August 6, 2024 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A preview of the 20th Century Studios’ ‘Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes’ in-home release with actors Eka Darville, who portrays Silva, a 400-pound silverback gorilla who is Proximus Caesar’s henchman AND Peter Macon who portrays the wise orangutan, Raka. ‘Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes’ arrives to digital retailers (Prime Video, Apple TV and Fandango at Home) on July 9 and on 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray and DVD on August 27…PLUS – Thoughts on the creators of Cobra Kai exploring the potential of a ‘Mr. Miyagi Prequel’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's her wonderful day? What her wonderful time? The build
a kingdom one must conquer through what her wonderful tame.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Can't destroy.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
In my village took my family.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I will find them, I will pay them.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Say this was you know where they're taking your clan?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
She knows their secrets. Together you we've died no together strong.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
KFI AM six forty is Later with mo Kelly. We're
live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app set. Several generations in
the future following Caesar's reign, apes are living harmoniously as
the dominant species. As a new tyrannical ape leader builds
his empire, one young ape undertakes a harrowing journey that
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will cause him to question both the past and future
for apes and humans alike. Such sets the stage for
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, now on digital
streaming on Hulu and coming to four k blu Ray
on August twenty seventh. Joining me now on the show
are two of its stars, Ika Darville, who starred as Silva,
the four hundred pound silverback guerrilla and chief henchman of
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the villain Proximus Caesar, and Peter Macon, who was Raka
the Wise Orangutan.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Gentlemen, thank you for coming on the show tonight. Good good,
good good. Peter. Let me start with you.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
The original Planet of the Apes movies were of course
an allegory for the racial strife of its time. But
I would say that this iteration is more about our time.
It's talking about the ideas of religion, how history should
be taught, and also the role of science and their
collective competition. When you were reading the script, what came
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to mind for you, Peter.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, I'm right there with you, And I would also
posit in like the role of climate change, you know,
throwing that in there too, Like these are the realities
that we are facing. And so when I read the script,
like the religion, you know, like there's a saying that
that stories and allegory and fables tend to outlive the truth.
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And I think we're living in this age of over
stimulation or or we're just super saturated with stimy and
try and how we get information, and of course post COVID,
you know, so these are all sort of things that
are existing in our consciousness and things that are part
of the permanent site geist now that were different than
when the other earlier films were coming through. So when
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I read the script, I'm like, okay, so this is
yet a continuation of like this is almost like a
morality tale, you know what I mean. If we don't
get ourselves together and figure out how we can coexist
on this planet together as human beings, like we're going
to no longer be the top of the food chain.
I often say that if polar bears had thumbs, it'd
be a wrap for human beings, because you know, they could,
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you know, systematically deal with how climate change is affecting
their they're melting lands or you know, just basically the
human beings we need to figure out. And with the
invention of this well intended but yet faded virus, it
was intended to help Alzheimer's, which is something that we
you know, like I applaud the human beings in terms
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of our innovation and trying to solve the mysteries of
the universe, but we tend to you know, we're messy,
and you know, when you make mistakes like that on
a grand scale and oops, oh, well, like, you know,
this thing has turned into a virus that's made min
beings really dump. So I think that there's a lot
of all of that in there. When so when I
read this script, I'm like, Okay, this is the mirror.
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This is yet a continuation of you know, like all
of the issues that you spoke of before, but also
you know what happens to us as a species if
we don't figure out how to ate, co exist with
our environment and be get along with each other, you know,
and the rest of the rest of the animal world Inca.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think about the physicality of your character, Silva, and
how you had to convey what seem would be difficult
from where I sit because it's not animation. You have
to make people feel the physicality of your character. You
don't control the special effects, but you control your performance.
What type of physicality that you have to bring to
the role?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Great question.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I am not at three hundred and six five pounds
silver back guerrilla, so in order to embody that kind
of size, I'm not a small guy, but I'm not
huge either, and so it was an amazing practice to
step into the part of me that is super dominant
and how to create domination of space and intimidation through
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this character with a smaller physicality than Silver actually has.
And I had the best of the best coaching me
on how to do that, with Andy Serkis coming in
and who developed the original technology on how to work
with motion capture and obviously created Caesar, and so yeah,
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I had a lot of help from a lot of
different people, and that was absolutely necessary to be able
to find the physicality of something that feels so physically
different from me.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Peter, A similar question for you, how much do you
get to personally communicate through your own facial expressions. There's makeup,
there's cgi but and there's that booming based voice of
yours which obviously cuts through, but the subtleties of the character.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
What were you able to bring to the performance?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
That's a that's that's a really good question. I'm glad
you asked that because one of the struggles that I
had this is being unlike any other shoot that I've done,
where you can go back to video village and you
can you can watch the last take and sort of
take notes and help shape your performance and get information
on what you were doing and how you can work technically.
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You know, with whatever, you know, whatever shot they had
going with this, that was out the window, you know,
like you go back. I mean I stopped going back
to look at playback unless I was asked to, because
you're the information that I was looking for I couldn't get,
you know, because it's just us in performance capture suits,
and that that wasn't helpful at all. So at the
end of the day, it brought me back to like
being on stage, which is a lot of my career
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has been on stage, and so there's a matter of
being ensconced in the scene with I've seen partners and
doing it as if and forgetting that I had all
of this gag on and all this this equipment on,
and in my mind, I'm an orangutang. I'm speaking differently.
I have different vocal qualities, I have different you know, syntax,
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I have different you know patterns, And also even like
with the physicality and just and this it's a lot
of imagination work and then just letting the acting do
do the work, you know what I mean, and trusting
that that I'm giving my scene partners what they need
and just keep it pushing after and just getting out
of my head and out of my own sort of
you know, vanity space, of like, oh how do I look?
