August 27, 2024 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look at the weekend box office AND the story of Michael Uslan, the “Originator & Executive Producer of the Batman/Dark Knight/Joker/The Batman movie franchise” being brought to life in a stage play based on his memoir 'The Boy Who Loved Batman' and MORE - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Before the show, oftentimes we'll sit around and just talk
about what we've seen over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Stuff we like, stuff we don't like.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Will warn each other, Hey, you better not waste your
time on this, so you better spend your time doing this.
Much to my surprise, when we had our conversation tonight
before the show, I was sitting down with Tawala and
he was letting me know his review of it hurts.
You know, Alien's Romulus. I thought that you love it.
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Mark thought, did you love it? You didn't love it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I was first two acts, I thought I was good.
I liked how it carried on the Alien story, like
how it was set in that universe. But there are
too many silly things that happened, and by the time
it got to that third act, I was just outdone
with some of the stupid things that happened and the
ridiculousness of the final over reveal of the creature. It
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was just I just I was laughing in the theater.
I was like, get me out of here. The redo
of the Ripley line facing the Queen Alien, don't give
it a.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
No what I'm saying that was stupid.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Again, there was just so many things that happened when
I said to myself, Okay, you really really.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let me down in the end.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I would see another edition of this if they're going
to continue off with this franchis, because there was still
a lot of things set in the Aliens universe, but
no and Aliens. This was not Alien. This was not
This was kind of like something for people who never
saw those movies.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Interestingly enough, it is still the number two movie in America.
It brought in sixteen point three million this week, and
it even added thirty theaters, which you don't usually see
for horror movies. They don't usually add theaters like that,
so it was up to thirty nine hundred theater or
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screens and it brought in sixteen million, coming number two,
number one, the biggest movie of the summer. Possibly when
all is Sudden done, Deadpool and Wolverine is back to
number one. Brought in eighteen million. It's gross domestically is
five hundred and seventy seven million. It's one point two
billion worldwide. I don't know if it'll be able to
catch Inside Out too. It's less likely, but it's still
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hanging in there, coming at number three. It ends with us,
I don't know who's seeing that movie. I really have
no idea. Romantics, yeah, but I just don't know of
anyone in my friends circle and family who's seen it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Blake twice.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
First week out failed miserably with seven point three million
given all the promotion for it, and it did fourteen
million worldwide, so it was released internationally as well. Surprisingly,
we spoke to the star of the movie The Forge.
You heard him on the show, Aspen Kennedy, and The
Forge only had a budget of five million dollars but
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still came in fifth this week with more than six
point six million in domestic ticket sales. Word, why do
you think that is?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I think that The Forge had quite possibly one of
the most aggressive and successful social media campaigns I have
ever seen. I mean, it was posted on every page
that I visited as if it was an actual personality,
posting stories about itself, from the conversations with the actors, a.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Pair of clips, everything.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I mean, this thing was everywhere social media wise, and
I think that's what grabbed people. Just people wanted to
see what the hype was all about.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I wonder if we're not at a point where that
will be the main way in which movies are going
to be promoted, because it's one thing to put a
trailer in theater, but it's actually much more i'll say impactful.
If you have a trailer which goes viral online. Yeah, yeah,
and you have people talking about the movie online having
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nothing to do with whether a trailer is available in theaters.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Absolutely, I mean, because you got to think, even with
Blink Twight doing as well as it did or not
as well as it did, but Blink twits having as
much promotion as it had, there was nothing about it online.
There was no one talking about online, there was no presence.
And so that's why yet people are still talking about
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Deadpool Wolverine, still saying you got to see it, see
the third time, see it in three D, go see
it because you got to see it, And that's it.
In Aliens Romulus, I mean, yeah, it's still relatively new,
so like I saw it this past weekend, So that's
why that came in number two. But a film like
The Forge five, it's already made its money back.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And then some give some other context, the Forge was
only in eighteen hundred theaters brought in six million. Blink
Twice was in three thousand and sixty seven theaters Okay,
not twice as much, but almost as twice as much
and brought in only seven point three million. So the
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perse screen average for the Forge was thirty six hundred
dollars and the perse screen average for Blink Twice was
twenty three hundred. The Forge was overperforming by just about
any metric, and I would be curious to see if
the word of mouth still matches up with the pre
promotion online because if it is, or if it does,
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it'll probably be expanded to more theaters and they'll have
even a better weekend second weekend if they can expand
that word of.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Mouth hopefully, because it has a really, really endearing and
needed story right now.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But the real story of the week coming in at
number eight, Twisters was number six, Core Line with number seven,
but coming in at number eight was the Trash Bend
Fire better known as the Crow.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You heard from Mark Rodner.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Who said do not watch this movie or something to
that effect.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, it was a code brown for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It only brought in four point six million I don't
know what the budget it was, but four point six
million was not what they were hoping for.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's gonna lose money.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think we're guaranteed of that, and it's too bad
because it's got a lot of like unearned goodwill. People
love the Crow, but not a great job with that story.
And I, you know, listening to Tuala's criticisms of Alien Romulus,
I actually don't disagree with anything he said. I just
to me, the pluses outweighed the minuses more. I like
the action, I like the atmosphere, and I thought it
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was better than most of the sequels. But I really
can't disagree with him on anything.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I didn't disagree with him either, It's just that his
concerns didn't bother me as much. Like, for example, you
can say this plot point sucked or this was unbelievable.
So yeah, but they were minor to me because I
was comparing it as far as feeling experience storyline with
Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and I thought Prometheus had such
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potential and then the movie did not meet his potential,
and Alien Covenant just sucked beginning to and it didn't
tie together any of the threads really from Prometheus, and
it told a completely different story with David that I
expected to see and so I got nothing out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, Prometheus and Covenant really kind of swung big, and
Romulus it felt to me more like a B movie
almost it was.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It was sci fi level to me. It was like
something that could have been on the Sci Fire or
should have been on streaming. If it was on streaming,
I probably have been like this is racks. Yeah, but
like going to go see that in the theater, I
was like, this is streaming quality.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Acting.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It needed one star that much, I will say it
needed one star. Did not have any stars.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, there's nobody in the cast that I cared about
if they lived or died, and nobody we really even
got to know. And the audio was so garbled that
it was even hard to hear what they were to
understand what they were saying to each other.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But I still enjoyed the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Maybe it's just managing level of expectations when you go
to see a movie, because my last two experiences with
the Alien franchise actually like the last four or five
if you want to throw an alien versus Predator, they
weren't enjoyable. So I didn't have high expectations, and for me,
I thought it was a fitting addition to that universe.
