May 24, 2024 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look at Google’s ‘Find my Device’ trackers AND “Social Media Etiquette,” the 2024 edition on ‘Tech Thursday’ with regular guest contributor; (author, podcast host, and technology pundit) Marsha Collier…PLUS – Thoughts on the Department of Justice working with 30 states to break up the Live Nation/Ticketmaster “monopoly” AND TikTok’s global layoff plans - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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You're listening to Later with Moe Kellyon Demand from KFI AM six forty.
Joining me in studio is Marsha Collier. In this Tech Thursday segment, Marsha
is good to see. How areyou this evening? Good to see you,
Mo. And you know, inthe never ending bit of facts about
Marcia, you were talking about baseball. Yes we were, and I was
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a huge fan of Dodger Blue baseball. You were working with the Dodgers,
weren't you for some time. Iwas general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers
Dodger Blue newspaper. So all youfolks who subscribed to that and got it
at home, go open one upif you saved them. I'm on the
masthead. I loved it. Itwas great. Those were the great days
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of baseball, and not the baseballisn't great today, but like this was
when the ol' malley family still whenthe O'Malley family still owned it, and
when we went to spring training,they'd have green bases for Saint Patrick's day
in Green Caps. It was afamily. Everybody was family. Then.
Oh, so you went down toVero Beach, Yeah, because they don't
go to Vero Beach anymore. Right, you don't have to point out the
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years. No, I'm gonna sayI'm a baseball fan. I'm a Dodgers
fan. So there, I you'remake you mention of a time, unfortunately,
which is no longer existence. Ieven have a black bat from the
year they won the World Series.The World Series black bats that are given
to the players. Yeah, Igot one of those. Ship I know
what year that was. Yeah,okay, As we were talking about non
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baseball. In the world of tech, there has been this product that Apple
users have had and raved about formany years called tile. Well, no,
it's an air tag I'm sorry,excuse me. Air tag where they
can place it in, in oron just about anything and it will track
its location with a fair degree ofaccuracy. But there is no Android equivalent.
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Well, I have an AirTag inmy purse right now. I don't
know why I carry it, Ijust do. But yes, there is
now Android equivalents. Have you noticed, because I know you have an updated
pixel, have you noticed that yougot a question for Google if you wanted
to join the Find my Device network? Yes? I did get that question.
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Okay, So here's the deal onthat. It uses now different than
the Apple air tag. This usesthe Bluetooth on your phone. You'll be
able to locate devices that are attachedto the network that you put input on
your phone up to five or sixhours after the battery has died. It's
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much more improved. And let's faceit, how many billions of Android people
are there that versus I mean,my phones are very strong, you know.
But the best part about it thatI like is they have like business
card size versions instead of the there'slittle round ball things so that they can
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fit in your wallet. You know, where's my wallet? You just tap
your phone find your wallet. Letme ask you this because I have to
find my device app and also youcan do it via web browser and I've
used that for example, I can'tfind my phone, it's somewhere in the
house. Don't use it, andI go to find my device. Yeah,
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and it will ring your phone andthen you can go find it,
right And I've had to even erasea phone that I lost. You can
do that remotely. I've done that. I've found that to be very very
useful. I use it all thetime. So this is supposed to be
much better than that, am Icorrect? Well, this is a find
your device network, and the networkwill use the phones of all the other
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Android users in the area of thedevice, or the piece of luggage or
the wallet, or your keys orsomething you've left in the bathroom at the
ballpark, you know, some aslong as it has one of these devices
attached to it. And they havelittle square ones, and they have the
business card ones, which I reallylike, you know, for briefcases and
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stuff like that. The manufacturers areChipolo on I'm probably pronouncing it right,
chi Polo, and Pebbleby. They'restarting to ship on the twenty seventh of
this month, which says to methat this is going to be an action
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really soon. Chipolo is shipping preorders now May twenty seventh, most people
will have to wait for June.I'm going to go to their website so
I can see the different colors,because the ones I just saw were in
black. Do we know the pricepoint? It's about the same, It's
a little cheaper. Okay. Thisis always my concern, and wonder if
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I had one of those. Iwonder, do you have to keep my
location on? You said Bluetooth,but I don't like having my location.
I think you have to talk onebecause it burns my battery. And two,
I still worry about degrees of privacy. You know, I don't mind
if it knows the general location andwhere I am, but I don't need
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it pinpointing me all the time.That's that's just my personal hang up.
Well, unfortunately, location and Bluetooth, because how can they point out location?
So I know you're just making alot of sense. It just it's
one of those things where I don'thave my Bluetooth and location on all the
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time. I use my location whenI'm using GPS. I'll have my Bluetooth
on if I'm in the car andI'm running my phone through my stereo system.
I agree, I agree, that'sit. I'm with you. But
if you want it to work,this is the deal. Now, I've
started keeping my location on, I'vestarted keeping my Bluetooth on because I want
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to see what happens. And Ihave another phone that i'm on the Android
fifteen beta with, so I'm goingto see how it works differently or how
it works. Can I ask youreal quick about Android fifteen. Is it
an incremental upgrade or is it substantial? Everything they're doing on Android right now,
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I mean it is so exciting.Like I told you, you can
make audio to emoji when you're makinga phone call now on Android, you
just push the button. I can'tshow you because we're not on the phone,
and you can get applause, youcan get cheering, you can get
all just like a radio show onyour phone, exactly exactly, and it
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just makes it a little more fun. And I'm going to have to call
you because I have nobody to doit with, so I do it with
my editor. But just a realquick before we break. Another brand called
Ufie Eufy is also coming out withtrackers and they are much cheaper. Their
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smart track card is nineteen ninety nineand they excuse me, yeah, nineteen
ninety nine, and the smart tracklink costs also nineteen ninety nine and is
regularly discounted at fifteen ninety nine,so that's cheaper. Let me make another
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comparison to air tags. We heardthe horror stories of people misusing air tags,
putting them on a person, puttingthem in someone's car. Obviously the
person didn't turn on their personal locatorand the car didn't have a locator,
So how is this different or similarto the air tag? And that can
using it beyond the phone. Well, interestingly, one of the re since
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I have an AirTag in my purseis I want to be sure that my
android is telling me that it's onme, that it's traveling with me,
and it does. I will getall of a sudden, I'll open my
purse and I'll hear a little noise, And then sometimes I forget, what's
that noise in my purse, andI'll open my phone and it said,
you've gotten AirTag tracking you look around. Oh wow, Yeah, so yes,
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android does have that. All right, when we come back, let's
go a little bit deeper. Ikind of tease this conversation at the top
of the show talking about social mediaetiquette, and for me, it seems
kind of obvious that, if anything, we need more social media etiquette than
we do in our just our generalsociety needs more etiquette. Period. I
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am. That's how I was raised, and I tell people all the time
before we go to break that,Look, don't engage me in social media
or online or on my phone inthe way that you wouldn't in person.