And all this business. It was just really a matter
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of am I communicating accurately as an ape astor or
as accurately as possible as an orangutang? And am I
communicating what I need to my scene partner and just
letting the rest of it that Jesus take the whale.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
You know, it's pretty hard to uh, it's pretty hard
to buy into the vanmity too much when you're wearing
a grace and covered in dots and shivn with a
helmet on, like you don't look very cool.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Well, speaking of not looking very cool, I think that
teas up my next question because I have about two
decades on you in age, so I grew up watching
the original movies. I remember those bad rubber suits and
and how difficult it was to suspend your disbelief many
times that you were actually looking at ace.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But but I do wonder.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I think it was easier for me to believe the
story which was on screen that you have embodied.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And that leads me to my next question.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Did you, as an actor go back and watch some
of the original movies or did you think that it'd
be better if you didn't so you could have just
a completely blank tableau or slate for this.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
No, I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if
you don't study the material. It's already available and obviously
went back and watched all the films and there's amazing
things that you can pull from in it. And yes,
the technology has advanced. I just think we're at this
amazing nexus point where the capability of the motion capture
technology has now arrived at a similar place where our
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storytelling skill sets and where's his imagination can kind of
be brought to life in a real way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I don't think leaving a blank slate because this is
helpful because this is such a rich franchise from a
historical perspective, I don't know. I think it is one
of the oldest, if not the oldest and longest running
franchise in the world. So it's amazing to be a
part of what is an ongoing iterative story that just
captures the imagination of humanity kind of in a in
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a very almost subconscious way, because I think I think
it speaks to things that we're not even aware of
questions that we're asking ourselves.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
So my guests right now are Eco Darville Peter Macon,
both co stars of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes,
now on digital streaming on Hulu and coming to four
k blu ray on August twenty seventh. I'll have more
with them on the other side of the news break.
It's Later with Moe Kelly Cafi and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
App with Mo Kelly one K.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Six as I'm talking to two of the stars of
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, now available on
digital streaming on Hulu and coming to four k blu
ray on August twenty seventh. Ika Darville, who played Silva,
and Peter Macon, who played Raka, both join me now
on the show. Peter, let me pick up there. When
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I watched the original movies, I remember feeling this despair.
There is never any real hope that I felt in
watching the movies. In a tonality sense, it seemed like
there was that same level of despair here, but with
a little tinge of hope at the end. I'm not
going to given away for those who haven't seen it.
You have the chance to see it now that it's
available to stream on Hulu. As we talk about Kingdom
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of the Planet of the Apes, but I wonder, Peter,
did you ever feel as if that there was no hope,
real hope for the larger story of humans and apes coexisting.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
No, No, I think that Raka resonates with audiences for
precisely that reason. I think that Raca represents or if
you you know, in a note, in a symphony of notes,
he represents this notion of hope. And it's not just
you know, it's it's hope for coexistence. It's hope for
human beings like to be elevated back to a status
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of equality and apes to be on par with that
equality with human beings, like Raca represents like the voice
of Caesar. So you know, we this movie Kingdom of
the Planet of the Apes is is almost like in
a Bronze age of technology, but it's also in a
Bronze age of consciousness. You know, like the human beings
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are back in caves essentially, and the apes are splintered
and trying to decipher their identity and like, so you
have like the Ego Klan who are very sort of myopic,
and they're very almost like libertarians, and then you have
like approximates Caesar's camp, who for better or for worse,
you know, like he's not actually that wrong because he
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understands through his consciousness, like and having been read to
by a human being and taught human history, that human beings,
if they get their shot, they'll put us back in cages.
And so Raca represents like this sort of middle ground
between that and that's that's unlike I mean, Maurice in
the other the past three films sort of represented that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But but but.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Raka really is that voice of coexistence, and I think
that that is a breath of fresh air in like
this landscape of it's it's it's not that, it's not
it's not a great time.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Long before your elders, it was Caesar who taught us
what it means to be ape.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He was our leader, our law giver.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Apes Together strong ape shall not kill ape.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We the order of Caesar, follow his words to this name.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
We believe apes built this as a refuge for humans.
Now it's rare to see even one, but in Caesar's
time they were vast herds of them. Perhaps here humans
were cared for that, maybe even taught what is it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Echo human.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They are scavengers like four only lesser.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Humans are slow witted. But there was a time when
humans and apes they've decide by side. Yes, it is
a puzzle. I know.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Eco.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Let me come back to you in this nerd universe,
and I think it's all connected. Some may know you
from your time on Jessica Jones, Peter, some may know
you obviously from the Orville.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This question is for both of you, as we're getting
close to the end.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Do you find in doing roles like these where you're
not visually recognizable that fans still recognize you equal Let's
start with you.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Yeah, First, thanks for the shout out on Jessica Jones.
Such an amazing gurup of people on that and on
this one. It's been it's been interesting to watch that
like people who know no. But it's it's very it's
few and fall between. It's amazing to be like driving
Aroun down l A. I live just north of LA
and there's billboards absolutely everywhere for your movie, and it's
(15:08):
just kind of like I'm just like the other guy
walking past the bus stop and and it's like it's
it's kind of it's kind of surreal and so I
actually really like it because I'm not a I don't know,
I find like the I value anonymity, and so I
think there's something really beautiful in that. But I also
do kind of there's that that little part of me
(15:29):
that's like, man, you got no idea who I am?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's me? So yeah, both both.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I have a very similar experience too,
like a go and like I've gone to see see
the movie and it's just such so fun to be
sitting there. Nobody knows that all the way and I'm
just listening to like the people you know, you know.
And then and then there were times I'll the target
one time and this woman was like are you are
(16:00):
you Peter Making?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I'm like, what do you mean? It's like just like
your voice.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I didn't know. I didn't know it was that distinct.
So but I too value anonymity, and it is like
it is really fun, you know, to just a giant
fifty foot billboards of yourself all over the place or
you just you just and it's not the same, you know,
and like and what's really great about that is that
it allows I think it allowed like when people say
(16:24):
they love the movie or they love your work. It's
it's like my my vanity is tripped away from the
whole equation. And so it really is like I really
love doing character work, and it's and I feel appreciated
for that as opposed to like, oh yeah, it's a
liberty and like we know you, but we don't you know,
we know what you look like or whatever.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
It's just it's just a whole different conversation. So it's
just about of work, which is great.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Taking them out.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
The Planet of the Apes now on digital streaming on
Hulu and coming to four k blu Ray on August
twenty seventh. You've been just listening to the bass voice
and it's actually, you know, really really jealous of Peter
Making's voice.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
You know, man, it made no sense when I was
fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
So and also you have this guy Ika Darville, who's
very handsome.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm jealous in that regard.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I wish I was like twenty five thirty years younger,
but you know, life is not fair, no ego sixty two, right,
you know, Peter, Ika, thank you for coming on this evening.
Congratulations on your success, and I look forward to seeing
you and hearing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You in the future, Appreciate You.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, can if I am six
forty we are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
And then you Know we Love all Things Karate Kid
Cobra Kai the Final season. The first part of the
final season was recently released. I benched with I Think
in like you know, four hours. I was done with
it the first five episodes, and they're releasing it in
three parts. Part one was five episodes. I think each
part is five episodes. The next set coming out in November.
