September 11, 2024 • 45 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Part Two of the ABC News Presidential Debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump debate in Philadelphia - Simulcast on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening too later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're listening to the ABC News presidential debate simulcast here
on KFI.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And just a moment, we'll be.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Returning to the presidential debate between former President Trump and
Vice President Kamala Harris, and we will continue until its end,
which should be about seven forty or so.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Now, let's return to the debate.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Mister President.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
It has been the position of the Biden administration that
we must defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin, to
defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's an America's best
interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he
may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.
You have said you would solve this war in twenty
four hours, you said so just before the break tonight.
How exactly would you do that? And I want to
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ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want
Ukraine to win this war?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I want the war to stop. I want to save
lives that are being used lessly, people being killed by
the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than
the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look,
we're in for two hundred and fifty billion or more.
Because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger
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beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're
in for one hundred and fifty billion dollars less because
Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe
like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions,
hundreds of billions of dollars when I said, either you
pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.
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So that's maybe one of the reasons that don't like
me as much as they like weak people. But you
take a look at what's happening. We're in for two
hundred and fifty to two hundred and seventy five billion,
they're into one hundred to one hundred and fifty. They
should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I
want to get the war settled. I know Zelenski very well,
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and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship.
And they respect your president. Okay, they respect me. They
don't respect Biden. How would you respect him? Why? For
what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call in
two years to Putin hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't
even try and get it. That is a war that's
dying to be settled. I will get it settled before
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I even become president if I win, when I'm president elect,
and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll
speak to the other. I'll get him together. That war
would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw
Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has
gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw
him building up soldiers, he did it. After I left,
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I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be
a good strong point of negotiation. Well it wasn't because
Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He
had no idea how to stop it. And now you
have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse,
and it could lead to World War three. Don't kid yourself, David.
We're playing with World War three and we have a
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president that we don't even know if he's where is
our president? We don't even know if he's a president.
And just a clarify, he threw him out of a
campaign like a dog. We don't even know is he
our president? But we have a president. Mister President doesn't
know he's alive.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Your time is up.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Just to clarifying the question, do you believe it's in
the US best interests for Ukraine to win this war yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's the US best interest to get this
war finished and just get it done, negotiated deal, because
we have to stop all of these human lives from
being destroyed.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I want to take this device, President Harris.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine
in this moment, but also as commander in chief if elected,
how would you deal with Vladimir Putin and would it
be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former
president you're not running against Joe Biden, You're running against me.
I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this
war would be over within twenty four hours is because
he would just give it up. And that's not who
we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here. I
actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded,
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tried through force to change territorial boundaries to defy one
of the most important international rules and norms, which is
the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I met
with President Zelensky, I shared with him American intelligence about
how he could defend himself. Days later, I went to
NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania, and through the
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work that I and others did, we brought fifty countries
together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because
of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition,
the artillery, the javelins, the abrams tanks that we have provided,
Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
If Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.
And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is
not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and
our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no
longer president, and that we understand the importance of the
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greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO,
and what we have done to preserve the ability of
Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise,
Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on
the rest of Europe, starting with Poland, And why don't
you tell the eight hundred thousand Polish Americans right here
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in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the
sake of favor and what you think is a friendship
with what is known to be a dictator who would
eat you for lunch.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Vice President Harris, thank you. We've heard from both of
you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour.
I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier,
and now, please, I'll give you a minute here.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Putin would be sitting in Moscow, and he wouldn't have
lost three hundred thousand men in women, but he would
have been sitting in Moscow quiet place. He would have
been sitting in Moscow much happier than his right now.
But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other
people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever
talk about that. He got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks
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about that. And eventually maybe he'll use him and maybe
he hasn't been that threatening, but he does have that
something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes
to talk about it. But just so you understand, they
sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three
days later he went in and he started the war
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because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said
the wrong things. That war should have never started. She
was the emissary. They sent her in to negotiate with
Zelenski and Putin, and she did and the war started
three days later. And that's what kind of talent we
have with her. She's worse than Biden in my opinion.
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I think he's the worst president in the history of
our country. She goes down as the worst vice president
in the history of our country. But let me tell
you something. She is a horrible negotiator. They sent her
in to negotiate. As soon as they left Putin did
the invasion.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
President Trump, thank you did bring up something you said
she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris,
have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Can you clarify tonight
yet again?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I said it at the beginning of the debate. You're
gonna hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.
And that is another one. When I went to meet
with President's a lanscap Now I met with him over
five times. The reality is it has been about standing
as America always should as a leader, upholding international rules
and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that
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the alliances we have around the world are dependent on
our ability to look out for our friends and not
favor our enemies because you adore strong men instead of
caring about democracy. And that is very much what is
at stake here. The President of the United States is
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commander in chief, and the American people have a right
to rely on a president who understands the significance of
America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there
is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles
and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do want
to talk about Afghanistan. It came up in the first
hour of this debate. I wanted to move on to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Work said. Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
He got these countries, the twenty eight countries at the time,
to pay up. He said, I've never seen. He's the
head of NATO, he said, I've never seen. For years,
we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being
ripped off by your European nations, both on trade and
or NATO. I got them to pay up by saying,
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one of the samans you made before. If you don't pay,
we're not going to protect you. Otherwise we would have
never gotten it. He said, it was one of the
most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Thank you. I want to turn to Afghanistan. It came
up in the first hour of the debate, and we
witnessed an appoignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the
soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. I
do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe
you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Well, I will tell you I agreed with President Biden's
decision to pull out of Afghanistan, for presidents said they would,
and Joe Biden did. And as a result, America's taxpayers
are not paying the three hundred million dollars a day
we were paying for that endless war.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
And as of today, there is not one.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Member of the United States military who is in active
duty in a combat zone in any war zone around
the world the first time century. But let's understand how
we got to where we are. Donald Trump, when he
was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
He calls himself a deal maker.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Even his national security advisor said it was a weak,
terrible deal. And here's how it went down. He bypassed
the Afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization
called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting five
thousand terrorists Taliban terrorists released and.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Get this, no, get this.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
And the president at the time invited the Taliban to
Cap David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans,
a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy,
where we invite and receive respected world leaders.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And this.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Former president as president in invited them to Camp David
because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility
of the President of the United States to be commander in.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Chief with a level of respect.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
And this gets back to the point of how he
has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers,
and the work that we must do to uphold the
strength and the respect of the United States of America
around the world.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump your response to
her saying that you began the negotia.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, thank you. So if you take a look at
that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers,
a lot of them with snipers. And I got involved
with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.
That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing
that because you know, they deal with the wrong people
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all the time. But I got involved. And Abdullah is
the head of the Taliban. He is still the head
of the Taliban. And I told that Duel, don't do
it anymore. You do it anymore, you're gonna have problems.