Please don't do that. Yeah.Yeah, the anonymity that some people have,
but it's not it's gone past anonymity. It's gone bold, just bold,
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brash and nasty is the society welive in. Let's get into that
next. It's Later with mo Kelly. Marshall Collier joins me on studio.
Okay, if I am six fortyLive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, you're
listening to Later with mo Kelly ondemand from KFI AM six forty. Social
media etiquette, Marcia, I thinkyou'll understand this. When I was growing
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up, my father impressed upon mehow to comport myself. When a lady
comes in a room, you standup, offer your chair if need be.
That. It includes being on thebus anywhere when a lady comes in,
you stand up. When you callsomeone's house back in the day,
you always identified yourself first and saidHi, I'm Morris, I speak to
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so and so. Right, thatwas etiquette. And of course if you
put me down in front of aplate and all these forks and knives,
they just use them. How youdo it? And I've had formal training
because in four AH they would teach. My mother sent me to get etiquette.
Yeah, yeah, they did.And Tiffany had a book Etiquette for
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Teenagers, and an actual book thatyou could buy at Tiffany and it had
great lessons and I showed it tomy daughter too. But you know,
the world has really changed. Istill believe in etiquette on every space.
When there used to be people olderthan me, I used to call everybody
older than me miss or mister untilno to this day, my friends who
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I grew up with, if theirparents are still living, they're still mister
or missus so and so. Theyjust don't feel right calling them. And
if they called me Jerry, no, I won't Larson exactly exactly. And
I had to sit through a dinnerat someone's house where someone wore a baseball
cap through the entire dinner. Okay, etiquette demands you do not wear a
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hat indoors. You do not weara hat at a restaurant, and I
see it all the time. You'renot supposed to do it, And people
say, what's the big deal.It's rude, it's rude. It's rude.
It's rude. But we use thisto open a door to this conversation
social media etiquette. And I don'tknow about you, but I judge when
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it comes to people who are lackingin etiquette. For example, if I
see you in the supermarket and Ishould have to walk in front of you.
Let's say you're looking for something ona shelf and I have to walk
in front of you. I'm goingto say excuse me, because that's what
you're supposed to do, and thatcover that carries over to social I'd say
no problem instead of you're welcome.You know, thank you, You're welcome,
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not no problem. But what Okay, let's let's quit our rant right
now. Let me start first off, easy, easy stuff. Match your
post to the platform. Facebook isfor posting in groups, you know,
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life updates, little things that happento you. Instagram, although it's fallen
quickly, is for beautiful scenery andvibes and happy being on the ocean stream
of consciousness. That's it. TikTokis for strangers. You're putting your video
up there for a whole bunch ofnew people to see you. And that's
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pretty much LinkedIn. What drives mecrazy is when people want to have political
discussions and personal discussions on LinkedIn.No, that's for professional stuff. Well
see now people are writing long emotionalessays on LinkedIn. It's become an you
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haven't I don't go there. Thatoften anymore because people always want me to
like their stuff. But yeah,they have started posting stuff that just it's
also I'm finding a job for peopleseeing your resume, seeing who you are,
seeing who you are connected to,and if you're posting your work or
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work related stuff, I'm okay withthat, But I don't want to see
pictures of what you have to eatexactly. And let me here's another thing
that really upsets me. Only postwhat's yours to share. It's you know,
the same thing is in life.Don't gossip. If somebody else has
a story, it's theirs to tell. If you had a picture of somebody,
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ask may I post this picture ofyou? Absolutely? Never ever take
a picture. I mean I've metmany celebrities and always ask may we take
a picture? Now? Just holdthe camera up in their face. None
of that. We would go tocomic Con and you'll see people dressed in
all sorts of costumes and everything,and that's not an invitation to take a
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picture. You asked, may Itake a picture of you? And also
may I take a picture of youand also post the picture exactly? There
are two parts to that. There'retwo parts to it. Is this picture
of My first selfie was with LionelRichie. Oh now you just now,
you just show it off? Ahnot long? Yeah, okay, don't
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overstep with influencers and celebrities. Youknow they share on social media, but
they're not receptacles for your emotions oryour your insanity. People don't need to
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hear all about your personal life,especially these people. Kathy Ireland, for
example, one of my favorite models. She wrote on the cover of one
of my books a comment for recommendingmy book. She's a dear sweet friend.
Look you okay, Kathy Ireland,if you're listening right now, we
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need you to come on later.With Mo Kelly because I followed her since
I was a kid, because shewas huge in nineteen eighty. Do you
know she has a newspaper throw contestwith Warren Buffett every year at the Berkshire
Hathaway Annual Meeting. I did notknow that. Yeah, yeah, because
she had a newspaper route when shewas a kid, and so did warn
not at the same time, obviouslyI did not know that though. Yep,
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okay, and fact check videos.Pictures that you take that you're going
to put down, be sure theycome from a reputable source. People don't
care about that, unfortunately, Butetiquette, no, no, I know,
I know, I know, andI can feel Mark Ronner shaking his
head in agreement. As far asfacts and you know, sources, Yeah,
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you see. And that's the thing. I write a book. I
believe that everything I say in thatbook is going to be true, and
I'll test it, and I haveit a second editor that goes over and
tests too to be sure I'm right. And it's okay these days to post
about politics. Just have a pointto your post, not the constant.
