October 24, 2024 • 36 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – An in-depth analysis of the most viral stories of the week in “The Viral Load” with regular guest contributor Tiffany Hobbs weighing in on everything from a viral Chic-Fil-A delivery pic and the resurgence of disgraced German pop duo Milli Vanilli, to the new TikTok “ghost trend” Meta’s tips for individuals facing online sextortion and MORE…PLUS – Thoughts on the uproar and calls for the removal of transgender player Hailey Davidson from the LPGA Tour - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI a M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Social media, Facebook gets, Extraktalk, viral Load, viral load, the
viral load, lad Timney.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
KFI.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. Now let's go
to tifty Hobbs and the viral load.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Mo.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
You were talking about Denny's and I'm going to attempt
to do an accurate callback.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yes, I'm still hungry. Now, thanks for bringing it up again.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Let's let's let's go a little bit further into it.
Have you ever used a delivery app to order from
Denny's or any sort of overnight type diner.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yes, to get food? Oh, yes, many times. So you
know what a delivery app is.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
You have your Uber Eats, DoorDash, you have your Postmates,
grub Ub, all of these really popular delivery apps that
allow you the convenience of ordering food. Well, that's not
the issue, okay. Convenience is something that people want. However,
if you decide to order food, you might go viral
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for the wrong reason, such as this unknown customer did
when a photo of their food on their porch their
doorstep rather their doorstep, went viral.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Because in New York. This food sat.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Out for an hour, hour and a half, is what
the photographer said. And while the photographer was there, they
saw a large rat, another call back to an earlier story,
a large rat inspecting the meal. The meal was a
Chick fil A bag a soda, and there was a
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rat kind of rummaging through the food as it's sat
there waiting for the customer to retrieve it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They got Chick fil A in New York. Didn't know
they have Chick fil A in New York.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
The reason that this story is a part of the
viral load is because of how popular these delivery apps are.
And often when you get your food, you might not
necessarily retrieve it immediately. Perhaps you're doing something else, Perhaps
the food or the groceries have beaten you to the
destination or your workplace, whatever it might be. If it
sits out, you are making it susceptible to rats, other
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animals that iua, coyotes, squirrels, whatever, people, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And this is a.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Cautionary tale that is going viral that if you order
get your food right away, don't let it sit out,
and definitely don't let it sit out in one of
the ten worst places for rats in the country.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
You wouldn't think that you'd have to I should say
you would think that you would. You wouldn't have to
say this. You would think it's common sense. You wouldn't
watch your food just sitting out in either the elements
or susceptible to someone tampering with it, getting cold, whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I think people take that knowledge or that common sense
for granted. There's some sort of invisible barrier of reasoning
that goes into play when these delivery apps are utilized.
We think that, yes, the food is going to come,
it's going to be packaged, fine, no one, like you said,
will have tampered with it. But studies show that, unfortunately,
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all of that does happen, whether human tampering or the
tampering from a rodent like in this particular photo, and
you can look it up online.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's all over social media.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Look up the Chick fil A Chick fil A meal
rat inspecting Chick fil A mill.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
What's up with these New York rats getting all these
prime meals from pizza to Chick fil a.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
They're eating, well, have you seen New York a whole
other specimen into themselves. Second story is equally, if not
more so, as disgusting, and Claudine spoke about this time
of year kind of being a lull for people when
it comes to gym activity. Well, if you should find
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yourself in a public gym, Weather twenty four hour Fitness,
La Fitness Crunch, name your Jim du Joor, you'll have
to Planet Fitness as well. Mo, you'll be saden to
know that consumer research group fit rate it conduct it
and investigation into gim cleanliness.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And what did they find.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Well, they found that GEM equipment harbor's significant bacteria.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, make sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
During COVID, if you use gym equipment, you saw a
pallethora of disinfectant items there, whether spray's or so that
you could make sure that you were keeping that area clean. However,
not only does GEM equipment harbor significant bacteria, but the
study found that free weights, so your hand weights, your
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five pound what are they called barbells or whatever they
may be, dumbells, dumbells, barbells, whatever the case. What I
go to the gym, I promised they contain three hundred
and sixty two times more bacteria than a toilet seat.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
That sounds strange, but intellectually, I can understand that, if
only because there are more people coming into physical contact
with those barbells each and every day, as opposed to
booties on toilet seats, which is clean thoroughly, presumably at
least once a day.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't think the weights are clean consistently, and that's.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
What I guess fit Rated and others have been finding that.
We think, again, we take for granted the cleanliness of
these public spaces. You might not, but I know I
have in my gym usage, just thought, hey, pick up
a dumbbell and use it without necessarily wiping it down.
That was pre COVID. COVID kind of primed me for
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disinfecting things. But prior to that, and even since I
was lax and a lot of people are. Not only
the dumbbells of free weights, but exercise bikes were said
to have thirty nine times more bacteria than a reusable
canteen tray.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I wonder what jim showers their level of bacteria. Oh shudder,
you know, don't ever walk in there without shower shoes.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
The things I've heard in gym showers, the snot rockets
being blown ur urination, the other things.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That we can the stuff front air.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It has a co ed shower at that But despite
these findings, health experts do know that the risk of
infection by catching something from one of these public items
is low.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Whatever can't be both. It can't be high bacteria and
low infection. Well, that's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I know, when you go back to your gym wherever
you might go, mo, will you be disinfecting the weights
before you use them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I don't usually go to a gym for that reason,
and I'm trying to get over all that before i
go to like to Iconics and go to one of
Claudine's classes. But I've never ever showered at a fitness
place for that reason. And I'm really really skittish about
any of the facilities. Like I've never gone into pool,
never used a shower or the sauna.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Things you see.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, I come in or back in the day, I
would come in, I do my work, and I get out.
I'm not trying to do anything which has to do
with hygiene there new.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
The thing that scares me is when you have these
sorts of studies about cleanliness, it makes you paranoid. It
makes you think of other places that are commonly used,
common spaces.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm looking around the studio at micro you can't talk
about that.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Radio and just it's very difficult to work in radio
as a germophobe. Yeah, and we know some I'm just
saying you if you have to get over that real quick.