(18:09):
But in the first set of five episodes, it's delving
in no big spoiler, it's delving into an unknown portion
of mister Miyagi's background. He had obviously, he had a
life before he ran into Daniel. He had a life
before he ended up as the maintenance man at the
apartment building. We know that he had a life on Okinawa.
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We learned in the Karate Kid two that he had
this childhood beef or young adult beef with Sato Okinawa,
which was addressed in Karate Kid two.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
But for the most part, we don't know a lot
about his life.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We know that he served in World War Two, we
know that he had a wife and child at some
point during that time, but we don't know about his
formative years. We don't know about his early years in America.
And the first part of the last season of Copra
Kai kind of dealt with that, and it let you
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know that they were willing to explore more with that
chapter of Yaggi's history. And it seems that the creators
of Copra Kai, who haven't done anything wrong yet, they've
gotten it all right. They're seeing that the next spinoff
could be about the past of mister Miyagi, and I
think there's a lot of story to be told there.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Absolutely if they do this story similar to the Max
series now Netflix series Warriors, I think that there's something
that could be told. I think if they approach it
like that, not that it has to tell a story
as dark as Warrior does, but if they approach it
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like that, and not just Miyagi's growing up, but just
also what life was like after the war coming to
America and just like that for Asian immigrants, I think
that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, there's a there's a blank landscape.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
They could tell a lot of stories that obviously have
nothing to do with the known Karate Kid universe.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It would be a thing unto itself.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, it could probably have passing references to his father,
who was in Karate Kid two Insato, but we would
just to yet we get to see him, I would
hope as a teenager, as a twenty something year old man,
you know, trying to make his way. There's there's a
lot of room to tell that story because it's pretty
much unmapped.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
And to see the origins of Miagi do and to
see how he founded this style, how he created it,
and what kept him from taking it larger. Because all
we know about his his style is that he's passed
it down to Danny.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We don't know anything about the origins of the style. Well,
they're letting us know that there is some history.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
He fought a little bit more than his passive personality
that we met in the first Karate Kid would lead
us to believe. Because you was talking about karate's only
for defense, Well we're learning that there was some karate
used for offense as well. We don't know all the
parameters and the reasons, but we know that you know,
he has a pass as a history like we all
just almost like they use this analogy in the show.
(21:19):
You know, you meet your parents and you only see
them as adults. You don't know that they had their
individual dreams or own stories, own histories, own mischief. Yeah,
all the trouble that got into One day, Mark Ronner
is going to have a kid, and they're only going
to know Mark as the mature individual that he is today,
not when he was really immature.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
In a rabble Roser, I will demand a blood test
first and foremost, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You are the father.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
I'm looking forward to seeing mister Miyagi's years that we
don't know that much about working at Arnold's Diner in Milwaukee,
Wisconsin in the fifties.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Well, I want to know when he were to South
Central LA, next to Fred G. Sanford when he lived there.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that time he was a cop
with Jay Leno.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This should be great.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I was kind of skeptical about it, but yes, it's
sounding more and more promising.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, we know that he had a lot of aliases
or aliases, Yeah, mysterious, So yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Love it, y'all went deep.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
A lot of people don't know, Yes, He was a
guest star on Sanford the Son and Happy Days and
a lot of other classic TV shows, which was interesting
because he delivers some comedic lines in Karate Kid, but
he's not straight up comedy.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Well, he was a stand up comic from time to
time as well. And I don't know if we can
say this on the radio, but his name for himself,
pardon me, was the hip Nip.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Do you remember this? I do remember that. I remember.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
There's actually, I believe, an interview with him and Red
Fox talk about it, because him and Red Fox were
really really yes, very very close friends, and he was
a featured guest on The Red Fox Show when he
had it up and running for that short short time.
But yeah, they were really good friends. And there's an
(23:12):
interview where I think where Pat Marina is imitating Red
Fox about a time he borrowed some money from him.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Hey, Mark Roberts, you know who wrote this theme? I
do not Quincy Jones. No, the Quincy Jones. Yes he did,
Yes he did. Okay, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
That's why it was so funky. Yes, that is actually
if you listen to that, like and I listened to
one of the students here and had it turned up
that actually slaps it really does.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I wish there was like a like a high quality
version because that's Mono from early nineteen seventies, so the
fidelity is low. But I'm sure in the studio the
actual creation of it, it sounded great.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
We need an extended remix of that. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Quincy did a lot of TV work, and that was
just one of his masterpieces.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Well, that was burned into our minds from childhood because
we heard it constantly. That show was always on when
we were kids.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Well it's always on now. It's all late at night
on the IFC channel. So I'm watching it. They're showing
all the episodes in sequential order, so I get to
relive them all over again, and you get to notice
different things, like all these TV shows, like why is
Lamont living at home and he's never made any real
effort to move out? He's thirty one on the show,
(24:33):
and it's never really clear if he has a job,
what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I thought LaMotte worked there, well that's what.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I'm saying, but he worked with his dad, but he
was always trying to like find something for while he
was supposed to go live with Rollo, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean it was a really problematic show when you
look at it.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Now we have Julio and he owns a goat.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Whatever happened to Demand Wilson.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
No, he's a pastor and he's been married to his
wife for like fifty plus years. Oh wow, Yeah, he's
he's stable individual. I think he's the last person alive
from the show too.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I had no idea because I remember reading that the
uh oh, I'm having a brain issue. The star had
a heart attack and died just off stage Red Fox,
Red Fox.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
In ninety one. He was doing the show The Royals.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and his last words were something like
call my wife. Uh uh And it was such a
sad way to go.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think about that from time to time.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because ironic, given the joke on Sandford the son, exactly, Elizabeth,
this is the big one. Yeah, Elizabeth, I'm coming to
join you. Here's Pat Marita, Sandford's son.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Well, I have at your way, missus Sandford. But I
think you're going to miss a great meal here.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Man.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
These the recipe has all been handed down by my family.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, I'm making the practice never to eat to hand
me down.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Here, Lama, Sure, sure, you won't have some missus Sandford.