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I hate fill in black here memes. I mean it just it gets nasty
and disgusting. I don't like memesbecause they're shorthand and they're almost like forms
of syllogisms. The logic and themost memes do not hold up. They're
not fact checked most of them,or erroneous in nature. I just I
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can't stand memes. You know,And if you post about a problem,
you may not have an answer,but you might want some of your politicians
to know how you feel. Andthat's okay. Gavin Newson never answers me,
but I will say this, there'ssomeone from his status right who will
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see it. Yes, And youknow that's called a sentiment rating when we
work on marketing, because they domarketing on social media for people, whether
you have a positive or negative sentiment, for politicians, for celebrities, for
all different kinds of people, theydo measure that. So if you're going
to post to your congressman or yourgovernor or whoever, just be kogent,
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factful, and brief. I wouldsay respectful too, because we are talking
about etiquette, and if you wereto meet that elected official in person,
I would hope that you would havea modicum of respect in how you would
present your issue. Yeah, Iwould hope. We'll put it this way.
I'm not going to say anything aboutanyone because they're not going to answer
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you in real life if you're actinglike a jackass foot see. But it's
still incumbent upon me as far ashow I handle myself, how I present
myself. And I've criticized Metro,I've criticized Gavin Newsom, whom I criticized
Donald Trump, but I'm never goingto do it in an inhumane, disrespectful,
exactly way is exactly that's just notwho I am, exactly. It's
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not who either of us are andwe'd like to think that all the people
that we know and ladies and gentlemen, because you know what, they listen
to mister mo Kelly on Thursday nightsand I'm here and it makes me feel
so good to know you're out there. Marshall Collier is always great to see
you. And I love this topic. When you put down social media etiquette,
it's like, yes, that's thetype of conversation a few people are
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having, but I'm glad that weare having it here. Well, we'll
have more discussions on that, andlike how when you take pictures of your
kids and your family. We'll talkabout that in another week. Let's definitely
talk about that, the dos anddon'ts. Yep, I'll see you next
week. See you next week,Mo. You're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand from KFI AM sixfour. And you know, we love
talking about the business of music,talking about what's been going on with didity,
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the issues within the industry. Butright alongside that we can talk about
Ticketmaster. We've talked about how Ticketmasterhas had a strangle hold on concerts venues
ticket prices. We would remark howoutrageous some of these ticket prices have become.
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And that's saying nothing of how Ticketmasterhad implemented this dynamic pricing relative to
demand. If there's higher demand,higher price on a ticket, and you'd
have all these fees coming out ofnowhere, and Ticketmaster slash Live Nation was
the only game in town. Ifyou wanted to get a ticket to just
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about any venue in southern California LargeVine, you'd have to go through Live
Nation slash Ticketmaster. There was nowork around. There was no way that
you would be able to avoid goingthrough Ticketmaster unless you went through a reseller,
and that made it even more expensive. Well, the DOJ and thirty
other states have come together to filethis class action lawsuit against Live Nation Ticketmaster
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to break up this what they're callingmonopoly. In fact, here's Attorney General
Merrick Garland on this. But weare not here today because Live Nation ticket
Master's conduct is inconvenient or frustrating.We are here because, as we allege,
that conduct is anti competitive and illegal. Our complaint makes clear what happens
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when a monopolist dedicates its resources toentrenching its monopoly power and insulating itself from
competition, rather than investing in betterproducts and services. We alleged that Live
Nation has illegally monopolized markets across thelive industry in the United States for far
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too long. It is time tobreak it up. Live Nation Ticketmaster has
made itself ubiquitous in the live entertainmentindustry. It controls at least eighty percent
of primary ticketing at major concert venues, It directly manages more than four hundred
artists and controls more than sixty percentof concert promotions across the country, and
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it owns or controls more than sixtypercent of large amphitheaters in the United States.
We allege that to sustain this dominance, Live Nation relies on unlawful anti
competitive conduct to exercise its monopolistic controlover the live events industry in the United
States and over the fans, artists, independent promoters, and venues that power
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the industry. The result is thatfans pay more in fees, artists have
fewer opportunities to play concerts, smallerpromoters get squeezed out, and venues have
fewer real choices for ticketing services.As detailed in our complaint, Live Master,
Live Nation ticket Master locks out competitionand ticketing through the use of long
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term exclusive ticketing contracts with venues thatcan last over a decade, as well
as by acquiring venues themselves with exclusiveagreements that cover more than seventy percent of
concert ticket sales. At major concertvenues across the country, ticket Master can
impose a sing fees endless list offees on fans. Those include ticketing fees,
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service fees, convenience fees, platinumfees, price master fees, per
order fees, handling fees, andpayment processing fees, among others. For
fans in the United States, thisillegal conduct means high prices in other countries
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where venues are not bound by Ticketmastersexclusive ticketing contracts, venues often use multiple
ticketing companies for the same event andfancye lower fees and more innovative ticketing products.
As a result. When I workedin the music industry, I had
the luxury and privilege of not havingto buy tickets for anything. I didn't
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have to buy music. That wasjust part of the perks of working in
the business. Got to see anyoneand everyone that I wanted to see,
if it were someone on my labelthat I was working at the time,
or a friend's label. We alwaysmade tickets available for our colleagues in the
industry. I was pretty well insulatedfrom buying tickets for the most part,
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but I still had an idea ofwhat tickets were going for. They were
reasonable in the nineties and the earlytwo thousands, and then as Ticketmaster and
Live Nation consolidated its power their power, you realized that there was an exponential
growth in the prices of these tickets. The tours became bigger, more elaborate,
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but the hold that Ticketmaster had onthese venues was getting tighter and tighter.
