November 9, 2024 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on the 2025 Grammy Nominations with ‘The Fork Report’s Neil Saavedra, weighing in on Beyonce’s chances of winning the coveted “Album of the Year” award with her Country debut “Cowboy Carter” … PLUS – Mark Rahner has a review of the new Hugh Grant horror film “Heretic” in ‘The Rahner Report’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And the Grammy nominations for twenty twenty five were announced today.
There is only one story in a news sense, connected
to these Grammys.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, Taylor Swift got some nominations.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yes, there's all sorts of young talent which is going
to be featured in Younger people will love seeing. I
don't know who is the Chapel Roone, Chappelle Rowan. How
do you pronounce these young artist names anyhow? Well, I
think it's Chapel Roone, but I don't know. If you
heard my seven o'clock newscast, I couldn't. I couldn't pronounce
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any of the names.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm convinced that they were all just made up.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Charlie, Yeah, okay, it sounds like chaperone. They need to
learn how to themselves better.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It's a type of horse anyhow. The only story is Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Not that she has eleven nominations, No, that's not the story.
Not that she is the all time leader in nominations.
That's not the story. But I will say this, the
reason that she's the all time leader in nominations is
largely connected to the fact, but there are more categories now.
When I worked at the Grammy's you only had like
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one R and B category, Now like five. You know,
progressive R and B R and B album, you know
rap album with R and B flavor, some stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's just they have a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Bunch of categories, far more than when I was working there.
There are more opportunities for Beyonce to be nominated. The
only story is if she were to win Album of
the Year, not if she were to lose, because she's
always lost Album of the year. She's never one Album
of the year. We talked about this last year right
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about this time, and we said that Beyonce and her
husband Jay Z have said very publicly how they want
Beyonce to win Album of the Year. And when she
dropped this country album, it was clear, Oh, she's going
for Album of the year. She's trying to appeal to
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a music buying bass, which is very different from either
hip hop or R and B. And yes, it received
a lot of radio airplay on country stations, and we
told you how that was. It was not organic, but
that's just the business. We told you how she was
not snubbed by the CMAS, but how that process works.
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She did not get any CMA nominations or awards. But ultimately,
this was always about the Grammys from day one. This
was about positioning herself to best have a chance at
winning that elusive Album of the Year.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Here's something else you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Should notice when she won, excuse me, when she garnered
eleven different nominations. If you know how the Grammy process works, Yes,
it's industry professionals voting for industry professionals, but it's almost
like a club where you have these clicks inside of
the Grammys, people who are either associates of Beyonce professionally
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or the people who work at Beyonce's record label, people
who qualify to be members, and they vote for Beyonce
across the board. Just because she could come out with
Mary had a little Lamb a cappella, they would vote
that as well.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So this is a year that Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Clearly, clearly has marshaled her troops, got everyone together, and
they have a cohesive plan to get Beyonce Album of
the Year.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That is the only story for these Grammys.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Do you think even with all this, because there's a
lot of stiff competition do you think that she can
get Album of the Year in the same year where
you have so many pop acts you're going for album
of the Year because Album of the Year typically goes
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to pop artists.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That's right, and I'll tell you why this is. Put
it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
If it's not going to be this year, it will
never be a year. If you look at who else
is in the category. New Blue Sun, which is an
album by Andree three thousand, one of the members of Outcasts.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's a flute album. There's no way that that's gonna win.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Andree three thousand does not even have the profile within
the Grammys that Beyonce does, so he's not winning. They're
Short and Sweet by Sabrina Carpenter. That's a banger. That's
the bad songs on the radio all day long, right.
Brat by Charlie XCX. That is competition. That's competition. But
outside of that, Jesse Volume four by Jacob Callier whatever,
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never Heard, No not winning, hit Me Hard and Soft.
Billie Eilish, No, it's not Billy's year, not bill Ye bill,
I can see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're only
talking about one of three that is winnable. That's doable.
Sabrina Carpenter had a huge will year, as did Charlie XCX.
(05:32):
This is her last best chance. When I say last
best chance, Beyonce is what forty two.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Easily she's aging out of the album of the year demographic.
This is probably her last chance. And you and I
were talking about this off air, Twala. It's not her
best music, not even by long shot.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Look, I'm not trying to get the be Hive a buzzin,
but I listen to it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I listened to it. The Hive f the Hive.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Mo Kelly said, Sharp said that, mo Kelly said that.
I listened to it. And unfortunately, Look, this is no
slight against her. There is no denying her talent. She
is stellar when it comes to singing, performing all that.
She's the total package. But this to me, in listening
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and trying to give it a chance and say, let
me listen this, I want to hear what this has,
I did not hear anything that I thought was stellar. Conversely,
when Kanye West dropped his gospel album and a lot
of people are like the hell is going on here?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I listened to that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
All the controversy that Kanye West kicks up, and I
was like, Wow, there are some really sincere solid records
on this album. May not have been, but there's some
stuff that I'm like, I like this and I don't
have anything against country. I like a hit. I like
a hit record, and that was your damn job to
identify hit. That's but I did, and I did not
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hear anything that I said wasn't out the box hit.
