August 28, 2024 • 36 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on the city of Santa Monica mulling a crackdown on homelessness AND a new Cal State L.A. course in the works that focuses on the development of ‘Game Shows’…PLUS – Mo’Kelly and Tawala take a trip down memory lane as recount their time as contestants on classic game shows ‘The Dating Game’ and ‘Blind Date’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We know some time ago Governor Gavin Newsom issued this
executive order trying to clamp down on homelessness, but his
order only had to do with state property, and I
made the point that, well, you got to be more
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than state property or it's not going to mean anything.
But since then, Governor Newsom has said, and I'm paraphrasing,
that he'll withhold money from local municipalities if they do
not do something with homelessness right where they are. And
since that time, you've heard about how long Beach was
cleaning out parks, clearing out parks, and now Santa Monica
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at this very moment is considering banning sleeping in public
spaces and more.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This is a problem that has plagued the city Santa
Monica for years, but now the city says it's going
to get the homeless off the streets. City leaders are
holding a meeting right now to discuss the.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Sessue and I prepense to try and fix it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
NBC cours Darshah Phillips says, following it all for us, Darsha, what.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Do you know, Yeah, Robert. This comes in response to
a recent Supreme Court ruling that allows cities to make
sleeping outdoors illegal, and this is a hot button issue
that draws passionate arguments from both sides. On one hand,
you have residents and business owners who have complained about
the homeless population here in Santa Monica, expressing their fears
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and frustrations with the drug use and mental illness. And
on the other hand, you have homeless advocates who say
the Supreme Court ruling and Governor Gavin Newsom's order for
cities to clear homeless encampments criminalizes being unhoused and does
nothing to solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, I was talking to Mark Thompson before I started
the show when I was previewing this, and if you've
never been to Santa Monica, to just drive through it
on any given day. Not all homelessness is created equal.
If you go down skid Row, that's one type of homelessness.
You go down Santa Monica, they're doing a whole lot better. Okay,
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they may not have a house to live in, but
they're koutramah. You know, they're doing a whole lot better
than the folks on skid Row. I'm not saying it's optimal.
I'm not saying they want to be there. Well, maybe
some of them do. I'm not saying that it's like
living in an apartment. I'm just saying, if you have
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to be homeless, Santa Monica is probably the place to
be well.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Today's meeting in Santa Monica City Council will consider three proposals.
Two essentially would keep things as is and observe how
other cities handle the issue. One proposal would make sleeping
in public with sleeping bags and blankets illegal, but even
proponents of such an ordinance say they have little hope
that if it passes, it will be enforced.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
So the city, being compassionate, wants to limit it to
just state owned properties. There are a lot of state
owned properties, but most of the problems are on public properties.
I said that no camping laws that you see on
signs that every single park aren't being enforced.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Santa Monica has not provided a plan on how such
an ordinance banning sleeping in the public would be enforced.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
If it is, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You can ban sleeping in public, but either you won't
enforce it or you don't know how to enforce it.
So you happen upon homeless people sleeping on Third Street promenade,
which is not unusual, and so it's illegal. And then
you either ask them to move or you physically remove them,
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You cite them, you arrest them. Then what are you
going to hold them in prison? Are you just going
to leave them with the citation? Do they go from
Third Street to fourth Street? Do they go to Santa
Monica Boulevard, do they go to Ocean Avenue? In other words,
are you just changing locations or you actually addressing the
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homelessness issue? That's the thing, and Mark, you and I
have been talking about this time and time again. It's
nice that you want to do something. You I'm saying
the city, it's nice that you want to do something.
It's nice you want to ban sleeping on public streets
and public parks. But you still have to address the
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people saying you just can't stop here.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Does it end the problem? No?
Speaker 7 (04:38):
No, no, And they're going to be sent to that
magical place called somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not in my backyard, not in my front yard, not
on my street. So long as I don't see it,
then it's okay. If you're saying you're going to ban
sleeping in public spaces in Santa Monica. Does that mean
they can go to the City of Palms. Does that
mean that they can go to Westwood? You know, because
they will go somewhere and you still haven't actually dealt
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with the issue.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
People are so rude that they won't just phase out
of existence because they're offensive or inconvenient to you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, and see that's what they want ultimately, And if
you go back to the piece, yes, Santa Monica will
choose between one of three options. You know, either they
will ban it or they won't, or they have to
figure out whether they're going to do some study and
figure out if there's some way that they can possibly
implement some plan. It's not going to lead anywhere because
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you still haven't dealt with the real issue.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
People.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
No.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
I've mentioned before compared this to the theory of conservation
of energy. You can't just will stuff out of existence.
If you don't like something, you have to do something
about the cause of it instead of just brushing it
under the rug.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But there are two sides to this.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The city of Santa Monica and I don't want to
presume some sort of ulterior motive other than the city
is being forced to act because of what Governor Gavin
Newsom has sent down and the threat of withholding state
funds is enough to get cities to act, even though
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it might be what I call false hustle, where they're acting.
Its motion, it's activity, but it's not really going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
It's like a homeless person shell game. Just move them around.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, that's exactly what it is. Because the number of
homeless people are not going to be decreased by you
forbidding them to sleep in public spaces.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So what are they going to do? Just keep walking?
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Yes, yeah, the uh, just walking in a circle around
the wheel of pain.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's just don't stop. Just don't go to sleep. If
you go to sleep, we'll have to cite you. If
you keep on walking, there's nothing we can do to you.
But what's happening in Santa Monica right now, at this
very moment, will probably be happening in a number of cities,
if only because there's a fear of losing out on
resources and funds, not actually an idea which would actually
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address the problem.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Doesn't it seem to you though, mo like sometimes people
just throw up their hands when there's not an immediate
and easy and evident solution to a problem like this.
I mean, if there was an easy solution to homelessness,
we'd have it by now. But it's a nuanced issue
and it requires a lot of work and thought, and
I think people just just want them out of the way.
They don't want to deal with the hard part. I
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am far more cynical than you on this one.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
How so, I don't think anyone has any desire to
solve the problem. It's one thing to say it's a
really hard problem, and people are not willing to put
it into work. I don't think they care about solving
the problem. It's not about making i'll say life more affordable.
It's not about providing services. It's not abouting some sort
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of alternative. It's a good political football to kick around.
It's a good election issue. It's good to see yourself
grand standing, like Governor Newsom. You know, we're doing this
for homelessness, like Sheriff Vinnaweva in Venice Beach. You can
see we're you know, we're tackling homelessness. We're really cracking
down on homelessness. But it's a problem which is not
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ever going to be solved because I don't think anyone
wants to solve it because there's never any real focus
on the human element. Yes, you can put them in
temporary housing. Yes you can talk about transitional housing from
temporary to permanent, but there's never any real discussion or
action about the factors which lead to it and the
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circumstances surrounding it and how you can address them so
it doesn't so you don't have someone get off the
street and they're back in three months.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You may be right, actually, which is depressing. I hate
to admit that, like I was wrong, you were really,
But I think as a journalist especially, it is part
of the definition of what I do to try to
see things from the side of the underdog. And if
you look at it from that point of view, I mean,
what are they supposed to do? As in homeless people? Yeah, yeah,
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where do they go? What do they do? What can
they do? I mean it's not a wide range of choices.