You heard Attorney General Merrick Garland alludeto that, and it's something that
this was inevitable. Honestly, therewas no way that the business was going
to continue on at this trajectory whereLive Nation Ticketmaster would have the control over
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just about all the major venues andall the tickets available to those venues,
where you had to deal with onlythem, nobody else, only them,
and they were setting the ticket pricesand they were getting higher and higher and
higher. And you heard Merrick Garlandtalk about the fees. He was not
exaggerating at all. They had feesfor everything, and they could do it
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because there was no other game indI don't know how they're going to break
up this monopoly, but they're definitelygoing to break it up. And this
Live Nation Ticketmaster beast as we knowit is coming to an end. And
it's good for you, it's goodfor me. It's actually good for the
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artists as well when you have morecompetition in the market, and it will
be better long term for the wholeindustry. You're listening to later with Moe
Kelly on Demand from KFI AM sixforty. I think this is that moment.
This is that moment. Do youremember the moment when MySpace hit its
peak and jump the shark? Ican't tell you the exact day, but
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you kind of realized that my Spacewas not the ish anymore. Do you
remember when Facebook hit that you know, that zena at that point where it's
okay, it's not gonna get anybetter than this, and then people started
looking for something else and old folkslike me, we still play around on
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Facebook. Do you remember when Vinehit its peak and then it started to
taper off people moved to Instagram orSnapchat as it were. Every social media
platform has its moment in the sun, and then you can tell when people
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are starting to move on or justdo different things. I don't know if
I remember a social media platform aspopular as quickly, as fervently, as
so widespread as TikTok. It justwas. It was gangbusters. Everybody was
on TikTok, the whole idea ofthese short videos, people doing these stupid
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ass challenges or these dance challenges.And it transcended age groups. It was
young kids too much, older adults. It wasn't just one age demographic.
But I think right now, givensome of the issues that it's had in
the United States, and given thegeneral life cycle of social media platforms,
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TikTok may have just hit its zenithand now they're going to be on the
other side. I say that becauseTikTok is planning to lay off large swaths
of its operations and marketing workforce.Maybe their growth was connected, honestly to
the pandemic. We had more timewhen we were at home to just play
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on the net, play on TikTok, to do all the silly dance challenges
and what have you. And TikTokI believe thrived because of it. And
there's been a larger retraction and retrenchmentof social media the tech sector in recent
years. TikTok is no different.They're laying off thousands of people, and
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it's expected to hit teams that haduse of support in communications as well as
content and marketing. It sounds bad, sounds like a lot of people are
going to be losing their jobs.When I read this story, it says
it's unclear how many TikTok employees couldlose their jobs. Some have estimated more
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than a thousand people who work onthe affected teams. Some said it's closer
to two thousand. TikTok disclosed thatit had seven thousand employees in the United
States alone. I think when acompany is laying off people like this,
the numbers suggest that the pattern isnot moving in a good direction. They're
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not growing the user base, they'renot growing the number of people who were
downloading the app. And it doesn'tmean that because there's this ban air quotes
here in the United States, thatthat is having a worldwide impact. Remember,
more people use TikTok outside of theUnited States than in the United States.
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We're not as important as we wouldlike to make ourselves out to be
many times. But I think thisis that moment that TikTok has gone as
high as it's going to go,and maybe because people get bored and move
on, maybe because they want somethingdifferent. I remember when everybody was talking
about Snapchat, and I never reallygot into that. I remember when Instagram
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was so wow, oh my gosh, you can post all these photos and
videos. And Instagram is still hangingaround, but it's not what it once
was. And Facebook is Facebook.And I think Facebook has done so well
for so long because it does alittle bit of everything. You can post
photos, you can post videos,you can have longer formed discussions with friends
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and enemies, and political people whoare in agreement with you and people who
you hate politically. Facebook allows youto do a little bit of everything.
If you go to Instagram, it'snot conducive to having conversations. It's not
conducive to going back and forth withpeople or connecting with people. Facebook is
great for finding old friends, classmates, people you went to high school with
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in college. Instagram doesn't lend itselfto that. Snapchat never did. Each
social media platform has its place,Even Twitter slash x is not what it
was now. Of course, alot of that can be attributed to its
new dear leader Elon Musk and howhe's ravaged the place and people have left
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the platform, run from the platform. But that's the thing about social media.
You'll have your moment in the sunand it could be five to ten
years. Facebook has had a hellof a run, Instagram has had a
hell of a run. But eventuallypeople move on to the next thing.
I don't know what the next thingis going to be. You don't know
what the next thing is going tobe. If anyone knew what the next
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thing was going to be, theywould start investing in that right now.
And that's why you have these venturecapitalists who are always throwing money at what
they hope is going to be thenext thing. But if I were to
bet, and I'm not a gamber, but if I were to bet,
I think this is that moment whereyou're seeing the signs of some degree of
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erosion. And I'll say, we'rejust a contraction of TikTok, and they're
showing you all the signs. Politically, here in the United States, it's
running to issues financially, clearly,it's running into issues around the world.
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And we're out of the pandemic atleast in our day to day lives.
We're back in the workplace and we'renot spending as much time doing the TikTok
thing as we were two and threeyears ago, and TikTok is probably trying
to find its equilibrium in light ofthat. I think this is that moment
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where people might be starting to lookfor something else. I don't know what
that new app is going to be, but there will be one, and
we'll probably know about it in thenext year or so. And it doesn't
mean that TikTok is going anywhere.It just says that they're clearly slowing down
and not growing at the pace theyhad been growing in the past two three
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years or so. You're listening toLater with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
AM six forty
You're listening to Later with Moe Kellyon Demand from KFI AM six forty.
