August 16, 2024 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A conversation with former beauty queen, turned Wall Street attorney, New York City prosecutor and TV judge Faith Jenkins, who joins the program to preview the new season of her popular Oxygen series ‘Killer Relationship with Faith Jenkins,’ which “examines murder cases that began with romantic relationships or close friendships that went tragically awry” … PLUS – A look at NBA Hall-of-Famer, turned sports broadcaster Charles Barkley’s decision to “leave $100M on the table in order to stay with TNT and save jobs” AND the backlash against Rachael Gunn AKA ‘Raygun,’ over her viral “breakdance performance” at the Paris games - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When moo Kelly one Kay.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Six Well this season of Killer Relationship, devotion becomes deadly when.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
They got together and hit it off from the second
day met She fell in love with him hard.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
They were going to be together forever. They were your
typical all American couple. They really loved each other. My grandfather,
who was such a loving person. Why would someone want
him dead?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
He is killed by the person who was supposed to
love him the most and should have appreciated him the most.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Shot jealous of my sister's missing. Where is she? They
could clearly see in the body. It was badly burned,
appeared to be a female pregnant.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Kf I Am six forty It's later with mo Kelly
were Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Faith Jenkins, former
criminal prosecutor at the Manhattan DA's Office, explores the heart
stopping details of murders traced back to romantic liaisons and
close friendships that seemed perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
At least on the surface.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Such sets the stage for the new third season of
Killer Relationship with Faith Jenkins on NBC's Oxygen Channel and
Peacock's Dreaming app. Killer Relationship examines murder cases that began
with romantic relationships or close friendships that tragically went awry.
Joining me now is its host and executive producer Ms.
Faith Jenkins. Faith a pleasure to finally meet you and
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speak with you. How are you this evening?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I'm great. Thank you so much for that amazing introduction.
MO I need you to come on the road with me.
That was very compelling.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, don't promise me a good time.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
You have litigated Wall Street cases, family court and all
sorts of disputes in between. What has your law career
taught you about human nature?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think it's taught me that the human experience is
very intriguing and I'm always looking to gain insight into
the human mind and find out why people make the
decisions that they make. And what I found is is
for different reasons. People have secrets, they don't want to
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be exposed, They have issues with insecurity, jealousy, greed, and
you know what's so interesting mode most of us can
relate to having a relationship in our life in one
way or another, whether it's a significant other, a family
or a friend, and most of us can relate to
a relationship not working out. For the most part, people
are able to go their separate ways. We all cope
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differently with a relationship ending. But why is it? And
this is the question I think the show answers, why
is it that in some cases people feel that someone
else has to die?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Why do people go from I do to I hope
you die? And we find that out in Killer Relationship
with Faith Jenkins. But let me ask you another Jason question.
You're a litigator, you're an executive producer and host. You
have to keep emotional distance from victims or clients and
their families. But when putting a show together like this,
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what's the key to remaining passionate about the subject matter
but dispassionate in your approach.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's a great question. There are a couple of things. One,
we don't do any cases on the show without the
blessing of the family, and I want listeners to know
that because for me, what makes it all worthwhile is
being able to tell these people's story and knowing that
we're sharing a story that their legacy is not their murder,
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it's not how they died, is how they live. So
that's the emotional aspect that because I'm still human, I've
had all these cases and I've heard a lot of
things throughout my career, but I'm still human, so there's
always going to be a level of compassion empathy there.
And I address that in a way though with connecting
with these families and allowing them to share their loved
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one story. The other side of me, the investigator, the
trained investigator, the former prosecutor. I want people to know
how these crimes are solved because people always think they're
going to get away with it. They plan it hoping
and thinking that they're going to get away with it.
There's a level of investigation involved in these cases on
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this series because we always choose cases, you know, it
is television where the perpetrator isn't called right away, and
there has to be a level of investigation, and we
take viewers through that level of investigation, and that's the
bread and butter. I think that makes shows like this
work because you see the beginning, who the person is,
the victim, their family, You see this investigation. In the end,
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you have some semblance of justice being served. You can
never have true justice because someone's life is gone, but
you can have accountability.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
You've been telling us in a general sense about what
we should expect in this new season of relationship with
Faith Jenkins. But on the other side of telling these stories,
which have been endorsed if you will, by the family,
does the family from what you've seen, find a measure
of closure or satisfaction from getting the whole story out there?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know, families have different reactions both. Some families don't
want to be on TV. They don't want to share
the story, and we respect that, you know, we accept
that and we move on to the next case that
we want to pursue, because we spend months researching what
cases we want to do in narrowing down to thirteen.