There just wasn't, in my professional opinion, someone who was
to sit and listen to this stuff and try to
say this is an outright banger, let's go with it. No,
I get the marketing machine that went behind uh, Texas
hold Him. I get all that. I understand why you
would think. It's just that wasn't out of control hit. No,
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it wasn't out of control marketing machine.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, we might have to change some of our show
tonight because FOK reporter Neil Savedra just hit me and
he said that as in Texas hold Him. I assume
he's referring to that is a great song, period. Neil Savedra,
(07:48):
You're wrong. And if I didn't like you as a person,
I call you a bunch of names.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's Lucky. I love him. But Neil, you're known for food,
not music, right, Okay, if we were.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Talking about pizza pasta, that'd be different.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You would know something about that. You know something about
food music.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I think we need to reach out to Neil Savager
and see what the hell he's thinking about. But I
will say this, I listened to that whole country album,
and I'm not putting in quotation marks. I think it
qualified as a country album. But there was nothing special
about that album top to bottom. For me, it was
a novelty record. And if you take Beyonce's name off
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of it and put any other country artist's name on it,
no one would have given it a second listen all right?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I got an idea new segment starting next week called
ask a Cracker.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We mean like Ritz s a teen? Nah? No, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't know if you knew this, but during grad
school I spent some time as a bartender and a
great big country nightclub where I had to wear a
denim shirt and a string tie.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You're adding now another job to history.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah it was. It was priceless. I wouldn't trade it
for anything. I can tell you as a connoisseur of
this awful country music that compared to the stuff we
had to listen to. It's not bad. No, no one's
saying it's bad. It's fine. It's not album of the
year worthy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The body of work of that country album is for me,
nothing special.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
But you know, this is the same conversation that you
just had and may not realize about the legacy admissions
to the schools.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
None of this is about merit, Okay, But all.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm saying is one the legacy school admissions. What we
were talking about not in the legacy but the stuff
that the donations. Right, that's fraud. Okay, that's one thing. Okay, yeah,
make that distinct. But it's all about money. Always follow
the advice of Deep Throat in the Parking Garage. Follow
the money that was dark.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But no, yes, it is all about money.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But I can authoritatively speak on it from a musicology standpoint,
and I can use other albums of the year as
a reference point and comparison point. This album on its
own is nothing special. Historically, you usually could point to
two or three songs that stood out either on radio
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or within sales, that were stellar.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Steller and I can tell you this because Kiss FM, right,
upstairs that was playing Beyonce's record out of Control righteously
so because there was a lot of hype behind it
and there are a lot of requests for it and
things like that. Beyonce's music has almost all but faded
on Kiss and the music you hear most on Kiss
(10:52):
the number one pop station in the country is Chapel Rowan,
and you hear the other little Girl that Charlie, Charlie
and another one Charlie and Cracker.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I mean, look, if you want to put yourself out,
I'm with Mark Runner, I'm with him. I do not
condone the use of such turn withdraw with language. We
gotta go to break.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
We'll see if we can hunt down Nils of Vagre
so he can tell us why he's wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In just a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
kf I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Last sep we were talking about the Grammys and I said,
there's only one story. It's Beyonce and whether she wins
Album of the Year. I don't think that this album,
this country album, is all that great. I think her
Lemonade album is something that I listened to rather. You
know now, and then not frequently. But I think it's
much better musically than this country album. It's a fine
(11:55):
whatever country entry. I just don't think it's special. With
the exception of the name of the artist on the project, Beyonce,
Nil Savadra, who knows a lot about food and nothing
about black people or music, wants to come on now
and tell me how I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Hi, Neil, nothing about what? Yeah, well, go to Compton.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Who's there?
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Your shade or mine? Oh, it's your shade. That's why
I don't go to Compton anymore. No, I know nothing
about music. I really don't. It's not my jam. But
I do like old school country, the older school you know,
the stuff that is, you know, rebellious and has attitude
to it. But how can you say that Texas Hold
(12:49):
Them isn't a great song unto itself, I'm not talking
about the album, Okay, put it this way, Chase the
b song has a great hook, it's super catchy, and
it's it's fun to listen too. And I'm not a
huge Beyonce fan or anything. I appreciate her talent and
her abilities. I just don't think they make them like
they used to, and they sing most musicians sound like
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machines factories.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Now I'll give I like her take on the country genre.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Texas Hold Him has a heavy beat bassline. You can't
argue with her bon a few days being from Texas.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't begrudge what she did, and I don't question
her sincerity in doing this or even knowledge of the genre.
I'm just saying I wasn't moved by Jolene. What we
just heard is.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
No I think I think. I don't think that's a
great rendition of Jolene. But it was to me that
Texas Hold Him is a good song.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But a good song by itself does not wait too
album of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Is he just tag team wallet in.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You you knocked at the door just two minutes, you
jumped into the ring in the middle.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Of chext it.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
It's a good song, the good song does not make
for a good album, nor does it make for hour think.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
About the album.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's what we're talking about, talking about album of the year. Well,
we're not talking it's not up for record.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I mean, there's so much violence in Inglewood, you two.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
I lived just outside of Inglewood, not outside enough. That's
why your ass has never been to my house. Oh yeah, no,
that's not true. My ass has been the rest of
me that doesn't want to come.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You were invited, you just decided not to show up. No,
you know why, Well that's for you to say, not
for me to say. Yeah, I'm afraid of black people.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Look, there's no excuse, uh this fourth of July for
you to bring your ass on and crown me winter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Well, I know why Toula is mad because he thought
I was going to play favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Okay, I thought I thought be fair context context for people.
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Every Fourth of July, I do the Fourth of July
Show from Chateau Lem and we have an annual dessert
baking competition. Twala has always come in like second place
every single year, He's alleging. Shenanigan's FOURK reporter Neil Savagia
was supposed to be our honorary guest guest judge this year.
(15:26):
He bowed out at the last second because he, you know,
didn't want to come to the darker side of the city.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know, I don't know. I try to take
it personally. It just felt my house too. You don't
know how dark it is over here. No, actually, I have.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Just not not.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was just driving by.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
I'm missing some Amazon packages. That was me ring out, Hey,
that's Kelly, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All I'm saying is I've listened to at least parts
of every every single Beyonce album, and yes, award shows
routinely get the award wrong. Like you have a Denzel
Washington who win an Oscar for Training Day, but his
best work was like Malcolm X or Ruben Hurricane Carter.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I know how award shows never get it right.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But if you take the award out of it and
look at this body of work for what it is,
it's not impressive to me, and it's not impressive in
the larger discography of Beyonce. That's all I'm saying. It
seemed like a tool specifically engineered to win Album of
the Year. She couldn't do an R and B album
and win Album the Year. She's done that her whole
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career and can't win.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
So this clearly was to achieve that and to keep
her from going pop and really alienating her as right,
and again, this is coming from someone who here in
the city of Angels in southern California, proper is responsible
for breaking pretty much every single Deathty Child and Beyonce
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song that you know prior to Prior to two thousand
and eight, I had a big hand in helping select
those hit records. So when I listened to Beyonce and
I listen to music period, I'm not listening as a
just pure music kind of sour. I'm listening with those
programming ears, like, is there anything that stands out? Is
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there anything that I think outside of us playing it
in that programming repetition that will get audiences to grab
onto it and latch onto it. And unfortunately, her records
and researchers shown have a high burn. There is not
a lot of lasting appeal to this album. It was
hot out the gate and that's about it. But it's
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not something you're gonna go back to and listen to
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
In music terminology, it's not a recurrent. It's not something
that radio stations will continue to play because they know
their listenership appreciates the record. It's gone from the airwaves
for the most part, which says to me they put
a lot of money behind it to promote it, to
have radio stations play it, But the listeners really weren't
asking for it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
They're not looking for it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So as far as I'm concerned, it's a it's a
contrived success.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, why don't.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
We end on a positive note and something we can
agree on That Joker too was a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I was going to promote your appearance tomorrow, but since
you're trying to clown us with the whole Joker two thing.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
No, your buttons, I know your buttons, poke, poke poke?