I don't think he'll ever be able to recapture the
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magic of Alien because it was a straight horror movie.
We talked about this and it was so very different
from everything we had seen as far as space movies go.
We've seen horror movies, we've seen i'll say space disasters,
but we have seen hadn't seen a space horror disaster
the likes of Alien in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It was a real brilliant mashup and well done too.
I mean there had been sci fi movies that had
done similar things before, like Pardon me It, the Terror
from Beyond Space, which a lot of people have cited
as the inspiration for the movie. I don't know how
much they took from that, but they really, you know,
they did, like what Spielberg did with Raiders of the
Lost Arc. They took a bunch of crappy old things
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that they loved and just put them together and gave
them the Cadillac treatment.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean, I guess that's what George Lucas did with
Star Wars, the whole spaghetti western.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Well with old specifically like Buck Rogers type of movie series,
right right, Well, you know, although Twalla hated it, I'll
just say he hated it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
No, let's not say hated it. But I can't recommend
it in good faith.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Even worse, you didn't bring us the alien head popcorn bucket.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I really wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I wouldn't put any more money into that, and I
literally walked out or thinking to myself, Man, if that
would have been online, I would have been happy. But
now I'm going home disgruntled. And that's it. Well hopefully proud. Yeah,
I mean the The Killer was an okay, kind of
like British take on John Woo's classic Killer.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Is that Netflix?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's a peacock. Peacock. I just watched that last night.
We're talking about that now, yeah the Killer? No, no, no,
the Killer was.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I was wondering what in God's name was the intent
with that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like is this like it
looked like more like a television series not a film,
Like I should have been broken up into a bunch
of episodes and could have been a British kind of something.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, like did John woo need to make what was
going on? Oh? They just mailed it in. I don't
know it's good.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I'm still formulating my thoughts and I think I fell
asleep before the very end of it, so I don't
know how it ends.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Did you get all the way through it? Twala? Yeah,
I saw the end. I saw that. Is it worth finishing?
That's the main question.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It ends in a traditional, over the top, unnecessary you
can't do that action fashion. But the whole film was
like that. The whole thing was like, wait what you
can't do that? But you know, but they did it,
Like there was some moves that they did that. I
was like, John Wu is high when he's doing this.
Will was absolutely on was yeah, he was copying himself.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And even with the to an extent with the shootout
in the hospital hallway where they shoot out all the
all the panes of glass, I really was wondering. I
have to find out more about what the intent was
behind all that, because if you remember the original Killer
with Chow Yun Fat, that's an untouchable classic.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Before we get out of here, what's the last best
thing that John Wu has done?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Well, I don't know what he's what he did after
that Mission Impossible movie that was any good? Did he
kind of disappear in the US after that for a while. Yeah,
that's what I'm trying to think of. I can't think of.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Something because the replacement Killer was that was like streaming
rated s for streaming, But I wasn't like, oh, man,
that's in my collection.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, but if you only have done The Killers and
Hard Boiled, that's enough for one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Lifetime, Nash. I don't know. We'll debate that some other time.
It's Later with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and we have
a Batman connection to the show and an update connection
to a different show a play. What are you talking about, Moe, Well,
Batman has a direct connection to this show.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We'll tell you why and just a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Maybe you're familiar with one iteration of Batman. Maybe you're
a fan of the TV show from the nineties sixties.
Maybe you're a fan of the Christian Bale Dark Knight version.
Maybe you're a fan of George Clooney or Michael Keaton,
any number, Val Kilmer. You know, if you're familiar with
any of those Batman's, if you're familiar with Lego Batman,
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if you're familiar with any Batman televised or cinematic property,
they are all owned by one person, just one. His
name is Michael Eusland, and he's been on this show.
I want to say what four or five times by now?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yes, well, yeah, at least he's a very close friend
of the show.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
If you see Batman in a movie like Justice League,
he has to sign off on it. If you see
Batman in any capacity, I'm not talking about a Bruce
Wayne character that maybe some legals there, but if you
see Batman on screen, it has to go by Michael Eusland.
Animated films too, that's right, yep. Animn Joker and that's right.
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He was one of the preciage jokers.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Anything related to Batman that has to do with on screen, smaller,
big screen, Michael Eusland has to sign off on it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
The first time he came on.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
The show, it was back on the Mo Kelly Show.
He was talking about his memoir and it's called The
Boy Who Loved Batman, told his origin, told about his
growing up as a geek who went from teaching a
comic book class as a junior at Indiana University to
working at DC during the summers. He went to law
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school and then had got a job at United Artists.
Next he had a front seat to the rise of
early comic book movies, specifically.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Batman, and he, through a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Troubles difficulties, managed to secure the rights to Batman back
when it was not popular, back when no one was
really checking for Battman, and he was the one who
came up with the idea of bringing a serious Batman
to the big screen because people were familiar with the
Adam West Batman. They were you know, the the pow
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and the sound effects and the comic book feel to it,
not real menacing, not the dark Knight. Well, Michael Houston
brought that version of Batman to the big screen and
I would say it forever changed movies since then. If
you want to talk about superhero movies and the superhero
movies fatigue, it always goes back to that first Batman
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movie of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And his genius of going to Warner Brothers, going to
DC and securing the film rights for this when again,
when no one was checking for it was an absolute
stroke of genius and essentially got it for next to
nothing when you consider what he got out of it
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or what he paid for it, and what he's getting
out of it now. Man, and he is still the
one of the geekiest, nerdiest individuals you will ever talk to.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
He is, he is, He is such a great guy.
His memoir what I told you, was called The Boy
Who Loved Batman. Well, it is going to be produced
as a stage play, and do you know who they're
going to get to play Michael Uselin Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I do not know.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And I've always been curious about how he got that
satanic deal that he controls this, Like what did he
pay for this?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, we have to listen to the Mokel Show. I
think i'll post that so he can tell the story himself. Yeah,
I gotta find this out. I'll find it for you.