But for the families who do want to be on
the show, I think it helps to talk about their
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loved one, to talk about the life that they live,
because these are not celebrity cases. These are not people
whose lives were in the spotlight. They live pretty quiet,
normal lives, everyday people. So for a lot of them,
it's the first time that they get to talk about
their family member on a national and international scale and
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talk about who they were. So for a lot of them,
it's a part of I think they're grieving and their
healing process, which is ongoing as they go through the
significant impact of losing their loved one and what that means.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
You have investigated and covered and shared any number of
cases related to killer relationship with Faith Jenkins. Have you
noticed along the way or subsequently any common threads which
takes a bad breakup and turns it violent or deadly.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think that I've noticed a pattern of people who
have secrets, and when they think those secrets are about
to be exposed, people react very differently to that. Some
people will go through great lengths to keep their secret
a secret. So I've noticed that as a pattern. I've
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noticed that the pressures of life when you start having children,
when they're financial pressure and you have all of these
things piling on.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
There's the show called Snapped.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's called Snapped for a reason some people, because I
mean our premiere episode, we're talking about teachers. One as
a high school teacher, one is a professor, not so
much even as a traffic ticket and all of a
sudden you have this premeditated plan for months homicide taking place,
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and it's so shocking to the community. So there are
somewhere you know it's just a matter of time before
this taking time bomb just goes off.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
In the beginning of our conversation you alluded to the
fact and I'm paraphrasing that you're human like the rest
of us paraphrasing. I wonder, though, and this is just
between you and me. Nobody's listening. It's not like you're
on the number one news talk station in America. Not
not at all.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But you know, if you were to keep this amo
so right.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Right, do you because of this show specifically, do you
ever look at your own own friendships or family circle
just a little bit differently and maybe say, hmmm, I
wonder if that is a clue or possibly an indicator
of something else.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Do you look at your own relationships differently?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think I think that once I started prosecuting cases,
I think I looked at everyone differently. And you know,
I have an eighteen month old daughter and my husband
tells me all the time, I don't trust it, you know,
because we know we have to hire nanny their babyfitters.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And he tells me I have prust issues. I said,
I know, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I work at crime, working in crime, you know, for
fifteen years now. So I tell him I look at
everything that people do. I just see the world in
a different way. So I will admit that I am
sort of like constantly looking for these red flags for
better or worse. But I actually think it's a good
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thing because as you go through life and you have
these experiences, what I've seen from and I've heard from
people through the years is wow, you know, but I
didn't think this was a red flag. But now looking back,
I should have caught this. And so when you've heard
that so many times throughout the course of your careers,
like I've compiled a list in my own head, and
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I just sort of go through life now with a
different lens of how I see people in the world.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well, your husband, Kitty Latimore, he better sleep with one
eye open Season three of Killer Relationship with Faith Jenkins
on NBC's True Crime Network, Oxygen and the Peacock streaming app.
Faith Jenkins, thank you so much for coming on the
first time we had a chance to talk, and I
hope won't be the last.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
It's Later with mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty. We're
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Speaker 8 (09:39):
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Speaker 6 (09:44):
Forty, the NBA on T and T and we have
been following the story of how T and T was
desperately trying to hand hang on to the NBA television
rights because T and T had the most popular broadcast
analysis show in all of sports, T and T's Inside
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the NBA with Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Kenny Smith, and
Ernie Johnson. It's hilarious if you have any familiarity with
NBA basketball. It was the goal standard for shows. You
had knowledgeable people, you had all sorts of humor. It
was kind of like the Barbershop just talking about basketball.
(10:27):
But with the recent rights deal in which NBA and
I think it's oh yeah, the Walt Disney Company in
Amazon Prime. And when I say Walt Disney Company, that
means ESPN they will have the rights to all the
NBA games, which left a lot of NBA fans in
panic because that meant T and T would not be
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televising any of the games, and there was a skill
they were afraid.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That Inside the NBA would no longer exist.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
There were some overt made to members of the Inside
the NBA team, including Charles Barkley, to come over to
NBC and reprise that show.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Just on a different network.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Charles Barkley, in an interview with sports personality Dan Levitard,
said that he left a minimum of one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Dollars on the table by staying with T and T.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Now, I want you to listen to what he says,
and then I'll give you my thoughts about what he
had to say on the other side.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But the number one thing for me is my people
are trying to get to keep their jobs for at
least another year, and that's all I was concerned with.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Charles, how much money do you think that you left
on the table and making that decision concerned about others?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
A minimum of one hundred million?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Jeez, A minimum?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, because I imagine it was a lot of fun
to be you recently, right in free agency. That had
to feel good even as you're thinking to yourself in
these meetings, because I talked to you a little bit,
at least you're like, I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It was a great feeling, and I want to thank
all those networks for reaching out to me. It was
really humbling and cool. It was really humbling and cool,
to be honest with you. I wasn't even thinking, like
I said Dan, even though they were throwing crazy numbers.
I was like, damn, But as long as I got
my people safe at TNT man, I feel really good.
Like I say, they gonna pay me to go and
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talk about nothing, so I can't look at give voice
in the mouth before we wait, Dan, I probably would
have had to do an honest day's work if I
went to one of those other networks.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We've had Charles Barkley on this show.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I don't disagree with what he's saying, but I am
going to disagree with some aspects of what he's saying.
He said that he left about one hundred million dollars
on the table because he would not go to NBC
and he wanted to make sure that people at TMT
Sports had their jobs for at least another year. There
was nothing preventing him, from what I could understand, since
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he had that type of leverage to take a lot
of people with him, or have some stipulation in some
sort of parachute for the people who would have remained
at T and T. Because if you know anything about
this business, there's still no guarantee for the people at
T and T. Why Because T and T Sports just
lost their Golden Goose to the NBA, So there's not
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going to be an inside the NBA show, which is
going to be produced through T and T, So there's
nothing guarding against those jobs.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Going away anyway.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
So I'm thinking, if I'm Charles Barkley and I have leverage,
it's like, you want me to come to NBC and
you're gonna pay me all this money. How about you
pay me a little bit less and then I get
to bring over ten or eleven people with me. Because
when I say with me, I assume NBC Sports is
they're going to do it out of New York. T
and T was done out of Atlanta, so there's some
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relocation costs and logistics which are probably woven into that.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Am I reading this wrong? Mark?
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Because I think like, if you have that much money
they're willing to throw at you, that you're the driver.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You can start dictating a few things, I suppose.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
But the first thing that occurred to me, and you
actually know a lot more about this than me, because
I don't follow sports, But how refreshing for somebody who
thought I have enough, I don't need this. I can
afford to do the decent thing here. The other thing
here and what you just said moving to Atlanta. You
can't put a priced egg on how miserable that would be.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Well, see, the thing is they're based in Atlanta, but
they would probably have to move to New York.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
T and T is based in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
The jobs I'm assuming are in Atlanta that he's trying
to save.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Okay, I almost had to move to New York for
a job a long time ago with Comedy Central. Believe
it or not, there's another one to add to your trivia.