And he said, why do you send me a picture
of my house? I said, you're going to have to
figure that out at Duel. And for eighteen months we
had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by
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Mike Pompeio. It was a very good agreement. The reason
it was good it was we were getting out. We
would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't
have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans behind,
and we wouldn't have left. We wouldn't have left eighty
five billion dollars worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind.
And just to finish, they blew it. The agreement said
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you have to do this, and they didn't do it.
They didn't do it. The agreement was terminated by us
because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
And these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion,
the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
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And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because
they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
President Trump, thank you. I want to move on now
to race and politics in this country, mister President. You
recently said a Vice President Harris quote, I didn't know
she was black until a number of years ago when
she happened to turn black, and now she wants to
be known as black.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on
the racial identity of your opponent.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't and I don't care. I don't care what
she is. I don't care you make a big deal
out of something I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants
to be is okay with me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But those were your words, so I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't know. I mean, all I can say is
I read where she was not black that she put
out and I'll say that. And then I read that
she was black, and that's okay. Either one who was
okay with me, that's up to her. That's up to her.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this, I.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Think it's I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy
that we have someone who wants to be president who
has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to
use race to divide the American people. You know, I
do believe that the vast majority of us know that
we have so much more in common than what separates us,
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and we don't want this kind of approach that is
just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And let's remember how Donald Trump started.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
He was a.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Land he'd owned land, he owned buildings, and he was
investigated because he refused to rent property to black families.
Let's remember this is the same individual who took out
a full page ad in the New York Times calling
for the execution of five young black and Latino boys
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who were innocent.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
The central part five.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Took out a full page ad calling for their execution.
This is the same individual who spread birth or lives
about the first black president of the United States. And
I think the American people want better than that, want
better than this, want someone who understands as I do.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I travel our country.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
We see in each other a friend, We see in
each other a neighbor. We don't want a leader who
is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at
each other.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
I meet with people.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
All the time who tell me, can we please just
have discourse about how we're going to invest in the
aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people, knowing.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That regardless of people's color or.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
The language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same
dreams and aspirations and want a president who invest in those,
not in hate and division.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Vice President Harris, thank you, Lindsey.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
President Trump, this is now your third time.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
This is the most divisive presidency in the history of
our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying
our country and they come up with things like what
she just said. Going back many, many years, when a
lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on
the Central Park five, they admitted, they said they pled guilty,
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and I said, well, if they pled guilty, they badly
hurt a person, killed a person ultimately, and if they
pled guilty, then they pled. We're not guilty. But this
is a person that has to stretch back years, forty
fifty years ago because there's nothing now. I built one
of the greatest economies in the history of the world,
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and I'm going to build it again. It's going to
be bigger, better and stronger. But they're destroying our economy.
They have no idea what a good economy is. Their
oil policies, every single policy. And remember this, she is Biden.
You know she's trying to get away from Biden. I
don't know the gentleman she says. She is Biden. The
worst inflation We've ever had, a horrible economy because inflation
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has made it so bad, and you can't get away
with that.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
You so much. I want to respond to that, though,
I want to just respond briefly clearly, I am not
Joe Biden, and I am certainly not Donald Trump, and
what I do offer is a new generation of leadership
for our country, one who believes in what is possible,
one who brings a sense of optimism about what we
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can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I
believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses,
which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about
our plans, and let's compare the plans. I have a
plan to give startup businesses fifty thousand dollars tax deduction
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to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.
I have a plan six thousand dollars for young families
for the first year of your child's life, to help
you in that most critical stage of your child's development.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I have a plan that is about allowing.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
People to be able to pursue what has been fleeting
in terms of the American dream by offering a help
with down payment of twenty five thousand dollars down payment
assistance for.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
First time home buyers.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
That's the kind of conversation I believe, David, that people
really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is
constantly about belittling and name calling.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Let's turn the page.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Vice President Marrison, thank you. Let's move on. President, Let's
turn the policy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Please to defund the police. She has a plan to
confiscate everybody's gun. President plan to allow fracking in Pennsylvania
or anywhere else. Okay, that's what her plan is until
just recently, I just want to go.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Something sorry that I need to respect.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
I'm sorry, We're going to We're going to move on.
By President Trump, this is now your third time running
for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace
the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have
failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to
keep Obamacare quote, unless we can do something much better.
Last month you said, quote we're working on it. So tonight,
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nine years after you first started running, do you have
a plan and can you tell us what it is?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Obamacare was lousy, healthcare always was. It's not very good today.
And what I said that if we come up with something,
and we are working on things, we're going to do it,
and we're going to replace it. But remember this, I
inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it, they wouldn't vote
for it. They were unanimous they would vote to change it.
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If they would have done that, we would have had
a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came
up they wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice
to make when I was president. Do I save it
and make it as good as it can be, never
going to be great, or do I let it rot?
And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically
it would have been good to just let it rot
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and let it go away. I decided, and I told
my people, the top people, and they're very good people.
I have a lot of good people in this administration.
We read about the bad ones. We had some real
bad ones too, and so do they They have really
bad ones. The differences, they don't get rid of it.
But let me just explain. I had a choice to make.
Do I save it and make it as good as
it can be, or do I let it rot? And
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I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's
still never going to be great, and it's too expensive
for people. And what we will do is we're looking
at different plans. If we can come up with a
plan that's going to cost our people, our population less
my and be better healthcare than Obamacare, then I would
absolutely do it, But until then I'd run it as
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good as it can be run.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
So just yes or no. You still do not have
a plan.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now,
but if we come up with something, I would only
change it. If we come up with something that's better
and less expensive, and there are concepts and options. We
have to do that, and you'll be hearing about it
in the not too distant future.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Vice President Harrison, twenty seventeen, you supported Bernie Sanders proposal
to do away with private insurance and create a government
run healthcare system. Two years later, you proposed a plan
that included a private insurance option. What is your plan.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Today, Well, first of all, I absolutely support in over
the last four years as Vice president, private healthcare options.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
But what we need to do is maintain and grow
the affordable care. But I'll get to that, Lindsay.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I just need to respond to a previous point that
the former president has made. I've made very clear my
position on fracking this business about taking everyone's guns away.
Tim Walls and I are both gun owners. We're not
taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying
about this stuff as it relates to the Affordable Care Act. Understand,
let's just look at the history to know where people stand.
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When Donald Trump was president sixty times, he tried to
get rid of the Affordable Care Act sixty times. I
was a senator at the time when I will never
forget the early morning hours when it was up for
a vote in the United States Senate, and the late
great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being you
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don't like him, you said at the time because he
got caught. He was an American hero, the late great
John McCain, I will never forget that night walked onto
the Senate floor.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
And said, no, you don't, no, you don't, no, you
don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have
no plan.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate
the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre
existing conditions.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
I don't have to tell the people washing tonight. You
remember what that was like.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child
had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor if
a grandparent had diabetes. And thankfully, as I've been Vice
president and We over the last four years, have strengthened
the Affordable Care Act. We have allowed, for the first time,
Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the
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American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
He never did.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We did.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
And now we have capped the cost of insulin at thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Five dollars a month.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Since I've been Vice president, we have capped the cost
of prescription medication for seniors at two thousand dollars a year.