Why you gotta say it so sensually? I don't know
those buttons. That's between you and your God. Oh yeah,
why you got to bring it into it?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I know your buttons, maybe the mo buttons. Okay, I'm
like really really uncomfortable right now? Are you all? Are
you super comfortable? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Hey, tell us real quick about your appearance small Oh
thanks man. Bill Handle and I are broadcasting live from
Wild Fork in Laguna, ne Gal and we're going to
be hanging out from two to five. We'll do the
Forkport live. We'll be grilling out there. It's if you
haven't been to a Wild Fork Foods location.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think we have.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Around ten or so, maybe a little bit more here
in the Southland, but they're great. They are great places.
We'll have Big Green Egg out there. We'll have some
folks grilling and including my buddy Wing Lamb from Wahoo's
Fish Tacos. We'll have Craig the Egg, Craig Fritz from
Big Green Egg out there grilling. It'll be a good time.
(19:47):
We're even giving away a Mini Max Big Green Egg.
I got to be present to win, and it'll it'll
just be fun. It's like just an opportunity to hang
out listeners, give some things away and talk about Thanksgiving
and grilling. All right, you're gonna save some food from
me always. All right, that's all I ask. I wish
(20:08):
you lived closer. That's a hall out, it's a hall. Oh,
it's a hall. It's a hall, a hall and a half.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, but I like you, you know, I considered it
for all of four minutes. I did. Mmm, Hey I
got a run. Yeah you're still wrong, But thank you
for coming on.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Ge last time I text you during the show, Hey,
I like that bumper music. Oh yeah, I want to
come on and have the crap knocked out.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
No no, no, you can't quit me. You know you love
me by Neil.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
All Right, you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on
demand from KFI.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
A M six.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Forty pontificates about pop culture, ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okaf, I am six forty. Now it's time for the
Mark Runner Report. I like the way you said that.
Tonight we're talking about Heretic. Remember back when Hugh Grant
was a big star and he got caught with a
hooker and it derailed his career and he had to
go on Jay Leno's show to be scolded, and Leno,
speaking as the conscience of America, asked him what he
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was thinking. Try to imagine that happening now, Okay, go ah, yeah, yeah,
that's that's that's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He'd be scolded for not making a video of it.
He might be offered a cabinet position. Okay, that's real life. Yeah,
you're right. Well, Hugh Grant's still a star. He pops
up in a lot of guy Ritchie stuff, and he
was a decent mister Waverley and that problematic man from
Uncle movie. And he's the main attraction in Heretic, which
(22:00):
is an uncomfortable and provocative little thriller. Here's a little
bit of the trailer.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Hi, good afternoon, ma'm are you interested in learning about
our savior, Jesus Price hid afternoon?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Are your name is Sister Barnes?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And oh my.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Gosh, are you interested in learning more about the Church
of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Come on it.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
We can't come in side and lets another woman is present.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
My wife is home. Does that come crazy? You like pie?
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I can tell that you are a very spiritually curious person.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it is good to be religious, to find
your faith in a doctrine. You actually believe.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Our work here is done.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I will go and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Check on the pot side.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
We're gonna skip a little head in the trailer here
because it's largely visual and this is radio.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
We just need to go home.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I won't keep you if you wish to leave, but
I want you to choose which door to go through
based on your faith.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
What does this have to do with us leaving everything studied?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
It will make your puts sleep faster, It may even
make you want to die.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And here's the basics. Two young Mormon women are out
trying to drum up business. I guess they don't call
it that, but you're familiar with it. They go to
homes and knock on doors and spread the word, trying
to make converts, and on a late blustery afternoon, they
wind up at you Grant's house. To be clear, they're
not prostitutes, just mormons. Grant's character is a charming older
guy who listens to their spiel, asks more and more
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provocative questions, and it becomes clear that he knows more
about their religion and religion in general than the two
young women do, and that they can can't leave. The
nice man proceeds to put the increasingly terrified girls through
an ordeal, and without revealing too much, I'll tell you
it involves asking them questions that test their religious beliefs,
then making choices, and their survival depends on the choices.
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It's a talking movie for sure, no explosions, no gunfights,
no car chases, but it's pretty intriguing talk and you
don't know where it's headed. The acting, including the girls,
holds your attention. It is fun to watch Hugh Grant
against type as a weirdo, and the vibes and atmosphere
of unease and read or effective, along with some filmmaking
that's skillful enough that you don't mind spending nearly all
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the movie in one place, his house. Some people might
argue the dialogue and get a little too much like
those tedious late night dorm talks that are fueled by
whatever you got in the room there. But I don't
think it ever quite crosses that line. And I have
a philosophy degree, so I know some bs talk when
I hear it. The writer directors are Scott beck and
Brian Woods from a Quiet Place sixty five. You remember
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that dinosaur movie Boogeyman, all entertaining stuff. If not in
instant classics, these guys haven't achieved the status of Hey,
the new Becken Woods movies up. But it might happen,
and it might come the day when you get tickets
as soon as you hear they've got something out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
This is a pretty good movie.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I like movies like this that combine a thriller with
kicking around some provocative observations about religion. And you know,
if the US is going to become more and more
of a theocracy, to the eternal horror of our founders,
the more of this kind of stuff the better. Also,
we shouldn't forget the main takeaway here. If you go
to someone's door to bug them about your religion or
anything else you really deserve. Whatever the hell happens to you,
(25:37):
Listen to me, I don't even answer my phone. You
think I want you at my door If you're not
bringing food and without texting first, you are taking your
life in your hands. MO, that's your run or report
a little short this week? You say, taking life and
own hands.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Did I ever tell you the story where I had
about a two hour conversation with Divine at the House
of Blues. The lasted a whole two hours. It was
only talking, That's why I see, okay. But I was
there for some sort of music industry event as she
was as well. We were both at the bar, and
I was, I guess one of the few people who
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recognized her readily recognized her, and we both had been drinking,
so I felt very comfortable to ask hers, like, so
tell me what exactly happened, because she and Hugh Grant
were picked up not far from the House of Blues.