I would do that a hundred times before I would
move to Atlanta. And I have been to Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
See, I've been to both, and I think the living
difficulties of New York are much more difficult than Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And Elmer please jump in.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
I know the cost of living is three times that
of Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
No, I've lived in Georgia and New York, so both
pros and cons. Cheaper right in Atlanta, but less to
do and more driving.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Barkley doesn't have to worry about that though. No, Barkley doesn't.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
But if we're just talking about saving jobs, staying at
T and T, I don't know if it's saved any jobs.
It might have given them, to his point, an extra year,
but it's for a show which doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So is he really.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Saving jobs like if because T and T Sports was
predicated on the NBA and T and T Sports doesn't
have the NBA anymore, which says to me they're probably
going to clean house unless they have another major sports
rights deal that I don't know about.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Your cynicism is killing me here, So no, it's not citizens.
I've just been in this business.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Long enough where look for going back to your altruism.
Now that T and T doesn't have an NBA lead
to promote, what's the point of holding on to these jobs?
And I think T and T is going to go
T and T as most corporations would and start cutting
jobs regardless because they're not producing any of these shows anymore,
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which are which were major cash coals for the network.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
You may very well be right about all that. It's
just again, it's so refreshing. We've become such pigs. It's
just refreshing for somebody to you run across in the
news who doesn't try and get everything they can, no
matter what, ostensibly for a decent reason. However, it pans out.
You may fully be right. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
It's almost like you're driving down the street and you
see a dog in a road and you're nice enough
to slow down and drive around it, but the next
a hole behind you is not most likely going to
slow down.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
They're just going to run the dog down. Yeah, and
that's their choice. But you can still be a decent
person and go home and live with yourself and look
at yourself in the mirror. So we don't have a
lot of examples like this currently.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, and that's from the guy who said that he's
not a role model. Do you remember that you no, No.
In Charles Barkley, he was known for this commercial. He
actually got a lot of pushback because he said that
he was not a role model.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Elmore is going to look it up. We'll play it
in the next segment.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
I do remember that, and I am one hundred percent
against the entire concept of the so called sports hero.
I think it's a contradiction in terms. Well, we'll play
it on the other side.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
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Speaker 6 (17:39):
We're going to talk about Rachel ray Gunn in just
a moment and the future of breakdancing. But want to
go back to last segment. We're talking about Charles Barkley.
How to Mark Runner's credit, he acknowledged that Charles Barkley
was doing something which was very unselfish, not leaving T
and T because he wanted to make sure that he
protected as best he could the jobs of people who
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worked with him and for him and around him at
T and T, and I was saying that was very
much a role model esque thing to do, which harkens
back to his commercial where he was roundly criticized for
saying in it. And this was like in the I
want to say, early nineteen nineties where he is not
a role model.
Speaker 10 (18:21):
I am not a role model. I'm not paid to
be a role model. I'm paid to Rika Havoc on
the basketball court. Parents should be role models. Just because
I dunkle basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Nike commercial, I didn't think it was all that controversial,
but it was back in the day. You know, it's
a commercial. He's selling shoes, he's not preaching in the pulpit.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But that was a reference for it, the culture reference
point mark.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I remember that, yeah, and it was a relief, honestly,
because how many times have we found sports celebrities who
were allegedly heroes to be just rotten people.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I fall somewhere in between.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
He may not be a role model, but a sports
figure is a public figure I think has a higher
responsibility to not be irresponsible and at least acknowledge that
they wield undue influence. Not raising kids, but as far
as what kids will emulate, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
I suppose you're right, But there's just nothing inherently to
me about somebody who excels at any athletic thing that
makes them morally or otherwise superior to anybody, unless they
prove in their behavior that they are. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, I just think that when you are someone in
entertainment and little kids look up to you literally and
and also socially, I think that you do have a
higher responsibility than the average person because you have a
wider sphere of influence.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Well, you'd say that about anybody, couldn't you an actor, politician,
or anybody who's a public person. Yes, and we're always
always disappointed. No, disappointed is one thing. I'm waiting for
a big scandal to come out about you. Oh, there're plenty.
Just keep on waiting. Now.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
My point is, I don't need someone to be a
moral list. I'm not a moralist. I'm not saying you
need to do this and be above moral reproach. I
am saying that, Let's say, me sitting in this chair,
I am aware that I have a higher responsibility than
the person who doesn't have a microphone and the ability
to speak to one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
People at a time.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I cannot be and I should not be careless in
the way that a person in their private conversation can
be careless.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I say, I call it respected the mic, but you
can respect the mic in other ways in different fields.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Well, there's a pragmatic aspect to that as well. Anybody
like you and I have had public jobs our entire
adult careers, and you just have to keep your nose
clean because you're going to get reported on in a
way that just a private person wouldn't. It's just a
matter of being pragmatic and knowing that you're going to
get busted like other people aren't.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, there's that, I mean, that's self preservation.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
But also I'm mindful like, for example, there's nothing I'm
going to say on the show that I wouldn't that
I would be embarrassed to have my mother listen to
or a child, you know, I'm mindful of that. That's
and and other people say like, well, why would you
worry about that? No, I think that I have a
larger responsibility. Not great power, great responsibility. I'm just saying
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that when you have something as powerful as Mike or celebrity.
I'm not talking about me, I'm just saying in general, yeah,
I think you do. You are rightfully held to a
higher standard.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Oh I agree with that, And I get in more
conversations behind the scenes that then even you know about
the responsibility of sending things out over the public airwaves.
You know how apoplectic I get about disinformation right stuff? Right,
that same thing. I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah, yeah,
But sports heroes, that's a whole different bag to me.
