Live ABC News Presidential Debate – PART ONE

ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Part One of the ABC News Presidential Debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump debate in Philadelphia - Simulcast on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is an ABC News special, the most consequential moment
of this campaign.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Together, we will charge a new way.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Lord Donald Trump, We will soon be eight great nation again.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Feast to face historic.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
The ABC News Presidential Debate.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Here now David Muir and Lindsay Davis.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good evening.

Speaker 6 (00:34):
I'm David Muor, and thank you for joining us for
tonight's ABC News presidential debate. We want to welcome viewers
watching on ABC and around the world tonight. Vice President
Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away
from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.

Speaker 7 (00:48):
And now I'm Lindsay Davis. Tonight's meeting could be the
most consequential event of their campaigns, with election day now
less than two months away. For Vice President Kamala Harris,
this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from
the race on July twenty first. Of course, that decision
followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June. Since then,
this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic, and.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
That brings us to the rules of tonight's debate, ninety
minutes with two commercial breaks. No topics or questions have
been shared with the campaigns. The candidates will have two
minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's what they'll be seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow ups,
clarifications or responses. Their microphones will only be turned on
when it's their turn to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
No pre written notes allowed.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
There is no audience here tonight, in this hall at
the National Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for
two candidates who have never met.

Speaker 7 (01:37):
President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver
the final closing statement of the evening. Vice President Harris
elected the podium to the right.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:58):
Kamala Harris, you see fun, Thank you, Welcome to you both.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's wonderful to have you. It's an honor to have
you both here.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Tonight, good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited
and thoughtful debate.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So let's get started.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters
repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is
the economy and the cost of living in this country.
Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four
years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight
often asks his supporters, are you better off than you
were four years ago? When it comes to the economy.
Do you believe Americans are better off that they were

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four years ago?

Speaker 8 (02:33):
So I was raised as a middle class kid, and
I am actually the only person on this stage who
has a plan that is about lifting up the middle
class and working people of America.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I believe in the.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
Ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people, and
that is why I imagine and have actually a plan
to build what I call an opportunity economy.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Because here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (02:58):
We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing,
and the cost of housing is too expensive far too
many people. We know that young families need support to
raise their children, and I intend on extending a tax
cut for those families of six thousand dollars, which is
the largest child tax credit that we have given in

(03:18):
a long time, so that those young families can afford
to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes,
for their children.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
My passion. One of them is small businesses.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
I was actually my mother raised my sister and me,
but there was a woman who helped raise us. We
call her our second mother. She was a small business owner.
I love our small businesses. My plan is to give
a fifty thousand dollars tax deduction to start up small businesses,
knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.
My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to

(03:52):
do what he has done before, which is to provide
a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will
result in five trillion dollars to America's deficit. My opponent
has a plan that I called the Trump's sales Tax,
which would be a twenty percent tax on everyday goods
that you rely on to get through the month. Economists

(04:13):
have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result
for middle class families in about four thousand dollars more
a year because of his policies and his ideas about
what should be the backs of middle class people paying
for tax cuts for billionaires.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
President Trump will give you two minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an
incorrect statement. She knows that we're doing tariffs in other countries.
Other countries are going to finally, after seventy five years,
pay us back for all that we've done for the world,
and the tariff will be substantial.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
In some cases.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know,
from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off
because there was so much money.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
They can't.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
It would totally destroy everything that they've that had to do.
They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places.
They've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I
had tariffs, and yet I had no inflation. Look, we've
had a terrible economy because inflation has which is really
known as a country buster.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
It breaks up countries.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before,
probably the worst in our nation's history.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
We were at twenty one.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Percent, but that's being generous because many things are fifty, sixty,
seventy and eighty percent higher than they were just a
few years ago. This has been a disaster for people,
for the middle class, but for every class. On top
of that, we have millions of people pouring into our
country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
And they're coming in and.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
They're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African
Americans and Hispanics, and also unions. Unions are going to
be affected very soon. And you see what's happening. You
see what's happening with towns throughout the United States. You
look at Springfield, you look at Aurora in Colorado. They
are taking over the towns, They're taking over buildings, they're

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going in violently. These are the people that she and
Biden led into our country, and they're destroying our country.
They're dangerous, They're at the highest level of criminality, and
we have to get them out.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
We have to get them out fast.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I created one of the greatest economies in the history
of our country.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
I'll do it again and even better.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
We are going to get to immigration and border security
during this debate. But I would like to let Vice
President Harris respond on the economy here.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
I would love to let's talk about what Donald Trump
left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since
the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public
health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the
worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And

(06:59):
what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess.
What we have done and what I intend to do
is build on what we know are the aspirations and
the hopes.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Of the American people.

Speaker 8 (07:09):
But I'm going to tell you all in this debate tonight,
you're going to hear from the same old.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and
dangerous plan called Project twenty twenty five that the former
president intends on implementing if he were elected to gain
I believe very strongly that the American people want a
president who understands the importance of bringing us together, knowing
we have so much more in common than what separates us.