It was right off on sunset, and to just really
boil down that two hour conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Into like two minutes, oh please.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
She said that Hugh Grant, of her clients, was one
of the nicest people that she's ever dealt with.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And he was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Really really, really really really into her, and if they
were not interrupted, they had already talked about hooking up again.
Well you like to hear that about it, John, So
evidently she turned him out inside of five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh that's inspiring.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You know. I wondered if this you're you're pretty open
about being a Christian, and I wondered if this movie
was going to offend Christians and I don't think so.
I mean, we still don't have the Taliban in the US.
We can make movies about stuff, and I think if
your faith can't withstand a movie, it's not very robust.
It also got me thinking today about that old quote
that I think was from HP Lovecraft. Correct me, anybody
(27:25):
if I get this wrong, something along the lines of
if a religion has any truth to it, you don't
really need to beat it into your children so much.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know if I would agree with that, but
I will say for my faith personally, and what the
Bible says is about your personal relationship, it's not connected
to what other people think, what other people do. How
whether somepow Christianity is celebrated in the Bible, that's the
stuff that's in the world, and we're taught to be
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in the world, but not of the world.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Sure, I think we're just well into this era where
people have made an advocation of taking offense at anything
they don't care for instead of just avoiding it, and consequently,
artists avoid a lot of material that's like this. So
I think it's a breath of fresh air to have
something like this in a theater.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, I think there's a distinction to be made as
to Christianity and Christians today. Unfortunately, a lot of Christianity
that you see is performative. They use it as a
sign they put on a door on their social media profile,
not how they approach the world and how they try
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to live in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And trust me, I am no means the saint no
means the same.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
We could talk all night about people who put christian
as the first line on their resume but do nothing
to act like christ.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I have many thoughts on that. Well, I'll say it
for you.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Usually it's a sign to say this is who I like,
this is who I identify with for political purposes, and
you can assume then I don't like non Christians. It's
used as a statement for other people. Some people may
call it even virtue signaling. When it's not supposed to
be something that you broadcast. It should be exhibited through
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your behavior.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Jesus instructed people to go pray in the closet and
watch out for the hypocrites, whor do it in public.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And we've gotten further in this than the movie I
think actually goes. But I think if you like wrestling
with this kind of stuff and a little touch of
suspense and horror, this is gonna be a lot of
fun for you.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Do you remember the what was that movie? It was
about the the Child?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I can't remember what it was, but it was a
movie about Christianity and how the world was going to
end and this child had to be.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Born to the omen.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No no, no, no, no no. It was about the
final child and you had to refill the guff. I
can't remember the name of the movie. Was a horror film,
kind of a horror film, but it was based in
the theology of Christianity. Have to find it during the
break because I can't remember the name of it. Oh yeah,
you gotta let me. Yeah, But it was one of
those movies where I don't mind if you take Christian
doctrine to tell a story or a version of how
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we could interpret it in modern day.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, you know the comedian Bill Hicks, the late comedian
Bill Hicks. He had a lot of Christian mysterial sign.
Oh yeah, I have seen that, yeah, the seventh Sign.
Bill Hicks did some material that made some people in
the audience mad, and he and they followed him outside
and they were going to beat him up. And he says, oh,
you guys are Christians and they go yeah, and he says, well.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Forgive me.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's not wrong. That's all I got. He's not wrong.
It's Late with Bo Kelly can if I am six forty.
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Speaker 3 (30:48):
And How's a Breakdancer?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Once upon a time you might have seen a video
or two pop up on my Instagram And you know,
I really have nothing nice to say about the Australian
break dancing champion Ray Gun. Well, I guess because of
all of the haters like me, all the criticism, all
the negative notoriety Rachel Ray gun Gun has announced that
(31:12):
her professional breakdancing career, I'll put it in air quotes,
is over. To be fair, I never competed in the Olympics.
She did, coming in dead last and not grunnering one point.
But her career is coming to an end. And you know,
she went viral for her strange breakdancing and her kangaroo
(31:36):
hopping and rolling around on the ground, and she became
a viral sensation. And while she says she still breaks,
she's not going to compete any more. On Australia's two
Day FM the Jimmy and Nath Show, thirty seven year
old Gun said she only breaks at home with her
partner as it's become really difficult for her to do out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
What do you mean difficult to do?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Is? What else are you doing? I only break it
home now she's an icon. Now you can't just go
and break places when you're an icon.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Like that quote, dancing is.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So much fun and it makes you feel good, and
I don't think people should feel crap about, you know,
the way that they dance.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
What does that mean? She's saying dancing? No one's watching
and she says, you shouldn't feel bad like, oh, that's
a T shirt model, you know, dancing no one's watching,
and it doesn't matter if you have no rhythm and
you're bad and you look like you're being electrocuted.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Just do it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was really upsetting because I felt like I just
didn't have any control over how people saw me or
who I was. And she blamed the negative perception of
her on the internet. Well, who's the internet? Wow, I'm
blaming the internet the whole thing, the whole time, everywhere,
(32:56):
and the unexpected level of publicity it had led to
reasons behind her decision to stop competing. But that was
the whole point. That's the whole point of going to
the Olympics. You knew you weren't good enough to win.
You had no business being there.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Wait, she thought that she was going to do that
thing that she did on the world stage for all
to see, and we were supposed to not criticize it
because it was the thing that she did.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's not break dancing. Waiting.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
She did say one time, quote, I've heard some of
you think you can do better than me. Really, let's
find out, shall we. I wish she would have called
me out. I would have taken that challenge in a heartbeat.
I would have been Bobby Riggs to her, Margaret Court.
I don't make a lot, but I'd pay to see that.
Oh yeah, that would be one I would turn into
a reality show. I would actually start stretching and practicing again.
