August 31, 2024 • 34 mins
Intro and icebreaker // Suspected serial groper terrorizes Los Angeles women in grocery store aisles // Letter from a homeless listener // California lawmakers approve school phone restrictions / It's time to ban smartphones in the workplace
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kf I AM sixty. You're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's Later with Moe Kelly on kf I AM six
forty live everywhere on your iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
in for mo He and Tuala have a couple of
nights off, and I'll be sitting in same show, same vibe,
same crew, same chair all although I hope it's Scotch guarded,
might as well keep it consistent. I'm usually chiming in
from the safety of the news booth, but I could
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get used to this. I thought for a second I
was gonna have to run back and forth all night,
but somebody will be filling in for me. We're gonna
have fun tonight. It's Friday night, no need to get
too heavy. We're gonna do name that cult movie classic,
just like normal. We have a special theme tonight. We've
got a special surprise guest at eight pm and a
Runner report after that with a rundown on some stuff
to watch and plenty of juvenile borderline inappropriate back and
(01:03):
forth with the crew with me tonight is my pal
Tiffany Hobbs, who you know from the viral loads, segments
and from some time in the host chair herself. There's
no one I'd be happy to have with me tonight,
especially in case I have a stroke or about of incontinence.
We got this right, We have this. Thank you for
being here with me, Tiffany having me. There is no
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one I'd rather be with. I'll tell you this. I'm
you've probably picked up on this because the clues aren't
exactly subtle. I'm a fairly guarded person and you just
charged right through my barriers right when we met. I'm like, no, please,
do not approach, and you just you announced right away
when we met. Sorry, I'm a hugger and that was
kind of it. We can go into detail about my
(01:45):
PTSD another time, but I'll just say I think you
should be a therapist.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I you know, I've heard that before, and if anything,
I would definitely love to practice on you.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe we should
just leave it right there. In the fancy control room,
we have Foosh working the board. Phosh, we got this tonight.
We absolutely do. You got my back in case I
just start crying abruptly decompensating. Absolutely, yeah, okay, and we
got some stuff for you to play, and I'm relying
on your supernatural sense of timing. I need you all
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to know that I am not ordering food for everyone tonight.
Does that change anything for anyone to hear? Are you
going to be You're gonna be stingy with the rim
shots now, fosh filling us? Okay, all right, I see
what we're in for. Filling us in the news booth,
Andrew Caravella. I hope you know, Andrew, the news anchor
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plays it completely straight and sticks strictly to the news
like a vulcan for the entire three hours.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You can do that, right, You're not mo Okay? All right?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Will you have a trainee in there with you tonight
eventually when their uber arrives.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yes, I see.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was helping trainer and I noticed a pretty quick
learning curve and I told her, you're going to have
my job pretty soon, and I just didn't think it
was going to be this soon. So nice to be
expendable story. I'm going to tell you lots of fun
stuff tonight, including that special guest. But before we get
to that big thanks to Robin our authority figure of course,
Chris Little.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
When Robin called me.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
She asked if I'd be interested in hosting some shows,
and I said, I thought you'd never ask And she said, well,
why didn't you ask me?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And what I should have said.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Was because I was too focused on working hard to
be the best news anchor I could possibly be for
you and Chris Little at KFI. What I actually said
was something like, uh, I don't know, without making things
too cheesy right off the bat, thanks to Mow and
to Walla. Really too great and generous friends. Anybody be
(03:51):
lucky to have, not like your radio Hey, you're great,
buddy type of friends, but the kind who act like
friends when they don't have to.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
No, he's watching or listening.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, they're not hearing this, And I wouldn't say
it to their faces, because that is not our love language.
Busting on each other is our love language, and that
has actually showed up in some promos. Fush can you
play the first one? Whoshi are you alive? Will you
play the first promo? You've always wanted your face on
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a Wheati's box, haven't you? Nope, because you've made references
to wanting buildings named after you.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wheedye's boxes even a step down from that, Wheaty's boxes
reserved for athletes.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Moe Kelly name on the building Reserve for Legends Live
seven to ten pm on KFI and on demand anytime
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So, of course I enjoy making fun of Moe's ego.
Anybody who has mentioned, even in passing, wanting a building
named after them, that's fair game. But that's not all
there is. Fush, she got one more in there. Let's
hear that.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
My doctor put them on the scale and I was
at one ninety one and considered obese.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You're looking at me, am I obese?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Not at all, not at all. You look great.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
By the way, I'm one eighty one right now.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Because I always want to have a reference point as
to where I was, But I don't obsess. I usually
weigh myself once a month something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Not getting on the scale, if you have one, takes
a lot of discipline.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Oh it's a lot, because I know it could ruin
my day. Now, I don't feel so bad about getting
on the scale last week. Feel a little better about myself.
I gotta say, I think you're looking a little pear shaped. Oh, boy,
the FCC is saving you right about it. So that's
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our love language.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's what we do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's how men express affection for other men, apart from
putting our hands on each other's thighs. Also, Mo and
Tuala a couple of world class fellow nerds, even if
Tuala doesn't like the original Star Trek, and even if
Moe is unable to appreciate the beauty and profundity of
the old David Carrety in Kung Fu series. When you
love people, you accept their flaws and you mock them
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relentlessly constantly. I say, we're off and running, Tiffany, how
are you feeling, Mark?
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I love you flaws in Pau.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, don't make me cry. Then my goal is you
get through the whole three hours without crime. It's Friday night.
Let's get this party started. Did I do this right?
Have I?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, we're even getting the timing all correct. Well, now
to the KFI Twitter. No, let's tease the next segment first. Sure,
we're still getting used to this when we come back.
Have you been groped in the produce department? Anyone can
give your melons a non consensual squeeze? Well, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
On to our next story, has this person grabbed your
honey ham while shopping at the South in Los Angeles
location of Ralph's on sell Vermont Avenue. Apparently a woman
was browsing the spice Atisle Sunday morning on August twenty fifth,
when a stranger allegedly grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before
quickly walking away. And I didn't realize that this was
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an issue, but we have some audio from the woman.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Let's play that please.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I felt violated.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
I couldn't believe this was happening to me.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
While shopping at Ralph's at twenty six hundred Seals Vermont
Avenue in Los Angeles, this young woman was rousing the
spice atile on Sunday morning it when a stranger suddenly
grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before quickly walking away.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I was mad. I was very angry. Angry would be
the word to best describe it.
Speaker 9 (07:40):
She let Ralph's employees know she had been touched inappropriately.
Security told her the man was still in the store,
so she waited by the exit to confront him.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
It happened so fast that I just remember just straight
punching him in the eye.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
He never said a word. He never said a word
to me.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
The grouper got into a car with another man and
left before police arrived. Turns out this woman wasn't the
only victim.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
There was an elderly woman that was crying, saying that
he had hit her on her chest.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
This is the photograph taken of the man as he
walked away.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
I am very hopeful that someone idez this victim.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
The jacket he was wearing is very very unique.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
His hairstyle, his glasses.