(07:41):
And I pledge you to be a president for all Americans.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
President Trump will give you a minute. Heure to respond.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know,
and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing
to do with Project twenty twenty five that's out there.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I haven't read it. I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Read it purposely. I'm not going to read it. This
was a group of people that got together. They came
up with some ideas. I guess some good, some bad.
But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do.
Everybody knows I'm an open book. Everybody knows what I'm
going to do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a
great economy like I did before.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
We had the greatest economy.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
We got hit with a pandemic, and the pandemic was
not since nineteen seventeen, where one hundred million people died,
has there been anything like it.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
We handed them over a country where the economy and
where the stock market was higher than it was before
the pandemic came in. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
We made ventilators for the entire world. We got gowns,
we got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible.
And people give me credit for rebuilding the military.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
They give me.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit
for the great job we did with the pandemic. But
the only jobs they got were bounced back jobs. These
were jobs bounced back, and it bounced back and it
went to their benefit. But I was the one that
created them. They know it, and so does everybody else.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Vice President Harris Layers.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
So Donald Trump has no plan for you.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
And when you look at his economic plan, it's all
about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering
what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best
economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed
our relative plans.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
For the future of America.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
What Goldman's Acts has said is that Donald Trump's plan
would make the economy worse.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Mine would strengthen the economy.

Speaker 8 (09:30):
What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan
would actually explode the deficit.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Sixteen Nobel laureates.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
Have described his economic plan as something that would increase
inflation and by the middle of next year, would invite
a recession.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
You just have to look at where we are and where.

Speaker 8 (09:51):
We stand on the issues, and I'd invite you to
know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you,
because he is more interested in defending himself than he
isn't looking out for you.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's that you said.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I went to the Wharton School of Finance, and many
of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is
a brilliant plan.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
It's a great plan.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth,
our value as a country. It's going to make people
want to be able to go and work and create
jobs and create a lot of good, solid money for
our country. Just to finish off. She doesn't have a plan.
She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences like run,

(10:35):
spot run, four sentences that are just oh, we'll try
and lower taxes.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
She doesn't have a plan. Take a look at her plan.
She doesn't have a plan.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Mister President, I do want to drill down on something
you both brought up. The Vice President brought up your tariffs.
You responded, and let's drill down on this because your
plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax.
Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here,
on foreign imports across the board. You recently said that
you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to twenty
percent on goods coming into this country. As you know,

(11:05):
many economists say that we tariffs at that level. Costs
are then passed on to the consumer. Vice President Harris
has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication,
arguing it costs the typical family nearly four thousand dollars
a year. Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices
because of terroiffs.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
They're not going to have higher prices.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
What's going to have and who's going to have higher
prices is China and all of the countries that have
been ripping us off for years. I charge I was
the only president ever China was paying US hundreds of
billions of dollars, and so were other countries.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
And you know, if she doesn't like them.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
They should have gone out and they should have immediately
cut the terriffs. But those tariffs are there three and
a half years now under their administration, we are going
to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.
I had no inflation, virtually no inflation. They had the
highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country. Because
I've never seen a worst period of time. People can't

(12:02):
go out of buy cereal or bacon or eggs or
anything else. The people of our country are absolutely dying
with what they've done. They've destroyed the economy. And all
you have to do is look at a Paul. The
polls say eighty and eighty five and even ninety percent
that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response.
And you heard what the President said there, because the
Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs
in place.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
So how do you respond, Well, let's.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
Be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit,
one of the highest we've ever seen in the history
of America. He invited trade wars. You want to talk
about his deal with China. What he ended up doing
is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American
chips to China to help them.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Improve and modernize their military.

Speaker 8 (12:56):
Basically sold us out when a policy China should be in.
Making sure the United States of America wins the competition
for the twenty first century, which means focusing on the
details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies,
focusing on investing.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
In American based technology so.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
That we win the race on AI, on quantum computing,
Focusing on what we need to do to support America's
workforce so that we don't end up on the short
end of the stick in terms of workers' rights. But
what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this with COVID,
is he actually thanked President She for what he did

(13:38):
during COVID. Look at his tweet, thank you President She
exclamation point when we know that she was responsible for
lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
President Trumble at, you're responsible.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
They bought the chips from Taiwan. We hardly make chips
anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like
they have. I don't say hurt because she has no policy.
Everything that she believed three years ago and four years
ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy now.
In fact, I was going to send her a maga hat.
She's gone to my philosophy. But if she ever got elected,

(14:16):
she changed it, and it will be the end of
our country.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
She's a Marxist. Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught
her well. But when you look at what she's done
to our country, and when you look at these millions
and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly,
where it's I believe twenty one million people, not the
fifteen that people say, And I think it's a lot
higher than the twenty one that's bigger than New York

(14:44):
State pouring in. And just look at what they're doing
to our country. They are criminals. Many of these people
coming in are criminals. And that's bad for our economy too.
You know you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later. Well,
bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to
our economy. They have and she has destroyed our country
with policy that's insane, almost policy that you'd say they

(15:08):
have to hate our country.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
President Trump, Thank you, Lindsey.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
I want to turn to the issue of abortion. President Trump,
you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe V.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Wade.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Last year, you said that you were proud to be
the most pro life president in American history. Then last
month you said that your administration would be great for
women and their reproductive rights in your home state of Florida.
You surprised many with regard to your six week abortion
ban because you initially had said that it was too short,
and you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that
we need more than six weeks. But then the very