It's better than kaaki, suki yaki, kushiyaki.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Now I'll just tick what these granny gooziyakis? Hey, you
know this is a good child too.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Yeah, man, I gotta admit I even I did myself
this time.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know that stuff looks like a little tired in
long beach.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Say you know it don't smell too bad though, in
fact it smells good.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Say well, then you guys like to trade some of
these chips for a tiny bit of that stuff?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Okay, yeah, hmm, it's nothing bad.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Matter of fact, it's good. We call it. I call
it far out food from the far East, and.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
You like it?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Huh huh.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I like it today, But tomorrow I may have a
suki yaki.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Seezure you? Then? Why did you just come on out
in a minute? Are you a good cook?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Gad a minute, how'd you a good cook?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
You know, that's the first time I ever heard you
give anybody an honest compliment?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Shut?
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Why did they have the name of machu? I was
gonna ask you about that. By the way, have you
ever seen any of Red Fox's stand up? It is
hilarious and filth. Well, you have no idea.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
My dad would collect his albums because back in the day,
if you're not old enough to remember, they would do
these live comedy albums on vinyl. We had Richard Pryor
Red Fox, and Red Fox was far more filthy than
Richard Pryor. I remember my favorite one. I can tell
you this is my favorite Red Fox comedy album. You
(27:41):
can look it up, Steph, and I encourage you to
listen to it. It is called Red Fox. You Gotta
Wash your Ass, and it's it's him holding up the tail.
I think of like an elephant and looking in the
ass of an elephant.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm serious, look at it is.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
It still holds to to this day, and you can
tell contemporary comedians have nothing on Red Fox.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
No, no families bonded over wash your ass back in the day.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I'm serious. Our family did, of course. It's look Mark,
you try to be funny, but listen to it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh no, he's hilarious. I'm fully on board.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
In fact, recently I watched one of his stand up
specials on YouTube. He's hilarious. He was one of the
great stand up comics, and I think most people only
know him from that show, and I've never seen a
stand up.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you have got to see his stand up now.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Some people he had a little bit of a rebirth
when he was in the movie Harlem Nights with all
those comedic legends, but people didn't get to see him
in his prime, at his peak. So that's why you
have to go back to his comedy albums. They are sensational.
Even today.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 5 (28:49):
Before we get out of here, be sure to check
out the podcast. There's a lot of funny, funny stuff,
and sometimes we miss it because you know, just in
the course of the show, you may not hear it.
When I go home, I usually listen to the show
late late at night to listen back because when I
do a show, how I hear it in my head,
(29:11):
it's not the same as how it comes out on
the podcast. The things that are sometimes I think are
very funny. I listened to on a podcast, I wasn't
that funny. Well, the things that I thought weren't that
fun it's like, oh my gosh, I didn't hear that
that was really funny. So I always encourage people to
listen to the podcast because you may have missed something.
It's almost like watching a Marvel movie. He'll find the
Easter eggs, you know. But I definitely do that. And
(29:32):
kudos and hats off to Twala who puts the podcast
together each night. He puts a lot of care and
attention into it, and I know it takes.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Him a long time. You're here to what six in
the morning? Sometimes? Yeah, sometimes, I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
No exaggeration, he's been here all night on occasion, but
we take great sound perfect.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah. What did you do this weekend? I know you
said that you did you hosted? Was it a tournament?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
No, it was another hot keto seminar. My school was
one of the schools was attending this hat Keto seminar
in Downey. There are about maybe sixty students or so there,
and I was just like one of the instructors who
helped out. We had one of our grand masters, STEVESA
of the World Keto Federation, who was presiding and doing
(30:18):
the demonstration, and then we go around and help other
students with the techniques that he was showing.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And it was a good day.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's good to meet other martial artists from around Los
Angeles and some from outside the country. And you know
this is my Look, I have more years behind me
than I do in front of me. As far as
actively participating in martial arts, I'm trying to be as
busy as possible. I don't know how long this body's
going to hold out. I'll tell you a lot of miles,
(30:45):
a lot of miles on it osteo arthritis and everything.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But you know when I say keeps.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Me young, it really does keep me young, because what
else am I going to do? I don't play basketball anymore?
How am I going to stay active? This is how
I stayed active. It reminds me need to stretch every day.
It reminds me to stay active and move all my limbs,
not just sit in a chair all day all night.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Well, I mean that on top of your diet as well,
because now you're on this stricken leading me alone. I
wanted pizza diet.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Look, I had some pizza Saturday night at the at
the post dinner.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I had to. I had to. I was just like.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
It was it was it was too much. It was
just it was just like it was just it was
calling me. It was sitting in front of me. We're
at We're at uh downy pizza place. I think it
was called or something like that, Downy Pizza company, and
it was really good pizza. And I said, well, I
had a long workout that day. Yes, I had to
be some pizza because you can't escape that smell. I
can't just intoxicate.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And then I was back on the diet on Sunday.
And people want to why you're going to die? Well,
I weighed like one hundred and seventy five. I want
to get down under one hundred and seventy has my
semi annual physical and it will probably be in October.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I want all my numbers to be in a good
place and just you know.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Just just getting older, and you just want to make
sure that you don't have any unforeseen issues. As much
as you can control, you know, who knows. You can't
control whether you're gonna wake up tomorrow. But as far
as I can control, I'll try to control it. Eat
a little better, work out a little bit more, drink
a little less, you know that kind of thing. Oh,
(32:26):
that's all I can do. That's all I can do.
And you guys have seen it. I haven't gone hog
wild with the food here.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, every time we bring them in, you're like good,
good for you go for I'm glad, You're like, yeah,
get it out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I was actually mad at lindsay last time you got
food here got pizza because I was saying, like, have
you guys finished the pizza yet?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Can you finish the pizza? So it's not like just
staring at me.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
We called down Chris a little to eat some of
the pizzas, like, get somebody eat the pizza please.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I try to tell everyone on the floor because I'm
like me, let's you can't eat this thing alone. And
then Mark at some but I love the direct order
gave us. Finished that pizza by the next commercial break.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, but we're gonna have a misunderstanding up in here.
That is hilarious. But it was very true. That was
the true story.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
So now I have to when I leave here, actually
I have to go down the hall to do a
BBC interview. This has been the longest day. Started with
Spectrum News at seven am. Then I had to do
some other recordings for other stuff to do, like the
Black Information Network, iHeartRadio. Then to get here and do
the show. Then we got BBC. It's the day We'll
(33:31):
just not end.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It will not end.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I guess totally started Sunday night with that party that
was going on. Oh well, yeah, I was preparing for Monday.
And that's part of the reason why I was trying
to go to bed early, because I had to get
up early. And you know, the edm Hard Summer concert
just wouldn't let me. Those young people couldn't stand them.
They wouldn't get off my lawn or turn down their music.