(33:52):
But she's I'm gonna miss my chance. She's going to
retire like Rocky before cluver Lane could get to her
to duck you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That's right, hey woman. Only people who've seen the movie
know that. Only people who've seen Rocky three will get that.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And the Grammy nominations for twenty twenty five were announced today.
There is only one story in a news sense, connected
to these Grammys.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, Taylor Swift got some nominations.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yes, there's all sorts of young talent which is going
to be featured in Younger people will love seeing. I
don't know who is the Chapel Roone, Chappelle Rowan. How
do you pronounce these young artist names anyhow? Well, I
think it's Chapel Roone, but I don't know. If you
heard my seven o'clock newscast, I couldn't. I couldn't pronounce
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any of the names.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm convinced that they were all just made up.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Charlie, Yeah, okay, it sounds like chaperone. They need to
learn how to themselves better.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It's a type of horse anyhow. The only story is Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Not that she has eleven nominations, No, that's not the story.
Not that she is the all time leader in nominations.
That's not the story. But I will say this, the
reason that she's the all time leader in nominations is
largely connected to the fact, but there are more categories now.
When I worked at the Grammy's you only had like
(01:27):
one R and B category, Now like five. You know,
progressive R and B R and B album, you know
rap album with R and B flavor, some stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's just they have a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Bunch of categories, far more than when I was working there.
There are more opportunities for Beyonce to be nominated. The
only story is if she were to win Album of
the Year, not if she were to lose, because she's
always lost Album of the year. She's never one Album
of the year. We talked about this last year right
(01:59):
about this time, and we said that Beyonce and her
husband Jay Z have said very publicly how they want
Beyonce to win Album of the Year. And when she
dropped this country album, it was clear, Oh, she's going
for Album of the year. She's trying to appeal to
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a music buying bass, which is very different from either
hip hop or R and B. And yes, it received
a lot of radio airplay on country stations, and we
told you how that was. It was not organic, but
that's just the business. We told you how she was
not snubbed by the CMAS, but how that process works.
(02:46):
She did not get any CMA nominations or awards. But ultimately,
this was always about the Grammys from day one. This
was about positioning herself to best have a chance at
winning that elusive Album of the Year.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Here's something else you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Should notice when she won, excuse me, when she garnered
eleven different nominations. If you know how the Grammy process works, Yes,
it's industry professionals voting for industry professionals, but it's almost
like a club where you have these clicks inside of
the Grammys, people who are either associates of Beyonce professionally
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or the people who work at Beyonce's record label, people
who qualify to be members, and they vote for Beyonce
across the board. Just because she could come out with
Mary had a little Lamb a cappella, they would vote
that as well.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So this is a year that Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Clearly, clearly has marshaled her troops, got everyone together, and
they have a cohesive plan to get Beyonce Album of
the Year.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That is the only story for these Grammys.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Do you think even with all this, because there's a
lot of stiff competition do you think that she can
get Album of the Year in the same year where
you have so many pop acts you're going for album
of the Year because Album of the Year typically goes
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to pop artists.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That's right, and I'll tell you why this is. Put
it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
If it's not going to be this year, it will
never be a year. If you look at who else
is in the category. New Blue Sun, which is an
album by Andree three thousand, one of the members of Outcasts.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's a flute album. There's no way that that's gonna win.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Andree three thousand does not even have the profile within
the Grammys that Beyonce does, so he's not winning. They're
Short and Sweet by Sabrina Carpenter. That's a banger. That's
the bad songs on the radio all day long, right.
Brat by Charlie XCX. That is competition. That's competition. But
outside of that, Jesse Volume four by Jacob Callier whatever,
(05:10):
never Heard, No not winning, hit Me Hard and Soft.
Billie Eilish, No, it's not Billy's year, not bill Ye bill,
I can see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're only
talking about one of three that is winnable. That's doable.
Sabrina Carpenter had a huge will year, as did Charlie XCX.
(05:32):
This is her last best chance. When I say last
best chance, Beyonce is what forty two.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Easily she's aging out of the album of the year demographic.
This is probably her last chance. And you and I
were talking about this off air, Twala. It's not her
best music, not even by long shot.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Look, I'm not trying to get the be Hive a buzzin,
but I listen to it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I listened to it. The Hive f the Hive.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Mo Kelly said, Sharp said that, mo Kelly said that.
I listened to it. And unfortunately, Look, this is no
slight against her. There is no denying her talent. She
is stellar when it comes to singing, performing all that.
She's the total package. But this to me, in listening
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and trying to give it a chance and say, let
me listen this, I want to hear what this has,
I did not hear anything that I thought was stellar. Conversely,
when Kanye West dropped his gospel album and a lot
of people are like the hell is going on here?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I listened to that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
All the controversy that Kanye West kicks up, and I
was like, Wow, there are some really sincere solid records
on this album. May not have been, but there's some
stuff that I'm like, I like this and I don't
have anything against country. I like a hit. I like
a hit record, and that was your damn job to
identify hit. That's but I did, and I did not
(07:01):
hear anything that I said wasn't out the box hit.