Speaker 9 (08:30):
She also hopes to encourage women to stand up for themselves.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
To educate women that we don't have to be silent
when we get sexually assaulted, because it happens far more
too common than we think, or even far more than
it gets reported.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Now, Tiffany, has this ever ever happened to you in
a grocery store? Because I go late at night, I'm
a guy, and people stay away from me.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think people fear me.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, you know, I'm fortunate that this hasn't happened, and
I can't say that there's any one reason that I'm
exempt from this having hadn't having happened to me. But
I do notice that there are people who might linger
a little too longer, people who might make you uncomfortable.
But fortunately no one has ever touched me. I've been
I've had things said to me. I've had verbal assault
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by definition I imagine, or at least been made to feel inappropriate,
But fortunately no one has touched me. And the really
tricky thing too about this is the victim here says
that she hopes that this suspect can be id'd by
their jacket.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
The picture that was released of the suspect is.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Just a back or a photo of his back of
this unique jacket.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
There's no frontal image.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
There's no real specific description of this person. And it's like,
of all of the time, when we have so many cameras, Mark,
how can you not get a photo of this guy?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Grocery stores are like with surveillance. I mean, they
can catch you if you put a piece a pack
of gum in your pocket, but they cat catch somebody
who gropes women. I mean, these are things that most
men never have to deal with. However, I've had women
in my life, including my mother, who have had all
sorts of things like this happened to him. I can
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only imagine the horror of being violated like that period,
but in a public space particularly, so I would never
dream of making light of this kind of thing. But
I'll sell you one thing that it makes me think
of is that, good Lord, times have changed. Like when
we were kids watching the Animal House movie and Otters
walking around in the store and he sees the dean's
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hot wife and he holds up a cucumber and waves
it suggestively at her. We don't do those things in
real life, and times better not. Don't wave produce, don't
wave an egg plant at people.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Please do not suggest any sort of produce at any woman,
or any person for that matter.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
But it just seems so extreme to me, to the
point of being mentally ill, that you would even touch
a person you don't know in public. And like I said,
most men have never had to deal with that, or
if they do, it's just you know, guys elbowing each
other and stuff. And so women have to run this
gauntlet of unwanted attention and behavior and violation that we
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just never have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, and this is at USC. I've been to this
Ralph's grocery store. It's on Vermont and Adams. It's a
very densely populated area. Students use this grocery store religiously.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
It is constantly crowded.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And so to know that this sort of act happened
during a very likely populated time, More than these two
people were likely touched or approached. It's just that this
this woman spoke up about it. So this person hasn't
been caught. Where else are they in the city? And
then all, so, why grocery stores? There are so many questions, Yeah,
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there really are.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
The other thing that makes me think of is that
all sorts of behavior that was programmed into us by
movies and TV and other entertainment and real life, you
can go to prison for it. Like the things in
romantic comedies that you would have seen in the eighties.
Most of that's stalking. Yeah, Okay, if John Cusack stands
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outside your front door holding up a boom box, you're
gonna call the cops on him. It's not going to
melt your heart and make you want.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
To get with him?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Is it John Cusack of then or John Cusack now?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is there that significant difference?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
So there's a huge difference I'm in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'm not prepared to make that choice, but I'll defer
to you on this. But all sorts of things that
we would see in these old movies, normal people don't.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You don't go to sleep on someone's front porch because
you're love sick for them. You check yourself into a facility,
and you especially don't touch some without consent, somebody that
you don't know in a grocery store. Now, I've been
in grocery stores where I thought, Okay, I think I'm
kind of getting cruised here by a female or a male.
I have no interest in talking to this person, because
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that's not normal to pick up somebody in the grocery store.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
I'm just you know, you should see how far it goes.
Andrew Caravella. Ladies and gentlemen, it'd be an interesting experiment.
Has this happened to you, Andrew? No, I'm not that lucky.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Hey, God, we've got him here.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
Let me. Most people avoid me in the grocery store
because I'm the one. Like when people take showers and
read the ingredients on the back of the shampoo bottle,
that's me in the grocery store reading it out loud.
And then talking to myself on Aisle five on what
I need. I say what's in my mind out loud,
so people think I have an imaginary friend next to me,
so they just avoid me.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That will act as a current Tiffany. On the rare
occasion that you do get unwanted attention, how.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Do you deal with it?
Speaker 10 (13:58):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
You know, I'm polite. I've always been polite.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I take compliments for what they are, and if something
is beyond the pale or is obviously making me uncomfortable,
then I'll say so. And I do it with again
a directness, but a politeness. It's a teaching moment. I'm
an educator. Everything is a teaching moment. To my chagrin sometimes,
but yeah, I don't let things bother me as much.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
It's just not enough energy for me.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Do you carry mace?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I I'm gonna say publicly on the radio. I carry
a lot of things. So try it if you like,
to try it, if you want.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I feel like more and more in the Year
of our Lord in twenty twenty four, we must be
prepared for violence in public in a way that we
weren't before. And I don't know what the reason for that.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Is, especially at the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I just tear like people's IDs have been unlocked.
And so I go to the grocery store after I
get off here at midnight every night, and it's a
different Ralphs and it is just a Felliniesque cavilcade of characters.
And so I think I mentioned to Moe a few
nights ago. One time there were a couple of hookers
in front of me, and Moe was trying to ask me, well,
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how did you know they were hookers? Well, short of
holding a neon sign that said prostitute flashing, it was
fairly obvious by the way they were addressed and how
they behaved they were hookers. And they tried to shoplift
a bunch of stuff, and so there was a big
thing with them.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
How where do you how do you shoplifts as a prostitute?
You're wearing minimal clothing. I imagine, what are you?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I don't I don't want to know where they put
the stuff. I just wanted to back away from the
situation at that point. But you know, also, you know,
it's right around one o'clock when I'm wrapping up there
and there are people trying to get in and there's
a guard at the door, and it turns into them
taunting each other like they're on either side of a fence.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Nothing good after midnight but the but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I've never been grabbed. Nobody's ever grabbed me in a
grocery store.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
The night's still young.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, one can hope. And I mean, as you get older,
you're wondering why isn't anybody grabbing me? But I said
I wasn't gonna make fun of this. When we come back,
we're gonna get just a hair more serious and heartfelt,
with a nice letter that we got from a listener
after Moe and I had an exchange, and that's coming up.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You're listening too later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Mark Ronner in from MO. I'm usually in the news booth,
but we swapped chairs. Joined by my pal Tiffany Hobbs tonight.
Thanks for being here, Tiffany. How are we doing so far?
Are we doing okay?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So far?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We are doing really well. I was looking under the table.
I don't see any leakage.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Well, thank you. That always a good sign.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So Mo and I often talk of the out of
control homeless problem around LA and it wasn't much different
in Seattle, where I worked before I came here about
six years ago. And like any matter that has some
complications and some nuances, it doesn't so much lend itself
to SoundBite wisdom or easy solutions. We're not going to
solve homelessness in seven minutes here. But where I always
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come down, and I believe MO as well, is that
there's more to the issue than I don't want to
look at them, get them out of here. We keep
reading figures like sixty percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
We know losing a job, or having a medical problem,
or just getting your rent raised can be catastrophic. We
also read constantly about how many Americans don't have enough
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money on hand to deal with something like a four
hundred dollars emergency expenditure. This can really sink a person
in short order. So not only could it be any
of us who just have a run of bad luck.