And when I am president, we will do that for
all people. Understanding that the value I bring to this
is that access to healthcare should be a right and
not just a privilege of those who can afford it.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Has to be to strengthen the Affordable.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Care Act, not get rid of it fast as it
roll us in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I want to move to an issue that's important for
a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I had a mistake at number one. John McCain fought
Obamacare for ten years, but it wasn't only him. It
were all of the Democrats that kept it going. And
you know what, we can do much better than Obamacare,
much less money, but she won't improve private insurance for people,
private medical insurance. That's another thing she doesn't want to get.
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Exemple are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard
and made money, and they want to have private She
wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait
six months for an operation that you need to meeting.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
President Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd
like to get to that's important for a number of Americans,
in particular younger voters, and that's climate change. President Trump,
with regard to the environment, you say that we have
to have clean air and clean water. Vice President Harris,
you call climate change an existential threat. The question to
you both tonight is what would you do to fight
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climate change? And Vice President Harris will start with you
one minute for you each.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Well, the former president had said the climate change as
a hoax, and what we know is that it is
very real.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
You ask anyone who lives.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
In a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences,
who now is either being denied home insurance or its
being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been the
victim of what that means in terms of losing their home,
having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually
deal with this issue. The young people of America care
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deeply about this issue, and I am proud that as
Vice president, over the last four years, we have invested
a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy, while we
have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We
have created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs while
I have been Vice president. We have in clean energy
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to the point that we are opening up factories around
the world.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Donald Trump said he was.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Going to create manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
He lost manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the
United Autoworkers and Sean Fain, who also know that part
of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American
made products, American automobiles. It includes growing what we can
do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not
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closing them like happened under Donald Trump's President Harris, thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell
you they lost ten thousand manufacturing jobs this last month.
It's going they're all leaving. They're building big auto plants
in Mexico, in many cases owned by China. They're building
these massive plants, and they think they're going to sell
their cars into the United States because of these people.
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What they have given to China is unbelievable. But we're
not going to let that. We'll put tariffs on those
cars so they can't come into our country because they
will kill the United auto workers and any auto worker,
whether it's in Troit or South Carolina or any other place.
What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country
is horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know,
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Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid them
millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it. Between him
and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine,
they get all this money from all of these different countries.
And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to
this one, that one Ukraine, China? Why is he Why
did he get three and a half million dollars from
the mayor of Moscow's wife. Why did he get why
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did she pay him three and a half million dollars.
This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country
down the tubes.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
President Trump, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
We'll be right back with closing statements from both of
our candidates. An historic night this Abcit's presidential debate from.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You've been listening to the ABC News Presidential Debate simulcast
here on KFI. We're waiting for the candidates to return.
They'll probably give their closing statements at this point. Because
of a coin flip, former President Trump will resume, a
student will go last.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions
for our country. One that is focused on the future
and the other that is focused on the past and
an attempt to take us backward.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
But we're not going back.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And I do believe that the American people know we
all have so much more in common than what separates us,
and we can chart a new way forward. And a
vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations,
the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people,
which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy,
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investing in small businesses, in new family in what we
can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that
is about giving hard working folks a break and bringing
down the cost of living. I believe in what we
can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in
the world and ensuring that we have the respect that
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we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring
we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental
rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to
make decisions about her own body and not have her
government tell her what to do. I'll tell you, I
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started my career as a prosecutor. I was a da
I was an attorney general, a United States Senator, and
now Vice President.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I've only have one client, the people.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked
a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or
a Democrat?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
And that's the kind of president we need right now,
someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.
I intend to be a president for all Americans and
focus on what we can do over the next ten
and twenty years to build back up our country by
investing right now in you, the American people.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So she just started by saying she's going to do this.
She's going to do that, She's going to do all
these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
there for three and a half years. They've had three
and a half years to fix the border, they've had
three and a half years to create jobs and all
the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it?
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She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together, and
do the things you want to do. But you haven't
done it, and you won't do it because you believe
in things that the American people don't believe in. You
believe in things like we're not going to frack, we're
not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to
do things that are going to make this country strong,
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whether you like it or not. Germany tried that and
within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.
We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country
for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask
one simple question, why didn't she do it? We're a
failing nation, We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're
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being laughed at all over the world. All over the world.
They laugh. I know the leaders very well. They're coming
to see me, they call me. We're laughed at all
over the world. They don't understand what happened to us
as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't have
any idea what's going on. We have wars going on
in the Middle East, we have wars going on with
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Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end up in a
third World War, and it'll be a war like no
other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I
rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it
away to the Taliban, she gave it to Afghanistan. What
these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest
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of all is allowing millions of people to come into
our country. Many of them are criminals, and they're destroying
our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in
the history of our country.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
President Trump, Thank you, and that is our ABC News
presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I'm Lindsay Davis and I'm David Buwer. Thank you for
watching here in the US and all over the world.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
KF I am six forty. We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app, I'm o Kelly. As we resume our at
least post debate coverage. If you've been listening or if
you were watching, well there you have it. I got
to say it was more substantive than I thought it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Was going to be going in.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And let's talk about this being a simulcast. If you
only listened to the debate, you probably had a very
different experience from if you saw the debate. And what
I mean by that is you didn't get to see
the facial If you were just listening, you didn't get
to see the facial expressions. You didn't get to see
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the posture, you didn't get to see the looks that
were thrown each way. You didn't see how even though
you couldn't hear someone interrupt, if you're watching TV, they
could visually interrupt through their facial expressions. You could see
when they disagreed or when they shook their head and
got a better sense of what the next response was
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going to be. So, if you only listened to the
debate on KFI, there's nothing wrong with that. I just
know that your experience for the debate would be very
different from if you had seen it, and earlier this
evening when I was sitting in with Tim Conway Junior
for the run up, I made a similar comment how
this tracks with history, whether it were the first televised
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pressent sidential debate between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy
where people were watching it for the very first time
on TV, most people heard it on radio, and the
people who heard it on radio fought that Richard Nixon
had won, and those who saw it on TV because
Richard Nixon did not do well or look well under
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the lights. He was sweating profusely, and you can go
back and watch the debate to see exactly what I mean,
felt that he did not win. So the perception of
this debate probably will vary widely just given how you
may have experienced it and consumed the information. That said,
for the first seventeen minutes in I would say the
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debate was pretty straightforward, standard questions, standard answers. You could
tell they were pretty much on script. They were not
allowed any written notes, but you could tell that their
answers were pretty much scripted because there's certain questions you
could pretty much predict we're going to be asked. But
after that seventeen minute mark, and I made a little
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mark at that time because I wanted to put a
pin in. It's like, okay, this is where things were
going to change. It's seventeen minutes in. I could feel
if you were listening it. Listening to it, you might
have felt it, but if you're watching it, you definitely
saw it.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It took an emotional turn.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
It was at that point that former President Trump increased
his pointed attacks. You noticed some on site fact checking
of former President Trump regarding abortion. This was not done
in previous debate that it wasn't done in the debate
with Joe Biden, and we didn't see it in other
interviews in town halls. So this was something which was new,
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but you could tell that it was ramping up in
an emotional sense. There were some moments where the former
president Trump made an attack about Kamala Harris being a Marxist.