Here shared buttons in computers and microphones and table surfaces everything.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yes, headphones, headphones, door knobs, all of the things. We
have time for one more quick story. Should we wait?
Let's wait all right, because I know there's going to
be a little bit more to this story.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it has to do with Milli Vanilli. That's the
tea Bubba Bay.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But baby, you think this generation remembers.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, that's what the story has to do. That'll be
the teas. Then. Yeah, there you go. It's the viral Load,
Part one.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
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Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, it's time for them My Room with Tiffany live
on Campies too. In moo Kelly, She'll talk about the
time this con social media viral Alone with Tiffany.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Hobbs kfim O Kelly Tiffany Hobbs live Everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app Let's continue with the viral load back.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Thirty five years ago, Milli Vanilly, famed but disgraced pop
group from Germany hit the scene. They had three very
popular songs that charted one even winning a Grammy. They
were the biggest act at the time until controversy basically
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took them down.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And what was the controversy They weren't singing any of
the music. They weren't singing any of the music. I
remember that well, I was working in the industry.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, you I think that that story would kind of
live and die thirty five years ago. We know about
it if you live during that time, but it's talked
about kind of tongue in cheek and made fun of.
Their music isn't popular today, nor is it relevant. You'd
be hard pressed to find it on the radio. Of course.
Well that has changed because with the popularity of the
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new Netflix series Monsters, which chronicles the Eric and Lyle
Menindez story, and with all of the interest in their
story as it is unfolding today, with the reformatting of
their case, the possible resentencing the interest in it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Milli Vanilli is back on the scene.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Why what's the connection between Milli Vanilli and Eric and
Lyle Menindez. Well, thirty five years ago, when they were
on trial, the boys, the young men, it was said,
it was noted that they were huge fans of Milli Vanilli,
that they often listen to their songs, that they would
sing their songs when they were together. It became a
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big part of the case and that has been reintroduced
in Monsters, the Netflix story about Eric and Lyle Menindez
where in multiple scenes throughout the series they are singing
and playing Milli Vanilli's three biggest hits. That then exposes
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Millie Vanilli's music to a new audience. And that is
exactly what's happening and what has gone viral. Milli Vanilli
is now part of the current public lexicon because they
are charting on Billboard's tik.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Tok Bilboard TikTok music chart.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Can you believe it? That's what surprised the most.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I didn't know that no Billboard has its own TikTok
chart where Milli Vanilli's three top songs.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Blame it on the Rain. What are the other two?
It's true ooh ooh ooh, I love you.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
And then the other one, which is kind of the
girl I'm Gonna miss you. That's the one girl I'm
gonna miss you. All three of those songs have charted
on billboards TikTok charts. They are hyper popular, and Twala
can even speak to the virility of what's going.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
On with Millie.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Now I get where my fourteen year old daughter got
it from, because she was talking about watching the Monster
docu saries whatever on on Netflix Netflix, and she has
NonStop for the past two weeks, had Milli Vanilli interer
it and this group is brand new to her. She
swears to me that this group has invented music. They
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are daddy, have you heard have you ever heard of them?
Oh my god, Daddy, you're telling me that you had
music like this when your I thought all the music
that you had was hip hop and all that. This
music is phenomenal. She loves Billy Vanilli blaming on the Rain.
It is non stopping. Her head lives in her head
rent free.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
She is fourteen. Yes, this is completely new to her.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
She's downloaded the damn song. Wait does she know the
history of the group, and I told her about that.
She said, yes, Daddy, I know, I know how to
research and look up. You know, I know that they
wasn't actually singing, But that doesn't deny the fact that
these songs are hits.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
They are hits, then they're hits now.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Wow. Doesn't matter to her that they weren't singing. It
just matters what they came out with, what was released.
She loves, she's obsessed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
She thought they were flying. I'm like, kid, did.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
She hear how everything turned out? How one killed himselves?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yes, she knows because I laughed about that and I
said their wagness was so bad it drove one of
them to their death. And she said, Daddy, you are
not funny at all. You are wrong. You're gonna pay for.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But that's part of the true story, because the ridicule
was so much, because for those who don't know, they
tried to go legit after that, as a group and
then as solo artists received varying levels of success and ridicule,
and one fab more Van was to the point where
he took his own life accommodation of other things.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
But still, I mean the drugs definitely played a hardcore
role in that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It wasn't because he was being folded fab one of them.
It was, yeah, it was one of the light eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
And there was no social media then, so it wasn't
that he was being bullied online.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Because of your daughter and her generation and maybe even
younger and just that surrounding area or age group. Their's
streams Millie Vanilli's entire catalog. Their streams have increased one
hundred and fourteen percent since the release of Monsters. So
the remaining Millie Vanilli, the remaining member.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Is if pop. I don't know what he what he owns.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
As far as stake in the music, but he might
be saying a bit of a payday.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Now whoever owns talk about the royalties, the songwriter royalties
of publishing. Those people will get paid milivan nearly. This
is a perfect example. They didn't write the songs, They
didn't even really perform the songs. I don't think they
have any connection to the royalties because they didn't perform them.
They weren't a part of the recording master, they didn't
lend their voices, so they have no legal claim to
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any of it.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Wow, So you're just watching yourself essentially blow up again,
have fame again.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But there's nothing you can do to really capitalize on it,
to get one cent of that.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
But they only got performing royalties and that's when they performed.
And I believe that they had to share that with
the actual singers of the soul.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We have to, yeah, because all they were doing the
master Yeah, they were just yeah, they're basically backup dancers.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There you go, or they're not going anyway anytime soon
as the series is very popular. So that's that one.
Two more stories really quick. There's a ghost trend on TikTok.
You know that old school costume Halloween costume with white sheet,
poke holes or cut holes in it for your eyes.
Put some sunglasses on the cross, right, ha ha ha
A a little less sordid.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Don't you dare laugh at my jokes and not give
me a rim shot? Stephan, thank you, now proceed.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Not that costume, the more sanitized costume.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
G rate it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Ghost, a very bootleg ghost costume. Well, it is simple
and it is back. It comes back every year. It's
back this year. It's Halloween time, spooky season. And not
only are people wearing that costume, the white sheets. If
you see your white sheets disappearing, check and see what's
going on. They might be creating costumes or other costumes.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You have white sheets.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We don't keep white I don't keep white sheets, but
apparently someone does and they're contributing to this resurgence in
the bootleg simplistic ghost costume, and it is viral because
people are using this costume to put on elaborate photo
shoots with kind of mood lighting and that foggy, vintage
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kind of feel to the photos, and it's all a
part of the ghost aesthetic. It is called the ghost trend.