I've had some scrapes. I mean, I've been a freelance
writer in between full time media jobs, and there are
times when being a freelancer can slow down to the
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point where it looks an awful lot blake being unemployed.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
But also, I'll.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Tell you, as a journalist, I'm also hardwired to side
with the underdog and never ever punch down. Sure, there's
a lot of addicts and people with mental health health
issues who are homeless, but that's not even close to
being the whole problem. So after one of our discussions
one night a couple weeks ago, I got this email
from a KFI listener, and I'm going to read it
to you, not going to read the person's name.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The email says, I'm not sure if this is a
valid email, but here I try. It's been weeks now
and I've wanted to reach out and thank both you
and MO for speaking truth and wisdom on being homeless,
which is something I've been experiencing. And my main contributing
factor is that companies in California do not want to
hire anyone over forty. I'm fifty seven. It's been humiliating
and devastating living in my vehicle after I used up
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all my savings in retirement just to survive, never really
realizing or expecting to be so low in this. It
literally made me cry because hearing you both speaking on
the matter, you get it and it gives me a voice.
All it takes is one bad incident, and without an income,
no one can survive. We are not all mentally ill
or addicts out here. I am a professional that lost
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my gripping when COVID hit. I want nothing more than
to work, yet it does not come. I keep the
faith and trust my heavenly Father that he knows what
he is doing and his timing is perfect. Some days
I stumble and lose it because I'm frustrated. Anyway, Thanks
for reading this, but mostly thank you and Moe for
speaking common sense into this for people to hear and understand.
Came across like I finally have a voice. No one
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else get in the funding to help the homeless as
a clue you and MO do it means more than
you know what a nice letter. And I'm not going
to read the person's name because I want to respect
her privacy unless I get permission to talk more about her.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And we may next week.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The upshot of all this to me, though, Tiffany, is
that when we're talking about homelessness and when we see
stories about homeless camps getting swept, we've seen a lot
of that lately, or r vs banned from streets. I
think we can all afford just show a little kindness
and some decency and humility as well as some intelligence,
and not just get them out of my sight, because
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first and foremost, get him out of my sight isn't
the plan.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right, And we were talking off air about this. One
of the most sobering realizations I believe is that many people,
especially Angelino's and people in southern California all around the country,
really are a couple of paychecks, maybe two, maybe three
away from this sort of abject disaster, from homelessness, from housing, insecurity.
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And when we look at these stories, often there's a disassociation.
We look at it as them versus us problem, when
in fact it is right there at the doorstep of
many of us because of inflation, because of how high
things are, the cost of living. We live in one
of the most expensive places in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it makes me think of that old Sam Kinnison
routine where he first broke on the scene, and it
was hilarious, but it was also I mean, it's not
a thing that a real life adult would ever think.
He's talking about the starving children in Africa and he
starts screaming, send them luggage, Send them luggage, because why
don't you go where the food is right? But that's
kind of gallows humor comedy. In real life, that doesn't work.
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These are people and they have to exist somewhere. Stuff
we don't like or find inconvenient doesn't just disappear the
to the cornfield. In that Twilight Zone episode where the
kid wills people away, I think the episode is called
It's a Good Life.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
With Bill Moomey.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You can't just will people away if they're inconvenient, you
don't like them, you want to you don't want to
look at them. And I keep on coming across signs
of how things have changed financially for people, like how
our parents or grandparents on one income they could buy
a house, they could take the family on a vacation
every year, they could send their kids to college. That
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does not exist anymore. That is a fantasy that none
of us, well most of us don't have access to anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean, do you. I certainly don't.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Oh got no, Oh got no. And I have more
than one income, and that's a necessity.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Radio is great. Radio is a supplement. But I have
to have more than one income to be able to
maintain my livelihood. And I'm lucky that I do have that,
and I'm only supporting myself and it's extremely difficult.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, you're not kidding.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean I've got the lousiest career radar of anybody
on the planet. I started off in newspapers, which are
all well known for being lucrative and stable.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Actually they're going extinct.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So when I first started at newspapers, they have like
their own cafeterias, and you could have assistance to do
things for you.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And is this madmen?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well yeah, yeah, but now they're all pamphlets and working
with skeleton crews. I moved from that into comic books,
and that's so dire that it doesn't even bear discussing.
There's only being a professional and making a living in
comic books as a writer. I think there was one
stretch of a few months where I was writing two
separate titles once and I was doing okay, but still
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it wouldn't have taken much from me to be dumpster diving.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, and again, I think a misnomer, a common misconception,
and you touched on this, is that homelessness is due
to some sort of extreme failure on the person's part.
Of the individual's part, it doesn't take into account things
that are out of their control.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, and so radio. I've done most of my life
off and on, and I started at KFI after I
wrote Law and Order video games for NBC Universal, and
abruptly that department was just disappeared. They decided, well, we're
not going to be in the mobile game business any longer.
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And I did other writing. I wrote more comic books
and did some more freelance stuff. But all those people,
I didn't stay in touch with them. I have no
idea where they all landed. Because it's hard for people
to get a job normal circumstances. But then when you
get to be forty and fifty, god forbid sixty, there
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is a lot of agism going on in employment. They
want people who are young and will go that extra
mile and essentially do work that they're not paid for.
So you see this language in the ads, like we're
looking for a superstar or real go getter, and you
don't need to have the Enigma machine from World War
Two to decode what that means, right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Right, And this directly correlates to the idea of underperformance
being a reason for closures, when in fact it is
in fact that corporate greed. We did have a bit
of a discussion about this, and I know there are
quite a few businesses that have been suffering from closures
because of different reasons. When you really look at the
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origin of it all, it's to pad the top, it's
to pat the top, and the people at the bottom
are getting that short end of the stick, and those
people then could suffer from these sorts of housing insecurities.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
So, like I said, we're not going to solve homelessness
in one segment on the radio, but I really think
we could stand to approach it a little bit more kindness, humility,
you know. There but for the grace of God, I mean,
we're all a couple steps away from it unless you
are fortunate. When I hear people talk about homelessness, one
thing that I almost never hear is the acknowledgment fortune
plays in people's lives. All right, we're going to break
(25:24):
it off there when we come back. We're going to
talk about nudism. So you're not going to want to
go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, nudism has been in the news this week, and
some very serious, fairly serious news to start off with,
and then we're going to move on to the subject
in general, because this is a little bit grim. Seventy
three year old Stephanie and Daniel Menard, aged seventy nine,
were reported missing Sunday by a friend after their unlocked
car was discovered near their home in Redlands. A tip
led investigators to a neighbor of the Minards at a
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nudist resort, and the neighbor was arrested after his home
was torn down in a swat operation. A little grizzly here,
so trigger warning. Authority said human remains were found in
bags in a concrete bunker Friday under the home. This
is awful, and we're not going to linger on this
particular case except to note that it's been in the news. Thoughts,
of course, with the families of these people also in
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the news earlier in the week. Something slightly sillier. I
guess a guy wandering around naked terrorizing people in neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I think it was in Englewood.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I guess I should have looked it up before we
went on the air, but he was reportedly how do
I say this, Well, he was masturbating in people's yards,
and good for him for finding the focus. I don't
think I could be successful doing that. But apart from
that fairly offensive. You know you don't want that in
your yard. So I want to shift from the tragedy
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and I just want to talk about the nudism thing
in general that we're seeing more of lately, because I
don't get it, never gotten it, And I'll go you
one even further. When I hear about like famous people
who we find out are nudists, it completely changes everything
I think about them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Robert A.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Heinlein, the sci fi author, was a famous, infamous nudist.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's right, the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Guy who gave a starship, Troopers and Strangers in a
Strange Land and well time enough for love, I guess
lends itself to that. But a nudist. Can you ever
not think about that? When you hear his name again?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think most newdists would fit that profile. I think
there was such a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I've got very limited experience with nudism because everything about
it terrifies and repels me. One summer when I was
in college, a friend of mine. A friend of mine
drove an ice cream truck and Spokane, Washington, not a
place known for beaches, not a place known for people
who really take great care of themselves. But he would
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come and pick me up this summer when he went
to the one nude beach by some river in Spokane.