But he's going to have If you're a fan of
Fantastic Beasts, you know Dan Folkler, he's going to play
Michael Euseland in his stage play.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I like that, and I know the stage play is
starting in Florida. But with how connected did we are
to theater and with that Michael, do it to Michael
as well. It is my hope that we can even
you know, reach out to Michael and say, hey, bring
this to LA.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
We actually know some people.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Who you know, run a theater to out here that
we can maybe, look, we need to be a part
of bringing this to LA.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
They're connected to Nitalanders, so I don't know if they'll
need our help.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But the play.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The play will run from October first through November tenth
in Tampa, and they want to get it to Broadway.
But I'm quite sure you know, they'll they'll get it there.
And this is something where I would love, love, love
to see to your point twelve, to see it grow
to become a national thing. You know that it actually
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gets to Broadway, that we have a role in that.
I don't think they'll need us, but it'd be nice to,
uh to have a role in that.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And have you had have you.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Ever had a chance to meet Michael Eustland yet, Mark
and all of your travels, we.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Have come across each other's paths book work. We both
did stuff for Dynamite and I think it was when
I was writing The Avenger The Old Pulpiro and he
was doing like The Shadow or something like that. They
would always have creators interview each other and sometimes it
works out really well, like I think Eustland was a good,
sharp guy who had read the stuff and was asking
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intelligent questions. Other times it's just phoned in garbage from
people who obviously haven't read what they're talking about. Right,
Euceland struck me as a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
He's smart guy, genuine guy. He's no false pretenses. You
would never know if he just walked by you that
he was mister Batman and is responsible for just about
everything you've ever seen in your life on screen.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Regarding Batman, I gotta tell.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You though, before we go to a break, I won't
tolerate any disrespect for the Adam West Batman. That was magnificent,
And you have to put it into the context that
the Batman comics were about to get canceled at the time,
and that show saved everything. Also, even at this late date,
it's hellilariously brilliant, brilliantly funny, and Adam West and Bert
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Ward are just two of the most gifted comedic actors
of all human history.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's hilarious. It is funny. It is funny to me, Stefan,
what say you? That was getting? What are you talking about? Sorry?
We're talking about Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
What?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What signs about? Which? Something like that? Who's entering? Who?
A lot of entering? Look at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's Later with mo Keller ca if I AM six
forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. I'm sorry, Stephan,
I didn't mean to catch off guard like that. You
know I should have asked you about something else.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
This is how it's gonna go Friday too, is it?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And if you're just tuning in, filling in for me
on Friday will be none other than the Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I feel like I'm coming down with something right now. Well,
when we come back, we're going to get into the reasons.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know that Mark Ronner loves to talk about misinformation disinformation.
We now have evidence as to why that is an
impenetrable wall. You cannot get through it. And Mark, I
think you'll greatly learn from this.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty when moo.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Kelly one K.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Mister Moro Kelly here,
This is just for you, Mark Ronner. Is something we've
discussed many times, but now there is some data to
support what I think you and I already believed, and
it had to do with misinformation. Some researchers used a
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method called a randomized controlled trial. They took one hundred
and fifty two college students and randomly split them into
four groups. Each group read different combinations of texts about
water fluoridation. Some texts had correct information, some had incorrect
information or misinformation, and some directly addressed and corrected common misconceptions,
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and these are called refutation texts. Before and after reading,
the students answered questions about their knowledge, feelings, and attitudes
about the subject. By comparing the answers before and after
and between different groups, the researchers saw how information and
misinformation was interpreted. Here are some of the key results,
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and it will not surprise you, Mark, but now we
have data to back it up. The groups that read
the refutation texts which directly addressed misconceptions learned the most
regardless of whether they read the correct information before or
after the misinformation, meaning that when you clear it up,
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it has the most impact. When you directly address misinformation,
the group that learned the least was the one that
read the misinformation first, followed by just the correct facts
without addressing the misinformation.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Makes sense so far, Yeah, I'm following you, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And the study also found that reading correct information first
helped reduce negative feelings about the topic.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Who knew right? Who knew right? Now?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The study acknowledges it had some limitations. It only looked
at college students studying to be teachers, so the results
may not apply to everyone, and it only focused on
one topic, so it's not known if the same results
would happen regardless of topics or non scientific topics. And
also the study only looked at immediate effects. They don't
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know if the learning and attitude changes would last over time,
or the cuulative effect of misinformation or the cumulative impact
of refutation of misinformation. But if anything, I think it
underscores the seriousness the impact of misinformation in a variety
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of ways, from our news media to perceptions and attitudes
about our government, race relations, any number of things.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Oh yeah, COVID climate elections. I mean, misinformation can tear
society apart and get people killed.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, it's done that.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think a reasonable person can look at America right
now and honestly say we are being torn apart. I
think a reasonable person can say that we are at
each other's throats in any number of ways over any
number of subjects, from social media to real life or
feelings about our politics and who's going to be president.
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It's pretty it's pretty stark. Actually, there was this article
I haven't had a chance to really dive into it,
but was just published by the New York Post, and
it says half of Americans under the age of thirty
five would rather quit their job than work with political opponents. Okay,
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but I'm saying, let's say that is true if anything,
and I haven't had a chance to really dig into it.
It speaks to, once again, how we don't view each
other as fellow Americans. We look at each other as enemies,
and it bears itself out in any number of ways.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And you know, the unstated context of what you just
said is people may not want to work with somebody
who doesn't think they have the right to exist.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Okay, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think people don't want to work with someone who
doesn't think like them.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
There's the whole spectrum and where you land on that,
I guess depends on the individual, and they're infinite, you know,
permutations of it.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a wide spectrum there. But ultimately
I think it's more negative than positive. I think we're
trending in a very very very negative direction. And me
and I don't think you would disagree with this. I
think it all leads back to misinformation.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
It does, and rather than get into any specific topic,
I spent a lot of time this weekend reading about
COVID misinformation, and I started the week angry about it.
