September 20, 2024 • 33 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on what it will take to save California’s film industry AND a multi-billion-dollar plan for theater owners to “modernize the moviegoing experience” … PLUS – A review of the new Disney+ series ‘Agatha All Along’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
NFI mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and here on
Later with Mo Kelly. We love to talk about movies,
not just movies that we see, but the industry which
is at its foundation. We talk about how business has
left California.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The movie business has left California.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
More and more films are being made in states like
North Carolina, Georgia, or even in Canada. Toronto is a
big place for a lot of TV shows and movies
to be filmed where those cities service i'll say generic
backdrops if they wanted to use actual city scapes, or
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they're building complete sound stages like Tyler Perry has done
in Atlanta. And you have big movie studios such as Marvel,
slash Disney using these sound stages, and studios like Toy
Perry's in Georgia and other places in North Carolina spending
millions and millions of dollars outside of California. Locally Mayor
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Karen Bass and also statewide Governor Newsom, they've been trying
to woo back. It's weird because they're trying to woo
back Hollywood to Hollywood and filming and creating content here
in California, specifically in the Hollywood area, but it has
been in Uphill Climb. Mayor Bass has convened a task
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force to address ways of helping the industry. Quote, let's
get some film professionals in and let's take their advice,
because this is a crisis and we need all hands
on deck. And you know that Governor Newsom has tried
to provide incentives and uh, I would I would say
like financial tax credits, credits right right. But here is
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the thing. It cast less to do just about everything
in another state, even down to craft services, even down
to security for a set set design, all of that
costs less. Now, if you're doing a movie, which is
mostly CGI and post production, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You can do that basically anywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But as far as the physical set design, the physical
process of making a film, it's often less expensive elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And there is a trickle down effect if.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You have fewer movies being made, and we know that's
true because we've always talked about the numbers, and you
have fewer movies being made in California. Who do you
think that most impacts oh, movie theaters. There are fewer
movies which are actually going to movie theaters. There are
fewer movies being made here in California, and also movies
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are staying less time in actual theaters.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
We talk about that as well.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So movie theaters are the ones which suffer the most.
I think that there's no way back.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And twelve and I were talking off air during the
break about just the future of radio and how think
about it. As much as we love CAFI and I
know you love KFI, but KFI is the exception to
the rule because anyone can get in their car. Think
about when we do the game name that movie called Classes.
We have people calling in from Japan. We have people
calling in from states all around the United States. Why
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because we now live at a time where no matter
where you are, you can get in your car and
if you know how to use Bluetooth, or if you're
at home and you have the iHeartRadio app, you can
lend it, listen to just about any station or get
any type of content you want any time of day.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So just because you move to Japan, it doesn't mean
that you can't have KFI every single day.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
How has that impacted our industry, Well, it's because a
largely digital industry and you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Fewer and fewer physical radio stations.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This building that we're in right now, this iHeart media building,
Yet can'tfus one of the few stations which we it's
the number one news talk station in America. But people
don't need the physical building to get what we do.
We don't need the radio transmitter like we once did.
That's how just radio is changing. Film is also changing.
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Where you have all these content creators all around the world.
You can create a movie on your iPhone. You can
create a movie for one hundred thousand dollars on a
credit card and get that out there to the masses.
You can put it up on YouTube, where the traditional
movie studio, as we once knew it does not have
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the same power it once did. We talked to Mark
Ronner about how it doesn't take a lot of money
to produce a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You don't need to do that here.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You can do that anywhere, and it's very difficult to
compete against that. And you have a movie like Blood Pooh,
Blood and Honey whatever was titled that was made for
one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Look the new film coming out and Mark, you're probably
going to be going to see this. But the new
zombie flick twenty eight years later, that was shot entirely
on an iPhone.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Fifteen case in point, Steven Soderberg released a theatrical movie
that he shot on an iPhone, the one set in
the Insane Asylum.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, and it wasn't bad either.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, because the technology is such that you could do
this now. All this is cyclical, and if you've worked
in entertainment as long as we have, then you would
know this. Once upon a time, the only way that
you could get music was to listen to the radio station.
That's no longer true. You can get your favorite song
on Spotify. You can get your favorite song on YouTube.
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You don't have to listen to ninety four point seven.
We play the hits every hour or on the hour,
that and that, eighteen songs in a row, uninterrupted. Commercially,
you know, you don't have to do that anymore. Radio
has changed, Television has changed. You don't have to watch
broadcasts or what they call linear TV.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You can get an app. You don't even have to
pay for it. You could be like Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Again, not even subscribe to any cable or satellite service,
not see anything live, just get it all on the
app when you want. It's fundamentally changed how we consume entertainment,
and the movie industry is going through that same evolutionary
process where content creators don't have to go to Hollywood,
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don't have to have millions of dollars, don't have to
use a studio which is physically located in the state
of California in which to get a movie created and
also distributed.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's another thing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It used to be where you had to go through
the studios to get actual distribution. No, not anymore, not anymore,
And that is what going back to the story how
California has struggled in the past ten years of not
only retaining movie studios and movie productions in California, but
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struggle to keep up with the evolution of the industry.
Part of it is, yes, you can make movies for
less money in different states and even different countries. But
also a part of it is you're not relegated to
a physical location to make or distribute any movie. California
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used to have a corner on the market as far
as soundstage capabilities, distribution capabilities.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
That's not a function of it just being less expensive
to film a movie in Georgia. No, you don't have
to come to California for anything anymore. You can get
a distribution deal and not deal with the major studios.