Harris did not take that bait, she did not respond
to it. And this is the sum of the strategy
which is used going in where you try to make
a personal remark and force your competition or I should
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say encourage her in competition to respond and get off message,
get off the actual policy that you're trying to talk about.
Get off your vision for the future, and you talk
about a personal remark and you talk about the past. Now,
I will say that Vice President Harris was able to
do that to a certain degree when she started talking
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about former President Trump's rallies and then Trump went into
a long diatribe about his rallies and talking about himself
instead of talking to the American people and his vision forward.
Now here's the question I always get after every single debate,
and I usually give the same answer, if only because
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it is still applicable. It's not a cop out, and
it's never wrong. It's real simple. Who wanted a debate
is yet to be decided said. Who won the debate
is the person who's in a better position tomorrow because
they have the spin room going on right now, and
people will try to cast this debate as Trump one,
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Harris one. Trump did this, Harris failed to do that.
Harris was better at this, Trump was poor at that.
That's what the spin room does, trying to shape people's perceptions.
But all that aside, the actual winner of the debate
will have an increased position tomorrow. They'll have better polling,
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they'll have better donations. They will be in a better
position tomorrow than they were today, and largely that's predicated
on how people feel about the debate. They had different
goals going in. Trump I believe, was trying to get
Harris off her mark, as they say, trying to disrupt her,
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trying to confuse her, trying to insult her in a
certain way where where she might have not been able
to stay on message. That was the goal coming in
why because if you can get Harris off her mark
in her message, then she would seem less presidential, seem
less ready for the position, less suitable for the office. Harris, conversely,
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was trying to make sure that she was speaking to
the moderates, the independence, those people who might have been
disaffected Republicans who possibly were never Trumpers, but you wanted
to make sure, if you're a Hair supporter, that you
just didn't stay home, or that you just didn't leave
that portion of the ballot unselected, but you made the
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affirmative choice to vote for Kamala Harris. Her job was
to get the people who might have been persuadable, the
people who did not know her, the people who might
have been open to a different choice that was her job,
and to do that, you could see. The strategy was clear.
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Was you could see that she was looking into the
camera talking directly to the American people, trying to say, hey,
I am here for you, not for me personally. And
I'm just basically paraphrasing her message because it was repeated
most of the night, how she was talking about her
vision for the American people. Now, what she did do,
what I thought was effective. I don't know if it
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means that she would have won the night, but I
do think it was effective. She was able to get
Donald Trump to spend most of his time talking about
the past, talking about what he did when he was
in office, relitigating more than four years ago, and historically
that doesn't help when you're trying to look forward. But again,
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it doesn't matter what I think. It matters how voters
will respond to this performance. And let's be clear, all
this was performative. This is not about who has the
best plan, because, honestly, let's be honest, Donald Trump did
not say much in the way of specifics for his plan,
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and let's be honest, people are not voting because of
someone's plan. This tonight was performance art because that's where
we are as a nation. We aren't assessing these candidates
relative to who has the better health care plan. And
if you wanted to see who had the better health
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care plan, we all have Google, we all know how
to get to their websites. We didn't necessarily need them
to break down point by point what their plan would be,
and we could go into a long civics discussion about, Yeah,
just because you have a plan doesn't mean that you'll
be able to get it through Congress and then get
it to your desk as president and be able to
sign off on it. So or at least for me personally,
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I don't get too hung up in plans because we
all know that it doesn't mean much until you know
exactly the makeup of what would be the eventual Congress.
Because as it stands going into this November general election,
it looks like, at least from the math and you
look at the seats which are available on the Senate side,
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the Democrats are having to defend more seats then they
will have the opportunity to win away from the Republicans.
Put another way, there's not a good map for them
to retain control of the Senate. It's more likely than
not that the Democrats would lose the Senate, and it's
not a guarantee that the Democrats would take control of
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the House. So that means, regardless of any plan that
either candidate has, we're looking more likely than not than
divided government, where you may have the president will represent
one party, one of the chambers of Congress will represent
his or her party, and then the other chamber will
represent the opposition party, which means more gridlock. It means
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less likely that anything actually gets passed, which which means
it doesn't really matter how good of a plan we
might have heard tonight or didn't here tonight.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
As part of this debate.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So that's why we shouldn't get too bogged down in
the minutia and not lose sight of where we are
in America in twenty twenty four. We are highly partisan,
we are highly cynical, and we're also highly unlikely to
come together on one accord for any reason whatsoever, or
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any piece of legislation. But again, come tomorrow, it won't
matter what I say, it won't matter what your favorite
commentator will say, because everyone's spinning right now in the studio.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I see Senator Marco Rubio on NBC.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
News, and I see on Fox News they're replaying portions
of the debate. I see on Fox excuse me, Fox eleven.
I see Alex Michaelson with our own John Cobelt from
KFI right now debating Lisa Bloom and everyone is spinning.
But nothing that anyone has to say is going to
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have as much impact as when the numbers come in tomorrow,
the types of donations which will probably come in tonight
and will be reported in the coming days. The change
if at all, in polling. And here's the connection and
relationship between polling and donations. Increase in polling will lead
to it increase in donations. Why Because an increase in
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polling will tell big fundraisers and also small donation funders
that there is increased excitement and there's an increased belief
and viability in a campaign.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And when the big donors see it increase in.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Polling, they are more inclined to further support a campaign.
If you go back to Joe Biden after that last debate,
to put all this together, Joe Biden going into that
debate with Donald Trump had already had had a great
fundraising quarter. He had outraised fundraised Donald Trump by almost
one hundred million dollars if I'm not mistaken. But because
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of the poor debate performance, his big funders.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Refuse to continue funding his campaign.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And part of his dropping out had to do with
his lack of support going forward, and you need to
have that money through the rest of the campaign. And
there was a loss of confidence in his campaign even
though he had a sizable war chest. Because of the
dropping polling right after that last presidential debate, he also
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lost his top funders. And that's how we ended up
with Kamala Harris. So the polling is inextricably linked to
the fundraising. And if you see tomorrow the next day,
a wide change in the polls where either Kamala Harris
goes up or down or Donald Trump goes up and
down or down, you will probably see a correlation to
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the fundraising. And that will tell you definitively and conclusively
who won the debate. Not me, not you, not anyone
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're listening to the ABC News presidential debate simulcast here
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
And just a moment, we'll be.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Returning to the presidential debate between former President Trump and
Vice President Kamala Harris, and we will continue until its end,
which should be about seven forty or so.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Now, let's return to the debate.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Mister President.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
It has been the position of the Biden administration that
we must defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin, to
defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's an America's best
interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he
may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.