I will say that when you hear anybody ever howling
about cracking down on misinformation, just be aware they don't
care about free speech. They're the bad guys. If you
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are covering for the liars and the spreaders of disinformation,
take a long look in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think people generally, and I've said this before, they
want affirmation. They're not looking for information, So anything which
reinforms their worldview or is preferential to their politic outlook
will be accepted, whether it's accurate or not. Because we're
not looking for the facts. And when I'm making a
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broad brush generalization, we're not looking for facts. We're not
interested in facts as Americans, and so the byproduct of
that is whatever feeds our worldview.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's what we're going with.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
If we believe that COVID was a hoax, then anything
we read or digest will be consistent with that. If
we believe that we fake the moon landing, then anything
that we want to hold up as fact will be
consistent with that. If someone wants to say that the
NBA is rigged or our elections are rigged, then anything
which is consistent with that will be accepted into their mind.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You're not about to tell me that Stanley Kubrick didn't
fake the moon landing, are you. No?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
No, I would say, okay, thank you. I would never
smirch his name. But I mean, on this subject, there
are two kinds of people, right. They're the kinds that
you're talking about that exist for confirmation bias, and they're
the kind who when they're they're faced with actual evidence, information,
legit information that conflicts with their beliefs, they alter their
beliefs to suit reality.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But here's the problem many people today, and I can't
quantify this, but I know it's many people are so
invested in their opinions that anything which is counter or
contrary to them somehow breaks down their sense of self.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, there is a lot of research showing that people
just dig in their heels. Not everybody, but a lot
of people do dig in their heels when they're presented
with legit information that defies their beliefs and we're still
trying to figure out what to do about that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And if it defies their beliefs, it's almost like they
feel as if you're attacking them and their value as
an individual because they're so invested in this. What happens
if what you're so invested in is not true?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Yeah, Well, for one thing, we've got to find a
way to depoliticize things like science because because that doesn't
help anybody at all. I mean, science, above all other things,
should be independent of your political affiliation, your your cultural identity.
It exists whether you believe in it or not, and
ignoring it puts a lot of people in peril.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's weird because the tools that we use to devalue
science are always scientific in the sense of we're going
to use social media, we're going to use our phones,
we're going to use these these things of technology to
somehow devalue science.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I've never quite understood. There's a little irony there isn't there.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
We're going to use these these things that are out
of the Star Trek future tight to reassert your Taliban
level beliefs that are basically you can trace back to
the iron A or the Bronze A boj okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (27:54):
And before we get out here, I have to correct
one thing.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
When I was talking about going to Jason and I
misspoke saying that they're going to Tom Sawyer Island. That
was brought to my attention that was only going to
be a Disney World, not disney Land. So yes, I
got your messages, Yes, got your messages, got all forty
five of them, at least that many.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But I had a great time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I had a great, great time at Disneyland and Disney
California Adventure. It's just different now as I get a
little bit older as an adult, you know, you don't
need to do everything. You get to do some things
that you've been wanting to do didn't have a chance
to do, And Disney gave him the opportunity to do
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that with a little bit more time. Now, I don't
know how Twala does it with the whole family on
a day in which everyone is at the park and
you may not have exclusive access. I don't know how
he does it. It's a very, very very taxing day.
It can be very taxing, and maybe we put too
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much on the day. Maybe we have too high of
an expectation of the day. As I get older, I
get more selective with my time, so it has to
be my way. For example, if I were to go
to a music concert, working in the music industry for
so long, I'm accustomed to a certain level of access.
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I'm not going to go to Staples Center or Crypto
dot Com and sit in the rafters. I'm not even
going to sit down front. I need backstage passes. I
need to be able to go to the meet and greet.
I need to be able to hang out afterward. I
need access.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
There's parts of getting older that are kind of equal
parts you're wiser and equal parts you're wearier. So like,
I'm not going to go to a concert and stand
on my feet for three hours anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Right, that will never.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Happen again in my life, not for any reason. Hey,
the tickets are free. No, they're down front. Now, we'll
send a limo for you. No, no, you.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Know, you'll remind me when Howard Stern first started his
serious show. And this is a while ago now, they
invited me to come on. I can't remember why they
wanted me, but I said what time. They're like, well,
you know, it's like four or five in the morning.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I'm like, absolutely not, no way is that going to happen.
And they say, well, we'll send a limo for you. Well,
whatever you need, and I'm like, you're not hearing me.
It will not happen in this lifetime, in this universe.
And I feel that way about a lot of the
things that we talk about here. They sound fun on
the surface, but you just talked about having to get
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up at like five o'clock in the morning to go
do a tourist someplace.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
No way would I do that. Look, it was difficult,
but it was the least that I could do. Well.
I mean, given this the deal that you were given,
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, but you know it was great, But it was
also adult great where I didn't have to try to
keep up with the young folks. I could sit at
the bar for a little bit of time, have some jacks,
and you know, just had I had an adult experience
at Disneyland.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
What time was it that you were sitting at the
bar five six am?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
No, no, no, I was sitting there at it was
I want to say, maybe eleven eleven thirty at night thereabouts.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Oh, and they opened.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Up California Adventure for just us from eleven to twelve,
so we had full run of that park as well.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Now does this include the Marvel stuff, Yes, Aventures Campus
everything I want to see, all that I just haven't
been able to.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, for example, I got some early in the day
video from the Ventures campus. You'll see Deadpool and Wolverine
on my Instagram. But at night they shut down the
whole park, just with the exception of the media. Because
we're so important, very important. I tell everybody as often
as I can how important. It was very cool because
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you got to see and we had gone to California
Adventure in previous years because iHeart They sometimes have their
Christmas party there, but the park was never completely open.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Certain attractions were not open.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I missed doing things mo and let's do more things well,
you got to come outside more. You're the one who's
always hiding.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get out and get out
of my sepulcher more often.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And they change.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
If you know, California Venture very popular ride Sourin used
to be soaring over California and now it's soaring, just
soaring because it goes all the way around the world.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's very cool. They've changed that. But you've never been
on it souring like Soren kunker guard.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Is it a philosophical lure, a r I n apostrophe
like you're soaring?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh? That changes everything? No way? Yeah, okay, what's not
gonna happen. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Before the show, oftentimes we'll sit around and just talk
about what we've seen over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Stuff we like, stuff we don't like.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Will warn each other, Hey, you better not waste your
time on this, so you better spend your time doing this.