Turn the hose on them next time, turn a who
(33:56):
the hose? Ho se hose.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm about saying that might look at the time. Okay,
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What's her wonderful day? What her wonderful time? The build
a kingdom one must conquer through what her wonderful tame.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Can't destroy.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
In my village took my family.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I will find them, I will pay them.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Say this was you know where they're taking your clan?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
She knows their secrets. Together you we've died no together strong.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
KFI AM six forty is Later with mo Kelly. We're
live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app set. Several generations in
the future following Caesar's reign, apes are living harmoniously as
the dominant species. As a new tyrannical ape leader builds
his empire, one young ape undertakes a harrowing journey that
(01:33):
will cause him to question both the past and future
for apes and humans alike. Such sets the stage for
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, now on digital
streaming on Hulu and coming to four k blu Ray
on August twenty seventh. Joining me now on the show
are two of its stars, Ika Darville, who starred as Silva,
the four hundred pound silverback guerrilla and chief henchman of
(01:57):
the villain Proximus Caesar, and Peter Macon, who was Raka
the Wise Orangutan.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Gentlemen, thank you for coming on the show tonight. Good good,
good good. Peter. Let me start with you.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
The original Planet of the Apes movies were of course
an allegory for the racial strife of its time. But
I would say that this iteration is more about our time.
It's talking about the ideas of religion, how history should
be taught, and also the role of science and their
collective competition. When you were reading the script, what came
(02:30):
to mind for you, Peter.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, I'm right there with you, And I would also
posit in like the role of climate change, you know,
throwing that in there too, Like these are the realities
that we are facing. And so when I read the script,
like the religion, you know, like there's a saying that
that stories and allegory and fables tend to outlive the truth.
(02:53):
And I think we're living in this age of over
stimulation or or we're just super saturated with stimy and
try and how we get information, and of course post COVID,
you know, so these are all sort of things that
are existing in our consciousness and things that are part
of the permanent site geist now that were different than
when the other earlier films were coming through. So when
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I read the script, I'm like, okay, so this is
yet a continuation of like this is almost like a
morality tale, you know what I mean. If we don't
get ourselves together and figure out how we can coexist
on this planet together as human beings, like we're going
to no longer be the top of the food chain.
I often say that if polar bears had thumbs, it'd
be a wrap for human beings, because you know, they could,
(03:35):
you know, systematically deal with how climate change is affecting
their they're melting lands or you know, just basically the
human beings we need to figure out. And with the
invention of this well intended but yet faded virus, it
was intended to help Alzheimer's, which is something that we
you know, like I applaud the human beings in terms
(03:58):
of our innovation and trying to solve the mysteries of
the universe, but we tend to you know, we're messy,
and you know, when you make mistakes like that on
a grand scale and oops, oh, well, like, you know,
this thing has turned into a virus that's made min
beings really dump. So I think that there's a lot
of all of that in there. When so when I
read this script, I'm like, Okay, this is the mirror.
(04:18):
This is yet a continuation of you know, like all
of the issues that you spoke of before, but also
you know what happens to us as a species if
we don't figure out how to ate, co exist with
our environment and be get along with each other, you know,
and the rest of the rest of the animal world Inca.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think about the physicality of your character, Silva, and
how you had to convey what seem would be difficult
from where I sit because it's not animation. You have
to make people feel the physicality of your character. You
don't control the special effects, but you control your performance.
What type of physicality that you have to bring to
the role?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Great question.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I am not at three hundred and six five pounds
silver back guerrilla, so in order to embody that kind
of size, I'm not a small guy, but I'm not
huge either, and so it was an amazing practice to
step into the part of me that is super dominant
and how to create domination of space and intimidation through
(05:23):
this character with a smaller physicality than Silver actually has.
And I had the best of the best coaching me
on how to do that, with Andy Serkis coming in
and who developed the original technology on how to work
with motion capture and obviously created Caesar, and so yeah,
(05:43):
I had a lot of help from a lot of
different people, and that was absolutely necessary to be able
to find the physicality of something that feels so physically
different from me.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Peter, A similar question for you, how much do you
get to personally communicate through your own facial expressions. There's makeup,
there's cgi but and there's that booming based voice of
yours which obviously cuts through, but the subtleties of the character.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
What were you able to bring to the performance?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
That's a that's that's a really good question. I'm glad
you asked that because one of the struggles that I
had this is being unlike any other shoot that I've done,
where you can go back to video village and you
can you can watch the last take and sort of
take notes and help shape your performance and get information
on what you were doing and how you can work technically.
(06:33):
You know, with whatever, you know, whatever shot they had
going with this, that was out the window, you know,
like you go back. I mean I stopped going back
to look at playback unless I was asked to, because
you're the information that I was looking for I couldn't get,
you know, because it's just us in performance capture suits,
and that that wasn't helpful at all. So at the
end of the day, it brought me back to like
being on stage, which is a lot of my career
(06:55):
has been on stage, and so there's a matter of
being ensconced in the scene with I've seen partners and
doing it as if and forgetting that I had all
of this gag on and all this this equipment on,
and in my mind, I'm an orangutang. I'm speaking differently.
I have different vocal qualities, I have different you know, syntax,
(07:16):
I have different you know patterns, And also even like
with the physicality and just and this it's a lot
of imagination work and then just letting the acting do
do the work, you know what I mean, and trusting
that that I'm giving my scene partners what they need
and just keep it pushing after and just getting out
of my head and out of my own sort of
you know, vanity space, of like, oh how do I look?
And all this business. It was just really a matter
(07:38):
of am I communicating accurately as an ape astor or
as accurately as possible as an orangutang? And am I
communicating what I need to my scene partner and just
letting the rest of it that Jesus take the whale.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
You know, it's pretty hard to uh, it's pretty hard
to buy into the vanmity too much when you're wearing
a grace and covered in dots and shivn with a
helmet on, like you don't look very cool.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Well, speaking of not looking very cool, I think that
teas up my next question because I have about two
decades on you in age, so I grew up watching
the original movies. I remember those bad rubber suits and
and how difficult it was to suspend your disbelief many
times that you were actually looking at ace.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But but I do wonder.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I think it was easier for me to believe the
story which was on screen that you have embodied.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And that leads me to my next question.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Did you, as an actor go back and watch some
of the original movies or did you think that it'd
be better if you didn't so you could have just
a completely blank tableau or slate for this.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
No, I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if
you don't study the material. It's already available and obviously
went back and watched all the films and there's amazing
things that you can pull from in it. And yes,
the technology has advanced. I just think we're at this
amazing nexus point where the capability of the motion capture
technology has now arrived at a similar place where our
(09:16):
storytelling skill sets and where's his imagination can kind of
be brought to life in a real way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I don't think leaving a blank slate because this is
helpful because this is such a rich franchise from a
historical perspective, I don't know. I think it is one
of the oldest, if not the oldest and longest running
franchise in the world. So it's amazing to be a
part of what is an ongoing iterative story that just
captures the imagination of humanity kind of in a in
(09:47):
a very almost subconscious way, because I think I think
it speaks to things that we're not even aware of
questions that we're asking ourselves.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
So my guests right now are Eco Darville Peter Macon,
both co stars of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes,
now on digital streaming on Hulu and coming to four
k blu ray on August twenty seventh. I'll have more
with them on the other side of the news break.