And let me tell you, the people who want to
be naked in public are never the people you want
to see naked in public. They I mean, we're all different.
None of us is perfect. We don't all have personal
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trainers and that kind of stuff. But in the name
of God, have some consideration for us. I mean, I've
got hang ups that maybe a lot of people don't have.
But these people who came up to the ice cream
truck to order things, with all their stuff hanging out
in front of God and everyone, I just didn't grasp it.
I didn't understand it. I didn't get the satisfaction that
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they felt from it. So some guy who at the time, well,
I mean, if I was in college, I was want
maybe twenty twenty one years old, and what seemed ancient
to me at the time, the guy must have been fifty.
He looked like a leather handbag. He looked like, first
of all, if you're going to be a nudist and
be outside you sunscreen, is that too much to ask?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I think it's a requirement that you do look like
a leather handbag.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So the guy, and I'm not saying this just to
be crude, the guy comes up and orders a box
of big sticks because he wants to just walk around
and distribute them to people at the nude beach.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Oh there you go, just.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
One of the night.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thank you very much, fush Andrew. You said you had
some experience with nude beaches, and I hesitate to ask
you because I don't know where this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
I was trying to do a tour of one, but
I only got to the front gate. They wouldn't let
me in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What did you make of that? Did you take that
as a personal rejection? Did they scope out the goods
and then say, sorry, you're not cutting it is.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
The time for the news yet?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, but how did this see?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now? Everything I say sounds I feel.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Like looking from the front gate is problematic in itself.
You maybe shouldn't have been doing that. That sounds kind
of like gawking well, let's be clear.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Was this a velvet rope type of situation where they
waved somebody in It's like, no, not.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
Oh, I mean it was before drones, you know when
I did this, So it's not like I could just
you know, peek over the uh get a peep show,
you know, over the fence. So I was trying to
get a tour of the place.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Why were you trying to do this? I was curious.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
I think everyone's curious about things that are considered taboo.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
You were just curious. Well, it's not like there was
a back door. It was the beach careful. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, we were talking about somehow Earlier in the week
we got on the topic of people having sex in public.
And once a number of years ago, I was writing
something science fiction horror story action thing that involved an
alien virus that was transmitted through people having sex and
tRNS them into monsters. Now you know too much, But
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I had this idea that I wanted to go to
the one sex club in Seattle to do research for it.
But there was no way I was a getting naked,
No way I was gonna let anybody touch me, and
I certainly was not going to touch my stuff on
anybody else's stuff and let them touch me. But I've
had friends who have done this, and I just cannot
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fathom doing this. Of course, Eu Tiffany have had tons
of experiences.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Don't gesture at me. I don't want any part of this.
I you know, really quick.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
When I was a kid, family was taking a little vacation.
Stepfather at the times truck drivers. We went to some
different places in the PNW Pacific Northwest and we happened
to pawn when I was about four years old, a
nude beach and people were running foosh, I know, for
a running from each other. I mean they were running,
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by the way they were jogging.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
If you're naked, really exercise caution while running. You don't
want to run.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
They were just frolicking. And I was four and I
saw this.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, there's a short list of activities you don't want
to do naked. In Seattle, there is an annual Solstice Parade,
and part of the Solstice Parade is nude bikers. And
let me tell you something, even the best looking people
on earth don't look great naked.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
When they're hunched over on a bike.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
There's not a great look there's a nude bicycle marathon
in New Orleans. They do that during the summer, and
you just think there are conditions that are probably not
good at all for that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, no, and so, and they wear costumes while they're
doing this, they wear body paint, and it's just it's
not a position that's flattering to the human body in
any case. But when you're naked, it's all right out there.
So all I'm thinking is, well, I think Wonder Woman
could send to do a few crunches, but I don't want.
I'm not here to body shame anybody. I'm here to
(32:38):
body shame everybody because it's disgusting. Now, here's one last question.
We're coming up to the break here. What's the deal
with volleyball and nudice? Why is it required that they
play volleyball?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Look at the time, Wow, look at the time.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Push.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are a nude volleyball player if I've ever seen one.
What's the answer to this?
Speaker 10 (32:57):
You know, I don't think I could answer it better
than and you probably could.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I'd never done it. I'm too inhibited.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Even when I was in the best shape of my life,
there was no way I was going to do anything
like this. But I'll tell you one thing, And I've
never talked about this before. So people who know me
are listening, this is gonna be the first time they're
hearing it too. When I was a teenager, I'm not
sure how old I was, maybe fourteen ish, I went
to a science fiction convention in Moscow, Idaho. Young nerd
(33:26):
Life star trek. You know, take my allowance money and
buy like a book or an enterprise toy or something
like that. Well, I don't know if you know this,
but after hours at these psych fi conventions, it gets
pretty racy. Lot a lot of hookups, a lot of
a lot of backrubs, a lot of a lot of look.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
At the time, Oh no, no, no, I'm not done yet.
That's terrifying town.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So one of these I happened to wander into a
naked jacuzzi party and you got to strip down. But
at fourteen, you don't have control over everything. So let's
just say I found myself having to hop fully into
the water quite a number of times as a teenager.