Much to my surprise, when we had our conversation tonight
before the show, I was sitting down with Tawala and
he was letting me know his review of it hurts.
You know, Alien's Romulus. I thought that you love it.
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Mark thought, did you love it? You didn't love it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I was first two acts, I thought I was good.
I liked how it carried on the Alien story, like
how it was set in that universe. But there are
too many silly things that happened, and by the time
it got to that third act, I was just outdone
with some of the stupid things that happened and the
ridiculousness of the final over reveal of the creature. It
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was just I just I was laughing in the theater.
I was like, get me out of here. The redo
of the Ripley line facing the Queen Alien, don't give
it a.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
No what I'm saying that was stupid.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Again, there was just so many things that happened when
I said to myself, Okay, you really really.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let me down in the end.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I would see another edition of this if they're going
to continue off with this franchis, because there was still
a lot of things set in the Aliens universe, but
no and Aliens. This was not Alien. This was not
This was kind of like something for people who never
saw those movies.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Interestingly enough, it is still the number two movie in America.
It brought in sixteen point three million this week, and
it even added thirty theaters, which you don't usually see
for horror movies. They don't usually add theaters like that,
so it was up to thirty nine hundred theater or
(02:00):
screens and it brought in sixteen million, coming number two,
number one, the biggest movie of the summer. Possibly when
all is Sudden done, Deadpool and Wolverine is back to
number one. Brought in eighteen million. It's gross domestically is
five hundred and seventy seven million. It's one point two
billion worldwide. I don't know if it'll be able to
catch Inside Out too. It's less likely, but it's still
(02:24):
hanging in there, coming at number three. It ends with us,
I don't know who's seeing that movie. I really have
no idea. Romantics, yeah, but I just don't know of
anyone in my friends circle and family who's seen it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Blake twice.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
First week out failed miserably with seven point three million
given all the promotion for it, and it did fourteen
million worldwide, so it was released internationally as well. Surprisingly,
we spoke to the star of the movie The Forge.
You heard him on the show, Aspen Kennedy, and The
Forge only had a budget of five million dollars but
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still came in fifth this week with more than six
point six million in domestic ticket sales. Word, why do
you think that is?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I think that The Forge had quite possibly one of
the most aggressive and successful social media campaigns I have
ever seen. I mean, it was posted on every page
that I visited as if it was an actual personality,
posting stories about itself, from the conversations with the actors, a.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Pair of clips, everything.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I mean, this thing was everywhere social media wise, and
I think that's what grabbed people. Just people wanted to
see what the hype was all about.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I wonder if we're not at a point where that
will be the main way in which movies are going
to be promoted, because it's one thing to put a
trailer in theater, but it's actually much more i'll say impactful.
If you have a trailer which goes viral online. Yeah, yeah,
and you have people talking about the movie online having
(04:01):
nothing to do with whether a trailer is available in theaters.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Absolutely, I mean, because you got to think, even with
Blink Twight doing as well as it did or not
as well as it did, but Blink twits having as
much promotion as it had, there was nothing about it online.
There was no one talking about online, there was no presence.
And so that's why yet people are still talking about
(04:24):
Deadpool Wolverine, still saying you got to see it, see
the third time, see it in three D, go see
it because you got to see it, And that's it.
In Aliens Romulus, I mean, yeah, it's still relatively new,
so like I saw it this past weekend, So that's
why that came in number two. But a film like
The Forge five, it's already made its money back.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And then some give some other context, the Forge was
only in eighteen hundred theaters brought in six million. Blink
Twice was in three thousand and sixty seven theaters Okay,
not twice as much, but almost as twice as much
and brought in only seven point three million. So the
(05:03):
perse screen average for the Forge was thirty six hundred
dollars and the perse screen average for Blink Twice was
twenty three hundred. The Forge was overperforming by just about
any metric, and I would be curious to see if
the word of mouth still matches up with the pre
promotion online because if it is, or if it does,
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it'll probably be expanded to more theaters and they'll have
even a better weekend second weekend if they can expand
that word of.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Mouth hopefully, because it has a really, really endearing and
needed story right now.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But the real story of the week coming in at
number eight, Twisters was number six, Core Line with number seven,
but coming in at number eight was the Trash Bend
Fire better known as the Crow.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You heard from Mark Rodner.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Who said do not watch this movie or something to
that effect.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, it was a code brown for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It only brought in four point six million I don't
know what the budget it was, but four point six
million was not what they were hoping for.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's gonna lose money.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think we're guaranteed of that, and it's too bad
because it's got a lot of like unearned goodwill. People
love the Crow, but not a great job with that story.
And I, you know, listening to Tuala's criticisms of Alien Romulus,
I actually don't disagree with anything he said. I just
to me, the pluses outweighed the minuses more. I like
the action, I like the atmosphere, and I thought it
(06:26):
was better than most of the sequels. But I really
can't disagree with him on anything.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I didn't disagree with him either, It's just that his
concerns didn't bother me as much. Like, for example, you
can say this plot point sucked or this was unbelievable.
So yeah, but they were minor to me because I
was comparing it as far as feeling experience storyline with
Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and I thought Prometheus had such
(06:52):
potential and then the movie did not meet his potential,
and Alien Covenant just sucked beginning to and it didn't
tie together any of the threads really from Prometheus, and
it told a completely different story with David that I
expected to see and so I got nothing out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, Prometheus and Covenant really kind of swung big, and
Romulus it felt to me more like a B movie
almost it was.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It was sci fi level to me. It was like
something that could have been on the Sci Fire or
should have been on streaming. If it was on streaming,
I probably have been like this is racks. Yeah, but
like going to go see that in the theater, I
was like, this is streaming quality.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Acting.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It needed one star that much, I will say it
needed one star. Did not have any stars.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, there's nobody in the cast that I cared about
if they lived or died, and nobody we really even
got to know. And the audio was so garbled that
it was even hard to hear what they were to
understand what they were saying to each other.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But I still enjoyed the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Maybe it's just managing level of expectations when you go
to see a movie, because my last two experiences with
the Alien franchise actually like the last four or five
if you want to throw an alien versus Predator, they
weren't enjoyable. So I didn't have high expectations, and for me,
I thought it was a fitting addition to that universe.