I mean you can always say get a job, but
that's really kind of a thoughtless approach to it, because
that's an unserious response. Yeah, if they could, they most
probably would some wouldn't. There's always exceptions, but most people
will do what is necessary to not be homeless. And
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people just get stuck. You know, they have a run
of bad luck. You know, they have medical The United
States has more medical bankruptcies than any country on Earth.
There are any number of factors that could lead you
or I or Foosh or Tawala to being homeless any month,
and we have to have some humility when we discussed
this mark.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We didn't get a chance to talk about this, and
maybe we should have started talking about this earlier.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In the segment. You received a very nice email. Yes
I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
From someone who is homeless living in their car, yet
listens to KFI all the time. And I think it
should remind us of the wide spectrum of what homelessness
actually is. It's not just sleeping in a cardboard crate.
It's not just suffering from emotional or substance abuse issues.
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There's a wide spectrum and there are a lot of
things in between that people sometimes forget. The people who
are living in their cars, who are working and living
in their cars. It's more than just the stereotypical view
of someone who's rolling all their belongings in a shopping
cart down the street.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think it.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Makes it much easier to dismiss if you just regard
homeless people as a bunch of bums and they're not.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, ca if I Am six
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we come back. We're going to tell you how you
can go to school if you will for game shows.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I missed Jean Rayburn. He was the best with that long,
skinny microphone.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I liked it when panelists got out of line and
he would go on a rant about how it was
his show and he'd grab onto the camera and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Hoy was the best.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Who do you think was the funniest person on that show?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh, Charles Nelson Riley, no question about it. Not Richard Dawson.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
He was funny, but he could get drunken blichering sometimes.
You gotta remember that they were drinking the whole time
they filmed these, and they would film several at once,
and you can see if you watch several in a
row while you yourself are at home having a cocktail
that they get progressively drunkard throughout a show. In fact,
I watched one a few months ago where Scoey Mitchell,
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you remember him vaguely, He was.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So trashed he could barely speak in an episode. Was
Fanny Flag on Match Game? I believe so? Yeah, Mo
Kelly Kfi.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Game shows, if you're as old as me, you grew
up during the golden age of game shows. You come home,
they come on at maybe seven o'clock at night or something.
It could be Match Game PM, it could be twenty
five thousand dollars Pyramid, could be Jeopardy of course, Jokers wild.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But it was great.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I would say it was the forerunner of modern reality television.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It was unscripted for the most part.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And you had everyday people, people who look like you,
people who live like you, and it was fun. And
then TV went away from it for I would say
a couple decades. And now they've come back in a
different form. They you know, the games now are just different.
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They don't have the same type of fun. I don't
think as they did in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, things have changed.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Like remember Gene Rayburn always made a point of groping
whatever female contestant he had, his arm was around him
for an uncomfortable amount of time. And what by the way,
we should note Peter Marshall just passed estly and if
you don't know anything about him, he was quite an
accomplished showman, singer actor outside of Hollywood Squares, he is
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well worth checking into.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And the reason we're talking about this is because cal
State LA they have debuted their first college course, America's
first college course, which is studying TV game shows, and
classes will be taught by a series of visiting professors,
including producers of Hollywood Squares. Since we mentioned Peter Marshall
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and the Weakest Link and Brooke Burns is going to
be one of the professors and she's the new host
of Tic Tac Doe. I'm sorry, Tic Tac Dough can
only be done by Wink Martindale.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I don't think we appreciated Wink enough at the time
back in the day, because he.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Was like number three or number four on the list.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
He was up against Bob Barker, he was up against
Gene Rayburn, you know Bert Convy with card Sharks. They
had huge personalities.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
They did and I believe Wink is still with us.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. If he isn't, i'm sorry, But
as far as I know he is, I believe maybe
I should try to get him on while you're Gone's
not herself. Let's look it up, definitely, let's look it
up so we least speak correct. As you look him up,
I'll give you some more information about the class. The
first class includes the history of game shows and all
the different jobs in the field. The second is about development,
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creating and testing and pitching an idea. In the third class,
you actually produce a pilot, and the idea came from
Wheel of Fortune. Do Sir Harry Friedman and brought this
to cal State LA. I wish they had courses like
this when I was in college. This would have been
pretty fun, and I wouldn't say easy, but it would
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be something to be very enjoyable to learn about the
history of game shows and also how they're created, what
goes on behind the scenes, some of the great moments
in game show history. I've had friends who've been on
Jeopardy that a bunch of friends who've been on the
Price is right. I don't know if I know anyone
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who's been on Family Feud, you know Richard Dawson who
was tonguing down everyone.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Yeah, that got a little uncomfortable too, didn't it. I
don't think Steve Harvey does that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
No, no, no, But Steve has other issues, you know,
is that right?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Okay, so wink Martindale is still with us. He's ninety ninety. Wow, impressive.
Had a hair on the man. Honestly, it's it's like
it's like the Cliffs of Dover. There were some shows
I never could get into. It just didn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Like I was never a fan, regardless of hosts of
Let's Make a Deal, Montey Hall or whomever.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I just I just never really liked the show.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Well, but on a sick day when you're staying home
from school and it's on, it's just kind of a big,
fun freak show.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I guess it is. But I was more you know, prices, right.
I really like card Sharks, which was in the evening.
Jokers Wild was in the evening, And for some reason,
I think Jokers Wild came on like right before, right
after Benny Hill. It's like the same program block. You
do not want to start me talking about Benny Hill. Look,
I try to tell people all the time. Benny Hill
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was a legitimate actor. He was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
People forget that hilariously funny, brilliantly funny.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Wait, Mo, weren't you on a game show? Yes? I
did Dating Game and also Love Connection. Yeah, yeah, we're
not gonna get out this break. Come on.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, okay, when I did I think it was Love Connection?
Well I did one and there was the same production company,
so they had to do the other. And Tom Bergeron
was a host. When I did Love Connection, it wasn't
Chuck Woolery and yeah. In fact, if you go to
my let mean, if you go to my instagram at
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mister Mo Kelly, there is a clip and you can
check right now, Mark, because I know you want to
see this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
If you go to my Instagram in my featured clips,
let me see which one it is. Yeah, it's the
first one all the way to the left. It says
twelve four weekend. I don't know why it says that,
but there's a clip from me on Love Connection. And
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I can't remember her name, but she was she was
the worst. We went to Magic Mountain and they give
you free tickets to match you Mountain.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I think maybe one hundred dollars or something like that.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Chaperone. No, no, no, no, you just no. It's not the
days of Jim Lang anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Twala, don't think you're gonna get out of this so
easy either, because we know you've done some dating shows.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Oh you're killing No what what?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
No, yes, yes I did, but no one remembers that
the Fifth Wheel. No, not the fifth Wheel?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
What did you do? Uh? The fifth Clinic? Not the matchmaker?