You have said you would solve this war in twenty
four hours, you said so just before the break tonight.
How exactly would you do that? And I want to
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ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want
Ukraine to win this war?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I want the war to stop. I want to save
lives that are being used lessly, people being killed by
the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than
the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look,
we're in for two hundred and fifty billion or more.
Because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger
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beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're
in for one hundred and fifty billion dollars less because
Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe
like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions,
hundreds of billions of dollars when I said, either you
pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.
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So that's maybe one of the reasons that don't like
me as much as they like weak people. But you
take a look at what's happening. We're in for two
hundred and fifty to two hundred and seventy five billion,
they're into one hundred to one hundred and fifty. They
should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I
want to get the war settled. I know Zelenski very well,
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and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship.
And they respect your president. Okay, they respect me. They
don't respect Biden. How would you respect him? Why? For
what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call in
two years to Putin hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't
even try and get it. That is a war that's
dying to be settled. I will get it settled before
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I even become president if I win, when I'm president elect,
and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll
speak to the other. I'll get him together. That war
would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw
Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has
gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw
him building up soldiers, he did it. After I left,
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I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be
a good strong point of negotiation. Well it wasn't because
Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He
had no idea how to stop it. And now you
have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse,
and it could lead to World War three. Don't kid yourself, David.
We're playing with World War three and we have a
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president that we don't even know if he's where is
our president? We don't even know if he's a president.
And just a clarify, he threw him out of a
campaign like a dog. We don't even know is he
our president? But we have a president. Mister President doesn't
know he's alive.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Your time is up.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Just to clarifying the question, do you believe it's in
the US best interests for Ukraine to win this war yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's the US best interest to get this
war finished and just get it done, negotiated deal, because
we have to stop all of these human lives from
being destroyed.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I want to take this device, President Harris.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine
in this moment, but also as commander in chief if elected,
how would you deal with Vladimir Putin and would it
be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former
president you're not running against Joe Biden, You're running against me.
I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this
war would be over within twenty four hours is because
he would just give it up. And that's not who
we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here. I
actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded,
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tried through force to change territorial boundaries to defy one
of the most important international rules and norms, which is
the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I met
with President Zelensky, I shared with him American intelligence about
how he could defend himself. Days later, I went to
NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania, and through the
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work that I and others did, we brought fifty countries
together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because
of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition,
the artillery, the javelins, the abrams tanks that we have provided,
Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
If Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.
And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is
not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and
our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no
longer president, and that we understand the importance of the
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greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO,
and what we have done to preserve the ability of
Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise,
Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on
the rest of Europe, starting with Poland, And why don't
you tell the eight hundred thousand Polish Americans right here
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in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the
sake of favor and what you think is a friendship
with what is known to be a dictator who would
eat you for lunch.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Vice President Harris, thank you. We've heard from both of
you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour.
I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier,
and now, please, I'll give you a minute here.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Putin would be sitting in Moscow, and he wouldn't have
lost three hundred thousand men in women, but he would
have been sitting in Moscow quiet place. He would have
been sitting in Moscow much happier than his right now.
But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other
people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever
talk about that. He got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks
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about that. And eventually maybe he'll use him and maybe
he hasn't been that threatening, but he does have that
something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes
to talk about it. But just so you understand, they
sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three
days later he went in and he started the war
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because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said
the wrong things. That war should have never started. She
was the emissary. They sent her in to negotiate with
Zelenski and Putin, and she did and the war started
three days later. And that's what kind of talent we
have with her. She's worse than Biden in my opinion.
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I think he's the worst president in the history of
our country. She goes down as the worst vice president
in the history of our country. But let me tell
you something. She is a horrible negotiator. They sent her
in to negotiate. As soon as they left Putin did
the invasion.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
President Trump, thank you did bring up something you said
she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris,
have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Can you clarify tonight
yet again?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I said it at the beginning of the debate. You're
gonna hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.
And that is another one. When I went to meet
with President's a lanscap Now I met with him over
five times. The reality is it has been about standing
as America always should as a leader, upholding international rules
and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that
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the alliances we have around the world are dependent on
our ability to look out for our friends and not
favor our enemies because you adore strong men instead of
caring about democracy. And that is very much what is
at stake here. The President of the United States is
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commander in chief, and the American people have a right
to rely on a president who understands the significance of
America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there
is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles
and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do want
to talk about Afghanistan. It came up in the first
hour of this debate. I wanted to move on to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Work said. Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
He got these countries, the twenty eight countries at the time,
to pay up. He said, I've never seen. He's the
head of NATO, he said, I've never seen. For years,
we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being
ripped off by your European nations, both on trade and
or NATO. I got them to pay up by saying,
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one of the samans you made before. If you don't pay,
we're not going to protect you. Otherwise we would have
never gotten it. He said, it was one of the
most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Thank you. I want to turn to Afghanistan. It came
up in the first hour of the debate, and we
witnessed an appoignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the
soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. I
do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe
you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Well, I will tell you I agreed with President Biden's
decision to pull out of Afghanistan, for presidents said they would,
and Joe Biden did. And as a result, America's taxpayers
are not paying the three hundred million dollars a day
we were paying for that endless war.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
And as of today, there is not one.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Member of the United States military who is in active
duty in a combat zone in any war zone around
the world the first time century. But let's understand how
we got to where we are. Donald Trump, when he
was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
He calls himself a deal maker.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Even his national security advisor said it was a weak,
terrible deal. And here's how it went down. He bypassed
the Afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization
called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting five
thousand terrorists Taliban terrorists released and.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Get this, no, get this.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
And the president at the time invited the Taliban to
Cap David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans,
a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy,
where we invite and receive respected world leaders.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And this.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Former president as president in invited them to Camp David
because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility
of the President of the United States to be commander in.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Chief with a level of respect.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
And this gets back to the point of how he
has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers,
and the work that we must do to uphold the
strength and the respect of the United States of America
around the world.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump your response to
her saying that you began the negotia.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, thank you. So if you take a look at
that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers,
a lot of them with snipers. And I got involved
with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.
That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing
that because you know, they deal with the wrong people
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all the time. But I got involved. And Abdullah is
the head of the Taliban. He is still the head
of the Taliban. And I told that Duel, don't do
it anymore. You do it anymore, you're gonna have problems.
And he said, why do you send me a picture
of my house? I said, you're going to have to
figure that out at Duel. And for eighteen months we
had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by
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Mike Pompeio. It was a very good agreement. The reason
it was good it was we were getting out. We
would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't
have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans behind,
and we wouldn't have left. We wouldn't have left eighty
five billion dollars worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind.