And they pair these photos with a song called Oh Klahoma.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Like the musical, not the musical, it's something else.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Separate word like the exclamation of oh, and then Klahoma
is a separate word. But there's something about that pairing
the entire imagery that has gone viral and it is everywhere.
So if you see that ghost costume, that's why people
are probably going to be wanting to create content videos.
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The last story has to do with Meta, who has
decided to take on sex stortion, the idea of extortion
by using sexual images or blackmail or revenge porn type
stuff Meta has released five steps for individuals facing online
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sextortion on social media, Facebook, Instagram, whatever it may be.
Number one, Meta says take control, stop responding, and do
not pay if someone tries to extort you for images.
Number two, tell someone you trust like a close friend, teacher,
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or parent. Number three report and block, Report and block.
Meta says, tell on them. Let Meta know whatever the
social media app, that this is what's happening to you.
Report the profile and block them, do not engage. Number four,
submit a case with Take it Down. Take it Down
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is its own investigative app that aims to again combat
online bullying and sextortion. And then lastly, report manipulated or
AI generated content. So if you have content flow out
there around you that you did not participate in that
has been created by artificial intelligence or manipulated by it,
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report it so that it can be taken down. And
I brought this up because I've reported profiles before that
I've seen and Meta won't take anything.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're reporting. It takes for
everyone to get back to you. So if they do
have AI revenge porn images, you may not hear from
them for a month.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And when you do, you'll likely get the response that I've.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Gotten, which violate our community.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I've seen people doing things that are completely inappropriate, reported
them and they told me there was nothing wrong. But
it's viral. It's the viral load. That's the viral load.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 4 (19:48):
And hundreds of female golfers have complained about the participation
of Scottish born transgender player Haley Davidson in the penultimate
a stage of the LPGA Tours qualifying competition, where you
can get on the tour if you get a certain score.
Davidson is thirty one years old and originally from I
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think it's pronounced Airshire, but now based in Florida, and
has said that her intention is to quote make Scotland
proud close quote by earning a tour card on the
women's premiere circuit.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh it's airshre airsure, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
She progressed through August's first stage of Q school and
Q School's the school for qualifying for your tour card.
But the former player was a US male college team
member and was also accused by changing genders of acting
unfairly what this is not difficult. I know this is
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an ongoing debate, and I know emotions can run high.
But aside from this particular instance of a transgender woman
playing with biologically, I guess they call it a mutable
sex women. This is real simple. There's sex and there's gender.
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Sex is how you were born, the science of it all,
the biology of it all. Gender is our societal construct of
how we present ourselves, how we group ourselves. But that
is different from how you were born biologically, chromosomes, what
have you. When you are on a competitive field, first
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and foremost, it's about making sure that competitive field is level,
so level playing field, level competition. The whole reason of
dividing the sexes, which is different from dividing the genders,
dividing the sexes was to ensure that there was a
level competitive playing field. There is a reason why in
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boxing you have different weight classes because the strength matters.
There is a reason why we have an NBA and
a WNBA. And this is not about one sex being
superior to another. It's about one sex being physically stronger
than another. And when you're talking about sports, you're talking
about strength.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You are talking about.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Physical and physiological differences which have to do with sex,
and they are competitive advantages when you're talking about sports,
which is separated by gender.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Anything against someone being transgender. How you wish to live
your life is how you wish to live your life.
But in being transgender, you've made a decision to present
yourself as a different gender than what you would have
become if it were if you were to stay with
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your biological sex. If that makes any sense, and if
my terminology is a little clunky, excuse me, but you
know where I'm going with this. You've made a decision
to change how you present yourself in the societal construct
of gender. But your immutable sex, your chromosomes, the physiology
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has not changed. If I tomorrow decided for whatever reason
or no, I'm not saying this to mock anyone, But
if I tomorrow decided to present myself as a woman
and live my life as a woman, I am doing
so under the societal construct of gender and how we
perceive the roles and the clothing styles and the attributes
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of a woman.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But my sex has not changed.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
The amount of testosterone that my body is producing has
not changed. With exception of meat taking drugs to somehow
impact that my physiology has not changed, my hormones have
not changed. This is something which is not all that
difficult to solve. As long as we are going to
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separate our sports by sex, which is different from separating
them by gender, then you can't have biologically born men
playing against biologically born women. You are then mixing the
sexes in these sports, and you're then awarding a competitive
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advantage to those Why is it you don't see women
who transition to becoming men performing on the men's side.
Far too often we have men who have become transgender
going from male to female, then performing I should say,
competing on the female side, and invariably they have a
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competitive advantage. Imagine that, and they are then able to
compete at the highest levels.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Imagine that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Why because their sex has not changed and they still
get to keep all the competitive advantage that their sex
has given them. I would have had more respect, and
I mean this seriously, I would have had more respect
if the transgender woman would have stayed and competed in
the same sex that she was originally against the male golfers,
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because competitively speaking, it's still a level playing field. Because sports.
At its foundation, it's about equal competition, all things being equal.
Who is the most talented, the most able, the most
successful at that sport at its foundation, And the moment
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you give yourself a competitive advantage, you don't have fair competition.
I can't in good conscience say well, it's okay if
you want to be transgender and also compete in your
new gender sport where you know going in you will
have a competitive advantage. I don't care if it's swimming.
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I don't care if it's golf. I don't care if
it's boxing. I don't care if it's mma. And we've
had examples of all of those sports where you've had
someone transgender, a transgender woman who is someone who's born
biologically male, competing against biologically female women.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And you can't have that.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
As long as you're talking about fair competition, it's not
a difficult conversation, and you can have it without being
disrespectful to transgender people. You just have to be honest
enough to be able to call it for what it is.
We're talking about sports, we're not talking about moving through society,
two different things. If you wish to live your life
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as the opposite gender by all means live your truth,
but when it comes to competition, that's a different discussion.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
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Speaker 2 (27:06):
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can find Later with Mo Kelly. And before we close
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out the show tonight, I want to tell you the
latest in relation to Roman Polanski, the famous film director.