It's Later with Moe Kelly Cafi and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
App with Mo Kelly one K.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Six as I'm talking to two of the stars of
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, now available on
digital streaming on Hulu and coming to four k blu
ray on August twenty seventh. Ika Darville, who played Silva,
and Peter Macon, who played Raka, both join me now
on the show. Peter, let me pick up there. When
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I watched the original movies, I remember feeling this despair.
There is never any real hope that I felt in
watching the movies. In a tonality sense, it seemed like
there was that same level of despair here, but with
a little tinge of hope at the end. I'm not
going to given away for those who haven't seen it.
You have the chance to see it now that it's
available to stream on Hulu. As we talk about Kingdom
(11:06):
of the Planet of the Apes, but I wonder, Peter,
did you ever feel as if that there was no hope,
real hope for the larger story of humans and apes coexisting.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
No, No, I think that Raka resonates with audiences for
precisely that reason. I think that Raca represents or if
you you know, in a note, in a symphony of notes,
he represents this notion of hope. And it's not just
you know, it's it's hope for coexistence. It's hope for
human beings like to be elevated back to a status
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of equality and apes to be on par with that
equality with human beings, like Raca represents like the voice
of Caesar. So you know, we this movie Kingdom of
the Planet of the Apes is is almost like in
a Bronze age of technology, but it's also in a
Bronze age of consciousness. You know, like the human beings
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are back in caves essentially, and the apes are splintered
and trying to decipher their identity and like, so you
have like the Ego Klan who are very sort of myopic,
and they're very almost like libertarians, and then you have
like approximates Caesar's camp, who for better or for worse,
you know, like he's not actually that wrong because he
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understands through his consciousness, like and having been read to
by a human being and taught human history, that human beings,
if they get their shot, they'll put us back in cages.
And so Raca represents like this sort of middle ground
between that and that's that's unlike I mean, Maurice in
the other the past three films sort of represented that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But but but.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Raka really is that voice of coexistence, and I think
that that is a breath of fresh air in like
this landscape of it's it's it's not that, it's not
it's not a great time.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Long before your elders, it was Caesar who taught us
what it means to be ape.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He was our leader, our law giver.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Apes Together strong ape shall not kill ape.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We the order of Caesar, follow his words to this name.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
We believe apes built this as a refuge for humans.
Now it's rare to see even one, but in Caesar's
time they were vast herds of them. Perhaps here humans
were cared for that, maybe even taught what is it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Echo human.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They are scavengers like four only lesser.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Humans are slow witted. But there was a time when
humans and apes they've decide by side. Yes, it is
a puzzle. I know.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Eco.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Let me come back to you in this nerd universe,
and I think it's all connected. Some may know you
from your time on Jessica Jones, Peter, some may know
you obviously from the Orville.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This question is for both of you, as we're getting
close to the end.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Do you find in doing roles like these where you're
not visually recognizable that fans still recognize you equal Let's
start with you.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Yeah, First, thanks for the shout out on Jessica Jones.
Such an amazing gurup of people on that and on
this one. It's been it's been interesting to watch that
like people who know no. But it's it's very it's
few and fall between. It's amazing to be like driving
Aroun down l A. I live just north of LA
and there's billboards absolutely everywhere for your movie, and it's
(15:08):
just kind of like I'm just like the other guy
walking past the bus stop and and it's like it's
it's kind of it's kind of surreal and so I
actually really like it because I'm not a I don't know,
I find like the I value anonymity, and so I
think there's something really beautiful in that. But I also
do kind of there's that that little part of me
(15:29):
that's like, man, you got no idea who I am?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's me? So yeah, both both.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I have a very similar experience too,
like a go and like I've gone to see see
the movie and it's just such so fun to be
sitting there. Nobody knows that all the way and I'm
just listening to like the people you know, you know.
And then and then there were times I'll the target
one time and this woman was like are you are
(16:00):
you Peter Making?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I'm like, what do you mean? It's like just like
your voice.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I didn't know. I didn't know it was that distinct.
So but I too value anonymity, and it is like
it is really fun, you know, to just a giant
fifty foot billboards of yourself all over the place or
you just you just and it's not the same, you know,
and like and what's really great about that is that
it allows I think it allowed like when people say
(16:24):
they love the movie or they love your work. It's
it's like my my vanity is tripped away from the
whole equation. And so it really is like I really
love doing character work, and it's and I feel appreciated
for that as opposed to like, oh yeah, it's a
liberty and like we know you, but we don't you know,
we know what you look like or whatever.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
It's just it's just a whole different conversation. So it's
just about of work, which is great.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Taking them out.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
The Planet of the Apes now on digital streaming on
Hulu and coming to four k blu Ray on August
twenty seventh. You've been just listening to the bass voice
and it's actually, you know, really really jealous of Peter
Making's voice.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
You know, man, it made no sense when I was
fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
So and also you have this guy Ika Darville, who's
very handsome.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm jealous in that regard.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I wish I was like twenty five thirty years younger,
but you know, life is not fair, no ego sixty two, right,
you know, Peter, Ika, thank you for coming on this evening.
Congratulations on your success, and I look forward to seeing
you and hearing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You in the future, Appreciate You.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, can if I am six
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Speaker 1 (17:39):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 5 (17:45):
And then you Know we Love all Things Karate Kid
Cobra Kai the Final season. The first part of the
final season was recently released. I benched with I Think
in like you know, four hours. I was done with
it the first five episodes, and they're releasing it in
three parts. Part one was five episodes. I think each
part is five episodes. The next set coming out in November.