What was it with uh? With the bus? No?
Speaker 7 (18:33):
No, no, no, no, wasn't on the one with the bus.
I was on the one where Roger Lodge was the host. Uh,
and they bring you it was me. It was like, no,
we we go. It's two couples. We go as a
couple and we're tired of being with each other and
they set us up with another date, blind date, blind date.
That Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just show that. Okay, look, no, see,
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Twala started something. Now I have to carry it over
until the next segment. There's too much story which has
to be told here.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'll tell you the story about dating game and love connection,
and Twala will tell you about Blind Date.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Oh yes, please, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Later with bo Kelly KFI AM six forty Life Everywhere,
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Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
Last segment, I was telling you about this game show
course which is starting at cal State LA. Learn everything
about producing a game show. You get to pitch a show,
create a show, pilot, all that kind of stuff. Then
Twala and his infinite wisdom want to bring my personal
business and history into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Say, Mo, weren't you on a game show?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And once upon a time I was flirting with TV
like I was an extra and lethal weapon.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Three.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I did Quantum Leap, not slanding some other shows, but
also to get seen. I was trying to do game shows.
I did Dating Game with Tom bergeron he was a
host at the time. And Love Connection and the host
was Pat Bullard. This is maybe ninety eight, okay. And
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when I went out on the date for Love Connection,
and we're going to play a portion of the date.
We went to Magic Mountain that gave us one hundred
dollars that much.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I pick her up. I can't remember. I think it
was some neutral location. She brought a coke can which
had a sticker for like a discount for tickets to
get into matric Mountain. And I'm thinking, like, they've already
paid for that. It's free. You don't have to get
a discount. She was cheap on cheap. She was not
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into me. I was not into her. She had the
worst attitude ever. I think her name was like Wendy
or something. It's like Windy or Wendy something like that.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Okay, since I know you, when have you looked her
up recently to find out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What I would if I can remember her name. I
don't remember her name.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, we got to find this out now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So if someone recognizes her in the clip and you
can find it at mister mo Kelly on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Is the clip in the highlighted clips.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It says twelve to four weekend for some reason, it's
all the way to the left. If you can find
her or if you recognize her, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Reach out. I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
If my life depended on it, I wouldn't know how
to get in touch with her.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
But here is the audio.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think you can hear it well enough about how
the date ended, it didn't go well. Oh, let me
just say this, And before we went on TV, the
producer was saying, like, hey, I think she's going to
try to light you up, and you know, don't go
easy on her because I think she's going to be
really mean. Like I'm not worried about it. It's like,
don't you know I have a mouth on me. I
had a lot of confidence back then. Also, my middle
name is William. Most people knew me as Will. My
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family to this day still calls me will So when
they referred to me as will, don't let that distracts you.
But here's like the latter portion of my time on
Love Connection. One of the women she's talking about was
the woman who commented on her hair and how.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Nice it looked and also was looking her up and down.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
The woman was looking for you up about I guess
I didn't know this bottom.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
I didn't pay attention to it like that.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
So then what happened when so basically we ate and
then he took me back to my hand.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I was like, okay, bye, and I got out the
car and I went on and that was it. That
was it.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
No, no, no biggy, little miss America way, you know,
that was about it. Every nice line, you know, I
was like, see you there. All right, Well, let's find
out how the audience voted. The audience also picked Will.
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Eighty one percent chose Will and person that you have
to get married with the two of you, and you're
like another day with the Will.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Of course we paid for it thing.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So that was basically I never saw her again, never
passed her again.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I don't. I just don't have any reference point.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And even though we've talked about it, but with the
internet today, if you see the clip and you recognize her,
reach out to her and let her know that I
still wouldn't go out with her again.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What didn't what didn't work? Why no sparks happened?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
She was her attitude was was garbage. She was she
had a stank attitude from minute one. I knew as
soon as I got out the car it was not
going to go well. Physically she was pretty, she was pretty,
but the stank attitude.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Wait, can you describe the attitude other than stink?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, stank is a serious descriptor.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Okay, thank you for the clarification.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
She she just was not present, She wasn't making any
effort and I didn't take it personally. If only because
you meet someone you don't have chemistry, now a big deal.
But when she if we played like the whole show,
she tried to go after me because she was trying
to show me up. It's like, look at here, this
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is not going to happen. And I, you know, I
wish I could find the whole show. My friend Chris
found that on an old VHS tape and so he
said that to me. So if you go to at
misterm mo'kelly on Instagram, the left highlighted clip says weekend
twelve four. I need to chase the name on it,
you'll find the clip. You get to see her. I
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think it's Windy or Whinny or something. I don't know
what it was. I never saw her since we didn't
cross paths or anything, and you know she lost out.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But hey, I.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Always wondered what went on after the show is because
you also see actors at the start of their career
on like old dating games and stuff. Yeah, I think
I saw Robert Vaughan from The Man from Uncle and
Tom Selleck on dating games and so you did not
go on to become a world famous.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I did not, but I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When I did dating game, I can't remember which one
I did first, but it was the same production company.
I was matched up with this woman by the name
of d That's all I remember. And she was there
specifically because she was trying to kick off her acting career.
She said, well, you're cool. Nice, We had a nice time,
but you know, I'm only here for this. I think
she even had a man at the time, so it
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was just she was very transparent. It was nice, we
had a good time, went out to dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
blah blah blah, but yeah, it was fine for what
it was. And you can't make it, but it's so
real now, Twala your turn.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Okay, Look, mine was.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
My setup for going on blind Day was because me
and at that time my roommate La La La La Anthony,
you know La La from MTV and movies and the
Shy and and what is it power and all. Okay,
So at one point.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We were talking about Carmelo Anthem and these ex wife. Yes,
when she's doing the thing with the with I think
Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Now, yes, and she's I think she's producing a movie
with for to do the Kim Kardashi star kid. Yeah, okay,
you see Lila everywhere. When she first moved to La. Uh,
she was on my rail station. She was my roommate
hanging out. Yeah you see boom and uh. And we
were at a bowling alley hanging out and a producer
(26:26):
for Blind Day said, hey, oh my god, YouTube make
a fantastic couple. Would you like to come on Blind Day?
And we're like, no, we're not a couple, just just
my roommates. My friend like, like, we hang out and
Lola was no, no, no, no, no, Tea. I want to
get on television.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
You kicked off her career TV wise. No, she always
wanted to be on TV. She said, I'm gonna be
on TV. I'm gonna marry a basketball star, I'm gonna
be a multi said all that. She said that when
she first touched down in La. She's doing it now.
But she wanted to go on this show and we
signed him.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
To do it.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
But she she was like, you know, a tea, I'm
not feeling well. I don't feel like doing it, or
do something else. And I said okay, but I committed
to doing it. I went on with a girl I
met at a Halloween party and we went on these
these and.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I went on my date with a young lady who
wanted to be an actress, and the date was interrupted
because Lola got sick. She I think she went to
Jerry's Deli and ate some bad student, yes, and ended
up in uh no, no, no, the one across the street
from Cedars, Oh, from Beverly Starter. Yeah, she got she
got sick there and ended up at Cedars and asked
(27:33):
me to come and be with her and hang out
with her because she didn't have any family friends here yet.