He's ninety one years old now and believe it or not,
he no longer faces a trial over this alleged sexual
assault on a minor back in nineteen seventy three because
a settlement was reached today. If you don't know the history,
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Pulanski fled the US decades ago after admitting to the
statutory rape of a thirteen year old in a plea
bargain back in nineteen seventy seven, about forty seven years ago.
Pulaski did serve forty two days in jail, then fled
the country when it appeared a judge was reconsidering his release.
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The latest was that Pulanski had been A latest case
against Polanski had been filed last year and was due
in a civil court in here In La in August
of twenty twenty five, but has been withdrawn because of
this settlement. And I've long known of this story. It's
usually been referred to for any number of reasons. As
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we talked about the evolution of the meat too movement
and what has happened in the entertainment industry, specifically in
the film industry. Before anyone knew Harvey Weinstein's name, before
or there were any allegations of Kevin Spacey Roman, Polanski was,
I would say, the biggest name where people would point
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to as far as someone who managed to evade justice. Now, Mark,
you have known this story, You've probably covered it. You
are a centophile, so you've known about it. How do
you think the perception of Polanski in this case has
evawled over the decades.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Well, okay, so the original girl that he was alleged
to have raped was a thirteen year old. This is
a different girl who was apparently sixteen when this happened.
So it's easy to get these cases confused. Two separate
things here, And you had mentioned the he had a
plea deal in place, and it's my understanding that he
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had agreed to the plea deal and then it was
changed on him and that's when he fled, and I
would have to I haven't been into this in a while,
but by the way, the book that I mentioned earlier,
I can tell you it's called Chaos, Charles Manson the
CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties, and that
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and The Easy Writers and Raging Bulls and a lot
of books that covered that period touch on this. Because
he knew everybody in Hollywood at the time. He knew
you know, Nicholson and that whole group of new Hollywood filmmakers.
So this was a seismic deal that happened back in
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the early seventies.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Do you think though, he would be welcomed by Hollywood
at this point, given the time that we live in.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
There's always been things like that in Hollywood that are polarizing,
whether it's Elia Kazan writing people out that, you know,
some people wouldn't give him a standing ovation, other people
would work with him in a heartbeat. Same with Polanski.
I didn't realize he was ninety one. I mean, I
guess I should have put the numbers together because he
he's a Holocaust survivor, and I think, you know, you
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want to show some grace in some situations where there's nuance,
and he had just been through the horrific murder of
his wife an unborn child right before all this stuff happened.
But there's no way you can defend what he's alleged.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
To have done.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
No, not defend, but I wonder if Hollywood, the industry,
the Academy would welcome him home in some way, or
at least not further ban him. I don't know was
he even officially banned. Well, he fled no no, But
I'm saying, like in the way that Will Smith was
not allowed to attend an Academy awards.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I don't think that was done with Roman Polanski. I
don't think so either. But you know as well as
I do, how craven people are when it comes to well, okay,
here's another example, Woody Allen. Now the jury is still
one hundred percent out on allegations against him. Wherever you
fall on that depends on what you read. That's your business.
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But there are people who, as a matter of principle,
won't work with him, and there are people who absolutely,
one hundred percent would do anything he asked.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Them to do. That's just the way Hollywood's always been.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't
know if that makes our point or hurts it. As
far as you know, I have to look at this
through the lens of I don't know if this deal
happens without what has been going on with the me
too movement.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
You and I are in a business where you have
to be friendly with people who you vehemently disagree with
on a lot of stuff, because it's not a real
big industry, right and so if you alienate everybody, nobody
wants to work with you. I'm also in comics. It's
the same in comics. If you have a reputation as
a jerk, you know you can be on time, you
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can make your deadlines, and you can do good work.
But if people don't want to work with you, you're
not going to work. So I think they're all very
similar in that respect. I think it's actually smaller than that.
You don't don't have to alienate a lot of people.
You can just alienate the right one person. Oh that's
true too, and and your name will be mud after
that point. I mean, there are just certain ununderstood rules,
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unstated laws in this business where if you make too
much noise and just being honest, it's not that you
would be banned. It's not like you would be blackball,
but people would be reticent to work with you because
they don't want any blowback from anyone else that they
may be friends with or have relationships with. Sure, we
all have our own ethical lines, I mean without mentioning
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specific names. And you and I do different things. By
the way, you have mentioned to me that you're friendly
and have done interviews and guest shots with people who
you know I wouldn't talk to or break bread with, right,
But you have your reasons for doing that, and I
don't judge you for that.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But I mean, it's all an individual choice.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, And I said long ago, to work in entertainment,
you will have to ask yourself where that line is
going to be. There are people that I will I
have interviewed that I will never interview again because they
have done X, Y or Z since that time, and
I can't in good conscience, open the studio back up
to that person.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I think I'm a little more severe than most people,
you know. I remember I did a profile of a
pretty well known talk show host and I'm not going
to say his name because I just don't want the headache.
But it was a fairly combative piece because I found
the things that he said to be morally repugnant. But
he had a good time in the interview, and he
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had somebody invite me over to his house for Sunday
dinner after the interview ran, and I said, nah, tell
him my plan to have a hangover that day.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Okay, Yeah, I completely understand that there are people and
I get pushback from friends and families like why did
you have so and so on, Why did you give
that person a platform? Why are you platforming ignorance or
or whatever their issue is with that person. I said, Well, one,
I interview newsmakers, and if someone is a newsmaker, more
times than not, I'm going to air on the side
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of it is a news issue and item, and that
person is notable and it's worthy of discussion. And there's
some people say I don't think that person is credible,
regardless of whether they're in the news or not.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I won't interview that person.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I can give names, but I think that kind of
distracts from the point here that we all have to
make these ongoing discussions and decisions about who we will
and will not engage. And going back to Polanski, people
are going to have to make those same decisions in
a very near future because if the cases are closed,
then he may come sniffing back around Hollywood.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Well, if he's ninety one years old. I don't think
we're gonna have to worry about that indefinitely. But I
mean it's one of those what would you do situations?