(15:40):
next day your reverse course and said you would vote
to support the six week ban. Vice President Harris says
that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion
because you've changed your position so many times. Therefore, why
should they trust So.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
The reason I'm doing that vote is because.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
The plan is, as you know, the vote is, they
have abortion in the ninth month. They even have and
you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the
previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor is
doing an excellent job, but the governor before he said
the baby will be born and we will decide what
to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute

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the baby. And that's why I did that, because that
predominates because they're radical. The Democrats are radical in that.
And her vice presidential pick, which I think is a
horrible pick, by the way, for our country because he
is really out of it. But her vice presidential pick
says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He
also says execution after birth, it's an execution, no longer

(16:41):
abortion because the baby is born, is okay. And that's
not okay with me. Hence the vote. But what I
did is something for fifty two years, they've been trying
to get Roe v.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Wade into the states, and.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme
Court justices, we were able to do that. Now, I
believe in the exceptions for rape incests and life of
the mother. I believe strongly, and that Ronald Reagan did also.
Eighty five percent of Republicans knew exceptions very important.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
But we were able to get it.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
And now states are voting on it, and for the
first time you're going to see, Look, this is an
issue that's torn our country apart for fifty two years.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Every legal scholar, every.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue
to be brought back to the states where the people
could vote.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
And that's what happened. Happened now.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Ohio the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas the vote was
somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought.
But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of
the people now, it's not tied up in the federal government.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
I did a great service in doing it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
It took courage to do it, and the Supreme Court
had great courage in doing it.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
And I give tremen. What is credit to those six justices.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
There is no state in this country where it is
legal to kill a baby after it's born. Man and
Vice president want to get your response to President Trump.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch
of lies. And that's not actually a surprising fact. Let's
understand how we got here. Donald Trump hand selected three
members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention
that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade,
and they did exactly as he intended. And now in

(18:29):
over twenty states there are Trump abortion bands which make
it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide healthcare.
In one state, it provides prison for life. Trump abortion
bands that make no exception even for rape and incest,
which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime

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of violation to their body does not have the right
to make a decision about what happens.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
To their body next. That is immoral.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
One does not have to abandon their faith or deeply
held beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly
should not be telling a woman what to do with
her body. I have talked with women around our country.
You want to talk about. This is what people wanted.
Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term,

(19:22):
suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency
room because the healthcare.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Providers are afraid they might go to jail.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
And she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
She didn't want that, Her husband didn't want that.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
A twelve or thirteen year old survivor of incest being
forced to carry a pregnancy to term.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
They don't want that.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill
to put back in place the protections of Roe V.
Wade as President of the United States, I will proudly
sign it in to law. But understand Donald Trump were
to be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Understanding his Project twenty twenty five.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
There would be a national abortion a monitor that would
be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think the American.

Speaker 8 (20:14):
People believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to
make decisions about one's own body, should not be made
by the government.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Thank you, Vice President Harris Well.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
There she goes again. It's a lie.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to
sign a ban, because we've gotten what everybody wanted, Democrats,
Republicans and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it
to be brought back into the States. And the states
are voting, and it may take a little time, but
for fifty two years, this issue has torn our country apart,

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and they've wanted it back in the States, and I
did something that nobody thought was possible. The states are
now voting. What she says is an absolute lie. And
as far as the abortion band, no, I'm not a
favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this
issue has now been taken over by the states.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Would you veto a national abortion ban if.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
It will, I won't have to because again two things.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Number One, she said she'll go back to Congress.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
She'll never get the vote.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
This is impossible for her to get the vote, especially
now with a fifty to fifty essentially fifty to fifty
in both Senate.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
And the House.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
She's not going to get the vote. She can't get
the vote. She won't even come close to it.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
So it's just talk. You know what.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It reminds me of when they said they're going to
get student loans terminated and it ended up being a
total catastrophe the student loans. And then her I think
probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he
spends all the time on the beach. But look, her
boss went out and said, we'll do it again, We'll
do it a different way. Got rejected again by the

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Supreme Court. So all these students got taunted with this
whole thing, about this whole idea and how unfair that
would have been part of the reason they lost to
the millions and millions of people that had to pay
off their student loans.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
They didn't get it for free.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But they were saying, it's the same way that they
talked about that that they talk about abortion.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
But if I could just get a yes or no,
because you're running Jen Jade Vance has said that you
would veto if it did come to your desk.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Well, I didn't discuss it with JD.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
In all fairness, JD and I don't mind if he
has a certain view, but I think he was speaking
for me, but I really didn't. Look, we don't have
to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it,
just like she couldn't get student loans. They couldn't get
student loans. They didn't even come close to get any
student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of
other people that had loans. They can never get this approved.

(22:40):
So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress.
So wonderful, let's go to Congress do it. But the
fact is that for years they wanted to get it
out of Congress and out of the federal government, and
we did something that everybody said couldn't be done.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Vice President Harris, want to give you your time to respond,
but I do want to ask, would you support any
restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?