You know how biology works. I should have just left,
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but by the time I knew I had to leave,
I wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
This is where therapy comes into play.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, thank god you're here tonight. Okay, later on in
the show, coming up an hour two, right after eight o'clock,
we've got a great surprise special guest. After that we'll
have the Runner Report, and in the nine o'clock hour,
we're going to be doing name that cult movie classic,
just like if Moe were here, but with slightly different
movies than Moe might have chosen. You're listening to KFI
(34:37):
AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You've been listening so later with Mo Kelly. You can
always hear us live on KFI AM six forty seven
pm to ten pm every Monday through Friday, and anytime
on demand on the iHeartRadio app
Kf I AM sixty. You're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's Later with Moe Kelly on kf I AM six
forty live everywhere on your iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
in for mo He and Tuala have a couple of
nights off, and I'll be sitting in same show, same vibe,
same crew, same chair all although I hope it's Scotch guarded,
might as well keep it consistent. I'm usually chiming in
from the safety of the news booth, but I could
(00:38):
get used to this. I thought for a second I
was gonna have to run back and forth all night,
but somebody will be filling in for me. We're gonna
have fun tonight. It's Friday night, no need to get
too heavy. We're gonna do name that cult movie classic,
just like normal. We have a special theme tonight. We've
got a special surprise guest at eight pm and a
Runner report after that with a rundown on some stuff
to watch and plenty of juvenile borderline inappropriate back and
(01:03):
forth with the crew with me tonight is my pal
Tiffany Hobbs, who you know from the viral loads, segments
and from some time in the host chair herself. There's
no one I'd be happy to have with me tonight,
especially in case I have a stroke or about of incontinence.
We got this right, We have this. Thank you for
being here with me, Tiffany having me. There is no
(01:24):
one I'd rather be with. I'll tell you this. I'm
you've probably picked up on this because the clues aren't
exactly subtle. I'm a fairly guarded person and you just
charged right through my barriers right when we met. I'm like, no, please,
do not approach, and you just you announced right away
when we met. Sorry, I'm a hugger and that was
kind of it. We can go into detail about my
(01:45):
PTSD another time, but I'll just say I think you
should be a therapist.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I you know, I've heard that before, and if anything,
I would definitely love to practice on you.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe we should
just leave it right there. In the fancy control room,
we have Foosh working the board. Phosh, we got this tonight.
We absolutely do. You got my back in case I
just start crying abruptly decompensating. Absolutely, yeah, okay, and we
got some stuff for you to play, and I'm relying
on your supernatural sense of timing. I need you all
(02:21):
to know that I am not ordering food for everyone tonight.
Does that change anything for anyone to hear? Are you
going to be You're gonna be stingy with the rim
shots now, fosh filling us? Okay, all right, I see
what we're in for. Filling us in the news booth,
Andrew Caravella. I hope you know, Andrew, the news anchor
(02:42):
plays it completely straight and sticks strictly to the news
like a vulcan for the entire three hours.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You can do that, right, You're not mo Okay? All right?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Will you have a trainee in there with you tonight
eventually when their uber arrives.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yes, I see.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was helping trainer and I noticed a pretty quick
learning curve and I told her, you're going to have
my job pretty soon, and I just didn't think it
was going to be this soon. So nice to be
expendable story. I'm going to tell you lots of fun
stuff tonight, including that special guest. But before we get
to that big thanks to Robin our authority figure of course,
Chris Little.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
When Robin called me.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
She asked if I'd be interested in hosting some shows,
and I said, I thought you'd never ask And she said, well,
why didn't you ask me?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And what I should have said.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Was because I was too focused on working hard to
be the best news anchor I could possibly be for
you and Chris Little at KFI. What I actually said
was something like, uh, I don't know, without making things
too cheesy right off the bat, thanks to Mow and
to Walla. Really too great and generous friends. Anybody be
(03:51):
lucky to have, not like your radio Hey, you're great,
buddy type of friends, but the kind who act like
friends when they don't have to.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
No, he's watching or listening.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, they're not hearing this, And I wouldn't say
it to their faces, because that is not our love language.
Busting on each other is our love language, and that
has actually showed up in some promos. Fush can you
play the first one? Whoshi are you alive? Will you
play the first promo? You've always wanted your face on
(04:23):
a Wheati's box, haven't you? Nope, because you've made references
to wanting buildings named after you.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wheedye's boxes even a step down from that, Wheaty's boxes
reserved for athletes.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Moe Kelly name on the building Reserve for Legends Live
seven to ten pm on KFI and on demand anytime
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So, of course I enjoy making fun of Moe's ego.
Anybody who has mentioned, even in passing, wanting a building
named after them, that's fair game. But that's not all
there is. Fush, she got one more in there. Let's
hear that.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
My doctor put them on the scale and I was
at one ninety one and considered obese.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You're looking at me, am I obese?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Not at all, not at all. You look great.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
By the way, I'm one eighty one right now.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Because I always want to have a reference point as
to where I was, But I don't obsess. I usually
weigh myself once a month something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Not getting on the scale, if you have one, takes
a lot of discipline.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Oh it's a lot, because I know it could ruin
my day. Now, I don't feel so bad about getting
on the scale last week. Feel a little better about myself.
I gotta say, I think you're looking a little pear shaped. Oh, boy,
the FCC is saving you right about it. So that's
(05:42):
our love language.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's what we do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's how men express affection for other men, apart from
putting our hands on each other's thighs. Also, Mo and
Tuala a couple of world class fellow nerds, even if
Tuala doesn't like the original Star Trek, and even if
Moe is unable to appreciate the beauty and profundity of
the old David Carrety in Kung Fu series. When you
love people, you accept their flaws and you mock them
(06:06):
relentlessly constantly. I say, we're off and running, Tiffany, how
are you feeling, Mark?
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I love you flaws in Pau.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, don't make me cry. Then my goal is you
get through the whole three hours without crime. It's Friday night.
Let's get this party started. Did I do this right?
Have I?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, we're even getting the timing all correct. Well, now
to the KFI Twitter. No, let's tease the next segment first. Sure,
we're still getting used to this when we come back.
Have you been groped in the produce department? Anyone can
give your melons a non consensual squeeze? Well, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
On to our next story, has this person grabbed your
honey ham while shopping at the South in Los Angeles
location of Ralph's on sell Vermont Avenue. Apparently a woman
was browsing the spice Atisle Sunday morning on August twenty fifth,
when a stranger allegedly grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before
quickly walking away. And I didn't realize that this was
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an issue, but we have some audio from the woman.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Let's play that please.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I felt violated.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
I couldn't believe this was happening to me.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
While shopping at Ralph's at twenty six hundred Seals Vermont
Avenue in Los Angeles, this young woman was rousing the
spice atile on Sunday morning it when a stranger suddenly
grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before quickly walking away.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I was mad. I was very angry. Angry would be
the word to best describe it.
Speaker 9 (07:40):
She let Ralph's employees know she had been touched inappropriately.
Security told her the man was still in the store,
so she waited by the exit to confront him.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
It happened so fast that I just remember just straight
punching him in the eye.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
He never said a word. He never said a word
to me.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
The grouper got into a car with another man and
left before police arrived. Turns out this woman wasn't the
only victim.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
There was an elderly woman that was crying, saying that
he had hit her on her chest.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
This is the photograph taken of the man as he
walked away.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
I am very hopeful that someone idez this victim.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
The jacket he was wearing is very very unique.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
His hairstyle, his glasses.