I went there with my date and we spent the
evening there and so and we were supposed to go
to uh the spawn place, the one that used to
be on Beverly the I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You remember the place?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
It was the place with all the hot tubs.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yes, I don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Yeah, I used to be on Beverly with where It's
just a place where you take dates and go on,
you know, on spa trips. But yeah, we were supposed
to go there and I didn't, And and we went
on blind date and the date that the that that
my date went on, he tried to clown and I
got riled up because they were like, tea same thing.
(28:19):
He's gonna come at you, don't be afraid to go hard,
and I did. I said some very unsavory things like hey,
it's all good, okay, we're all good here.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But they didn't know that you were ready to fight us.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Yeah, no, no, no, because I got really I was really
riled up, and they cut it and me and my
girl quote unquote, we stayed together.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Her name was a Sally. I remember that, it was
a Sally. Would you recognize her if you saw her?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah, no, I recognize her. Yeah, I would recognize her,
absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
She was real cool. She was real cool.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
But it did last past that because we were both
kind of just trying.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
To get seen.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So yeah, there we go. We told our story of
the world of entertainment. Oh real quickly, Twalli, you have
to tell your story about your Cheerios commercial.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
You know what, when I was married, my then wife
had us in a bunch of things.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
She was always gunning.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
For us to do some show something or another, and
she managed to get all of us and at the
time it was just me, her and Mason and our son,
and she got all of us in a honey nut
Cheerios commercial, one of those commercials where they have the
family sitting the house, we're all enjoying honey nut cheerios,
and that aired all over the place. But because of her,
(29:35):
we were in all types of televised things. Hey, Mark,
I have the link to that. I believe I've seen
this and it's mind blowing me. It's something special. Yes,
too bad.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
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Speaker 1 (29:51):
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Speaker 2 (29:57):
Gotta tell you, those really brought back some memories. Hadn't
thought about that, and I don't know when. And I
was telling Toalla Sharp, producer, We've been doing this entertainment
thing for quite a long time, more than thirty years.
And if you would have asked me when I graduated
college in the early nineties, like, Hey, do you know
(30:20):
you're gonna end up in radio, I would have said,
no way in hell, because I couldn't see that. I
was all about the music industry and trying to be
big Willie, trying to make as much money as I could.
You know, I was the exact same age as p
Diddy Sean Puffy Colmes. He was just coming into prominence
at that time. We were both in Washington, d C.
At that time. So I was going to be the
(30:43):
next big thing, or at least so I thought. And
so when I was working in the music business, it
was all about that. It was all about the parties,
the money, and I didn't know where it was going
to lead me.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But if anything, is.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Allowed me to have all these great stories that now
I get to tell to you here on KFI, just
wonderful life experiences that a lot of times they weren't
so wonderful at the time because I was trying to
make my way in entertainment, messing around with TV and
movies and Mark I don't know if I told you
(31:21):
when I was making reference to being an extra in
television and movies when I did Lethal Weapon three and
you get to meet Danny Glover and then I get
to have him on this show and I tell him
about that story. Ah, or when I and also met
Mel Gibson back then. But mel Gibson was not friendly
(31:43):
at all.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
I can see that I've interviewed him and he I
can see exactly how that would have gone.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, you weren't allowed to.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Like look at him, don't go near him, don't try
to talk to him. Danny Glover, and this is at
the height of lethal weapon popularity. Danny Glever was magnanimous.
He was just talking to everyone's like, hey, how you doing,
where you're from, where'd you go to school? What does
he want to be when you grow up? That type
of thing. That's who Danny Glever was. Mel Gibson was
(32:10):
just not friendly in that way. Maybe we just caught
him on a bad week because we were out there
for a number of days.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
But he wasn't friendly when I interviewed him either, And
that was way way back around the time of Brave Heart.
You really had to work to engage him.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, and he's another person i'd love to have a
conversation with now at this point his career, would absolutely
love to you.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Know, because of events in the intervening years, my interest
in mel Gibson has waned a little bit. But whatever
awful things he's done in his personal life, I still
think he's brilliant as a filmmaker and an actor.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, see, I wouldn't be interviewing him about those incidents
in his personal life. And because I've done this business
for so been in this business for so long, I
know that what happened with Mel Gibson is probably not uncommon.
In other words, if I catch enough people, celebrities, famous people,
(33:03):
when they're under the influence and they start letting all
that truth come out, I'm quite sure some similar sentiments
would come out of their mouths.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
You're probably right about that.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So that's why I don't get too high or too low,
or too far left or right when it comes to celebrities.
They are people some I've met who are absolutely wonderful people,
and there's some who I've met who are complete a holes.
And I don't shed a tear when bad things happen
to him, hurt or them.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Well, I mean, everybody's threshold is different. I'm less interested
in like a Will Smith movie at this point too,
But I also am an HP Lovecraft fan, and boy
was he a racist. So it's just you know, where
you draw your own lines.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, And for me, I think what Will Smith did
was abhorrent. It was horrible at the same time, in
the job that I do, I would still interview him
and I would ask him about that because I think
that's a part of the record that I would want
to be on. I would want to be on that
(34:10):
record as far as asking him about it and having
his answer to be directed to me, as far as
what happened, why it happened, and who are you now?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
It's complicated, Like I have also gone out of my
way never to put a dime in Roman Polanski's pocket,
but he's one of the most brilliant directors who ever
lived at the same.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Time, right, And you know, I think if anything we've seen,
you and me, we've seen because we've done this for
so long, they are really just people. Regardless of how
they may curate their Instagram or their publicists may try
to present him, her or them. They are just people,
and they oftentimes are not people that we would really
(34:54):
want to be around all that much.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
No, And I think you see you find that just
normal people when they are presented with temptations that you
and I are not, how they react can be a
real roar shock.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, because they don't live in the same world that
we do. They really don't. I'm talking about the upper
echelon celebrities, they don't have to answer to certain people
there for the most part. Told yes, all of the time,
they make all sorts of mistakes, and there are other
people who are literally there to clean them up and
protect them where they don't have to be held accountable
(35:29):
in any aspect of their lives. And although I'm quote
unquote somewhat of a public figure because I'm on KFI,
I'm not in that world and I don't have any
delusions of being in that world.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, that's a whole different stratosphere.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, but if anything, I like the opportunity to be
able to have conversations with those folks in that world.
And that's the best part of being in entertainment. The memories,
the stories, the anecdotes that you can't buy, that you
just can't happen across. Like, for example, when you told
me that you interviewed George Carlin, you know, it's like
(36:06):
that's worth more than gold as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It was one of the great experiences in my career
as a journalist. And he was terrific as well, smart guy,
he was as presented.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
For sure, And see that's something I will never be
able to experience well, You'll always have Shatner twice. Damn you,
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
We know some time ago Governor Gavin Newsom issued this
executive order trying to clamp down on homelessness, but his
order only had to do with state property, and I
made the point that, well, you got to be more
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than state property or it's not going to mean anything.