Joining me in studio is Marsha Collier. In this Tech Thursday segment, Marsha
is good to see. How areyou this evening? Good to see you,
Mo. And you know, inthe never ending bit of facts about
Marcia, you were talking about baseball. Yes we were, and I was
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a huge fan of Dodger Blue baseball. You were working with the Dodgers,
weren't you for some time. Iwas general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers
Dodger Blue newspaper. So all youfolks who subscribed to that and got it
at home, go open one upif you saved them. I'm on the
masthead. I loved it. Itwas great. Those were the great days
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of baseball, and not the baseballisn't great today, but like this was
when the ol' malley family still whenthe O'Malley family still owned it, and
when we went to spring training,they'd have green bases for Saint Patrick's day
in Green Caps. It was afamily. Everybody was family. Then.
Oh, so you went down toVero Beach, Yeah, because they don't
go to Vero Beach anymore. Right, you don't have to point out the
(01:10):
years. No, I'm gonna sayI'm a baseball fan. I'm a Dodgers
fan. So there, I you'remake you mention of a time, unfortunately,
which is no longer existence. Ieven have a black bat from the
year they won the World Series.The World Series black bats that are given
to the players. Yeah, Igot one of those. Ship I know
what year that was. Yeah,okay, As we were talking about non
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baseball. In the world of tech, there has been this product that Apple
users have had and raved about formany years called tile. Well, no,
it's an air tag I'm sorry,excuse me. Air tag where they
can place it in, in oron just about anything and it will track
its location with a fair degree ofaccuracy. But there is no Android equivalent.
(02:02):
Well, I have an AirTag inmy purse right now. I don't
know why I carry it, Ijust do. But yes, there is
now Android equivalents. Have you noticed, because I know you have an updated
pixel, have you noticed that yougot a question for Google if you wanted
to join the Find my Device network? Yes? I did get that question.
(02:24):
Okay, So here's the deal onthat. It uses now different than
the Apple air tag. This usesthe Bluetooth on your phone. You'll be
able to locate devices that are attachedto the network that you put input on
your phone up to five or sixhours after the battery has died. It's
(02:51):
much more improved. And let's faceit, how many billions of Android people
are there that versus I mean,my phones are very strong, you know.
But the best part about it thatI like is they have like business
card size versions instead of the there'slittle round ball things so that they can
(03:13):
fit in your wallet. You know, where's my wallet? You just tap
your phone find your wallet. Letme ask you this because I have to
find my device app and also youcan do it via web browser and I've
used that for example, I can'tfind my phone, it's somewhere in the
house. Don't use it, andI go to find my device. Yeah,
(03:35):
and it will ring your phone andthen you can go find it,
right And I've had to even erasea phone that I lost. You can
do that remotely. I've done that. I've found that to be very very
useful. I use it all thetime. So this is supposed to be
much better than that, am Icorrect? Well, this is a find
your device network, and the networkwill use the phones of all the other
(03:58):
Android users in the area of thedevice, or the piece of luggage or
the wallet, or your keys orsomething you've left in the bathroom at the
ballpark, you know, some aslong as it has one of these devices
attached to it. And they havelittle square ones, and they have the
business card ones, which I reallylike, you know, for briefcases and
(04:21):
stuff like that. The manufacturers areChipolo on I'm probably pronouncing it right,
chi Polo, and Pebbleby. They'restarting to ship on the twenty seventh of
this month, which says to methat this is going to be an action
(04:42):
really soon. Chipolo is shipping preorders now May twenty seventh, most people
will have to wait for June.I'm going to go to their website so
I can see the different colors,because the ones I just saw were in
black. Do we know the pricepoint? It's about the same, It's
a little cheaper. Okay. Thisis always my concern, and wonder if
(05:05):
I had one of those. Iwonder, do you have to keep my
location on? You said Bluetooth,but I don't like having my location.
I think you have to talk onebecause it burns my battery. And two,
I still worry about degrees of privacy. You know, I don't mind
if it knows the general location andwhere I am, but I don't need
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it pinpointing me all the time.That's that's just my personal hang up.
Well, unfortunately, location and Bluetooth, because how can they point out location?
So I know you're just making alot of sense. It just it's
one of those things where I don'thave my Bluetooth and location on all the
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time. I use my location whenI'm using GPS. I'll have my Bluetooth
on if I'm in the car andI'm running my phone through my stereo system.
I agree, I agree, that'sit. I'm with you. But
if you want it to work,this is the deal. Now, I've
started keeping my location on, I'vestarted keeping my Bluetooth on because I want
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to see what happens. And Ihave another phone that i'm on the Android
fifteen beta with, so I'm goingto see how it works differently or how
it works. Can I ask youreal quick about Android fifteen. Is it
an incremental upgrade or is it substantial? Everything they're doing on Android right now,
(06:32):
I mean it is so exciting.Like I told you, you can
make audio to emoji when you're makinga phone call now on Android, you
just push the button. I can'tshow you because we're not on the phone,
and you can get applause, youcan get cheering, you can get
all just like a radio show onyour phone, exactly exactly, and it
(06:56):
just makes it a little more fun. And I'm going to have to call
you because I have nobody to doit with, so I do it with
my editor. But just a realquick before we break. Another brand called
Ufie Eufy is also coming out withtrackers and they are much cheaper. Their
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smart track card is nineteen ninety nineand they excuse me, yeah, nineteen
ninety nine, and the smart tracklink costs also nineteen ninety nine and is
regularly discounted at fifteen ninety nine,so that's cheaper. Let me make another
(07:38):
comparison to air tags. We heardthe horror stories of people misusing air tags,
putting them on a person, puttingthem in someone's car. Obviously the
person didn't turn on their personal locatorand the car didn't have a locator,
So how is this different or similarto the air tag? And that can
using it beyond the phone. Well, interestingly, one of the re since
(08:00):
I have an AirTag in my purseis I want to be sure that my
android is telling me that it's onme, that it's traveling with me,
and it does. I will getall of a sudden, I'll open my
purse and I'll hear a little noise, And then sometimes I forget, what's
that noise in my purse, andI'll open my phone and it said,
you've gotten AirTag tracking you look around. Oh wow, Yeah, so yes,
(08:26):
android does have that. All right, when we come back, let's
go a little bit deeper. Ikind of tease this conversation at the top
of the show talking about social mediaetiquette, and for me, it seems
kind of obvious that, if anything, we need more social media etiquette than
we do in our just our generalsociety needs more etiquette. Period. I
(08:50):
am. That's how I was raised, and I tell people all the time
before we go to break that,Look, don't engage me in social media
or online or on my phone inthe way that you wouldn't in person.