I don't think he'll ever be able to recapture the
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magic of Alien because it was a straight horror movie.
We talked about this and it was so very different
from everything we had seen as far as space movies go.
We've seen horror movies, we've seen i'll say space disasters,
but we have seen hadn't seen a space horror disaster
the likes of Alien in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It was a real brilliant mashup and well done too.
I mean there had been sci fi movies that had
done similar things before, like Pardon me It, the Terror
from Beyond Space, which a lot of people have cited
as the inspiration for the movie. I don't know how
much they took from that, but they really, you know,
they did, like what Spielberg did with Raiders of the
Lost Arc. They took a bunch of crappy old things
(08:49):
that they loved and just put them together and gave
them the Cadillac treatment.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean, I guess that's what George Lucas did with
Star Wars, the whole spaghetti western.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Well with old specifically like Buck Rogers type of movie series,
right right, Well, you know, although Twalla hated it, I'll
just say he hated it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
No, let's not say hated it. But I can't recommend
it in good faith.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Even worse, you didn't bring us the alien head popcorn bucket.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I really wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I wouldn't put any more money into that, and I
literally walked out or thinking to myself, Man, if that
would have been online, I would have been happy. But
now I'm going home disgruntled. And that's it. Well hopefully proud. Yeah,
I mean the The Killer was an okay, kind of
like British take on John Woo's classic Killer.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Is that Netflix?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's a peacock. Peacock. I just watched that last night.
We're talking about that now, yeah the Killer? No, no, no,
the Killer was.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I was wondering what in God's name was the intent
with that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like is this like it
looked like more like a television series not a film,
Like I should have been broken up into a bunch
of episodes and could have been a British kind of something.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, like did John woo need to make what was
going on? Oh? They just mailed it in. I don't
know it's good.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I'm still formulating my thoughts and I think I fell
asleep before the very end of it, so I don't
know how it ends.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Did you get all the way through it? Twala? Yeah,
I saw the end. I saw that. Is it worth finishing?
That's the main question.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It ends in a traditional, over the top, unnecessary you
can't do that action fashion. But the whole film was
like that. The whole thing was like, wait what you
can't do that? But you know, but they did it,
Like there was some moves that they did that. I
was like, John Wu is high when he's doing this.
Will was absolutely on was yeah, he was copying himself.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And even with the to an extent with the shootout
in the hospital hallway where they shoot out all the
all the panes of glass, I really was wondering. I
have to find out more about what the intent was
behind all that, because if you remember the original Killer
with Chow Yun Fat, that's an untouchable classic.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Before we get out of here, what's the last best
thing that John Wu has done?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Well, I don't know what he's what he did after
that Mission Impossible movie that was any good? Did he
kind of disappear in the US after that for a while. Yeah,
that's what I'm trying to think of. I can't think of.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Something because the replacement Killer was that was like streaming
rated s for streaming, But I wasn't like, oh, man,
that's in my collection.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, but if you only have done The Killers and
Hard Boiled, that's enough for one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Lifetime, Nash. I don't know. We'll debate that some other time.
It's Later with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and we have
a Batman connection to the show and an update connection
to a different show a play. What are you talking about, Moe, Well,
Batman has a direct connection to this show.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We'll tell you why and just a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Maybe you're familiar with one iteration of Batman. Maybe you're
a fan of the TV show from the nineties sixties.
Maybe you're a fan of the Christian Bale Dark Knight version.
Maybe you're a fan of George Clooney or Michael Keaton,
any number, Val Kilmer. You know, if you're familiar with
any of those Batman's, if you're familiar with Lego Batman,
(12:15):
if you're familiar with any Batman televised or cinematic property,
they are all owned by one person, just one. His
name is Michael Eusland, and he's been on this show.
I want to say what four or five times by now?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yes, well, yeah, at least he's a very close friend
of the show.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
If you see Batman in a movie like Justice League,
he has to sign off on it. If you see
Batman in any capacity, I'm not talking about a Bruce
Wayne character that maybe some legals there, but if you
see Batman on screen, it has to go by Michael Eusland.
Animated films too, that's right, yep. Animn Joker and that's right.
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He was one of the preciage jokers.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Anything related to Batman that has to do with on screen, smaller,
big screen, Michael Eusland has to sign off on it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
The first time he came on.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
The show, it was back on the Mo Kelly Show.
He was talking about his memoir and it's called The
Boy Who Loved Batman, told his origin, told about his
growing up as a geek who went from teaching a
comic book class as a junior at Indiana University to
working at DC during the summers. He went to law
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school and then had got a job at United Artists.
Next he had a front seat to the rise of
early comic book movies, specifically.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Batman, and he, through a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Troubles difficulties, managed to secure the rights to Batman back
when it was not popular, back when no one was
really checking for Battman, and he was the one who
came up with the idea of bringing a serious Batman
to the big screen because people were familiar with the
Adam West Batman. They were you know, the the pow
(14:15):
and the sound effects and the comic book feel to it,
not real menacing, not the dark Knight. Well, Michael Houston
brought that version of Batman to the big screen and
I would say it forever changed movies since then. If
you want to talk about superhero movies and the superhero
movies fatigue, it always goes back to that first Batman
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movie of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And his genius of going to Warner Brothers, going to
DC and securing the film rights for this when again,
when no one was checking for it was an absolute
stroke of genius and essentially got it for next to
nothing when you consider what he got out of it
(15:02):
or what he paid for it, and what he's getting
out of it now. Man, and he is still the
one of the geekiest, nerdiest individuals you will ever talk to.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
He is, he is, He is such a great guy.
His memoir what I told you, was called The Boy
Who Loved Batman. Well, it is going to be produced
as a stage play, and do you know who they're
going to get to play Michael Uselin Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I do not know.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And I've always been curious about how he got that
satanic deal that he controls this, Like what did he
pay for this?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, we have to listen to the Mokel Show. I
think i'll post that so he can tell the story himself. Yeah,
I gotta find this out. I'll find it for you.