But since then, Governor Newsom has said, and I'm paraphrasing,
that he'll withhold money from local municipalities if they do
not do something with homelessness right where they are. And
since that time, you've heard about how long Beach was
cleaning out parks, clearing out parks, and now Santa Monica
(00:50):
at this very moment is considering banning sleeping in public
spaces and more.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This is a problem that has plagued the city Santa
Monica for years, but now the city says it's going
to get the homeless off the streets. City leaders are
holding a meeting right now to discuss the.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Sessue and I prepense to try and fix it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
NBC cours Darshah Phillips says, following it all for us, Darsha, what.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Do you know, Yeah, Robert. This comes in response to
a recent Supreme Court ruling that allows cities to make
sleeping outdoors illegal, and this is a hot button issue
that draws passionate arguments from both sides. On one hand,
you have residents and business owners who have complained about
the homeless population here in Santa Monica, expressing their fears
(01:37):
and frustrations with the drug use and mental illness. And
on the other hand, you have homeless advocates who say
the Supreme Court ruling and Governor Gavin Newsom's order for
cities to clear homeless encampments criminalizes being unhoused and does
nothing to solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, I was talking to Mark Thompson before I started
the show when I was previewing this, and if you've
never been to Santa Monica, to just drive through it
on any given day. Not all homelessness is created equal.
If you go down skid Row, that's one type of homelessness.
You go down Santa Monica, they're doing a whole lot better. Okay,
(02:17):
they may not have a house to live in, but
they're koutramah. You know, they're doing a whole lot better
than the folks on skid Row. I'm not saying it's optimal.
I'm not saying they want to be there. Well, maybe
some of them do. I'm not saying that it's like
living in an apartment. I'm just saying, if you have
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to be homeless, Santa Monica is probably the place to
be well.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Today's meeting in Santa Monica City Council will consider three proposals.
Two essentially would keep things as is and observe how
other cities handle the issue. One proposal would make sleeping
in public with sleeping bags and blankets illegal, but even
proponents of such an ordinance say they have little hope
that if it passes, it will be enforced.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
So the city, being compassionate, wants to limit it to
just state owned properties. There are a lot of state
owned properties, but most of the problems are on public properties.
I said that no camping laws that you see on
signs that every single park aren't being enforced.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Santa Monica has not provided a plan on how such
an ordinance banning sleeping in the public would be enforced.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
If it is, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You can ban sleeping in public, but either you won't
enforce it or you don't know how to enforce it.
So you happen upon homeless people sleeping on Third Street promenade,
which is not unusual, and so it's illegal. And then
you either ask them to move or you physically remove them,
(03:53):
You cite them, you arrest them. Then what are you
going to hold them in prison? Are you just going
to leave them with the citation? Do they go from
Third Street to fourth Street? Do they go to Santa
Monica Boulevard, do they go to Ocean Avenue? In other words,
are you just changing locations or you actually addressing the
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homelessness issue? That's the thing, and Mark, you and I
have been talking about this time and time again. It's
nice that you want to do something. You I'm saying
the city, it's nice that you want to do something.
It's nice you want to ban sleeping on public streets
and public parks. But you still have to address the
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people saying you just can't stop here.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Does it end the problem? No?
Speaker 7 (04:38):
No, no, And they're going to be sent to that
magical place called somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not in my backyard, not in my front yard, not
on my street. So long as I don't see it,
then it's okay. If you're saying you're going to ban
sleeping in public spaces in Santa Monica. Does that mean
they can go to the City of Palms. Does that
mean that they can go to Westwood? You know, because
they will go somewhere and you still haven't actually dealt
(05:05):
with the issue.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
People are so rude that they won't just phase out
of existence because they're offensive or inconvenient to you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, and see that's what they want ultimately, And if
you go back to the piece, yes, Santa Monica will
choose between one of three options. You know, either they
will ban it or they won't, or they have to
figure out whether they're going to do some study and
figure out if there's some way that they can possibly
implement some plan. It's not going to lead anywhere because
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you still haven't dealt with the real issue.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
People.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
No.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
I've mentioned before compared this to the theory of conservation
of energy. You can't just will stuff out of existence.
If you don't like something, you have to do something
about the cause of it instead of just brushing it
under the rug.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But there are two sides to this.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The city of Santa Monica and I don't want to
presume some sort of ulterior motive other than the city
is being forced to act because of what Governor Gavin
Newsom has sent down and the threat of withholding state
funds is enough to get cities to act, even though
(06:16):
it might be what I call false hustle, where they're acting.
Its motion, it's activity, but it's not really going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
It's like a homeless person shell game. Just move them around.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, that's exactly what it is. Because the number of
homeless people are not going to be decreased by you
forbidding them to sleep in public spaces.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So what are they going to do? Just keep walking?
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Yes, yeah, the uh, just walking in a circle around
the wheel of pain.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's just don't stop. Just don't go to sleep. If
you go to sleep, we'll have to cite you. If
you keep on walking, there's nothing we can do to you.
But what's happening in Santa Monica right now, at this
very moment, will probably be happening in a number of cities,
if only because there's a fear of losing out on
resources and funds, not actually an idea which would actually
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address the problem.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Doesn't it seem to you though, mo like sometimes people
just throw up their hands when there's not an immediate
and easy and evident solution to a problem like this.
I mean, if there was an easy solution to homelessness,
we'd have it by now. But it's a nuanced issue
and it requires a lot of work and thought, and
I think people just just want them out of the way.
They don't want to deal with the hard part. I
(07:35):
am far more cynical than you on this one.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
How so, I don't think anyone has any desire to
solve the problem. It's one thing to say it's a
really hard problem, and people are not willing to put
it into work. I don't think they care about solving
the problem. It's not about making i'll say life more affordable.
It's not about providing services. It's not abouting some sort
(08:00):
of alternative. It's a good political football to kick around.
It's a good election issue. It's good to see yourself
grand standing, like Governor Newsom. You know, we're doing this
for homelessness, like Sheriff Vinnaweva in Venice Beach. You can
see we're you know, we're tackling homelessness. We're really cracking
down on homelessness. But it's a problem which is not
(08:23):
ever going to be solved because I don't think anyone
wants to solve it because there's never any real focus
on the human element. Yes, you can put them in
temporary housing. Yes you can talk about transitional housing from
temporary to permanent, but there's never any real discussion or
action about the factors which lead to it and the
(08:45):
circumstances surrounding it and how you can address them so
it doesn't so you don't have someone get off the
street and they're back in three months.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You may be right, actually, which is depressing. I hate
to admit that, like I was wrong, you were really,
But I think as a journalist especially, it is part
of the definition of what I do to try to
see things from the side of the underdog. And if
you look at it from that point of view, I mean,
what are they supposed to do? As in homeless people? Yeah, yeah,
(09:17):
where do they go? What do they do? What can
they do? I mean it's not a wide range of choices.