I mean I've covered I mean, I've said I don't
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follow sports, but I've covered sports things, and a lot
of athletes are just thugs.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I don't know about that, and.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
I don't mean that. There's no baggage that comes with
that word. I just mean, you know, I'm just saying,
you know.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
There is particular there's behavior as an emulation, and there
is the self acknowledgement that I, as a public person
who may dribble of basketball and make twenty million dollars
a year, I know that little kids want to grow
up and be like me.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And my movements, my words.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
My behavior is going to have a disproportionate impact on
those kids than to teach.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You're in the classroom. It's not fair, but it's a fact.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
No, no, But I realized you probably have always wanted
your face on a Wheati's box, haven't you. Nope, I
don't believe that because you've made references to wanting buildings
named after you.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's a big difference. Wheedy's boxes even a step down
from that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
No, Wheaty's boxes reserved for athletes, name on the building,
reserve for legends.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Point of clarification, let's talk about ray Gun real quick.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, we can carry her over into the next segment.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Ray Gun Rachel Gunn, the Australian breakdancer Air quotes who
represented Australia at the Olympics. She's received both hate and
praise coming out of the Olympics. Hate because some people
think that she culturally misappropriated the whole breakdancing.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Persona. It's not who she is.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
She hasn't lived it, she doesn't understand it, she doesn't
understand and its roots. And she's profiting for and I
want to use this is the word I use for cosplaying,
for playing a role being the worst breakdancer at the Olympics.
There have been some questions and debates about her qualifying
as the best breakdancer in Australia, and now she's on
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the precipice of monetizing it to the tune of million
dollars if you believe what the New York Post has said.
They said that she will probably gain millions in endorsements
from big tech, gambling companies, sports apparel and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Is she an athlete, No, She is a clown that
has made a mockery of a decade old art form
that comes from the Inner City, that was a form
of representation and that eventually became heralded as a true
dance form and recognized by the world and when it
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finally got its opportunity to get on the world stage,
she got up there and did the damn lawnmower.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
She is a clown. What is the lawnmower? Were you
just rolling around on the ground, that's the lawnmower. And
also did the sprinkler. It's one of these times where
you wish radio was and the kangaroo just literally I mean, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
It was clownish behavior, and your rewarding clownish behavior for
someone who obviously has no real connection to the different
elements of hip hop, break dancing being one. Now, I
don't care if she's has a PhD in dance or whatever.
She is profiting off of cosplaying, and I think that's
part of the reason why it's so distasteful for some.
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In fact, she got on Instagram and complained about all
the hate she received. I wouldn't want anyone to be
disrespectful to her or her family, but I damn sure
I'm going to call it for what it is, and
she's cose playing and profiting.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Hi, everyone, ray down here. I just want to start
by thanking all the people who have supported me. I
really appreciate the positivity and I'm glad I was able
to bring some joy into your lives. That's what I hoped.
I didn't realize that that would also open the door
to so much hate, which has frankly been pretty devastating. Well,
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I went out there and I had fun. I did
take it very seriously. I worked my butt off preparing
for the Olympics and I gave my all.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Truly, I'm on.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
It to have been a part of the Australian Olympic
team and to be part of Breaking's Olympic debut. What
the other athletes have achieved has just been phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Okay, I can't listen anymore. Also, we got to go
to break. But the bottom line is, I don't care
how hard she tried. I don't care how proud she is.
She obviously does not understand the whole point of breaking.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I don't care that she's even white. It's not that.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It's about not understanding the whole point of breakdancing. And
what she did on stage was disrespectful and mocked what
actual breakdancing was.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
She had no.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Business being on the same stage with actual breakdancers.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Oh, I got to read between the lines here a
little bit. But I'm guessing that she did not, in
fact bring joy to your life.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Literally, she is a step above the Hawk two girl
whoa Literally look, she might as well put out a
sex tape.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Literally, ray gun is trash dude spent on that night.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Here you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
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Speaker 6 (27:33):
Okay, before we get out of here, let's finish up
with ray Gunn, the so called breakdancer who's on the
precipice of making millions. I call this the William Hung effect.
Remember William Hung. He tried out for American Isle. He
was laughed at. He really had no business trying out
because he's not a singer and there was no chance
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of him actually being legitimately on the show. But but
I make one differentiation. William Hung eventually became self aware.
I think he realized, Okay, they're laughing at me, not
with me, but I'm gonna make the most of it,
and he did. Ray Gunn actually thinks that she is
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a legitimate breakdancer.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
She is not.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And name another sport, no excuse me, name another athlete
in the Olympics which is going to make millions. Of
dollars for coming in absolute last, and not not all
the sports are comparable, but in breaking you were paired up.
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You had a round robin tournament, and you went out
against each competitor and you were judged round by round.
She lost every round, She did not get one point.
She could not have done any worse than what she did,
and she's going to make millions, which says to me,
it's a mockery.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
But isn't it kind of like the Jamaican Bob sled
thing in the sense that it's people a team or
a competitor who you wouldn't expect him to be in
this particular event. But it's the novelty and just the
overall silliness of it. And by the way, Tauala compared
to her to the Hawktua girl. You watch your p's
(29:22):
and q's here, because there's going to be a Hawktua
event in the twenty twenty eight Games.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Let me take that, then you take it. Twala. You're
making Bob's led team. They got a story told about them,
they got a movie made about them, but you can't
name any of them. They did not make the type
of money that we're talking about here.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
That is one huge difference.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
And also I believe that they were earnest in their
attempts at Bob's ledding, even though they were horrible.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I don't believe that she's earnest in her attempts. Eddie
the Eagle remember him, Yeah, ed of the Eagle, he
has fifteen minutes of fame. I'm not against.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Fifteen minutes of fame, but they're not. And part of
this is social media, but they're not. They did not
receive the type of trappings that almost cussed Ray Gunn
is receiving.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah. No, seriously. The reason why this is created such.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Ire among those who grew up with watching, being around
and knowing individuals who actually are real breakers is that
this is someone who, from all appearances, did not take
it serious then or now. This is someone who manipulated
the entire competition.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
To get on.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
There is no way in hell she should have been
on that stage, and to go up there and do
what she did. It's almost as if this should not
be here. So I'm not gonna take it serious. I'm
up here clowning. I'm having fun. When there are actual,
actual people who this is how they make their living.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
This is a real art form to them.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
No, you're not gonna have someone go up and enter
a painting competent contest against Van God doing you know
crails your finger painting?