There just wasn't, in my professional opinion, someone who was
to sit and listen to this stuff and try to
say this is an outright banger, let's go with it. No,
I get the marketing machine that went behind uh, Texas
hold Him. I get all that. I understand why you
would think. It's just that wasn't out of control hit. No,
(07:24):
it wasn't out of control marketing machine.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, we might have to change some of our show
tonight because FOK reporter Neil Savedra just hit me and
he said that as in Texas hold Him. I assume
he's referring to that is a great song, period. Neil Savedra,
(07:48):
You're wrong. And if I didn't like you as a person,
I call you a bunch of names.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's Lucky. I love him. But Neil, you're known for food,
not music, right, Okay, if we were.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Talking about pizza pasta, that'd be different.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You would know something about that. You know something about
food music.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I think we need to reach out to Neil Savager
and see what the hell he's thinking about. But I
will say this, I listened to that whole country album,
and I'm not putting in quotation marks. I think it
qualified as a country album. But there was nothing special
about that album top to bottom. For me, it was
a novelty record. And if you take Beyonce's name off
(08:33):
of it and put any other country artist's name on it,
no one would have given it a second listen all right?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I got an idea new segment starting next week called
ask a Cracker.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We mean like Ritz s a teen? Nah? No, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't know if you knew this, but during grad
school I spent some time as a bartender and a
great big country nightclub where I had to wear a
denim shirt and a string tie.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You're adding now another job to history.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah it was. It was priceless. I wouldn't trade it
for anything. I can tell you as a connoisseur of
this awful country music that compared to the stuff we
had to listen to. It's not bad. No, no one's
saying it's bad. It's fine. It's not album of the
year worthy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The body of work of that country album is for me,
nothing special.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
But you know, this is the same conversation that you
just had and may not realize about the legacy admissions
to the schools.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
None of this is about merit, Okay, But all.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm saying is one the legacy school admissions. What we
were talking about not in the legacy but the stuff
that the donations. Right, that's fraud. Okay, that's one thing. Okay, yeah,
make that distinct. But it's all about money. Always follow
the advice of Deep Throat in the Parking Garage. Follow
the money that was dark.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But no, yes, it is all about money.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But I can authoritatively speak on it from a musicology standpoint,
and I can use other albums of the year as
a reference point and comparison point. This album on its
own is nothing special. Historically, you usually could point to
two or three songs that stood out either on radio
(10:25):
or within sales, that were stellar.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Steller and I can tell you this because Kiss FM, right,
upstairs that was playing Beyonce's record out of Control righteously
so because there was a lot of hype behind it
and there are a lot of requests for it and
things like that. Beyonce's music has almost all but faded
on Kiss and the music you hear most on Kiss
(10:52):
the number one pop station in the country is Chapel Rowan,
and you hear the other little Girl that Charlie, Charlie
and another one Charlie and Cracker.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I mean, look, if you want to put yourself out,
I'm with Mark Runner, I'm with him. I do not
condone the use of such turn withdraw with language. We
gotta go to break.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
We'll see if we can hunt down Nils of Vagre
so he can tell us why he's wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In just a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
kf I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Last sep we were talking about the Grammys and I said,
there's only one story. It's Beyonce and whether she wins
Album of the Year. I don't think that this album,
this country album, is all that great. I think her
Lemonade album is something that I listened to rather. You
know now, and then not frequently. But I think it's
much better musically than this country album. It's a fine
(11:55):
whatever country entry. I just don't think it's special. With
the exception of the name of the artist on the project, Beyonce,
Nil Savadra, who knows a lot about food and nothing
about black people or music, wants to come on now
and tell me how I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Hi, Neil, nothing about what? Yeah, well, go to Compton.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Who's there?
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Your shade or mine? Oh, it's your shade. That's why
I don't go to Compton anymore. No, I know nothing
about music. I really don't. It's not my jam. But
I do like old school country, the older school you know,
the stuff that is, you know, rebellious and has attitude
to it. But how can you say that Texas Hold
(12:49):
Them isn't a great song unto itself, I'm not talking
about the album, Okay, put it this way, Chase the
b song has a great hook, it's super catchy, and
it's it's fun to listen too. And I'm not a
huge Beyonce fan or anything. I appreciate her talent and
her abilities. I just don't think they make them like
they used to, and they sing most musicians sound like
(13:13):
machines factories.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Now I'll give I like her take on the country genre.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Texas Hold Him has a heavy beat bassline. You can't
argue with her bon a few days being from Texas.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't begrudge what she did, and I don't question
her sincerity in doing this or even knowledge of the genre.
I'm just saying I wasn't moved by Jolene. What we
just heard is.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
No I think I think. I don't think that's a
great rendition of Jolene. But it was to me that
Texas Hold Him is a good song.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But a good song by itself does not wait too
album of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Is he just tag team wallet in.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You you knocked at the door just two minutes, you
jumped into the ring in the middle.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Of chext it.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
It's a good song, the good song does not make
for a good album, nor does it make for hour think.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
About the album.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's what we're talking about, talking about album of the year. Well,
we're not talking it's not up for record.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I mean, there's so much violence in Inglewood, you two.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
I lived just outside of Inglewood, not outside enough. That's
why your ass has never been to my house. Oh yeah, no,
that's not true. My ass has been the rest of
me that doesn't want to come.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You were invited, you just decided not to show up. No,
you know why, Well that's for you to say, not
for me to say. Yeah, I'm afraid of black people.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Look, there's no excuse, uh this fourth of July for
you to bring your ass on and crown me winter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Well, I know why Toula is mad because he thought
I was going to play favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Okay, I thought I thought be fair context context for people.
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Every Fourth of July, I do the Fourth of July
Show from Chateau Lem and we have an annual dessert
baking competition. Twala has always come in like second place
every single year, He's alleging. Shenanigan's FOURK reporter Neil Savagia
was supposed to be our honorary guest guest judge this year.
(15:26):
He bowed out at the last second because he, you know,
didn't want to come to the darker side of the city.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know, I don't know. I try to take
it personally. It just felt my house too. You don't
know how dark it is over here. No, actually, I have.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Just not not.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was just driving by.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
I'm missing some Amazon packages. That was me ring out, Hey,
that's Kelly, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All I'm saying is I've listened to at least parts
of every every single Beyonce album, and yes, award shows
routinely get the award wrong. Like you have a Denzel
Washington who win an Oscar for Training Day, but his
best work was like Malcolm X or Ruben Hurricane Carter.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I know how award shows never get it right.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But if you take the award out of it and
look at this body of work for what it is,
it's not impressive to me, and it's not impressive in
the larger discography of Beyonce. That's all I'm saying. It
seemed like a tool specifically engineered to win Album of
the Year. She couldn't do an R and B album
and win Album the Year. She's done that her whole
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career and can't win.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
So this clearly was to achieve that and to keep
her from going pop and really alienating her as right,
and again, this is coming from someone who here in
the city of Angels in southern California, proper is responsible
for breaking pretty much every single Deathty Child and Beyonce
(17:03):
song that you know prior to Prior to two thousand
and eight, I had a big hand in helping select
those hit records. So when I listened to Beyonce and
I listen to music period, I'm not listening as a
just pure music kind of sour. I'm listening with those
programming ears, like, is there anything that stands out? Is
(17:24):
there anything that I think outside of us playing it
in that programming repetition that will get audiences to grab
onto it and latch onto it. And unfortunately, her records
and researchers shown have a high burn. There is not
a lot of lasting appeal to this album. It was
hot out the gate and that's about it. But it's
(17:45):
not something you're gonna go back to and listen to
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
In music terminology, it's not a recurrent. It's not something
that radio stations will continue to play because they know
their listenership appreciates the record. It's gone from the airwaves
for the most part, which says to me they put
a lot of money behind it to promote it, to
have radio stations play it, But the listeners really weren't
asking for it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
They're not looking for it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So as far as I'm concerned, it's a it's a
contrived success.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, why don't.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
We end on a positive note and something we can
agree on That Joker too was a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I was going to promote your appearance tomorrow, but since
you're trying to clown us with the whole Joker two thing.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
No, your buttons, I know your buttons, poke, poke poke?