You can just create something with which is really cool,
go on the festival circuit.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Someone will buy it and then put it in theaters.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I don't know if there is an answer as
to what California needs to do to lure back movie productions.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
This is something where I don't know if you could.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The horse may be out of the barn, the toothpastes
out of the tube.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Entertainment continues to evolve.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
We talked about music, we talk about radio, talk about
television and movies, and it will find its natural equilibrium
over time. But the way things were will never be
the way things are going forward, and California and LA
may never have the type of monopoly that it once had.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, you can throw.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Out the tax incentives, the rebates, you can do all
those things which would make it more attractive for movie
productions to be done here in California. But I don't
know if you can sweeten the pot enough because movies
aren't made solely in California anymore. You don't have to
go to Warner Brothers Studios and use their back lot
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to film a TV show anymore, because there's just too
many other places you can do it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
What does that mean for movies that we like.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, it's good because we get content from all these
different places, and we have all these platforms where we
get to watch them and we can watch them whenever
we want.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But the unintended.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Consequences is because of that huge landscape and we have
all these content creators and we have people making movies
on iPhones. Well, if you can make a movie on iPhone,
what the hell can Universal studios do for you other
than distribute your movie? And even then you may not
need Universal Studios because you got places like to me
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now which will distribute your content. You don't have to
go the traditional route of well you have to make
sure that it appears on a cable channel, or we
have to make sure that.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's available in theaters. How about neither Most of the
things that we like on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Are actually for foreign actually releases that just they've dubbed
nick they've dubbed or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's a game changer, right because.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That means that Netflix isn't obligated to buy content from
the major studios. I've enjoyed all these action movies from
around the world. The dubbing is kind of suspect, but
the movies are still good enough, and it's things that
I haven't seen before.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm pleased now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Maybe not good for the studios, but it's not about
the studios as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's about me and my enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If I'm gonna pay twenty three dollars a month for Netflix,
I'm gonna make sure that I'm satisfied. So the long
story short is, I don't know if there is an
answer to what ales California and movie productions here, and
we'll we come back. We're gonna tell you about the
other end of this where you talk about that supply
line as it goes all the way down the line
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to the end consumer. Well, what are theaters trying to
do given all that we've discussed.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty KF.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'm o' Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I
don't want you to get the wrong idea. I don't
want you to get the idea that I'm rooting against
either the movie industry or rooting against movie theaters.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It could not be further from the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I'm a kid who grew up loving the communal experience
of going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To the movies.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Movies are funnier, the jokes are funnier when in the
company of dozens of others. They're emotionally more impactful in
the company of others. There's something about the communal experience
of movies which can't be duplicated in a home environment.
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But at the same time, there's certain things that don't
have to put up with when I got when I
stay home as opposed to going to the movies. I
don't want mother fathers kicking the back of my chair.
That drives me that crap crazy. I can't stand the
kids talking through the movie where I call them kids
they might be young adults. I can't stand the phones
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when I'm seeing the phones light up and I'm hearing
the people texting and talking all.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Those are the things that I just can't deal with
and as I get over, I don't want to deal
with it. And because the home theater experience has improved
so much in the past ten years to TV's have
gotten bigger, they've gotten sharper and brighter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
They have all these professional.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Surround sound systems attached to them. And refrigerators, Oh my goodness,
they're refrigerators. Yes, yes, my refrigerator is better than any
concession standardy theater.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, I have all the trimmings, and I have also
all the alcohol that I want at a much better
price than the theater. You buried the lead there. That's
what you needed to start with. Well, when we go
to the theater in Burbank, when the guys, I don't
want to say which one, but when we go to
the theater, there is a bar which is attached to
the theater. And that's kind of cool because I like
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having an adult beverage right before I sit down at
a movie. And that's kind of born out of the
home theater experience. And you're seeing that theaters, as they
try to modernize themselves, they're trying to offer more and more.
Here's the word for you, Mark Autra Matraman.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Just like Winnebago Man.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
They're trying to offer more and more stuff which mimics
the home theater experience.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, there was a chain of well a handful of
different theaters that you could order food and get drinks at,
and that was the main appeal of them. They would
sometimes run second run movies, but those were great. And
even if I mean if they had like a five
dollars movie night, you'd still go in there and spend
forty or fifty bucks because you were sitting there being
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served food and drinks a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
When I go to Synopolis and I posted some of this,
it's the one in Inglewood right across the street, right
across the street from the Intuit Dome. That's where they
have the robots would come deliver the food from the kitchen.
They also have where you can order food and they'll
have a waiter. A waitress is someone who will bring
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the food to you during the movie, bring you alcohol
during the movie. And it's a great experience. But there
are few movies that I actually want to see that,
you know, because some movies are not.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Worth the theater.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They're just not I'll wait until they hit a home
streaming streaming service. The reason why we're talking about this
theater owners, and I'm talking about all the big names AMC, Regal,
CINEMRK Cineplex, Marcus Theaters, B and B Theaters, Harkins Theaters,
Santikos Entertainment. They're dropping two point two billion dollars to
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modernize and.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Upgrade the movie going experience.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Why because they know that is the only way they
can hope to keep up with what you have at home.
What I have at home, and what Mark has at home,
and what we have at home are creature comforts. We
have the best place to sit, We can pause a movie,
we can rewind, we can answer a phone, we can multitask,
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play on our computer, we can text and not worry
about disturbing anyone. We can do all the things you
just can't or shouldn't do in a theater setting. So
you have to offer something that is equal to that
or better. And so theaters are saying, we have to
up our game or we're going to die as an industry.
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And you think how many theaters are there well for
a wide release for a movie which is going to
be everywhere like an inside out to you're talking about
forty five hundred theaters nationwide, just about.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Give or take a few.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So there's a lot of theaters which can be saved,
which need to be saved, and they're going to spend
two point two billion dollars because the movie theater industry
has not rebounded since the pandemic, not completely. And we've
talked about this time and time again, and they're still struggling.
Even the summer box office, even though Inside Out Too
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did very well, Even though Deadpool and Wolverine did very well,
both of those movies taking in more than a billion dollars. Overall,
summer box office was down thirteen percent just from last year,
which was down from the year before that. There's a
progression and pattern. Now what they're trying to do. They're
going to have laser projection tech, achnology, immersive sound systems,
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you know, like the stuff we have at home, more
comfortable seating, you know, like the stuff we have at home,
State of the art air conditioning, you know, like I
have at home. Can't speak for Mark, he maybe has
a fan, but I got air conditioning.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Well, I'll tell you that's a real thing. On a
hot day, Yes, going to a movie theater with air
conditioning that for a lot of people that's a major attraction.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
It is because you have to leave your house, maybe
your elderly. Maybe you don't want to go through the
whole process of getting in a car and making that
driving in a hot, uncomfortable environment to watch a show
and deal with all the other distractions and things that
I was talking about to get back in your car.