Speaker 7 (31:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Six Well this season of Killer Relationship, devotion becomes deadly when.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
They got together and hit it off from the second
day met She fell in love with him hard.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
They were going to be together forever. They were your
typical all American couple. They really loved each other. My grandfather,
who was such a loving person. Why would someone want
him dead?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
He is killed by the person who was supposed to
love him the most and should have appreciated him the most.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Shot jealous of my sister's missing. Where is she? They
could clearly see in the body. It was badly burned,
appeared to be a female pregnant.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Kf I Am six forty It's later with mo Kelly
were Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Faith Jenkins, former
criminal prosecutor at the Manhattan DA's Office, explores the heart
stopping details of murders traced back to romantic liaisons and
close friendships that seemed perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
At least on the surface.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Such sets the stage for the new third season of
Killer Relationship with Faith Jenkins on NBC's Oxygen Channel and
Peacock's Dreaming app. Killer Relationship examines murder cases that began
with romantic relationships or close friendships that tragically went awry.
Joining me now is its host and executive producer Ms.
Faith Jenkins. Faith a pleasure to finally meet you and
(01:34):
speak with you. How are you this evening?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I'm great. Thank you so much for that amazing introduction.
MO I need you to come on the road with me.
That was very compelling.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, don't promise me a good time.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
You have litigated Wall Street cases, family court and all
sorts of disputes in between. What has your law career
taught you about human nature?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think it's taught me that the human experience is
very intriguing and I'm always looking to gain insight into
the human mind and find out why people make the
decisions that they make. And what I found is is
for different reasons. People have secrets, they don't want to
(02:18):
be exposed, They have issues with insecurity, jealousy, greed, and
you know what's so interesting mode most of us can
relate to having a relationship in our life in one
way or another, whether it's a significant other, a family
or a friend, and most of us can relate to
a relationship not working out. For the most part, people
are able to go their separate ways. We all cope
(02:41):
differently with a relationship ending. But why is it? And
this is the question I think the show answers, why
is it that in some cases people feel that someone
else has to die?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Why do people go from I do to I hope
you die? And we find that out in Killer Relationship
with Faith Jenkins. But let me ask you another Jason question.
You're a litigator, you're an executive producer and host. You
have to keep emotional distance from victims or clients and
their families. But when putting a show together like this,
(03:12):
what's the key to remaining passionate about the subject matter
but dispassionate in your approach.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's a great question. There are a couple of things. One,
we don't do any cases on the show without the
blessing of the family, and I want listeners to know
that because for me, what makes it all worthwhile is
being able to tell these people's story and knowing that
we're sharing a story that their legacy is not their murder,
(03:42):
it's not how they died, is how they live. So
that's the emotional aspect that because I'm still human, I've
had all these cases and I've heard a lot of
things throughout my career, but I'm still human, so there's
always going to be a level of compassion empathy there.
And I address that in a way though with connecting
with these families and allowing them to share their loved
(04:03):
one story. The other side of me, the investigator, the
trained investigator, the former prosecutor. I want people to know
how these crimes are solved because people always think they're
going to get away with it. They plan it hoping
and thinking that they're going to get away with it.
There's a level of investigation involved in these cases on
(04:24):
this series because we always choose cases, you know, it
is television where the perpetrator isn't called right away, and
there has to be a level of investigation, and we
take viewers through that level of investigation, and that's the
bread and butter. I think that makes shows like this
work because you see the beginning, who the person is,
the victim, their family, You see this investigation. In the end,
(04:47):
you have some semblance of justice being served. You can
never have true justice because someone's life is gone, but
you can have accountability.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
You've been telling us in a general sense about what
we should expect in this new season of relationship with
Faith Jenkins. But on the other side of telling these stories,
which have been endorsed if you will, by the family,
does the family from what you've seen, find a measure
of closure or satisfaction from getting the whole story out there?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know, families have different reactions both. Some families don't
want to be on TV. They don't want to share
the story, and we respect that, you know, we accept
that and we move on to the next case that
we want to pursue, because we spend months researching what
cases we want to do in narrowing down to thirteen.
But for the families who do want to be on
the show, I think it helps to talk about their
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loved one, to talk about the life that they live,
because these are not celebrity cases. These are not people
whose lives were in the spotlight. They live pretty quiet,
normal lives, everyday people. So for a lot of them,
it's the first time that they get to talk about
their family member on a national and international scale and
(05:57):
talk about who they were. So for a lot of them,
it's a part of I think they're grieving and their
healing process, which is ongoing as they go through the
significant impact of losing their loved one and what that means.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
You have investigated and covered and shared any number of
cases related to killer relationship with Faith Jenkins. Have you
noticed along the way or subsequently any common threads which
takes a bad breakup and turns it violent or deadly.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think that I've noticed a pattern of people who
have secrets, and when they think those secrets are about
to be exposed, people react very differently to that. Some
people will go through great lengths to keep their secret
a secret. So I've noticed that as a pattern. I've
(06:53):
noticed that the pressures of life when you start having children,
when they're financial pressure and you have all of these
things piling on.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
There's the show called Snapped.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's called Snapped for a reason some people, because I
mean our premiere episode, we're talking about teachers. One as
a high school teacher, one is a professor, not so
much even as a traffic ticket and all of a
sudden you have this premeditated plan for months homicide taking place,
(07:26):
and it's so shocking to the community. So there are
somewhere you know it's just a matter of time before
this taking time bomb just goes off.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
In the beginning of our conversation you alluded to the
fact and I'm paraphrasing that you're human like the rest
of us paraphrasing. I wonder, though, and this is just
between you and me. Nobody's listening. It's not like you're
on the number one news talk station in America. Not
not at all.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But you know, if you were to keep this amo
so right.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Right, do you because of this show specifically, do you
ever look at your own own friendships or family circle
just a little bit differently and maybe say, hmmm, I
wonder if that is a clue or possibly an indicator
of something else.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Do you look at your own relationships differently?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think I think that once I started prosecuting cases,
I think I looked at everyone differently. And you know,
I have an eighteen month old daughter and my husband
tells me all the time, I don't trust it, you know,
because we know we have to hire nanny their babyfitters.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And he tells me I have prust issues. I said,
I know, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I work at crime, working in crime, you know, for
fifteen years now. So I tell him I look at
everything that people do. I just see the world in
a different way. So I will admit that I am
sort of like constantly looking for these red flags for
better or worse. But I actually think it's a good
(08:50):
thing because as you go through life and you have
these experiences, what I've seen from and I've heard from
people through the years is wow, you know, but I
didn't think this was a red flag. But now looking back,
I should have caught this. And so when you've heard
that so many times throughout the course of your careers,
like I've compiled a list in my own head, and
(09:13):
I just sort of go through life now with a
different lens of how I see people in the world.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well, your husband, Kitty Latimore, he better sleep with one
eye open Season three of Killer Relationship with Faith Jenkins
on NBC's True Crime Network, Oxygen and the Peacock streaming app.