(18:09):
But in the first set of five episodes, it's delving
in no big spoiler, it's delving into an unknown portion
of mister Miyagi's background. He had obviously, he had a
life before he ran into Daniel. He had a life
before he ended up as the maintenance man at the
apartment building. We know that he had a life on Okinawa.
(18:32):
We learned in the Karate Kid two that he had
this childhood beef or young adult beef with Sato Okinawa,
which was addressed in Karate Kid two.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
But for the most part, we don't know a lot
about his life.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We know that he served in World War Two, we
know that he had a wife and child at some
point during that time, but we don't know about his
formative years. We don't know about his early years in America.
And the first part of the last season of Copra
Kai kind of dealt with that, and it let you
(19:05):
know that they were willing to explore more with that
chapter of Yaggi's history. And it seems that the creators
of Copra Kai, who haven't done anything wrong yet, they've
gotten it all right. They're seeing that the next spinoff
could be about the past of mister Miyagi, and I
think there's a lot of story to be told there.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Absolutely if they do this story similar to the Max
series now Netflix series Warriors, I think that there's something
that could be told. I think if they approach it
like that, not that it has to tell a story
as dark as Warrior does, but if they approach it
(19:48):
like that, and not just Miyagi's growing up, but just
also what life was like after the war coming to
America and just like that for Asian immigrants, I think
that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, there's a there's a blank landscape.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
They could tell a lot of stories that obviously have
nothing to do with the known Karate Kid universe.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It would be a thing unto itself.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, it could probably have passing references to his father,
who was in Karate Kid two Insato, but we would
just to yet we get to see him, I would
hope as a teenager, as a twenty something year old man,
you know, trying to make his way. There's there's a
lot of room to tell that story because it's pretty
much unmapped.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
And to see the origins of Miagi do and to
see how he founded this style, how he created it,
and what kept him from taking it larger. Because all
we know about his his style is that he's passed
it down to Danny.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We don't know anything about the origins of the style. Well,
they're letting us know that there is some history.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
He fought a little bit more than his passive personality
that we met in the first Karate Kid would lead
us to believe. Because you was talking about karate's only
for defense, Well we're learning that there was some karate
used for offense as well. We don't know all the
parameters and the reasons, but we know that you know,
he has a pass as a history like we all
just almost like they use this analogy in the show.
(21:19):
You know, you meet your parents and you only see
them as adults. You don't know that they had their
individual dreams or own stories, own histories, own mischief. Yeah,
all the trouble that got into One day, Mark Ronner
is going to have a kid, and they're only going
to know Mark as the mature individual that he is today,
not when he was really immature.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
In a rabble Roser, I will demand a blood test
first and foremost, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You are the father.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
I'm looking forward to seeing mister Miyagi's years that we
don't know that much about working at Arnold's Diner in Milwaukee,
Wisconsin in the fifties.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Well, I want to know when he were to South
Central LA, next to Fred G. Sanford when he lived there.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that time he was a cop
with Jay Leno.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This should be great.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I was kind of skeptical about it, but yes, it's
sounding more and more promising.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, we know that he had a lot of aliases
or aliases, Yeah, mysterious, So yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Love it, y'all went deep.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
A lot of people don't know, Yes, He was a
guest star on Sanford the Son and Happy Days and
a lot of other classic TV shows, which was interesting
because he delivers some comedic lines in Karate Kid, but
he's not straight up comedy.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Well, he was a stand up comic from time to
time as well. And I don't know if we can
say this on the radio, but his name for himself,
pardon me, was the hip Nip.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Do you remember this? I do remember that. I remember.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
There's actually, I believe, an interview with him and Red
Fox talk about it, because him and Red Fox were
really really yes, very very close friends, and he was
a featured guest on The Red Fox Show when he
had it up and running for that short short time.
But yeah, they were really good friends. And there's an
(23:12):
interview where I think where Pat Marina is imitating Red
Fox about a time he borrowed some money from him.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Hey, Mark Roberts, you know who wrote this theme? I
do not Quincy Jones. No, the Quincy Jones. Yes he did,
Yes he did. Okay, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
That's why it was so funky. Yes, that is actually
if you listen to that, like and I listened to
one of the students here and had it turned up
that actually slaps it really does.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I wish there was like a like a high quality
version because that's Mono from early nineteen seventies, so the
fidelity is low. But I'm sure in the studio the
actual creation of it, it sounded great.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
We need an extended remix of that. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Quincy did a lot of TV work, and that was
just one of his masterpieces.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Well, that was burned into our minds from childhood because
we heard it constantly. That show was always on when
we were kids.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Well it's always on now. It's all late at night
on the IFC channel. So I'm watching it. They're showing
all the episodes in sequential order, so I get to
relive them all over again, and you get to notice
different things, like all these TV shows, like why is
Lamont living at home and he's never made any real
effort to move out? He's thirty one on the show,
(24:33):
and it's never really clear if he has a job,
what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I thought LaMotte worked there, well that's what.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I'm saying, but he worked with his dad, but he
was always trying to like find something for while he
was supposed to go live with Rollo, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean it was a really problematic show when you
look at it.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Now we have Julio and he owns a goat.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Whatever happened to Demand Wilson.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
No, he's a pastor and he's been married to his
wife for like fifty plus years. Oh wow, Yeah, he's
he's stable individual. I think he's the last person alive
from the show too.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I had no idea because I remember reading that the
uh oh, I'm having a brain issue. The star had
a heart attack and died just off stage Red Fox,
Red Fox.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
In ninety one. He was doing the show The Royals.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and his last words were something like
call my wife. Uh uh And it was such a
sad way to go.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think about that from time to time.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because ironic, given the joke on Sandford the son, exactly, Elizabeth,
this is the big one. Yeah, Elizabeth, I'm coming to
join you. Here's Pat Marita, Sandford's son.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Well, I have at your way, missus Sandford. But I
think you're going to miss a great meal here.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Man.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
These the recipe has all been handed down by my family.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, I'm making the practice never to eat to hand
me down.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Here, Lama, Sure, sure, you won't have some missus Sandford.
It's better than kaaki, suki yaki, kushiyaki.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Now I'll just tick what these granny gooziyakis? Hey, you
know this is a good child too.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Yeah, man, I gotta admit I even I did myself
this time.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know that stuff looks like a little tired in
long beach.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Say you know it don't smell too bad though, in
fact it smells good.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Say well, then you guys like to trade some of
these chips for a tiny bit of that stuff?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Okay, yeah, hmm, it's nothing bad.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Matter of fact, it's good. We call it. I call
it far out food from the far East, and.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
You like it?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Huh huh.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I like it today, But tomorrow I may have a
suki yaki.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Seezure you? Then? Why did you just come on out
in a minute? Are you a good cook?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Gad a minute, how'd you a good cook?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
You know, that's the first time I ever heard you
give anybody an honest compliment?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Shut?