Speaker 8 (23:02):
I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Wade.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America is a
woman carrying a pregnancy to term in asking for an abortion.
That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America.
And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bands.
Couples who pray and dream of having a family are

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being denied IVF treatments.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
What is happening in our country?

Speaker 8 (23:37):
Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs,
who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to
travel to another state to get on a plane sitting
next to strangers to go and get the health care
she needs, barely can afford to do it, and what

(23:57):
you are putting her through is unconscionable.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
And the people of America have not.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
The majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to
make decisions about her own body. And that is why
in every state where this issue has been on the ballot,
in red and blue states, both the people of America
have voted for freedom.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Vice President, excuse.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Me, I have to respond another lie. It's another lie.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization,
the IVF.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
I have been a leader.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
In fact, when they got a very negative decision on
IVF from the Alabama courts, I saw the people of
Alabama and the legislature two days later.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Voted it in. I've been a leader on it.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
They know that, and everybody else knows it. I have
been a leader on fertilization IVF and the other thing.
They you should ask, will she allow abortion.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
In the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month? Okay? Would
you do that? Why don't you ask me that question?

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Thanks the question?

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Would you question?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
You could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,
the ninth month, and probably after birth. Just look at
the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said,
we put the baby aside and then we determine what
we want to do with a baby.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
We're going to turn now to immigration and border security.
We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats,
voters across the board in this country. Vice President Harris,
you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the
root causes of migration from Central America. We know that
illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden
administration this past June. President Biden I posed tough new

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asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly.
But my question to you tonight is why did the
administration wait until six months before the election to act
and would you have done anything differently from President Biden
on this So.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted
transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and
human beings and let me say that the United States Congress,
including some of the most conservative members of the United
States Senate, came up with a border security bill.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Which I supported.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
And that bill would have put fifteen hundred more border
agents on the border to help those folks who are
working there right now, over time, trying to do their job.
It would have allowed us to stem the flow of
fentanyl coming into the United States. I know there are
so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected
by the surge of.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Fentanyl in our country.

Speaker 8 (26:36):
That bill would have put more resources to allow us
to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs,
and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill.
Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks
in Congress and said killed the bill. And you know why,
because he'd preferred to run on a problem instead of

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fixing a problem. And understand, this comes at a time
where the people of our country actually need a leader
who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
But what we have in the former.

Speaker 8 (27:13):
President is someone who would prefer to run on a
problem instead of fixing a problem.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
And I'll tell you something.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
He's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even
when it's not the subject that is being raised. And
I'm going to actually do something really unusual, And I'm
going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's
rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. You
will see during the course of his rallies he talks
about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about
windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is

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that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion
and boredom. And I will tell you the one thing
you will not hear him talk about is you. You
will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams,
and your need and your desires. And I'll tell you,
I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
And I pledge to you that I will.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump. On that point.
I want to get your respons well, I.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Would like to respond.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Let me just ask them, why did you try to
kill that bill and successfully so that would have put
thousands of additional agents and officers on the board.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Responders to the rallies, she said, people start leaving. People
don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go.
And the people that do go, she's busting them in
and paying them to be there and then showing them
in a different light, so she can't talk about that.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
People don't leave my rallies.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in
the history of politics. That's because people want to take
their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a
failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago.
And what's going on here. You're gonna end up in
World War three. Just to go into another subject, what
they have done to our country by allowing these millions

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and millions of people to come into our country. And
look at what's happening to the towns all over the
United States, and a lot of towns don't want to talk.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
A lot of towns don't want to talk about it
because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating
the dogs the people that came in. They're eating the cats,
they're eating they're eating the.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Pets of the people that live there.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
And this is what's happening in our country, and it's
a shame as far as rallies are concerned, as far
as the reason they go is they like what I say.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
They want to bring our country back.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
They want to make America great against very simple phrase,
make America great again. She's destroying this country and if
she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success.
Not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I just want to clarify here.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABCDWS did reach out
to the city manager there. He told us there had
been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured,
or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
All I've seeing people on teleivien. Let me just say here,
this is the people on television. My dog was taken
and used for food.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good
thing to say for a city manager.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I'm not taking this from television or.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Television was eaten by the people that went there.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
Again, the Springfield city manager says, there's no evidence of
that vicesident. So I'll let you respond to the rest.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Of what you've heard talk about extreme.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Uh, you know I this is I think one of
the reasons why in this election, I actually have the
endorsement of two hundred Republicans who have formerly worked with
President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain, including the endorsement
of former Vice President Dick Cheney and congress Member Liz Cheney.