Faith Jenkins, thank you so much for coming on the
first time we had a chance to talk, and I
hope won't be the last.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
It's Later with mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty. We're
live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
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KFI AM six.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Forty, the NBA on T and T and we have
been following the story of how T and T was
desperately trying to hand hang on to the NBA television
rights because T and T had the most popular broadcast
analysis show in all of sports, T and T's Inside
(10:07):
the NBA with Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Kenny Smith, and
Ernie Johnson. It's hilarious if you have any familiarity with
NBA basketball. It was the goal standard for shows. You
had knowledgeable people, you had all sorts of humor. It
was kind of like the Barbershop just talking about basketball.
(10:27):
But with the recent rights deal in which NBA and
I think it's oh yeah, the Walt Disney Company in
Amazon Prime. And when I say Walt Disney Company, that
means ESPN they will have the rights to all the
NBA games, which left a lot of NBA fans in
panic because that meant T and T would not be
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televising any of the games, and there was a skill
they were afraid.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That Inside the NBA would no longer exist.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
There were some overt made to members of the Inside
the NBA team, including Charles Barkley, to come over to
NBC and reprise that show.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Just on a different network.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Charles Barkley, in an interview with sports personality Dan Levitard,
said that he left a minimum of one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Dollars on the table by staying with T and T.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Now, I want you to listen to what he says,
and then I'll give you my thoughts about what he
had to say on the other side.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But the number one thing for me is my people
are trying to get to keep their jobs for at
least another year, and that's all I was concerned with.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Charles, how much money do you think that you left
on the table and making that decision concerned about others?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
A minimum of one hundred million?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Jeez, A minimum?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, because I imagine it was a lot of fun
to be you recently, right in free agency. That had
to feel good even as you're thinking to yourself in
these meetings, because I talked to you a little bit,
at least you're like, I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It was a great feeling, and I want to thank
all those networks for reaching out to me. It was
really humbling and cool. It was really humbling and cool,
to be honest with you. I wasn't even thinking, like
I said Dan, even though they were throwing crazy numbers.
I was like, damn, But as long as I got
my people safe at TNT man, I feel really good.
Like I say, they gonna pay me to go and
(12:20):
talk about nothing, so I can't look at give voice
in the mouth before we wait, Dan, I probably would
have had to do an honest day's work if I
went to one of those other networks.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We've had Charles Barkley on this show.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I don't disagree with what he's saying, but I am
going to disagree with some aspects of what he's saying.
He said that he left about one hundred million dollars
on the table because he would not go to NBC
and he wanted to make sure that people at TMT
Sports had their jobs for at least another year. There
was nothing preventing him, from what I could understand, since
(12:54):
he had that type of leverage to take a lot
of people with him, or have some stipulation in some
sort of parachute for the people who would have remained
at T and T. Because if you know anything about
this business, there's still no guarantee for the people at
T and T. Why Because T and T Sports just
lost their Golden Goose to the NBA, So there's not
(13:17):
going to be an inside the NBA show, which is
going to be produced through T and T, So there's
nothing guarding against those jobs.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Going away anyway.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
So I'm thinking, if I'm Charles Barkley and I have leverage,
it's like, you want me to come to NBC and
you're gonna pay me all this money. How about you
pay me a little bit less and then I get
to bring over ten or eleven people with me. Because
when I say with me, I assume NBC Sports is
they're going to do it out of New York. T
and T was done out of Atlanta, so there's some
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relocation costs and logistics which are probably woven into that.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Am I reading this wrong? Mark?
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Because I think like, if you have that much money
they're willing to throw at you, that you're the driver.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You can start dictating a few things, I suppose.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
But the first thing that occurred to me, and you
actually know a lot more about this than me, because
I don't follow sports, But how refreshing for somebody who
thought I have enough, I don't need this. I can
afford to do the decent thing here. The other thing
here and what you just said moving to Atlanta. You
can't put a priced egg on how miserable that would be.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Well, see, the thing is they're based in Atlanta, but
they would probably have to move to New York.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
T and T is based in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
The jobs I'm assuming are in Atlanta that he's trying
to save.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Okay, I almost had to move to New York for
a job a long time ago with Comedy Central. Believe
it or not, there's another one to add to your trivia.
I would do that a hundred times before I would
move to Atlanta. And I have been to Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
See, I've been to both, and I think the living
difficulties of New York are much more difficult than Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And Elmer please jump in.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
I know the cost of living is three times that
of Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
No, I've lived in Georgia and New York, so both
pros and cons. Cheaper right in Atlanta, but less to
do and more driving.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Barkley doesn't have to worry about that though. No, Barkley doesn't.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
But if we're just talking about saving jobs, staying at
T and T, I don't know if it's saved any jobs.