I mean you can always say get a job, but
that's really kind of a thoughtless approach to it, because
that's an unserious response. Yeah, if they could, they most
probably would some wouldn't. There's always exceptions, but most people
will do what is necessary to not be homeless. And
(09:40):
people just get stuck. You know, they have a run
of bad luck. You know, they have medical The United
States has more medical bankruptcies than any country on Earth.
There are any number of factors that could lead you
or I or Foosh or Tawala to being homeless any month,
and we have to have some humility when we discussed
this mark.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We didn't get a chance to talk about this, and
maybe we should have started talking about this earlier.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In the segment. You received a very nice email. Yes
I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
From someone who is homeless living in their car, yet
listens to KFI all the time. And I think it
should remind us of the wide spectrum of what homelessness
actually is. It's not just sleeping in a cardboard crate.
It's not just suffering from emotional or substance abuse issues.
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There's a wide spectrum and there are a lot of
things in between that people sometimes forget. The people who
are living in their cars, who are working and living
in their cars. It's more than just the stereotypical view
of someone who's rolling all their belongings in a shopping
cart down the street.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think it.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Makes it much easier to dismiss if you just regard
homeless people as a bunch of bums and they're not.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, ca if I Am six
forty one live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and we'll
we come back. We're going to tell you how you
can go to school if you will for game shows.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I missed Jean Rayburn. He was the best with that long,
skinny microphone.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I liked it when panelists got out of line and
he would go on a rant about how it was
his show and he'd grab onto the camera and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Hoy was the best.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Who do you think was the funniest person on that show?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh, Charles Nelson Riley, no question about it. Not Richard Dawson.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
He was funny, but he could get drunken blichering sometimes.
You gotta remember that they were drinking the whole time
they filmed these, and they would film several at once,
and you can see if you watch several in a
row while you yourself are at home having a cocktail
that they get progressively drunkard throughout a show. In fact,
I watched one a few months ago where Scoey Mitchell,
(12:03):
you remember him vaguely, He was.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So trashed he could barely speak in an episode. Was
Fanny Flag on Match Game? I believe so? Yeah, Mo
Kelly Kfi.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Game shows, if you're as old as me, you grew
up during the golden age of game shows. You come home,
they come on at maybe seven o'clock at night or something.
It could be Match Game PM, it could be twenty
five thousand dollars Pyramid, could be Jeopardy of course, Jokers wild.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But it was great.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I would say it was the forerunner of modern reality television.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It was unscripted for the most part.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And you had everyday people, people who look like you,
people who live like you, and it was fun. And
then TV went away from it for I would say
a couple decades. And now they've come back in a
different form. They you know, the games now are just different.
(13:05):
They don't have the same type of fun. I don't
think as they did in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, things have changed.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Like remember Gene Rayburn always made a point of groping
whatever female contestant he had, his arm was around him
for an uncomfortable amount of time. And what by the way,
we should note Peter Marshall just passed estly and if
you don't know anything about him, he was quite an
accomplished showman, singer actor outside of Hollywood Squares, he is
(13:32):
well worth checking into.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And the reason we're talking about this is because cal
State LA they have debuted their first college course, America's
first college course, which is studying TV game shows, and
classes will be taught by a series of visiting professors,
including producers of Hollywood Squares. Since we mentioned Peter Marshall
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and the Weakest Link and Brooke Burns is going to
be one of the professors and she's the new host
of Tic Tac Doe. I'm sorry, Tic Tac Dough can
only be done by Wink Martindale.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I don't think we appreciated Wink enough at the time
back in the day, because he.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Was like number three or number four on the list.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
He was up against Bob Barker, he was up against
Gene Rayburn, you know Bert Convy with card Sharks. They
had huge personalities.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
They did and I believe Wink is still with us.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. If he isn't, i'm sorry, But
as far as I know he is, I believe maybe
I should try to get him on while you're Gone's
not herself. Let's look it up, definitely, let's look it
up so we least speak correct. As you look him up,
I'll give you some more information about the class. The
first class includes the history of game shows and all
the different jobs in the field. The second is about development,
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creating and testing and pitching an idea. In the third class,
you actually produce a pilot, and the idea came from
Wheel of Fortune. Do Sir Harry Friedman and brought this
to cal State LA. I wish they had courses like
this when I was in college. This would have been
pretty fun, and I wouldn't say easy, but it would
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be something to be very enjoyable to learn about the
history of game shows and also how they're created, what
goes on behind the scenes, some of the great moments
in game show history. I've had friends who've been on
Jeopardy that a bunch of friends who've been on the
Price is right. I don't know if I know anyone
(15:31):
who's been on Family Feud, you know Richard Dawson who
was tonguing down everyone.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Yeah, that got a little uncomfortable too, didn't it. I
don't think Steve Harvey does that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
No, no, no, But Steve has other issues, you know,
is that right?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Okay, so wink Martindale is still with us. He's ninety ninety. Wow, impressive.
Had a hair on the man. Honestly, it's it's like
it's like the Cliffs of Dover. There were some shows
I never could get into. It just didn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Like I was never a fan, regardless of hosts of
Let's Make a Deal, Montey Hall or whomever.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I just I just never really liked the show.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Well, but on a sick day when you're staying home
from school and it's on, it's just kind of a big,
fun freak show.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I guess it is. But I was more you know, prices, right.
I really like card Sharks, which was in the evening.
Jokers Wild was in the evening, And for some reason,
I think Jokers Wild came on like right before, right
after Benny Hill. It's like the same program block. You
do not want to start me talking about Benny Hill. Look,
I try to tell people all the time. Benny Hill
(16:43):
was a legitimate actor. He was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
People forget that hilariously funny, brilliantly funny.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Wait, Mo, weren't you on a game show? Yes? I
did Dating Game and also Love Connection. Yeah, yeah, we're
not gonna get out this break. Come on.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, okay, when I did I think it was Love Connection?
Well I did one and there was the same production company,
so they had to do the other. And Tom Bergeron
was a host. When I did Love Connection, it wasn't
Chuck Woolery and yeah. In fact, if you go to
my let mean, if you go to my instagram at
(17:24):
mister Mo Kelly, there is a clip and you can
check right now, Mark, because I know you want to
see this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
If you go to my Instagram in my featured clips,
let me see which one it is. Yeah, it's the
first one all the way to the left. It says
twelve four weekend. I don't know why it says that,
but there's a clip from me on Love Connection. And
(17:52):
I can't remember her name, but she was she was
the worst. We went to Magic Mountain and they give
you free tickets to match you Mountain.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I think maybe one hundred dollars or something like that.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Chaperone. No, no, no, no, you just no. It's not the
days of Jim Lang anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Twala, don't think you're gonna get out of this so
easy either, because we know you've done some dating shows.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Oh you're killing No what what?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
No, yes, yes I did, but no one remembers that
the Fifth Wheel. No, not the fifth Wheel?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
What did you do? Uh? The fifth Clinic? Not the matchmaker?