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And if you want to really know the inside track
on who the former president is, if he didn't make
it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him.
His former chief of staff of four star general has
said he has contempt for the constitution of the United States.
His former national security advisor has said he is dangerous
and unfit. His former Secretary of Defense has said the

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nation the Republic would never survive another Trump term. And
when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the
issues that affect the American people are not being addressed,
I think the choice is clear in this election.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
President Trump will give you a quick minute to respond,
thank you, because when I hear that, see, I'm a
different kind of a person. I fired most of those people,
not so graciously. They did bad things or bad job,
I fired him. They never fired one person, They didn't
fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban
and the thirteen people who who's were just killed viciously

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and violently killed, and I get to know the parents.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
And the family. They didn't fire.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
They should have fired all those generals, all those top people,
because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations
anybody has ever seen. So when somebody does a bad job,
I fire him. And you take a guy like Esper,
he was no good.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
I fired him. So he writes a book.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Another one writes a book because with me they can
write books. With nobody else can they. But they have
done such a poor job and they never fire anybody.
Look at the economy, look at the inflation. They didn't
fire any of their economists. They have the same people.
That's a good way not to have books written about you.
But just to finish, I got more votes than any

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Republican in history, by far. In fact, I got more
votes than any president sitting president in history, by far.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted
to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your
deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well.
President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation
in the history of our country.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
You say you would use the national Guard.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
You say things get out of control, You have no
problem using the US military.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
You've also said you would use local police.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
How would you deport eleven million undocumented immigrants? I know
you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this.
What does this look like? Will authorities be going door
to door in this country?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, it is much higher because of them.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists,
they allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in,
drug dealers to come into our country, and then now
in the United States and told by their countries like Venezuela,
don't ever come back or we're going to kill you.
Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in

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countries all over the world is way down.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
You know why?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've
given them to her to put into our country. And
this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history
for them to allow. And I think they probably did
it because they think they're going to get votes. But
it's not worth it because they're destroying the fabric of
our country by what they've done. There's never been anything

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done like this at all. They've destroyed the fabric of
our country. Millions of people let in and all over
the world, crime is down all over the world except here.
Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their
fraudulent statements that they made. Crime in this country is
through the roof. And we have a new form of crime.
It's called migrant crime, and it's happening at levels that

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nobody thought possible.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent
crime is actually coming down in this country.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But excuse me, the FBI defraud. They were defrauding statements.
They didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the
cities with the worst crime. It was a fraud, just
like their number of eight hundred and eighteen thousand jobs
that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
President Trump, thank you. I'll let you respond by his
President hay Well.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
I think this is so rich coming from someone who
has been prosecuted for national security crimes, economic crimes, election interference,
has been found libel for sexual assault, and his next
big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.

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And let's be clear where each person stands on the
issue of what is important about respect for the rule
of law and respect for law enforcement. The former Vice
president called for defunding federal law enforcement forty five thousand agents.
Get this on the day after he was arranged on
thirty four felony counts. So let's talk about what is

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important in this race. It is important that we move forward,
that we turn the page on this same old, tired
rhetoric and address the needs of.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
The American people.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
Address what we need to do about the housing shortage,
which I have a plan for, Address what we must
do to support our small businesses, Address bringing down the.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Price of groceries.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
But frankly, the American people are exhausted with the same
all time playbook.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Vice President Harris, thank.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
You, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Every one of those cases was started by them against
their political opponent, and I'm winning most of them, and
I will win the rest of an appeal.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
And you saw that with.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
A decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.
I'm winning most of them. But those are cases. It's
called weaponization. Never happened in this country. They weaponized the
justice Department. Every one of those cases was involved with
the DOJ from Atlanta and Fawnie Willis to the Attorney
General of New York and the DA in New York,

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every one of those cases. And then they say, oh,
he's a criminal.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
They're the ones that made them go after me.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on
the document's case, and what happened in my document's case,
they said, oh, that's the toughest of them all. A
complete and total victory. Two months ago it was thrown out.
Its weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened
in this country. They used it to try and win
an election, present in fake cases.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
President Trump, thank you a really quick response to your
Vice President Harris on this notion of weaponization of the
Justice Department.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in
which this election in twenty twenty four is taking place.
The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former
president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he
were to enter the White House. Again, understand, this is
someone who has openly said he would terminate I'm quoting

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terminate the constitution of the United states that he would
weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies. Someone
who has openly expressed disdain.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
For members of our military.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
Understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back
in the White House with no guardrails. Because certainly we
know now the court won't stop him.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
We know JD.

Speaker 8 (38:03):
Vance is not going to stop him. It's up to
the American people.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Vice President to stop him.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
Thank you, lindsay, Vice President Harris, in your last run
for president, this.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Is the one that weaponized, not me. She weaponized.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I probably took a bullet to the head because of
the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy.
I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy,
whether it fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that it went nowhere.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
We have a lot to get to, lindsay.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Vice President Harris. In your last run for president, you
said you wanted to ban fracking. Now you don't. You
wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your
campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings. Now
you're taking a harder line. I know you say that
your values have not changed, So then why have so
many of your policy positions changed, so.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
My values have not changed, and I'm going to discuss
every one of the.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
At least every point that you've made.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
But in particular, let's talk about fracking, because we're here
in Pennsylvania. I made that very clear in twenty twenty.
I will not band fracking. I have not banned fracking
as Vice President the United States, and in fact, I
was the tie breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act
which opened new leases for fracking. My position is that
we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy

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so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. We have
had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history
because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over
rely on foreign oil. As it relates to my values,
let me tell you I grew up a middle class kid,
raised by a hardworking mother who worked and saved and

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was able to buy our first home when I was
a teenager. The values I bring to the importance of
home ownership, knowing not everybody got handed four hundred million
dollars on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six
times is a value that I bring to my work
to say we are going to work with the private
sector and homebuilders to increase three million homes. Increase by

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three million homes by the end of my first term.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
My work that is.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
Related to having a friend when I was in high
school who is sexually assaulted by her stepfather, and my
focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime
is based on a value that is deeply grounded in
the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable.
My work that is about protecting social Security and Medicare

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is based on long standing work that I have done
protecting seniors from scams. My values have not changed, and
what is important is that there is a president who
actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting
people up and not beating people down and name calling.