It might have given them, to his point, an extra year,
but it's for a show which doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So is he really.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Saving jobs like if because T and T Sports was
predicated on the NBA and T and T Sports doesn't
have the NBA anymore, which says to me they're probably
going to clean house unless they have another major sports
rights deal that I don't know about.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Your cynicism is killing me here, So no, it's not citizens.
I've just been in this business.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Long enough where look for going back to your altruism.
Now that T and T doesn't have an NBA lead
to promote, what's the point of holding on to these jobs?
And I think T and T is going to go
T and T as most corporations would and start cutting
jobs regardless because they're not producing any of these shows anymore,
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which are which were major cash coals for the network.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
You may very well be right about all that. It's
just again, it's so refreshing. We've become such pigs. It's
just refreshing for somebody to you run across in the
news who doesn't try and get everything they can, no
matter what, ostensibly for a decent reason. However, it pans out.
You may fully be right. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
It's almost like you're driving down the street and you
see a dog in a road and you're nice enough
to slow down and drive around it, but the next
a hole behind you is not most likely going to
slow down.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
They're just going to run the dog down. Yeah, and
that's their choice. But you can still be a decent
person and go home and live with yourself and look
at yourself in the mirror. So we don't have a
lot of examples like this currently.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, and that's from the guy who said that he's
not a role model. Do you remember that you no, No.
In Charles Barkley, he was known for this commercial. He
actually got a lot of pushback because he said that
he was not a role model.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Elmore is going to look it up. We'll play it
in the next segment.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
I do remember that, and I am one hundred percent
against the entire concept of the so called sports hero.
I think it's a contradiction in terms. Well, we'll play
it on the other side.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
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Speaker 6 (17:39):
We're going to talk about Rachel ray Gunn in just
a moment and the future of breakdancing. But want to
go back to last segment. We're talking about Charles Barkley.
How to Mark Runner's credit, he acknowledged that Charles Barkley
was doing something which was very unselfish, not leaving T
and T because he wanted to make sure that he
protected as best he could the jobs of people who
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worked with him and for him and around him at
T and T, and I was saying that was very
much a role model esque thing to do, which harkens
back to his commercial where he was roundly criticized for
saying in it. And this was like in the I
want to say, early nineteen nineties where he is not
a role model.
Speaker 10 (18:21):
I am not a role model. I'm not paid to
be a role model. I'm paid to Rika Havoc on
the basketball court. Parents should be role models. Just because
I dunkle basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Nike commercial, I didn't think it was all that controversial,
but it was back in the day. You know, it's
a commercial. He's selling shoes, he's not preaching in the pulpit.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But that was a reference for it, the culture reference
point mark.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I remember that, yeah, and it was a relief, honestly,
because how many times have we found sports celebrities who
were allegedly heroes to be just rotten people.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I fall somewhere in between.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
He may not be a role model, but a sports
figure is a public figure I think has a higher
responsibility to not be irresponsible and at least acknowledge that
they wield undue influence. Not raising kids, but as far
as what kids will emulate, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
I suppose you're right, But there's just nothing inherently to
me about somebody who excels at any athletic thing that
makes them morally or otherwise superior to anybody, unless they
prove in their behavior that they are. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, I just think that when you are someone in
entertainment and little kids look up to you literally and
and also socially, I think that you do have a
higher responsibility than the average person because you have a
wider sphere of influence.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Well, you'd say that about anybody, couldn't you an actor, politician,
or anybody who's a public person. Yes, and we're always
always disappointed. No, disappointed is one thing. I'm waiting for
a big scandal to come out about you. Oh, there're plenty.
Just keep on waiting. Now.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
My point is, I don't need someone to be a
moral list. I'm not a moralist. I'm not saying you
need to do this and be above moral reproach. I
am saying that, Let's say, me sitting in this chair,
I am aware that I have a higher responsibility than
the person who doesn't have a microphone and the ability
to speak to one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
People at a time.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I cannot be and I should not be careless in
the way that a person in their private conversation can
be careless.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I say, I call it respected the mic, but you
can respect the mic in other ways in different fields.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Well, there's a pragmatic aspect to that as well. Anybody
like you and I have had public jobs our entire
adult careers, and you just have to keep your nose
clean because you're going to get reported on in a
way that just a private person wouldn't. It's just a
matter of being pragmatic and knowing that you're going to
get busted like other people aren't.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, there's that, I mean, that's self preservation.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
But also I'm mindful like, for example, there's nothing I'm
going to say on the show that I wouldn't that
I would be embarrassed to have my mother listen to
or a child, you know, I'm mindful of that. That's
and and other people say like, well, why would you
worry about that? No, I think that I have a
larger responsibility. Not great power, great responsibility. I'm just saying
(21:45):
that when you have something as powerful as Mike or celebrity.
I'm not talking about me, I'm just saying in general, yeah,
I think you do. You are rightfully held to a
higher standard.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Oh I agree with that, And I get in more
conversations behind the scenes that then even you know about
the responsibility of sending things out over the public airwaves.
You know how apoplectic I get about disinformation right stuff? Right,
that same thing. I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah, yeah,
But sports heroes, that's a whole different bag to me.
I mean I've covered I mean, I've said I don't
(22:17):
follow sports, but I've covered sports things, and a lot
of athletes are just thugs.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I don't know about that, and.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
I don't mean that. There's no baggage that comes with
that word. I just mean, you know, I'm just saying,
you know.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
There is particular there's behavior as an emulation, and there
is the self acknowledgement that I, as a public person
who may dribble of basketball and make twenty million dollars
a year, I know that little kids want to grow
up and be like me.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And my movements, my words.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
My behavior is going to have a disproportionate impact on
those kids than to teach.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You're in the classroom. It's not fair, but it's a fact.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
No, no, But I realized you probably have always wanted
your face on a Wheati's box, haven't you. Nope, I
don't believe that because you've made references to wanting buildings
named after you.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's a big difference. Wheedy's boxes even a step down
from that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
No, Wheaty's boxes reserved for athletes, name on the building,
reserve for legends.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Point of clarification, let's talk about ray Gun real quick.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, we can carry her over into the next segment.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Ray Gun Rachel Gunn, the Australian breakdancer Air quotes who
represented Australia at the Olympics. She's received both hate and
praise coming out of the Olympics. Hate because some people
think that she culturally misappropriated the whole breakdancing.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Persona. It's not who she is.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
She hasn't lived it, she doesn't understand it, she doesn't
understand and its roots. And she's profiting for and I
want to use this is the word I use for cosplaying,
for playing a role being the worst breakdancer at the Olympics.