And you may not think that it's worth that type
of almost an investment. If you're gonna spend at least
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thirty dollars for two tickets, at least thirty dollars and
another twenty five dollars on food and everything, you have
to be predamned sure that's how you want to spend
your time. And the movies were saying, we're gonna make
it worth your time. Hopefully they're even going to put
in new carpeting. Look, I'm just telling you what they're
trying to do.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
If they could just get people to keep their phones
in their pockets and shut up, I'd be a lot
more likely to go more frequently.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I think so too, And I'm quite sure they're probably
gonna have to institute or implement some sort of process
which is going to be.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Just.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I don't want to say heavy handed, but you have
to deal with that element because it really detracts from
the movie experience. It is to the point where I
think about that more than the movie I want to see.
It's like, am I willing to put up with this?
Am I ready to put up with it? Am I
in the right frame of mind? Because I don't want
to get into a situation because they're gonna start mouthing off.
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Then I'm gonna start mouthing off, and it's gonna ruin
the movie, not only for me but someone else, and
then I'm gonna have to leave and fight to get
my money back.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I don't want to go through that all the time.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
No, I don't want my fight or flight system kicking
in every time I go to a movie.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right, But it's something I consciously think about, is this
a movie that I can watch it this time of day?
Because I refuse to go to a movie if at
all possible, If at all possible on a Friday night. Oh,
I was asking for trouble. Yeah, And those are the
things I got to think about. Do I want to
deal with that in the theater and ruin the experience?
Possibly or do I want to stay home and enjoy
something else on streaming and just fall asleep and not
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have to do with any of the extras.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
On your eighty incher, I might remind everyone, Yes, I've
only got a fifty incher. Well, if you have to
whip it out and compare, okay, now, there's no need
to make it filthy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I mean you have. Oh so I'm making it weird? Yeah,
you really are.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You have a screen that's bigger than a lot of
little independent theaters have.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's true. That's true, and that's why I usually spend
most of my time at home.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's Later with mokel like cam if I am six
forty we are alive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And
speaking of home entertainment, when we come back, we have
a review of the new Disney Plus series Agatha All
Along and Max Is the Penguin starring Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And yesterday mark the debut of the new Disney Plus
series Marvel series Marvel Cinematic Universe series Agatha All Along
and It is a sequel, a direct sequel to the
Disney Plus series WandaVision. The first two episodes dropped. I
watched them both today and all I can say is
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actress Catherine Hahn, who stars as Agatha Harkness. She is
so underrated. She is fantastic in this role. I love
this series. Now. I will say that if you haven't
seen WandaVision, if you're not a Marvel Cinematic Universe fan,
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there none of this is.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Going to make sense. I just say it's not gonna
It's not gonna make any sense.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You have to have seen the preceding series to have
any idea what is happening in those first two episodes because.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It directly relates to the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Last episode of WandaVision, and this story is telling it.
I don't want to give away too much, but it's
it's talking about a witch who went up against Elizabeth
Olson's Scarlet Witch in WandaVision, lost her powers and she's
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now trying to get them back. And uh, it's it's
a rag tag group of would be wanna be witches
and they're now on this path to helping at the
Harkness get her powers back.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's funny. It's not for kids. As a matter of fact,
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Give it away, but the first episode makes it very
clear it's not for kids. You well, it's Disney Plus.
I don't give a damn. It's not for kids. It's
not that it's it's like it's vulgar or adult content.
But if you want your five year old to watch it,
you're probably gonna be made very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, this is a series that has excelled where many
other Marvel series have failed in that it starts off
right away bringing you in. There are a lot of
other series where it took a little time for them
to get up and running, which is what caused a
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lot of people to fall off and miss it before
it got to the good part. So to speak, this
one out the gate. It gives you something that you've
never ever seen literally in a Disney plus much less
Marvel Cinematic Universe series. The humor, the dialogue, everything about
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it reads very very adult. It is from a fantastic
creative team within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and recency biased aside,
this is is on par with being among the greats
when it comes to Marvel Cinematic Universe D Plus series.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mark Ronner, you've seen it, haven't you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I watched both of the episodes that were available last night.
I went because you're talking about her, but I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Didn't want to give it away. That's the whole points.
That's not a huge spoiler.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
That's not a huge spoiler, a huge but I didn't
expect her ass to pop up on screen.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I didn't. No, no, no, no. It's her raw, her raw,
but it was not a pantied. But it was peer peer.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Ass naked as If you have a family and you're
settling in to watch this, you should be warned ahead
of time.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You're you're gonna see some butt. Hey, this was post
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It's a different Marvel product that they're putting out there.
I don't want to say the going back to basics
because they were never this far into the adult lane.
But they're making it very clear that they're they're not
afraid of offering more mature content.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
No, and in fact, about nine minutes in there was
a line that made me stop and do a complete
double take like a Warner Brothers character.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I did she just say that, Yes, she did? She
did as I had to replay to make sure you too.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes, all right, yeah, I don't think I liked it
as much as you guys did, and infect it. I
may have to do my own rebuttal tomorrow night because
it struck me as just kind of a light comedy
that didn't get interesting until the end of the second episode.
But you'd have to hate America to dislike Catherine Hans.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
She's terrific.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
But see, that's why I think, and I talked about
this with Twalla, that's why I think they give you
the two episodes to give you a more complete picture
of the series, where it's going where If you're not
completely in the know or caught up, the one episode
doesn't give you.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
A lot of contact.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yes, again, I don't want to give it away, but
by the end of the second episode, to your point,
you're running full speed into that storyline.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It really does seem to me like a mark of
the streaming serialized show era that you got a two
episode warm up that was the intro right there. It's
like it reminded me of the Kevin Costner Horizon Western.
That whole three hour movie was a warm up for
the next three But are you gonna are you going
to see the next three?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Though?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I am going to watch the rest of the Westerns
and I will probably stick with their nine episodes. I'll
probably stick with this show. But we have a severe
difference of opinion here. I don't think it's anywhere near
close to the strongest Marvel stuff, but my opinion may
be changed by what comes next. Well, I see that's Tawalla.