But he's going to have If you're a fan of
Fantastic Beasts, you know Dan Folkler, he's going to play
Michael Euseland in his stage play.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I like that, and I know the stage play is
starting in Florida. But with how connected did we are
to theater and with that Michael, do it to Michael
as well. It is my hope that we can even
you know, reach out to Michael and say, hey, bring
this to LA.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
We actually know some people.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Who you know, run a theater to out here that
we can maybe, look, we need to be a part
of bringing this to LA.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
They're connected to Nitalanders, so I don't know if they'll
need our help.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But the play.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The play will run from October first through November tenth
in Tampa, and they want to get it to Broadway.
But I'm quite sure you know, they'll they'll get it there.
And this is something where I would love, love, love
to see to your point twelve, to see it grow
to become a national thing. You know that it actually
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gets to Broadway, that we have a role in that.
I don't think they'll need us, but it'd be nice to,
uh to have a role in that.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And have you had have you.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Ever had a chance to meet Michael Eustland yet, Mark
and all of your travels, we.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Have come across each other's paths book work. We both
did stuff for Dynamite and I think it was when
I was writing The Avenger The Old Pulpiro and he
was doing like The Shadow or something like that. They
would always have creators interview each other and sometimes it
works out really well, like I think Eustland was a good,
sharp guy who had read the stuff and was asking
(17:18):
intelligent questions. Other times it's just phoned in garbage from
people who obviously haven't read what they're talking about. Right,
Euceland struck me as a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
He's smart guy, genuine guy. He's no false pretenses. You
would never know if he just walked by you that
he was mister Batman and is responsible for just about
everything you've ever seen in your life on screen.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Regarding Batman, I gotta tell.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You though, before we go to a break, I won't
tolerate any disrespect for the Adam West Batman. That was magnificent,
And you have to put it into the context that
the Batman comics were about to get canceled at the time,
and that show saved everything. Also, even at this late date,
it's hellilariously brilliant, brilliantly funny, and Adam West and Bert
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Ward are just two of the most gifted comedic actors
of all human history.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's hilarious. It is funny. It is funny to me, Stefan,
what say you? That was getting? What are you talking about? Sorry?
We're talking about Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
What?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What signs about? Which? Something like that? Who's entering? Who?
A lot of entering? Look at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's Later with mo Keller ca if I AM six
forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. I'm sorry, Stephan,
I didn't mean to catch off guard like that. You
know I should have asked you about something else.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
This is how it's gonna go Friday too, is it?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And if you're just tuning in, filling in for me
on Friday will be none other than the Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I feel like I'm coming down with something right now. Well,
when we come back, we're going to get into the reasons.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know that Mark Ronner loves to talk about misinformation disinformation.
We now have evidence as to why that is an
impenetrable wall. You cannot get through it. And Mark, I
think you'll greatly learn from this.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty when moo.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Kelly one K.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Mister Moro Kelly here,
This is just for you, Mark Ronner. Is something we've
discussed many times, but now there is some data to
support what I think you and I already believed, and
it had to do with misinformation. Some researchers used a
(19:50):
method called a randomized controlled trial. They took one hundred
and fifty two college students and randomly split them into
four groups. Each group read different combinations of texts about
water fluoridation. Some texts had correct information, some had incorrect
information or misinformation, and some directly addressed and corrected common misconceptions,
(20:16):
and these are called refutation texts. Before and after reading,
the students answered questions about their knowledge, feelings, and attitudes
about the subject. By comparing the answers before and after
and between different groups, the researchers saw how information and
misinformation was interpreted. Here are some of the key results,
(20:40):
and it will not surprise you, Mark, but now we
have data to back it up. The groups that read
the refutation texts which directly addressed misconceptions learned the most
regardless of whether they read the correct information before or
after the misinformation, meaning that when you clear it up,
(21:03):
it has the most impact. When you directly address misinformation,
the group that learned the least was the one that
read the misinformation first, followed by just the correct facts
without addressing the misinformation.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Makes sense so far, Yeah, I'm following you, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And the study also found that reading correct information first
helped reduce negative feelings about the topic.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Who knew right? Who knew right? Now?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The study acknowledges it had some limitations. It only looked
at college students studying to be teachers, so the results
may not apply to everyone, and it only focused on
one topic, so it's not known if the same results
would happen regardless of topics or non scientific topics. And
also the study only looked at immediate effects. They don't
(22:01):
know if the learning and attitude changes would last over time,
or the cuulative effect of misinformation or the cumulative impact
of refutation of misinformation. But if anything, I think it
underscores the seriousness the impact of misinformation in a variety
(22:24):
of ways, from our news media to perceptions and attitudes
about our government, race relations, any number of things.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Oh yeah, COVID climate elections. I mean, misinformation can tear
society apart and get people killed.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, it's done that.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think a reasonable person can look at America right
now and honestly say we are being torn apart. I
think a reasonable person can say that we are at
each other's throats in any number of ways over any
number of subjects, from social media to real life or
feelings about our politics and who's going to be president.
(23:07):
It's pretty it's pretty stark. Actually, there was this article
I haven't had a chance to really dive into it,
but was just published by the New York Post, and
it says half of Americans under the age of thirty
five would rather quit their job than work with political opponents. Okay,
(23:29):
but I'm saying, let's say that is true if anything,
and I haven't had a chance to really dig into it.
It speaks to, once again, how we don't view each
other as fellow Americans. We look at each other as enemies,
and it bears itself out in any number of ways.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And you know, the unstated context of what you just
said is people may not want to work with somebody
who doesn't think they have the right to exist.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Okay, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think people don't want to work with someone who
doesn't think like them.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
There's the whole spectrum and where you land on that,
I guess depends on the individual, and they're infinite, you know,
permutations of it.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a wide spectrum there. But ultimately
I think it's more negative than positive. I think we're
trending in a very very very negative direction. And me
and I don't think you would disagree with this. I
think it all leads back to misinformation.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
It does, and rather than get into any specific topic,
I spent a lot of time this weekend reading about
COVID misinformation, and I started the week angry about it.
