mexico controlled by the carte Owls were the scariest.
She describes how, while trying to avoid the immigration authorities,
her family escaped into the forest.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeah, I rang trappers on Mar Salon del Monte.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
The three armed men came kind of out of the trees.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
And ede is a momento.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They said, nothing's gonna happen. Give us your money, lefono,
give us your phones.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
The left for nothing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
I said, I don't have money. Or phone.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Emily's gestures towards her twelve year old daughter, who's sitting
on the couch Joros.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
She cried because she saw the guns, maybe hero, and
they said she better be quiet or will kill her.
Me An my son he was curious about the guns,
and they said, if he looks at me again, I'm
gonna kill him.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
No, the noo.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
They took all our clothes off, looking forward to see
if we had hidden money.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
When they didn't find anything, they let them go. Emilis
and Danielle had heard about a train that carried migrants
from Mexico City to the American border. The train was
referred to as le Bestia the Beast. It's also been
called the Train of Death. Passengers ride on top of
freight cars. Loss of limbs, maimings, even death occur as
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people try to board the moving train. The family was
told by other migrant travelers where to wait for the train.
They waited and waited.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Bienel train grandisio.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
Then comes this big train. It everyone starts cheering the
train in the.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Train correria correria, corre pers solas and I saw a.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Lot of people start running and running and running, and Perro.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Josi momento the tar.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
And I said to God that in that moment, God,
if it's your will for us to get on this train,
let it stop.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Okay, and train the train moving.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I could get on, and my husband could get on,
but the kids no have to jump on clearly, and
I couldn't jump and grab onto the train with holding
two of my children and him holding.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
The other to.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
And if I felt that the train could kill me.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
When the train came to a full stop, yamils took
it as.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
A sign there was a ladder, so we won't.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
We climbed up very quick and we passed five days
on the train on top of the train like that.
When we went through towns or villages, people would throw
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us food.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Or cookies or ok for a moment.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Because we couldn't get down, because if we got down,
the train could leave and we'd be stuck.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Is a train no mole Maxico.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
That train moved us through half of Mexico.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And the kids, how were they?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Yeah, we we tied them on. We tied the children down.
One just has to say I'm going and I'm moving.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Forward through the cold at night and the heat during
the day. Emilies and her partners stayed awake holding on
to the children. Falling asleep meant running the risk of
being shoved from the train or simply falling, which could
mean instant death. So for five days she hung on
no bad room, just a pot, no proper food, just
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what they could catch, and no sleep. In this way
Jamilies spent her birthday, she was turning thirty four years old.
The train finally stopped in Juarez.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
People had been killed, children had been taken, people had
had their stuff stolen. See this, and I thank God
that we were people that were very blessed.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
A man who saw the family get off the train
offered to buy them food. Other people gave them drinks.
Another man even gave them money. They all ate and finally,
walking distance from the US border, they slept. In the morning,
US Immigration admitted Yamilies and the children into the US.
They spent the night in a border patrol tent and
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were given paperwork to start the asylum process. Eventually, they
were placed on a bus to Chicago. Emilis's daughter Into
then came to greet her. It was Eamilis's first time
seeing her daughter in a year and a half. Ran
to each other and hugged and I grabbed my grandson. Together,
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they traveled back to Indiani's new home in Minnesota, where
the kids enrolled in school, and eventually Eumilis found work
cleaning houses and offices. Over the years, they settled in
and made a life for themselves. After the break, Eumilis
tells me about her second separation from her daughter and grandson.
The night of julio shooting, Jamilis was at work when
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she got her daughter's frantic video call. Inddiani was telling
her that Ice was at the.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Door, Condida gonsus jorando.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
She was hidden with her baby in her arms, crying,
my momo wangam and she was saying to me, mamma,
if they come in, they're going to kill us.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Teargas had been thrown through the window and so Yamilis's
daughter and grandson got on the ground. They were phoning
from under the bed.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I can show you the video. You can hear everything.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Jamils pulls out her phone. She had recorded the call,
and she shows me the video.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
You're going to kill us.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I asked where Julio and his roommate were while she
was on the phone with her daughter. Turns out they
were also on the phone.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
They were there, and they were talking to their mothers
and because in that moment they thought that they were
going to kill them mouth and they wanted to say
goodbye to each of their mother's.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Emily says that her daughter rightfully didn't open the door,
but I broke the door down. While she's telling this story,
the toddler runs in. He's bright eyed and wearing a
little football jersey.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Is this your grandson?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Hello?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Police took his mind looking, but I don't. He's talking
about how the bomb came through the window and they
shut his dad, Julio.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Candles.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
Grand's talking about the smell. It's smelled ugly smell. Did
it hurt your eyes?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I did, like the bustle, he.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Merely says. Her grandson keeps talking about that night. He
still has nightmares.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
He sleeps with.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Me, and I hear when he wakes up at night.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Mom, he's smaller.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
To flee political persecution from one country, the family underwent
a death defying journey to another country, only to be
persecuted by that new country's government. Could you ever have
imagined that it would get this bad, that it would
get like this?
Speaker 9 (29:56):
No, it's.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
A beautiful country, and it's four seasons. Hello cold, the heat,
I like the heat bar.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That first winter, Emilius wore gloves and hats indoors. Wherever
she went. She carried around a space heater that had
been gifted to her. But seeing how much the kids
enjoyed the snow the winter has grown on her.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
You may I feel good here. We came to work.
We came for the good of our children, truly, you guys,
And next summer are invited to eat at my house.
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If I'm here, We're gonna eat really well.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
On Tuesday, Julio appeared in court to counter the federal
government's narrative. Lawyers presented photographs showing a bullet hole through
the front door of Julio's house and a bullet hole
in one of the bedrooms between a mattress and a crib.
The judge ordered Julio's release who When Julio left the courthouse,
ice agents were waiting for him outside. He's now back
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in attention. Indviani was released last week. On the morning
she returned, her son was still sleeping when.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
She woke him.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
He didn't recognize her at first, but then he hugged
her now he doesn't want to leave her side. He's
afraid Ice will take her again. Jamilis still hasn't left
the house and her kids have yet to return to school.
(32:05):
This episode was produced by Emily Condon and me Jonathan Goldstein,
as well as supervising producer Stevie Lane and Senior producer
Khalila Holt. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez Cruzado. My interpreter
at Yeami Lyssa's House was Eric Day. Editorial help from
Nadia Raymond. Special thanks to Melissa Redfield, Ben Nattaphaffrey, and
Daphne Chen. Sarah Bruguer mixed the episode with music by
(32:28):
Emma Monger. Will be back in your feed in a
few weeks.
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