I would not say it's the strongest. I said, I
thoroughly enjoyed it. I will reserve judgment until we get
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to the end. It's only because I will judge it
against Falcon and Winter Soldier, that is the gold standard
for those That was really well done, and that really
tore a page from Captain America The Inner Soldier, which
to me is the best of all the Marvel movies.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
We agree on that.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Oh one thing I should add for people who haven't
seen it yet, you should also watch the last Doctor
Strange movie.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
If you want to make complete ya say, if you.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Want to make complete sense, you need to watch Doctor
Strange in the Multiverse of Madness because it does dovetail
with that as well.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But you got to do it in order.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You have to watch WandaVision, then Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness,
then this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes, it's not an entry level show, No no, no no.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And when I say it is among the best, I'm
talking about the best introduced shows.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't know how this show mean.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It may end with a crash and burn, but as
far as all of the other Marvel Cinematic Universe Disney
Plus series, the only one that grabbed you out the
gate and was just like, oh my god, what was
that was Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Because of that
that action packed entry into that series that was like,
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that was just one of the best action sequences we've
ever seen. That was different than a cut above the rest,
which it had everyone wondering why wasn't this series first?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
All of the other series Loki, it was a gradual build.
You had to really sit and watch it. Miss Marvel
that was more for a younger tween audience and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
This one.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
The writing and how quickly they get you up to
speed without wasting any time. I'm like, yeah, this is
on its way to being among the best series that
we've seen. If it stays on track. Now, if it
falls off, well you know, then it falls off.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
When we come back, we have to do what we
said we're gonna do, and we have a quick review
of the new series Penguin on Max. That's next. As
we close out caf IM six forty Live everywhere in
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Speaker 1 (27:46):
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Speaker 3 (27:52):
They so you're not supposed to do this in radio,
but we're so behind on the clock we can't give
Penguin it's due amount of time for a review.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So we're gonna tease the review tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Mark Ronner will be doing a full review on the
Penguin tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But I will say this, I.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Wonder going in whether a show about you know, a
character from the Rogues Gallery Penguin could stand on its own.
You have a show in the Batman universe without Batman
that has always been strange to me. You had the
Now two Joker movies without Batman. It's strange to me.
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It doesn't have the same level of appeal. I look,
I commend Colin Farrell Farrell for putting on all that
makeup for each of these episodes, turning into Oswald Cobblepot,
But I don't know if the idea of the show
is going to hold up for me, but Mark Roner
will give his full review tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. That was my first
plan now when I went home tonight. In fact, I
spent last night watching Agatha, so a really good, nerdly
couple of nights. The thing about these shows is that
you never think you need him. Like there was a
whole show on I think it was epics about the
young days of Alfred the Butler, and I'm like, who
the hell needs this?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We spoke to the star Jack chat Bannon.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, and that show turned out to be terrific, and
he was terrific in it. So this Penguin show is
taken out of the kind of darker Matt Reeves Batman
universe from that most recent Robert Pattinson movie. And again,
I like the burgess Meredith Penguin from the nineteen sixty
six show, the one with a cigarette holder who goes wow,
wack what. But I'm hearing really good things about this,
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so we must give it the benefit of the doubt.
And here's another thing about Batman that we just have
to accept. We talk about the sixty six Batman and
the Tim Burton Batman, and there have been a bunch
of different ones. There is room for every version of
Batman that you love. It's not a zero sum Batman game. Okay,
now it's not. There's room, but it doesn't mean I
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want to be in the room.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And does that apply to penguins too, because like Batman? Yeah,
but how many different penguins do we need?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Really?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I was skeptical about it. And also, why hire an
actor who looks like Colin Ferrell if you're just gonna
cover him up with loads and loads of prosthetics, why
not hire somebody who's kind of in the ballpark of
the way that looks. But I'm hearing good stuff about
that too, we shall see.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I've just never been a fan of these ancillary characters,
you know. I couldn't get into the show Gotham because
we never got to see Batman. We got to see
a young Bruce Wayne. That's not really all that interesting
to me. I really couldn't get into the Joker movies plural,
because you know, Joker without Batman you can't have Look,
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what's the point of Joker with no Batman?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Because if not for Batman, Joker takes over Gotham. If
not for Batman, Penguin takes over Gotham one without the other,
I don't know if it has the same allure for me.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I have to ad that I might be in the minority.
But I absolutely hated the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie. I
thought it was just stale and it looked like somebody'd
run a superhero movie through a scorcese iSER.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's just a guy who was crazy. He was not
a criminal mastermind. Yeah, you're not alone in your dislike
for that. I know.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
In fact, look up Aos Scott's review of The New
York Times, and that really sums up what I think.
A great length that we don't have time to get
into right here. But it's also it's the most self
I know he won an Oscar for that, but it's
the most self indulgent, exhausting performance I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I couldn't wait to get out of that movie.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Look, if they called what was the character's named, Arthur Fleck,
if they just called it crazy Arthur Fleck, that would
have been fine. But it wasn't even the name of
the original Joker character. It really had nothing to do
with what we knew within a Batman universe of Joker.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, here's what's promising about the penguin thing, which is that,
regardless of how you and I may have felt about
Robert Pattinson as Batman, I don't think it's aging really well,
even a couple of years on that universe, that kind
of darker Batman being a detective universe, I think that
was really good and I am excited to see something
else in that kind of setting. Nah unpopular unpopular opinion.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I hated it, really, I didn't hate the Batman. I
thoroughly disliked Joker. I have no desire to see the sequel.
It's a musical, I know, and I love musicals, and
that makes it even more absurd to me.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
To me, I think you're just you're mocking your own movie.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I say this as someone with great affection for
Michael Uslin, so I'm being very very honest here. I
just don't see the need for these movies and shows
which don't have the main draw on any level. Even
in the Suicide Squad. Yet, you had an appearance of
Batman short, but you still had an appearance of Batman.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What'd you think about Titans, which.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Season, the first two seasons, I was in third season.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I was out.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Really I never missed an episode. And I thought they
had a great Robin in Titans as well. Uh Robin
or Nightwing whatever, same thing. Six and one help does
the Other?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I liked it because it was adult, it was edgy,
and it didn't have Batman, but they had enough of
a of a batman esque Bruce Wayne where.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I accept presence was the presence.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, And it was a show that was about an
actual team, not not off shoes, like the Titans are
an actual team. And it's a successful comic book. So
that's why that worked. We got to get out of here.