And just to finish, they blew it. The agreement said
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you have to do this, and they didn't do it.
They didn't do it. The agreement was terminated by us
because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
And these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion,
the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
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And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because
they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
President Trump, thank you. I want to move on now
to race and politics in this country, mister President. You
recently said a Vice President Harris quote, I didn't know
she was black until a number of years ago when
she happened to turn black, and now she wants to
be known as black.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on
the racial identity of your opponent.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't and I don't care. I don't care what
she is. I don't care you make a big deal
out of something I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants
to be is okay with me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But those were your words, so I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't know. I mean, all I can say is
I read where she was not black that she put
out and I'll say that. And then I read that
she was black, and that's okay. Either one who was
okay with me, that's up to her. That's up to her.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this, I.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Think it's I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy
that we have someone who wants to be president who
has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to
use race to divide the American people. You know, I
do believe that the vast majority of us know that
we have so much more in common than what separates us,
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and we don't want this kind of approach that is
just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And let's remember how Donald Trump started.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
He was a.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Land he'd owned land, he owned buildings, and he was
investigated because he refused to rent property to black families.
Let's remember this is the same individual who took out
a full page ad in the New York Times calling
for the execution of five young black and Latino boys
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who were innocent.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
The central part five.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Took out a full page ad calling for their execution.
This is the same individual who spread birth or lives
about the first black president of the United States. And
I think the American people want better than that, want
better than this, want someone who understands as I do.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I travel our country.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
We see in each other a friend, We see in
each other a neighbor. We don't want a leader who
is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at
each other.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
I meet with people.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
All the time who tell me, can we please just
have discourse about how we're going to invest in the
aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people, knowing.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That regardless of people's color or.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
The language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same
dreams and aspirations and want a president who invest in those,
not in hate and division.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Vice President Harris, thank you, Lindsey.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
President Trump, this is now your third time.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
This is the most divisive presidency in the history of
our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying
our country and they come up with things like what
she just said. Going back many, many years, when a
lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on
the Central Park five, they admitted, they said they pled guilty,
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and I said, well, if they pled guilty, they badly
hurt a person, killed a person ultimately, and if they
pled guilty, then they pled. We're not guilty. But this
is a person that has to stretch back years, forty
fifty years ago because there's nothing now. I built one
of the greatest economies in the history of the world,
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and I'm going to build it again. It's going to
be bigger, better and stronger. But they're destroying our economy.
They have no idea what a good economy is. Their
oil policies, every single policy. And remember this, she is Biden.
You know she's trying to get away from Biden. I
don't know the gentleman she says. She is Biden. The
worst inflation We've ever had, a horrible economy because inflation
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has made it so bad, and you can't get away
with that.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
You so much. I want to respond to that, though,
I want to just respond briefly clearly, I am not
Joe Biden, and I am certainly not Donald Trump, and
what I do offer is a new generation of leadership
for our country, one who believes in what is possible,
one who brings a sense of optimism about what we
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can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I
believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses,
which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about
our plans, and let's compare the plans. I have a
plan to give startup businesses fifty thousand dollars tax deduction
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to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.
I have a plan six thousand dollars for young families
for the first year of your child's life, to help
you in that most critical stage of your child's development.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I have a plan that is about allowing.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
People to be able to pursue what has been fleeting
in terms of the American dream by offering a help
with down payment of twenty five thousand dollars down payment
assistance for.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
First time home buyers.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
That's the kind of conversation I believe, David, that people
really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is
constantly about belittling and name calling.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Let's turn the page.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Vice President Marrison, thank you. Let's move on. President, Let's
turn the policy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Please to defund the police. She has a plan to
confiscate everybody's gun. President plan to allow fracking in Pennsylvania
or anywhere else. Okay, that's what her plan is until
just recently, I just want to go.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Something sorry that I need to respect.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
I'm sorry, We're going to We're going to move on.
By President Trump, this is now your third time running
for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace
the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have
failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to
keep Obamacare quote, unless we can do something much better.
Last month you said, quote we're working on it. So tonight,
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nine years after you first started running, do you have
a plan and can you tell us what it is?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Obamacare was lousy, healthcare always was. It's not very good today.
And what I said that if we come up with something,
and we are working on things, we're going to do it,
and we're going to replace it. But remember this, I
inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it, they wouldn't vote
for it. They were unanimous they would vote to change it.
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If they would have done that, we would have had
a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came
up they wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice
to make when I was president. Do I save it
and make it as good as it can be, never
going to be great, or do I let it rot?
And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically
it would have been good to just let it rot
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and let it go away. I decided, and I told
my people, the top people, and they're very good people.
I have a lot of good people in this administration.
We read about the bad ones. We had some real
bad ones too, and so do they They have really
bad ones. The differences, they don't get rid of it.
But let me just explain. I had a choice to make.
Do I save it and make it as good as
it can be, or do I let it rot? And
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I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's
still never going to be great, and it's too expensive
for people. And what we will do is we're looking
at different plans. If we can come up with a
plan that's going to cost our people, our population less
my and be better healthcare than Obamacare, then I would
absolutely do it, But until then I'd run it as
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good as it can be run.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
So just yes or no. You still do not have
a plan.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now,
but if we come up with something, I would only
change it. If we come up with something that's better
and less expensive, and there are concepts and options. We
have to do that, and you'll be hearing about it
in the not too distant future.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Vice President Harrison, twenty seventeen, you supported Bernie Sanders proposal
to do away with private insurance and create a government
run healthcare system. Two years later, you proposed a plan
that included a private insurance option. What is your plan.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Today, Well, first of all, I absolutely support in over
the last four years as Vice president, private healthcare options.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
But what we need to do is maintain and grow
the affordable care. But I'll get to that, Lindsay.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I just need to respond to a previous point that
the former president has made. I've made very clear my
position on fracking this business about taking everyone's guns away.
Tim Walls and I are both gun owners. We're not
taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying
about this stuff as it relates to the Affordable Care Act. Understand,
let's just look at the history to know where people stand.
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When Donald Trump was president sixty times, he tried to
get rid of the Affordable Care Act sixty times. I
was a senator at the time when I will never
forget the early morning hours when it was up for
a vote in the United States Senate, and the late
great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being you
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don't like him, you said at the time because he
got caught. He was an American hero, the late great
John McCain, I will never forget that night walked onto
the Senate floor.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
And said, no, you don't, no, you don't, no, you
don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have
no plan.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate
the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre
existing conditions.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
I don't have to tell the people washing tonight. You
remember what that was like.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child
had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor if
a grandparent had diabetes. And thankfully, as I've been Vice
president and We over the last four years, have strengthened
the Affordable Care Act. We have allowed, for the first time,
Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the
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American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
He never did.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We did.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
And now we have capped the cost of insulin at thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Five dollars a month.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Since I've been Vice president, we have capped the cost
of prescription medication for seniors at two thousand dollars a year.