Speaker 9 (08:30):
She also hopes to encourage women to stand up for themselves.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
To educate women that we don't have to be silent
when we get sexually assaulted, because it happens far more
too common than we think, or even far more than
it gets reported.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Now, Tiffany, has this ever ever happened to you in
a grocery store? Because I go late at night, I'm
a guy, and people stay away from me.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think people fear me.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, you know, I'm fortunate that this hasn't happened, and
I can't say that there's any one reason that I'm
exempt from this having hadn't having happened to me. But
I do notice that there are people who might linger
a little too longer, people who might make you uncomfortable.
But fortunately no one has ever touched me. I've been
I've had things said to me. I've had verbal assault
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by definition I imagine, or at least been made to feel inappropriate,
But fortunately no one has touched me. And the really
tricky thing too about this is the victim here says
that she hopes that this suspect can be id'd by
their jacket.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
The picture that was released of the suspect is.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Just a back or a photo of his back of
this unique jacket.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
There's no frontal image.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
There's no real specific description of this person. And it's like,
of all of the time, when we have so many cameras, Mark,
how can you not get a photo of this guy?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Grocery stores are like with surveillance. I mean, they
can catch you if you put a piece a pack
of gum in your pocket, but they cat catch somebody
who gropes women. I mean, these are things that most
men never have to deal with. However, I've had women
in my life, including my mother, who have had all
sorts of things like this happened to him. I can
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only imagine the horror of being violated like that period,
but in a public space particularly, so I would never
dream of making light of this kind of thing. But
I'll sell you one thing that it makes me think
of is that, good Lord, times have changed. Like when
we were kids watching the Animal House movie and Otters
walking around in the store and he sees the dean's
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hot wife and he holds up a cucumber and waves
it suggestively at her. We don't do those things in
real life, and times better not. Don't wave produce, don't
wave an egg plant at people.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Please do not suggest any sort of produce at any woman,
or any person for that matter.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
But it just seems so extreme to me, to the
point of being mentally ill, that you would even touch
a person you don't know in public. And like I said,
most men have never had to deal with that, or
if they do, it's just you know, guys elbowing each
other and stuff. And so women have to run this
gauntlet of unwanted attention and behavior and violation that we
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just never have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, and this is at USC. I've been to this
Ralph's grocery store. It's on Vermont and Adams. It's a
very densely populated area. Students use this grocery store religiously.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
It is constantly crowded.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And so to know that this sort of act happened
during a very likely populated time, More than these two
people were likely touched or approached. It's just that this
this woman spoke up about it. So this person hasn't
been caught. Where else are they in the city? And
then all, so, why grocery stores? There are so many questions, Yeah,
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there really are.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
The other thing that makes me think of is that
all sorts of behavior that was programmed into us by
movies and TV and other entertainment and real life, you
can go to prison for it. Like the things in
romantic comedies that you would have seen in the eighties.
Most of that's stalking. Yeah, Okay, if John Cusack stands
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outside your front door holding up a boom box, you're
gonna call the cops on him. It's not going to
melt your heart and make you want.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
To get with him?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Is it John Cusack of then or John Cusack now?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is there that significant difference?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
So there's a huge difference I'm in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'm not prepared to make that choice, but I'll defer
to you on this. But all sorts of things that
we would see in these old movies, normal people don't.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You don't go to sleep on someone's front porch because
you're love sick for them. You check yourself into a facility,
and you especially don't touch some without consent, somebody that
you don't know in a grocery store. Now, I've been
in grocery stores where I thought, Okay, I think I'm
kind of getting cruised here by a female or a male.
I have no interest in talking to this person, because
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that's not normal to pick up somebody in the grocery store.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
I'm just you know, you should see how far it goes.
Andrew Caravella. Ladies and gentlemen, it'd be an interesting experiment.
Has this happened to you, Andrew? No, I'm not that lucky.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Hey, God, we've got him here.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
Let me. Most people avoid me in the grocery store
because I'm the one. Like when people take showers and
read the ingredients on the back of the shampoo bottle,
that's me in the grocery store reading it out loud.
And then talking to myself on Aisle five on what
I need. I say what's in my mind out loud,
so people think I have an imaginary friend next to me,
so they just avoid me.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That will act as a current Tiffany. On the rare
occasion that you do get unwanted attention, how.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Do you deal with it?
Speaker 10 (13:58):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
You know, I'm polite. I've always been polite.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I take compliments for what they are, and if something
is beyond the pale or is obviously making me uncomfortable,
then I'll say so. And I do it with again
a directness, but a politeness. It's a teaching moment. I'm
an educator. Everything is a teaching moment. To my chagrin sometimes,
but yeah, I don't let things bother me as much.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
It's just not enough energy for me.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Do you carry mace?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I I'm gonna say publicly on the radio. I carry
a lot of things. So try it if you like,
to try it, if you want.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I feel like more and more in the Year
of our Lord in twenty twenty four, we must be
prepared for violence in public in a way that we
weren't before. And I don't know what the reason for that.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Is, especially at the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I just tear like people's IDs have been unlocked.
And so I go to the grocery store after I
get off here at midnight every night, and it's a
different Ralphs and it is just a Felliniesque cavilcade of characters.
And so I think I mentioned to Moe a few
nights ago. One time there were a couple of hookers
in front of me, and Moe was trying to ask me, well,
(15:08):
how did you know they were hookers? Well, short of
holding a neon sign that said prostitute flashing, it was
fairly obvious by the way they were addressed and how
they behaved they were hookers. And they tried to shoplift
a bunch of stuff, and so there was a big
thing with them.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
How where do you how do you shoplifts as a prostitute?
You're wearing minimal clothing. I imagine, what are you?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I don't I don't want to know where they put
the stuff. I just wanted to back away from the
situation at that point. But you know, also, you know,
it's right around one o'clock when I'm wrapping up there
and there are people trying to get in and there's
a guard at the door, and it turns into them
taunting each other like they're on either side of a fence.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Nothing good after midnight but the but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I've never been grabbed. Nobody's ever grabbed me in a
grocery store.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
The night's still young.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, one can hope. And I mean, as you get older,
you're wondering why isn't anybody grabbing me? But I said
I wasn't gonna make fun of this. When we come back,
we're gonna get just a hair more serious and heartfelt,
with a nice letter that we got from a listener
after Moe and I had an exchange, and that's coming up.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You're listening too later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Mark Ronner in from MO. I'm usually in the news booth,
but we swapped chairs. Joined by my pal Tiffany Hobbs tonight.
Thanks for being here, Tiffany. How are we doing so far?
Are we doing okay?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So far?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We are doing really well. I was looking under the table.
I don't see any leakage.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Well, thank you. That always a good sign.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So Mo and I often talk of the out of
control homeless problem around LA and it wasn't much different
in Seattle, where I worked before I came here about
six years ago. And like any matter that has some
complications and some nuances, it doesn't so much lend itself
to SoundBite wisdom or easy solutions. We're not going to
solve homelessness in seven minutes here. But where I always
(17:02):
come down, and I believe MO as well, is that
there's more to the issue than I don't want to
look at them, get them out of here. We keep
reading figures like sixty percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
We know losing a job, or having a medical problem,
or just getting your rent raised can be catastrophic. We
also read constantly about how many Americans don't have enough
(17:24):
money on hand to deal with something like a four
hundred dollars emergency expenditure. This can really sink a person
in short order. So not only could it be any
of us who just have a run of bad luck.