But we'll see you tomorrow if I am. Since forty
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Later with Mo Kelly. We love to talk about movies,
not just movies that we see, but the industry which
is at its foundation. We talk about how business has
left California.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The movie business has left California.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
More and more films are being made in states like
North Carolina, Georgia, or even in Canada. Toronto is a
big place for a lot of TV shows and movies
to be filmed where those cities service i'll say generic
backdrops if they wanted to use actual city scapes, or
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they're building complete sound stages like Tyler Perry has done
in Atlanta. And you have big movie studios such as Marvel,
slash Disney using these sound stages, and studios like Toy
Perry's in Georgia and other places in North Carolina spending
millions and millions of dollars outside of California. Locally Mayor
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Karen Bass and also statewide Governor Newsom, they've been trying
to woo back. It's weird because they're trying to woo
back Hollywood to Hollywood and filming and creating content here
in California, specifically in the Hollywood area, but it has
been in Uphill Climb. Mayor Bass has convened a task
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force to address ways of helping the industry. Quote, let's
get some film professionals in and let's take their advice,
because this is a crisis and we need all hands
on deck. And you know that Governor Newsom has tried
to provide incentives and uh, I would I would say
like financial tax credits, credits right right. But here is
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the thing. It cast less to do just about everything
in another state, even down to craft services, even down
to security for a set set design, all of that
costs less. Now, if you're doing a movie, which is
mostly CGI and post production, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You can do that basically anywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But as far as the physical set design, the physical
process of making a film, it's often less expensive elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And there is a trickle down effect if.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You have fewer movies being made, and we know that's
true because we've always talked about the numbers, and you
have fewer movies being made in California. Who do you
think that most impacts oh, movie theaters. There are fewer
movies which are actually going to movie theaters. There are
fewer movies being made here in California, and also movies
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are staying less time in actual theaters.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
We talk about that as well.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So movie theaters are the ones which suffer the most.
I think that there's no way back.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And twelve and I were talking off air during the
break about just the future of radio and how think
about it. As much as we love CAFI and I
know you love KFI, but KFI is the exception to
the rule because anyone can get in their car. Think
about when we do the game name that movie called Classes.
We have people calling in from Japan. We have people
calling in from states all around the United States. Why
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because we now live at a time where no matter
where you are, you can get in your car and
if you know how to use Bluetooth, or if you're
at home and you have the iHeartRadio app, you can
lend it, listen to just about any station or get
any type of content you want any time of day.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So just because you move to Japan, it doesn't mean
that you can't have KFI every single day.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
How has that impacted our industry, Well, it's because a
largely digital industry and you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Fewer and fewer physical radio stations.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This building that we're in right now, this iHeart media building,
Yet can'tfus one of the few stations which we it's
the number one news talk station in America. But people
don't need the physical building to get what we do.
We don't need the radio transmitter like we once did.
That's how just radio is changing. Film is also changing.
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Where you have all these content creators all around the world.
You can create a movie on your iPhone. You can
create a movie for one hundred thousand dollars on a
credit card and get that out there to the masses.
You can put it up on YouTube, where the traditional
movie studio, as we once knew it does not have
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the same power it once did. We talked to Mark
Ronner about how it doesn't take a lot of money
to produce a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You don't need to do that here.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You can do that anywhere, and it's very difficult to
compete against that. And you have a movie like Blood Pooh,
Blood and Honey whatever was titled that was made for
one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Look the new film coming out and Mark, you're probably
going to be going to see this. But the new
zombie flick twenty eight years later, that was shot entirely
on an iPhone.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Fifteen case in point, Steven Soderberg released a theatrical movie
that he shot on an iPhone, the one set in
the Insane Asylum.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, and it wasn't bad either.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, because the technology is such that you could do
this now. All this is cyclical, and if you've worked
in entertainment as long as we have, then you would
know this. Once upon a time, the only way that
you could get music was to listen to the radio station.
That's no longer true. You can get your favorite song
on Spotify. You can get your favorite song on YouTube.
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You don't have to listen to ninety four point seven.
We play the hits every hour or on the hour,
that and that, eighteen songs in a row, uninterrupted. Commercially,
you know, you don't have to do that anymore. Radio
has changed, Television has changed. You don't have to watch
broadcasts or what they call linear TV.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You can get an app. You don't even have to
pay for it. You could be like Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Again, not even subscribe to any cable or satellite service,
not see anything live, just get it all on the
app when you want. It's fundamentally changed how we consume entertainment,
and the movie industry is going through that same evolutionary
process where content creators don't have to go to Hollywood,
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don't have to have millions of dollars, don't have to
use a studio which is physically located in the state
of California in which to get a movie created and
also distributed.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's another thing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It used to be where you had to go through
the studios to get actual distribution. No, not anymore, not anymore,
And that is what going back to the story how
California has struggled in the past ten years of not
only retaining movie studios and movie productions in California, but
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struggle to keep up with the evolution of the industry.
Part of it is, yes, you can make movies for
less money in different states and even different countries. But
also a part of it is you're not relegated to
a physical location to make or distribute any movie. California
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used to have a corner on the market as far
as soundstage capabilities, distribution capabilities.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
That's not a function of it just being less expensive
to film a movie in Georgia. No, you don't have
to come to California for anything anymore. You can get
a distribution deal and not deal with the major studios.