Why you gotta say it so sensually? I don't know
those buttons. That's between you and your God. Oh yeah,
why you got to bring it into it?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I know your buttons, maybe the mo buttons. Okay, I'm
like really really uncomfortable right now? Are you all? Are
you super comfortable? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Hey, tell us real quick about your appearance small Oh
thanks man. Bill Handle and I are broadcasting live from
Wild Fork in Laguna, ne Gal and we're going to
be hanging out from two to five. We'll do the
Forkport live. We'll be grilling out there. It's if you
haven't been to a Wild Fork Foods location.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think we have.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Around ten or so, maybe a little bit more here
in the Southland, but they're great. They are great places.
We'll have Big Green Egg out there. We'll have some
folks grilling and including my buddy Wing Lamb from Wahoo's
Fish Tacos. We'll have Craig the Egg, Craig Fritz from
Big Green Egg out there grilling. It'll be a good time.
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We're even giving away a Mini Max Big Green Egg.
I got to be present to win, and it'll it'll
just be fun. It's like just an opportunity to hang
out listeners, give some things away and talk about Thanksgiving
and grilling. All right, you're gonna save some food from
me always. All right, that's all I ask. I wish
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you lived closer. That's a hall out, it's a hall. Oh,
it's a hall. It's a hall, a hall and a half.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, but I like you, you know, I considered it
for all of four minutes. I did. Mmm, Hey I
got a run. Yeah you're still wrong, But thank you
for coming on.
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Ge last time I text you during the show, Hey,
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Speaker 7 (20:41):
A M six.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Forty pontificates about pop culture, ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okaf, I am six forty. Now it's time for the
Mark Runner Report. I like the way you said that.
Tonight we're talking about Heretic. Remember back when Hugh Grant
was a big star and he got caught with a
hooker and it derailed his career and he had to
go on Jay Leno's show to be scolded, and Leno,
speaking as the conscience of America, asked him what he
(21:26):
was thinking. Try to imagine that happening now, Okay, go ah, yeah, yeah,
that's that's that's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He'd be scolded for not making a video of it.
He might be offered a cabinet position. Okay, that's real life. Yeah,
you're right. Well, Hugh Grant's still a star. He pops
up in a lot of guy Ritchie stuff, and he
was a decent mister Waverley and that problematic man from
Uncle movie. And he's the main attraction in Heretic, which
(22:00):
is an uncomfortable and provocative little thriller. Here's a little
bit of the trailer.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Hi, good afternoon, ma'm are you interested in learning about
our savior, Jesus Price hid afternoon?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Are your name is Sister Barnes?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And oh my.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Gosh, are you interested in learning more about the Church
of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Come on it.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
We can't come in side and lets another woman is present.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
My wife is home. Does that come crazy? You like pie?
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I can tell that you are a very spiritually curious person.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it is good to be religious, to find
your faith in a doctrine. You actually believe.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Our work here is done.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I will go and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Check on the pot side.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
We're gonna skip a little head in the trailer here
because it's largely visual and this is radio.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
We just need to go home.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I won't keep you if you wish to leave, but
I want you to choose which door to go through
based on your faith.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
What does this have to do with us leaving everything studied?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
It will make your puts sleep faster, It may even
make you want to die.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And here's the basics. Two young Mormon women are out
trying to drum up business. I guess they don't call
it that, but you're familiar with it. They go to
homes and knock on doors and spread the word, trying
to make converts, and on a late blustery afternoon, they
wind up at you Grant's house. To be clear, they're
not prostitutes, just mormons. Grant's character is a charming older
guy who listens to their spiel, asks more and more
(23:52):
provocative questions, and it becomes clear that he knows more
about their religion and religion in general than the two
young women do, and that they can can't leave. The
nice man proceeds to put the increasingly terrified girls through
an ordeal, and without revealing too much, I'll tell you
it involves asking them questions that test their religious beliefs,
then making choices, and their survival depends on the choices.
(24:14):
It's a talking movie for sure, no explosions, no gunfights,
no car chases, but it's pretty intriguing talk and you
don't know where it's headed. The acting, including the girls,
holds your attention. It is fun to watch Hugh Grant
against type as a weirdo, and the vibes and atmosphere
of unease and read or effective, along with some filmmaking
that's skillful enough that you don't mind spending nearly all
(24:35):
the movie in one place, his house. Some people might
argue the dialogue and get a little too much like
those tedious late night dorm talks that are fueled by
whatever you got in the room there. But I don't
think it ever quite crosses that line. And I have
a philosophy degree, so I know some bs talk when
I hear it. The writer directors are Scott beck and
Brian Woods from a Quiet Place sixty five. You remember
(24:56):
that dinosaur movie Boogeyman, all entertaining stuff. If not in
instant classics, these guys haven't achieved the status of Hey,
the new Becken Woods movies up. But it might happen,
and it might come the day when you get tickets
as soon as you hear they've got something out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
This is a pretty good movie.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I like movies like this that combine a thriller with
kicking around some provocative observations about religion. And you know,
if the US is going to become more and more
of a theocracy, to the eternal horror of our founders,
the more of this kind of stuff the better. Also,
we shouldn't forget the main takeaway here. If you go
to someone's door to bug them about your religion or
anything else you really deserve. Whatever the hell happens to you,
(25:37):
Listen to me, I don't even answer my phone. You
think I want you at my door If you're not
bringing food and without texting first, you are taking your
life in your hands. MO, that's your run or report
a little short this week? You say, taking life and
own hands.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Did I ever tell you the story where I had
about a two hour conversation with Divine at the House
of Blues. The lasted a whole two hours. It was
only talking, That's why I see, okay. But I was
there for some sort of music industry event as she
was as well. We were both at the bar, and
I was, I guess one of the few people who
(26:16):
recognized her readily recognized her, and we both had been drinking,
so I felt very comfortable to ask hers, like, so
tell me what exactly happened, because she and Hugh Grant
were picked up not far from the House of Blues.