Please don't do that. Yeah.Yeah, the anonymity that some people have,
but it's not it's gone past anonymity. It's gone bold, just bold,
(09:11):
brash and nasty is the society welive in. Let's get into that
next. It's Later with mo Kelly. Marshall Collier joins me on studio.
Okay, if I am six fortyLive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, you're
listening to Later with mo Kelly ondemand from KFI AM six forty. Social
media etiquette, Marcia, I thinkyou'll understand this. When I was growing
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up, my father impressed upon mehow to comport myself. When a lady
comes in a room, you standup, offer your chair if need be.
That. It includes being on thebus anywhere when a lady comes in,
you stand up. When you callsomeone's house back in the day,
you always identified yourself first and saidHi, I'm Morris, I speak to
(10:00):
so and so. Right, thatwas etiquette. And of course if you
put me down in front of aplate and all these forks and knives,
they just use them. How youdo it? And I've had formal training
because in four AH they would teach. My mother sent me to get etiquette.
Yeah, yeah, they did.And Tiffany had a book Etiquette for
(10:24):
Teenagers, and an actual book thatyou could buy at Tiffany and it had
great lessons and I showed it tomy daughter too. But you know,
the world has really changed. Istill believe in etiquette on every space.
When there used to be people olderthan me, I used to call everybody
older than me miss or mister untilno to this day, my friends who
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I grew up with, if theirparents are still living, they're still mister
or missus so and so. Theyjust don't feel right calling them. And
if they called me Jerry, no, I won't Larson exactly exactly. And
I had to sit through a dinnerat someone's house where someone wore a baseball
cap through the entire dinner. Okay, etiquette demands you do not wear a
(11:13):
hat indoors. You do not weara hat at a restaurant, and I
see it all the time. You'renot supposed to do it, And people
say, what's the big deal.It's rude, it's rude. It's rude.
It's rude. But we use thisto open a door to this conversation
social media etiquette. And I don'tknow about you, but I judge when
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it comes to people who are lackingin etiquette. For example, if I
see you in the supermarket and Ishould have to walk in front of you.
Let's say you're looking for something ona shelf and I have to walk
in front of you. I'm goingto say excuse me, because that's what
you're supposed to do, and thatcover that carries over to social I'd say
no problem instead of you're welcome.You know, thank you, You're welcome,
(12:01):
not no problem. But what Okay, let's let's quit our rant right
now. Let me start first off, easy, easy stuff. Match your
post to the platform. Facebook isfor posting in groups, you know,
(12:22):
life updates, little things that happento you. Instagram, although it's fallen
quickly, is for beautiful scenery andvibes and happy being on the ocean stream
of consciousness. That's it. TikTokis for strangers. You're putting your video
up there for a whole bunch ofnew people to see you. And that's
(12:43):
pretty much LinkedIn. What drives mecrazy is when people want to have political
discussions and personal discussions on LinkedIn.No, that's for professional stuff. Well
see now people are writing long emotionalessays on LinkedIn. It's become an you
(13:05):
haven't I don't go there. Thatoften anymore because people always want me to
like their stuff. But yeah,they have started posting stuff that just it's
also I'm finding a job for peopleseeing your resume, seeing who you are,
seeing who you are connected to,and if you're posting your work or
(13:26):
work related stuff, I'm okay withthat, But I don't want to see
pictures of what you have to eatexactly. And let me here's another thing
that really upsets me. Only postwhat's yours to share. It's you know,
the same thing is in life.Don't gossip. If somebody else has
a story, it's theirs to tell. If you had a picture of somebody,
(13:50):
ask may I post this picture ofyou? Absolutely? Never ever take
a picture. I mean I've metmany celebrities and always ask may we take
a picture? Now? Just holdthe camera up in their face. None
of that. We would go tocomic Con and you'll see people dressed in
all sorts of costumes and everything,and that's not an invitation to take a
(14:11):
picture. You asked, may Itake a picture of you? And also
may I take a picture of youand also post the picture exactly? There
are two parts to that. There'retwo parts to it. Is this picture
of My first selfie was with LionelRichie. Oh now you just now,
you just show it off? Ahnot long? Yeah, okay, don't
(14:31):
overstep with influencers and celebrities. Youknow they share on social media, but
they're not receptacles for your emotions oryour your insanity. People don't need to
(14:52):
hear all about your personal life,especially these people. Kathy Ireland, for
example, one of my favorite models. She wrote on the cover of one
of my books a comment for recommendingmy book. She's a dear sweet friend.
Look you okay, Kathy Ireland,if you're listening right now, we
(15:13):
need you to come on later.With Mo Kelly because I followed her since
I was a kid, because shewas huge in nineteen eighty. Do you
know she has a newspaper throw contestwith Warren Buffett every year at the Berkshire
Hathaway Annual Meeting. I did notknow that. Yeah, yeah, because
she had a newspaper route when shewas a kid, and so did warn
not at the same time, obviouslyI did not know that though. Yep,
(15:39):
okay, and fact check videos.Pictures that you take that you're going
to put down, be sure theycome from a reputable source. People don't
care about that, unfortunately, Butetiquette, no, no, I know,
I know, I know, andI can feel Mark Ronner shaking his
head in agreement. As far asfacts and you know, sources, Yeah,
(16:00):
you see. And that's the thing. I write a book. I
believe that everything I say in thatbook is going to be true, and
I'll test it, and I haveit a second editor that goes over and
tests too to be sure I'm right. And it's okay these days to post
about politics. Just have a pointto your post, not the constant.