You can just create something with which is really cool,
go on the festival circuit.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Someone will buy it and then put it in theaters.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I don't know if there is an answer as
to what California needs to do to lure back movie productions.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
This is something where I don't know if you could.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The horse may be out of the barn, the toothpastes
out of the tube.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Entertainment continues to evolve.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
We talked about music, we talk about radio, talk about
television and movies, and it will find its natural equilibrium
over time. But the way things were will never be
the way things are going forward, and California and LA
may never have the type of monopoly that it once had.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, you can throw.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Out the tax incentives, the rebates, you can do all
those things which would make it more attractive for movie
productions to be done here in California. But I don't
know if you can sweeten the pot enough because movies
aren't made solely in California anymore. You don't have to
go to Warner Brothers Studios and use their back lot
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to film a TV show anymore, because there's just too
many other places you can do it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
What does that mean for movies that we like.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, it's good because we get content from all these
different places, and we have all these platforms where we
get to watch them and we can watch them whenever
we want.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But the unintended.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Consequences is because of that huge landscape and we have
all these content creators and we have people making movies
on iPhones. Well, if you can make a movie on iPhone,
what the hell can Universal studios do for you other
than distribute your movie? And even then you may not
need Universal Studios because you got places like to me
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now which will distribute your content. You don't have to
go the traditional route of well you have to make
sure that it appears on a cable channel, or we
have to make sure that.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's available in theaters. How about neither Most of the
things that we like on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Are actually for foreign actually releases that just they've dubbed
nick they've dubbed or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's a game changer, right because.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That means that Netflix isn't obligated to buy content from
the major studios. I've enjoyed all these action movies from
around the world. The dubbing is kind of suspect, but
the movies are still good enough, and it's things that
I haven't seen before.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm pleased now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Maybe not good for the studios, but it's not about
the studios as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's about me and my enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If I'm gonna pay twenty three dollars a month for Netflix,
I'm gonna make sure that I'm satisfied. So the long
story short is, I don't know if there is an
answer to what ales California and movie productions here, and
we'll we come back. We're gonna tell you about the
other end of this where you talk about that supply
line as it goes all the way down the line
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to the end consumer. Well, what are theaters trying to
do given all that we've discussed.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'm o' Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I
don't want you to get the wrong idea. I don't
want you to get the idea that I'm rooting against
either the movie industry or rooting against movie theaters.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It could not be further from the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I'm a kid who grew up loving the communal experience
of going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To the movies.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Movies are funnier, the jokes are funnier when in the
company of dozens of others. They're emotionally more impactful in
the company of others. There's something about the communal experience
of movies which can't be duplicated in a home environment.
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But at the same time, there's certain things that don't
have to put up with when I got when I
stay home as opposed to going to the movies. I
don't want mother fathers kicking the back of my chair.
That drives me that crap crazy. I can't stand the
kids talking through the movie where I call them kids
they might be young adults. I can't stand the phones
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when I'm seeing the phones light up and I'm hearing
the people texting and talking all.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Those are the things that I just can't deal with
and as I get over, I don't want to deal
with it. And because the home theater experience has improved
so much in the past ten years to TV's have
gotten bigger, they've gotten sharper and brighter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
They have all these professional.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Surround sound systems attached to them. And refrigerators, Oh my goodness,
they're refrigerators. Yes, yes, my refrigerator is better than any
concession standardy theater.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, I have all the trimmings, and I have also
all the alcohol that I want at a much better
price than the theater. You buried the lead there. That's
what you needed to start with. Well, when we go
to the theater in Burbank, when the guys, I don't
want to say which one, but when we go to
the theater, there is a bar which is attached to
the theater. And that's kind of cool because I like
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having an adult beverage right before I sit down at
a movie. And that's kind of born out of the
home theater experience. And you're seeing that theaters, as they
try to modernize themselves, they're trying to offer more and more.
Here's the word for you, Mark Autra Matraman.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Just like Winnebago Man.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
They're trying to offer more and more stuff which mimics
the home theater experience.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, there was a chain of well a handful of
different theaters that you could order food and get drinks at,
and that was the main appeal of them. They would
sometimes run second run movies, but those were great. And
even if I mean if they had like a five
dollars movie night, you'd still go in there and spend
forty or fifty bucks because you were sitting there being
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served food and drinks a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
When I go to Synopolis and I posted some of this,
it's the one in Inglewood right across the street, right
across the street from the Intuit Dome. That's where they
have the robots would come deliver the food from the kitchen.
They also have where you can order food and they'll
have a waiter. A waitress is someone who will bring
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the food to you during the movie, bring you alcohol
during the movie. And it's a great experience. But there
are few movies that I actually want to see that,
you know, because some movies are not.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Worth the theater.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They're just not I'll wait until they hit a home
streaming streaming service. The reason why we're talking about this
theater owners, and I'm talking about all the big names AMC, Regal,
CINEMRK Cineplex, Marcus Theaters, B and B Theaters, Harkins Theaters,
Santikos Entertainment. They're dropping two point two billion dollars to
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modernize and.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Upgrade the movie going experience.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Why because they know that is the only way they
can hope to keep up with what you have at home.
What I have at home, and what Mark has at home,
and what we have at home are creature comforts. We
have the best place to sit, We can pause a movie,
we can rewind, we can answer a phone, we can multitask,
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play on our computer, we can text and not worry
about disturbing anyone. We can do all the things you
just can't or shouldn't do in a theater setting. So
you have to offer something that is equal to that
or better. And so theaters are saying, we have to
up our game or we're going to die as an industry.
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And you think how many theaters are there well for
a wide release for a movie which is going to
be everywhere like an inside out to you're talking about
forty five hundred theaters nationwide, just about.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Give or take a few.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So there's a lot of theaters which can be saved,
which need to be saved, and they're going to spend
two point two billion dollars because the movie theater industry
has not rebounded since the pandemic, not completely. And we've
talked about this time and time again, and they're still struggling.
Even the summer box office, even though Inside Out Too
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did very well, Even though Deadpool and Wolverine did very well,
both of those movies taking in more than a billion dollars. Overall,
summer box office was down thirteen percent just from last year,
which was down from the year before that. There's a
progression and pattern. Now what they're trying to do. They're
going to have laser projection tech, achnology, immersive sound systems,
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you know, like the stuff we have at home, more
comfortable seating, you know, like the stuff we have at home,
State of the art air conditioning, you know, like I
have at home. Can't speak for Mark, he maybe has
a fan, but I got air conditioning.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Well, I'll tell you that's a real thing. On a
hot day, Yes, going to a movie theater with air
conditioning that for a lot of people that's a major attraction.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
It is because you have to leave your house, maybe
your elderly. Maybe you don't want to go through the
whole process of getting in a car and making that
driving in a hot, uncomfortable environment to watch a show
and deal with all the other distractions and things that
I was talking about to get back in your car.