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The true measure of the leader is the leader who
actually understands the strength is not in beating people down,
it's in lifting people up.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
I intend to be that president.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
President Trump.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
You well, first of all, I wasn't given four hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
I wish I was.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
My father was a Brooklyn build of Brooklyn queens and
a great father, and I learned a lot from him.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
But I was given a fraction of that a tiny
fraction and have.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Built it into many, many billions of dollars, many many billions,
and when people see it, they are even surprised. So
we don't have to talk about that fracking. She's been
against it for twelve years. Defund the police, she's been
against that forever. She gave all that stuff up very wrongly,
very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Okay, they're all laughing at it.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
She gave up at least twelve and probably fourteen or
fifteen different policies like she was big on defund the
police in Minnesota. She went out, I'm talking.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Now, you know mine? Please? Does that sound familiar? She
went out.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals
that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis, she went out
and raised money to get them out of jail. She
did things that nobody would ever think of. Now she
wants to do transgender operations or illegal aliens that are
in prison. This is a radical left liberal that would

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do this. She wants to confiscate your guns, and she
will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania. If she won the election,
Fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one just to
finish one thing so important in my opinion. So I
got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
They took When they took over, they.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and
the prices were going up the roof. They immediately let
these guys go to where they were.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
I would have been.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Five times, four times, five times higher, because you're talking
about three and a half years ago. They got it
up to where I was because they had no choice
because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling. You
saw what happened to gasoline. So they said, let's go
back to Trump. But if she won the election. The
day after that election, they'll go back to destroying our

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country and oil will be dead, fossil fuel will be dead.
We'll go back to windmills, and we'll go back to solar,
where they need a whole desert to get some energy
to come out of You ever see a solar plant,
by the way, I'm a big fan of solar, but.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
They take.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Four hundred five hundred acres of desert. So these are
not good things in the.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Environment that she understands.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Thank you, Lindy, thank you. We have an election in
just fifty six days. I want to talk about the
peaceful transfer of power, which of course we all know
is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of
a president in a moment of crisis. Mister President, on
January sixth, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
You said you would be right there with them.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
The country in the world saw what played out of
the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack. Aids
in the West Wings say you want to unfold on
television off the Oval office. You did send out tweets,
but it was more than two hours before you send
out that video message telling your supporters to go home.
Is there anything you regret about what you did on
that day?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically,
I said during my speech, not later on peacefully and patriotically.
And nobody on the other side was killed. Ashley Babbitt
was shot by an out of control police officer that
should have never ever shot her. It's a disgrace, but

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we didn't do this group of people that have been
treated so badly. I asked, what about all the people
that are pouring into our country and killing people that
she allowed to pourt in. She was the boats are.
Remember that she was the borders are. She doesn't want
to be called the bordersar because she's embarrassed by the
butter efact. She said at the beginning, Oh, I'm surprised
you're not talking about the board yet. That's because she

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knows what a bad job they've done. What about those people?
What are they going to be prosecuted? One of these
people from countries all over the world, not just South America.
They're coming in from all over the world, David, all
over the world, and crime rates are down all over the.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
World because of it.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But one of those, David, one of those people going
to be prosecuted, One of the people that burned down
Minneapolis going to be prosecuted. Or in Seattle they wanted
to see Seattle. They took over a big percentage of
the city of Seattle. One of those people going to
be prosecuted. But let me just ask You might ask
her that question if.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
You were the president you were watching an unfold on television.
It's a very simple question. As we move forward toward
another election, is there anything you regret about what you
did on that day?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I had nothing to do with that other than they
asked me to make a speech. I showed up for
a speech. I said, I think it's going to be big.
I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington,
d C.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
And the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I said, you know, this is going to be a
very big rally or whatever you want to call it.
And again, it wasn't done by me, it was done
by others. I said, I'd like to give you ten
thousand National Guard or soldiers. They rejected me. Nancy Pelosi
rejected me. It was just two weeks ago. Her daughter
has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible

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for what happened. If they want to get rid of
that tape, it would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi
and the mayor of Washington.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Did the jobs.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I wasn't responsible for security. Nancy Pelosi was responsible.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
She didn't do her job.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
The question was about you as president, not about former
Speaker Pelosi. But I do want Vice President Harris to
respond here.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
I was at the Capitol on January sixth. I was
the vice president elect. I was also an acting senator.
I was there and on that day, the president of
the United States incited a violent mob to attack our
nation's capital, to desecrate our nation's capital. On that day,

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one hundred and forty law enforcement officers were injured and
some died. And understand the former president has been indicted
and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not
an isolated situation. Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a

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mob of people carrying tiki torches spewing anti Semitic hate.
And what did the president then at the time say,
There were fine people on each side.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Let's remember that.