What was it with uh? With the bus? No?
Speaker 7 (18:33):
No, no, no, no, wasn't on the one with the bus.
I was on the one where Roger Lodge was the host. Uh,
and they bring you it was me. It was like, no,
we we go. It's two couples. We go as a
couple and we're tired of being with each other and
they set us up with another date, blind date, blind date.
That Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just show that. Okay, look, no, see,
(18:58):
Twala started something. Now I have to carry it over
until the next segment. There's too much story which has
to be told here.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'll tell you the story about dating game and love connection,
and Twala will tell you about Blind Date.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Oh yes, please, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Later with bo Kelly KFI AM six forty Life Everywhere,
the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Last segment, I was telling you about this game show
course which is starting at cal State LA. Learn everything
about producing a game show. You get to pitch a show,
create a show, pilot, all that kind of stuff. Then
Twala and his infinite wisdom want to bring my personal
business and history into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Say, Mo, weren't you on a game show?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And once upon a time I was flirting with TV
like I was an extra and lethal weapon.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Three.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I did Quantum Leap, not slanding some other shows, but
also to get seen. I was trying to do game shows.
I did Dating Game with Tom bergeron he was a
host at the time. And Love Connection and the host
was Pat Bullard. This is maybe ninety eight, okay. And
(20:14):
when I went out on the date for Love Connection,
and we're going to play a portion of the date.
We went to Magic Mountain that gave us one hundred
dollars that much.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I pick her up. I can't remember. I think it
was some neutral location. She brought a coke can which
had a sticker for like a discount for tickets to
get into matric Mountain. And I'm thinking, like, they've already
paid for that. It's free. You don't have to get
a discount. She was cheap on cheap. She was not
(20:46):
into me. I was not into her. She had the
worst attitude ever. I think her name was like Wendy
or something. It's like Windy or Wendy something like that.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Okay, since I know you, when have you looked her
up recently to find out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What I would if I can remember her name. I
don't remember her name.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, we got to find this out now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So if someone recognizes her in the clip and you
can find it at mister mo Kelly on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Is the clip in the highlighted clips.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It says twelve to four weekend for some reason, it's
all the way to the left. If you can find
her or if you recognize her, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Reach out. I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
If my life depended on it, I wouldn't know how
to get in touch with her.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
But here is the audio.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think you can hear it well enough about how
the date ended, it didn't go well. Oh, let me
just say this, And before we went on TV, the
producer was saying, like, hey, I think she's going to
try to light you up, and you know, don't go
easy on her because I think she's going to be
really mean. Like I'm not worried about it. It's like,
don't you know I have a mouth on me. I
had a lot of confidence back then. Also, my middle
name is William. Most people knew me as Will. My
(21:55):
family to this day still calls me will So when
they referred to me as will, don't let that distracts you.
But here's like the latter portion of my time on
Love Connection. One of the women she's talking about was
the woman who commented on her hair and how.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Nice it looked and also was looking her up and down.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
The woman was looking for you up about I guess
I didn't know this bottom.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
I didn't pay attention to it like that.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
So then what happened when so basically we ate and
then he took me back to my hand.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I was like, okay, bye, and I got out the
car and I went on and that was it. That
was it.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
No, no, no biggy, little miss America way, you know,
that was about it. Every nice line, you know, I
was like, see you there. All right, Well, let's find
out how the audience voted. The audience also picked Will.
(22:51):
Eighty one percent chose Will and person that you have
to get married with the two of you, and you're
like another day with the Will.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Of course we paid for it thing.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So that was basically I never saw her again, never
passed her again.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I don't. I just don't have any reference point.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And even though we've talked about it, but with the
internet today, if you see the clip and you recognize her,
reach out to her and let her know that I
still wouldn't go out with her again.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What didn't what didn't work? Why no sparks happened?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
She was her attitude was was garbage. She was she
had a stank attitude from minute one. I knew as
soon as I got out the car it was not
going to go well. Physically she was pretty, she was pretty,
but the stank attitude.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Wait, can you describe the attitude other than stink?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, stank is a serious descriptor.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Okay, thank you for the clarification.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
She she just was not present, She wasn't making any
effort and I didn't take it personally. If only because
you meet someone you don't have chemistry, now a big deal.
But when she if we played like the whole show,
she tried to go after me because she was trying
to show me up. It's like, look at here, this
(24:10):
is not going to happen. And I, you know, I
wish I could find the whole show. My friend Chris
found that on an old VHS tape and so he
said that to me. So if you go to at
misterm mo'kelly on Instagram, the left highlighted clip says weekend
twelve four. I need to chase the name on it,
you'll find the clip. You get to see her. I
(24:30):
think it's Windy or Whinny or something. I don't know
what it was. I never saw her since we didn't
cross paths or anything, and you know she lost out.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But hey, I.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Always wondered what went on after the show is because
you also see actors at the start of their career
on like old dating games and stuff. Yeah, I think
I saw Robert Vaughan from The Man from Uncle and
Tom Selleck on dating games and so you did not
go on to become a world famous.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I did not, but I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When I did dating game, I can't remember which one
I did first, but it was the same production company.
I was matched up with this woman by the name
of d That's all I remember. And she was there
specifically because she was trying to kick off her acting career.
She said, well, you're cool. Nice, We had a nice time,
but you know, I'm only here for this. I think
she even had a man at the time, so it
(25:23):
was just she was very transparent. It was nice, we
had a good time, went out to dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
blah blah blah, but yeah, it was fine for what
it was. And you can't make it, but it's so
real now, Twala your turn.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Okay, Look, mine was.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
My setup for going on blind Day was because me
and at that time my roommate La La La La Anthony,
you know La La from MTV and movies and the
Shy and and what is it power and all. Okay,
So at one point.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We were talking about Carmelo Anthem and these ex wife. Yes,
when she's doing the thing with the with I think
Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Now, yes, and she's I think she's producing a movie
with for to do the Kim Kardashi star kid. Yeah, okay,
you see Lila everywhere. When she first moved to La. Uh,
she was on my rail station. She was my roommate
hanging out. Yeah you see boom and uh. And we
were at a bowling alley hanging out and a producer
(26:26):
for Blind Day said, hey, oh my god, YouTube make
a fantastic couple. Would you like to come on Blind Day?
And we're like, no, we're not a couple, just just
my roommates. My friend like, like, we hang out and
Lola was no, no, no, no, no, Tea. I want to
get on television.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
You kicked off her career TV wise. No, she always
wanted to be on TV. She said, I'm gonna be
on TV. I'm gonna marry a basketball star, I'm gonna
be a multi said all that. She said that when
she first touched down in La. She's doing it now.
But she wanted to go on this show and we
signed him.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
To do it.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
But she she was like, you know, a tea, I'm
not feeling well. I don't feel like doing it, or
do something else. And I said okay, but I committed
to doing it. I went on with a girl I
met at a Halloween party and we went on these
these and.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I went on my date with a young lady who
wanted to be an actress, and the date was interrupted
because Lola got sick. She I think she went to
Jerry's Deli and ate some bad student, yes, and ended
up in uh no, no, no, the one across the street
from Cedars, Oh, from Beverly Starter. Yeah, she got she
got sick there and ended up at Cedars and asked
(27:33):
me to come and be with her and hang out
with her because she didn't have any family friends here yet.