There have been some questions and debates about her qualifying
as the best breakdancer in Australia, and now she's on
(24:20):
the precipice of monetizing it to the tune of million
dollars if you believe what the New York Post has said.
They said that she will probably gain millions in endorsements
from big tech, gambling companies, sports apparel and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Is she an athlete, No, She is a clown that
has made a mockery of a decade old art form
that comes from the Inner City, that was a form
of representation and that eventually became heralded as a true
dance form and recognized by the world and when it
(24:56):
finally got its opportunity to get on the world stage,
she got up there and did the damn lawnmower.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
She is a clown. What is the lawnmower? Were you
just rolling around on the ground, that's the lawnmower. And
also did the sprinkler. It's one of these times where
you wish radio was and the kangaroo just literally I mean, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
It was clownish behavior, and your rewarding clownish behavior for
someone who obviously has no real connection to the different
elements of hip hop, break dancing being one. Now, I
don't care if she's has a PhD in dance or whatever.
She is profiting off of cosplaying, and I think that's
part of the reason why it's so distasteful for some.
(25:36):
In fact, she got on Instagram and complained about all
the hate she received. I wouldn't want anyone to be
disrespectful to her or her family, but I damn sure
I'm going to call it for what it is, and
she's cose playing and profiting.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Hi, everyone, ray down here. I just want to start
by thanking all the people who have supported me. I
really appreciate the positivity and I'm glad I was able
to bring some joy into your lives. That's what I hoped.
I didn't realize that that would also open the door
to so much hate, which has frankly been pretty devastating. Well,
(26:14):
I went out there and I had fun. I did
take it very seriously. I worked my butt off preparing
for the Olympics and I gave my all.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Truly, I'm on.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
It to have been a part of the Australian Olympic
team and to be part of Breaking's Olympic debut. What
the other athletes have achieved has just been phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Okay, I can't listen anymore. Also, we got to go
to break. But the bottom line is, I don't care
how hard she tried. I don't care how proud she is.
She obviously does not understand the whole point of breaking.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I don't care that she's even white. It's not that.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It's about not understanding the whole point of breakdancing. And
what she did on stage was disrespectful and mocked what
actual breakdancing was.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
She had no.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Business being on the same stage with actual breakdancers.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Oh, I got to read between the lines here a
little bit. But I'm guessing that she did not, in
fact bring joy to your life.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Literally, she is a step above the Hawk two girl
whoa Literally look, she might as well put out a
sex tape.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Literally, ray gun is trash dude spent on that night.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Here you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
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Speaker 6 (27:33):
Okay, before we get out of here, let's finish up
with ray Gunn, the so called breakdancer who's on the
precipice of making millions. I call this the William Hung effect.
Remember William Hung. He tried out for American Isle. He
was laughed at. He really had no business trying out
because he's not a singer and there was no chance
(27:54):
of him actually being legitimately on the show. But but
I make one differentiation. William Hung eventually became self aware.
I think he realized, Okay, they're laughing at me, not
with me, but I'm gonna make the most of it,
and he did. Ray Gunn actually thinks that she is
(28:17):
a legitimate breakdancer.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
She is not.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And name another sport, no excuse me, name another athlete
in the Olympics which is going to make millions. Of
dollars for coming in absolute last, and not not all
the sports are comparable, but in breaking you were paired up.
(28:42):
You had a round robin tournament, and you went out
against each competitor and you were judged round by round.
She lost every round, She did not get one point.
She could not have done any worse than what she did,
and she's going to make millions, which says to me,
it's a mockery.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
But isn't it kind of like the Jamaican Bob sled
thing in the sense that it's people a team or
a competitor who you wouldn't expect him to be in
this particular event. But it's the novelty and just the
overall silliness of it. And by the way, Tauala compared
to her to the Hawktua girl. You watch your p's
(29:22):
and q's here, because there's going to be a Hawktua
event in the twenty twenty eight Games.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Let me take that, then you take it. Twala. You're
making Bob's led team. They got a story told about them,
they got a movie made about them, but you can't
name any of them. They did not make the type
of money that we're talking about here.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
That is one huge difference.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
And also I believe that they were earnest in their
attempts at Bob's ledding, even though they were horrible.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I don't believe that she's earnest in her attempts. Eddie
the Eagle remember him, Yeah, ed of the Eagle, he
has fifteen minutes of fame. I'm not against.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Fifteen minutes of fame, but they're not. And part of
this is social media, but they're not. They did not
receive the type of trappings that almost cussed Ray Gunn
is receiving.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah. No, seriously. The reason why this is created such.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Ire among those who grew up with watching, being around
and knowing individuals who actually are real breakers is that
this is someone who, from all appearances, did not take
it serious then or now. This is someone who manipulated
the entire competition.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
To get on.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
There is no way in hell she should have been
on that stage, and to go up there and do
what she did. It's almost as if this should not
be here. So I'm not gonna take it serious. I'm
up here clowning. I'm having fun. When there are actual,
actual people who this is how they make their living.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
This is a real art form to them.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
No, you're not gonna have someone go up and enter
a painting competent contest against Van God doing you know
crails your finger painting?
Speaker 7 (31:17):
You're does not not someone to pull their ears. All right,
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