Speaker 8 (47:32):
When it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the
president said, the former president said stand back and stand by.
So for everyone watching who remembers what January sixth was,
I say, we don't have to go back.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Let's not go back. We're not going back. It's time
to turn the page.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
And if that was a bridge too far for you,
well there is a place in our campaign for you
to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to
stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos
and to end the approach that is about attacking the

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foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome
and be clear on that point. Donald Trump, the candidate,
has said in this election, there will be a bloodbath
if this and the outcome of this election is not
to his liking.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Let's turn the page on this. Let's not go back.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
Let's chart a course for the future and not go
backwards to the past.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Let me just follow up here.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
It was a different term, and it was a term
that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business.
That was where bloodbath was. Also on Charlottesville. That story
has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Esse,
all of these people, they covered it. If they go
an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect. It

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was debunked in almost every newspaper. But they still bring
it up, just like they bring twenty twenty five up.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
They bring all of this stuff up. I ask you this,
you talk about the capitol.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Why are we allowing these millions of people to come
through on the southern border.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
How comes she's not doing anything? And I'll tell you
what I.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Would do, and I would be very proud to do it.
I would say we would both leave this debate right now.
I'd like to see her go down to Washington, DC
during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Go down to.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous. Go down
to Washington, d C. And let her sign a bill
to close up the border because they have the right
to do it. They don't need bills. They have the
right to do it. The president of the United States,
You'll get them out of bed. You'll wake them up
at four o'clock in the afternoon. You'll say, come on,
come on down to the office. Let's sign a bill.
If he signs a bill that the border is closed,

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only has to do is say it to the border patrol,
who so phenomenal. If they do that, the border is closed.
Mister post people are killing many people.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
One like J six, we talked to immigration here tonight.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
I do want to focus on this next issue of
both of you, because it really brings us this into
focused truth in these times that we're living in. Mister President,
for three and a half years after you lost the
twenty twenty election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won,
many times saying you won in a landslide. In the
past couple of weeks leading up to this debate. You
have said, quote you lost by a whisker. That you

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quote didn't quite make it, that you came up a
little bit short.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I say that, are you now acknowledging that you lost in.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Twenty twenty I acknowledge or all?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I said that sarcastically, you know that, and we said, oh,
we lost by a whisker. That was said sarcastically. Look,
there's so much proof. All you have to do is
look at it. And they should have sent it back
to the legislatures for approval. I got almost seventy five
million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten.
I was told I I got sixty three, which was
what I got in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
You can't be beaten the election.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
People should never be thinking about an election as fraudulent.
We need two things. We need walls we need and
we have to have it. We have to have borders,
and we have to have good elections. Our elections are bad.
And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're
trying to get them to vote. They can't even speak English,
they don't even know what country they're in practically, and
these people are trying to get them to vote and

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that's why they're allowing them to come into our country.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
I did watch all of these pieces of video. I
didn't detect the sarcasm lost by Whisker. We didn't quite
make it. And we should just point out here as clarification.
And you know this, you and your allies sixty cases
in front of many judges.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Many of them judge looked at it, and so.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
They said we didn't have standing. That's the other thing they.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Said, we didn't have standing a technicality. Can you imagine
a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing?
The president of the United States doesn't have standing.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
That's how we lost.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
If you look at the facts, and I'd love to
have you, you'll do a special on it. I'll show you, George, Yeah,
and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania,
and I'll show you. We have so many factions and statistics.
But you know what, that doesn't matter, because we have
to solve the problem that we have right now.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
That's old news.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
And the problem that we have right now is we
have a nation in decline, and they have put it
into decline.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
We have a nation that is dying.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
David, mister President, thank you, Vice President Harris, you heard
the president there tonight. He said he didn't say that
he lost by whiskers, So he still believes he did
not lose the election that was won by President Biden
and yourself. But I do want to ask you about
something that's come up in the last couple of days.
This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming
election just weeks away. He said, when I win, those

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people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials.
He says, we'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of
the law, which will include long term prison sentences. One
of your campaign's top lawyers responded, saying, we won't let
Donald Trump intimidate us. We won't let him suppress the vote.
Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?

Speaker 8 (53:03):
Donald Trump was fired by eighty one million people, so
let's be clear about that. And clearly he is having
a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford
to have a president of the United States who attempts,
as he did in the past, to upend the will
of the voters in a free and fair election. And

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I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the
world as Vice president of the United States, and world
leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with
military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they
say you're a disgrace. And when you then talk in
this way in a presidential debate and deny what over

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and over again are court cases you have lost because
you did, in fact lose that election, it leads one
to believe that perhaps we do not have in a
candidate to my right, the temperament or the ability to
not be confused about fact. That's deeply troubling, and the

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American people deserve better.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I'll give you one minute response to let me just
say about world leaders.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Viktor Orban one of the most respected men.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
They call him a strong man.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
He's a tough person, smart, Prime Minister of Hungary. They said,
why is the whole world blowing up? Three years ago
it wasn't. Why is it blowing up?