And you may not think that it's worth that type
of almost an investment. If you're gonna spend at least
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thirty dollars for two tickets, at least thirty dollars and
another twenty five dollars on food and everything, you have
to be predamned sure that's how you want to spend
your time. And the movies were saying, we're gonna make
it worth your time. Hopefully they're even going to put
in new carpeting. Look, I'm just telling you what they're
trying to do.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
If they could just get people to keep their phones
in their pockets and shut up, I'd be a lot
more likely to go more frequently.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I think so too, And I'm quite sure they're probably
gonna have to institute or implement some sort of process
which is going to be.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Just.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I don't want to say heavy handed, but you have
to deal with that element because it really detracts from
the movie experience. It is to the point where I
think about that more than the movie I want to see.
It's like, am I willing to put up with this?
Am I ready to put up with it? Am I
in the right frame of mind? Because I don't want
to get into a situation because they're gonna start mouthing off.
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Then I'm gonna start mouthing off, and it's gonna ruin
the movie, not only for me but someone else, and
then I'm gonna have to leave and fight to get
my money back.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I don't want to go through that all the time.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
No, I don't want my fight or flight system kicking
in every time I go to a movie.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right, But it's something I consciously think about, is this
a movie that I can watch it this time of day?
Because I refuse to go to a movie if at
all possible, If at all possible on a Friday night. Oh,
I was asking for trouble. Yeah, And those are the
things I got to think about. Do I want to
deal with that in the theater and ruin the experience?
Possibly or do I want to stay home and enjoy
something else on streaming and just fall asleep and not
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have to do with any of the extras.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
On your eighty incher, I might remind everyone, Yes, I've
only got a fifty incher. Well, if you have to
whip it out and compare, okay, now, there's no need
to make it filthy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I mean you have. Oh so I'm making it weird? Yeah,
you really are.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You have a screen that's bigger than a lot of
little independent theaters have.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's true. That's true, and that's why I usually spend
most of my time at home.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
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speaking of home entertainment, when we come back, we have
a review of the new Disney Plus series Agatha All
Along and Max Is the Penguin starring Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And yesterday mark the debut of the new Disney Plus
series Marvel series Marvel Cinematic Universe series Agatha All Along
and It is a sequel, a direct sequel to the
Disney Plus series WandaVision. The first two episodes dropped. I
watched them both today and all I can say is
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actress Catherine Hahn, who stars as Agatha Harkness. She is
so underrated. She is fantastic in this role. I love
this series. Now. I will say that if you haven't
seen WandaVision, if you're not a Marvel Cinematic Universe fan,
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there none of this is.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Going to make sense. I just say it's not gonna
It's not gonna make any sense.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You have to have seen the preceding series to have
any idea what is happening in those first two episodes because.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It directly relates to the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Last episode of WandaVision, and this story is telling it.
I don't want to give away too much, but it's
it's talking about a witch who went up against Elizabeth
Olson's Scarlet Witch in WandaVision, lost her powers and she's
(21:36):
now trying to get them back. And uh, it's it's
a rag tag group of would be wanna be witches
and they're now on this path to helping at the
Harkness get her powers back.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's funny. It's not for kids. As a matter of fact,
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Give it away, but the first episode makes it very
clear it's not for kids. You well, it's Disney Plus.
I don't give a damn. It's not for kids. It's
not that it's it's like it's vulgar or adult content.
But if you want your five year old to watch it,
you're probably gonna be made very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, this is a series that has excelled where many
other Marvel series have failed in that it starts off
right away bringing you in. There are a lot of
other series where it took a little time for them
to get up and running, which is what caused a
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lot of people to fall off and miss it before
it got to the good part. So to speak, this
one out the gate. It gives you something that you've
never ever seen literally in a Disney plus much less
Marvel Cinematic Universe series. The humor, the dialogue, everything about
(22:54):
it reads very very adult. It is from a fantastic
creative team within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and recency biased aside,
this is is on par with being among the greats
when it comes to Marvel Cinematic Universe D Plus series.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mark Ronner, you've seen it, haven't you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I watched both of the episodes that were available last night.
I went because you're talking about her, but I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Didn't want to give it away. That's the whole points.
That's not a huge spoiler.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
That's not a huge spoiler, a huge but I didn't
expect her ass to pop up on screen.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I didn't. No, no, no, no. It's her raw, her raw,
but it was not a pantied. But it was peer peer.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Ass naked as If you have a family and you're
settling in to watch this, you should be warned ahead
of time.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You're you're gonna see some butt. Hey, this was post
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It's a different Marvel product that they're putting out there.
I don't want to say the going back to basics
because they were never this far into the adult lane.
But they're making it very clear that they're they're not
afraid of offering more mature content.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
No, and in fact, about nine minutes in there was
a line that made me stop and do a complete
double take like a Warner Brothers character.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I did she just say that, Yes, she did? She
did as I had to replay to make sure you too.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes, all right, yeah, I don't think I liked it
as much as you guys did, and infect it. I
may have to do my own rebuttal tomorrow night because
it struck me as just kind of a light comedy
that didn't get interesting until the end of the second episode.
But you'd have to hate America to dislike Catherine Hans.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
She's terrific.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
But see, that's why I think, and I talked about
this with Twalla, that's why I think they give you
the two episodes to give you a more complete picture
of the series, where it's going where If you're not
completely in the know or caught up, the one episode
doesn't give you.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
A lot of contact.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yes, again, I don't want to give it away, but
by the end of the second episode, to your point,
you're running full speed into that storyline.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It really does seem to me like a mark of
the streaming serialized show era that you got a two
episode warm up that was the intro right there. It's
like it reminded me of the Kevin Costner Horizon Western.
That whole three hour movie was a warm up for
the next three But are you gonna are you going
to see the next three?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Though?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I am going to watch the rest of the Westerns
and I will probably stick with their nine episodes. I'll
probably stick with this show. But we have a severe
difference of opinion here. I don't think it's anywhere near
close to the strongest Marvel stuff, but my opinion may
be changed by what comes next. Well, I see that's Tawalla.