I will say that when you hear anybody ever howling
about cracking down on misinformation, just be aware they don't
care about free speech. They're the bad guys. If you
(24:42):
are covering for the liars and the spreaders of disinformation,
take a long look in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think people generally, and I've said this before, they
want affirmation. They're not looking for information, So anything which
reinforms their worldview or is preferential to their politic outlook
will be accepted, whether it's accurate or not. Because we're
not looking for the facts. And when I'm making a
(25:08):
broad brush generalization, we're not looking for facts. We're not
interested in facts as Americans, and so the byproduct of
that is whatever feeds our worldview.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's what we're going with.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
If we believe that COVID was a hoax, then anything
we read or digest will be consistent with that. If
we believe that we fake the moon landing, then anything
that we want to hold up as fact will be
consistent with that. If someone wants to say that the
NBA is rigged or our elections are rigged, then anything
which is consistent with that will be accepted into their mind.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You're not about to tell me that Stanley Kubrick didn't
fake the moon landing, are you. No?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
No, I would say, okay, thank you. I would never
smirch his name. But I mean, on this subject, there
are two kinds of people, right. They're the kinds that
you're talking about that exist for confirmation bias, and they're
the kind who when they're they're faced with actual evidence, information,
legit information that conflicts with their beliefs, they alter their
beliefs to suit reality.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But here's the problem many people today, and I can't
quantify this, but I know it's many people are so
invested in their opinions that anything which is counter or
contrary to them somehow breaks down their sense of self.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, there is a lot of research showing that people
just dig in their heels. Not everybody, but a lot
of people do dig in their heels when they're presented
with legit information that defies their beliefs and we're still
trying to figure out what to do about that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And if it defies their beliefs, it's almost like they
feel as if you're attacking them and their value as
an individual because they're so invested in this. What happens
if what you're so invested in is not true?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Yeah, Well, for one thing, we've got to find a
way to depoliticize things like science because because that doesn't
help anybody at all. I mean, science, above all other things,
should be independent of your political affiliation, your your cultural identity.
It exists whether you believe in it or not, and
ignoring it puts a lot of people in peril.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's weird because the tools that we use to devalue
science are always scientific in the sense of we're going
to use social media, we're going to use our phones,
we're going to use these these things of technology to
somehow devalue science.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I've never quite understood. There's a little irony there isn't there.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
We're going to use these these things that are out
of the Star Trek future tight to reassert your Taliban
level beliefs that are basically you can trace back to
the iron A or the Bronze A boj okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And before we get out here, I have to correct
one thing.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
When I was talking about going to Jason and I
misspoke saying that they're going to Tom Sawyer Island. That
was brought to my attention that was only going to
be a Disney World, not disney Land. So yes, I
got your messages, Yes, got your messages, got all forty
five of them, at least that many.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But I had a great time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I had a great, great time at Disneyland and Disney
California Adventure. It's just different now as I get a
little bit older as an adult, you know, you don't
need to do everything. You get to do some things
that you've been wanting to do didn't have a chance
to do, And Disney gave him the opportunity to do
(28:34):
that with a little bit more time. Now, I don't
know how Twala does it with the whole family on
a day in which everyone is at the park and
you may not have exclusive access. I don't know how
he does it. It's a very, very very taxing day.
It can be very taxing, and maybe we put too
(28:55):
much on the day. Maybe we have too high of
an expectation of the day. As I get older, I
get more selective with my time, so it has to
be my way. For example, if I were to go
to a music concert, working in the music industry for
so long, I'm accustomed to a certain level of access.
(29:15):
I'm not going to go to Staples Center or Crypto
dot Com and sit in the rafters. I'm not even
going to sit down front. I need backstage passes. I
need to be able to go to the meet and greet.
I need to be able to hang out afterward. I
need access.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
There's parts of getting older that are kind of equal
parts you're wiser and equal parts you're wearier. So like,
I'm not going to go to a concert and stand
on my feet for three hours anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Right, that will never.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Happen again in my life, not for any reason. Hey,
the tickets are free. No, they're down front. Now, we'll
send a limo for you. No, no, you.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Know, you'll remind me when Howard Stern first started his
serious show. And this is a while ago now, they
invited me to come on. I can't remember why they
wanted me, but I said what time. They're like, well,
you know, it's like four or five in the morning.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I'm like, absolutely not, no way is that going to happen.
And they say, well, we'll send a limo for you. Well,
whatever you need, and I'm like, you're not hearing me.
It will not happen in this lifetime, in this universe.
And I feel that way about a lot of the
things that we talk about here. They sound fun on
the surface, but you just talked about having to get
(30:34):
up at like five o'clock in the morning to go
do a tourist someplace.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
No way would I do that. Look, it was difficult,
but it was the least that I could do. Well.
I mean, given this the deal that you were given,
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, but you know it was great, But it was
also adult great where I didn't have to try to
keep up with the young folks. I could sit at
the bar for a little bit of time, have some jacks,
and you know, just had I had an adult experience
at Disneyland.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
What time was it that you were sitting at the
bar five six am?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
No, no, no, I was sitting there at it was
I want to say, maybe eleven eleven thirty at night thereabouts.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Oh, and they opened.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Up California Adventure for just us from eleven to twelve,
so we had full run of that park as well.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Now does this include the Marvel stuff, Yes, Aventures Campus
everything I want to see, all that I just haven't
been able to.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, for example, I got some early in the day
video from the Ventures campus. You'll see Deadpool and Wolverine
on my Instagram. But at night they shut down the
whole park, just with the exception of the media. Because
we're so important, very important. I tell everybody as often
as I can how important. It was very cool because
(31:53):
you got to see and we had gone to California
Adventure in previous years because iHeart They sometimes have their
Christmas party there, but the park was never completely open.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Certain attractions were not open.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I missed doing things mo and let's do more things well,
you got to come outside more. You're the one who's
always hiding.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get out and get out
of my sepulcher more often.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And they change.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
If you know, California Venture very popular ride Sourin used
to be soaring over California and now it's soaring, just
soaring because it goes all the way around the world.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's very cool. They've changed that. But you've never been
on it souring like Soren kunker guard.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Is it a philosophical lure, a r I n apostrophe
like you're soaring?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh? That changes everything? No way? Yeah, okay, what's not
gonna happen. We'll see you tomorrow.
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