And when I am president, we will do that for
all people. Understanding that the value I bring to this
is that access to healthcare should be a right and
not just a privilege of those who can afford it.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Has to be to strengthen the Affordable.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Care Act, not get rid of it fast as it
roll us in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I want to move to an issue that's important for
a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I had a mistake at number one. John McCain fought
Obamacare for ten years, but it wasn't only him. It
were all of the Democrats that kept it going. And
you know what, we can do much better than Obamacare,
much less money, but she won't improve private insurance for people,
private medical insurance. That's another thing she doesn't want to get.
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Exemple are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard
and made money, and they want to have private She
wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait
six months for an operation that you need to meeting.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
President Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd
like to get to that's important for a number of Americans,
in particular younger voters, and that's climate change. President Trump,
with regard to the environment, you say that we have
to have clean air and clean water. Vice President Harris,
you call climate change an existential threat. The question to
you both tonight is what would you do to fight
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climate change? And Vice President Harris will start with you
one minute for you each.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Well, the former president had said the climate change as
a hoax, and what we know is that it is
very real.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
You ask anyone who lives.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
In a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences,
who now is either being denied home insurance or its
being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been the
victim of what that means in terms of losing their home,
having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually
deal with this issue. The young people of America care
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deeply about this issue, and I am proud that as
Vice president, over the last four years, we have invested
a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy, while we
have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We
have created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs while
I have been Vice president. We have in clean energy
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to the point that we are opening up factories around
the world.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Donald Trump said he was.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Going to create manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
He lost manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the
United Autoworkers and Sean Fain, who also know that part
of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American
made products, American automobiles. It includes growing what we can
do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not
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closing them like happened under Donald Trump's President Harris, thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell
you they lost ten thousand manufacturing jobs this last month.
It's going they're all leaving. They're building big auto plants
in Mexico, in many cases owned by China. They're building
these massive plants, and they think they're going to sell
their cars into the United States because of these people.
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What they have given to China is unbelievable. But we're
not going to let that. We'll put tariffs on those
cars so they can't come into our country because they
will kill the United auto workers and any auto worker,
whether it's in Troit or South Carolina or any other place.
What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country
is horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know,
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Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid them
millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it. Between him
and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine,
they get all this money from all of these different countries.
And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to
this one, that one Ukraine, China? Why is he Why
did he get three and a half million dollars from
the mayor of Moscow's wife. Why did he get why
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did she pay him three and a half million dollars.
This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country
down the tubes.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
President Trump, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
We'll be right back with closing statements from both of
our candidates. An historic night this Abcit's presidential debate from.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You've been listening to the ABC News Presidential Debate simulcast
here on KFI. We're waiting for the candidates to return.
They'll probably give their closing statements at this point. Because
of a coin flip, former President Trump will resume, a
student will go last.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions
for our country. One that is focused on the future
and the other that is focused on the past and
an attempt to take us backward.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
But we're not going back.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And I do believe that the American people know we
all have so much more in common than what separates us,
and we can chart a new way forward. And a
vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations,
the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people,
which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy,
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investing in small businesses, in new family in what we
can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that
is about giving hard working folks a break and bringing
down the cost of living. I believe in what we
can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in
the world and ensuring that we have the respect that
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we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring
we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental
rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to
make decisions about her own body and not have her
government tell her what to do. I'll tell you, I
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started my career as a prosecutor. I was a da
I was an attorney general, a United States Senator, and
now Vice President.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I've only have one client, the people.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked
a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or
a Democrat?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
And that's the kind of president we need right now,
someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.
I intend to be a president for all Americans and
focus on what we can do over the next ten
and twenty years to build back up our country by
investing right now in you, the American people.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So she just started by saying she's going to do this.
She's going to do that, She's going to do all
these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
there for three and a half years. They've had three
and a half years to fix the border, they've had
three and a half years to create jobs and all
the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it?
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She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together, and
do the things you want to do. But you haven't
done it, and you won't do it because you believe
in things that the American people don't believe in. You
believe in things like we're not going to frack, we're
not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to
do things that are going to make this country strong,
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whether you like it or not. Germany tried that and
within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.
We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country
for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask
one simple question, why didn't she do it? We're a
failing nation, We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're
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being laughed at all over the world. All over the world.
They laugh. I know the leaders very well. They're coming
to see me, they call me. We're laughed at all
over the world. They don't understand what happened to us
as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't have
any idea what's going on. We have wars going on
in the Middle East, we have wars going on with
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Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end up in a
third World War, and it'll be a war like no
other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I
rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it
away to the Taliban, she gave it to Afghanistan. What
these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest
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of all is allowing millions of people to come into
our country. Many of them are criminals, and they're destroying
our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in
the history of our country.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
President Trump, Thank you, and that is our ABC News
presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I'm Lindsay Davis and I'm David Buwer. Thank you for
watching here in the US and all over the world.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
KF I am six forty. We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app, I'm o Kelly. As we resume our at
least post debate coverage. If you've been listening or if
you were watching, well there you have it. I got
to say it was more substantive than I thought it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Was going to be going in.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And let's talk about this being a simulcast. If you
only listened to the debate, you probably had a very
different experience from if you saw the debate. And what
I mean by that is you didn't get to see
the facial If you were just listening, you didn't get
to see the facial expressions. You didn't get to see
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the posture, you didn't get to see the looks that
were thrown each way. You didn't see how even though
you couldn't hear someone interrupt, if you're watching TV, they
could visually interrupt through their facial expressions. You could see
when they disagreed or when they shook their head and
got a better sense of what the next response was
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going to be. So, if you only listened to the
debate on KFI, there's nothing wrong with that. I just
know that your experience for the debate would be very
different from if you had seen it, and earlier this
evening when I was sitting in with Tim Conway Junior
for the run up, I made a similar comment how
this tracks with history, whether it were the first televised
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pressent sidential debate between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy
where people were watching it for the very first time
on TV, most people heard it on radio, and the
people who heard it on radio fought that Richard Nixon
had won, and those who saw it on TV because
Richard Nixon did not do well or look well under
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the lights. He was sweating profusely, and you can go
back and watch the debate to see exactly what I mean,
felt that he did not win. So the perception of
this debate probably will vary widely just given how you
may have experienced it and consumed the information. That said,
for the first seventeen minutes in I would say the
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debate was pretty straightforward, standard questions, standard answers. You could
tell they were pretty much on script. They were not
allowed any written notes, but you could tell that their
answers were pretty much scripted because there's certain questions you
could pretty much predict we're going to be asked. But
after that seventeen minute mark, and I made a little
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mark at that time because I wanted to put a
pin in. It's like, okay, this is where things were
going to change. It's seventeen minutes in. I could feel
if you were listening it. Listening to it, you might
have felt it, but if you're watching it, you definitely
saw it.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It took an emotional turn.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
It was at that point that former President Trump increased
his pointed attacks. You noticed some on site fact checking
of former President Trump regarding abortion. This was not done
in previous debate that it wasn't done in the debate
with Joe Biden, and we didn't see it in other
interviews in town halls. So this was something which was new,
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but you could tell that it was ramping up in
an emotional sense. There were some moments where the former
president Trump made an attack about Kamala Harris being a Marxist.