I would not say it's the strongest. I said, I
thoroughly enjoyed it. I will reserve judgment until we get
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to the end. It's only because I will judge it
against Falcon and Winter Soldier, that is the gold standard
for those That was really well done, and that really
tore a page from Captain America The Inner Soldier, which
to me is the best of all the Marvel movies.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
We agree on that.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Oh one thing I should add for people who haven't
seen it yet, you should also watch the last Doctor
Strange movie.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
If you want to make complete ya say, if you.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Want to make complete sense, you need to watch Doctor
Strange in the Multiverse of Madness because it does dovetail
with that as well.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But you got to do it in order.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You have to watch WandaVision, then Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness,
then this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes, it's not an entry level show, No no, no no.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And when I say it is among the best, I'm
talking about the best introduced shows.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't know how this show mean.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It may end with a crash and burn, but as
far as all of the other Marvel Cinematic Universe Disney
Plus series, the only one that grabbed you out the
gate and was just like, oh my god, what was
that was Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Because of that
that action packed entry into that series that was like,
(26:56):
that was just one of the best action sequences we've
ever seen. That was different than a cut above the rest,
which it had everyone wondering why wasn't this series first?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
All of the other series Loki, it was a gradual build.
You had to really sit and watch it. Miss Marvel
that was more for a younger tween audience and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
This one.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
The writing and how quickly they get you up to
speed without wasting any time. I'm like, yeah, this is
on its way to being among the best series that
we've seen. If it stays on track. Now, if it
falls off, well you know, then it falls off.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
When we come back, we have to do what we
said we're gonna do, and we have a quick review
of the new series Penguin on Max. That's next. As
we close out caf IM six forty Live everywhere in
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Speaker 1 (27:46):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (27:52):
They so you're not supposed to do this in radio,
but we're so behind on the clock we can't give
Penguin it's due amount of time for a review.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So we're gonna tease the review tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Mark Ronner will be doing a full review on the
Penguin tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But I will say this, I.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Wonder going in whether a show about you know, a
character from the Rogues Gallery Penguin could stand on its own.
You have a show in the Batman universe without Batman
that has always been strange to me. You had the
Now two Joker movies without Batman. It's strange to me.
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It doesn't have the same level of appeal. I look,
I commend Colin Farrell Farrell for putting on all that
makeup for each of these episodes, turning into Oswald Cobblepot,
But I don't know if the idea of the show
is going to hold up for me, but Mark Roner
will give his full review tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. That was my first
plan now when I went home tonight. In fact, I
spent last night watching Agatha, so a really good, nerdly
couple of nights. The thing about these shows is that
you never think you need him. Like there was a
whole show on I think it was epics about the
young days of Alfred the Butler, and I'm like, who
the hell needs this?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We spoke to the star Jack chat Bannon.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, and that show turned out to be terrific, and
he was terrific in it. So this Penguin show is
taken out of the kind of darker Matt Reeves Batman
universe from that most recent Robert Pattinson movie. And again,
I like the burgess Meredith Penguin from the nineteen sixty
six show, the one with a cigarette holder who goes wow,
wack what. But I'm hearing really good things about this,
(29:34):
so we must give it the benefit of the doubt.
And here's another thing about Batman that we just have
to accept. We talk about the sixty six Batman and
the Tim Burton Batman, and there have been a bunch
of different ones. There is room for every version of
Batman that you love. It's not a zero sum Batman game. Okay,
now it's not. There's room, but it doesn't mean I
(29:55):
want to be in the room.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And does that apply to penguins too, because like Batman? Yeah,
but how many different penguins do we need?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Really?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I was skeptical about it. And also, why hire an
actor who looks like Colin Ferrell if you're just gonna
cover him up with loads and loads of prosthetics, why
not hire somebody who's kind of in the ballpark of
the way that looks. But I'm hearing good stuff about
that too, we shall see.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I've just never been a fan of these ancillary characters,
you know. I couldn't get into the show Gotham because
we never got to see Batman. We got to see
a young Bruce Wayne. That's not really all that interesting
to me. I really couldn't get into the Joker movies plural,
because you know, Joker without Batman you can't have Look,
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what's the point of Joker with no Batman?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Because if not for Batman, Joker takes over Gotham. If
not for Batman, Penguin takes over Gotham one without the other,
I don't know if it has the same allure for me.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I have to ad that I might be in the minority.
But I absolutely hated the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie. I
thought it was just stale and it looked like somebody'd
run a superhero movie through a scorcese iSER.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's just a guy who was crazy. He was not
a criminal mastermind. Yeah, you're not alone in your dislike
for that. I know.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
In fact, look up Aos Scott's review of The New
York Times, and that really sums up what I think.
A great length that we don't have time to get
into right here. But it's also it's the most self
I know he won an Oscar for that, but it's
the most self indulgent, exhausting performance I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I couldn't wait to get out of that movie.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Look, if they called what was the character's named, Arthur Fleck,
if they just called it crazy Arthur Fleck, that would
have been fine. But it wasn't even the name of
the original Joker character. It really had nothing to do
with what we knew within a Batman universe of Joker.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, here's what's promising about the penguin thing, which is that,
regardless of how you and I may have felt about
Robert Pattinson as Batman, I don't think it's aging really well,
even a couple of years on that universe, that kind
of darker Batman being a detective universe, I think that
was really good and I am excited to see something
else in that kind of setting. Nah unpopular unpopular opinion.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I hated it, really, I didn't hate the Batman. I
thoroughly disliked Joker. I have no desire to see the sequel.
It's a musical, I know, and I love musicals, and
that makes it even more absurd to me.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
To me, I think you're just you're mocking your own movie.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I say this as someone with great affection for
Michael Uslin, so I'm being very very honest here. I
just don't see the need for these movies and shows
which don't have the main draw on any level. Even
in the Suicide Squad. Yet, you had an appearance of
Batman short, but you still had an appearance of Batman.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What'd you think about Titans, which.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Season, the first two seasons, I was in third season.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I was out.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Really I never missed an episode. And I thought they
had a great Robin in Titans as well. Uh Robin
or Nightwing whatever, same thing. Six and one help does
the Other?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I liked it because it was adult, it was edgy,
and it didn't have Batman, but they had enough of
a of a batman esque Bruce Wayne where.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I accept presence was the presence.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, And it was a show that was about an
actual team, not not off shoes, like the Titans are
an actual team. And it's a successful comic book. So
that's why that worked. We got to get out of here.
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