I've had some scrapes. I mean, I've been a freelance
writer in between full time media jobs, and there are
times when being a freelancer can slow down to the
(17:46):
point where it looks an awful lot blake being unemployed.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
But also, I'll.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Tell you, as a journalist, I'm also hardwired to side
with the underdog and never ever punch down. Sure, there's
a lot of addicts and people with mental health health
issues who are homeless, but that's not even close to
being the whole problem. So after one of our discussions
one night a couple weeks ago, I got this email
from a KFI listener, and I'm going to read it
to you, not going to read the person's name.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The email says, I'm not sure if this is a
valid email, but here I try. It's been weeks now
and I've wanted to reach out and thank both you
and MO for speaking truth and wisdom on being homeless,
which is something I've been experiencing. And my main contributing
factor is that companies in California do not want to
hire anyone over forty. I'm fifty seven. It's been humiliating
and devastating living in my vehicle after I used up
(18:36):
all my savings in retirement just to survive, never really
realizing or expecting to be so low in this. It
literally made me cry because hearing you both speaking on
the matter, you get it and it gives me a voice.
All it takes is one bad incident, and without an income,
no one can survive. We are not all mentally ill
or addicts out here. I am a professional that lost
(18:56):
my gripping when COVID hit. I want nothing more than
to work, yet it does not come. I keep the
faith and trust my heavenly Father that he knows what
he is doing and his timing is perfect. Some days
I stumble and lose it because I'm frustrated. Anyway, Thanks
for reading this, but mostly thank you and Moe for
speaking common sense into this for people to hear and understand.
Came across like I finally have a voice. No one
(19:17):
else get in the funding to help the homeless as
a clue you and MO do it means more than
you know what a nice letter. And I'm not going
to read the person's name because I want to respect
her privacy unless I get permission to talk more about her.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And we may next week.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The upshot of all this to me, though, Tiffany, is
that when we're talking about homelessness and when we see
stories about homeless camps getting swept, we've seen a lot
of that lately, or r vs banned from streets. I
think we can all afford just show a little kindness
and some decency and humility as well as some intelligence,
and not just get them out of my sight, because
(19:53):
first and foremost, get him out of my sight isn't
the plan.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right, And we were talking off air about this. One
of the most sobering realizations I believe is that many people,
especially Angelino's and people in southern California all around the country,
really are a couple of paychecks, maybe two, maybe three
away from this sort of abject disaster, from homelessness, from housing, insecurity.
(20:23):
And when we look at these stories, often there's a disassociation.
We look at it as them versus us problem, when
in fact it is right there at the doorstep of
many of us because of inflation, because of how high
things are, the cost of living. We live in one
of the most expensive places in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it makes me think of that old Sam Kinnison
routine where he first broke on the scene, and it
was hilarious, but it was also I mean, it's not
a thing that a real life adult would ever think.
He's talking about the starving children in Africa and he
starts screaming, send them luggage, Send them luggage, because why
don't you go where the food is right? But that's
kind of gallows humor comedy. In real life, that doesn't work.
(21:10):
These are people and they have to exist somewhere. Stuff
we don't like or find inconvenient doesn't just disappear the
to the cornfield. In that Twilight Zone episode where the
kid wills people away, I think the episode is called
It's a Good Life.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
With Bill Moomey.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You can't just will people away if they're inconvenient, you
don't like them, you want to you don't want to
look at them. And I keep on coming across signs
of how things have changed financially for people, like how
our parents or grandparents on one income they could buy
a house, they could take the family on a vacation
every year, they could send their kids to college. That
(21:50):
does not exist anymore. That is a fantasy that none
of us, well most of us don't have access to anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean, do you. I certainly don't.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Oh got no, Oh got no. And I have more
than one income, and that's a necessity.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Radio is great. Radio is a supplement. But I have
to have more than one income to be able to
maintain my livelihood. And I'm lucky that I do have that,
and I'm only supporting myself and it's extremely difficult.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, you're not kidding.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean I've got the lousiest career radar of anybody
on the planet. I started off in newspapers, which are
all well known for being lucrative and stable.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Actually they're going extinct.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So when I first started at newspapers, they have like
their own cafeterias, and you could have assistance to do
things for you.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And is this madmen?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well yeah, yeah, but now they're all pamphlets and working
with skeleton crews. I moved from that into comic books,
and that's so dire that it doesn't even bear discussing.
There's only being a professional and making a living in
comic books as a writer. I think there was one
stretch of a few months where I was writing two
separate titles once and I was doing okay, but still
(23:02):
it wouldn't have taken much from me to be dumpster diving.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, and again, I think a misnomer, a common misconception,
and you touched on this, is that homelessness is due
to some sort of extreme failure on the person's part.
Of the individual's part, it doesn't take into account things
that are out of their control.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, and so radio. I've done most of my life
off and on, and I started at KFI after I
wrote Law and Order video games for NBC Universal, and
abruptly that department was just disappeared. They decided, well, we're
not going to be in the mobile game business any longer.
(23:45):
And I did other writing. I wrote more comic books
and did some more freelance stuff. But all those people,
I didn't stay in touch with them. I have no
idea where they all landed. Because it's hard for people
to get a job normal circumstances. But then when you
get to be forty and fifty, god forbid sixty, there
(24:06):
is a lot of agism going on in employment. They
want people who are young and will go that extra
mile and essentially do work that they're not paid for.
So you see this language in the ads, like we're
looking for a superstar or real go getter, and you
don't need to have the Enigma machine from World War
Two to decode what that means, right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Right, And this directly correlates to the idea of underperformance
being a reason for closures, when in fact it is
in fact that corporate greed. We did have a bit
of a discussion about this, and I know there are
quite a few businesses that have been suffering from closures
because of different reasons. When you really look at the
(24:49):
origin of it all, it's to pad the top, it's
to pat the top, and the people at the bottom
are getting that short end of the stick, and those
people then could suffer from these sorts of housing insecurities.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
So, like I said, we're not going to solve homelessness
in one segment on the radio, but I really think
we could stand to approach it a little bit more kindness, humility,
you know. There but for the grace of God, I mean,
we're all a couple steps away from it unless you
are fortunate. When I hear people talk about homelessness, one
thing that I almost never hear is the acknowledgment fortune
plays in people's lives. All right, we're going to break
(25:24):
it off there when we come back. We're going to
talk about nudism. So you're not going to want to
go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, nudism has been in the news this week, and
some very serious, fairly serious news to start off with,
and then we're going to move on to the subject
in general, because this is a little bit grim. Seventy
three year old Stephanie and Daniel Menard, aged seventy nine,
were reported missing Sunday by a friend after their unlocked
car was discovered near their home in Redlands. A tip
led investigators to a neighbor of the Minards at a
(25:58):
nudist resort, and the neighbor was arrested after his home
was torn down in a swat operation. A little grizzly here,
so trigger warning. Authority said human remains were found in
bags in a concrete bunker Friday under the home. This
is awful, and we're not going to linger on this
particular case except to note that it's been in the news. Thoughts,
of course, with the families of these people also in
(26:21):
the news earlier in the week. Something slightly sillier. I
guess a guy wandering around naked terrorizing people in neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I think it was in Englewood.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I guess I should have looked it up before we
went on the air, but he was reportedly how do
I say this, Well, he was masturbating in people's yards,
and good for him for finding the focus. I don't
think I could be successful doing that. But apart from
that fairly offensive. You know you don't want that in
your yard. So I want to shift from the tragedy
(26:53):
and I just want to talk about the nudism thing
in general that we're seeing more of lately, because I
don't get it, never gotten it, And I'll go you
one even further. When I hear about like famous people
who we find out are nudists, it completely changes everything
I think about them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Robert A.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Heinlein, the sci fi author, was a famous, infamous nudist.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's right, the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Guy who gave a starship, Troopers and Strangers in a
Strange Land and well time enough for love, I guess
lends itself to that. But a nudist. Can you ever
not think about that? When you hear his name again?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think most newdists would fit that profile. I think
there was such a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I've got very limited experience with nudism because everything about
it terrifies and repels me. One summer when I was
in college, a friend of mine. A friend of mine
drove an ice cream truck and Spokane, Washington, not a
place known for beaches, not a place known for people
who really take great care of themselves. But he would
(27:57):
come and pick me up this summer when he went
to the one nude beach by some river in Spokane.