Would you mow work with Polanski? Knowing what you know?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Since I am a person who interviews newsmakers, Yes, I
would interview him because I would want to hear his
side of the story because it is now a news item.
But beyond that, I wouldn't talk to him.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
That makes sense. That's a fair answer. The judges will
accept that answer, Thank you, sir.
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Mo.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
You were talking about Denny's and I'm going to attempt
to do an accurate callback.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yes, I'm still hungry. Now, thanks for bringing it up again.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Let's let's let's go a little bit further into it.
Have you ever used a delivery app to order from
Denny's or any sort of overnight type diner.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yes, to get food? Oh, yes, many times. So you
know what a delivery app is.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
You have your Uber Eats, DoorDash, you have your Postmates,
grub Ub, all of these really popular delivery apps that
allow you the convenience of ordering food. Well, that's not
the issue, okay. Convenience is something that people want. However,
if you decide to order food, you might go viral
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for the wrong reason, such as this unknown customer did
when a photo of their food on their porch their
doorstep rather their doorstep, went viral.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Because in New York. This food sat.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Out for an hour, hour and a half, is what
the photographer said. And while the photographer was there, they
saw a large rat, another call back to an earlier story,
a large rat inspecting the meal. The meal was a
Chick fil A bag a soda, and there was a
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rat kind of rummaging through the food as it's sat
there waiting for the customer to retrieve it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They got Chick fil A in New York. Didn't know
they have Chick fil A in New York.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
The reason that this story is a part of the
viral load is because of how popular these delivery apps are.
And often when you get your food, you might not
necessarily retrieve it immediately. Perhaps you're doing something else, Perhaps
the food or the groceries have beaten you to the
destination or your workplace, whatever it might be. If it
sits out, you are making it susceptible to rats, other
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animals that iua, coyotes, squirrels, whatever, people, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And this is a.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Cautionary tale that is going viral that if you order
get your food right away, don't let it sit out,
and definitely don't let it sit out in one of
the ten worst places for rats in the country.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
You wouldn't think that you'd have to I should say
you would think that you would. You wouldn't have to
say this. You would think it's common sense. You wouldn't
watch your food just sitting out in either the elements
or susceptible to someone tampering with it, getting cold, whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I think people take that knowledge or that common sense
for granted. There's some sort of invisible barrier of reasoning
that goes into play when these delivery apps are utilized.
We think that, yes, the food is going to come,
it's going to be packaged, fine, no one, like you said,
will have tampered with it. But studies show that, unfortunately,
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all of that does happen, whether human tampering or the
tampering from a rodent like in this particular photo, and
you can look it up online.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's all over social media.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Look up the Chick fil A Chick fil A meal
rat inspecting Chick fil A mill.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
What's up with these New York rats getting all these
prime meals from pizza to Chick fil a.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
They're eating, well, have you seen New York a whole
other specimen into themselves. Second story is equally, if not
more so, as disgusting, and Claudine spoke about this time
of year kind of being a lull for people when
it comes to gym activity. Well, if you should find
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yourself in a public gym, Weather twenty four hour Fitness,
La Fitness Crunch, name your Jim du Joor, you'll have
to Planet Fitness as well. Mo, you'll be saden to
know that consumer research group fit rate it conduct it
and investigation into gim cleanliness.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And what did they find.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Well, they found that GEM equipment harbor's significant bacteria.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, make sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
During COVID, if you use gym equipment, you saw a
pallethora of disinfectant items there, whether spray's or so that
you could make sure that you were keeping that area clean. However,
not only does GEM equipment harbor significant bacteria, but the
study found that free weights, so your hand weights, your
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five pound what are they called barbells or whatever they
may be, dumbells, dumbells, barbells, whatever the case. What I
go to the gym, I promised they contain three hundred
and sixty two times more bacteria than a toilet seat.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
That sounds strange, but intellectually, I can understand that, if
only because there are more people coming into physical contact
with those barbells each and every day, as opposed to
booties on toilet seats, which is clean thoroughly, presumably at
least once a day.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't think the weights are clean consistently, and that's.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
What I guess fit Rated and others have been finding that.
We think, again, we take for granted the cleanliness of
these public spaces. You might not, but I know I
have in my gym usage, just thought, hey, pick up
a dumbbell and use it without necessarily wiping it down.
That was pre COVID. COVID kind of primed me for
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disinfecting things. But prior to that, and even since I
was lax and a lot of people are. Not only
the dumbbells of free weights, but exercise bikes were said
to have thirty nine times more bacteria than a reusable
canteen tray.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I wonder what jim showers their level of bacteria. Oh shudder,
you know, don't ever walk in there without shower shoes.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
The things I've heard in gym showers, the snot rockets
being blown ur urination, the other things.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That we can the stuff front air.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It has a co ed shower at that But despite
these findings, health experts do know that the risk of
infection by catching something from one of these public items
is low.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Whatever can't be both. It can't be high bacteria and
low infection. Well, that's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I know, when you go back to your gym wherever
you might go, mo, will you be disinfecting the weights
before you use them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I don't usually go to a gym for that reason,
and I'm trying to get over all that before i
go to like to Iconics and go to one of
Claudine's classes. But I've never ever showered at a fitness
place for that reason. And I'm really really skittish about
any of the facilities. Like I've never gone into pool,
never used a shower or the sauna.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Things you see.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, I come in or back in the day, I
would come in, I do my work, and I get out.
I'm not trying to do anything which has to do
with hygiene there new.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
The thing that scares me is when you have these
sorts of studies about cleanliness, it makes you paranoid. It
makes you think of other places that are commonly used,
common spaces.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm looking around the studio at micro you can't talk
about that.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Radio and just it's very difficult to work in radio
as a germophobe. Yeah, and we know some I'm just
saying you if you have to get over that real quick.
Here shared buttons in computers and microphones and table surfaces everything.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yes, headphones, headphones, door knobs, all of the things. We
have time for one more quick story. Should we wait?