(16:22):
I hate fill in black here memes. I mean it just it gets nasty
and disgusting. I don't like memesbecause they're shorthand and they're almost like forms
of syllogisms. The logic and themost memes do not hold up. They're
not fact checked most of them,or erroneous in nature. I just I
(16:45):
can't stand memes. You know,And if you post about a problem,
you may not have an answer,but you might want some of your politicians
to know how you feel. Andthat's okay. Gavin Newson never answers me,
but I will say this, there'ssomeone from his status right who will
(17:08):
see it. Yes, And youknow that's called a sentiment rating when we
work on marketing, because they domarketing on social media for people, whether
you have a positive or negative sentiment, for politicians, for celebrities, for
all different kinds of people, theydo measure that. So if you're going
to post to your congressman or yourgovernor or whoever, just be kogent,
(17:33):
factful, and brief. I wouldsay respectful too, because we are talking
about etiquette, and if you wereto meet that elected official in person,
I would hope that you would havea modicum of respect in how you would
present your issue. Yeah, Iwould hope. We'll put it this way.
I'm not going to say anything aboutanyone because they're not going to answer
(17:56):
you in real life if you're actinglike a jackass foot see. But it's
still incumbent upon me as far ashow I handle myself, how I present
myself. And I've criticized Metro,I've criticized Gavin Newsom, whom I criticized
Donald Trump, but I'm never goingto do it in an inhumane, disrespectful,
exactly way is exactly that's just notwho I am, exactly. It's
(18:17):
not who either of us are andwe'd like to think that all the people
that we know and ladies and gentlemen, because you know what, they listen
to mister mo Kelly on Thursday nightsand I'm here and it makes me feel
so good to know you're out there. Marshall Collier is always great to see
you. And I love this topic. When you put down social media etiquette,
it's like, yes, that's thetype of conversation a few people are
(18:41):
having, but I'm glad that weare having it here. Well, we'll
have more discussions on that, andlike how when you take pictures of your
kids and your family. We'll talkabout that in another week. Let's definitely
talk about that, the dos anddon'ts. Yep, I'll see you next
week. See you next week,Mo. You're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand from KFI AM sixfour. And you know, we love
talking about the business of music,talking about what's been going on with didity,
(19:06):
the issues within the industry. Butright alongside that we can talk about
Ticketmaster. We've talked about how Ticketmasterhas had a strangle hold on concerts venues
ticket prices. We would remark howoutrageous some of these ticket prices have become.
(19:26):
And that's saying nothing of how Ticketmasterhad implemented this dynamic pricing relative to
demand. If there's higher demand,higher price on a ticket, and you'd
have all these fees coming out ofnowhere, and Ticketmaster slash Live Nation was
the only game in town. Ifyou wanted to get a ticket to just
(19:49):
about any venue in southern California LargeVine, you'd have to go through Live
Nation slash Ticketmaster. There was nowork around. There was no way that
you would be able to avoid goingthrough Ticketmaster unless you went through a reseller,
and that made it even more expensive. Well, the DOJ and thirty
other states have come together to filethis class action lawsuit against Live Nation Ticketmaster
(20:18):
to break up this what they're callingmonopoly. In fact, here's Attorney General
Merrick Garland on this. But weare not here today because Live Nation ticket
Master's conduct is inconvenient or frustrating.We are here because, as we allege,
that conduct is anti competitive and illegal. Our complaint makes clear what happens
(20:42):
when a monopolist dedicates its resources toentrenching its monopoly power and insulating itself from
competition, rather than investing in betterproducts and services. We alleged that Live
Nation has illegally monopolized markets across thelive industry in the United States for far
(21:02):
too long. It is time tobreak it up. Live Nation Ticketmaster has
made itself ubiquitous in the live entertainmentindustry. It controls at least eighty percent
of primary ticketing at major concert venues, It directly manages more than four hundred
artists and controls more than sixty percentof concert promotions across the country, and
(21:26):
it owns or controls more than sixtypercent of large amphitheaters in the United States.
We allege that to sustain this dominance, Live Nation relies on unlawful anti
competitive conduct to exercise its monopolistic controlover the live events industry in the United
States and over the fans, artists, independent promoters, and venues that power
(21:52):
the industry. The result is thatfans pay more in fees, artists have
fewer opportunities to play concerts, smallerpromoters get squeezed out, and venues have
fewer real choices for ticketing services.As detailed in our complaint, Live Master,
Live Nation ticket Master locks out competitionand ticketing through the use of long
(22:17):
term exclusive ticketing contracts with venues thatcan last over a decade, as well
as by acquiring venues themselves with exclusiveagreements that cover more than seventy percent of
concert ticket sales. At major concertvenues across the country, ticket Master can
impose a sing fees endless list offees on fans. Those include ticketing fees,
(22:41):
service fees, convenience fees, platinumfees, price master fees, per
order fees, handling fees, andpayment processing fees, among others. For
fans in the United States, thisillegal conduct means high prices in other countries
(23:02):
where venues are not bound by Ticketmastersexclusive ticketing contracts, venues often use multiple
ticketing companies for the same event andfancye lower fees and more innovative ticketing products.
As a result. When I workedin the music industry, I had
the luxury and privilege of not havingto buy tickets for anything. I didn't
(23:22):
have to buy music. That wasjust part of the perks of working in
the business. Got to see anyoneand everyone that I wanted to see,
if it were someone on my labelthat I was working at the time,
or a friend's label. We alwaysmade tickets available for our colleagues in the
industry. I was pretty well insulatedfrom buying tickets for the most part,
(23:47):
but I still had an idea ofwhat tickets were going for. They were
reasonable in the nineties and the earlytwo thousands, and then as Ticketmaster and
Live Nation consolidated its power their power, you realized that there was an exponential
growth in the prices of these tickets. The tours became bigger, more elaborate,
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but the hold that Ticketmaster had onthese venues was getting tighter and tighter.