It was right off on sunset, and to just really
boil down that two hour conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Into like two minutes, oh please.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
She said that Hugh Grant, of her clients, was one
of the nicest people that she's ever dealt with.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And he was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Really really, really really really into her, and if they
were not interrupted, they had already talked about hooking up again.
Well you like to hear that about it, John, So
evidently she turned him out inside of five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh that's inspiring.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You know. I wondered if this you're you're pretty open
about being a Christian, and I wondered if this movie
was going to offend Christians and I don't think so.
I mean, we still don't have the Taliban in the US.
We can make movies about stuff, and I think if
your faith can't withstand a movie, it's not very robust.
It also got me thinking today about that old quote
that I think was from HP Lovecraft. Correct me, anybody
(27:25):
if I get this wrong, something along the lines of
if a religion has any truth to it, you don't
really need to beat it into your children so much.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know if I would agree with that, but
I will say for my faith personally, and what the
Bible says is about your personal relationship, it's not connected
to what other people think, what other people do. How
whether somepow Christianity is celebrated in the Bible, that's the
stuff that's in the world, and we're taught to be
(27:58):
in the world, but not of the world.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Sure, I think we're just well into this era where
people have made an advocation of taking offense at anything
they don't care for instead of just avoiding it, and consequently,
artists avoid a lot of material that's like this. So
I think it's a breath of fresh air to have
something like this in a theater.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, I think there's a distinction to be made as
to Christianity and Christians today. Unfortunately, a lot of Christianity
that you see is performative. They use it as a
sign they put on a door on their social media profile,
not how they approach the world and how they try
(28:38):
to live in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And trust me, I am no means the saint no
means the same.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
We could talk all night about people who put christian
as the first line on their resume but do nothing
to act like christ.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I have many thoughts on that. Well, I'll say it
for you.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Usually it's a sign to say this is who I like,
this is who I identify with for political purposes, and
you can assume then I don't like non Christians. It's
used as a statement for other people. Some people may
call it even virtue signaling. When it's not supposed to
be something that you broadcast. It should be exhibited through
(29:15):
your behavior.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Jesus instructed people to go pray in the closet and
watch out for the hypocrites, whor do it in public.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And we've gotten further in this than the movie I
think actually goes. But I think if you like wrestling
with this kind of stuff and a little touch of
suspense and horror, this is gonna be a lot of
fun for you.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Do you remember the what was that movie? It was
about the the Child?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I can't remember what it was, but it was a
movie about Christianity and how the world was going to
end and this child had to be.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Born to the omen.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No no, no, no, no no. It was about the
final child and you had to refill the guff. I
can't remember the name of the movie. Was a horror film,
kind of a horror film, but it was based in
the theology of Christianity. Have to find it during the
break because I can't remember the name of it. Oh yeah,
you gotta let me. Yeah, But it was one of
those movies where I don't mind if you take Christian
doctrine to tell a story or a version of how
(30:07):
we could interpret it in modern day.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, you know the comedian Bill Hicks, the late comedian
Bill Hicks. He had a lot of Christian mysterial sign.
Oh yeah, I have seen that, yeah, the seventh Sign.
Bill Hicks did some material that made some people in
the audience mad, and he and they followed him outside
and they were going to beat him up. And he says, oh,
you guys are Christians and they go yeah, and he says, well.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Forgive me.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's not wrong. That's all I got. He's not wrong.
It's Late with Bo Kelly can if I am six forty.
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Speaker 3 (30:48):
And How's a Breakdancer?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Once upon a time you might have seen a video
or two pop up on my Instagram And you know,
I really have nothing nice to say about the Australian
break dancing champion Ray Gun. Well, I guess because of
all of the haters like me, all the criticism, all
the negative notoriety Rachel Ray gun Gun has announced that
(31:12):
her professional breakdancing career, I'll put it in air quotes,
is over. To be fair, I never competed in the Olympics.
She did, coming in dead last and not grunnering one point.
But her career is coming to an end. And you know,
she went viral for her strange breakdancing and her kangaroo
(31:36):
hopping and rolling around on the ground, and she became
a viral sensation. And while she says she still breaks,
she's not going to compete any more. On Australia's two
Day FM the Jimmy and Nath Show, thirty seven year
old Gun said she only breaks at home with her
partner as it's become really difficult for her to do out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
What do you mean difficult to do?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Is? What else are you doing? I only break it
home now she's an icon. Now you can't just go
and break places when you're an icon.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Like that quote, dancing is.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So much fun and it makes you feel good, and
I don't think people should feel crap about, you know,
the way that they dance.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
What does that mean? She's saying dancing? No one's watching
and she says, you shouldn't feel bad like, oh, that's
a T shirt model, you know, dancing no one's watching,
and it doesn't matter if you have no rhythm and
you're bad and you look like you're being electrocuted.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Just do it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was really upsetting because I felt like I just
didn't have any control over how people saw me or
who I was. And she blamed the negative perception of
her on the internet. Well, who's the internet? Wow, I'm
blaming the internet the whole thing, the whole time, everywhere,
(32:56):
and the unexpected level of publicity it had led to
reasons behind her decision to stop competing. But that was
the whole point. That's the whole point of going to
the Olympics. You knew you weren't good enough to win.
You had no business being there.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Wait, she thought that she was going to do that
thing that she did on the world stage for all
to see, and we were supposed to not criticize it
because it was the thing that she did.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's not break dancing. Waiting.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
She did say one time, quote, I've heard some of
you think you can do better than me. Really, let's
find out, shall we. I wish she would have called
me out. I would have taken that challenge in a heartbeat.
I would have been Bobby Riggs to her, Margaret Court.
I don't make a lot, but I'd pay to see that.
Oh yeah, that would be one I would turn into
a reality show. I would actually start stretching and practicing again.
(33:52):
But she's I'm gonna miss my chance. She's going to
retire like Rocky before cluver Lane could get to her
to duck you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That's right, hey woman. Only people who've seen the movie
know that. Only people who've seen Rocky three will get that.
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