And let me tell you, the people who want to
be naked in public are never the people you want
to see naked in public. They I mean, we're all different.
None of us is perfect. We don't all have personal
(28:17):
trainers and that kind of stuff. But in the name
of God, have some consideration for us. I mean, I've
got hang ups that maybe a lot of people don't have.
But these people who came up to the ice cream
truck to order things, with all their stuff hanging out
in front of God and everyone, I just didn't grasp it.
I didn't understand it. I didn't get the satisfaction that
(28:39):
they felt from it. So some guy who at the time, well,
I mean, if I was in college, I was want
maybe twenty twenty one years old, and what seemed ancient
to me at the time, the guy must have been fifty.
He looked like a leather handbag. He looked like, first
of all, if you're going to be a nudist and
be outside you sunscreen, is that too much to ask?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I think it's a requirement that you do look like
a leather handbag.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So the guy, and I'm not saying this just to
be crude, the guy comes up and orders a box
of big sticks because he wants to just walk around
and distribute them to people at the nude beach.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Oh there you go, just.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
One of the night.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thank you very much, fush Andrew. You said you had
some experience with nude beaches, and I hesitate to ask
you because I don't know where this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
I was trying to do a tour of one, but
I only got to the front gate. They wouldn't let
me in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What did you make of that? Did you take that
as a personal rejection? Did they scope out the goods
and then say, sorry, you're not cutting it is.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
The time for the news yet?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, but how did this see?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now? Everything I say sounds I feel.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Like looking from the front gate is problematic in itself.
You maybe shouldn't have been doing that. That sounds kind
of like gawking well, let's be clear.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Was this a velvet rope type of situation where they
waved somebody in It's like, no, not.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
Oh, I mean it was before drones, you know when
I did this, So it's not like I could just
you know, peek over the uh get a peep show,
you know, over the fence. So I was trying to
get a tour of the place.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Why were you trying to do this? I was curious.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
I think everyone's curious about things that are considered taboo.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
You were just curious. Well, it's not like there was
a back door. It was the beach careful. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, we were talking about somehow Earlier in the week
we got on the topic of people having sex in public.
And once a number of years ago, I was writing
something science fiction horror story action thing that involved an
alien virus that was transmitted through people having sex and
tRNS them into monsters. Now you know too much, But
(30:49):
I had this idea that I wanted to go to
the one sex club in Seattle to do research for it.
But there was no way I was a getting naked,
No way I was gonna let anybody touch me, and
I certainly was not going to touch my stuff on
anybody else's stuff and let them touch me. But I've
had friends who have done this, and I just cannot
(31:10):
fathom doing this. Of course, Eu Tiffany have had tons
of experiences.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Don't gesture at me. I don't want any part of this.
I you know, really quick.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
When I was a kid, family was taking a little vacation.
Stepfather at the times truck drivers. We went to some
different places in the PNW Pacific Northwest and we happened
to pawn when I was about four years old, a
nude beach and people were running foosh, I know, for
a running from each other. I mean they were running,
(31:41):
by the way they were jogging.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
If you're naked, really exercise caution while running. You don't
want to run.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
They were just frolicking. And I was four and I
saw this.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, there's a short list of activities you don't want
to do naked. In Seattle, there is an annual Solstice Parade,
and part of the Solstice Parade is nude bikers. And
let me tell you something, even the best looking people
on earth don't look great naked.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
When they're hunched over on a bike.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
There's not a great look there's a nude bicycle marathon
in New Orleans. They do that during the summer, and
you just think there are conditions that are probably not
good at all for that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, no, and so, and they wear costumes while they're
doing this, they wear body paint, and it's just it's
not a position that's flattering to the human body in
any case. But when you're naked, it's all right out there.
So all I'm thinking is, well, I think Wonder Woman
could send to do a few crunches, but I don't want.
I'm not here to body shame anybody. I'm here to
(32:38):
body shame everybody because it's disgusting. Now, here's one last question.
We're coming up to the break here. What's the deal
with volleyball and nudice? Why is it required that they
play volleyball?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Look at the time, Wow, look at the time.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Push.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are a nude volleyball player if I've ever seen one.
What's the answer to this?
Speaker 10 (32:57):
You know, I don't think I could answer it better
than and you probably could.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I'd never done it. I'm too inhibited.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Even when I was in the best shape of my life,
there was no way I was going to do anything
like this. But I'll tell you one thing, And I've
never talked about this before. So people who know me
are listening, this is gonna be the first time they're
hearing it too. When I was a teenager, I'm not
sure how old I was, maybe fourteen ish, I went
to a science fiction convention in Moscow, Idaho. Young nerd
(33:26):
Life star trek. You know, take my allowance money and
buy like a book or an enterprise toy or something
like that. Well, I don't know if you know this,
but after hours at these psych fi conventions, it gets
pretty racy. Lot a lot of hookups, a lot of
a lot of backrubs, a lot of a lot of look.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
At the time, Oh no, no, no, I'm not done yet.
That's terrifying town.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So one of these I happened to wander into a
naked jacuzzi party and you got to strip down. But
at fourteen, you don't have control over everything. So let's
just say I found myself having to hop fully into
the water quite a number of times as a teenager.
You know how biology works. I should have just left,
(34:10):
but by the time I knew I had to leave,
I wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
This is where therapy comes into play.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, thank god you're here tonight. Okay, later on in
the show, coming up an hour two, right after eight o'clock,
we've got a great surprise special guest. After that we'll
have the Runner Report, and in the nine o'clock hour,
we're going to be doing name that cult movie classic,
just like if Moe were here, but with slightly different
movies than Moe might have chosen. You're listening to KFI
(34:37):
AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You've been listening so later with Mo Kelly. You can
always hear us live on KFI AM six forty seven
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