You heard Attorney General Merrick Garland alludeto that, and it's something that
this was inevitable. Honestly, therewas no way that the business was going
to continue on at this trajectory whereLive Nation Ticketmaster would have the control over
(24:33):
just about all the major venues andall the tickets available to those venues,
where you had to deal with onlythem, nobody else, only them,
and they were setting the ticket pricesand they were getting higher and higher and
higher. And you heard Merrick Garlandtalk about the fees. He was not
exaggerating at all. They had feesfor everything, and they could do it
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because there was no other game indI don't know how they're going to break
up this monopoly, but they're definitelygoing to break it up. And this
Live Nation Ticketmaster beast as we knowit is coming to an end. And
it's good for you, it's goodfor me. It's actually good for the
(25:17):
artists as well when you have morecompetition in the market, and it will
be better long term for the wholeindustry. You're listening to later with Moe
Kelly on Demand from KFI AM sixforty. I think this is that moment.
This is that moment. Do youremember the moment when MySpace hit its
peak and jump the shark? Ican't tell you the exact day, but
(25:42):
you kind of realized that my Spacewas not the ish anymore. Do you
remember when Facebook hit that you know, that zena at that point where it's
okay, it's not gonna get anybetter than this, and then people started
looking for something else and old folkslike me, we still play around on
(26:03):
Facebook. Do you remember when Vinehit its peak and then it started to
taper off people moved to Instagram orSnapchat as it were. Every social media
platform has its moment in the sun, and then you can tell when people
(26:25):
are starting to move on or justdo different things. I don't know if
I remember a social media platform aspopular as quickly, as fervently, as
so widespread as TikTok. It justwas. It was gangbusters. Everybody was
on TikTok, the whole idea ofthese short videos, people doing these stupid
(26:48):
ass challenges or these dance challenges.And it transcended age groups. It was
young kids too much, older adults. It wasn't just one age demographic.
But I think right now, givensome of the issues that it's had in
the United States, and given thegeneral life cycle of social media platforms,
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TikTok may have just hit its zenithand now they're going to be on the
other side. I say that becauseTikTok is planning to lay off large swaths
of its operations and marketing workforce.Maybe their growth was connected, honestly to
the pandemic. We had more timewhen we were at home to just play
(27:36):
on the net, play on TikTok, to do all the silly dance challenges
and what have you. And TikTokI believe thrived because of it. And
there's been a larger retraction and retrenchmentof social media the tech sector in recent
years. TikTok is no different.They're laying off thousands of people, and
(27:57):
it's expected to hit teams that haduse of support in communications as well as
content and marketing. It sounds bad, sounds like a lot of people are
going to be losing their jobs.When I read this story, it says
it's unclear how many TikTok employees couldlose their jobs. Some have estimated more
(28:18):
than a thousand people who work onthe affected teams. Some said it's closer
to two thousand. TikTok disclosed thatit had seven thousand employees in the United
States alone. I think when acompany is laying off people like this,
the numbers suggest that the pattern isnot moving in a good direction. They're
(28:42):
not growing the user base, they'renot growing the number of people who were
downloading the app. And it doesn'tmean that because there's this ban air quotes
here in the United States, thatthat is having a worldwide impact. Remember,
more people use TikTok outside of theUnited States than in the United States.
(29:03):
We're not as important as we wouldlike to make ourselves out to be
many times. But I think thisis that moment that TikTok has gone as
high as it's going to go,and maybe because people get bored and move
on, maybe because they want somethingdifferent. I remember when everybody was talking
about Snapchat, and I never reallygot into that. I remember when Instagram
(29:26):
was so wow, oh my gosh, you can post all these photos and
videos. And Instagram is still hangingaround, but it's not what it once
was. And Facebook is Facebook.And I think Facebook has done so well
for so long because it does alittle bit of everything. You can post
photos, you can post videos,you can have longer formed discussions with friends
(29:52):
and enemies, and political people whoare in agreement with you and people who
you hate politically. Facebook allows youto do a little bit of everything.
If you go to Instagram, it'snot conducive to having conversations. It's not
conducive to going back and forth withpeople or connecting with people. Facebook is
great for finding old friends, classmates, people you went to high school with
(30:18):
in college. Instagram doesn't lend itselfto that. Snapchat never did. Each
social media platform has its place,Even Twitter slash x is not what it
was now. Of course, alot of that can be attributed to its
new dear leader Elon Musk and howhe's ravaged the place and people have left
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the platform, run from the platform. But that's the thing about social media.
You'll have your moment in the sunand it could be five to ten
years. Facebook has had a hellof a run, Instagram has had a
hell of a run. But eventuallypeople move on to the next thing.
I don't know what the next thingis going to be. You don't know
what the next thing is going tobe. If anyone knew what the next
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thing was going to be, theywould start investing in that right now.
And that's why you have these venturecapitalists who are always throwing money at what
they hope is going to be thenext thing. But if I were to
bet, and I'm not a gamber, but if I were to bet,
I think this is that moment whereyou're seeing the signs of some degree of
(31:23):
erosion. And I'll say, we'rejust a contraction of TikTok, and they're
showing you all the signs. Politically, here in the United States, it's
running to issues financially, clearly,it's running into issues around the world.
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And we're out of the pandemic atleast in our day to day lives.
We're back in the workplace and we'renot spending as much time doing the TikTok
thing as we were two and threeyears ago, and TikTok is probably trying
to find its equilibrium in light ofthat. I think this is that moment
(32:06):
where people might be starting to lookfor something else. I don't know what
that new app is going to be, but there will be one, and
we'll probably know about it in thenext year or so. And it doesn't
mean that TikTok is going anywhere.It just says that they're clearly slowing down
and not growing at the pace theyhad been growing in the past two three
(32:27):
years or so. You're listening toLater with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
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