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Why did they have the name of machu? I was
gonna ask you about that. By the way, have you
ever seen any of Red Fox's stand up? It is
hilarious and filth. Well, you have no idea.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
My dad would collect his albums because back in the day,
if you're not old enough to remember, they would do
these live comedy albums on vinyl. We had Richard Pryor
Red Fox, and Red Fox was far more filthy than
Richard Pryor. I remember my favorite one. I can tell
you this is my favorite Red Fox comedy album. You
(27:41):
can look it up, Steph, and I encourage you to
listen to it. It is called Red Fox. You Gotta
Wash your Ass, and it's it's him holding up the tail.
I think of like an elephant and looking in the
ass of an elephant.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm serious, look at it is.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
It still holds to to this day, and you can
tell contemporary comedians have nothing on Red Fox.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
No, no families bonded over wash your ass back in the day.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I'm serious. Our family did, of course. It's look Mark,
you try to be funny, but listen to it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh no, he's hilarious. I'm fully on board.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
In fact, recently I watched one of his stand up
specials on YouTube. He's hilarious. He was one of the
great stand up comics, and I think most people only
know him from that show, and I've never seen a
stand up.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you have got to see his stand up now.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Some people he had a little bit of a rebirth
when he was in the movie Harlem Nights with all
those comedic legends, but people didn't get to see him
in his prime, at his peak. So that's why you
have to go back to his comedy albums. They are sensational.
Even today.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Before we get out of here, be sure to check
out the podcast. There's a lot of funny, funny stuff,
and sometimes we miss it because you know, just in
the course of the show, you may not hear it.
When I go home, I usually listen to the show
late late at night to listen back because when I
do a show, how I hear it in my head,
(29:11):
it's not the same as how it comes out on
the podcast. The things that are sometimes I think are
very funny. I listened to on a podcast, I wasn't
that funny. Well, the things that I thought weren't that
fun it's like, oh my gosh, I didn't hear that
that was really funny. So I always encourage people to
listen to the podcast because you may have missed something.
It's almost like watching a Marvel movie. He'll find the
Easter eggs, you know. But I definitely do that. And
(29:32):
kudos and hats off to Twala who puts the podcast
together each night. He puts a lot of care and
attention into it, and I know it takes.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Him a long time. You're here to what six in
the morning? Sometimes? Yeah, sometimes, I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
No exaggeration, he's been here all night on occasion, but
we take great sound perfect.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah. What did you do this weekend? I know you
said that you did you hosted? Was it a tournament?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
No, it was another hot keto seminar. My school was
one of the schools was attending this hat Keto seminar
in Downey. There are about maybe sixty students or so there,
and I was just like one of the instructors who
helped out. We had one of our grand masters, STEVESA
of the World Keto Federation, who was presiding and doing
(30:18):
the demonstration, and then we go around and help other
students with the techniques that he was showing.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And it was a good day.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's good to meet other martial artists from around Los
Angeles and some from outside the country. And you know
this is my Look, I have more years behind me
than I do in front of me. As far as
actively participating in martial arts, I'm trying to be as
busy as possible. I don't know how long this body's
going to hold out. I'll tell you a lot of miles,
(30:45):
a lot of miles on it osteo arthritis and everything.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But you know when I say keeps.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Me young, it really does keep me young, because what
else am I going to do? I don't play basketball anymore?
How am I going to stay active? This is how
I stayed active. It reminds me need to stretch every day.
It reminds me to stay active and move all my limbs,
not just sit in a chair all day all night.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Well, I mean that on top of your diet as well,
because now you're on this stricken leading me alone. I
wanted pizza diet.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Look, I had some pizza Saturday night at the at
the post dinner.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I had to. I had to. I was just like.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
It was it was it was too much. It was
just it was just like it was just it was
calling me. It was sitting in front of me. We're
at We're at uh downy pizza place. I think it
was called or something like that, Downy Pizza company, and
it was really good pizza. And I said, well, I
had a long workout that day. Yes, I had to
be some pizza because you can't escape that smell. I
can't just intoxicate.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And then I was back on the diet on Sunday.
And people want to why you're going to die? Well,
I weighed like one hundred and seventy five. I want
to get down under one hundred and seventy has my
semi annual physical and it will probably be in October.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I want all my numbers to be in a good
place and just you know.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Just just getting older, and you just want to make
sure that you don't have any unforeseen issues. As much
as you can control, you know, who knows. You can't
control whether you're gonna wake up tomorrow. But as far
as I can control, I'll try to control it. Eat
a little better, work out a little bit more, drink
a little less, you know that kind of thing. Oh,
(32:26):
that's all I can do. That's all I can do.
And you guys have seen it. I haven't gone hog
wild with the food here.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, every time we bring them in, you're like good,
good for you go for I'm glad, You're like, yeah,
get it out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I was actually mad at lindsay last time you got
food here got pizza because I was saying, like, have
you guys finished the pizza yet?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Can you finish the pizza? So it's not like just
staring at me.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
We called down Chris a little to eat some of
the pizzas, like, get somebody eat the pizza please.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I try to tell everyone on the floor because I'm
like me, let's you can't eat this thing alone. And
then Mark at some but I love the direct order
gave us. Finished that pizza by the next commercial break.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, but we're gonna have a misunderstanding up in here.
That is hilarious. But it was very true. That was
the true story.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
So now I have to when I leave here, actually
I have to go down the hall to do a
BBC interview. This has been the longest day. Started with
Spectrum News at seven am. Then I had to do
some other recordings for other stuff to do, like the
Black Information Network, iHeartRadio. Then to get here and do
the show. Then we got BBC. It's the day We'll
(33:31):
just not end.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It will not end.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I guess totally started Sunday night with that party that
was going on. Oh well, yeah, I was preparing for Monday.
And that's part of the reason why I was trying
to go to bed early, because I had to get
up early. And you know, the edm Hard Summer concert
just wouldn't let me. Those young people couldn't stand them.
They wouldn't get off my lawn or turn down their music.
Turn the hose on them next time, turn a who
(33:56):
the hose? Ho se hose.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm about saying that might look at the time. Okay,
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