I went there with my date and we spent the
evening there and so and we were supposed to go
to uh the spawn place, the one that used to
be on Beverly the I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You remember the place?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
It was the place with all the hot tubs.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yes, I don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Yeah, I used to be on Beverly with where It's
just a place where you take dates and go on,
you know, on spa trips. But yeah, we were supposed
to go there and I didn't, And and we went
on blind date and the date that the that that
my date went on, he tried to clown and I
got riled up because they were like, tea same thing.
(28:19):
He's gonna come at you, don't be afraid to go hard,
and I did. I said some very unsavory things like hey,
it's all good, okay, we're all good here.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But they didn't know that you were ready to fight us.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Yeah, no, no, no, because I got really I was really
riled up, and they cut it and me and my
girl quote unquote, we stayed together.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Her name was a Sally. I remember that, it was
a Sally. Would you recognize her if you saw her?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah, no, I recognize her. Yeah, I would recognize her,
absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
She was real cool. She was real cool.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
But it did last past that because we were both
kind of just trying.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
To get seen.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So yeah, there we go. We told our story of
the world of entertainment. Oh real quickly, Twalli, you have
to tell your story about your Cheerios commercial.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
You know what, when I was married, my then wife
had us in a bunch of things.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
She was always gunning.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
For us to do some show something or another, and
she managed to get all of us and at the
time it was just me, her and Mason and our son,
and she got all of us in a honey nut
Cheerios commercial, one of those commercials where they have the
family sitting the house, we're all enjoying honey nut cheerios,
and that aired all over the place. But because of her,
(29:35):
we were in all types of televised things. Hey, Mark,
I have the link to that. I believe I've seen
this and it's mind blowing me. It's something special. Yes,
too bad.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
We have to go to break this land with Kelly
six forty WeLive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Gotta tell you, those really brought back some memories. Hadn't
thought about that, and I don't know when. And I
was telling Toalla Sharp, producer, We've been doing this entertainment
thing for quite a long time, more than thirty years.
And if you would have asked me when I graduated
college in the early nineties, like, Hey, do you know
(30:20):
you're gonna end up in radio, I would have said,
no way in hell, because I couldn't see that. I
was all about the music industry and trying to be
big Willie, trying to make as much money as I could.
You know, I was the exact same age as p
Diddy Sean Puffy Colmes. He was just coming into prominence
at that time. We were both in Washington, d C.
At that time. So I was going to be the
(30:43):
next big thing, or at least so I thought. And
so when I was working in the music business, it
was all about that. It was all about the parties,
the money, and I didn't know where it was going
to lead me.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But if anything, is.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Allowed me to have all these great stories that now
I get to tell to you here on KFI, just
wonderful life experiences that a lot of times they weren't
so wonderful at the time because I was trying to
make my way in entertainment, messing around with TV and
movies and Mark I don't know if I told you
(31:21):
when I was making reference to being an extra in
television and movies when I did Lethal Weapon three and
you get to meet Danny Glover and then I get
to have him on this show and I tell him
about that story. Ah, or when I and also met
Mel Gibson back then. But mel Gibson was not friendly
(31:43):
at all.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
I can see that I've interviewed him and he I
can see exactly how that would have gone.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, you weren't allowed to.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Like look at him, don't go near him, don't try
to talk to him. Danny Glover, and this is at
the height of lethal weapon popularity. Danny Glever was magnanimous.
He was just talking to everyone's like, hey, how you doing,
where you're from, where'd you go to school? What does
he want to be when you grow up? That type
of thing. That's who Danny Glever was. Mel Gibson was
(32:10):
just not friendly in that way. Maybe we just caught
him on a bad week because we were out there
for a number of days.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
But he wasn't friendly when I interviewed him either, And
that was way way back around the time of Brave Heart.
You really had to work to engage him.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, and he's another person i'd love to have a
conversation with now at this point his career, would absolutely
love to you.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Know, because of events in the intervening years, my interest
in mel Gibson has waned a little bit. But whatever
awful things he's done in his personal life, I still
think he's brilliant as a filmmaker and an actor.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, see, I wouldn't be interviewing him about those incidents
in his personal life. And because I've done this business
for so been in this business for so long, I
know that what happened with Mel Gibson is probably not uncommon.
In other words, if I catch enough people, celebrities, famous people,
(33:03):
when they're under the influence and they start letting all
that truth come out, I'm quite sure some similar sentiments
would come out of their mouths.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
You're probably right about that.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So that's why I don't get too high or too low,
or too far left or right when it comes to celebrities.
They are people some I've met who are absolutely wonderful people,
and there's some who I've met who are complete a holes.
And I don't shed a tear when bad things happen
to him, hurt or them.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Well, I mean, everybody's threshold is different. I'm less interested
in like a Will Smith movie at this point too,
But I also am an HP Lovecraft fan, and boy
was he a racist. So it's just you know, where
you draw your own lines.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, And for me, I think what Will Smith did
was abhorrent. It was horrible at the same time, in
the job that I do, I would still interview him
and I would ask him about that because I think
that's a part of the record that I would want
to be on. I would want to be on that
(34:10):
record as far as asking him about it and having
his answer to be directed to me, as far as
what happened, why it happened, and who are you now?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
It's complicated, Like I have also gone out of my
way never to put a dime in Roman Polanski's pocket,
but he's one of the most brilliant directors who ever
lived at the same.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Time, right, And you know, I think if anything we've seen,
you and me, we've seen because we've done this for
so long, they are really just people. Regardless of how
they may curate their Instagram or their publicists may try
to present him, her or them. They are just people,
and they oftentimes are not people that we would really
(34:54):
want to be around all that much.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
No, And I think you see you find that just
normal people when they are presented with temptations that you
and I are not, how they react can be a
real roar shock.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, because they don't live in the same world that
we do. They really don't. I'm talking about the upper
echelon celebrities, they don't have to answer to certain people
there for the most part. Told yes, all of the time,
they make all sorts of mistakes, and there are other
people who are literally there to clean them up and
protect them where they don't have to be held accountable
(35:29):
in any aspect of their lives. And although I'm quote
unquote somewhat of a public figure because I'm on KFI,
I'm not in that world and I don't have any
delusions of being in that world.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, that's a whole different stratosphere.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, but if anything, I like the opportunity to be
able to have conversations with those folks in that world.
And that's the best part of being in entertainment. The memories,
the stories, the anecdotes that you can't buy, that you
just can't happen across. Like, for example, when you told
me that you interviewed George Carlin, you know, it's like
(36:06):
that's worth more than gold as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It was one of the great experiences in my career
as a journalist. And he was terrific as well, smart guy,
he was as presented.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
For sure, And see that's something I will never be
able to experience well, You'll always have Shatner twice. Damn you,
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