Let's wait all right, because I know there's going to
be a little bit more to this story.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it has to do with Milli Vanilli. That's the
tea Bubba Bay.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But baby, you think this generation remembers.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, that's what the story has to do. That'll be
the teas. Then. Yeah, there you go. It's the viral Load,
Part one.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
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Hobbs kfim O Kelly Tiffany Hobbs live Everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app Let's continue with the viral load back.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Thirty five years ago, Milli Vanilly, famed but disgraced pop
group from Germany hit the scene. They had three very
popular songs that charted one even winning a Grammy. They
were the biggest act at the time until controversy basically
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took them down.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And what was the controversy They weren't singing any of
the music. They weren't singing any of the music. I
remember that well, I was working in the industry.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, you I think that that story would kind of
live and die thirty five years ago. We know about
it if you live during that time, but it's talked
about kind of tongue in cheek and made fun of.
Their music isn't popular today, nor is it relevant. You'd
be hard pressed to find it on the radio. Of course.
Well that has changed because with the popularity of the
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new Netflix series Monsters, which chronicles the Eric and Lyle
Menindez story, and with all of the interest in their
story as it is unfolding today, with the reformatting of
their case, the possible resentencing the interest in it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Milli Vanilli is back on the scene.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Why what's the connection between Milli Vanilli and Eric and
Lyle Menindez. Well, thirty five years ago, when they were
on trial, the boys, the young men, it was said,
it was noted that they were huge fans of Milli Vanilli,
that they often listen to their songs, that they would
sing their songs when they were together. It became a
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big part of the case and that has been reintroduced
in Monsters, the Netflix story about Eric and Lyle Menindez
where in multiple scenes throughout the series they are singing
and playing Milli Vanilli's three biggest hits. That then exposes
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Millie Vanilli's music to a new audience. And that is
exactly what's happening and what has gone viral. Milli Vanilli
is now part of the current public lexicon because they
are charting on Billboard's tik.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Tok Bilboard TikTok music chart.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Can you believe it? That's what surprised the most.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I didn't know that no Billboard has its own TikTok
chart where Milli Vanilli's three top songs.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Blame it on the Rain. What are the other two?
It's true ooh ooh ooh, I love you.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
And then the other one, which is kind of the
girl I'm Gonna miss you. That's the one girl I'm
gonna miss you. All three of those songs have charted
on billboards TikTok charts. They are hyper popular, and Twala
can even speak to the virility of what's going.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
On with Millie.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Now I get where my fourteen year old daughter got
it from, because she was talking about watching the Monster
docu saries whatever on on Netflix Netflix, and she has
NonStop for the past two weeks, had Milli Vanilli interer
it and this group is brand new to her. She
swears to me that this group has invented music. They
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are daddy, have you heard have you ever heard of them?
Oh my god, Daddy, you're telling me that you had
music like this when your I thought all the music
that you had was hip hop and all that. This
music is phenomenal. She loves Billy Vanilli blaming on the Rain.
It is non stopping. Her head lives in her head
rent free.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
She is fourteen. Yes, this is completely new to her.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
She's downloaded the damn song. Wait does she know the
history of the group, and I told her about that.
She said, yes, Daddy, I know, I know how to
research and look up. You know, I know that they
wasn't actually singing, But that doesn't deny the fact that
these songs are hits.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
They are hits, then they're hits now.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Wow. Doesn't matter to her that they weren't singing. It
just matters what they came out with, what was released.
She loves, she's obsessed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
She thought they were flying. I'm like, kid, did.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
She hear how everything turned out? How one killed himselves?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yes, she knows because I laughed about that and I
said their wagness was so bad it drove one of
them to their death. And she said, Daddy, you are
not funny at all. You are wrong. You're gonna pay for.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But that's part of the true story, because the ridicule
was so much, because for those who don't know, they
tried to go legit after that, as a group and
then as solo artists received varying levels of success and ridicule,
and one fab more Van was to the point where
he took his own life accommodation of other things.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
But still, I mean the drugs definitely played a hardcore
role in that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It wasn't because he was being folded fab one of them.
It was, yeah, it was one of the light eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
And there was no social media then, so it wasn't
that he was being bullied online.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Because of your daughter and her generation and maybe even
younger and just that surrounding area or age group. Their's
streams Millie Vanilli's entire catalog. Their streams have increased one
hundred and fourteen percent since the release of Monsters. So
the remaining Millie Vanilli, the remaining member.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Is if pop. I don't know what he what he owns.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
As far as stake in the music, but he might
be saying a bit of a payday.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Now whoever owns talk about the royalties, the songwriter royalties
of publishing. Those people will get paid milivan nearly. This
is a perfect example. They didn't write the songs, They
didn't even really perform the songs. I don't think they
have any connection to the royalties because they didn't perform them.
They weren't a part of the recording master, they didn't
lend their voices, so they have no legal claim to
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any of it.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Wow, So you're just watching yourself essentially blow up again,
have fame again.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But there's nothing you can do to really capitalize on it,
to get one cent of that.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
But they only got performing royalties and that's when they performed.
And I believe that they had to share that with
the actual singers of the soul.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We have to, yeah, because all they were doing the
master Yeah, they were just yeah, they're basically backup dancers.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There you go, or they're not going anyway anytime soon
as the series is very popular. So that's that one.
Two more stories really quick. There's a ghost trend on TikTok.
You know that old school costume Halloween costume with white sheet,
poke holes or cut holes in it for your eyes.
Put some sunglasses on the cross, right, ha ha ha
A a little less sordid.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Don't you dare laugh at my jokes and not give
me a rim shot? Stephan, thank you, now proceed.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Not that costume, the more sanitized costume.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
G rate it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Ghost, a very bootleg ghost costume. Well, it is simple
and it is back. It comes back every year. It's
back this year. It's Halloween time, spooky season. And not
only are people wearing that costume, the white sheets. If
you see your white sheets disappearing, check and see what's
going on. They might be creating costumes or other costumes.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You have white sheets.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We don't keep white I don't keep white sheets, but
apparently someone does and they're contributing to this resurgence in
the bootleg simplistic ghost costume, and it is viral because
people are using this costume to put on elaborate photo
shoots with kind of mood lighting and that foggy, vintage
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kind of feel to the photos, and it's all a
part of the ghost aesthetic. It is called the ghost trend.
And they pair these photos with a song called Oh Klahoma.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Like the musical, not the musical, it's something else.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Separate word like the exclamation of oh, and then Klahoma
is a separate word. But there's something about that pairing
the entire imagery that has gone viral and it is everywhere.