Speaker 5 (54:30):
He said, because you need Trump back as president.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
They were afraid of him. China was afraid and I
don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just
quoting him. China was afraid of him. North Korea was
afraid of him. Look at what's going on with North Korea.
By the way, he said, Russia was afraid of him.
I ended the North Stream two pipeline and Biden put
it back on day one. But he ended the Excel pipeline,

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the Xcel pipeline in our country. He ended that, but
he let the Russians build up pipeline going all over
Europe and heading into Germany, the biggest pipeline in the world. Look,
Victor Orban said it. He said, the most respected, most
feared person is Donald Trump. We had no problems when
Trump was president. But when this weak, pathetic man that

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you saw at a debate just a few months ago
that if you weren't in that debate, he'd be running
instead of her. She got no votes. He got fourteen
million votes. What you did you talk about a threat
to democracy? He got fourteen million votes, and they threw
him out of office.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
And you know what, I'll give you a little secret.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
He hates her, he can't stand her, but he got
fourteen million votes.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
They threw him out.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
She got zero votes, and when she ran, she was
the first one to leave because she failed. And now
she's running. I don't understand her, but I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Because your time.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
I think we're going to do very well.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
You've got a lot more to get.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
Turning now to the Israel Hamas war, and the hostages
were still being held, Americans among them Vice President Harrison.
In December, you said, quote Israel has a right to
defend itself, but you added quote it matters how saying
international humanitarian law must be respected. Israel must do more
to protect innocent civilians. You said that nine months ago. Now,

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an estimated forty thousand Palestinians are dead, nearly one hundred
hostages remain. Just last week Prime Minister Benjamin ett Yah
who said there's not a deal in the making. President
Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate.
How would you do it?

Speaker 8 (56:29):
Well, let's understand how we got here. On October seven, Hamas,
a terrorist organization, slaughtered twelve hundred Israelis, many of them
young people who are simply attending a concert. Women were
horribly raped, and so absolutely I said then I say,

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now Israel has a right to defend itself. We would,
and how it does so matters because it is also true,
far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed, children, mothers.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
What we know is that this war must end.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
It must when end immediately, and the way it will
end is we need a cease fire deal and we
need the hostages out, and so we will continue to
work around the clock on that work around the clock,
also understanding that we must chart a course for a
two state solution, and in that solution there must be

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security for the Israeli people and Israel and an equal
measure for the Palestinians. But the one thing I will
assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability
to defend itself, in particular as it rates as it
relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its
proxies posed to Israel. But we must have a two

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state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians
have security, self determination and the dignity they saw write deserve.

Speaker 7 (58:01):
President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyah who and
also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and
prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
If I were president, it would have never started. If
I were president, Russia would have never ever, I know
putin very well, he would have never and there was
no threat of it either, by the way, for four years,
have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when
you added up far worse than people understand what's going
on over there. But when she mentions about Israel, all

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of a sudden, she hates Israel. She wouldn't even meet
with net Yahoo when he went to Congress to make
a very important speech. She refused to be there because
she was at a sorority party of hers.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
She wanted to go to the sorority party. She hates Israel.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist
within two years from now, and I've been pretty good
at predictions that I hope I'm wrong about that one.
She hates Israel at the same time in a row way,
she hates the Arab population because the whole place is
going to get blown up. Arabs, Jewish people, Israel. Israel

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will be gone. It would have never happened. Iran was
broke under Donald Trump. Now Iran has three hundred billion
dollars because they took off all the sanctions that I had.
Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbola or any
of the twenty eight different spheres of Terra, and they
are spheres of Terra.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
Horrible Terra. They had no money. It was a big story,
and you know it.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
You covered it very well. Actually they had no money
for Terra. They were broke. Now they're a rich nation,
and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.
Look at what's happening with the UTIs and Yemen, look
at what's going on in the Middle East.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
This would have never happened.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get
the war with Ukraine and Russia ended. If I'm president elect,
I'll get it done before even becoming president.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
Vice President Harris, he says, you hate Israel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Oh, that's absolutely not true. I have my entire career
and life supported Israel and the Israeli people.

Speaker 8 (01:00:15):
He knows that he's trying to again divide and distract
from the reality, which is it is very well known
that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security
and foreign policy. It is well known that he admires dictators,
wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself.

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It is well known that he said of Putin that
he can do whatever the hell he wants and go
into Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
It is well known.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
That he said, when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant.
It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim
Jong un, and it is absolutely well known that these
dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president
again because they're so clear they can manipulate you with

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flattery and favors.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
And that is why so many.

Speaker 8 (01:01:14):
Military leaders who you have worked with have told me
you are a disgrace. That is why we understand that
we have to have a president who is not consistently
weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of
upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Vice President Harris, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
And she's the one that caused it, that's weak or
national security by allowing every nation last month for the year,
one hundred and sixty eight different countries sending people into
our country, their crime weights.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Are way down. Putin endorsed her last week, said I
hope she wins.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And I think he meant it because what he's gotten
away with is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
It wouldn't have happened with me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent,
and they are.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
They're grossly incompetent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
And I just asked one question, why does Biden go
in and kill the Keystone pipeline and approve the single
biggest deal that Rush has ever made, Northstream two, the
biggest pipeline anywhere in.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
The world, going to Germany and all over Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Because they're weak and they're ineffective, and Biden, by the way,
it gets paid a lot of money.

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
Thank you. We have a lot of issues to get to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
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