Harris did not take that bait, she did not respond
to it. And this is the sum of the strategy
which is used going in where you try to make
a personal remark and force your competition or I should
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say encourage her in competition to respond and get off message,
get off the actual policy that you're trying to talk about.
Get off your vision for the future, and you talk
about a personal remark and you talk about the past. Now,
I will say that Vice President Harris was able to
do that to a certain degree when she started talking
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about former President Trump's rallies and then Trump went into
a long diatribe about his rallies and talking about himself
instead of talking to the American people and his vision forward.
Now here's the question I always get after every single debate,
and I usually give the same answer, if only because
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it is still applicable. It's not a cop out, and
it's never wrong. It's real simple. Who wanted a debate
is yet to be decided said. Who won the debate
is the person who's in a better position tomorrow because
they have the spin room going on right now, and
people will try to cast this debate as Trump one,
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Harris one. Trump did this, Harris failed to do that.
Harris was better at this, Trump was poor at that.
That's what the spin room does, trying to shape people's perceptions.
But all that aside, the actual winner of the debate
will have an increased position tomorrow. They'll have better polling,
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they'll have better donations. They will be in a better
position tomorrow than they were today, and largely that's predicated
on how people feel about the debate. They had different
goals going in. Trump I believe, was trying to get
Harris off her mark, as they say, trying to disrupt her,
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trying to confuse her, trying to insult her in a
certain way where where she might have not been able
to stay on message. That was the goal coming in
why because if you can get Harris off her mark
in her message, then she would seem less presidential, seem
less ready for the position, less suitable for the office. Harris, conversely,
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was trying to make sure that she was speaking to
the moderates, the independence, those people who might have been
disaffected Republicans who possibly were never Trumpers, but you wanted
to make sure, if you're a Hair supporter, that you
just didn't stay home, or that you just didn't leave
that portion of the ballot unselected, but you made the
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affirmative choice to vote for Kamala Harris. Her job was
to get the people who might have been persuadable, the
people who did not know her, the people who might
have been open to a different choice that was her job,
and to do that, you could see. The strategy was clear.
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Was you could see that she was looking into the
camera talking directly to the American people, trying to say, hey,
I am here for you, not for me personally. And
I'm just basically paraphrasing her message because it was repeated
most of the night, how she was talking about her
vision for the American people. Now, what she did do,
what I thought was effective. I don't know if it
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means that she would have won the night, but I
do think it was effective. She was able to get
Donald Trump to spend most of his time talking about
the past, talking about what he did when he was
in office, relitigating more than four years ago, and historically
that doesn't help when you're trying to look forward. But again,
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it doesn't matter what I think. It matters how voters
will respond to this performance. And let's be clear, all
this was performative. This is not about who has the
best plan, because, honestly, let's be honest, Donald Trump did
not say much in the way of specifics for his plan,
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and let's be honest, people are not voting because of
someone's plan. This tonight was performance art because that's where
we are as a nation. We aren't assessing these candidates
relative to who has the better health care plan. And
if you wanted to see who had the better health
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care plan, we all have Google, we all know how
to get to their websites. We didn't necessarily need them
to break down point by point what their plan would be,
and we could go into a long civics discussion about, Yeah,
just because you have a plan doesn't mean that you'll
be able to get it through Congress and then get
it to your desk as president and be able to
sign off on it. So or at least for me personally,
(40:47):
I don't get too hung up in plans because we
all know that it doesn't mean much until you know
exactly the makeup of what would be the eventual Congress.
Because as it stands going into this November general election,
it looks like, at least from the math and you
look at the seats which are available on the Senate side,
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the Democrats are having to defend more seats then they
will have the opportunity to win away from the Republicans.
Put another way, there's not a good map for them
to retain control of the Senate. It's more likely than
not that the Democrats would lose the Senate, and it's
not a guarantee that the Democrats would take control of
(41:31):
the House. So that means, regardless of any plan that
either candidate has, we're looking more likely than not than
divided government, where you may have the president will represent
one party, one of the chambers of Congress will represent
his or her party, and then the other chamber will
represent the opposition party, which means more gridlock. It means
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less likely that anything actually gets passed, which which means
it doesn't really matter how good of a plan we
might have heard tonight or didn't here tonight.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
As part of this debate.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So that's why we shouldn't get too bogged down in
the minutia and not lose sight of where we are
in America in twenty twenty four. We are highly partisan,
we are highly cynical, and we're also highly unlikely to
come together on one accord for any reason whatsoever, or
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any piece of legislation. But again, come tomorrow, it won't
matter what I say, it won't matter what your favorite
commentator will say, because everyone's spinning right now in the studio.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I see Senator Marco Rubio on NBC.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
News, and I see on Fox News they're replaying portions
of the debate. I see on Fox excuse me, Fox eleven.
I see Alex Michaelson with our own John Cobelt from
KFI right now debating Lisa Bloom and everyone is spinning.
But nothing that anyone has to say is going to
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have as much impact as when the numbers come in tomorrow,
the types of donations which will probably come in tonight
and will be reported in the coming days. The change
if at all, in polling. And here's the connection and
relationship between polling and donations. Increase in polling will lead
to it increase in donations. Why Because an increase in
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polling will tell big fundraisers and also small donation funders
that there is increased excitement and there's an increased belief
and viability in a campaign.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And when the big donors see it increase in.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Polling, they are more inclined to further support a campaign.
If you go back to Joe Biden after that last debate,
to put all this together, Joe Biden going into that
debate with Donald Trump had already had had a great
fundraising quarter. He had outraised fundraised Donald Trump by almost
one hundred million dollars if I'm not mistaken. But because
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of the poor debate performance, his big funders.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Refuse to continue funding his campaign.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And part of his dropping out had to do with
his lack of support going forward, and you need to
have that money through the rest of the campaign. And
there was a loss of confidence in his campaign even
though he had a sizable war chest. Because of the
dropping polling right after that last presidential debate, he also
(44:38):
lost his top funders. And that's how we ended up
with Kamala Harris. So the polling is inextricably linked to
the fundraising. And if you see tomorrow the next day,
a wide change in the polls where either Kamala Harris
goes up or down or Donald Trump goes up and
down or down, you will probably see a correlation to
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the fundraising. And that will tell you definitively and conclusively
who won the debate. Not me, not you, not anyone
you're watching on TV right now. It's later with Mo
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