So if you see that ghost costume, that's why people
are probably going to be wanting to create content videos.
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The last story has to do with Meta, who has
decided to take on sex stortion, the idea of extortion
by using sexual images or blackmail or revenge porn type
stuff Meta has released five steps for individuals facing online
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sextortion on social media, Facebook, Instagram, whatever it may be.
Number one, Meta says take control, stop responding, and do
not pay if someone tries to extort you for images.
Number two, tell someone you trust like a close friend, teacher,
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or parent. Number three report and block, Report and block.
Meta says, tell on them. Let Meta know whatever the
social media app, that this is what's happening to you.
Report the profile and block them, do not engage. Number four,
submit a case with Take it Down. Take it Down
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is its own investigative app that aims to again combat
online bullying and sextortion. And then lastly, report manipulated or
AI generated content. So if you have content flow out
there around you that you did not participate in that
has been created by artificial intelligence or manipulated by it,
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report it so that it can be taken down. And
I brought this up because I've reported profiles before that
I've seen and Meta won't take anything.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're reporting. It takes for
everyone to get back to you. So if they do
have AI revenge porn images, you may not hear from
them for a month.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And when you do, you'll likely get the response that I've.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Gotten, which violate our community.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I've seen people doing things that are completely inappropriate, reported
them and they told me there was nothing wrong. But
it's viral. It's the viral load. That's the viral load.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And hundreds of female golfers have complained about the participation
of Scottish born transgender player Haley Davidson in the penultimate
a stage of the LPGA Tours qualifying competition, where you
can get on the tour if you get a certain score.
Davidson is thirty one years old and originally from I
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think it's pronounced Airshire, but now based in Florida, and
has said that her intention is to quote make Scotland
proud close quote by earning a tour card on the
women's premiere circuit.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh it's airshre airsure, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
She progressed through August's first stage of Q school and
Q School's the school for qualifying for your tour card.
But the former player was a US male college team
member and was also accused by changing genders of acting
unfairly what this is not difficult. I know this is
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an ongoing debate, and I know emotions can run high.
But aside from this particular instance of a transgender woman
playing with biologically, I guess they call it a mutable
sex women. This is real simple. There's sex and there's gender.
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Sex is how you were born, the science of it all,
the biology of it all. Gender is our societal construct of
how we present ourselves, how we group ourselves. But that
is different from how you were born biologically, chromosomes, what
have you. When you are on a competitive field, first
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and foremost, it's about making sure that competitive field is level,
so level playing field, level competition. The whole reason of
dividing the sexes, which is different from dividing the genders,
dividing the sexes was to ensure that there was a
level competitive playing field. There is a reason why in
(22:05):
boxing you have different weight classes because the strength matters.
There is a reason why we have an NBA and
a WNBA. And this is not about one sex being
superior to another. It's about one sex being physically stronger
than another. And when you're talking about sports, you're talking
about strength.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You are talking about.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Physical and physiological differences which have to do with sex,
and they are competitive advantages when you're talking about sports,
which is separated by gender.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Anything against someone being transgender. How you wish to live
your life is how you wish to live your life.
But in being transgender, you've made a decision to present
yourself as a different gender than what you would have
become if it were if you were to stay with
(23:04):
your biological sex. If that makes any sense, and if
my terminology is a little clunky, excuse me, but you
know where I'm going with this. You've made a decision
to change how you present yourself in the societal construct
of gender. But your immutable sex, your chromosomes, the physiology
(23:24):
has not changed. If I tomorrow decided for whatever reason
or no, I'm not saying this to mock anyone, But
if I tomorrow decided to present myself as a woman
and live my life as a woman, I am doing
so under the societal construct of gender and how we
perceive the roles and the clothing styles and the attributes
(23:48):
of a woman.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But my sex has not changed.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
The amount of testosterone that my body is producing has
not changed. With exception of meat taking drugs to somehow
impact that my physiology has not changed, my hormones have
not changed. This is something which is not all that
difficult to solve. As long as we are going to
(24:12):
separate our sports by sex, which is different from separating
them by gender, then you can't have biologically born men
playing against biologically born women. You are then mixing the
sexes in these sports, and you're then awarding a competitive
(24:34):
advantage to those Why is it you don't see women
who transition to becoming men performing on the men's side.
Far too often we have men who have become transgender
going from male to female, then performing I should say,
competing on the female side, and invariably they have a
(24:58):
competitive advantage. Imagine that, and they are then able to
compete at the highest levels.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Imagine that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Why because their sex has not changed and they still
get to keep all the competitive advantage that their sex
has given them. I would have had more respect, and
I mean this seriously, I would have had more respect
if the transgender woman would have stayed and competed in
the same sex that she was originally against the male golfers,
(25:30):
because competitively speaking, it's still a level playing field. Because sports.
At its foundation, it's about equal competition, all things being equal.
Who is the most talented, the most able, the most
successful at that sport at its foundation, And the moment
(25:53):
you give yourself a competitive advantage, you don't have fair competition.
I can't in good conscience say well, it's okay if
you want to be transgender and also compete in your
new gender sport where you know going in you will
have a competitive advantage. I don't care if it's swimming.
(26:13):
I don't care if it's golf. I don't care if
it's boxing. I don't care if it's mma. And we've
had examples of all of those sports where you've had
someone transgender, a transgender woman who is someone who's born
biologically male, competing against biologically female women.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And you can't have that.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
As long as you're talking about fair competition, it's not
a difficult conversation, and you can have it without being
disrespectful to transgender people. You just have to be honest
enough to be able to call it for what it is.
We're talking about sports, we're not talking about moving through society,
two different things. If you wish to live your life
(26:53):
as the opposite gender by all means live your truth,
but when it comes to competition, that's a different discussion.
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out the show tonight, I want to tell you the
latest in relation to Roman Polanski, the famous film director.
He's ninety one years old now and believe it or not,
he no longer faces a trial over this alleged sexual
assault on a minor back in nineteen seventy three because
a settlement was reached today. If you don't know the history,
(28:04):
Pulanski fled the US decades ago after admitting to the
statutory rape of a thirteen year old in a plea
bargain back in nineteen seventy seven, about forty seven years ago.
Pulaski did serve forty two days in jail, then fled
the country when it appeared a judge was reconsidering his release.
(28:26):
The latest was that Pulanski had been A latest case
against Polanski had been filed last year and was due
in a civil court in here In La in August
of twenty twenty five, but has been withdrawn because of
this settlement. And I've long known of this story. It's
usually been referred to for any number of reasons. As
(28:47):
we talked about the evolution of the meat too movement
and what has happened in the entertainment industry, specifically in
the film industry. Before anyone knew Harvey Weinstein's name, before
or there were any allegations of Kevin Spacey Roman, Polanski was,
I would say, the biggest name where people would point
(29:07):
to as far as someone who managed to evade justice. Now, Mark,
you have known this story, You've probably covered it. You
are a centophile, so you've known about it. How do
you think the perception of Polanski in this case has
evawled over the decades.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Well, okay, so the original girl that he was alleged
to have raped was a thirteen year old. This is
a different girl who was apparently sixteen when this happened.
So it's easy to get these cases confused. Two separate
things here, And you had mentioned the he had a
plea deal in place, and it's my understanding that he
(29:48):
had agreed to the plea deal and then it was
changed on him and that's when he fled, and I
would have to I haven't been into this in a while,
but by the way, the book that I mentioned earlier,
I can tell you it's called Chaos, Charles Manson the
CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties, and that
(30:09):
and The Easy Writers and Raging Bulls and a lot
of books that covered that period touch on this. Because
he knew everybody in Hollywood at the time. He knew
you know, Nicholson and that whole group of new Hollywood filmmakers.
So this was a seismic deal that happened back in
(30:30):
the early seventies.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Do you think though, he would be welcomed by Hollywood
at this point, given the time that we live in.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
There's always been things like that in Hollywood that are polarizing,
whether it's Elia Kazan writing people out that, you know,
some people wouldn't give him a standing ovation, other people
would work with him in a heartbeat. Same with Polanski.
I didn't realize he was ninety one. I mean, I
guess I should have put the numbers together because he
he's a Holocaust survivor, and I think, you know, you
(31:05):
want to show some grace in some situations where there's nuance,
and he had just been through the horrific murder of
his wife an unborn child right before all this stuff happened.
But there's no way you can defend what he's alleged.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
To have done.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
No, not defend, but I wonder if Hollywood, the industry,
the Academy would welcome him home in some way, or
at least not further ban him. I don't know was
he even officially banned. Well, he fled no no, But
I'm saying, like in the way that Will Smith was
not allowed to attend an Academy awards.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I don't think that was done with Roman Polanski. I
don't think so either. But you know as well as
I do, how craven people are when it comes to well, okay,
here's another example, Woody Allen. Now the jury is still
one hundred percent out on allegations against him. Wherever you
fall on that depends on what you read. That's your business.
(32:04):
But there are people who, as a matter of principle,
won't work with him, and there are people who absolutely,
one hundred percent would do anything he asked.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Them to do. That's just the way Hollywood's always been.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't
know if that makes our point or hurts it. As
far as you know, I have to look at this
through the lens of I don't know if this deal
happens without what has been going on with the me
too movement.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
You and I are in a business where you have
to be friendly with people who you vehemently disagree with
on a lot of stuff, because it's not a real
big industry, right and so if you alienate everybody, nobody
wants to work with you. I'm also in comics. It's
the same in comics. If you have a reputation as
a jerk, you know you can be on time, you
(32:51):
can make your deadlines, and you can do good work.
But if people don't want to work with you, you're
not going to work. So I think they're all very
similar in that respect. I think it's actually smaller than that.
You don't don't have to alienate a lot of people.
You can just alienate the right one person. Oh that's
true too, and and your name will be mud after
that point. I mean, there are just certain ununderstood rules,
(33:12):
unstated laws in this business where if you make too
much noise and just being honest, it's not that you
would be banned. It's not like you would be blackball,
but people would be reticent to work with you because
they don't want any blowback from anyone else that they
may be friends with or have relationships with. Sure, we
all have our own ethical lines, I mean without mentioning
(33:35):
specific names. And you and I do different things. By
the way, you have mentioned to me that you're friendly
and have done interviews and guest shots with people who
you know I wouldn't talk to or break bread with, right,
But you have your reasons for doing that, and I
don't judge you for that.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But I mean, it's all an individual choice.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, And I said long ago, to work in entertainment,
you will have to ask yourself where that line is
going to be. There are people that I will I
have interviewed that I will never interview again because they
have done X, Y or Z since that time, and
I can't in good conscience, open the studio back up
to that person.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I think I'm a little more severe than most people,
you know. I remember I did a profile of a
pretty well known talk show host and I'm not going
to say his name because I just don't want the headache.
But it was a fairly combative piece because I found
the things that he said to be morally repugnant. But
he had a good time in the interview, and he
(34:38):
had somebody invite me over to his house for Sunday
dinner after the interview ran, and I said, nah, tell
him my plan to have a hangover that day.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Okay, Yeah, I completely understand that there are people and
I get pushback from friends and families like why did
you have so and so on, Why did you give
that person a platform? Why are you platforming ignorance or
or whatever their issue is with that person. I said, Well, one,
I interview newsmakers, and if someone is a newsmaker, more
times than not, I'm going to air on the side
(35:07):
of it is a news issue and item, and that
person is notable and it's worthy of discussion. And there's
some people say I don't think that person is credible,
regardless of whether they're in the news or not.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I won't interview that person.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I can give names, but I think that kind of
distracts from the point here that we all have to
make these ongoing discussions and decisions about who we will
and will not engage. And going back to Polanski, people
are going to have to make those same decisions in
a very near future because if the cases are closed,
then he may come sniffing back around Hollywood.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Well, if he's ninety one years old. I don't think
we're gonna have to worry about that indefinitely. But I
mean it's one of those what would you do situations?
Would you mow work with Polanski? Knowing what you know?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Since I am a person who interviews newsmakers, Yes, I
would interview him because I would want to hear his
side of the story because it is now a news item.
But beyond that, I wouldn't talk to him.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
That makes sense. That's a fair answer. The judges will
accept that answer, Thank you, sir.
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